Saturday, July 20th 2013 - 06:34 UTC

Falkland Islands brought into the IMF-siding-with-Argentina controversy

The IMF decision to side with Argentina in its dispute with the US hedge funds has triggered strong criticism in the UK and the issue was brought up in Parliament, according to a piece in the Daily and Sunday Express under the heading: “The British cash cow: Fury as UK money helps Argentina fight £66bn debt”.

MPs Pritchard and Jackson want to know why UK taxpayers should help a country that tries to strangle the Falklands’ economy (Pic BBC)

Fury because it has emerged that at the end of the day UK taxpayers money is being used to help Argentina default on its debt but also because the Argentine government of President Cristina Fernandez is trying to strangle the Falkland Islands economy.

In effect, “Britain has committed £29billion to the IMF, which plays a key role in trying to keep the global economy afloat. The cash is available for use in loans” and IMF head Christine Lagarde anticipated this week the multilateral organization wants to petition the US Supreme Court to overrun a lower court’s ruling that Argentina must pay all bond holders.

Precisely this led Members of Parliament to question why British taxpayers should help Argentina while the government of President Cristina Fernandez bans cruise ships if they have visited the Falklands and opposes oil exploration off the islands.

Tory MP Mark Pritchard said: “UK taxpayers should not be left indirectly paying for Argentine debt. US Courts need to uphold the law, and ensure defaulters pay their debts.”

Fellow Tory Stuart Jackson said: “It is the view of the British public and more importantly of the Falkland Islanders that they are British and wish to remain so.

“They would think giving money to an organisation which supports something which is not in British interests is peculiar. The Foreign Secretary and the Chancellor of the Exchequer need to look at this funding and seek reassurances from the IMF.”

The IMF claims a long litigation could have worldwide implications for governments trying to reduce their debts. There was no immediate reaction from the UK Treasury.

Finally the Daily Express says that a decision on the IMF stance over Argentina’s debts will be taken by its board, which is made up of representatives of its member states.


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1 Redrow (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 07:49 am Report abuse
If Argentina has so little shame or self-worth to accept charity from a country it hates then go right ahead. My issue is not whether we lend to Argentina to help it keep its pensioners from freezing or starving to death, my issue is whether having borrowed against my childrens' future to loan them this money - how do we make sure we ever get it back again? How soon before we hear sovereignty arguments justifying non-repayment. If CDK wants the money then let her show some humility. Britain was diminished in the 70s by needing a loan but we always pay our debts and got strong again because companies knew they could do business here.
2 Joe Bloggs (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 07:59 am Report abuse
Redrow, the answer to your question is simple. You'll never get that money back. You should do all you can to support this campaign to stop giving money to a government that is trying to inflict so much damage to the owners of the hands that are trying to feed it. They are more deluded than I thought if they think they'll get away with it for much longer.

MPs Pritchard and Jackson's questions are fully understandable.
3 yankeeboy (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 11:31 am Report abuse
With the USA, UK, Japan, Spain and Germany voting against any new loans and disbursements from the Int'l banks the noose is getting tighter and tighter.
With all that skin on her neck it may take a longer than usual to feel it tho.
4 nigelpwsmith (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 11:32 am Report abuse
It's counter-productive to reward bad behaviour. Argentina defaults on their debts so regularly, that they now believe it is their God-given right to take money that is loaned to them and never pay it back.

The only way you can break the cycle of default is to give the same treatment that most heroin-junkies end up with - cold turkey.

Argentina needs to suffer in order that they can learn what not to do. That they should not elect criminal politicians, they should not let the mafia ruin their lives, that they should not antagonise their neighbours and they should instead cooperate so they can benefit from the rewards.

Whilst the Mad Bitch is in power, the Argentine people will get poorer, their country will get weaker and they will be humiliated by other nations.

It's in the interests of all IMF lenders to ensure that NO loans are made to Argentina and that they are compelled to pay back ALL their debts in full, before any future loans are made.

We should not even give them humanitarian aid. They need shock-therapy to bring them back to their senses. If the ordinary Argentine people could not eat, the Mad Bitch would not be in power for long.
5 Yuleno (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 11:53 am Report abuse
All this British funding Argentina debt is tenuous rubbish,but it does cause a smile.
6 reality check (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 12:02 pm Report abuse
Well looks like the tenuous rubbish is coming to an end, not before time either!
7 Heisenbergcontext (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 12:21 pm Report abuse
Actually Argentina recently deposited U.S.$400Million with the I.M.F.
Draw your own conclusions on their motives ( pun intended ). I'm sure Yankeeboy will have an opinion on that particular subject.

