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Falklands General Election: an important choice for a time of change

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The constitution of the Falkland Islands requires that a general election be held every four years to choose the eight members of the Islands’ Legislative Assembly or lower house of government. The next General Election is due to be held on November 7th this year. Read full article

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  • Conqueror

    This must be a good time for the Falkland Islands to be truly innovative. Is it really fair to ask 8 people to give up their jobs or businesses for 4 years, with no guarantee that they will be able to acquire new jobs or businesses at the end of their terms? For a total F£160,000. Suggested previously, but what's wrong with an “electronic” Assembly? How much could be achieved with video conferencing, encrypted communications? Take 8 40-foot intermodal containers and modify them as electronic communications units. Truck them to wherever they are needed, lay power cables and a new MLA is ready to go. They may not need to give up jobs or businesses. Just cut back a little. It shouldn't be seen as an excuse to leave MLAs unpaid. In fact, FIG should acquire helicopters and make them available to MLAs as necessary. Real 21st century innovation! And no-one should say that it can't be done. Has anyone ever tried?

    Oct 29th, 2013 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GALlamosa

    Quite a few factual inaccuracies in this.

    Oct 29th, 2013 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    It's not very clear from the article but I assume that 5 of the MLA's would be from Stanley and 3 from the Camp, but it implies that they don't have to be from the Camp.
    Or it may be that all eight could be from Stanley but 3 represent the Camp...which is not quite fair as MLA's from the Camp cannot represent Stanley but MLA's from Stanley can represent the Camp...
    Either way it wouldn't be a big problem to lay on a faster mode of transport for the 3 or Hi-tec communications...

    BTW....“Ah kennt his fayther” .....East or East Coast Scotland.....hehe or English pretending to be Scots.
    West Coast would be.....“Ah mind his fayther”......or negative....“Ah cannae mind his fayther”.
    .....just saying....

    Oct 29th, 2013 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #3
    Just a point. As a west coaster and Glaswegian, the expression I have heard and used is “I kennt his faither”. I thought that it was common parlance in Glasgow. It is the only one I can remember used by shipyard workers, dockers and “the working class”.
    Having lived in Ayrshire since 1971, this is the favoured expression here -again “ken” is used in everyday speech in this part of the world.
    Obviously your experience is different to mine.

    Oct 29th, 2013 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    The author put something Scottish in there deliberately because he knew it would generate 100+ comments and at least half of them would be about people proving or disproving their Scottishness or lack of other's Scottishness.

    As much as I love the Scots I've met, I've never been there and can only claim Scottishness based on some ancestors from Ayr.

    But please don't let me stand in the way of you being manipulated. It really didn't take long for the two that argue ad nauseam about Scotland to appear.

    Let the 100+ comments roll.

    Oct 29th, 2013 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    4
    You are so full of crap....
    You can't be born at Strone and be a Weegie.......
    Just because someone moves to Glasgow it doesn't make them a Glaswegian..
    Just like someone from Essex moving to London and calling themselves a Cockney...

    ....your credibility went out of the window when you referred to the Scots as Scotch....something a Yank or southern English would say....
    Nobody says Ken from the West Coast....ergo you are not....I doubt you even live in Scotland....
    I can rip your fictitious background apart anytime I wish ....with your current knowledge of the area you were supposedly born in.
    You probably have relatives from Scotland and refer to them for info...Why not ask them about the guy that fell forty feet off Scaffolding at Heatherbloom Strone last month...helicopter took him to Southern General....

    Haha tell me about the soldiers in your Close again during the war......do you even know what the Close is like where you were...“born”

    I suppose it's like the term Gubbed .....that you had never heard of....you know the one used in the Scottish Parliament.....;-))))

    “Obviously your experience is different to mine.” ....That's because yours is fictitious...
    5
    Hey Skip.....Ayr's a dump.....you are missing nothing....;-)

    Oct 29th, 2013 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @5

    I know, I know, but I cannot resist .....

    @6

    ”ken:
    To ken is to know. The past tense and past participle is kent.
    The word is in frequent everyday use everywhere in Scotland, with the exception of the Glasgow area.
    I kent I'd find ye here.
    ...D'ye ken wee Quigley fae Darvel?
    ...It's nice to see a weel-kent face.
    Ken is also used as a filler word to make a pause in speaking or add slight emphasis to a statement in the same way as 'you know'.
    Mickey Weir's no playin' for the Hibs the day, ken.
    I kent his faither is a derogatory phrase used to remind those who have achieved success (especially if achieved away from Scotland) that they are no better than anyone else.
    Burn's simple, defiantly human assertion that 'a man's a man for a' that' is inevitably recycled as the reductive and degrading putdown 'I kent his faither'.
    The word ultimately derives from the Old Norse kenna to perceive.”

    http://www.britannia.org/scotland/scotsdictionary

    Or in your short, you're talking out your arse again, and too dumb to ken it.

    Oct 29th, 2013 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    http://i0.wp.com/www.bored.me.uk/wp-content/uploads/Yes.jpg

    Oct 29th, 2013 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @8 Think

    Nice to see such fulsome support for the principle of self-determination.

