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Uruguayans want closer links and trade with the Falklands/Malvinas shows survey
A majority of Uruguayans, 55%, believe their country must support Argentina's sovereignty claims over the Falklands/Malvinas Islands but an overwhelming 80% also want closer trade links with the Islands and reject the ban on Falklands flagged vessels to operate from Montevideo or other Uruguayan ports. In both cases neutral opinions range 11% and 12%. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThanks Uruguay. Those figures aren't really surprising; especially the ones from the 16-35 year olds and the ones backing the referendum and trade between the two countries.
Feb 21st, 2014 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0So much for Argentina's claim that the entire world supports its claim.
Chuckle chuckle
OFF TOPIC - because the Trolls do it!
Feb 21st, 2014 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Cubanism of Venezuela will affect all ALBA countries.
Uruguay could be next!
As one former Chávez confidante grumbled privately, “There is not a ‘Chavista‘ government in Venezuela today — it is a ‘Cuban’ government, instead.” The images of ill-trained national guardsmen and civilian thugs shooting, beating, and detaining student protesters has further alienated the bulk of the Army officer corps from Maduro and his cadre of corrupt generals.
will Uruguay speak up?
The world is listening!
Where is KFC? having a party?
TMBOA couldn't care less and Dilma is in a hurry to distance herself.
Check the news wires people!
The party is over in VZLA and ALBA countries should take note....
@1 The poll shows that cognitive dissonance that we have seen for ages with “LatAm 'Solidarity'” and the need to drink the chunky milk and agree with the “claim” from the teenager to the south. Ironically on that jibe, yes, the younger generation is not keen on letting opportunities slip through their fingers but have to do what Uruguay proper, as a country, has to do: Nod and yes yes at the unstable neighbor and their fantasy claim that will never be fulfilled or risk predictable and childish passive aggression on the diplomatic and trade front. But they do need to be costly punishers, politically-speaking, towards the static gray establishment and their obligatory regional and prejudiced need to express 'solidarity' with the perpetually petulant and unrepentant government next door who just can't let go of “their” Poland, Denmark and Czechoslovakia.
Feb 21st, 2014 - 01:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0It would be interesting to learn how important the Falklands/Malvinas dispute is seen by Uruguyans in comparison with other aspects of their day to day existence. From these results it would appear not to be very important unless you are called Stevie.
Feb 21st, 2014 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would imagine it would be well down in the single figures of percentage.....as it is in Argentina. The people would rather their Governments focussed on the economy, jobs, health and education.
Feb 21st, 2014 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK's trade and relations are building apace in South America. Who knows, Argentina may be among those after CFK and those who don't want better economies have departed. It is only a matter of time. No matter who dictates, Time, and for Whom the Bell Tolls, reigns supreme. Tick -Tock...
Feb 21st, 2014 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0like most brits....I have no axe to grind with uruguay, paraguay, brazil etc.....but argentina is a different kettle of fish.....a country of morons “governed” by morons........ a joke nation at best!
Feb 21st, 2014 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0looking forward to all of that lovely oil :)
Speak up Uruguay....all of Uruguay... but be quick or the oil business will pass you by
Feb 21st, 2014 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Gordo
Feb 21st, 2014 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 055% supports Argentinas claim.
Guess I'm with the majority of the Uruguayans...
9 Stevie
Feb 21st, 2014 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, and I LOVE the way they're showing that support. Elected Members visiting the islands, supervising our referendum, having trade talks, allowing free passage of ships and aircraft between our countries, discussing the possibilities of a direct air link and our chambers of commerce in advanced stages of discussion about all sorts of collaborative initiatives. If they DIDN'T support Argentina I can't imagine how helpful they'd be.
Face it Stevie. This whole Mercopress thing isn't working out too good for you.
Chuckle chuckle
It must be terrible for Uruguay, living next to a larger, despotic neigbour and having to sell its soul and sacrifice its principles in order to survive. Every now and again the truth slips out and the world discovers what they really think of Argentina.
Feb 21st, 2014 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 9 “Free energy” Stevie
Feb 21st, 2014 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, you are not.
You are with the 68% of deadheads in the “Broad Fraud” party. You know that one: ruled by No Money Pepe who is so stupid he does not know a deficit from a surplus [he does really; he was just lying to salve his supporter's ire].
So what if 55% overall “support” TMBOA and the rest of her crooks, No Money Pepe supports her 100% with his tongue up her arse. No wonder his face looks like it’s been hit with a greasy frying pan.
