Wednesday, November 27th 2013 - 07:10 UTC

“Capitalists speculate and steal, as we do” admits in a passionate slip Maduro

No end to Venezuelan president Nicolas Maduro oral bloopers. In campaign for the municipal elections of 8 December and in the midst of an economic war on big business of which it accuses of promoting inflation and destabilizing his government, a self confession or “sincericide” (a blend of sincerity and suicide) became the delight of social networks ant twitters.

The Venezuelan president tends to have difficulties with his dominion of the Spanish language

 In the midst of a fiery and passionate speech he said “capitalists speculate and steal as we do”.

“I want to tell shop owners of this country, small and medium, these shop owners that you know so well from your neighborhood, they are also victims of capital, of the capitalists that speculate and steal, as we do...because they are squeezed by suppliers and wholesale people, and are also squashed by the big shopping malls, they are twice squeezed” said the Venezuelan leader.

The phrase immediately triggered a twitters' tsunami with the Chavistas arguing that what Maduro really said was that Chavism is a victim of speculators while on the opposite side, the anti-Chavists described it as a 'sincericide'.

This is not the first time (or by experience the last) of president Maduro extravagance with words.

Not so long ago and in reference to a passage of the Bible he pledged “we will look to get involved school by school, child by child, high school by high school, community by community so that we will multiply as Christ did the penis, sorry the fish and loafs, I'm sorry for the expression”.

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1 Heisenbergcontext (#) Nov 27th, 2013 - 08:04 am Report abuse
I think it's a lot easier to stumble over 'penis', ' fish' and loaves in Spanish than in English but that didn't stop me from laughing hysterically. That Colombian Gold is really good gear ay Nicolas?
2 zathras (#) Nov 27th, 2013 - 08:42 am Report abuse
His Freudian Slip is showing.
3 Be serious (#) Nov 27th, 2013 - 09:15 am Report abuse
How can Venezuela consent to be ruled by such a tool?
4 GALlamosa (#) Nov 27th, 2013 - 10:44 am Report abuse
Well.....at least he tells the truth.
5 Anglotino (#) Nov 27th, 2013 - 11:06 am Report abuse
Penes or peces (singular pez really doesn't cause a stumble in Spanish - they should have used the fishes in the article instead of fish)……hmmmm slip of the tongue perhaps! LOL

Freudian slip perhaps. I know which I prefer, just didn't know that the bus driver would let something like that slip out!

And now she has let something, that we all know, slip out!

That he steals.

LOL. Captain Obvious, does the pope sh!t in the woods?
6 ChrisR (#) Nov 27th, 2013 - 11:32 am Report abuse
@ 5 Anglotino

LOL, I think you have excelled yourself there!

Maduro is fast taking the accolade of “Clown of the Continent” away from the Cowpat.
7 Conqueror (#) Nov 27th, 2013 - 12:43 pm Report abuse
Somebody do the guy a favour and shoot him!
8 reality check (#) Nov 27th, 2013 - 03:06 pm Report abuse
Was he the best that Chaves could come up with?

Says a lot about Chaves, as if anything needed saying!
9 GFace (#) Nov 27th, 2013 - 03:20 pm Report abuse
@2 The straw hat and bird accessory wasn't enough, was it. You had to bring cross dressing into it too?
10 aussie sunshine (#) Nov 28th, 2013 - 01:48 am Report abuse
THE BUS DRIVER IS SUICIDAL..HIT THE BRAKES!!
11 Heisenbergcontext (#) Nov 28th, 2013 - 05:32 am Report abuse
The health-care system is collapsing - 40 000 breast cancer patients without the necessary medication.

It turns out much of the military equipment purchased from Russia ( $11Billions worth ) doesn't actually work ( helicopters crashing etc...). Buggy software as well as 'the warm Venezuelan weather' are the declared reasons. This will please Guyana.

Now they contemplating selling part of their gold reserves.

I bet Maduro was a lousy bus driver too.

@7 Conqueror

I reckon if you dropped Maduro off in a Caracas slum sans bodyguards & armor his life expectancy would be measured in minutes.
12 jrobinson (#) Nov 28th, 2013 - 08:09 am Report abuse
Capitalists aren't greedy - people are greedy.

A capitalist, at the very least, risks his whole business if he becomes too greedy. A capitalist realizes that, to satisfy his greed, he needs to at least provide a product or service to people that they want. A capitalist also realizes that he needs to follow the rules and not break the law.

Socialism doesn't stop greed - it enshrines it. The same greedy people that run corporations in a capitalist system end up in government, running similar endeavors. Only in this case, the socialist has no check on his greed. He has no competition to keep him honest. He doesn't have to follow the rules, and laughs at the laws; because he makes them. And often, the people have no choice but to buy their products and services from him - so he has no reason to be concerned for safety, quality, or efficiency.

