Monday, November 11th 2013 - 23:46 UTC

Falklands oil companies bombarded with warning-letters from Argentina

Argentina has begun a determined campaign to deter companies from drilling for oil in disputed waters around the Falkland Islands in the south Atlantic. On the eve of a visit by UK parliamentarians to Buenos Aires this week, the Argentine embassy in London warned that legal action was being ramped up against drillers and their suppliers, reports Terry Macalister in The Guardian.

Argentina considers that companies such as Premier and Rockhopper are operating in a clandestine way

 More than 200 letters have already been sent to oil companies, City analysts and the London Stock Exchange, explaining that Argentina considers that companies such as Premier and Rockhopper are operating in a clandestine way.

Embassy sources said access to the “highly promising” shale gas and other deposits onshore, and offshore around Argentina, would be denied to any company drilling off the Falklands, Malvinas Islands for Argentina.

“It is a political issue. If you find that shale in Argentina is good business then you would not get involved in exploiting offshore these Malvinas islands. You would automatically be banned,” said an embassy source.

Premier, which took over operating the Sea Lion project, at the end of 2012, said considerable work had been done in the first six months of this year on a scheme to produce the first barrels of offshore Falklands oil.

The company said it planned to extract 284m barrels of oil from the north part of the field before moving on to get a further 110m barrels from the south.

Tension was raised this summer after Argentina's ambassador to London, Alicia Castro, described UK Prime Minister David Cameron's attitude to the territory as 'stupid'.

Argentine embassy sources in London said they were frustrated by Britain's refusal to discuss the islands' future despite requests from the UN. Cameron has publicly rejected Argentina's claims to the territory, saying if its inhabitants choose to remain British he backs them “100%”.

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1 toxictaxitrader2 (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 12:21 am Report abuse
Much good it will do them!
Don Quixote rides again ?
2 brasherboot (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 12:23 am Report abuse
Legal letters to companies outside of Argentine jurisdiction.

I may as well send a 'legal' letter to Kirchner saying Im taking her to a British court for wearing a loud shirt in a built up area.
3 Escoses Doido (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 12:39 am Report abuse
Scan the letters, store them, and when the RGs come begging, use them to make the mutha fos enjoy a reduced gain.

Oh, kirchner you are priceless.....
4 Anglotino (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 12:51 am Report abuse
Finally Argentina is able to get its military to bombard the Falkland Islanders into submission and prepare it for the glorious reunion with the motherland…….

Huh? What's that…. oh! Bombard with letters.

PMSL that is all Argentina can bombard with these days!
5 nerosaxo (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 01:12 am Report abuse
LETTER BUMS !
6 bushpilot (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 01:38 am Report abuse
Does anyone know what kind of legal action Argentina has taken against Falkland oil companies in the past?

Even if the action was unsuccessful, is there a specific company that Argentina has brought to court for their oil exploration and drilling activities in the Falklands?
7 FarmBoy (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 03:41 am Report abuse
Not many oil companies would risk investing in Argentina right now anyway. Their investments may simply be appropriated by the government.
8 Doggy Rap (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 03:45 am Report abuse
@ 6 bushpilot

“Does anyone know what kind of legal action Argentina has taken against Falkland oil companies in the past? ”

They have been crying their eyes out in court (and the UN, where the listeners got so bored they removed their earplugs) - perhaps not quite legal actions, but as close as they can come without risking seizure of Tango-1 or Timerman's tie and rented jacket.
9 Marcos Alejandro (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 05:44 am Report abuse
Almost bombarded by European space junk as well. Nothing is going well for these pirates.
Stealing is bad karma.
10 RICO (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 06:03 am Report abuse
After years of saying the drilling is illegal they are now saying it is a political issue. After years of saying they will prosecute the companies they now realise they were talking rubbish and cannot do it and instead threaten not to grant contracts to exploit gas reserves in Argentina.

Who would want to do business in Argentine, you would never get paid for your gas and once the business is up and running the thieving basterds will steal it from you.
11 reality check (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 06:22 am Report abuse
I expect these letters are being filed in the appropriate filing cabinet.