No, the real news and you know what that is, don’t you, is that at least 80% want normal trading relations with the Falklands.
You really are a inbred Tupamaro, aren’t you?
But... but... I thought... the entire world supported Argentina's inalienable claim over the Malvinas and will come to our aid.
Feb 21st, 2014 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently not. Latam solidarity here for you.
Stevie - quite an ingenious reply! You haven't answered my query!
Feb 21st, 2014 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@7
Feb 21st, 2014 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe because you did not invade Paraguay, Brazil, Uruguay, Chile, etc... THREE TIMES in the 19th century.
That's why fundamentally Argentina will never be friends of the UK. We don't forgive your aggression (YOU WERE FIRST). And relations with the UK are not missed here.
@6
You can forget it. There will NEVER be economic relations between the Falklands and Argentina. Recognition of the Falklands by Argentina? I sincerely hope so.
Cooperation? Never (as long as they have any any official links with the UK)
15 - Pathetic. By your logic, the UK should have nothing to do with Germany due to it bombing London many years ago.. Look at you, clinging on to events from two centuries ago, events I might add none of us were around for, affected by or involved in.
Feb 21st, 2014 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You sound like a pathetic child “They started it first and now I don't want to be friends!” Grow up ffs, build a bridge and get over yourself.
Nobody is desperate to be friends with Argentina. Argentina is insignificant in the grand scheme of things. What people ARE desperate for is for Argentina to shut the fck up, stop acting the victim and to stop being a hypocritical, whiney little biatch.
@18 A_neuT(ered)_Observer
Feb 21st, 2014 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kindly tell us exactly the dates when Argentina was invaded by Britain. The two attempted invasions of Buenos Aires took place when BA was still a Spanish colonial city and Britain and Spain were at war at the time. The third alleged invasion took place in the 1840's (when it remains doubtful that Argentina existed) and was the result of a trade dispute.
Before making allegations against Britain make certain that your facts are correct.
17 Gordo1 (#) They always get this arse over tit!!! England never invaded Argentina!!! In 1806 and 1807 they sent two movements of liberation to get the Spanish yoke off what was later to become Argentina. They wanted to trade and the Spaniards wouldn't let them.
Feb 21st, 2014 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We in the UK would like to be friends with ALL nations. We give more, from our government, and ordinary people to less fortunate countries than anywhere else. Its not a bribe, its just friendship and generosity. Britain is much misunderstood. However, we don't let bullies get away with it as Argentina found to its cost. We hate dictators who rise to power through violence and corruption like CFK, Maduro and Castro. We also dislike paid trolls like Think and his sock puppets. And, as for Toby… we feel sorry for you, please get treatment.
Feb 21st, 2014 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@9 Strange that, Stevie girl, “55%” only appears in the summary. Could you not get past the first sentence? What seems clear to me, having read the whole article, is that the majority of Uruguayans don't have a clue. I am surprised by that as I would you to have rushed out, full of democratic fervour, to tell everyone THE FACTS! Or did you rush out and LIE? Or did you keep quiet because everyone who sees you coming says “Watch out. Here comes that nutjob again”?
Feb 21st, 2014 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can see some problems with the results of this poll. I can see certain people (that doesn't include argies or those like you) being none too keen on the trade that 80% of Uruguayans seem towant while Uruguay continues to support argieland's false claim. I can just see it in the Falklands. “80% of Uruguayans want trade links with US”. (Cheers). “But 55% think we should hand over our homes, our land, our resources to argieland”. (Mutter, mutter). Then (voice from crowd) “Right. They've seen what we have to offer. But they want to support our enemy. Tell 'em to get stuffed!” Wouldn't you say that was about right? And Uruguay joins a growing list of “places” that may be able to watch the fully-laden oil tankers sailing PAST. That's quite easy. Clause in the contract. Falklands oil may not be sold to argieland, bolivia, brazil, ecuador, guyana, nicaragua, panama, paraguay, peru, uruguay or venezuela either directly or through onward selling by other countries. It's called “sanctions”. But you're not bothered, are you? Because you've got your little personal bit of bigotry. Wonder what will shake it out of you.
@17, 18 Close on. The “place” that became argieland was “encouraged” to “seize” independence by the British expeditions. Argieland actually owes Britain the fact of its existence!
TTT, I realise YOU will never be friends with anyone but there are strong friendships between Argentines and British. It is your government that most have an issue with.
Feb 21st, 2014 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You also seem to be selective in your prejudiced remarks, as usual. The British were very welcome and settled in Argentina prior to Peron. There is still a fair sized community living in Argentina.
