MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
In Mexico, Latam second largest economy over half the are catalogued as poor
Poverty in Mexico, including extreme cases, decreased slightly between 2010 and 2012, reported the National Council for Evaluation of Social Development Policy. Official stats show that poverty in Mexico, Latam’ second largest economy went from 46.1% of the population in 2010 to 45.5% in 2012, while extreme poverty fell from 11.3% to 9.8%. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesIs this why the PA is the way forward for SA?
Jul 31st, 2013 - 07:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Drug production and export.
Brand the native population as terrorists.
50% poverty...
Welcome to Mercosur, Ecuador, although I agree with Correa we should probably merge Mercosur and Unasur.
The Mexican institute of informacion, INEGI and the CONEVAL, are not controlled by the Mexican authorities and they do adhere to international standards to define “poverty” or “middle-class” that are used in Canada and The United States and Europe.
Jul 31st, 2013 - 07:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0That´s why while in Brazil or Argentina a person without a car and without a bank account and earning some 300 or 400 usdollars a month is defined as “middle-class”, the same person is defined as “poor” in Mexico.
That pretty much explains why the “middle-classes” in Mexico never take it to the streets in massive protests when the bus fares are increased, because a middle-class in Mexico has a car and does not need to use public transportation or public health or free education.
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Jul 31st, 2013 - 07:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course, and in reality, some 3000 Argentines are shot to death every month in drug related crimes... and some 5000 Brasilians.
It's all a conspiracy really.
Brazil has a higher homicide rate than Mexico, and so does Venezuela, Colombia, Honduras and many other countries.
Jul 31st, 2013 - 07:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0At least Mexico´s doing something about it.
Well Brazil´s does win over Mexico on deaths by violence and narcotraffic by 100, 000 ppl. But in reality this´s a continental problem. But now, if you really need us to begin talking about what country has more deaths or not as if those were just numbers at an stadistic, just because you felt the need to ideologically oppose a group like the Pacific Alliance, then it´s obvios why not only Latam has not gotten a real relationship between “sister” countries let alone “integration” , but the reason for crisis inside Mercosur becomes apparent IMO.
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Jul 31st, 2013 - 07:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Brasil does not have a higher homicide rate than Mexico, I'm sorry to disappoint you.
Although Brasil isn't far behind, Mexico is right up there with Colombia, Venezuela and a bunch of Caribbean and Central American nations.
But I clearly stater drug related crimes, not homicide rates...
As a part of the route of the drugs, together with Colombia and USA, Mexico is the one of the main responsable for the drug situation in the continent.
If I remember correctly there were less drug related deaths in Mexico when the gov't turned a blind eye and let the Cartels do their business.
Jul 31st, 2013 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Much like what is happening in Argentina under the Ks
Argentina is a narco state it is just a matter of time before the USA and EU impose sanctions.
If you would like to think so ok.
Jul 31st, 2013 - 07:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Watch the film “Man on fire” if you want to get a flavour for the problems.
Jul 31st, 2013 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Venezuela has a higher murder rate than Mexico. Indeed it is one of the highest in the world. Let alone the kidnappings.
Jul 31st, 2013 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0According to criteria laid down by Stevie, any trade group that Venezuela is part of should be tarred with the same brush. So go ahead Ecuador join the murder capital trade group of the world: Mercosur.
What a juvenile and pathetic smear. More Venezuelan civilians were murdered during Chavez's rule than civilians killed in Iraq after the American invasion.
These days you are less likely to be murdered in Iraq than Venezuela.
Congratulations! We are all Chavez well those that lived through his rule are I guess.
“More Venezuelan civilians were murdered during Chavez's rule than civilians killed in Iraq after the American invasion”
Aug 01st, 2013 - 04:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't believe that statement of yours. Numbers please, or you are just typing words to fill up empty space.
And I was still talking about deaths related to drug related crime by the way...
Oh Stevie
Aug 01st, 2013 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0You should know now how careful I am with my choice of words.
“I don't believe that statement of yours. Numbers please, or you are just typing words to fill up empty space.”
Of course you don't. Wasn't it you running around ranting “We are all Chavez” recently? Which means two things. You are taking responsibility for this fact and second, your meme fell flat.
Between his initial election and the farce of his last bedridden term, Chavez presided over a massive increase in Venezuela's murder rate.
More than 150,000 Venezuelans were murdered during his presidency.
156,000!
Let's put this in context. Since the US invasion of Iraq in 2003, there were more civilians killed in Venezuela than in Iraq. The Iraq body count comes up with a figure at the high end being only ~135,000
135,000!
Wow can you believe that the crime stats in Venezuela are WORSE than IRAQ.
According to the UN, no other country in South America has a higher murder rate and only one country on the entire African continent can exceed it.
As the Venezuelan government doesn't publish proper or any statistics at time, it is estimated that the murder rate could be as high as 75 per 100,000. The UN puts it at 50 per 100,000.
Doesn't sound much does it. Until you compare it.
Colombia - 31 per 100,000
Brazil - 21 per 100,000
US - 5 per 100,000
Australia - 1 per 100,000 ;)
Do your own research:
IRAQ
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
VENEZUELA
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
MEXICO
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
I especially like this quote:
Aug 01st, 2013 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0“There are more murders in Venezuela than in the United States and the 27 countries of the European Union combined.”
For perspective, a country of 29 million has more people murdered than the US and EU's combined 820 million.
29,000,000
820,000,000
“And I was still talking about deaths related to drug related crime by the way...”
Oh that must make all the victims in Venezuela rest in peace knowing that they weren't murdered because of drugs. What a pathetic backdown.
You tarred the whole of the Pacific Alliance with the problems of one member: Mexico.
“Is this why the PA is the way forward for SA?
Drug production and export.
Brand the native population as terrorists.
50% poverty...
Welcome to Mercosur, Ecuador”
Clearly such problems are either the fault of the PA or will percolate though the PA according to your glib comment.
So join Mercosur instead of PA Correa. You won't be joining an organisation that contains a member with one of the region's highest murder rate, you will be joining the one that had a member with the actual highest. More people are murdered per year in Mercosur than PA.
Anglolatino
Aug 01st, 2013 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Again, you fail to see that selective googling will always give you the desired result.
You choose an NGO as source for Venezuela.
You choose the official (US) body Count for Iraqi civilians.
Lets be fair.
Now, lets have a look at what another NGO has to say about Iraq.
http://web.mit.edu/humancostiraq/
I especially dislike the quote that says:
“The U.S. documents released by Wikileaks suffer from the same shortcomings that also afflict those ”several other estimates“--Iraq Body Count, the Brookings Index, and the U.N. mission in Baghdad: they use ”passive surveillance“ methods that capture only what is reported by a small and unsystematic effort. Active surveillance using randomized household surveys is a superior method, and in the two most recent, credible surveys, between 400,000 and 650,000 Iraqi deaths were estimated, including all Iraqis and all causes.”
Stevie
Aug 02nd, 2013 - 04:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Off camping for the weekend. Will reply Monday.
Though an amazed how easily you ignore the effects of the Bolivarian Revolution. Don't worry about the small people as long as the ideology is pure.
Enjoy guys.
Wow Anglotino
Aug 02nd, 2013 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0You managed to post a comment without making any assumptions, insults or misinforming.
And I don't ignore violence in Venezuela, but the Picture you Guys are painting is just plain wong.
I know you too have an ideological agenda, but lets not lie in eachothers faces, and if we are misinformed, lets check our sources with a critical eye...
Have a nice trip and talk to you on Monday.
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