You now, the cylindrical metal one that is kept in the corner and emptied by the cleaning services every night.
12 stick up your junta (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 07:14 am Report abuse
This is the BBC

Last night saw the heaviest raid by the Argentines, when they unleashed a massive thousand bomber onslaught, carpet bombing London with tons of angry letters, dust carts and road sweepers were drafted in from across the country to deal with the mess.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu4Rr07bgVQ
13 zathras (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 08:20 am Report abuse
“Argentina considers that companies such as Premier and Rockhopper are operating in a clandestine way”

Maybe this is lost in translation.
But the oil companies seem pretty open.
So not sure what this clandestine activity is?

Given the choice of working with the democratically elected Falklands government or the Argies I know who well all trust.
14 Xect (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 08:27 am Report abuse
Sometimes you've got to laugh at their irrational behavior!

@9 - Marcos for once I agree with you. Stealing is bad karma, lets hope Argentina learns from its mistakes and pays out on YPF the most recent company it stole along with all of the money stolen from the bond holders.
15 Orbit (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 09:21 am Report abuse
Sending junk mail without proper authorisation carries heavy fines. On the positive side we have excellent recycling facilities, and I dare say we could go one step further and put these into Christmas crackers. Although I think the “my dogs got no nose” one will still hold its crown.
16 Gordo1 (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 10:08 am Report abuse
These letters should be returned to sender!
17 FI_Frost (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 10:20 am Report abuse
Its no sweat to anyone sending these letters to (currently) small time local oil exploration companies - their sole purpose is finding oil in the FI.

I note however Noble Energy weren't or still aren't on the 'black list' of prescribed investors in any future Argentine energy exploration deals; banning the big boys who can invest large sums of hard currency takes real backbone and conviction; they may be cowardly but not stupid. All a bit of a sham, bit like like KFC leasing a plane from a 'Pirate' British company to dodge the Repo Man.
18 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 10:28 am Report abuse
Let me see. Argentina threatened this what 18 months ago? Two years ago? In all that time have any of these companies thought twice and stopped investing? Erm? No. No they didn't. I think that the bolt has been shot.
19 Falkland Islands (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 10:32 am Report abuse
the trolls keep harping on saying that there is no oil, so why are they all flustered about it ha ha.
20 Conqueror (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 10:50 am Report abuse
@13
clandestine (comparative more clandestine, superlative most clandestine)
1.Done or kept in secret, sometimes to conceal an illicit or improper purpose.

I think I can “explain” this. The argies think that the Falkland Islands belong to them. Right? But none of these oil companies have gone to the argie “authorities” and asked for licences. The only fault in the “reasoning” is that it isn't exactly secret. But then, who would expect an argie to use intelligence or simple logic? As far as translation is concerned, I note that the French, Italian and Latin words are much the same. I expect pig spanish is as well.
@14 Wonder if argieland has ever heard of “slant” or directional drilling. There are several forms of directional drilling, e.g. horizontal drilling. Wouldn't “shale gas and other deposits” be suitable for horizontal drilling? Just imagine if a company drilling in Falklands waters happened to drill horizontally and found “shale gas and other deposits” and sucked them out! Just imagine if “argieland's” on-shore and off-shore deposits were all linked way underground. They might all “disappear”. Could be a real bummer!
21 malen (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 12:01 pm Report abuse
Greenpeace should be aware of possible damage in South Atlantic environment, so near Antártida, any kind of filtration will affect a vast area of sea and natural resources, specially South America and Antartida.
22 FI_Frost (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 12:34 pm Report abuse
@21 malan

I'm sure all correct regulatory processes will be followed regarding environmental safeguards etc, as per the North Sea, offshore Brazil and many other places.

The Falklands Islands will be no different and likely stricter in certain areas.
23 malen (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 12:39 pm Report abuse
If Greenpeace is so worried about oil exploration near the Artic for its consequencies in environment, the same should happen so near Antártida.
They should do sth.
24 Teaboy2 (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 12:54 pm Report abuse
@Malen - Greenpeace have bigger problems in russia to deal with!!
25 malen (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 01:06 pm
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26 malicious bloke (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 01:18 pm Report abuse
Impotent rage and advanced littering. Just the sort of hilarity we've come to expect from argentina.