Argentina and the British do trade. Even your President uses British companies when it suits her.
Joe, the people from the opposition aren't elected, my dear islander. Matter of fact, the main reason the rosaditos (the only party represented in the tour) have no say is that they lost the elections on the first round. No balotaje needed.
Feb 21st, 2014 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gordo
Difficult to say, but according to this note, 55% of my countrymen and women supports the Argentine claim...
@22 the Argentine claim has no legal basis. The Islanders have the right to determine how and by whom they are governed.
Feb 21st, 2014 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@22 Stevie
Feb 21st, 2014 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Open mouth, insert foot.
“people from the opposition aren't elected”. Really? Then how to they become the opposition? When did Uruguay become a one party dictatorship?
You really show that you have no understanding of how democracy works. The Party with the majority (or able to make an alliance with another party to give them the majority) forms the government. The party that didn't win enough seats (through the election - so yes they are elected), form the opposition.
In a democracy, it is the DUTY of the opposition, to argue against the government if they believe that the government policy being introduced is wrong.
But the opposition IS elected.
In the UK they are called the Loyal Opposition. Meaning that like the government, they are loyal to Queen and Country.
Uruguay.
Feb 21st, 2014 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0this could be the beginning of a great friendship,
you just have to swat that little fly from the ointment.
“England never invaded Argentina!!! In 1806 and 1807 they sent two movements of liberation to get the Spanish yoke off what was later to become Argentina.”
Feb 21st, 2014 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what?
liberation? LOL
where did you study history?
nowhere?
england tried to invade buenos aires 3 (three) times: 1806 - 1807 and 1845 in vuelta de obligado, luckily they were kicked in the arse.
it seems they were always obsessed with this country.
#26
Feb 21st, 2014 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Was there a country officially called Argentina in 1806/7 ?
England never invaded Argentina
Feb 21st, 2014 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0this happens to be true,
England never invaded Argentina,
neither did Scotland , Ireland , wales , channel islands , isle of man ,
no sir, not even London..
hahahahahahahaha,
Perhaps that great country called great Britain did, in association with others,
what say you..lol
@26 Paul
Feb 21st, 2014 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”england tried to invade buenos aires 3 (three) times: 1806 - 1807”
Yes it was Spanish, not Argentinian and yes Great Britain (not England) was kicked out.
In 1845, yes Britain kicked in the arse, but in 1845 Argentina did not exist.
In WW2 thoug,h we played a major part in defeating your friends Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini.
But unlike you, we get over our defeats and learn our lessons.
Argentina will never learn the lesson of 1982, so one day Argentina will invade again and get malleted.
But it still won't teach Argentina a lesson-you are forever Imperialists as you seek to behave like Britain used to.
26 paulcedron.....you seriously need to grow up......you are a colony as the falklands are......you poxy country which has contributed nothing to the world in its whole history is nothing but a semi dictatorship governed by belching gauchos.
Feb 21st, 2014 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you invaded in 1982 and got smashed.......try it again and see what happens......our hunter killer subs just love the south atlantic!
A4's and mirages vs typhoons.......wonder what the result would be and by the way....we have 1000 troops there now....not 80...pass on my regards to that tranny president
To Argentina, the Malvinas/Falklands issues is just a push to get some oil and fish. They were the invaders back on 1982 and they still cannot believe how easily they were defeated.
Feb 21st, 2014 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hope to see, someday, an Argentinian government not driven by cheap ambitions and suffering acute short sight.
keyword in this poll is “must” , which is not a “free” or an “agreeable” choice but that which is based solely on necessity.
Feb 21st, 2014 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For example.....I pity the Uruguayans it cannot be easy, when they “must” pay lip service to their arsehole argentine neighbors....I guess one “must” bite their tongue when faced with such cretins.
@ 20 Conqueror
Feb 21st, 2014 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Free energy” Stevie doesn't live in Uruguay.
Unless he is on holiday nobody will see him anywhere.
I always knew there was a God (joke from an Atheist).
29 pete
Feb 21st, 2014 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0argentina had different govts during ww2
some supported the axis and some supported the allies.
anyway, it was a european war, why argentina was going to be involved?
the funny thing was that your hero churchill wanted argentina to remain neutral, so the argentinian merchant ships that supplied food to both the british people and military, were not to be attacked by the germans.
add to that the 4000 argentinian soldiers that fought for britain.
britain should say: “thank you dear argentinians for all you have done for us”.
we are still waiting.