Obviously that figure is not remotely in the same vicinity ( or even postcode ) as 29BillionSterling.
8 Vestige (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 12:25 pm Report abuse
Love it.
9 yankeeboy (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 12:34 pm Report abuse
7. If I remember correctly they it allows them more drawing rights. It is irrelevant because I don't see the IMF accepting the new Indec algorithm nor Argentina restating the last decade of GDP and Inflation data by eom Sept. before Arg undergoes final review before suspension.
10 Heisenbergcontext (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 12:55 pm Report abuse
Yes, it does give them the possibility of drawing a much larger amount. The general consensus, if I recall correctly, was that it was a sign of how perilous their short-term outlook really was.
11 ChrisR (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 01:08 pm Report abuse
I brought my children up with a very simple regime: if you are naughty, if you scream at your mother (they NEVER did it to me) then you get punished. If you do it again you get a slap on one leg, etc., etc. Always followed by a cuddle to reinforce the message that when they are good they get a cuddle and we DID still love them.

Result: as adults, my children can go any anywhere and be welcomed. They have VERY good jobs and their own houses.

This basic method of punishment and reward has yet to be learnt by the Peronistas and I doubt that it ever will.

Peronistas are demonstrably the parasites infesting the Body Politic in Argentina and for that reason alone there is very little hope for the country in general.
12 yankeeboy (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 01:13 pm Report abuse
The USA plays the long game, Argentina the short game. USA has given Argentina enough rope to hang themselves and it seems they are happy to take that rope.
My guess is by eoy the holdout issue will be settled in the courts, Argentina will default, then soon afterwards a huge peso devaluation will occur and hyperinflation will ensue.
Everyone can see the ending but the Peronistas
Not long now
13 DanyBerger (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 01:28 pm Report abuse
I love really how ignorant UK politicians lie and make believe British to be rescuing the world and acting as if they would be the owners.

Let’s see Argentina is among top 20 contributors to IMF with U$s 3.5 billions that all together represent the 70% of IMF funding.

While UK contributes with only just U$s 16.1 billions.

The bigger contributors to IMF are USA with U$s 63,1 billions, Japan with $21,9 billions and Germany with U$s 21,8

The statement that UK taxpayer money is used to help Argentina is a big lie.
In fact Argentina, Brazil, Venezuela, China, India, Mexico, Chile, etc , taxpayers money is being used to save the mess in Europe to save British, German, French, etc banks to don’t go burst by the public debt crisis (PIIGS).
Because all are in the mess like UK, France, Germany, etc. that are really the big PIGS that will go belly up if the mess widespread across Europe.

So IMF is trying to save his own skin because if the court rules against Argentina again all restructuring debt in Europe will be jeopardise and banks will lose a lot of money.

That simple,

UK cannot help it self and less can help others as cannot afford to pay its own debt the U$s16 billion to IMF is not UK generosity. Otherwise is the Quota that they have to pay as Argentina and all members to be part of the IMF club to have influence in IMF.

That Quotas provide votes in IMF board and UK only represents only 4% power voting while Argentina close to 1%. So lets say that without 16% of Obama voting power nothing is done because Argentina just with Brazil, Venezuela, and Mexico for example invalidates UK power voting.

So if I would be Argentina I will pull out from IMF and convince all Latam and emerging countries to do so.

Then I will sit with a lot of pop corn in front of the telly to see how powerful UK go through the drains with it financial sector together with the rest of Europe. We need sanitation like happen in Latam after all were burst.

Don’t you think so?
14 Faz (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 01:51 pm Report abuse
Duny Beggar,

You will be burst again soon! Hyperinflation, revolution and a military junta just around the corner. And after all your financial misdeeds No One will bale you out. Here in the South of England things are fine we have a lovely summer, and a green and pleasant land. We don't need bars on our windows, we don't have piles of rubbish on every corner, corrupt politicians and police, propaganda posters everywhere, mafia, a sinking currency, raging inflation and mass unemployment like you do.

Enjoy it Duny.....
15 reality check (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 02:03 pm Report abuse
Close to 1% of the voting power.

Since when has 0.3033333333 been close to 1?

When I was in school 0.3033333333 was closer to 0!
16 Conqueror (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 03:24 pm Report abuse
@13 What strange figures you come out with. There are a couple of ways of looking at this. On the one hand, one can look at a country's actual financial position in the Fund. On the other, one can look at a country's voting rights.
A country's position is determined by the number of SDRs it has available.
At the top of the tree is the United States.
Fund holdings of currency: 28,429.80 million SDRs
Reserve position: 13,690.15 million SDRs

Down a bit is the United Kingdom.
Fund holdings of currency: 7,462.76 million SDRs
Reserve position: 3,275.75 million SDRs

And finally, argieland
Fund holdings of currency: 2,116.92 million SDRs
Reserve position: 0.2 million SDRs

What does this mean in terms of the votes available to members?
The United States has 421,961 votes. 16.75% of the total
The United Kingdom has 108,122 votes. 4.29% of the total
Argieland has 21,908 votes. 0.87% of the total

Just so everyone knows, this data was taken from the IMF site.

So, DB, it seems that your information is a load of bullshit. You might have got a clue when you said, quote:
“Let’s see Argentina is among top 20 contributors to IMF with U$s 3.5 billions that all together represent the 70% of IMF funding.

