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Argentine military sent napalm bombs to Bolivia to help hunt Che Guevara reveal Brazil documents
The military government that ruled Argentina in 1967 provided its Bolivian peers with napalm bombs and other arms to help combat guerrillas headed by Ernesto Che Guevara who three months after delivery was killed, according to released documents in Brazil and published by O Estado de Sao Paulo. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesArgentina shipped 100 napalm bombs of 100 kilos; 250 FAL rifles and 200 pistols calibre 45 with 30.000 and 5.000 bullets and another batch of 50 napalm bombs of 50 kilos...WOW
Aug 13th, 2013 - 04:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0and now they have a yacht, a baseball bat and a couple of cans of mace.
This cannot possible be true. We have been told to THINK that Argentina is peace-loving and would never act in such an underhand way. What next? Argentina will use military force against a civilian population in order to colonize some islands. We all know about the landmines laid on the Falkland Islands by the Argentinian military. Did you also know they also took napalm bombs to the Falklands too !!!
Aug 13th, 2013 - 04:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Some might say that the Arg. military got something right then; Guervera turned out to be 'not a very nice man'.
Aug 13th, 2013 - 04:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Brazil never seems to step up to the plate as a regional power and yet thinks it has the ability to be a global power.
Aug 13th, 2013 - 05:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0It has half the continent's GDP, half its population and half its land... and yet it hardly ever influences any of its neighbours.
Geoff
Aug 13th, 2013 - 05:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know about Guervera, but Guevara turned out to be a very exceptional man. A man that took on the empire and gave Latin America an identity that you lot will never ever be able to change.
;)
What empire was that then?
Aug 13th, 2013 - 06:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Cuban or was it the Bolivian.
Nothing but a nasty little man who liked killing, when there was no more to do in Cuba, he went else where to find it, he found it all right, but not the way he intended.
6
Aug 13th, 2013 - 06:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, in a time of killing, the 50's and 60's (Vietnam war, Korea war...), he did indeed turn the lights off for the most useless pieces of waste this earth ever had the dishonour to spawn.
But for that, we forgive him...
;)
I heard one first hand account from Che's days in medical school. He was referred to as a “nuisance”, and he interrupted many of the exams with his antics. My impressions are that his beliefs were poorly conceived, his achievements are exaggerated, but he had courage.
Aug 13th, 2013 - 07:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's a shame that there are violent morons that commit petty crimes in his name.
Che -not just a tee-shirt - Guevara was a rebel looking for a cause. I love the story about his parents visiting him in Cuba after the revolution and asking him when he was going to get a proper job.
Aug 13th, 2013 - 08:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0At least he died a fitting death, simple but fitting.
Aug 13th, 2013 - 08:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yep he did indeed turn out the lights of a lot of people, all of them his fellow Latins, nice man.
Aug 13th, 2013 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0There were a lot of executions following the Cuban revelution, he did them himself, when I say he liked killing, I mean he liked killing, he liked to do it himself, sick man.
The reason you lot know nothing about Che is because your history teachers couldn't come up with enough dirt to throw at him, so they decided to leave him out of your classrooms altogether...
Aug 13th, 2013 - 08:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, they left him out of our classrooms, because he is of no relevance whatsoever to our history. Yours maybe and maybe some leftie political students here, but other than that, totally irrelevant.
Aug 13th, 2013 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0@5, 7, 12. Don't you worry, sonny. Latinos don't have any “ability”. Good for cheating each other, lying to each other, stealing from each other but not much more. Here's a little example. A small nation of less than 3,000 people can successfully defy a latino “state” of over 40 million. Of course, that “state” only has a few more years of existence. The world has moved on from the 18th century. Who would miss argieland? Or uruguay? No-one! Little uncivilised “states”. Neither are “needed”. There are other latam states that aren't needed either. Bolivia, Ecuador. Peru is questionable. So is Brazil. Once they've been destroyed, we can establish proper democratic countries. Where individuals like Correa, Kirchner, Maduro, Morales, Mujica are automatically sent to asylums.
Aug 13th, 2013 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0“A man that took on the empire and gave Latin America an identity”
Aug 13th, 2013 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0???
