Wednesday, September 25th 2013 - 08:05 UTC

Regulating financial markets is a human rights issue, claimed Cristina Fernandez

In her speech to the 68th United Nations General Assembly on Tuesday Argentine President Cristina Fernandez stressed that regulating the financial markets is a human rights issue and claimed that Argentina has been a repeat victim of shady financial entities such as the 'vulture funds', despite having repeatedly proved it is prepared to honour debt commitments.

“We have been serial victims of lobbyists, of vulture funds”

Cristina Fernandez said that having a home, job, hope and dignity are fundamental rights, and that citizens become repeated victims of speculators and financial lobbies.

“We see millions of unemployed in the world, a situation similar to what Argentina went through in 2001,” lamented the Argentinean President.

“We have been serial victims of lobbyists, of vulture funds, of those who bought bonds at knockdown prices, and that is the story of Argentina; but in a short time, it could be the story of any other country,” she added.

“We are not asking for anything, we are asking for the chance to pay. It seems absurd that we are not allowed to pay in a world falling apart, in a devastated Europe. Unless they want to punish us” said the Argentine leader referring to bondholders that refused previous debt swaps after the 2001 default, and who are currently locked in a bitter legal battle with the country.

Since 2008, she added, “[vulture funds] purchased bonds for 40 million dollars for which they now demand payment, outside the creditors' agreement, without deadline nor deductions, the entire amount of 1.7bn.”

Turning to the conflict in Syria, the Argentine president noted that a large majority of Syrians have died in attacks by conventional weapons.

“They have killed more than 150,000 people and 99.9% of those people have died by conventional weapons, not chemical weapons,” said Cristina Fernandez.

She recalled that at the most recent G20 summit in St. Petersburg, Russia the question arose as to what difference it made if a person was killed by shrapnel, landmine, missile, grenade or chemical weapons.

“There are not just wars; only peace is fair,” noted Ms. Fernandez.

Stressing the lack of action from the Security Council to reach a political settlement to the Syria crisis, Cristina Fernandez mentioned that Argentina held the Council’s rotating presidency during the month of August.

While chairing the Security Council thematic debate on cooperation between the UN and regional organizations on 6 August, Cristina Fernandez said she proposed reforming the 15-member body so that its decisions would be taken by consensus without the possibility of a veto, as it is done with success in several regional multilateral organizations.
 

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1 Welsh Wizard (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 08:58 am Report abuse
“We are not asking for anything, we are asking for the chance to pay.” And very soon the courts of NY may give you that chance. If they do, take it with both hands.

”They have killed more than 150,000 people and 99.9% of those people have died by conventional weapons, not chemical weapons.” The disappeared weren’t killed by chemical weapons so, when you look at it, its ok really.
2 Rufus (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 09:25 am Report abuse
“of those who bought bonds at knockdown prices”

And why would the bonds be at knockdown prices? Might it be something to do with the -60% rate of return?

“ we are asking for the chance to pay”

But only those creditors who've agreed to accept us ripping them off blind.
3 reality check (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 09:33 am Report abuse
Obviously does not know the meaning of the word shame!

The UN was not established for the purpose of recalcitrant debtors to come begging cap in hand, for preferential treatment on their debts.

I am surprised La Campora “volunteers” weren't in the forum, passing the hat around!
4 Brit Bob (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 09:36 am Report abuse
Shut up and pay up!
5 LEPRecon (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 09:58 am Report abuse
Refusing to pay back money to people who loaned it to you in good faith is a Human Rights issue.

Pay off your debts, you wastrels!
6 reality check (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 10:33 am Report abuse
Borrowing it without intending to pay it back is fraud!

Did they read her, her rights before stood at the podium?

More abuse of diplomatic immunity I suppose?
7 ElaineB (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 11:01 am Report abuse
What do you need to commit a crime? 1) The perceived Need, 2) The Opportunity to do it, 3) The ability to Justify the crime.