While UK contributes with only just U$s 16.1 billions.”
Just look at that! Your own words say that the UK contributes 4.6 times as much as argieland. And just a bit further on:
“That Quotas provide votes in IMF board and UK only represents only 4% power voting while Argentina close to 1%.”
Let's go with the possible options. You're drunk, stupid or mentally deranged!
17 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 03:46 pm Report abuse
Britain and their toilet paper....or peanuts.
Economy growing and receiving aid from an economy in decline.

“India tells Britain: We don't want your aid
India’s Finance Minister has said that his country “does not require” British aid, describing it as “peanuts”.
But officials at DFID, Britain’s Department for International Development, told the Indians that cancelling the programme would cause “grave political embarrassment” to Britain”
18 CaptainSilver (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 03:57 pm Report abuse
Marcos Fandango, There's huge poverty in India and plenty of folk need aid. We will make sure none goes to failed nations lead by dictators. So, you won't be getting any. You can blame your incompetent foreign minister for that because the villas resemble Indian shanty towns.
Hard luck, and keep it up with the Big Issue...
19 reality check (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 04:04 pm Report abuse
Telegraph again, still posting on it, from your nice comfortably British home?

Noted the article said, “tried to block.”

Also noticed that £70 million of it simply disappeared!

Seems your countrymen back home and some Indians have a lot in common?
20 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 04:11 pm Report abuse
18 CaptainSparrow

There's huge poverty in central London as well.
Soup kitchens anyone?
21 reality check (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 04:22 pm Report abuse
Argentinian soup kitchens anyone?
22 José Malvinero (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 04:24 pm Report abuse
“It is the view of the British public and more importantly of the Falkland Islanders that they are British and wish to remain so.“

Rare it would be that remain British, they wish stop to remain so.
As if a Frenchman or a Chilean would be stop being French and Chilean. But that's not the point and nobody asked kelpers to stop being British. What they ridiculously “voted” (without any value), is if that the territory where they live, their sovereignty, is not transferred to “another country”, which is another thing.
23 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 04:26 pm Report abuse
Bloody hell! Our soups look like real soup...I can say the same about your thing you call “soup”
24 Islander1 (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 04:48 pm Report abuse
DumbBuggur - do please list to me the IMF Loans that UK has had and defaulted on and not repaid?
You are right there is still a mess in Euro Europe- UK has not had to borrow any from any International Fund - indeed it loaned some to Ireland! Some UK banks were in amess of their own making- Uk Govt bailed them out - not anybody overseas.
Do try and get basic facts straight first time- it makes you look a lot less of an idiot.

Jose - well as said before- you are clearly scared about that vote in March!!!!!!!!!!!!!
25 agent999 (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 04:55 pm Report abuse
DannyBerger is working part time for INDEC.

“Live and work in one of the most exciting cities in South America. Working at a soup kitchen will give volunteers unique insight into the real effects of economic depression.”
26 A_V0ice (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 05:23 pm Report abuse
27 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 05:51 pm Report abuse
“We have something for everyone: whether you want to teach in Ghana, work in an orphanage in Nepal, animal rescue in the rainforest of Ecuador, medical clinic in South India, or study in a university in Buenos Aires”
28 yankeeboy (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 06:01 pm Report abuse
It almost seems like they're comparing an orphanage in one of the poorest most remote places in the world to UBA.
Well on 2nd thought..
29 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 06:12 pm Report abuse
Tent city USA
30 Briton (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 06:19 pm Report abuse
IMF head Christine Lagarde= FRENCH, say know more,
Are desperate to give money to Argentina,

Interestingly, the British, could withdraw our bit,
But they won’t, so could the rest, but they won’t,

Sadly if you like it or not, we live in a greedy corrupt and incompetent world,
And it’s all about MONEY – cash , dosh , bread , ect,

Remember we still have not stopped cash to India, and this despite the insult , and the complaint from our government and the people, and we still give it,

So no actual chance of stopping money to Argentina then.
Says a lot abt good advice of lending people money, when they already have bad debts and then refuse to pay up…

just a thoughts guys==thats 50 quid please lol
31 reality check (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 06:21 pm Report abuse
Better class of accommodation?
32 Steve-33-uk (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 06:24 pm Report abuse
'Campaign launched in Catamarca “Peoples of Malvinas”
Mera, lieutenant governor, made the activity during the Fiesta Nacional del Poncho. The actor Victor Laplace was present. -
The deputy governor of Catamarca, Dalmatius Mera , legislators, officials and youth activists in the province yesterday presented the One Million Signatures Campaign “Malvinas Peoples” in the traditional National Poncho Festival , held at the show of that capital. Mera said in Space Bicentennial Malvinas “does not need any other reason to defend because they are Argentine, part of our lives, history, heart, present and future.” He said hundreds of fighters that land lying in Argentina and need no other justification to fight and enforce the United Nations resolution. “The archipelago was and Argentina yesterday, today and forever,” he said, the agency Telam. Mera ruled by bilateral dialogue and committed the Catamarca-like Gov. Lucia Corpacci - to join and sign for the president Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner moved to the United Nations this petition. At the presentation ceremony involved the actor Victor Laplace , one of ten artists who sponsor the campaign, who doubled the bet and invited all catamarqueños to take to the streets to military Falklands and talk to people of the future and the opportunities in this strategic country's southern portion.'