    Of course, on the West Coast, nobody would say “Yes”. West Coasters would say ”Aye'. Although it looks like this time, they won't be saying either. I'm sure this will be a big disappointment in Argentina, but no doubt Anglophobia will continue to find an outlet through e.g support for the Taliban.

    Oct 29th, 2013 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    7
    ...And where do you think Glasgow is.....you idiot......that's right the West Coast....
    People West of Glasgow use Mind not Ken...
    You said......“The word is in frequent everyday use everywhere in Scotland, with the exception of the Glasgow area.”
    Where do you think Clyde says he's from?.....Glasgow area....a clue would be Clyde!

    Clyde15 said.....“Just a point. As a west coaster and Glaswegian, the expression I have heard and used is “I kennt his faither”. I thought that it was common parlance in Glasgow. It is the only one I can remember used by shipyard workers, dockers and “the working class”.

    http://www.scotslanguage.com/word/Jun-2007/mind___v.__remember,_recollect%3B_remind
    Mind has a shared Scots and English heritage, deriving from the Old English noun mynd 'memory, remembrance', though several senses of the word are now more frequent in Scotland than England
    http://www.scotslanguage.com/word/Jun-2007/mind___v.__remember,_recollect%3B_remind
    ”......I cannae mind his name.“

    Am I talking out of my arse you Numpty.....WTF do you know about Scotland....or better still....WTF do you know about anything?....Go back to your Internet knowledge...

    Let's consult the Oracle...
    http://www.scotslanguage.com/word/Jun-2007/mind___v.__remember,_recollect%3B_remind
    ”i've just read the article on Scots language which appears to be fairly accurate apart from the part where Glaswegian Scots uses the word ken(know). I'm sorry but that term just simply is not used in Glasgow or anywhere in West Central Scotland, that term is primarily an east coast and central term.“
    ...and
    ”The above poster is, I think, correct. Maybe historically 'ken' was used in Glasgow, but I live here now, and I've never heard anyone use it--most Glaswegians tend to associate it with Edinburgh and Aberdeen. ”

    Oct 29th, 2013 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @11

    Among the muckle points you are missing, is the one that “I kennt his faither” is a common expression, and even the inhabitants of Glasgow have absorbed expressions originating in the rest of the country. As Clyde so rightly pointed out. You might also bear in mind that “mind” does not mean the same as “ken”, any more that “remember” means the same as “know”.

    Tube.

    Oct 29th, 2013 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    11
    People on the West Coast do not use any tense of Ken....
    .....mind is used as a past tense instead of knew....“Ah mind his fayther”....I knew his father or I remember his father....
    Where exactly have you lived on the West Coast of Scotland.....that you know how they speak.....?

    Dickhead.......that not being a diminutive of Richard...

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    By John Fowler - MercoPress - Stanley
    Is MercoPress funded by the British in Malvinas?
    Didn't know that :-)

    Question
    What's the salary of the colonial Governor Nigel Haywood?

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 04:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Answer:
    Less than the President of Argentina.

    Next stupid question please!

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 04:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Thanks Joe...for not answering the question I guess.
    Question for a real kelper..not a wanna be
    What's the salary of the colonial Governor Nigel Haywood?

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 04:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    15 Marcos Alejandro

    I can't tell you how much the Malvinas G'vernor (really) makes. That's a well guarded secret but......

    I can tell you that by “rolling” just two (2) of the many English Super-Heads on them Islands you could easily pay the salaries of the eleven members of that Municipality’s Legislative Assembly....

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 05:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @15 and @16

    No one knows what the governor of the Malvina's makes, because there is no such place as the Malvina's.

    This is obviously why you keep getting confused.

    How about this for a question Think. How long does someone or their family have to live in a country to be considered that nationality? 1 generation? 2 generations? 3 generations? 8 generations? 35 generations?

    Please do tell, because you always avoid answering, knowing that the answer would blow all your little hate filled turnipy 'arguments' out of the water.

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 06:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord Ton

    How much would you get if you ”rolled' just 2 of Argentina's 'super-heads' Think?

    I'm talking cash - you wouldn't get any sense out of any of them !

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 06:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Falkland Islands

    @13 There is no Colonial Governor in the Malvinas, but there is a Governor in the Falkland Islands. If Argentina took the Falkland Islands, there would be a Colonial Governor there, like there was in 1982. How much was the wage for the Colonial Argentine Governor in 1982?

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    Just for the record Aztec Camera is or not Scottish?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkzxU8MxuDQ

    ha ha

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @15
    You are about 20-30 years behind the times-please try to keep up .

    As the Governor no longer has a vote regarding legislation for the Islands he can no longer be a colonial governor.

    A colonial governor rules the territory they are governor of-as Hayward cannot vote, (as the Governor of the Falklands could in the past)-he cannot instruct FIG what to do.

    If you want to know what he earns (as I do not know), go to the Falkland Islands and ask him.

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • smoko1

    According the FCO the FI Governor receive £ 83,333 plus house, car and other expenses. Satisfied? Other interesting question from you side? I doubt! cheer!

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Benson

    @MA
    “By John Fowler - MercoPress - Stanley”
    Mercopress aren't exactly renowned for their proof reading, probably a typo.
    “What's the salary of the colonial Governor Nigel Haywood?”
    Paid by the FCO not FIG (fairly sure but could be wrong) so probably better off asking them.