CFK is addressing number 3.
8 willi1 (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 11:22 am Report abuse
she´s so bloody stupid with her telling stories. the people get fed up of her. but she doesn´t realize it.
9 Redrow (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 11:23 am Report abuse
The Iranian speech at the UN used to be the amusingly deranged one, this year they have well and truly passed the baton.
10 Gordo1 (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 11:23 am Report abuse
Devastated Europe? Even Spain, Greece and Portugal are in a better state than Argentina!
11 Gonzo22 (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 11:58 am Report abuse
# 10 When we talk about Europe we are not talking about Spain or Portugal, you don't have to feel uncomfortable, after all Germany is saving you, don't be ungrateful. Greece is just a wonderful place and the Greeks are just great people, wonderful people.
12 golfcronie (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 12:09 pm Report abuse
When I lived in Greece it was the standard not to pay taxes, I think you will find the same in Spain, Portugal and Argentina.
13 Gonzo22 (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 12:19 pm Report abuse
# 12 Thoreau taught us how to live without paying taxes.
14 Condorito (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 12:40 pm Report abuse
@9 Redrow
Don't forget Chavez. He carried the “amusingly deranged” baton so purposefully.
15 LEPRecon (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 12:45 pm Report abuse
@13 Gonzo22

Did he also teach you how to live without healthcare, schools, infrastructure, electricity, and security?

There is no such thing as a free lunch. Everybody has to pay at some point. When it becomes a whole country that refuses to pay, then they end up in the same state as Argentina.

A country that has HUGE and VAST natural resources, that if properly managed would make Argentina one of the richest countries on earth, who could afford to have low taxes.

But what is Argentina? A badly mismanaged country, full of corruption, which implodes every decade, leaving the poor poorer, and the middle classes worse off.

Your infrastructure is crumbling. Your government is corrupt and has chased away foreign investment that could actually save you.

And all you can do is stand aside and applaud them for doing it.

You will pay for this, and so will your children and your children's children. All because you wanted something for nothing.

The world should make an example of Argentina and refuse to help you any more. You have shown yourselves to be a corrupt ungrateful nation and liars. You gladly accepted money from others, aggreeing to all of the conditions of the loans, knowing that you would renege on the agreements and wouldn't pay it back. That is stealing and it is a crime.

And on top of all this you cry out that you are the victims. Well you are not victims. I have no sympathy for you.

This looming default will really hurt you. Last time you defaulted on foreigners. This time you are defaulting on your own people. Soon there won't be enough money to buy fuel to keep the lights on. Soon there will be food shortages and riots.

Maybe one day, Argentina will remove these gangsters and vote in decent honest people, who ACTUALLY have the concerns of the people at heart. But there is no quick fix. No magic solution.

Fixing Argentina will take a lot or hardwork and sacrifice. But the truth is that the Argentine peope aren't prepared to work for a better life.
16 Redrow (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 12:46 pm Report abuse
@14
Quite!
Sadly missed - if only for his UN speeches.
17 yankeeboy (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 12:46 pm Report abuse
I wish the USA would pull out of the UN and make them move their HQ somewhere else.
Listening to these dingbats whine about crazy stuff nobody else cares about gets really old.