Please don't ever grow up, you guys are a comedy goldmine!
27 andy65 (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 01:32 pm Report abuse
@ Marcos Alejandro, says “Stealing is bad karma”

Have you tried telling Kirchner this??

http://100r.org/corruption-allstars/
28 FI_Frost (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 01:46 pm Report abuse
@25 malan

I suggest you contact Greenpeace ASAP regarding their view on this and also Brazil's offshore program if you are so concerned. Appreciate if you can post back your findings.

Oil exploration here is in the Falklands internationally recognised territorial waters. Its not in the protected Antarctic region, hence I doubt Greenpeace have any active policy.

Of course, Greenpeace could just be a front for Anglo/USA/Mossad/CIA/MI6 interests. Just sayin.
29 El capitano (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 02:04 pm Report abuse
Ahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...ROFLMAO..06:00 hrs here in BC Canada..just sat sipping my first cup of java and getting my fix of laughter for the day...Gotta hand it to these Argies they sure have a great sense of humour...!!
30 Brit Bob (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 04:44 pm Report abuse
Argentina Threatens UK and Falkland Oil Companies With Legal Actions

(5th February 2010).

en.mercopress.com/2010/02/05/argentina-threatens-uk-and-falklands-oil-companies-with-legal-actions

(they even threatened to use the ICJ).

But why is it taking so, s o , l o n g ??
31 reality check (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 05:14 pm Report abuse
They can't find a no win, no fee lawyer, willing to take on the case!

That would be my guess.
32 dab14763 (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 05:52 pm Report abuse
“If Greenpeace is so worried about oil exploration near the Artic for its consequencies in environment, the same should happen so near Antártida.
They should do sth. ”

Malen, as of 1998 there is a 50 year moratorium on mineral exploitation in Antarctica, except for scientific research.

see articles 7 and 25
www.ats.aq/documents/recatt/Att006_e.pdf

So far only Argentina and Australia have presented extended continental shelf claims for Antarctica.
33 St.John (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 06:59 pm Report abuse
@ 21 malen

I suggest you tell Greenpeace about your worries. At the same time you can tell them that Argentina exists. Then they will “indubitably” demand Argentina removed because it pollutes the world with nonsensical letters and wastes whole forrest to spread spam nobody cares about.

The British Falkland Islands are more than 4,400 km from the South Pole, while e.g. the oil fields in the North Sea are less than 4,000 km from the North Pole.
34 Briton (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 07:02 pm Report abuse
And once Again where is the UN nowhere
Threats- and the unmighty UN does nothing,

The UN is a disgrace,
CFK is a disgrace,

Still,
Look on the bright side,
They can threaten
They can argue
They can cry
But the British Falklands will remain in safe hands,
Lolol..
35 ChrisR (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 08:00 pm Report abuse
I wonder if the letters are written in Spanish?

It would not surprise me at all.
36 Teaboy2 (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 08:13 pm Report abuse
@25 - So you childish little boy, you can not come up with a decent constructive comment and instead revert to replying my post (@24) by using Spanish to try and hide your insult towards myself and my chosen username, by calling me a teabag guy 2. This despite the fact i said nothing offensive or provocative - Just goes to show that you really an immature little boy!!

By the way Malen, the dutch verb for Malen means “To Grind” and we all know you like to grind against your keyboard, as your incapable of getting a girlfriend - LOL
37 St.John (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 09:11 pm Report abuse
Hrm, Malén is a girls name.
38 Anbar (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 09:15 pm Report abuse
letters... hmm... yeah, that'l work.
39 Teaboy2 (#) Nov 12th, 2013 - 09:42 pm Report abuse
@37 - Its also a boys name too.
40 CabezaDura (#) Nov 13th, 2013 - 12:30 am Report abuse
Oil and politics is always an explosive mixture, hopefully nobody will go and do something stupid this time round.
41 Marcos Alejandro (#) Nov 13th, 2013 - 05:14 am Report abuse
36 Teaboy2
I know you are too young and don't know the difference yet.
Malen is a girl.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSv-5kjiwn4