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @6 A_Voice,
    Whats your impression of Dumfriess?
    Genuine query, l've not been there yet.
    My Dad says, y'ken & hes from Yorkshire.
    But l think he picked it up from Scots that he worked with.

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    The ersatz Scot? has spoken ....AGAIN. The expert on ALL things Scottish but is not one himself. Oh dear, you seem to go ballistic when anyone questions what you say. Before I posted my mild comment, I thought, this is going to conjure up a load of invective and bile against me. Then I thought, do I care ? NO. From someone who will reveal nothing about his background what he says is of no importance to me.
    I am sorry for the other posters who have to put up with his mercurial rants.
    “you even know what the Close is like where you were...“born”
    Not now as that was 71 years ago.
    Looking at Heatherbloom from the shore wall, it had two stories. Our apartment was the attic dormer on the right with an outside toilet and NO electricity. This came later. In the back green was a washhouse and there was an iron gate leading to the wood. Immediately to the left was a large boulder about 6 feet high. A small burn was on the right and it flowed under the house - in a culvert I presume-to empty on the shore. The wood was mainly Scots Pines if I remember correctly and climbed up to the high road. In the woods near the pier my brother and ”Shell“ Mitchell buried Shell's pet spaniel and marked the grave with sea shells. It was still there in the 1950's but I presume it has gone as the wood has been felled and replanted twice since then.
    Of course I have no current knowledge of anyone in Strone or the area. The people I knew have either moved on or died. I know the area geographically and remember specific places and events and that's about it.
    Ponder on this, you keep calling me a liar and infer that I am being ”fed” information by other people. I can just as easily lay that charge against you. You have no background that I can say anything about.
    For all I know you could be on the staff of MercoPress, employed to stir up controversy ! My 2000 characters are just about used up.
    Now off to B&Q--10% pensioner's day

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • RICO

    #13

    Presumably whenever you see a foreign correspondent reporting you assume the media outlet has relocated to the place the correspondent is reporting from.

    The last colonial governor of the FALKLAND ISLANDS was expelled after the Islands liberation in 1982. His name was Brig. Gen. Mario Benjamin Menendez. He was unelected, appointed by an alien government, and given absolute power. He had zero experience of civil governance.

    To his credit, when told by the President of Argentina that he should fight on until half of his 8,000 troops had been killed and 75% of his ammunition had been spent , he looked at his injured men, took account of the fact that he was an insurmountable distance from Argentina and would never be given new supplies or reinforcements, took account of the reports that plummeting moral might lead to civilian massacres and took the wise decision to surrender the same day as he took the Presidents call.

    As to the salary for an Argentine Brig Gen, it probably was a pittance compared to the money that could be obtained by corrupt Argentine officers that were in favour with the regime. Sadly he fell out of favour and was arrested a year later.

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    24 Isolde
    Dumfries and Galloway......
    I can't answer that question...it's lowland just over the border with England...unless you are a tourist it's off the beaten track....the A74M the main western route to Scotland. For me it lacks the drama of the highlands though I can see a range of hills like a mini highland as I pass by on the A74M heading north.
    If Clyde15 is really living in Ayr he would probably know more, as likely he may have taken the A75 (through Dumfries) to head for a trip to England rather than heading for the major motorway.
    If you are genuinely interested I could take a detour and look at it the next time I'm driving that way....
    As Hans mentioned ken is from old Norse and “beyond my ken” is quite common in English, also if your dad is from Yorkshire...the folk from Yorkshire are very much Danish/Norse decent....Whereabouts in Yorkshire?

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #24
    Yes, Clyde15 IS genuinly living in Ayr and has been since
    Dumfries is quite a pleasant little town but the Solway coast is really worth seeing.
    I pass through it several times a year on my way to the WWT reserve at Caerlaverock although the only time we stop is to go into Morrison's supermarket for some shopping on the way home.
    The best scenery is

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conor J

    Need to finish?

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redp0ll

    @28 Cealaverock? Don't mention Greylags as our correspondent A Voice will probably report you to MP for racist comments Clyde!

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    28
    The best scenery is.....
    What happened...you didn't die did you?
    I give you a great intro for birds and the Solway Firth mudflats...sand dunes...and bird nature reserves....
    It wasn't the excitement was it?

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • dab14763

    ken is from Old English, not Norse

    http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=ken&searchmode=none

    ken (v.) “to know,” Scottish dialect, from Old English cennan “make known, declare, acknowledge” (in late Old English also “to know”), originally “make to know,” causative of cunnan “to become acquainted with, to know” (see can (v.)). Cognate with German kennen, Danish kjende, Swedish känna. Related: Kenned; kenning.

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    I hit the keyboard by accident and it sent the incomplete message !

    Yes, Clyde15 IS genuinly living in Ayr and has been since 1971, prior to that Glasgow from 1946 to 1965, then Bearsden.
    I realise that you asked about Dumfries, but apart from the Burn's connection, it's just a pleasant enough rural town. Ayr has the real thing in the Burn's heritage centre and cottage in Alloway.