That epitaph would be fitting of someone like Lautaro, a warrior who took the fight to the empire and dealt crushing defeats upon them. Not Che who did no more that throw a brick through McDonald's window and run away when the going got tough.
He was a loser and a coward and few in my part of Latin America identify with him. The only people I have seen who identify with him are political minorities/ criminals like the communist party or Okupas.
@12 Ahh, so the people he had put in front of firing squads in post-revolution Cuba were ALL imperialist pigs? I'm sure all of those people executed at his order were really bad people right? But hey, as long as it's in the name of revolution, it's justified right? I know your response will be something to the effect of “it pales in comparison to the number of people killed by western-supported governments...something something” All the while avoiding the real question. How many innocent people were killed on the orders of Che?
Aug 13th, 2013 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bring that up in your next Tuesday evening meeting. Isn't that when you you holdover commies meet?
And what identity is it that Latinos supposedly feel currently from Che? I don't hear any of my wife's family in Chile speak of him in way, shape, or form. In fact, everything commie disgusts them. And they're poor Chileans.
Che Guevara's legacy:
Aug 13th, 2013 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Hao Pei T-shirt company made T-shirts with Che's famous picture for the Herring company which sold between 1984 and 2011 a total of U$S 76.3 billion!!!!!!!!
Long live the Empire!!!!!!
“How many innocent people were killed on the orders of Che?”
Aug 13th, 2013 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most likely less than those killed on the orders of your run-of-the-mill US prez or UK crime minister.
tobi....one day you will no longer have momma's nipple and her milk drooling off you lip.....when she is dead. Then maybe you can see and travel the world.....you're dad, naive, and very provincial thinking.
Aug 13th, 2013 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Would you like an oreo with her milk?
@17 Simon
Aug 13th, 2013 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lol, they merchandised him.
I would like to see a little plastic Che made for McDonalds “happy meals” just to give his legacy due place in the “empire”.
@20 That's one of the best ideas I've heard in a long time!
Aug 13th, 2013 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is amazing how often this loser comes up on MP, and always with the same lame brains supporting him and lauding his 'legacy'.
Aug 13th, 2013 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reminds me of the medals the argies have for losing the war.
@16
Aug 13th, 2013 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Che didn't kill one single innocent man or woman.
They were all guilty.
Today, they would've spent quite some years in jail.
For fraud, theft, slavery, some even murder.
Unluckily for them, they lived in violent times.
As you all know, human life had little value back then, just look at Vietnam. Look at Korea.
Che was no Gandhi.
Che was no superhuman.
You want to make Che a diety?
No, Che was no diety, just an exceptional man that gave his life to freedom and justice.
A legacy that lives on.
CIA thought they could kill him, but as their murderer-in-command says just after his crime;
“I'm more afraid of Che today, than I was when he lived”
Che lives on in every aspect of society.
He is one of the main reasons that what you lot call communism, simply is moderate socialism (tibios), down here...
Che was a Central Banker for Castro, as well as a murderer for him. The Argentine military got one thing right.
Aug 13th, 2013 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.therealcuba.com/MurderedbyChe.htm
@Chris
Aug 13th, 2013 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Reminds me of the medals the argies have for losing the war.”
lol
@ Stevie
“Che lives on in every aspect of society”
*** crickets chirping ***
I read your lies to the tunes of
Aug 13th, 2013 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxtwzU0-wPM
“We will continue forwards,
like with you we continued
And with Fidel we tell you
Hasta Siempre
Comandante”
I think Che set out with some good intentions and ideals - who doesn't - but ended up in something much bigger than he bargained for. Even Castro couldn't stand him after a while and there is a strong argument that he would have been forgotten if not for that iconic photograph. I love that he symbol was exploited by capitalism because it demonstrates how futile the communist dream is. It doesn't work. It has never worked. It will never work. State capitalism - the reality of the communist system - has never succeeded. It was an experiment that failed.
Aug 13th, 2013 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is not to say the ruthlessness of capitalism should reign unchallenged. Capitalism with a social conscience is something to strive for.
It is interesting that I have never seen the hero worship of 'the idea of Che' in Argentina. It seems to be more apparent in the bedrooms of young people of wealthy families looking for something to salve their consciences. 'I may be rich but at least I have a picture of Che on the wall of my expensive school dorm.' Right on.