Socialism does not stop greed. It does not make people suddenly behave altruistically. It takes greedy people, and puts the power of the state behind them. A socialist is just a capitalist with a gun, and a sense of entitlement.

To attain power, socialists constantly talk about “greed” and “fairness” and “sacrifice”. It stands to reason that where there’s sacrifice, there’s someone collecting sacrificial offerings. Where there’s service, there’s someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice, speaks of slaves and masters. And intends to be the master.
13 ElaineB (#) Nov 28th, 2013 - 11:33 am Report abuse
@12 Good post. State capitalism is far more destructive as has been demonstrated repeatedly.
14 axel arg (#) Nov 28th, 2013 - 03:13 pm Report abuse
ANOTHER EXPECTABLE MISCHIEVOUS LECTURE.
When i heard this news in our corporate press, i was sure that mercopress was also going to make the same distorted interpretation of maduro's words, than the one that hegemonical press made.
I must recognize that i am not surprised in absolut for mercopress's interpretation, because although i have said in different opportunities that mercopress is a serious website, if we compare it with our shamefull hegemonical press (clarin, la nación and perfil), but unfortunatelly it sometimes can't avoid making the same distorted lectures than corporate press, that's why some of it's headlines aim to ridicule and distort the words of presidents who are leftist.
If you search the whole video where maduro refered to the victims of capitalism, instead of taking into account only the mendacious interpretation of corporate press, you'll see that it's very arguable to say that his government speculate and steal, search it in the website of our public television, in the link of programme 678, the website is: www.tvpublica.com.ar
On the other hand, in reference to socialism, i respect people who are pro free market, but i'll tell you why i don't think like you.
People's progress doesn't depend only on their personal capacity, it also depends on the measures taken by the state. I can be a great professional, i can be excellent at my work, but if the state doesn't create jobs, or if it doesn't give people enough financial support in order to achieve our projects, or if it doesn't build enough infrustructure, my progress and anybody else's will be really mediocre.
Capitalism generates high social assimetries, if there is not a strong state which intervens on the economy in order to mitigate those big differences among social sectors, there will always be important sectors of populations which will be excluded of the sistem, for all these reasons, i believe in a strong state which intervens on economies.
15 ChrisR (#) Nov 28th, 2013 - 07:14 pm Report abuse
@ 13 ElaineB

You have obviously been to Uruguay.
16 Chango (#) Nov 28th, 2013 - 09:31 pm Report abuse
The opposition in Venezuela is full of hate and anger and it shows everyday in the country and Miami. They have been barking with their jingo for 14 years to no avail and once again come December they will be defeated in the local elections. They seem to forget how the country was in 1999 and have a short memory of the horrible living conditions most Venezuelan went through for many decades. They seem to have a lasp of memory of the Caracazo and what it meant. Thanks to the proper measures taken by this administration the poverty levels are down significantly and the middle class has grown while the economy has grown an average of 4% for a decade. . You could check the numbers out by means of the World Bank, IMF, UNESCO the World Health Organization and a very good independent website ( www.venezuelanalysis.com ) Very sad people.
17 The Chilean perspective (#) Nov 29th, 2013 - 12:52 am Report abuse
I read yesterday that there is a credible threat of a military coup against Maduro by supporters of the Chavez family, there appears to have been a break up in relations between the Chavez's and Maduro's gang. The report has quoted that the Chavez family was fuming when Maduro placed his 20 year old son in charge of the government finances plus the fact that he has placed 46 members of his and his hated wife's family in key positions. The Cubans are trying to calm things down but its looking very dangerous. I hope they mend their differences as keeping these donkeys in power is the best antidote against any further expansion of communism in our region.
18 jrobinson (#) Nov 29th, 2013 - 01:48 am Report abuse
@16: Look at the people who run venezuelanalysis, and the groups they have “solidarity” with:

venezuelanalysis.com/about
venezuelanalysis.com/solidarity/groups

They're all a bunch of hardcore leftist activists. If you think their “analysis” is objective...you're naive.
19 Heisenbergcontext (#) Nov 29th, 2013 - 04:50 am Report abuse
@14 Axel

Axel, I guarantee you when our politicians make similar faux pas they are invariably subjected to the same degree of mockery. In fact a politician that can't take a ribbing in Australia can pretty much forget about being elected. It's an excellent way of separating the men from the boys.