@ 34
Feb 21st, 2014 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0as for all the unprecedented Falkland Islands positive publicity in the past 18 months i for one will say.....
”thank you dear Argentinians for all you have done for us”.
For doing more than any other country to foster a sense of nationhood in the Falkland Islands.....
Feb 21st, 2014 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“thank you dear Argentinians for all you have done for us”
29 pete
Feb 21st, 2014 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“In 1845, yes Britain kicked in the arse, but in 1845 Argentina did not exist.”
no?
the name was CONFEDERACIÓN ARGENTINA, so yes, it did exist,
37
Feb 21st, 2014 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But Paul, that was almost 200 years ago. Get a grip.
BTW Paul, we're still waiting to hear from you about how much money the UK gives the Falklands.
22
Thanks for clearing that up for me Stevie. I didn't realise your electoral system was so different from the Westminster system.
So Lep, who elected those that visited the islands, according to you?
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0@34 Paul
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0“add to that the 4000 argentinian soldiers that fought for britain.
britain should say: “thank you dear argentinians for all you have done for us”.
we are still waiting.”
Those Argentines that fought for the UK (and for world freedom let's not forget) thank you dear Argentines-at least you had the experience of being on the winning side rather than Peron who welcomed several notable Nazis , including Peron's hero Mengele,into Argentina after WW2, when they had nowhere else to go.
And though I am not a Falkland Islander (but English) CFK, Timerman and their Imperialist mates, should indeed be thanked for putting the Falkland Islander's rights and cause into the full glare of publicity, and for exposing Argentina's claim to the Falklands as a lie, and a sham avoiding their history that condemns their own claim to oblivion (and the misrepresentation of the United Nations and what they have said).
CFK has woken up the Falkland Islands politicians out of their long deep sleep of complacency, and now they represent their country and cause very well-so that now there is no turning back for them.
So for spreading so many lies about the UN and history in general, I indeed thank Argentina, as it cannot have done more to support the Falkland Islanders in resisting Imperialist Argentina's deluded fantasies.
34 paulcedron
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 03:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK HAS thanked Argentina for the help given to Britain during WW2. For example many Argentines volunteered as pilots serving in both the British and Canadian air forces. A special commemorative service was held to remember them at St Clements Danes Church in the Strand in London in 2005. This is the official RAF (Royal Air force) church containing many memorials to pilots and squadrons from both the UK and overseas, including, Poland, Argentina, the USA, Belgium, Czechs, etc.
@27
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 03:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Was there a country officially called Argentina in 1806/7 ?”
What does this logic remind me off...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYeFcSq7Mxg
@16, 17, 18, 19
Why would we build a bridge to a country that, as you plainly stated, sees us as insignificant? When was the last time you made friends with someone who saw you as insignificant? Imagine you tried it... Do you think such a relationship would end up being beneficial to you?
Rest my case.
As for Argentina existing in 1840, it remains doubtful only because you Brits do not respect our history (see youtube link above and my comment on “insignificance”). You do not respect how WE see ourselves, and we believe we did exist in 1840. That you don't think so is utterly irrelevant.
It's like saying I don't Britain existed in 1921 because it had the word “Ireland” included in it, which now it does not. PATHETIC argumentation.
Britain trying to liberate Argentina in 1806, 1807 is truly the biggest revisionism of history I have ever seen. And I am not trolling when I say this one, it is arrantly risible and preposterous.
YOU dislike dictators like CFK? And who are you to decide? Oh that's right. No one.
@19, 21
I have no problems with individual argentines befriending Brits. However, there should be no relations between the two countries. We are just fundamentally 100% different in how we look at the world, and no relations will ever be fruitful. Not the least of which due to the “insignificance” paradox (see above).
@3o
Yes, that's the kind of friends we need.
Get over yourselves. Protect your Falklands, I wish the Islanders the best, and ferk the feck off Argentina, Britain AND Europe.
Argentina detests all Europeans today. Elaine did not want to believe me but poster after argentine poster here, and surveys and news articles, have confirmed what I had told her. We despise Europeans.
A_neuTroll_Observer
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 03:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong. I have many Argentinian friends here in London. They are all decent civilised, educated people. None of them despise anyone. The many serious journalists who report on Argentina frequently comment on the kindness and common decentcy of most Argentinians. I rather think you speak for yourself in your predjudice.
Many Argentinians rather than despise Europeans, or “the West” like to think of themselves as a part of the “the West” themselves. Other Argentinians, including writers such as Borges see themselves as a part of the wider sream of European culture.