'IMF Should Ask U.S. to Review Argentina Case: Lagarde'
33 nigelpwsmith (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 06:28 pm Report abuse

Jose still doesn't understand that the Islanders have every right to be an independent nation. It is by their choice & their democratic vote that they choose to be British.

The Islands have been British since 1765 and the Islanders are the natural descendants of the Vernet colony, most of which remained on the islands after the illegal United Provinces garrison was told to leave. The Vernet colonists were joined by more settlers from all over the world, but they all choose to be British.

They choose to be British, because they know that Britain respects their rights, whilst Argentina does not.

They choose to be British, because Britain will defend their right to choose their own destiny with every asset available to the United Kingdom.
34 DanyBerger (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 06:34 pm Report abuse
Ha ha I love the part where the project manager financed a movie for his son with the British money.

British aid seem more bribes and corruption than real help.

Well what can you expect from MPs in parliament that have used taxpayer money to pay for personal stuff even porno films.

The mafia in Sicily would shocked by the corruption in Ukistan on these days.

By the ways Queen Cristina prepared to vote against UK from taking loans from IMF and stop Aid donor to UK until the corrupted country shows trucked records of transparency according with La Nacion and Clarin.
35 yankeeboy (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 06:57 pm Report abuse
30. They're considered middle class!

Marcos, how many times are you going to post that same video from our financial crisis? Those people are still living much better and with more opportunity than 2/3 of your country.
36 Dany Berger (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 07:22 pm Report abuse
The UK is bankrupt like Destroy, US of Awful. We will soon be nuking the Fuckland Islands and you limey MP's will be wetting your pants all the way to Westminster Abbey.
They went wee wee wee all the way home. You couldn't muster a new navy to make way like 82. You foolish clowns think our great navy is rusting in their berth's woefully listing. Merely a cloaking to lull you all into thinking we are inept. Fuckland Islands is fucked.
37 reality check (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
Keep on fishing lad! Someone is sure to bite sooner or later.
38 inthegutter (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 07:50 pm Report abuse
#35 ahahahaha... you really are stupid aren't you. Some questions, though I'm sure you won't answer them:

1) Even if the UK did steal the islands off Argentina in 1833 why does this mean they should be returned? If they should be returned shouldn't most of Patagonia and vast tracks of Paraguay?

2) Why do you the hate the UK so much? What is it exactly that the UK did to you to justify your hatred?
39 Conqueror (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 09:00 pm Report abuse
@17 And now the UK has told India it won't be getting any more! Why didn't you mention that?

And when it comes to toilet paper, shouldn't you be examining the brown arses in Venezuela?
@20 Don't be nasty. It's how argie “visitors” get by.
@22 Is there any reason for anyone to listen to a pig-ignorant illiterate? Here's the bottom line. Push your luck and get flattened. Trust me on this. The British government has the authority of the majority of the people of Britain to launch nuclear ballistic missiles against argieland.
@33 See you don't have any “answers”, Dead Beat. “Queen” Cristina. Slight error. That's Queer Cristina. And she can vote “against” all she likes. The largest IMF members now want to “kill” argieland. so it WILL die.
@35 Blah, blah, blah. You seem to have a problem with your nationality. A while ago, it was “If I were Argentina”. Now it's “We will soon be nuking”. No you won't. Because no-one in South America has any nukes. And at the first sight of any both the UK and the USA will open fire. You might think that 160 UK warheads isn't a concern. But is it all WE have. Then there's at least 5,200 US nuclear warheads. So looking forward to the obliteration of latam live on tv. Oh yes, definitely time to remove a little problem. No-one “needs” or wants latam.
40 Pete Bog (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
“ We will soon be nuking the Fuckland Islands”

You couldn't fight your way out of a paper bag-if you did have nukes you would probably fire them at Buenos Aires by mistake. Pfffft.
41 Escoses Doido (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 09:29 pm Report abuse
@13 Danny Berger;
It really is so evident that you are a number of people just logging on as this ´Danny Berger´cock.

Some of you can type English, and soe of you sound like you are using the translator they had in the movie ´Mars Attacks´.

Eeejits cant even use google translate FFS.
42 alan (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 09:59 pm Report abuse
More impressed when the Mercosur / EU trade deal is vetoed.
43 CaptainSilver (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 10:57 pm Report abuse
Marcos Fandango - yes our soup kitchens are provided for expat RGs like yourself, Big Issue sellers like yourself and your failed foreign ministers and Dictators when they have escaped and claimed asylum in the UK like you and your pal Utter Stink over Dover etc. We are a generous people.
As for RG attacks on our islands you will be torpedoed, sunk, and incinerated instantly if you try it again. Any stragglers will be dealt with by the Gurkhas who are busy shapening their Kukris. And there is the referendum approved by Mr Ban ki Moon.
44 A_Voice (#) Jul 21st, 2013 - 12:38 am Report abuse
Great What? What kind of a remark is that?
False poster.......
45 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 21st, 2013 - 03:46 am Report abuse
It's snowing so I just wanted to let yankeeboy know so he can go blow himself to the news.
46 Stevie (#) Jul 21st, 2013 - 09:10 am Report abuse
So, UK taxpayers could end up paying Argentinas debt indirectly? Hahahaha
This IS hilarious. I knew you lot would be useful at some point :)
47 Steve-33-uk (#) Jul 21st, 2013 - 09:36 am Report abuse
'Reviews in England that will support the IMF - The IMF's decision to support the Supreme Court of the United States' position of Argentina in the legal dispute against vulture funds has provoked strong criticism in the UK. The issue was raised in Parliament, according to an article in the Sunday Express under the title: “The British dairy cow: How the UK money helps Argentina to fight against creditors”...'