Elaine
Aug 13th, 2013 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's because the only ones to buy those T-shirts, are also the ones you mention...
We teach the values to our kids, and even if some right-wingers here tries to pretend the reality is different, just have a look at South America today.
Of course time changes, and with it, the actions. Killing your opponents after a flaired court was common practice back in the 50's, as was napalming entire villages in other parts of the World.
Today, Things are different. The revolutioners can't go against social will and act judges. Especially not kill.
But mainly because killing is wrong, not because the invaders of Peace deserves to live.
Because they, well they still play under the same rules, napalm having been replaced by drones...
The 'revolutioners' seem to have forgotten their constraints in much of the Middle East, Stevie.
Aug 13th, 2013 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It depends what you mean by a revolutionary. It can vary from a will of the majority rising up against oppressive regimes to effect change, to a lone idealist (or three) wanting to press their philosophy on the majority.
Aug 13th, 2013 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know from your posts that you want to paint everything black or white, left or right, right or wrong, South American or the rest of the world, but it is never really as divided as that, save for the purposes of trying to win an argument on a message board. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, and all that.
Che Guevara morphed from a chap jumping on the Castro bandwagon - no doubt because he thought it a good ride - to an iconic representation of rebelling against anything from parents to authority to life in general. My point being that he does not represent a great following of young communists. He is probably spinning in his grave.
Let us not forget that Che Guevara was a master. Yes a master of the PAREDON.
Aug 13th, 2013 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
Elaine
Aug 13th, 2013 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Che Guevara is spinning (got that) in his grave, it's for reason I probably shouldn't be discussing in these threads.
As for what he means outside South America, I think it matters little. What do matters is his legacy, to fight for your freedom. To fight for someone elses freedom.
Today, luckily, we don't have to fight with arms, as Bush played us right in our hands with all his hipocrisy about democracy.
And we forgive, but we never forget.
@ 27. Guevara did not set out with good intentions and ideals, he was a cold-blooded murderer from the start. Socialists are not nice, they are cocnceited, hateful tyrants.
Aug 13th, 2013 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@32 lol!
Aug 13th, 2013 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know about the Cuba before and with Castro. Can you really argue with a straight face that Cubans were free after the revolution? Seriously? Have you been there and spoken with a disparate group of Cubans? I have.
@ 27, Elain lol, bullseye observation as usual.
Aug 13th, 2013 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stevie, freedom is the right to do whatever you want.
Write about the election polls.
Talk shite about a politician on YouTube.
Buy more than x loaves of bread.
Freedom to travel beyond your borders. Not have to submit the details of your trip to a vettor.
Freedom to decide what means of exchange you'd like to use.
Freedom to read a printed newspaper in Portuguese, even though... the lead! Think of the children! (lead has not been used in newsprint in four decades)
Free to make a living that YOU think is fair.
And you don't have to fight for it. It.already exists.
Not ever in communism though.
See if we MERGE some of the generous intentions of the left with the amazing abundance creation of the more right-thinking, THEN we have something. But it has to be FREE WILL.
Even now we see big glimmers of that!!!!! Think how many strangers helping others on how-to forums. Think Bill Gates. Think ppl who stop on the side of the road if you blew a tire tp ask if you're Ok!
People are good at heart.
Elaine
Aug 13th, 2013 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think many factors made Cuba what it is today, and USA is a negative influence in all of them. Having such a powerful neighbour that actively Works against you is not a good recipe of success. I think that, having that in mind, Cuba is doing extraordinarely well.
What worries me about the Island is the lack of will, for when everything is given on a plate, human tend to adapt itself into satisfaction.
Ayayay is right on one thing, we should pick the best each ideology has to offer and try to implement it in society in such a way that we kind a balance between material development and social one.
But that is not the case, reality is that people are starving, so the right-wing will just have to put its hunger for more at halt, and give the rest of us time to take care of the ones in need.
If only Argentina had spared poor che-he could have been used to spearhead operation Rosary and shown his true metal in resisting the Paras and Rms when they turned up.
Aug 13th, 2013 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or would the white flag have been hoisted high?
Perhaps he would have fancied a crack at the Ghurkas?
@ Stevie
Aug 13th, 2013 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“just have a look at South America today” - yes you should do that some time.