@43
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 03:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina WAS European, from 1860 to 2001. So what you say is correct, your friends may think so, Borges may have thought so. But that is over.
2001 was a tidal change of history.
44 A_neuTroll_Observer
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 04:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0The tidal change of history?
This is Argentina we’re talking about.
The economic collapse and subsequent election of President Nester Kirchner was no doubt an event of some importance to Argentina. However it’s not exactly the fall of the Berlin Wall is it.
Did Argentina stop being a part of the wider stream of western culture overnight. You may well think so, but I imagine there be many of your fellow citizens who hold a different view.
Did I say “world history”? Now I said history, and I thought it would be understood it was just Argentine history, which obviously is insignificant.
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 04:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0My generation has no interest in Europe. Get over it, you are insignificant to us, I mean seriously September 11th is irrelevant to Argentina, so it just goes to show you everything is relative. But since we are insignificant that should surely pose no problems for you or Europe.
But those are the facts, nonetheless.
Yes, we are no longer part of the west, we don't want to be. Of course the older generation will fight the younger over that, but it is where we are going.
I guess the tens of thousands of Argentinians living, working and studying in London disagree with you. We even have an annual week long Argentinian film festival in London.
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 05:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentinian embassy is actively promoting Argentina as a tourist destination. Argentinian wine producers are heavily marketing their very fine wines.
Even in hackney a new Argentinian restaurant has opned, run by native Argentinians. Your views are therefore not shared by all Argentinians.
I can only speak for my generation. And when we take power, no one in Europe will hear from us again. Yes, I know it will make you all very happy, and that includes leaving the Falklanders alone, as my generation has no interest in subjugating them.
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 05:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0But we also have no interest in the old Euromania of our parents, and their parents, and the parents of those parents.
Individual argies can do what they wish, move to Europe if they so wish. I pity them, going to a continent where they are seen as ranking between a fruit fly and a fungus. But good luck to them.
Mental Exercise .. Uruguay on one hand has to Argentina, with whom he shares a common origin, their cultures and almost identical language, 250000 Uruguayans living in Argentina, 50% of tourism income comes from its neighbor, 2 bridges that connecting, sharing a hydroelectric dam .. on the other hand, the islanders British colony, Anglo-Saxon culture, language No-romance, a distance of 1500 km, 20 Uruguayans living (if that what it's called life) in these remote islands .. No doubt ..! The most logical ..! Breaking relations with Argentina and keep 300 squats ..! Stop dreaming, that yearning never happen ..!
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 06:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands - a British colony? The archipelago is a democratic self governing territory! It is also situated well outside the internationally recognised waters of its belligerent neighbour and its Anglo Saxon culture was well established many years before Argentina became a country.
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 06:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0XavierV - dream on, amigo!
@48
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 06:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you want to escape the influence of both Europe and North America you are probably going to have to live in a cave or become a hunter-gatherer. I think that might cramp your style a bit.
Your posts are shot through with both Americanism's and, I now observe, British slang. Your You-Tube music video's that you sometimes share ( excellent taste btw ) owe their origins to the combination of African-American rythyms and the five note pentatonic ( blues ) scale and song structures from the British Isles. Even the Spanish singing clips used an electric guitar - an American invention. Juan Campanella, who directed that great Argentinian film The Secret in Their Eyes, got his training directing American television.
It's not ALL bad is it? There's no reason why you can't take what you need and leave the rest behind. Cultural influences are being exchanged right now all across the world. It's all up for grabs. What matters is what you DO with it.
These arrogant Argentine trolls like “A_neuTered_Observer” seem to be believe that their country could exist on terms which will isolate them from the rest of the world and yet their beloved Kretina and Timerman are forever seeking the support from the rest of the world for their hopeless campaign to colonise the Falklands/Malvinas archipelago. What an odd lot!
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 07:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0XAV - all Uruguayan folks are saying is - we recognize Arg has a dispute with the Islands., BUT - that is their problem- not our problem and there is no reason why Uruguay cannot have good relations with both sides to the benefit of Uruguay.
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0A neutroll observer - Your crap wont wash with me sunshine and you can pick up that case of yours.
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't you try and pretend for a second that your reasons for claiming Arg & UK will never be friends has anything to do with me stating you're insignificant because it doesn't. Your comment implied that we will never be friends because of morons in the world who struggle to get over events from two centuries ago.
I rest my case he says, please! As if. You never had one to rest to begin with fool.