'British Big Brother - The U.S. NSA spy for the British, and English GCHQ spy on Americans ~ ...The GCHQ and NSA have identified 40,000 to 30,000 keywords, respectively: “Falklands” and “Malvinas” appear on both lists of keywords that British and American analyze and intersect in real time....'

'“Not only is the end of Kirchner, is the end of the cycle of all parties” - In a head to head with Letter P , the historical reference of the left and Labour Party leader, Jorge Altamira , gave his view of the electoral landscape within weeks of the August Primary. ~ ...During the Falklands War put together a campaign in Brazil and won the accession of half Brazilian cabinet, and this is very important because through an activity, we demonstrate that this government was divided: there was a minority but large calling for support to Argentina and send material aid, while the other sector preferred the triumph of England. This led to a discussion with Fernando Henrique Cardoso in Brazil very important institute, which also participated the great economist, who died- Celso Furtado . Cardoso ruled against Argentina; Furtado and I by Argentina. Sure, their argument is that we had a dictatorship, our argument is that the dictatorship had been made ​​by Thatcher...'
48 DanyBerger (#) Jul 21st, 2013 - 12:13 pm Report abuse
@Escoses Dildo

If you pay attention you will realise that there are a “DanyBerger” and a “Dany Berger” that is fake.
Can you see the little difference? The idiot has created an account with my name but using a space in it.

Like “Escoses Doido” and “EscosesDoido”

But I guess that could be someone from inside MP because I get an email from articles that I have never posted a single word.

I really don’t care otherwise I will be looking for the way to get access to MP database and get all login information and IPs.

Go daddy registrar
Linode vps
Main ip

Cheap U$s 20 Vps plan

Ha ha ha

BTW MP you have not turned index off to disable.

So anyone can explore by http service your content.
You can fix that by adding into a .htaccess directive to not allow dir exploration

MP again you have a security issue by allowing SSH service with root password and you have set port 22 as default port.

You need to secure that by disable password root access.

That is not good as all hackers attack port 22 to get access root.

Change that to a not meaningful port other than 22 and also use “SSH Authorized Key” to use shell service and also disallow any base access password root.

Well what can I say... sometimes I get ashamed by my own generosity.

World peace and happiness for everyone, I know that I’m so cute and young girls get full in love with me.

But is that my fault for being so attractive tomtyem?

I guess not. I cannot be blamed for that....

I will have to live with this sense of guilty at is part of my own Karma. I always keep saying that I don’t deserve them and that I’m an ugly person selfish and not even worth to love. But girls always find me attractive and want to have sex with me.

I feel guilty sometimes. Really!

I hope you don’t have to experience that in FI it is so distressing because you have to accomplish girl expectations as if you are a sexual objet.

That it is not life and sometimes I feel like a di
49 Heisenbergcontext (#) Jul 21st, 2013 - 01:15 pm Report abuse
@48 Danny Berger

I've read various descriptions for MercoPress's reasons to exist, none of which
suggested it might be a dating service for Lonely Latin Lovers.
50 yankeeboy (#) Jul 21st, 2013 - 01:55 pm Report abuse
I'm so disappointed it is only supposed to be cold in BA until Wed. I don't think that is enough to drain the meagher LNG reserves.

My only hope is their terrible National Weather Service is a wrong as usual and the cold snap continues.

All the poor people using electric heaters must be burning up the lines by now. I can smell the electrical grid frying from here.
51 Troy Tempest (#) Jul 21st, 2013 - 02:23 pm Report abuse

So Dany, you are a verminous hacker, then?

Is that why are on the computer so much?

And now, ironic that another hacker is trolling you!!

Now that you want it stopped, and you couldn't resist showing off, it's even more funny!

52 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 21st, 2013 - 03:18 pm Report abuse
As I said, the more time passes the more the politics of the EU, USA, IMF, etc will care less about the argentine debt. They will want the issue to go away... that was Argentina's plan all along, drag it out and out and out until either the original bondholders were mostly dead, or people just simply forgot or wanted to move on.

It happens with anything in life, the more time passes the more something recedes in preponderance.

How many dead today in North America and Europe due to the heat?
53 Troy Tempest (#) Jul 21st, 2013 - 03:33 pm Report abuse

“How many dead today in North America and Europe due to the heat?”

As always, you are charming and compassionate - the real you showing through.

Again and again, you demonstrate your amoral selfish nature, publicly.