@ 27 Elaine
Bang on.
First decent thing I've heard the argies do. Nice T shirt, shame about the man, should have stuck at dentistry.
Aug 13th, 2013 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hunger is a great motivator.
Aug 13th, 2013 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So is poverty
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
Winston Churchill
Stevie is you blame the USA for Cuba's misery, perhaps they should have given it careful thought before stealing the assets of American businesses. But you can't blame the USA for all Cuba's problems, they rest of the world is free to trade with them. Perhaps Argentina should have thought twice before defaulting. But I suspect Argentina will change.
Aug 13th, 2013 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing in Cuba was ever an American asset, you merely thought it was.
Aug 13th, 2013 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0USA told the rest of the world that they would impose trade sanctions on those who indeed chose to trade with Cuba.
And the vast majority, if not all, have a greater interest in Trading with USA than with Cuba.
Luckily, many Latam nations have, through the years indeed traded with Cuba, regardless of US sanctions.
Sanctions that only tells me that what USA fears is that an alternative system indeed will work...
Comrade Stevie, I read your pontifications on this site, and I try, I really try, to be impressed, but it just never seems to work. Tell me what I need to do to understand your leftist ramblings. Can somebody help a brother out? Anybody? WTF is Stevie talking about?
Aug 13th, 2013 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing in Cuba was ever an American asset
Aug 13th, 2013 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0except every single one of their major corporations
and the reason nobody has invested there in 60 yrs
You are really dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb
And the reason every Alba nations plus Argentina is failing miserably.
Miserably
HAHAHAHAHAHA... What a wondrous achievement, a half-failed boycott of an island of 10 million by a country of 300 million that's just 140 km away, after which 55 years later (that's half a century, for those counting), there is still not the change in government so desired by such sanctions.
Aug 13th, 2013 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Be afraid, be very afraid juajuajuajua
HAHAHAHAHAHA... What a wondrous achievement, a half-failed boycott of an island of 3,000 by a country of 40 million that's just 500 km away, after which 180 years later (that's nearly two centuries, for those counting), there is still not the change in government so desired by such sanctions.
Aug 13th, 2013 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Be afraid, be very afraid juajuajuajua
The difference? Even after Argentina's failed boycott the Falklands are more prosperous than Argentina AND Cuba.
tobi, Cuba could not have survived if the USSR (before your time on earth as a human stain) did not support them or more recently Venezuela. We'll see how that goes now that Venezuela and Cuba are racing at breakneck speed to get to the bottom of the barrel. Has anyone notice how the news seems to stop coming out of Venezuela lately? It's as dry as Cuba......must be all that freedom ringing there.
Aug 14th, 2013 - 05:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0According to the Argentines Cuba should belong to the USA because the USA's territorial integrity is being denied by Cuba's intransigence in wishing to be independent.
Aug 14th, 2013 - 06:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cuba is nearer to the USA than the Falklands is to Argentina.
Also isn't Cuba a product of Spanish implants?
There's another major diifference you lot fail to see.
Aug 14th, 2013 - 06:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cuba is inhabited by Cubans.
Those South Atlantic Islands are inhabited by Brits...
Not implants, but Brits.
Not decendants, but Brits.
Brits.
Stevie, if you speak to Cubans of all ages you get a real understanding of how Castro succeeded and has subsequently failed.
Aug 14th, 2013 - 07:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Older Cubans remember living as virtual slaves under Batista's Mafia run dictatorship, when the island was a playground for rich and suspect Americans and Europeans, and the odd fall-down-drunk writer. They saw Castro as their saviour and look upon him as a father figure. Their lives improved at that time.
Younger Cubans have aspiration. They want freedom to make choices, control their own lives and make something other than a subsistence life entirely dependent on the state. More than anything they expressed to me the desire to travel. And not necessarily to move away permanently. (I will leave that point for another time).
A friend of mine once gave a lecture at an Ivy League college to young, rich, exiled Venezuelans. They were indignant when told that THEY were responsible for the rise of Chavez in Venezuela. But, like Batista's government, they created such an unbalanced and unfair society of have and have-nots that they produced the perfect environment for an unscrupulous, populist leader to rise to the top. Chavez didn't have to convince the majority of people too hard with the promise of just a little more than they had before and that is all he delivered.