A_neuTroll_Observer
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0In London visitors from Argentina are made as welcome as visitors from anywhere else. No one regards them as something between “a fruit fly and a fungus” Here in Hackney the famous Argentinian installation artist Leandro Erlick created a stunning piece of installation art in Dalston, just up the road from me. This was part of the London festival of architecture in the summer of 2013. He received support not only from our local council but the wider community. He was delighted by the response from the local people who visited the piece in great numbers. He was seen as an artist who had enhanced the cultural experience of the London borough of Hackney. The fact he was Argentinian was neither here nor there.
My Argentinian barmaid friend who works in the Marquess Tavern gastropub in Canonbury ( a grand old fashioned Georgian neighbourhood in Islington) is very popular indeed with the local people. No one regards her as anything but a friendly, pleasant, cheerful young woman. No one takes against her because she is Argentinian. Why would they?
@39 Stevie
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0That would be the people of Uruguay, Stevie.
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Uruguay is governed under the constitution of 1967 as amended. Executive power is held by the president, who is both head of state and head of government. The president is popularly elected for a five-year term and may not serve consecutive terms. The bicameral legislature, the General Assembly, consists of a 30-seat Chamber of Senators and a 99-seat Chamber of Representatives. The members of the General Assembly are also elected for five-year terms. Administratively, Uruguay is divided into 19 departments.”
You really are so ignornat of how democracy works aren't you?
No doubt you are cheering on the thought of a one-party state, where no one dare question the government. You probably see yourself as one of the 'brown shirts', pushing people around, telling them what to do, 'disappearing' them if they don't tow the party line.
A word of warning. Hitler murdered his 'brown shirts' because they were an unruly rabble. He used them to undermine democracy in Germany, and then when he had power he got rid of them so they couldn't undermine his power.
His SS troops murdered them all. The SS who swore undying loyalty to him, and no one else.
You should be very careful, Stevie. People like you are always first against the wall when the revolution that they've been dreaming of comes along.
@53 - excellent point islander. Uruguay can have a great relationship with both Argentina and the Falkland Islands.
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina could enjoy a very successful and prosperous relationship with the Falklands Islands and the UK.
Argentina should put the prosperity of the Argentine people first, trade with the FI, stop attempting to bully and blockade smaller neighbours and work with them instead.
The UK is ready for extra trade, the FI is ready for extra trade, embrace it Argentina.
Not so long ago Uruguay was known by the sobriquet “the Switzerland of South America”. No doubt this was earned by its democratic traditions and liberal culture.
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It would appear that these traditions are still manifested today. As other posters have pointed out it is very possible for Uruguay to recognise a sovereignty dispute over the Falklands and even offer support to Argentina in international communiqués yet still maintain friendly relations and trade with both parties. This would clearly be of benefit to all.
Argentina can totally isolate itself from the world, far more than Iran, Cuba or North Korea have done, because we can grow our food (15 times over) and have our own energy (oil for 15 years internal consumption, and gas for 150 years, 3rd biggest in the world).
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The contributions of Europe and North America are grossly overstated, at least half of what they claim to have originated already existed elsewhere in the world.
I would love nothing else that my government desisted from the effete, uncommunitarian Falklands dossier for good, issued itself an exit strategy from Mercosur, and then truly ignored the rest of the world.
I don't buy the latest “reasonable” track I have been reading for a second. That is typical European: tell you something in your face, then behind you confirm the complete opposite. If they tell you you are “dignified”, believe they think you are a maggot.
At least become a maggot than can defend itself!
@59 Tobias
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But you can't grow enough food, and you can't get enough oil out of the ground, because of people like YOU Tobais.
Selfish people who want everything for nothing, and are not willing to get off their backside and work for a living.
“ least half of what they claim to have originated already existed elsewhere in the world”
At the majority of what Argentina has (especially the people) came from elsewhere in the world.
It must kill you to look in the mirror and see those European features everyday. The self loathing you must feel.
But never fear, Tobias, once Argentina follows your plan of complete isolation (although I doubt many of your fellow countrymen support that idea), you can be happy.
You will also be completely at the mercy of the elements. I mean just look at the havoc the weather has already played with Argentina's agriculture.
And think of all that lovely oil stuck in the ground. Stuck because Argentina doesn't have the money, the equipment or the expertise to get it out of the ground.
Oh yes, a completely isolated Argentina will be paradise - that is if the definition of paradise is a reversion to living in the stone age.