40
I know your position about the government, but what's your position about Malvinas?
42 CabezaDura (#) Nov 13th, 2013 - 10:39 am Report abuse
41) I think the Palacio de San Martin must organize itself get the facts together get some good international lawyers and then the whole thing must be taken to the ICJ after all the veterans are dead on both sides
43 Idlehands (#) Nov 13th, 2013 - 04:52 pm Report abuse
I wouldn't be surprised if the next Argentine move will be to make their Nay's number one mission to disrupt the oil development as much as possible. Whether it can operate in open ocean is debateable but they'll want to make it as awkward and expensive as possible.
44 ChrisR (#) Nov 13th, 2013 - 06:42 pm Report abuse
43 Idlehands

Can't see that happening once a sub has lauched a tube fired cruise missile at the first capital ship to try it.

Won't that be the Libertad?

Ha, ha, ha.
45 reality check (#) Nov 13th, 2013 - 09:03 pm Report abuse
No, if there are any problems along those lines it will be by Fat Toni and is like, whilst they turn a blind eye or to use their in vogue word, clandestine support!
46 Pete Bog (#) Nov 13th, 2013 - 11:24 pm Report abuse
One question-all these oil companies drilling in the sea around the Falklands-are they interested in shale field drilling? What happens if they specialise in off shore drilling?

@7
“Not many oil companies would risk investing in Argentina right now anyway. Their investments may simply be appropriated by the government.”

Which won't happen under the FIG-its that simple.
47 GFace (#) Nov 14th, 2013 - 05:35 am Report abuse
@42 CD once again: by the time all the 82 veterans are dead and buried the self-determination of the Islanders will be even more solidly and irrevocably asserted by the Islanders themselves-- further solidifying the rights they already have under international law and the UN charter and even further alienating Argentina from its non-claim that it dare not pursue in the ICJ or in any other appropriate venue since “all the facts together” and all matters of law rest clearly in favor of the Islanders right to self-determination which trump all.
48 CabezaDura (#) Nov 14th, 2013 - 11:46 am Report abuse
47)If Argentina is going to lose simply on the terms of the free determination argument of a population that has being there for over 180 years then I don’t see the difference with another 40 years.
I just think an ICJ ruling will end all this political coming and going.

The matter would be if the British argument is a squatter argument or is it one that has a historical backing…
Personally I think both sides have weak arguments in that regard, but it would be the objective of the Argentine diplomacy to have its case pulled through in the ICJ

I think the danger with all this business is that some stupid Argentine nationalist go over and play the patriotic gamble in order to achieve glory and fame and attempt boarding a oil-rig as if it was the same as waving a flag in a cemetery or land in a little island and have some mates on the beach, I think that in this case the British answer will be shoot first ask questions later. I believe it will all end up in tears
49 Monkeymagic (#) Nov 14th, 2013 - 12:04 pm Report abuse
Cabeza

There are no political comings and goings...the “progress” Argentina claims to make is all bullshit.

All that happens is that the Argentine government spends millions of tax payers money on trips to UN and various irrelevant comittees and a tired looking Mark Lyall Grant repeats the same line “the only people who you can talk sovereignty to is the islanders”

We even set a meeting up, which your government ignored.

I don't believe it will end in tears, because on the whole Argentines are cowards. Be it silly Toni and his flag burning in BA, Timmerman shitting his pants in London at thought of meeting Jan Cheek, or CFK refusing proper press conferences...cowards.

The thought of coming face to face with a few Royal Marines would be sufficient to keep fat Toni and his bunch of weirdo ladyboys safely in Buenos Aires being as ineffectual as Dany Berger.