@17 The Chilean perspective

How dare you insult donkeys!
20 Chango (#) Nov 29th, 2013 - 05:55 am Report abuse
Mr. Robinson once again don't forget the Caracazo and the atrocities that the opposition committed against the common people of Venezuela for many decades. Defending these villains are a step backwards that's why the La Revolucion Bolivariana is so popular even against the powerful media control opposition millionaires which are full of evilness. And for The Chilean the Maduro administration will smash the opposition once again in 2018. The same old jingo which doesn't hold any water.
21 The Chilean perspective (#) Nov 29th, 2013 - 11:23 am Report abuse
20 Chango
I hope you're right, there's an old saying... A picture is worth a thousand words.
The picture we see of a crumbling and desperate Venezuela is what is needed to illustrate the fact that communism is a lie. If the East Germans couldn't make it work there's no one on God's earth who can make it work.
22 Chango (#) Nov 29th, 2013 - 12:25 pm Report abuse
North Korea is the closes country you could say to communist and I say that because practically every countries central banking system is control by the Rothschilds ( Bank of London ) My cousin works at the local stock market in Caracas and the main engine of Venezuela's economy is capitalism and it's not going to change because structurally these types of countries with great natural resources are an attractive salivating money making machine for the international banking cartel. You see my amigo Chilean it all comes down to who is going to sell the countries natural resources to foreigners. If you check the IMF the World Bank and the UN's economical counsel Venezuela economy has been growing at a 4% rate for the past decade just like all Latin America countries. Look it up it's my friend. I stop believing in the right wing ( conservative ) tax cut policies for the 1% a long time ago.
23 ElaineB (#) Nov 29th, 2013 - 01:19 pm Report abuse
There is definite merit in the argument that an unbalanced society of the very rich and a massive impoverished people is the perfect breeding ground for populist governments.

If there had not been such inequality in Venezuela, Cuba, Argentina etc. the likes of the Castro brothers, Chavez and Peron/Kirchner would never have been elected. The very rich in these countries must take some responsibility for creating a perfect environment for a charismatic snake-oil salesman to sell the destitute false hope. The poor and hopeless line up for the bottle of 'hope' because their lives are so pitiful.
Of course, they don't want to admit that what they bought into only gives them a marginal improvement in life and long-term their countries are ransacked and destroyed by State Capitalism. But the poor do not have the luxury of long-term thinking.
24 axel arg (#) Nov 29th, 2013 - 02:04 pm Report abuse
ELAINE B:
Perhaps you refer to me in your comment 23. If you are so detractor of what you call populist governments, then what do you think that any government should do in order to diminish the high levels of inequality in a country like argentina. What i said in my comment 14 is not new, it's actually something too obvious, we all know that capitalsm generates big levels social exclution, thats' why it's necesary a strong state which intervens on economy. I don't think that countries like the u. k., france, germany, italy, autralia, canada could achieve to have good life standards with weak states which didn't do anything in order to mitigate the consecuences of social exclution characteristic of capitalism.
The election of leftist governments in southamerica are the result of the failure of the policies applied by neoliberal governments for years, which became latin america into the unequalest region of the world.
25 ElaineB (#) Nov 29th, 2013 - 02:37 pm Report abuse
@24 I didn't read your earlier comment and only the first line of your comment @24. You are not the centre of the universe and not all comments are about you. I was interested in the comments made by Chango.
26 axel arg (#) Nov 29th, 2013 - 03:08 pm Report abuse
ELAINEB.
I don't pretend to be the centre of the universe, if i was wrong, i apologize to you, i'm not an arrogant. Anyway, it would be better if you gave me an answer to my question, respecting what our government should do in order to diminish the high levels of inequality that we still have in the country. If you are so detractor of what you call populism, then what are your ideas?.
27 Chango (#) Nov 29th, 2013 - 03:47 pm Report abuse
Axel is correct Elaine the right wing conservatives governments rule for many decades with bad results but apparently they tend to forget what they accomplish in which it was very little. Seventy five million people have been lifted from poverty into the middle class in Latin America and this middle class has been sustainable for more than a decade working and paying their taxes something that the elite mostly evaded. Elaine austerity measures do not work anymore look at Eupore the the US with it's 17 trillion dollar debt. Google the House of London Banking Rothschild Empire and you will follow the paper trail. These bankers or gangsters are causing havoc to many countries and the ones that put up a fight are categorize as bad countries according to the media.
28 ElaineB (#) Nov 29th, 2013 - 06:48 pm Report abuse
@27 I think you are entirely missing the point I was making. I am not defending right-wing governments but pointing the finger at them for creating an environment where the poor can be manipulated into believing the false promises of a charismatic exploiter. Can you really defend the economic mess and the wholesale thieving by Chavez, Castro and Kirchner? Are those countries really successful?