What a horrible and useless waste of money.
18 Falkland Islands (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 12:58 pm Report abuse
“We are not asking for anything, we are asking for the chance to pay......
what a load of old cobs! They have been asking for Arg land to pay, how many chances does the old cow need!!
19 sigi76 (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 02:07 pm Report abuse
# 15 I agree.
20 Welsh Wizard (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 02:29 pm Report abuse
I have to admit that I was quite sceptical when Elaine said the other day that even hardline Ks are starting to complain and realise that there is something seriously wrong with the current situation. However, it does seem to be true. My mother-in-law earns the same amount now as she did when Menem was in power. That was 6 years after she started working and 20 years later she is earning the same but with 30% inflation to contend with. This is someone who doesn't mind sacrificing some of their pay packet to help those worse off but now she sees that nothing sustainable has happened. I've tried to tell her that there is another way, that the country doesn't have to be run like this and that it is highly educated people like her who can change things by voting another way or educating those around them so that they can see what an empty promise looks like, so that they can understand when policies aren't sustainable and so they know what an inflated economy looks like. However, life is hard, she works all hours God gives her to look after her family and provide, she has to contend with all of the crap that everyday Argentina throws at her and she just doesn't have the energy to go out and demand change. She doesn’t want to vote PRO as she has a social conscience but she feels that a vote for a smaller party is a wasted vote. I drew a graph for her of the increase in earnings and earning power of a similar person in the UK to Argentina in the last 26 years and she just looked at it and shook her head in disbelief. When this crash happens, it is decent people like her who will be destroyed and for what? So that the corrupt people in power can just get richer.
21 yankeeboy (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 02:35 pm Report abuse
20. A Dictator like Pinchot is the only solution to that mess. He needs to get rid of all the thug/ crooks and their progeny, repatriate all of the wealth they have stolen, enforce laws, make people work and pay taxes. He needs to be in power for at least 30 yrs to fix it.
Mark my words even if the gov't changes the plight of the Rgs will remain the same.
Corruption is ingrained into their very being and it will take a lot of “re-education” to force it out of the society once and for all.
22 golfcronie (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 02:37 pm Report abuse
@15
Agree with you entirely, believe it or not I lived in Argentina in the 60's and even then they were lazy and did not pay taxes. They actually took pride in fact that they “ skived off work ” and openly bragged about not paying taxes.
23 Brit Bob (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 02:48 pm Report abuse
Five Reasons For Argentina's Growing International Isolation:

www.atfa.org/
24 Conqueror (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 02:56 pm Report abuse
@11, 13. Gonzo is a muppet! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzo_the_Great
This is a new incarnation, best known as Gonzo the Grate.

If “having a home, job, hope and dignity are fundamental rights”, why does she want to deny these “rights” to the Falkland Islanders?

“We have been serial victims of lobbyists, of vulture funds, of those who bought bonds at knockdown prices, and that is the story of Argentina; but in a short time, it could be the story of any other country,” This IS a problem. It can be countered. A first step is to be honest. Examples can be found by not trying to steal territory that belongs to someone else, not selling bonds that you have no intention of repaying, not “restructuring” a debt without negotiation, not prevaricating over repayment. Isn't not repaying debts because you're a state a “human rights” issue?

“We are not asking for anything, we are asking for the chance to pay. It seems absurd that we are not allowed to pay in a world falling apart, in a devastated Europe. Unless they want to punish us”. Go on then, pay. As a matter of interest, why are you in court in New York trying to avoid paying? As a further matter, as you like rabbiting about 40 non-binding UN resolutions, how many court judgements are there, around the world, that argieland refuses to comply with. There are over 100 in the United States alone.

“Stressing the lack of action from the Security Council to reach a political settlement to the Syria crisis, Cristina Fernandez mentioned that Argentina held the Council’s rotating presidency during the month of August.” And did nothing of significance. Who got in the way of a settlement? China and Russia.

“........Cristina Fernandez said she proposed reforming the 15-member body so that its decisions would be taken by consensus without the possibility of a veto, as it is done with success in several regional multilateral organizations.” Go on then. Let's see you persuade China and Russia to give up their veto.
25 Biguggy (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 03:44 pm Report abuse
Well as Argentina is an 'Implanted Population they do not have any human rights'.
Now where have we heard that before?
26 Casper (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 03:51 pm Report abuse
@21 Yankeeboy

Pinochet was just as corrupt - more so in fact - than the Kirchner's. He had tens of millions of U.S.$ at his disposal in dozens of bank accounts as well as the usual organised crime methods of moving and concealing large amounts of mullah.

It's a moot point of course. The chances of such a dictator attaining power in Argentina is roughly equivalent to the chances of Chavez rising from the dead.
27 Conqueror (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 04:25 pm Report abuse
@26 Do you have data on CFK's overseas bank accounts? How about what is in “the vaults”?

How many “decrees” has CFK issued? She has/had a majority in the Chamber of Deputies and the Senate. She could do anything she wanted. And she did. She IS a dictator. Tell us how she sits down and discusses things with “the people”. How she's always happy to take, and answer, questions from the press and public.