    Anyway, the best area scenically is to take the A710 from the Nith at Dumfries and have a look at Sweetheart Abbey, then continue on to Arbigland, the birthplace of John Paul Jones. This road gives good views of the Solway.
    We usually go into the RSPB reserve at Mersehead, further on.
    At this time of year there are up to 20,000 Barnacle geese in the area.
    Again, a bit further there are the villages of Rockcliffe and Kipford on the coast-, well worth visiting. The road then goes inland to Dalbeattie- nothing to see here - and then you can either head back down the coast to Kirkcudbright or continue to Castle Douglas.
    If you are anything like my wife, you will be spending money in either place !
    Kirkcudbright is famous as an artist's town as it was home to an artist's colony in the very early 20th century. There are quality jewellers and about 4 Art galleries and craft shops including a museum and the Tolbooth gallery.
    Castle Douglas is an excellent shopping centre. It has not been invaded by the High Street stores. Close by is Threave Gardens owned by the NT for Scotland and Threave Castle is also close by. The stronghold of the aptly named “Archibald the Grim”.

    Just another point, the way I go south is to take the A70 from Ayr to Douglas and join the motorway a few miles on. It's 37.5 miles from my house and takes about 50 minutes. The border is reached in another 50 minutes. The Cumnock to Dumfries road is twisty with very few overtaking places and full of container lorries.

    I see I have grossly digressed again !!

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    32
    http://www.britannia.org/scotland/scotsdictionary/k.shtml
    ◦ The word ultimately derives from the Old Norse kenna to perceive.

    http://www.britannia.org/scotland/scotsdictionary/k.shtml
    Northern and Scottish dialects from Old English cennan (“make known, declare, acknowledge”) originally “make to know”, causative of cunnan (“to become
    acquainted with, to know”), from Old Norse kenna (“know, perceive”),

    http://www.britannia.org/scotland/scotsdictionary/k.shtml
    Middle English kennen, from Old English cennan to make known & Old Norse kenna to perceive; both akin to Old English can know — more at can
    First Known Use: 13th century

    .....do I need to go on?

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    Ken, from old English Ken ya, Africa.

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conor J

    Can I ask? What are you lot actually arguing about? I sought of lost track, well......immediately.

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (36) Conor J
    You ask...:
    “Can I ask? What are you lot actually arguing about? I sought of lost track, well......immediately.”

    I say....:
    Apparently, they are discussing about that bonnie language my tall, Drakkar sailing, ancestors taught their ginger Pict Albion servants some millennia ago.....

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conor J

    @37
    And I say that you decided to be cocky and make a pathetic political comment in an attempt to get me to fire back at you, am I right?

    You claim to be of Scandinavian stock right? Well the Anglos, Saxons, Frisians and Jutes were all Germanic/Scandinavian in origin and didn't so much teach the language but rather drive the Scots as you know them today out of what is NE England and into the lowlands. The Scots gradually began to convert over to the English language from around the 10 century, but that is in its self a guess as its difficult to determine the exact dates.

    I dont understand, you make fun of the Scots but then wish for their independence from, and I quote “English Yoke”

    Oh and btw the Scots are not of Pict Origin, the Scots came from Ireland and gradually drove them out into the South were they were gradually consumed by both Viking raiders and the Germanic tribes. The truest Britons of them all would be the Welsh.

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • alan

    @33 Clyde
    Its a bit since I have been in Ayr. Quickly reading through your posts(apologies if you have), you haven't mentioned one of my favourite places near Ayr - the Electric Brae.

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (38) Conor J

    You say...:
    “And I say that you decided to be cocky and make a pathetic political comment in an attempt to get me to fire back at you, am I right?”

    I say...:
    Me cocky ???
    Anyhow..... Just for your info, the English language (modern and Old) is nothing else that an dialect of the beautifull Proto Scandinavian language.....
    A bit like Portuguese, Spanish, French and Italian are mere dialects of the noble Latin........

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redp0ll

    @33 Thanks for the travelogue which you yourself admit is way off topic and a gey awfu way to Stanley or Goose Green
    On the other irrelevant topic on this thread, D'ye ken John Peel? Dont think as a Cumbrian yeoman and master huntsman he would have any interest in Scotland unless one of his foxes swam the Solway. As for that Yankee rebel John Paul Jones, didnt he come back and rubbish his birth place?

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    Hey Think

    Are you ever going to answer my question or, like a coward, are you going to continue to run away?

    Mr Think, who can't think, who can't even answer a VERY simple question.

    Who keeps on about make believe stuff and doesn't like in the real world.

    Tell me, Think. Just how long does someone have to live in a country to become that nationality?

    Try 'thinking' about it.

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (41) redp0ll

    Che, botija.....
    Your Scottish is way better than your Uruguayan.....
    How comes?

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Marcos 15 - you will have seen the Governor is employed by and paid by the British Govt and his salary is irrelevant to us. We pay for the upkeep and staffing of Govt House where he lives and holds official meetings and hosts visiting dignitaries as Govt House is the “seat” of the Govt of the Falkland Islands - like the House of Lorsd and the Queen,s Throne is to the British Govt.
    But - the actual real voting power is held by our Elected Legislative Assemby
    and their members who hold the votes in the Executive.
    Just as real power in Britain is help by the elected MPs in the House of Parliament and the Cabinet of the ruling party.
    Now do you understand that with us, the idea of a “Colonial Governor” became extinct a deacade or two ago - its just a wee bit sad that you Argentines want to turn the clock back and go against all forms of modern democracy and return us to 19th century style Imperialism.