Don't confuse my conviction that communism doesn't work with the belief that my political leanings are hard-right. The extremes of politics to the right and left are equally culpable of exploiting the poor and weak.
29 Chango (#) Nov 29th, 2013 - 11:33 pm
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30 The Chilean perspective (#) Nov 30th, 2013 - 01:24 pm Report abuse
22 Chango
You're information is incorrect. The economic engine of Venezuela and it's primary money earner is the oil industry which is owned and operated by the state. The Rothschild family is primarily involved in asset management it does not control any central banks, the family's dislike for risk taking has prevented them from becoming a mogul in the banking world, their assets are a fraction in comparison to groups such as Goldman Sachs. International banks are not interested in Venezuela because they are untrustworthy, anti business and confiscate private property. You say Venezuela has been growing at 4%, but it has an inflation of 50%, so it is going backwards, I'll explain. Venezuelas GDP for 2013 is 2,253.5 billion Bolivares fuertes, next year it will go up 4%, agreed. The money supply is 958,676 million Bolivares fuertes but by next year this money circulating in the economy will be worth 50% less, it will only be capable of being converted in to half as much goods and services as the year before. This is why inflation is the number 1 enemy of the economy and must be tamed at ALL COSTS.
Lastly there's nothing wrong with cutting taxes as long as the budget is not put into deficit and you still have enough money for essential programs.
31 Chango (#) Nov 30th, 2013 - 03:49 pm Report abuse
Once again your jingo has been echoed many times in the past decade to no avail concerning Venezuela collapse and while Venezuela inflation rate is at 47.3 percent right now it was at 98% in 1998. You seem to forget the horrible administrations of the past leading to the positives of today as a whole. The Warburgs and the House of London could bring down any economy if they wish. They play both sides like they did with Hitler and the USA while today only 7 central banks in the world are not control by them. I encourage you to dig a little deeper cause even though you might have some knowledge about this situation you seem to bypass the real history of Venezuela past the bankers or gangsters of this world.
32 ChrisR (#) Nov 30th, 2013 - 07:30 pm Report abuse
@ 31 Chango

I have no idea what you are on, drugs, booze or whatever but I would stop it if I were you before your brain rots because your intellect certainly has.
33 axel arg (#) Nov 30th, 2013 - 08:28 pm Report abuse
WHAT IS A SUCCESFULL COUNTRY?.
I know that there will be different opinions respecting my question, but what is really lammentable are the tipicall too partial analysis which are usually expressed by many people in this forum, in relation to the reality of latin america, which often stigmatise leftist governments from our region. Perhaps they don't accept that our leaders aren't despisable sepoys as many others that we had in the past, who became latin america into the unequalest region in the world.
I don't deny that our leaders committed mistakes, and it's necesary to criticise them, in the case of argentina, rulled by kirchnerism since 2003, despite the structural problems that it still has, like poverty, inflation, institutional violence in some places, corruption, delincuence etc, it could implement an economic model which beyond it's falencies, it could reindustrialize the country, it created millions of jobs, it could start paying the debts of the country again, and it could achieve a much higher level of autonomy in order to continue with an independent project which is not submitted to the caprices of the i. m. f., that's something that financial world won't never forgive the kirchner.
In my opinion, despite the serious problems that we still have, the actual economic model is very succesfull, but it will be very hard to continue with it, if there is not enough bravery among the members of the cabinet, due to powerful corporations will keep on using all it's great power in order to make c. f. k's government fall, as they have tried since 2007.
Many people here criticise the inflation level, but nobody knows about the oligopolic concentration that we have in most our economy.
Maybe the actuall model is not the best, and perhaps it wouldn't work in another country, because not all economic programms can work in all the countries, but it's the best we ever had in argentina. Although some people don't recognize it,
34 Chango (#) Nov 30th, 2013 - 09:31 pm Report abuse
Chris your jingo don't hold any water, apparently you are so bright that i'm going to put on my shades,, very sad... do your research with the UN economical counsel and other independent organizations so you could brighten up a little more because you suffer from Alzheimer. And I say amen to Axel, these leftist governments are not perfect but they do try a lot harder to bring stimulus to the economy while having more people working thus increasing tax revenus. By signing more bilateral treaties with others countries other that the US their economies become more flexible and not vulnerable to the Wall St jingo like they were before. Latin America suffered through to many dictatorships and the result was devastation for the majority of the people. Today you have governments trying to balance the economy but still you end up with the powerful greedy people and a bunch of assholes trying to bring back conservatives tax cuts policies which do not work, ask Georgie Bush. The austerity era is dead never again will they rule..
Trickle down economics do not work, empowering from the bottom is the way you see real growth.
35 ChrisR (#) Dec 01st, 2013 - 05:02 pm Report abuse
@ 34 Chango

You are obviously new to MP but I will cut you some slack. I have come from a poor family and the way I got to be relatively rich was I worked at school, I worked to get a professional indentured apprenticeship, then worked to become a professional engineer, then worked my way up the management tree, then I became a Technical Director of a GEC company, then I started my own business which led to others. I employed people on good wages if they WORKED, I sacked them in the trial period if they didn’t WORK or did not fit in with all my existing staff who DID WORK.