And I thought Chavez had risen from the dead. As a little bird that talks to a bus driver.

Seems to me that argies and venezuelans are equally brainless. And the infection is spreading into uruguay and brazil. Uruguay is nearly halfway there as it has a president who is a “dic”. Brazil is a bit farther back. It only has “di”. In the near future, much of latam will descend further into dictatorial ineptitude. 329 supposedly intelligent people can't stop a power mad psycopath destroying a country?
28 Casper (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 05:18 pm Report abuse
@27

Nope, I don't know how much CFK has in her bank accounts, vault(s) etc...but the general figure when this subject is raised is 20millionU.S.$. The Stolen Assets Recovery Initiative (StAR) report on Pinochet lists assets far exceeding the K's larceny.

CFK no doubt would love to be a dictator but her pretentions are not equal to her power - she has not been able to control the Supreme Court. She can't control the media despite her best efforts and she can't control the unions. She is not a dictator.

...and unless you're as loopy as Maduro you don't really believe Chavez has risen from the dead?
29 yankeeboy (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 06:13 pm Report abuse
There is over U$ 350MM missing from when Nestor was Gov of Santa Cruz, they have been getting a flat 15% brokerage fee from all trade into Arg from Venezuela for over a decade, plus the PALLETS of Euros they've been hauling out of the country for the last decade.
It's got to be over U$1B by now and that is probably light.
30 Alvaro Gremista (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 06:21 pm Report abuse
“Devastated Europe” but she and other who claim themselves socialists still love going to that same Europe. I've never seen those tossers going to Africa, India and Cuba in groups to buy plenty of stuff....pretty easy to get caught up in contradition, quite typical from them.
31 ChrisR (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 06:51 pm Report abuse
20 Welsh Wizard

Haven't the people like your MiL and my next door neighbours (lovely people, they come for the summer) brought this on themselves by their apathy?

My neighbour has told me “it is no good voting for anybody”. If only this section would vote en-masse for a non-Peron party they would win as there are only approximately 15M Peronistas if you go by the voting results.

I was dismayed by his obvious feeling of helplessness but unable to convince him that by not voting for any other party it was like voting for TMBOA.
32 Briton (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 07:01 pm Report abuse
Human Rights,

The person who ever came up with this idea?
Must be feeling pretty downhearted to see a great creation hijacked, by every wanabe criminal or dictator trying to get away with something,

Most of these leaders, who use it as common as washing up,
Should think of the same human rights they deliberately withhold from people in there own countries.
What about there rights..

justa right..
33 Casper (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 07:13 pm Report abuse
@32 Briton

What you write makes me feel sad. The phrase 'human rights' has been robbed of it's original power. I wonder whether our descendants will call this period The Age of Cynicism.
34 MagnusMaster (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 07:33 pm Report abuse
@31 you see, even if a non-Peronist party ever got elected they would soon be kicked out by the Peronists, who control everything, including the government, through the public employees. Remember what happened to Alfonsin? After De la Rua most people decided not to give any chance to non-Peronists since they couldn't rule over.
Non-Peronists can only be relevant if they play even dirtier than the Peronists but with all the cowards, mercenaries and idealists in charge of the non-Peronist parties that's not gonna happen any time soon. The best thing we can do for the time being is to vote for non-Peronists at least in Congress, but it won't do much.
35 slattzzz (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 07:53 pm Report abuse
Ah bless her she just doesn't get it does she.........................witch pay up
36 Think (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 08:03 pm Report abuse
Ohhh Englishmen……
Who knows thee well must quit thee with disgust.
Degraded mass of animated dust.
Thy love is lust, thy friendship all a cheat.
Thy smiles hypocrisy, thy words deceit..............
37 reality check (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 08:23 pm Report abuse
Wow that was really good think.

Did you write it, or was it someone else who could not get the better of them?
38 ChrisR (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 09:21 pm Report abuse
@ 36 The lunatic and “mendacious” Think, but best at downright lying.

Well I would rather be a dog than a Swedish argie arsehole like you.