The islands belong to the islanders, Argentina will continue to use the Malvinas myth until one day someone shows the Malvinistas that they've been lied to...who cares....it keeps the Argentine populous amused whilst the Kirchners rape them...better than another revolution.
50 CabezaDura (#) Nov 14th, 2013 - 12:33 pm Report abuse
49) I can say a lot of things about Timerman and CFK nothing of them good, but not wanting to met up with this woman you speak of is simply avoidance if anything not cowardice. The same can be said about CFK not giving a press conference.
You are a far more fanatic about the islands than the average Argentine, you just don’t realize it, you think the argentines are thinking in Malvinas from the moment they wake up to they go to bed and you are wrong

BTW I still believe you are going to become paper tiger is the future if you are not so already
51 GFace (#) Nov 14th, 2013 - 02:16 pm Report abuse
CD, the Islands are no more squatters than you are or me and the rest of the Western Hemisphere countries for that matter -- indeed, they are probably considerably less “squatty” than lots of us. Also the ICJ has made their stance favoring self-determination very clear and the UN GA reaffirmed it for ALL people despite the attempt by Argentina and Spain to team up and nullify it - that attempt for special pleading got voted down pretty hard.

“I can say a lot of things about Timerman and CFK nothing of them good, but not wanting to met up with this woman you speak of is simply avoidance if anything not cowardice. ”

Well they have this resolution 2065 that they creatively interpret leaving out the islanders interests (which carry the legal day) that they always roll out saying they have to talk. A golden opportunity to be a statesman emerges to show that AR is complying with 2065 and is on the moral high ground. And he “avoids.” He could have been a statesman and gone Nixon-goes-to-China and move FI-AR relations further then anyone has in the past decade. He could have been pugnacious and laid down the Sudentenland-is-German tripe (and yes that IS what it looks like for those of us outside the bubble) for the Malvanistas' consumption. He didn't. He “avoided” it. And doing so vacated 2065 and made your diplomatic efforts seem incredibly weak and indeed fearful.

Sorry, CD, but no ICJ and no 2065 = no true claim. Just gainless and goalless companying to anyone who will hear like bitter and toxic neighbor complaining to everyone on the block over the placing of a fence where he and “everyone” KNOWS he's right (but when push comes to shove won't take it to court) -- and of course a distraction from their domestic policies. And waiting is just going to make the claim weaker and weaker and the Falklands self-gov goes further and further towards the possibility of further independence and even commonwealth status at which point it will be gone forever.
52 CabezaDura (#) Nov 14th, 2013 - 02:37 pm Report abuse
@51 I’m not a lawyer and I don’t know nor really care who the islands belong to, what I’m saying is that Argentine diplomacy must present to the ICJ the legal and historical motives to why it considers the Islands are Argentine and following this it must demonstrate why legally speaking the free determination principle will not apply in this case for X reason. If it achieves this or not is another matter, but it will defuse the conflict and allow the parties involved to move on. Non binding resolutions are useless.

And forget Timerman and CFK they are yesterdays news in the scale of things here
53 GFace (#) Nov 14th, 2013 - 04:05 pm Report abuse
@52 Yes, they should present their best case. (I obviously think it's a losing one.) But they certainly should not wait for the last 82 soldier to die since AR's case will not get any stronger, only weaker while the Islanders case can only strengthen. And the sooner the conflict is defused and resolved Argentina can focus on its own problems and FI and AR can try to recover from this decade, 1982 and the rest of the problems that have been exclusively of Buenos Aires' making. At best AR and the FI can eventually be neighbors, even friends once the governments in BA show good faith towards the Islanders rights but as of now? There can be no talks without the Islanders and your current government fears being seen at the table with them. One can hope that the next one will be different but...

As for forgetting Timerman and CFK? Indeed yes, they will be gone and good riddance though I feel sorry for the people who will be cleaning up after them. But will the next government show the same diplomatic immaturity and short-sightedness as the current one, or will it take their best case to the ICJ (then loose in my wager and then have to go home), or will they take a bold stem and recognize the rights (and even the defacto existence) of the Islanders and at minimum enter peer-to-peer talks on relevant issues? I'd like to be hopeful for either option but I'm not optimistic. That Malvinas Bell is just too irresistible to ring and as I said above, they will have plenty that they have many things form which distract the electorate thanks to the current gov.
54 CabezaDura (#) Nov 14th, 2013 - 05:52 pm Report abuse
The next government hasn’t being left with much leverage nor maneuverability in diplomatic terms, it will inherit all the Latam movement to block the islands, Gaucho Rivero law, etc it’s not something that will grant them a single vote but only backing out from that will get them in trouble and get accused by hard-line sectors of the extreme right and left of being weak handed, but having said that I doubt it’s going to be as rhetorical as this one…
The only thing that can be a game changer is as I said this business of the oil exploitation, there could be something happening in that regard I believe