The only way Castro maintained dominance for so long was by creating a completely oppressive regime. And because of the isolation of Cubans. US foreign policy did not help the situation and if they had held out a hand to Cuba when the USSR disintegrated instead of increasing sanctions to try to starve the Cuban people, they would have effected some of the changes now occurring much sooner. But changes are happening there. It is the will of the people and even the Castro Brothers can see it.
Cuba is inhabited by Spanish implants. Spain implanted the population and they have no rights due to their implantation.
Aug 14th, 2013 - 07:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0They do not have the right to self determination as they actually Spaniards pretending to be Cubans. They have no right to identify themselves as anything other than their colonial designation of Spaniards.
Cuba is also denying the US its territorial integrity as the land currently occupied by the Spanish implants sits between the US state of Florida and the US territory of Guantanamo Bay.
Actually now that I think about it, Brazil and Uruguay are denying the territorial integrity of the UK as the land occupied illegally by Spain and Portugal disrupts the contiguous nature of the UK's sovereign territory.
It is amazing what people fail to see!
Anglolatino
Aug 14th, 2013 - 08:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0They are Cubans as you are Australian.
The “Falklanders” are Brits.
Simple as that.
Elaine
Well put post, and slowly you are heading towards the very reason Che Guevara might be spinning in his grave.
A topic I wont discuss with you in this thread.
This is not the place for autocriticism...
Sheesh there it is again“ Simple as that”
Aug 14th, 2013 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Typical SAidiot:
Ridiculous statement
no back up
followed by
Simple as that
Gads are all the SA posters here that ignorant?
It is clear to see why their societies never mature.
yanqui
Aug 14th, 2013 - 08:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0The same reason they never putrify, like yours...
You forgot to follow the ridiculous statement with no back up with
Aug 14th, 2013 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0SIMPLE AS THAT
Grow up, take an economics and history class then get a job
you're making a fool out of yourself
Stevie
Aug 14th, 2013 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Try looking up the definition of FACETIOUS.
What's gotten into you this week? You're really off your game.
Well guys, I'm not the one to feel the need to insult in order to proove my point.
Aug 14th, 2013 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0That is very telling, isn't it...?
The only point you have made is that you are sophomoric and lack the basic understanding of economics and world history.
Aug 14th, 2013 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Like Toby, Think et al you have been brainwashed your whole life, with incomplete and inaccurate facts and expectations and are bitter and angry that “someone as smart as you” has turned out to be utter and complete failure.
Insults and yet again insults...
Aug 14th, 2013 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have one for you too.
Yanqui.
That's not an insult it is advice.
Aug 14th, 2013 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0I feel sorry for you, obviously you have serious problems.
Get some help.
@Elaine - “Chavez didn't have to convince the majority of people too hard with the promise of just a little more than they had before and that is all he delivered. ”
Aug 14th, 2013 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's the best summary of Chavez I have seen. Direct, accurate, and to the point. Perfect.
@50 Elaine B.
Aug 14th, 2013 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0A perceptive post, in my opinion, and illustrative of the tragedy of much of Latin American history. Oppression followed by over correction followed by oppression.
WELL GUYS!
Aug 14th, 2013 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anybody heard about the terminal fire at Ven?
ALL the oil tanks ablaze but it seems not to have reached the refinery YET!
So no oil for Cuba or TDC, won't TMBOA be really pissed?
As for Cuba: still MORE of what they haven't got, so no change there then.
Don't forget folks that Stevie is NOT a commie. He only talks like one, and rants incessently like one (on the dreaded social inclusion crap) and admits to being socialist which is as near as damn it to being what the West knows is one AND he lives outside SA and does not pay income tax in SA.
Sounds like the perfect commie to me.
The “Falklanders” are Brits.
Aug 14th, 2013 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wouldn't one have to be born in Great Britain to be a “Brit” stevie? BTW, how is “Yanqui” an insult? Fill us Yanqui's in?