“Epitaph to a dog” by Lord Byron no less.

Now we can add plagiarism to your long line of misdeeds. I was going to say human failures, but of course who considers you human? Swedish, no; Argentine, no; argie and therefore sub-human, yes.

Now urinate as you leave your hovel. Oh, sorry, you won’t understand that: PISS OFF!

There, I like to get things right.
39 The Truth PaTroll (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
Wonderful to see how Argentina is fighting for the Human Rights of North Americans, Europeans, Brits, etc, who are living under the yolk of too-big-to-fail banking unelected tyrannies.

Argentina is sacrificing its own well-being to teach the bankers a lesson, and it will benefit the citizens of all those nations who have not moved a finger to say “enough” of bailing out the rich with the taxes of the poor, of endless austerity, of endless government borrowing and budget deficits, etc.

Admirable.
40 yankeeboy (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 09:50 pm Report abuse
CFK's should spend her time in her own back yard giving the give of life to the poor living in wretched conditions on the banks of the Matanza-Riachuelo River Basin and the slums.

How many 100s of people die every year from that toxic mess?

Nobody is dying from bankers.
41 The Truth PaTroll (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 10:10 pm Report abuse
The Riachuelo is not good but is nothing compared to what happened in Europe or the USA just 50 years ago. For Juan's sake THOUSANDS died in the USA and Europe in cities do to thermal inversions trapping the pollutants!
42 yankeeboy (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 10:18 pm Report abuse
50yrs ago? 1963? Funny I don't remember anything about toxic gas killing thousands.
Got a link to that statement?

Well let's talk today. That disgusting witch of a Prez is going around spending 100000s on clothes and shoes while her people die on the banks of a river practically in the back yard of Casa Rosada.
Ahh Peronism, the laws are for thee not for me.
43 british bomber (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 10:36 pm Report abuse
If the America courts rule against the rgs then they will default and no bond holders will get paid. This speech proves it. America should put sanctions on the rgs but they are too gutless.
44 Gonzo22 (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 11:22 pm Report abuse
Talking about pollution and chemical weapons, here are some links with information

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange

www.policymic.com/articles/62023/10-chemical-weapons-attacks-washington-doesn-t-want-you-to-talk-about

www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/09/breathtaking-u-s-hypocrisy-on-chemical-weapons.html

rt.com/news/us-chemical-weapons-portnaya-152/

Man, that's creates a lot of pollution!
45 Anbar (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 11:23 pm Report abuse
Is she representing Iran ... Argentina or BongoBongo Land today?

Its hard to tell tbph....
46 Gonzo22 (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 11:36 pm Report abuse
BongoBongo man is not having a good time

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukip-mep-godfrey-bloom-disparages-women-drivers-feminists-and-mildmannered-men-8777141.html
47 Anbar (#) Sep 25th, 2013 - 11:42 pm Report abuse
“”“”Talking about pollution and chemical weapons, here are some links with information “”“”

yeah, here's another one for you:

saludify.com/monsanto-gmo-poisoning-argentina/

all those nasty greedy Americans forcing those Argentine companies to poison their own people... nasty mean Americans....nasty...
48 The Truth PaTroll (#) Sep 26th, 2013 - 02:16 am Report abuse
Yankeeboy is not here tonight because he has been “lockout” for hours at a shopping mall in New York.

Funny how I walk into malls in Mendoza and never give it a second thought. Americans go into malls and must surely thank God when they come out alive!
49 reality check (#) Sep 26th, 2013 - 02:29 am Report abuse
@38
Lmao.

You have got to see the funny side of it. Plagiarises one of histories greatest poets to slag of the English and of all people, it's lord BYRON!!!

Now, just a guess, but wan't he English? Like I said, Lmao!

Who is next I wonder? Will Shakespeare?