And you wonder why nobody respects you personally.

How's the 'dating' going?
Still carrying around the knife, ropes and duct tape around in the back of your parents VW?
54 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 21st, 2013 - 03:42 pm Report abuse
Aren't you people celebrating below freezing weather in argieland? You know some homeless people may die (none so far that I heard), yet you all were jumping at the snow forecast.

Isn't that the same? Why do you lambaste me?
55 reality check (#) Jul 21st, 2013 - 03:43 pm Report abuse
What heat!

It's overcast and cool, rain any moment. Typical July again.

Expect it to get warmer next week, whoopee shit.

As for your debt, you have already said you are not going to pay up whatever the court says.

So what? now fuck off and stop scrounging off the rest of the world your pathetic.

How do you spot an argentine in a pub?

He's the one that runs off to the bog every time a round is called for!
56 HansNiesund (#) Jul 21st, 2013 - 03:47 pm Report abuse

Poor Tobes. His whole world will collapse if he ever realizes two wrongs don't make a right.
57 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 21st, 2013 - 03:53 pm Report abuse

Actually who do you spot an argie in a British pub?

He is the one that at the end of the night still has his unders on.


Where were you to criticize yankeeboy, conqueror, Pete bog, et al for wishing for prolonged cold when they know that this usually causes people of unfortunate means anywhere (even your country), to be at risk of hypothermia and death?
58 yankeeboy (#) Jul 21st, 2013 - 04:27 pm Report abuse
I don't want people to die. I want the gov't to collapse. Big difference!
59 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 21st, 2013 - 04:46 pm Report abuse
I don't want people to die either. I want NorthAms and Euros to accept climate change so they demand something be done about it.
60 yankeeboy (#) Jul 21st, 2013 - 04:58 pm Report abuse
You should talk to India and China they are the worlds biggest polluters.
I guess you could also add Brazil and Malaysia burning down their trees too.

The USA will deal with climate change within its own borders and so should every other country.

BA will probably be under water in the next decade or so do you have room for the additional slums in Mendoza?
61 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 21st, 2013 - 05:07 pm Report abuse
Last I heard your gov is prepping for abandoning NYC and Miami. Buenos Aires will be fine, no extremes of weather there.
62 yankeeboy (#) Jul 21st, 2013 - 05:13 pm Report abuse
We like to be prepared and last I heard they were looking at building a huge retractable wall around Manhattan for something liek U$20B.

Sounds kind of cool and exactly what they need in BA. Maybe they'll start after they complete the bullet train to Rosario. hahaha

BA is ALREADY dangerously under water every time you get 4inches or more rain. Raw sewage in the streets and deaths with the tiniest bit of rain. It is only going to get worse.
63 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 21st, 2013 - 05:18 pm Report abuse
Will that retractable wall be as waterproof as those famed world wonders of New Orelans levies ? hahahaha.
64 yankeeboy (#) Jul 21st, 2013 - 05:27 pm Report abuse
You can't compare New Orleans and NYC. New Orleans is a backwater, poor and small.
They were warned for DECADES to fix the levies and never did and they learned their lesson. They're fixed now though.
Plus it was only poor people that lost their stuff, c'est la vie, the poor always get screwed.
Like most of your country.
65 Briton (#) Jul 21st, 2013 - 06:28 pm Report abuse
I want NorthAms and Euros to accept climate change so they demand something be done about it.
out of interest, what is your country doing abt it,

these green people seem interested in there view,
but have no interest of how to deal with the big hole that it cre-ates

unless of course one wants milliona and millions of these giant wind turbines everywhere.
just a thought.
66 DanyBerger (#) Jul 21st, 2013 - 06:46 pm Report abuse
@Troy Tempest

I’m not a hacker idiot, in fact I hate them because they are good for nothing.

I was just pointing out MP server vulnerability to the ton of idiots that after 5 minute your set up a server they are trying to get access to it. Mostly from China, Russia, Africa, Mexico, US and Brazil.


“I don't want people to die. I want the gov't to collapse. Big difference!”

Well seem you are doing pretty well as “Destroy” recently went into default in USAMEX.

Keep going like this and for the end of Obama term all 50 states will be in default in Amexica and you new currency will be ”Peso Mexicano or Amero.

Ha ha
67 Conor J (#) Jul 21st, 2013 - 06:51 pm Report abuse
You're a Kraut aren't you Danny? If I were you I wouldn't get to smirky about countries defaulting, after all the Euros eventual destruction coupled with your countries falling and ageing population will tear Germany a new one. Do you remember what happened the last time Germany couldn't pay her debts back in the 30's?
68 reality check (#) Jul 21st, 2013 - 07:00 pm Report abuse

Often wondered who those fellas were with their pants on outside their trousers.

Is it a bird?

Is it a plane?

No!! It's Super !!!!!!! Argie!!!!!!!!

Faster than a speeding debt collector.

Able to leap a tall ATM in a single bound.