    Think - there are 8 MLAs once elected next week - the others who attend meetings are mere civil servant officials who attend meetings and have NO vote- All Conmmittee meetings are chaired by an elected MLA - and the House in session is presided over by a Speaker.
    Currently the Chief Executive on paper does still answer to the Governor - but that bit of paper was overlooked at last review and the new Assmbly will indeed be getting it changed so that he answers to them. In practise he has been answering to them anyway, its just the paperwork tecnicality that needs to be- and will be updated.

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conor J

    @40
    English is a Germanic Language!?!?!?!?!? NO!!!!!!!!!!

    No shit Sherlock!

    “Noble Latin”?? You Latinos crack me up!

    I thought you were Scandinavian? 1066 cough cough.

    You need to pick a nationality and stick with it, Argie?

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (44) Islander1
    Don't change the subject!
    We are talking Scotland here ;-)

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    ops sorry! justrying to get back to the title issues! A lovely country is Scotland- allegedly am a descendant of the Macfarlane Clan - got less interested though when I found that they themselves were outlawed by the more civilised Clans back in the 1700s!
    Expect that will be a cue for some to come in with something about “some people never change in their theiving history”!
    Driven around a fair bit of Scotland and ther Isles on holidays over the years -good luck to them in their Referendum - whichever way they go.

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    :-)

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • alan

    @41 Redpoll
    John Paul Jones came back to the other side of the Solway from his birth place. He landed at Whitehaven and facts are a bit thin on the ground. Basically it is felt some customers from the local pubs repelled the 'invaders' and John Paul Jones left - he was actually from Kircudbright on the Scottish side of the Solway. It cann't have been too bloody as the American Navy frequently send a representative to Whitehaven to remember the incident. It is possibly the last time a 'invasion' actually landed on UK/English soil. There was certainly no 'rubbishing' of the place - only some irate pub/inn customers.

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redp0ll

    @ 49 Yes alan know the story. just trying to tweak our doohaimer Clydes leg
    48 Wey aye Think hinny, canny man. Reet grand to see ye back. Thee catched up any boony truties wile the was awa on the brew?
    (On the brew = drawing unemployment benefit for them as divent speak Geordie)
    Elimentary examination of an English dictionary would indicate that perhaps more than a luinguistic verbal moiety derives from Latin radicals of their language
    So think, excercise for today, oh pensive one. Translate that into Anglo Saxon.
    Write on one side of the page and dont forget to put your name on the top

    Oct 30th, 2013 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • rupertbrooks0

    13 Marcos Alejandro

    It is unlikely that Sir Nigel’s salary would have decreased with a new posting. He previously held the post of UK Ambassador to Estonia. The average salary of a head of a diplomatic mission is £80,000. He will of course receive additional allowances such as paid school fees for any children in Britain, rent free accommodation at government house in Stanley, free travel back home, a moving allowance etc. These are of course pretty standard for diplomats from all countries.

    As has been pointed out numerous times previously, the governor is not a colonial governor, but instead represents HM the Queen in her absence and is appointed by her on the advice of the FCO. He is therefore de facto head of state in her absence. As such he retains, like the Queen reserve powers. These are only used in an emergency, such as during a coup, or threat of invasion, and have never been used since the posttion of Falklands governor was first instituted in 1842.

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  • A_Voice

    38
    “Well the Anglos, Saxons, Frisians and Jutes were all Germanic/Scandinavian in origin and didn't so much teach the language but rather drive the Scots as you know them today out of what is NE England and into the lowlands”

    Not sure what History book you've been reading...but that's a new one on me...
    The Scots didn't occupy the NE of England..their kingdom was Dalriada (Argyll)
    The Angles occupied the NE of England..Bernicia and Deira....the Scots were trying to expand their kingdom at the expense of the Strathclyde Britons..the Picts and the Angles.
    Aidan MacGabrain, King of the Dalriada Scots met Aethelfrith, King of Bernicia at the Battle of Degastan to the north east of Gretna and was defeated in 603 AD. The defeat was so utter that the Scots were not able to expand into the rest of Scotland until they combined with the Picts over 200 years later...
    So the Angles didn't drive the Scots anywhere....it wasn't their land it was the Picts....
    ...and it was the Picts that won the battle of Nechtanesmere (also known as Dunnichen) in 685 AD when the Picts destroyed the Northumbrian army and were thereby able to expand southwards as far as Lothian....finally establishing a border between the Angles and the Picts.

    50
    Geordie!!...Ah divvent knaa aboot tha it sounds more leik Mackem te me yee knaa or worse..... a Monkey Hanger !
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PrMaVjHS74

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  • redp0ll

    @52 Mackem? Sunderlands not doing too good in the Premier League at present. Thanks for your link to the Geordie anthem but my comments were more directed at our fishing sage of Chubut to whom the Ballad of the Lambton Worm would be more appropriate perhaps?

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  • Conor J

    @52
    “The Scots didn't occupy the NE of England..”