Can hardly wait!
50 St.John (#) Sep 26th, 2013 - 04:18 am Report abuse
I see the usual pitiful attempts to sidetrack from the subject of the article. Ignore them.
51 yankeeboy (#) Sep 26th, 2013 - 04:27 am Report abuse
Nope Toby I am here, I was just out at one of the amazing new restaurants that have just opened near me.
I told Voice I don't go to malls. In general they are for people that live in suburbs. We don't have malls in cities any longer. They went out in the 80s I think.
I heard the mall in Mendoza is much like what we call flea markets in the civilized world with lots of homemade craft types stores
That's nice.
It is good for peasants to trade for luxury items like tomatoes and bags of flour.
52 reality check (#) Sep 26th, 2013 - 04:57 am Report abuse
“Newsflash.”

It has just been announced that out of respect for the performances given by the Argentine president and others at the UN, the UN building NY is to be renamed
The “Roxy Theatre.”
53 A_Voice (#) Sep 26th, 2013 - 08:00 am Report abuse
You have just got to laugh at Yankeeboy's lack of knowledge of the US.......

....“We don't have malls in cities any longer. They went out in the 80s I think. ”

Manhattan Mall ....100 W. Broadway at 33rd Street....New York , NY 10001
www.manhattanmallny.com/index.aspx
He's really a Waiter in Mendoza.....he really is!
He must have got a new job in the restaurant....so yes, he was there... it's not all lies...just most of it!
.....Skip the salad ...and bring me my steak boy!
54 Monkeymagic (#) Sep 26th, 2013 - 09:58 am Report abuse
Truthtellingtroll

Sadly you are wrong again, Argentina is not doing anything as noble as “sacrificing it's own well-being to teach the bankers a lesson”. If you truly believe that then you are as thick as many of the other “Argies” that talk shit on these boards.

Argentina borrowed money. It borrowed money under certain legal terms. It knew these terms, it wasn't “tricked”, lied to, or “cheated”.

Argentina could not pay back these loans. it defaulted. If you or I did that we would have every possession we own taken from us until the debt was cleared....but no!

The very “cheats” and “tricksters” you complain about, let Argentina off the VAST MAJORITY of its debt, most agreed to take a very small % of what Argentina owed the. hardly tricksters and conmen, trolley, more like charities who saved your arse.

However, a few are holding out for what is ACTUALLY owed. So, rather than being trickster and conmen, these few are just asking for what Argentina agreed to pay, and is legally obliged to pay.

Everyone knows Argentina won't pay, it's unlikely even the charitable majority will get their share...Argentina as a country is dishonest, dishonourable lying and corrupt.

You could do so much better.

Now, before you go into some rant....when has the UK ever defaulted, when have we not met every single penny owed on any bond? Never, Ever...not charitable knock %'s but the full amount legally due.

You should be ashamed, but being an Argie you are proud.
55 yankeeboy (#) Sep 26th, 2013 - 12:40 pm Report abuse
Voice, you stupid retard, I am sure somewhere in in some US city there are still malls left over. Google is amazing makes you looks so smart! Have you seen one built since the 80s? Nope. They're as scarce as your intelligence.

Plus it looks like that “mall” consists of all the stores street fronting in one large office building. So a “mall” in name only.

So it's certainly nothing like your beautiful Lymoning mall with the luxurious Burlington Coat factory and gasp a Sears. I didn't notice does it have a gasp sunglass hut too! Wow! Anywhere that has a sunglass hut must be stylish.
56 A_Voice (#) Sep 26th, 2013 - 12:51 pm Report abuse
55
.....“I am sure somewhere in in some US city there are still malls left over. Google is amazing makes you looks so smart! Have you seen one built since the 80s? Nope. ”

I love proving you wrong every single time and indeed taking the piss out of you....
.....Yo ready for this.......
Manhattan Mall opened.....on July 31, 2009.......;-)))))))
Now where's my Steak boy....medium rare!
57 yankeeboy (#) Sep 26th, 2013 - 01:01 pm Report abuse
It's not a mall stupid. It is a collection of stores street facing.
Are you really that dumb?
That's how we build now.
58 A_Voice (#) Sep 26th, 2013 - 01:10 pm Report abuse
Oh no! Wrong again......
www.manhattanmallny.com/stores.aspx
Now take a look at the mall map.....;-))))))
...and

mall
/môl/
Noun
A large building or series of connected buildings containing a variety of retail stores.
Oh no.....if I was you I would slink off while the goings good....it can only get worse for you.....and why?.....because you are an idiot that thinks he's not!
59 yankeeboy (#) Sep 26th, 2013 - 01:38 pm Report abuse
“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