On the positive side, when Argentina has isolated itself, no one will have to listen to your constant self-pitying whining. Great news for the rest of the world that are heartily sick to death of your incompetence, your lies, your belligerent attitude and your dishonesty.
So once you've paid back the ALL money you borrowed, then the world will be quite happy to watch you disappear up your own backside.
By the way, Tobias, wasn't your revolution supposed to have happened last year? You know, the one where you told us all to 'watch' what would happen, and then NOTHING.
Oh, I forgot. You haven't got any power, any friends, or any prospects. Good luck to you.
@34 I see that you are sufficiently brainless and bigoted not to be able to admit that there was NO “country” called argieland, or even united provinces, in 1806/7. Just ignore it and hope it'll go away? And in 1845? That was the Argentine Confederation. It was a blockade, not an invasion. And let's check the reality. The FRENCH imposed the blockade and it was in defence of Uruguay. In fact, Britain had little interest. It was mostly concerned with its relationship with France. Pity you seem to know so little about the REAL history.
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@49 I trust that you realise that your “comment” is unintelligible. You should attempt to improve your ability in the world's foremost language - English!
@52 I do hope that TiTs gets his way. I would love to see argieland TOTALLY isolated. But even TiTs doesn't really want that. He''ll want to see argies continuing to “vacation” in Uruguay, import “make a car kits” from Brazil, steal power from Paraguay. There will be things he wants that he won't be able to get either from China, Europe or North America. But he'll never admit that.
@53 Stick with having no trade links with Uruguay until it ceases to support argieland. Remember how argieland decided to be all friendly and co-operative after the war? Right up to the moment that they realised that they were getting no nearer to “sovereignty” and stealing the Islands. Then they got all nasty, mean, underhanded, belligerent and mendacious again. Beware of Uruguayans bearing gifts! And I can prove it. Just look @59 and consider. This is a state that tried to steal British territory, now yours, because Britain happened to be dealing with something else. It sent pirates. Then it sent murderers and rapists. After a while, it decided to sign a “treaty” to take the heat off. Treaties mean nothing to argies. It pushed a bit more while Britain was busy saving the world again. Finally invaded. Got beat. So it was “friendly” for a while. And now it's started again. Don't get fooled.
Weather havoc?
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The USA and Europe are being DESTROYED as we speak by the weather, including your country. It's fitting that the people that cause global warming are now paying the brunt of the price.
You think of Argentina as worthless, fine. You are not the first here or last. I've heard the same for two years now. Obviously it does not affect me.
Yes for Gods sake go! Close all Argentine ports to any but coastal shipping under your flag as you won't need to export or import anything.
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Before you go we would like the island of Martin Garcia returned to us. It's wholly in Uruguayan territorial waters and is even connected by a land bridge to The adjacent Uruguayan Island.
Article 45 of the 1973 Treaty has been repeatedly violated by Argentina rendering that treaty invalid
A_neuTroll_Observer
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Destroyed? Sure there have been floods, due to the heaviest rainfall in 250 years but very little has actually been destroyed.
The UK's CO2 emissions are about 1.7% of the global total. The worst emission record by far is China, with about 25%. This is more than the whole of the EU by far.
I personally have nothing against Argentina at all. I love your Malbec wine, and the short stories and poems of Borges. Every Argentinian I have ever met (which is quite a few) have been kind, decent, polite, civilised people. I love Freggo's in Swallow Street Mayfair, the Argentine coffee and ice cream bar.
Maybe you should get out more, travel a bit, even visit London. You'll find that the world is full of wonderful people, cultures and experiences. There really isn't any need to be so hostile towards your fellow global citizens.
We all live in a global village, so get out and cross the street. The water reeally is fine.
News sources on FI and SGSSI:
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- FITV news spots:
https://www.youtube.com/user/FITVfalklandislands?feature=watch
- South Georgia News:
https://www.youtube.com/user/FITVfalklandislands?feature=watch
64 I think Hackney would get on his Wick.
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 066 redp0l
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha Ha Ha lol. Very good. But if he gets really “Hacked off” he could wander down the achingly, drippingly uber cool Broadway market and get stuck into a steak, Malbec and dulce de leche at the Buen Ayre Argentine restaurant (if he can afford it)
But let’s face it, the opinions of A_neuTroll_Observer are uniquely his own, and uniquely weird. He appears to want the whole of Argentina to live in a cave.