Now you allegedly Bright-eyed wonder, have you noticed a common thread here?

YES, we all worked and we ALL made money. AND I was a Conservative voter all my life until the “wrung-un” aka Camoron was made Leader. WAF joke he is. He is not fit to lick the shoes of the Beloved Margaret, Union Slayer Margaret Thatcher, EC Hand-bagger supreme Margaret Thatcher. I think Camoron could do with a handbag to suit “his female side”.

As you like the commie bastards in SA I suggest you move to Venezuela and put your feet where your mouth is.

Thankfully in Uruguay we are getting shut of our commie bastard president when his term finishes next year. Frankly, you have NO understanding of how the vast majority of the people in SA want it all given to them and “won’t work for The Man” which is why you have monopolistic attitudes at all levels and governments stuffed full of low paid dead-heads.

Before I came here I gave serious thought to opening an import-export business. That soon changed when I realised the government (and the previous one was forward looking) wanted to tax you at EVERY step in the process and then some. I don’t mind working smart and hard and employing people who work hard and get well paid by me: this is impossible for the small business in Uruguay.
36 Chango (#) Dec 01st, 2013 - 06:20 pm Report abuse
You seem mad ” cojelo suave con take it easy. I'm impress by your credentials but now take a course on common sense. The lefties will once again shut you up and Pepe will pep you up. If you want to get mad take it out on the right wing conservatives nut jobs that ruled Latin America ruthlessly and without passion to only to destroy millions of lives and to fill their pockets with luxury but that doesn't count for you and the others that advocate right wing policies. You are a very frustrated individual and your next assignment is to Google the dictators in Latin America. You have only one day for your assignment. Waiting patiently !
37 Anglotino (#) Dec 01st, 2013 - 08:51 pm Report abuse
Considering the increased wealth of the Chavez and the Kirchner families, it is not only the “right wing conservative nut jobs” that “fill their pockets with luxury”.

When I read up on how rich the Chavez family had become since Hugo got into power I was staggered. It is quite obscene. The fact that CFK's wealth continues an upwards trajectory and is unhindered by slowing economic growth, high inflation and a slumping currency isn't a question that many on the so called left want to delve into too much.

Bad government isn't the preserve of the right as witnessed by Venezuela, Argentina and Brazil.
38 Chango (#) Dec 01st, 2013 - 09:20 pm Report abuse
What you read about the Chavez's wealth is just jingo Anglotino. We need facts and the source not just your words that promotes a right wing conservative policies that fail before. And don't give us Caracas based opposition newspapers sources which controls most of Venezuela. I could surely remind you that the Cisneros, Granier, Caldera, and Jimenez family haven't miss a meal since the 1950's and that you could easily look up in a simple source call Wikipedia among others.
39 ChrisR (#) Dec 02nd, 2013 - 03:52 pm Report abuse
@ 38 Chango
“that you could easily look up in a simple source call Wikipedia among others.”

Oh dear, you believe Wikipedia do you? Do you also believe in Santa?

Wikipedia is useful only as an indicator of when it it backed up by other sources.

Anglotino has far more credibility on here you than you presently, but it is up to you which way that goes from now.
40 Chango (#) Dec 02nd, 2013 - 06:20 pm Report abuse
Wikipedia is one but I prefer the United Nations Economical Council while the World Bank is not bad at all. But I also like the World Health Organization and the International Monetary Fund.. So tell me Chris did you Google “ Dictators in Latin America ” ???
41 ChrisR (#) Dec 03rd, 2013 - 05:18 pm Report abuse
@ 40 Chango

I don't have the time, especially as I live in a country that is democratic but the President and his wife, lovingly known as La Tronca, like to think they RULE us.

He is of course a Marxist murdering bastard who now claims to have learnt that violence does not pay. I hope he has learnt that licking the arse of TMBOA doesn't either but La Tronca clearly prefers it as she often goes on The Dark Country radio to exhalt TMBOA. Traitorous pair.

I think they need treating like the Ceausescu pair: a hail of bullets at close range.

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