Super Argie!!!!!!!!!
69 yankeeboy (#) Jul 21st, 2013 - 07:04 pm Report abuse
Dany, There is no other country in the last 100yrs that has moved faster and further down the GDP chart than Argentina.
The reason I watch Arg so much is because I am scared the USA could get on the same path. There are a number of reasons that will not happen in my lifetime but it is a scary thought,
I think Obama is the worst President since FDR. Hopefully the next one will be better but as long as the Senate switches over to Republican control in 2014 as it is expected to do I will be happy no matter who is Prez.
The sequestration is working and will work better in following years as the GDP grows and Fed gov''t spending is lowered. We are on a good and steady path and should be energy independent in a decade. Our next decade looks to be pretty promising. There are a lot of good things lining up to keep us as the richest most powerful country in the world for a very long time. I am happy to debate it anytime with you.
70 Conqueror (#) Jul 21st, 2013 - 07:19 pm Report abuse
@34 I see you have no answer when I pointed out the glaring inaccuracies (lies?) @13. So which are you? Drunk, stupid or mentally deranged?
@48 So you've been trolled. Couldn't care less. You also seem to have some trouble remembering your sex (?) if you have one. You have another problem. It's called “inflated ego”. Let's see whether I've got you sussed. Unless someone incorrectly labelled your test-tube, “Dany” is female. “Berger” is Germanic. Then there's your gender confusion. So, an over-compensating, kraut ladyboy! I'm right, aren't I? I take it that the last word you couldn't finish was “dick”. Perhaps if you didn't leave so many spaces!
@52 Did you cross anything before you came out with that crap? Let's give you some clues. Have WE forgotten the Napoleonic Wars? Have WE forgotten WW1? WW2? The argie invasion of the Falkland Islands. See, we have a much greater attention span than anything in latam. Besides, clowns such as CFK, Chavez, Correa, Maduro, Morales, Mujica will keep us laughing for years. And after we've laughed, we'll remember. Mostly we'll remember how you OWE. And WE'll still be remembering long after YOU're dead.
@57 Show me where I was wishing for prolonged cold, dickhead. Although I always hope for argie deaths. Not Argentine deaths. Until PROVEN otherwise, argies are, by definition, war criminals. Who cares what happens to war criminals?
@59 WE don't care. WE'll be fine. Can't say the same for YOU. Do I care? I don't.
@61 Really? Those FLOODS were imaginery, were they? Little tip for you. Being next to a river and an ocean can be dangerous.
@63 How's the Ensanada oil refinery doing? Got it going again yet? And if you reckon you have, why are you still importing billions of DOLLARS-worth of energy supplies?
71 yankeeboy (#) Jul 21st, 2013 - 09:29 pm Report abuse
Has anyone found statistics of how many people die at Futbol games in Argentina on a yearly basis?
I never went when I lived there my handlers said it was too dangerous.
72 A_Voice (#) Jul 21st, 2013 - 09:49 pm Report abuse
Speaking of dangerous.........If you are so fond of statistics
I did find this projection........
USA........a great place to live......without fear........
As the increasing rate of people being killed by firearms has showed no signs of slacking so far, from 2013 to 2022 an estimated 339,400 people will be killed by firearms.
That figure is 29,526 more firearm deaths when compared to the historical ten year period from 2002 to 2011.

To give you some perspective on those numbers, 339,000 people is roughly equivalent to the entire population of Tampa, Fla.

Read more:
73 yankeeboy (#) Jul 21st, 2013 - 10:03 pm Report abuse
And yet I walk alone at night in every major city without fear, we don't lock our doors, live behind bars or 12 foot gates, have private police on city corners or in middle class subdivision. I can walk up to a U$26MM house and knock on their door.

In Argentina you have to be wary of walking in your own neighborhood and in the city parks at night.
I moved back when my neighbors son lost a finger to kidnappers, neighbors had their cars boxed in on our street and many many commando assaults in the neighborhood.
Scary scary place that country
Scary scary place
74 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 21st, 2013 - 11:29 pm Report abuse
I will bet less criminals will die at the hands of other criminals (that's what most of the death in football stadiums are), this year in Argentina than 6 year old little children in one classroom in one school in one town in the USA.

Sad truth statistically.
75 yankeeboy (#) Jul 22nd, 2013 - 12:19 am Report abuse
What about train accidents?
76 Malvinense 1833 (#) Jul 22nd, 2013 - 12:45 am Report abuse
@75 We need more milk from British cash cow.
77 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 22nd, 2013 - 03:27 am Report abuse

Moving the goalposts, not becoming of a mighty American.

You set yourself up for that reply, just move on. Talking about economics may suit you better though tour 14 peso prediction is now in year 2 of being overdue.
78 Troy Tempest (#) Jul 22nd, 2013 - 07:40 am Report abuse

“I’m not a hacker idiot, in fact I hate them because they are good for nothing”

Hmmm, I don't see the difference between the two of you, then.

79 Brit Bob (#) Jul 22nd, 2013 - 10:55 am Report abuse
The numbers are still being cooked in Buenos Aires
80 yankeeboy (#) Jul 22nd, 2013 - 11:26 am Report abuse
79. GOod Find!
And this is what I have been saying for a long time..
To increase monetary supply by 40% yoy you MUST have growth, fake growth/spillover growth really meaningless but growth nonetheless. Argentina has been in recession since Nov 2011.
And it is only going to get worse.