    I should have used the term Britons there when referring to the people of what became NE England but at the same time was using 'Scots' as a generic term to describe the various Irish tribes, who migrated over to Britain. They were mostly know as Scots as you know who had largely displaced the Native Picts into, as you said the Strathclyde area. The tribes of the North had been in control of what became NE England for some time before the Germanic, (notice I used the word Germanic not refereeing to any specific tribe) drove them out, and then as you know the area exchanged hands between England and Scotland before the border became settled.

    My response was largely to get Think to tell me why he mocked the Scots and promoted the Germanic Scandinavians and then the next minute he wanted them free from “English Yoke” He would never admit to being a hypocrite I think.

    My argument was also meant to explain to thinky boy that the English language naturally evolved and became the de facto language of Scotland.

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  • redp0ll

    To our favourite mangelwurzel in Chubut
    Chuckle chuckle
    I say
    Perhaps my reference to the Lamton Worm ballad was inappropiate
    Chuckle chuckle
    I say
    Perhaps the west country song “The Fly be on the Turnip”might be more to his liking
    Chuckle chuckle
    Come on Thinko. Wheres your Skandahovian sense of humour if you ever had one

    Oct 31st, 2013 - 03:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    16 Think
    Thanks.

    51 rupertbrooks0
    He was the the colonial governor of Basra, Iraq, as well... after another illegal invasion of course. What a coincidence!
    First a Crown Colony then a British Dependent Territories and later
    re-named again as the British Overseas Territories , one thing in common though, an English colonial governor still keeps a close eye on a few hundred sheep.

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  • DanyBerger

    ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Call me when you finish with your fairy tales from Hollywood about Scotland, tank you...

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  • lsolde

    @27 A_Voice,
    l mentioned Dumfries because Dad's Grandmother came from there.
    Died before l was born, of course.
    Dad's family came from near Leeds.
    @35 DanyBerger,
    FYI, lts pronounced Keen ya, not Ken ya.
    @54 Conor J,
    Many threads ago l tried to pin down our elusive snake(aka señor Think)about his sweeping statement that Scotland is under an English “yoke”.
    l asked him for an example & of course, he couldn't give me one.
    Never did get a reply, although he squirmed & deflected as much as he could until the thread ended.
    l'll be extremely surprised if you receive a coherent answer.
    @Think,
    The challenge is there Herr Think,
    “Please give us all a modern example of Scotland under the English yoke”
    We await your revelations with bated breath.
    Here is your chance to redeem yourself, oh perfidious one.

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  • saphira

    @55 it's 'The vly be on the Turmut ;)

    Oct 31st, 2013 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    @56 Marcos Alejandro

    Haha! But not Argentine.

    Oct 31st, 2013 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • knarfw

    Hadaway and shite.

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  • redp0ll

    @61 Wey hang on a minute marra. If he gans to the netty and coups his creels its thee task to fish the booger out.
    Isolde: As to Thinks honesty a jury under Scots law would probably come to a verdict of “not proven”

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  • A_Voice

    62
    you may laugh... but Geordies speak the oldest living English...
    The only part of England where the original Anglo-Saxon language has survived to any great extent is of course the North East.
    Geordie and Northumbrian words are more than 80 % Angle in origin, compared to standard English, where the figure is less than 30 %.
    Many old words and phrases commonly used in the old works of Chaucer and Shakespeare which are no longer used in other parts of Britain have survived as common usage in the North East.
    ”Aaal Larn yer (meaning I'll teach you) as in the Anglo Saxon Laeran which meant teach.
    Gan which is the Geordie and Anglo saxon word meaning to go.
    Noo gis a bottle a Newkie Broon an a packet ah tabs I'm gannin yearm.

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  • redp0ll

    63 No I am not a Geordie born and bred. You Private Booby Thompson? His video is a bit old hat but its a great way to larn yersel Geordie even if you dont come from Percy Main or Shields
    You are right of course. When the old ferries were running from NoT to Stavanger the stevedores undertood thier Norwegian counterparts perfectly ( or should I say porfectly?)
    Thanks for your invite to a broon, but I prefers ambers- in the back bar at Bamber's mebbe?

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  • screenname

    what a car crash of a thread this is...well done A_thinko

    64 redp0ll:

    Sorry to be pedantic, but Bobby Thompson didn't speak with what would now be regarded as a Geordie accent or dialect (although it would be closer than the mangled attempts by A_thinko), he would have used the word ken though.

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  • A_Voice

    65
    WTF are you talking about......Bobby Thompson was born a Mackem but lived all over Tyneside....Only a regional would be able to spot the difference ...90% of his accent is definitely Geordie with a bit of Mackem thrown in.
    How would you know...what do you know about the North East....that's right...nothing!
    Besides what more can be said about the article....a bunch of nobodies getting elected in the windblown arse end of nowhere is going to have a great impact on the rest of the world.....big deal.
    This thread has been an insight into British culture and history on a local level....
    If you haven't got anything interesting to say....don't say Fcuk all....
    Better still go and answer the door instead of hiding behind the curtains and give the kids some sweets for trick or treat....the weather's crap and they have gone to all the effort.....