At one point I guess Chile will become a natural moderator in any diplomatic re-composition process and a negotiator by de facto between Argentina and the FIG

But I think mostly this issue will remain in the shade as there will be far more pressing matters to attend to, probably we will split from the ALBA bloc and distance from Venezuela, Ecuador and Bolivia, the latter which will have to be dealt with because that is from where all the drugs are coming in from.
The next ones will have to be more outgoing than the isolationist policies of the Kirchners.
55 MagnusMaster (#) Nov 14th, 2013 - 08:45 pm Report abuse
@53 ”But will the next government show the same diplomatic immaturity and short-sightedness as the current one, or will it take their best case to the ICJ (then loose in my wager and then have to go home), or will they take a bold stem and recognize the rights (and even the defacto existence) of the Islanders and at minimum enter peer-to-peer talks on relevant issues? ”

The next government will definitely continue with the same policies but hopefully better diplomacy, a defeat at the ICJ or a recognition of the islanders' rights will be political suicide AND would cause another war as the people aren't going to tolerate defeat. The government will not back down if the people don't, and trust me, the people aren't going to back down anytime soon.
56 CabezaDura (#) Nov 14th, 2013 - 09:31 pm Report abuse
55
I think you are exaggerating there is not going to be a war but there might be a radicalization of Malvinistas, and it will be a political suicide of a government granting islanders any rights or recognition, you are much more closer to the Argentine political reality than GFace.

However the prospect of any serious talk as I see it is going to be in a future 40-50 years when no single veteran of 1982 is alive. In political terms things are recent and haven’t changed much on the ground
57 malen (#) Nov 14th, 2013 - 11:35 pm Report abuse
it seems greenpeace is worried the same about climate change near the Artic as near Antartida.
www.greenpeace.com/argentina/Global/argentina/report/2013/cambio-climatico/Greenpeace-rechaza-las-perforaciones-petroleras-en-el-Atlantico-Sur.pdf
Common sense, drilling how many pozos, 6 or more, all arround the south-most south zone of the atlantic, so dangerous waters, so risky, so near antártida, so near south america, only and only to bring energy to 3.000 persons or less, has no sense.
58 Pete Bog (#) Nov 15th, 2013 - 12:12 am Report abuse
@57
The oil is for export as the Falkland Islanders are replacing their use of oil with renewable energy-please note 40% of the islanders energy is currently (that is to say, now, not in the future),provided by renewable energy-the highest proportion in a country anywhere in the world.

Even the UK airbase will shortly receive much of it's energy demands from wind power-reducing (by the way Malen, that is the opposite of increasing), the need for oil.

The Falkland Islands record on organic farming and wildlife conservation is amongst the best in the world.

You seem to be totally ignorant of the lengths that working parties in the Falkland Islands have gone to to prevent an oil spill disaster with their industry.

Also I doubt Greenpeace will be over- impressed with the Argentines that club seals to death in the Antarctic, the Argentine policy of overfishing that threatens wildlife in the South Atlantic and the overuse of pesticides due to genetically modified crops in Argentina that cause children to have the most horrific skin burns and illnesses.

I bet Greenpeace will be more impressed with the Falkland Islander's record on conservation than Argentina's.
59 malen (#) Nov 15th, 2013 - 12:37 am Report abuse
so, so much environmental risk for money has less sense.
How are you gonna prevent an oil spill disaster??Which industry??have you any industries??
60 CabezaDura (#) Nov 15th, 2013 - 12:52 am Report abuse
58) Well Argentina is no clean player but it’s not that the islands have much margin of getting it wrong on the environmental front... I think something like 40% or more of Argentine farmland was certified organic some years ago but of course most of that was Patagonian windswept pastures for sheep! To be fair you should compare the Islands Vs Tierra del Fuego or London vs Buenos Aires. You cant compare Argentina of 40 million vs the Malvinas/Falklands
61 A_Voice (#) Nov 15th, 2013 - 01:51 am Report abuse
58
They are more civilised in Scotland....they shoot them!
But you can sign the petition to stop it happening here.....

www.marineconcern.com/index.asp?pageid=478756
62 Anglotino (#) Nov 15th, 2013 - 03:34 am Report abuse
They shoot Argentineans in Scotland?