I give up, you tire me.
I think you have some serious mental issues much like Toby.
I give you points for tryng to appear sane though.
I now see why you go South to get to PA from VA
Makes all the sense in the world
60 A_Voice (#) Sep 26th, 2013 - 01:54 pm Report abuse
....that's right off you pop now
...“I now see why you go South to get to PA from VA”..???
WTF are u talking about....From the airport you head west along the toll then head North.....Where you get South from I have no idea....
When you looked at the Mall map in Manhattan....I bet you Gasped to see....what is that there.....yup it's a....sunglass hut ...must be a stylish place that New York..;-)))
Well I reckon I've milked you for all you're worth today....till next time...
61 yankeeboy (#) Sep 26th, 2013 - 02:01 pm Report abuse
New York Judge Thomas Griesa has ruled against Argentina's request to dismiss a lawsuit over the Central Bank (BCRA), which if upheld could allow holdout creditors to seize assets belonging to the nation.
“Vulture funds” NML Capital Ltd. y EM Ltd. filed the suit over BCRA seeking to establish the entity as one and the same as the Argentine state. Attorneys asked Griesa to announce BCRA as the nation's “alter ego” and responsible for an outstanding debt payment of 2.6 billion dollars.

Rut Ro
62 ChrisR (#) Sep 26th, 2013 - 04:51 pm Report abuse
60 A_Voice

Not to be too much of a pedant but your definition of a mall says “containing a variety of retail stores”.

Apart from the Starbucks (ugh!) and the Sunglasses Hut, they are ALL womens clothes, plus as an afterthought on one (I think) mens clothes.

WTF is the gun shop, or the bar, or even the toy stores?

Looks a bit like an over-blown dress shop to me.
63 yankeeboy (#) Sep 26th, 2013 - 06:12 pm Report abuse
Chris he googled mall/city and came up with that link. It's not even a mall as most people think of one.
My guess is he is functionally retarded and gets to play on the computer a few hours a day.
Sometimes it is fun to play with dumb animals but not today I'm just not up to the ridiculousness of it all.
64 A_Voice (#) Sep 26th, 2013 - 06:13 pm Report abuse
62
Look at level 2....Radio shack, Toys r us etc..
Gun shops....New York...waste of time the most restrictive State there is, I think...need a licence for everything....handguns etc...can't open carry.
New Yorkers need to slip over to PA to buy a handgun without a permit...on the sly!
Even Crossbow hunting is illegal in the state of New York....

Hah ha it's probably why the Mafia live and own great areas of the Poconos...
That's one place you definitely don't want to wander onto someones land....if you want to wander back off it again....as they are not likely to believe you.
65 ElaineB (#) Sep 26th, 2013 - 06:22 pm Report abuse
@61 That is not good for Argentina.
66 yankeeboy (#) Sep 26th, 2013 - 09:15 pm Report abuse
65. They are considering allowing seizure from all Arg gov't entities from ENARSA, YPF, Banco Nacion, Aerolinas and anything else they can find.
Going to be very hard for Arg to buy oil or sell grains if they can't use any of those entities for the transactions.
They better ask their buddies in Iran how its working out for them
67 NorskeDiv (#) Sep 27th, 2013 - 05:28 am Report abuse
Hey Gonzo, and Brasileiro, here are what your Russian buddies are saying about you:

rt.com/op-edge/brazil-protests-world-cup-014/

That isn't the only story like that, based on you guy's favorite source, Brazil is a nation headed for economic disaster and social chaos.
68 Ayayay (#) Sep 30th, 2013 - 12:07 am Report abuse
Ok, in her personal tweets (such as they can be ascertained to be), it's obvious she's a dim spokesmodel, but the speech given here could benefit from better writers.

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