Even though the inflation number is heavily “understated”, the growth numbers reported by the officials should be more reliable? But this 7.8% number is meant to approximate the “real” instead of the “nominal” measure of the GDP growth. Which means that inflation numbers are key to this determination. The official inflation rate reported by the same government agency is 10.5%, while the actual number is more than double that amount. Computed using a more accurate inflation measure, the real GDP is likely to be negative.

Read more:
81 ChrisR (#) Jul 22nd, 2013 - 03:55 pm Report abuse
79 Brit Bob

Brilliant photo of TMBOA, Blind Scottie Kirchnerist would be getting through the Kleenex on the double!

Complete mad woman.
82 Steveu (#) Jul 22nd, 2013 - 07:48 pm Report abuse
Completely unrelated but I had to chuckle - this from The Guardian (yes - The Grauniad)

All I can say is be careful who you upset!
83 Think (#) Jul 23rd, 2013 - 08:16 pm Report abuse
The good news keep coming…….
Argentina being backed by the IMF...
Argentina’s ”Country Risk”fell under 1,000 points today…
Argentina’s ”Credit Default Swap” down 30% in the last 30 days…
And today, France announced that they are backing Argentina too...

Chuckle chuckle©
84 John III (Pope) (#) Jul 24th, 2013 - 05:49 am Report abuse
Actually it is not British tax payer money. Its ours. We lend it to the British and they deposit with the IMF.

All part of our plan to avenge over 200 years of history.
85 Anglotino (#) Jul 24th, 2013 - 06:43 am Report abuse
Sorry Argentina.

No IMF support for you.

Sorry Think seems the good news doesn't keep on coming after all.
86 Troy Tempest (#) Jul 25th, 2013 - 04:03 am Report abuse
84toby teen dumkopf

“All part of our plan to avenge over 200 years of history.”

You mean the 200 years where the British invested in your industry and infrastructure to give you electricity, telephones, and railways??

Kinda failed on the stable Democracy bit, I admit.

87 John III (Pope) (#) Jul 25th, 2013 - 06:02 am Report abuse

We mean the Macartney delegation, the First and Second Opium Wars and the many other British crimes committed against China up 1949.

If you want to know what Britain will look like in 100 years time you should see what China looked like in the 1920s - 1940s.
88 Troy Tempest (#) Jul 25th, 2013 - 11:20 am Report abuse
84,87toby teen dumkopf

“All part of our plan to avenge over 200 years of history.”

“We mean the Macartney delegation, the First and Second Opium Wars and the many other British crimes committed against China up 1949.”

In other words, according to you, an Argentinian, you are deliberately breaking your solemn word by not paying money that YOU owe, today in 2013.

Quite simply, it is not up to you to decide whether you will pay or not. You are morally and legally required to do so.

Your statements are childish.
89 inthegutter (#) Jul 25th, 2013 - 04:23 pm Report abuse
#87 You know how childish and downright stupid your statement is right? If every country acted like your suggesting (i.e. revenge for past deeds) the world would be a truly terrible place.
90 John III (Pope) (#) Jul 26th, 2013 - 06:10 am Report abuse

But we do not plan to make the world a truly terrible place - just your country.
91 inthegutter (#) Jul 26th, 2013 - 07:37 am Report abuse
#90 So it's just plain old simple racism then. You really are very stupid.
92 DanyBerger (#) Jul 26th, 2013 - 12:01 pm Report abuse

“And yet I walk alone at night in every major city without fear”

That is really good one not even Obama say that...
93 John III (Pope) (#) Jul 27th, 2013 - 05:28 am Report abuse

Yep, that's right. And you're the target. Not so good when the tables are turned is it.
94 Troy Tempest (#) Jul 27th, 2013 - 11:56 am Report abuse
91 inthegutter
“ So it's just plain old simple racism then. You really are very stupid”

93 Tobytroll
“@91 Yep, that's right.”

Nice one Toby. That about says it all.

Very revealing about you.
95 John III (Pope) (#) Jul 28th, 2013 - 05:16 am Report abuse

So, when you practiced racism against us it was OK. But now that we are going to be on top you object to it.

The table has turned now and we do not care what you think. Just as long as you learn to do as you are told.
96 Troy Tempest (#) Jul 28th, 2013 - 06:57 am Report abuse
95 Toby

Wtf are you yabbering on about ??
97 Pete Bog (#) Jul 28th, 2013 - 11:08 pm Report abuse
“Just as long as you learn to do as you are told.”

Argentina is IMPOTENT to tell the Falkland Islanders anything.

In debt-impotent.

A Navy made of of ships that consider it a victory if they return to port without sinking-impotent.

An air force whose aircraft are increasingly retired due to old age, unserviceability etc etc-impotent.

A country that is impotent to deliver quality of diplomacy.

“The table has turned now ”

Yes it has, you are more impotent than in 1982-so the tables have turned against you.

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