Chris I heard they are blaming the fire on lightening. There goes more money up in smoke.....the communist way. Who can they support now? Looks like more people will be screwed in Venezuela in order to support Argentina and Cuba.
http://globalnews.ca/video/775522/raw-video-large-oil-refinery-catches-fire-in-venezuela
#50, 61
Aug 14th, 2013 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When you look at the HUGE amount of money made from oil over the Chavez years, 'just a little bit more' income is much, much less than the citizens of Venezuela might reasonably have expected.
... a country of such low expectations, met precisely.
By way of a general comment, I don't have a problem with people having beliefs across the political spectrum or feeling free to express them. Systems and governments should stand up to scrutiny. You can't have free debate with the caveat 'but only if you say what I want to hear'.
Aug 14th, 2013 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It gets harder to debate when there is blind following of an idea rather than reality.
Just sayin'.
64 Captain Poppy
Aug 14th, 2013 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lightening! How many terminals / oil tanks/ refineries have you heard of that a lightning strike caused this sort of damage? Cross fires yes, deliberately set fires yes, lightning, cannot remember one, even in tropical Africa.
The engineering in the oil industry tries really hard to stop this sort of problem and it succeeds.
Perhaps some idiot “engineer” removed the protection for some reason and it never went back in place.
Dead Man Now Dead And Rotting would have been so pleased.
@65 Quite.
Aug 14th, 2013 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only in SA under the Bolivarian management philosophy. You heard of the X management theory,Y theory and of course the Japanese Z from the 80's, well the South American communist introduced their own theory....B. The Venezuelan petro business is a exemplary example of B management style.
Aug 14th, 2013 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lol
How could anyone with a brain cell look at Cuba or Venezuela and think ”yeah that place is rocking and I would love to be a part of it!
Aug 14th, 2013 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is something seriously wrong with that person.
For gosh sakes people risk their lives and the lives of their children to ESCAPE on a RAFT to get to the USA and away from that horrible place.
Several months of patrolling the Straights of Florida....will shock you to the bones to see what Cubans were will to use to make that 90 mile trek. Loaded with blacktips too.
Aug 14th, 2013 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 071. Yeah that is why when these Socialist idiots hold up Venezuela or Cuba as a model they'd like to follow I just can't believe it.
Aug 14th, 2013 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cubans literally cross shark infested water in something that barely floats to get to the USA. In their minds Death is better than Communism.
And these idiots think somehow someway somebody is going to do it better this time.
insufferable idiots
It's that wet feet/dry feet policy.....the thought of a green card.
Aug 14th, 2013 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not in any way defending the regime in Cuba but want to add a different perspective to this discussion. The idea that every Cuban is queued up wanting to float to the US, or that they long to be part of the USA is not one I ever encountered in Cuba by Cubans. They are proud to be Cuban. They want to have the freedoms and choices of a country like the US but they don't want to be taken over by the US.
Aug 15th, 2013 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0The US still spends millions broadcasting the American Dream to Cuba and people that buy into dreams are seduced by it. But we all know that is marketing and not reality. I am not knocking the US as I greatly admire a society that offers opportunity to many, though like all societies, it is not without flaws.
As one Cuban woman I spoke to put it, “We fear an invasion by the US because they think they will save us but we don't want to be saved by them”.
A young Cuban man with a choice of living with his father in Jamaica or his mother in Cuba unreservedly chose Cuba because there it was “safer, with free education and healthcare”. He said that Jamaica was a great place to visit but hell to live in.
And I give you the story of a young Cuban who talked two South African men into getting him out of Cuba to Miami. They bought his outrageous stories and arranged a false passport for him. Once settled in Miami he became terribly homesick and disappointed. He wanted nothing more than to return home.
This is not to say I could ever live willingly under such repressive and hopeless regimes as Cuba, Venezuela and, increasingly, Argentina. But we should shy away from the idea that absolutely everyone wants to live in Europe or the US. Sure I get asked about jobs all the time but the reality is that some could adjust and. others would hate the reality of live in another country.
My overwhelming impression in Cuba was that they were extraordinarily proud to be Cuban and wanted to improve their lives there but remain Cuban. I think this applies to a lot of countries.
Elaine......you ever spend months at a time in the Florida Straits picking them up? Maybe not vast majority of Cubans, but the amount is enough to give your a stiff neck.
Aug 15th, 2013 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@75 No, of course not. That isn't really the point I am making in my post.
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