Think must be so conflicted.
63 yankeeboy (#) Nov 15th, 2013 - 02:29 pm Report abuse
60. You forgot to mention most of Patagonia is owned by Americans trying to protect it from Argentinians trying to ruin it.
64 CabezaDura (#) Nov 15th, 2013 - 02:39 pm Report abuse
God knows…. I don’t know how he is going to do that by donating his land back to the same people that purchased public lands for $7,5 per hectare in Santa Cruz

www.lanacion.com.ar/1584143-tompkins
65 yankeeboy (#) Nov 15th, 2013 - 03:04 pm Report abuse
If the Ks are in power much longer they'll just nationalize it “FOR THE PEOPLE”
Filthy criminals
66 CabezaDura (#) Nov 15th, 2013 - 03:39 pm Report abuse
No dummyboy haven’t you read the article and listened to Tompkins?? His purpose is to donate it to the State for making national parks.

Good man with good intentions, but frankly naive.
I think he received a unfair treatment by CQC and the rest of the Argentine media. Ignorance, chauvinism and stupidity doesn’t forgive a American enviromentalist to have land but it allows and turns a blind eye to a Italian one or Argentines that are not at all philanthropists and did not acquire honorably the lands in the case of the Ks

However most of his land is in the cordillera alongside the Chilean border, he doesn’t account for all the organic farming land in Patagonia which is a 1/10 the size of Europe, he has up to 850.000 ha
67 yankeeboy (#) Nov 15th, 2013 - 04:00 pm Report abuse
CD, You seem really angry now. Is it because chicken went up 30% this month?
You should buy sugar before the collapse so you have something to trade that is worth a bit more than your body.
68 CabezaDura (#) Nov 15th, 2013 - 04:10 pm Report abuse
yankee I'm fine, thank you. No need to worry about me.

Still waiting for payment ??
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O-QqC9yM28
69 yankeeboy (#) Nov 15th, 2013 - 05:25 pm Report abuse
Who is still waiting for payment? Singer? He'll get it and so will all the other holdouts.
It is just a matter of time
The piper must be paid
You can always eat Soy
70 CabezaDura (#) Nov 15th, 2013 - 05:38 pm Report abuse
I can only recall having tasted organic soybean once in my life time… Not that bad as you think.

It’s a matter of time…..yes…. before you get said the same old D word again….Still you can have a protest in front of Griesa's court
71 yankeeboy (#) Nov 16th, 2013 - 01:25 pm Report abuse
The mishandled default did't save Argentina anything. You still owe all the U$ /Interest and you've lost the good will of investors.
So default away
No skin off my nose
I'd never loan an Rg anything
72 CabezaDura (#) Nov 16th, 2013 - 03:13 pm Report abuse
Well not any longer ar least.... ;-)

Now get over it
73 GFace (#) Nov 16th, 2013 - 05:08 pm Report abuse
@56 (Dude, nothing epitomizes the definition of “realpolitik” than ”Hopeful but not Optimistic). Seriously though, I will certainly agree that after the war generation is gone, there may be better hope for civil relations between AR and FI but it won't be enough to AR to obtain sovereignty. simply put the Islands will be very likely too far gone and independent to surrender that independence to a government that treats as an under-the-thumb colony). Also it would be in both interests to enact détente and thaw before then. Will it happen soon? Doubtful. But it would be a good thing for AR and FI, EXCEPT for the Malvanistas who need to rage against the North and AR governments who find that rage useful in distracting attention from their own domestic problems.