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  • screenname

    @66

    chuckle chuckle

    Bit touchy Thinko. If you don't want to be criticized, then don't try and pretend to be an expert in an area where you clearly are not.

    I don't know what this 'trick or treat' is: is it anything like 'penny for halloween', but with kets? As for the weather being crap, well it was a tad overcast and windy yesterday, and actually rained on Tuesday, but I managed to get back to some sunbathing earlier today.

    Oct 31st, 2013 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    Yes Ket is regional North East for sweets or rubbish depending on where you are North of the Tees or South.....
    ..and the penny is not for Halloween it's a penny for the Guy...Guy Fawkes....and yes I am a bit of an expert on the North East.....
    ...Next...

    Oct 31st, 2013 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redp0ll

    @64,65
    Well I bow to your superior local knowledge
    To get back on topic Voice. You may think that those MLAs getting elected in the wind blown arse of the world isnt important. Possibly yes but it is important for those who have made thier home there

    Oct 31st, 2013 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • screenname

    @68: “...and the penny is not for Halloween it's a penny for the Guy...”

    a statement showing you are nowhere near as knowledgeable (or old) as you would have people believe.

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  • A_Voice

    No one does penny for Halloween....they don't even do penny for Guy anymore...
    ...and who said I was old.
    It's all the American trick or treat...with pumpkins instead of....dare I say it.....Turnips...Hey Think...you don't have copyrights on the word Turnip do you? ;-)))

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  • Escoses Doido

    @68
    North East of where exactly are you an expert on?

    Oct 31st, 2013 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Oh look its pantomime democracy.

    Fooling no-one.

    Oct 31st, 2013 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    Too many people on here who are not From the places they would like to be from, yet still purport to 'know' said places better than the natives.

    The mind boggles at the level of conceit involved.

    Oct 31st, 2013 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    72
    What is the point in making a comment like that?...you obviously haven't read the posts......Bernicia and Deira....obviously....

    Oct 31st, 2013 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    75
    The comment applies in general to mercopress posters, and not specifically related to history. (Which anybody can be an expert at on google)

    Oct 31st, 2013 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    76
    yeah ok right....I refreshed the page...read the post @67 ...searched for the unusual meaning of the word Ket then put a general search for the “Penny for”.....and found Penny for the guy...read both ...then wrote a reply and sent it.
    All in under 5 mins....
    Why don't you try it and time yourself.....
    ....or it's because I already knew the info.......Jeez...
    So why not tell me where I would like to be from.....what are the merits ...and why I would desire to come from there....
    My guess is you read the one post and thought I was referring to the North East of Scotland of which I know very little about...apart from it's colder and dryer than the west and less or no midges...

    Oct 31st, 2013 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    77
    What is your fixation with the UK in general, and Scotland in particular?

    Do you want to break away from where you grew up?

    Oct 31st, 2013 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    78
    It's not a fixation.....if someone mentioned....what is it you do...Oil Rigs?... would you chip in because you have a knowledge of it?

    ...I don't live where I grew up...who does, I country hop..I get about a bit.

    Oct 31st, 2013 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    79
    But you seem to be declaring yourself an expert on said countries you are 'hopping' on.
    How do you do that?

    Oct 31st, 2013 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    80
    Not at all .....Bernicia and Deira are historical regions that I have a particular interest in and a fair bit of gathered knowledge that's all....
    As for other places ....only if I have spent a lot of time there....

    Oct 31st, 2013 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    Tell us about Argentina then, whats it like there from your experiance?

    Oct 31st, 2013 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    Tell us about Glasgow Airport then, whats it like there from your experiance?

    Oct 31st, 2013 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (71) A_Voice

    You say...:
    It's all the American trick or treat...with pumpkins instead of....dare I say it.....Turnips...Hey Think...you don't have copyrights on the word Turnip do you? ;-)))

    I say...:
    Nope............., only on the Chuckle chuckle's©
    But the English pirates have no respect for their next property......
    I have even been told that “Turnip” is being used as a “mild reprimand” at Puerto Estanley's English pubs…..

    I'm not worthy!

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  • Escoses Doido

    83
    I did not grow up in Glasgow airport, but I'll wager you grew up in Argentina.

    Is it your mother or father who's Scottish?

    Oct 31st, 2013 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Don't tell him, Pike!

    Oct 31st, 2013 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    Brilliant, episode.

    Oct 31st, 2013 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    Opps I got my orders from Captain Mainwaring
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V3SqxUomwk

    Oct 31st, 2013 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    'Oh, fancy that'

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  • Clyde15

    #83
    I will tell you about MY experience of Glasgow Airport although you will disbelieve it as how could a “non-Scot” know this.
    I first went there (Renfrew airport” ) with my Dad in about 1950 via the Whiteinch ferry and the tram car to Renfrew. The main excitement was watching 602 Squadron flying their Vampires.
    Civil flights were few and far between then. The tempo picked up when the civil flights expanded but for me the interesting stuff was the Scottish Aviation factory maintaining Canadair Sabres and CF-100 Canucks. I got a huge fright when I saw a Sabre with German crosses on its wings flying over my local park. The German air force was being equipped, in secret, with modern aircraft being updated and readied at Renfrew and Prestwick. I remember one of these aircraft went through the sound barrier over Glasgow and there was a government denial of this. The official line was that”the RAF had no aircraft capable of breaking the sound barrier”. Quite true but it was a German aircraft. I had watched it through an old pair of binoculars, but who would believe a 10 year old kid.
    The airport closed in 1966 when the new airport at the former RNAS station, HMS Fulmar at Abbotsinch was opened. Part of the M8 motorway used the old runway's line at Renfrew.
    When I was old enough to travel on my own, I used to go to Abbotsinch to watch and take pictures of the Fleet Air Arm aircraft coming and going. To get there, I would take a 9 or 26 tram,get off at Yoker, cross on the ferry and walk through the Blythswood estate to the metal swing bridge over the river cart. The aircraft flight path was adjacent.
    In my mid-teens I used to go to the air shows there. With a few of my pals in the ATC we sneaked through the fence to get to a group of Avengers destined for the Dutch East Indies and relieved a few of them of their altimeters as trophies.
    With HM Customs,I never worked there but used to visit to photograph any interesting aircraft.

    Back to Voice to call me a

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  • A_Voice

    Phew ....Abbotsinch....B&Q.......Stinky..Boggin...Mingin...peg on the nose...

    Nothing up to date Clyde...tell me the visual differences that are now in place and what you can't now do since the terrorist attack....or describe the departure route for an international flight or describe the arrivals area....what is there etc...
    You could be an ex-pat.
    I don't doubt you are British...you write like a Brit...you think like a Brit...

    Oct 31st, 2013 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #91
    Stinky..Boggin...Mingin...peg on the nose.. Your personal description ?

    I have not set foot in the airport since 2007. The only time I go there now is to meet my sister off the Flybe flight from Exeter. I take the lane to the terminal, drop off my wife at the PICK UP POINT (NAUGHTY ME) . She does the long walk to the domestic arrivals at the far end of the terminal, meets my sister and I return about 15 minutes later to the pick up area and then offski.
    The last time I was here was 8 weeks ago.
    I could have driven up to the airport and done a recce and answered your points but can't be arsed.
    I could have given you minute details of the buildings and procedures from friends who travel regularly or even from the Glasgow airport web site. However, unlike you I am not devious in everything I post.

    You seem to have a fixation on me being an ex-pat. Why ? Everything I have said about myself is true. You obviously take deep umbrage about me disagreeing with your own SUPPOSED knowledge of the Scottish tongue, Glasgow slang etc.
    I would guess that most posters here would accept my background as I accept, in the main, where they come from. If they are covering up their nationalities then they are simply liars and their opinions must be coloured by this.

    From my point of view, your pronouncements could easily be gleaned from information supplied from friends or lifted from Wiki. You say you are not British, so that makes you, by definition a foreigner. You refuse to give any pertinent information about your background but you demand it from others in a rather supercilious and boorish manner.
    No one is asking for an address or any information that could lead to your doorstep.
    Place of birth, school attended, university (if applicable).is all that is required.
    Hiding behind anonymity is rather cowardly
    Until you can come clean, then there must always be a doubt about your motives.
    As for. .you think like a Brit...is this a compliment ?

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  • screenname

    @92 Clyde15:

    A_ThinkoVoiceDoD's backround is quite irrelevant, he is simply very good (but far from perfect) at accessing research. Unfortunately his ability to form a balanced opinion from findings seems to be zero.

    Perhaps because his lack of first hand experience leads him to include incorrect data?

    Nov 02nd, 2013 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redp0ll

    @80 Bernicia and Deira indeed. Didnt King Raedweld knacker that lot on the Idle? But Radwelds chief claim to fame was to install central heating in his palace using leak proof radiators, so theres a bit of specious folk lore to add to your collection

    Nov 02nd, 2013 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    94
    Ho ho ho ...Very funny....I once tried that in a leaking car radiator and it never worked....
    BTW...It has been suggested that the East Anglia Angles were Roman Auxiliaries and were established there at the time of the Romans and would have seen the Northumbrian Angles as a new threat...and power struggle hence the battle.
    ....and they would be familiar with central heating (hypocaust) from the Romans...a good example can be seen at Chesters fort at Hadrian's wall...so not so far fetched.

    93.....you are backing the wrong horse......
    Watch this.......
    Hey Clyde..
    “Stinky..Boggin..Mingin..peg on the nose.. Your personal description ?”
    Not my opinion...anyone that is familiar with Glasgow's Abbotsinch..visited B&Q there or even driven over the M8 White Cart Viaduct would immediately know what I was talking about.....the open air sewage treatment plant...phew..peg on the nose...boggin...mingin...stinky.
    Yes that's right...not something that would be found on the internet but very familiar with everyone's nose....but not you eh!
    Now try and tell me that you don't drive over the M8 White Cart Viaduct when you come from Ayr to Glasgow...;-)))
    I add these little tidbits...only a local would know...to give you the opportunity to exclaim....“yeah you must be talking about the stench from the Sewage plant”
    .....Ho hum....

    Nov 02nd, 2013 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    @Clyde15

    OOps!!!! caught lying by A_Voice on the fly...

    @A_Voice
    He is living in Argentina or nearby : )

    Nov 02nd, 2013 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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