@57 As for fascist Malvanistas suddenly discovering environmentalism while their own country happily seeks to exploit resources domestically, at sea and longly eye Antarctica (good luck on THAT 6-year-old soccer match kids!), that's as cynically transparent as discovering the Chagossians while ignoring the details of their case while also continuing to blithely ignore (or even celebrate!) the genocide of the peninsula and continued poor treatment of their first nation people. What a double standard and lie of a life you Malvanistas live, Malen.
74 CabezaDura (#) Nov 16th, 2013 - 06:38 pm Report abuse
I'm not that sure. I think the islanders might have a mayor PR problem if they become some distant sheep farmers and fisherman into rich Saudi Princes of the South Atlantic.
75 ChrisR (#) Nov 16th, 2013 - 08:30 pm Report abuse
@ 74 CabezaDura

The Falklanders will never become inbred, Stone Age Islamists who want to kill everybody “in the name of peace” who is not a Muslim and / or berates the paedophile prophet who went by the name of Mohamed, piss and shit be upon him.

BTW, I think you may have meant MAJOR, not mayor, but WGAF?

May Allah send you to a place with 70 virgins, that being Arabia and the reason they are still virgins at the age of 10 is they live with camels and smell like camel shit. But, a quick bucket of sheep piss over them and a rub with filthy “hand woven Arabian carpet” and they’ll be good to go. Aren’t you the lucky lad tonight!
76 Pete Bog (#) Nov 16th, 2013 - 08:59 pm Report abuse
@74

If they become rich and don't wish to work (that will not happen because of who they are), it will create more employment opportunities for Brit, Chilean and many more nationalities of workers.

If the Islanders were that shallow, they would not have turned down Menem's offer to buy them out in the 1990s for £1 each (or whatever the amount was).

I'm not sure how creating job with wealth s is going to harm their image?

The Islanders nowadays have a wide variety of professions, other than being farmers, or fisherman. :-)
77 CabezaDura (#) Nov 16th, 2013 - 11:50 pm Report abuse
It depends if the islands attracted more permanent settlers in the future, rather than migratory workers that want to earn good money, I guess.

Most of the jobs that will be created by the oil business attract only male immigrants.
It’s a fairly harsh country with miserable weather and now trees grow on it… I would be surprised if they get to 20.000 ppl in the next 50 years, but no one has the crystal ball
78 yankeeboy (#) Nov 17th, 2013 - 04:11 pm Report abuse
My guess once the black gold starts to flow the Falklanders will hire a brigade or two of Ghurkas for their security like the Sultan of Brunei. That should be all they need to keep control of the Island.
79 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 17th, 2013 - 09:26 pm Report abuse
59 malen

So then Malen.... When are you going to give Argentina back to it's rightful owner?
80 Pete Bog (#) Nov 20th, 2013 - 07:58 pm Report abuse
@77
“It’s a fairly harsh country with miserable weather and now trees grow on”

No trees?

What about those on Weddell Island? Carcass Island? I (granted you,I believe the wood at Hill Cove has gone after being there for 100 years), Roy Cove? West Point island? Saunders Island. Stanley, Port Howard etc etc etc etc?-
Are you saying all the trees growing on the islands are actually non-trees?

Is the memorial wood in Stanley planted with trees that really aren't trees. And if the trees aren't trees what are they? Some form of solid hologram?

Is a Scots Pine not a tree? Is Macrocarpa Cypresus not a tree? Is Antarctic Beech not a tree? Is a New Zealand palm technically not a tree (they grow higher than a house so they look like trees ).
Are variegated Elders not counted as trees?

Unless all the trees I saw on the Falkland Islands have now died, I can assure you I was not hallucinating on peat smoke or pissed on Elephant Beer when I saw them!

Also the weather-very changeable but a lot better than the weather is in the UK and other parts of the world at times.

I never had a problem with the weather-if I didn't like it I put waterproofs on or went inside-and always had a tan in the islands, including in the winter.

I saw very few 'white skinned ' folks in the Islands, due to the powerful sun.

Your assertions about no trees and constant bad weather are a hyperbolic exaggeration.

However, I must hear your side. What was your experience when you visited the Islands CabezDura?

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