Perhaps he already does.
rupert
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“In London visitors from Argentina are made as welcome as visitors from anywhere else. No one regards them as something between “a fruit fly and a fungus”
well, it is the same with the british tourists here or with the british residents.
you cannot be guided by what a small group of morons (quebracho) did once, burning british flags, etc.
anyway, i think not even them have anything against british individuals, but against the british government.
of course, being just 100 in the whole country, their opinion does not count.
paulcedron
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0I’m sure your right. Indeed a Kiwi friend of mine spent some time travelling through Argentina on a bicycle which she wrote about in a book “Llamas and Empanadas” (published by Penguin New Zealand). It’s a great read although sadly out of print. Her tales of cycling through the fabled remoteness of Patagonia are particularly engrossing. A very windy place apparently. Obviously New Zealand is not Britain, but still she frequently refers to the generous hospitality of all the people she met.
One day I too will (hopefully) spend some time in Argentina. I certainly have no fears that I will meet nothing but an equally warm welcome.
rupert
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 02:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0the british were always welcome here, there is not any kind of discrimination against them.
all the british i know who live here are totally integrated in spite of some language barriers.
in fact, the gringo accent when they speak spanish is very appreciated and likeable.
No foreigners are welcome here anylonger. Fact, rest my case, end of story.
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 04:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Next.
71 A_neuTroll_Observer
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 04:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0What, not even Pink Floyd?
Chorus of Kumbaya anyone?
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0#71
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0As can be seen from the cruise ships entering Buenos Aires !
71 Toby
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0You come across as such a plonker when you say things like that. You always claim that you deal only with the facts but then you make a statement like that. I was there recently and my passport is a UK one and makes no reference to the Falklands apart from the entry and departure stamps. I was made feel very welcome everywhere I went.
My apologies to all for diverting from the subject. In the subject of cruise liners, Hepatia had the last posting before it was closed.
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0QUOTE
“It is important to note that the women could vote for the US president and congress as well as all the state offices in 1867. This is a right still denied British women. No British woman can vote for the UK president or senate in 2014!”
Her ignorance is abysmal although she is quite correct in what she says.
The UK does not have a president or senate.
I also notice she circumvented the issue of Black votes in the USA.
Yes you are quite right, Clyde15.
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l too, wanted to put Hepatia right with the ridiculous “facts” that she(?) posted, but the thread had closed.
American education has a lot to be desired.
They learn all about the US & not much about other countries.
l have been complimented on my English(language)when in the US, then asked where l learned it.
When l say that l went to high school in Australia & they speak English there, some Americans were amazed.
Another American was pointing out mountains to me & painfully translating the heights into meters.
When l told him that l was now familiar with the imperial system & that we used to have it up until 40 years ago, l'm sure that he didn't believe me.
Hepatia's ignorance is typical.
lts their government's policies, not the people.
What is all this sudden “rationality” at display here by the Antis? Make no doubt I don't believe it for a second. Next week Argentina's government will again proclaim some crap, unfair new “law” against the Falkland Islanders and all of you will surely ensure you let the ARGENINE PEOPLE know what you really think of them.
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unlike everyone else here I AM CONSISENT. From day 1 (800 plus days ago now), I have made it more than abundantly clear my position towards the Falklands. And in spite of all the personal and cultural attacks, I NEVER BUDGED. That is principle.
I also have never budged in my disdain for foreigners. And nothing I have learned here improved my opinion of them for the better. So you can all forget sweet-talking me into giving them a chance.
I live by three laws in life, and it has kept me 100% safe.
1. Never trust ANYONE
2. Assume everyone is dumber than you
3. Avoid all foreigners
@78 newt
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If “Unlike everyone else here I AM CONSISENT” why do you keep changing your login name ????
Clyde & Isolde
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No idea who this Hepatia person is and I haven't read the thread you refer to but it only takes a few moments to realise she/he/it speaks with forked tongue.
UNIVERSAL female suffrage in the UK was introduced in 1928
UNIVERSAL female suffrage (as long as you weren't black) commenced in the USA in 1920.
I imagine that all the women of the UK must be up in arms about the fact that they are not allowed to vote for the UK Senate or UK President.
Is this person for real? Is she/he/it claiming to be educated in the US?
@78
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All of which sounds like a prescription for eternal loneliness.
Interesting read comments here:
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/461327/New-arms-threat-Argentina-s-3billion-boost-to-military
Especially this:
JackSmith - We no longer have that formidable army and navy, and the powerful industrialists and bankers who actually developed those far off countries, it is all gone and nobody listens to Britannia any more.
I am proud to be an Englishman, my father was a royal navy officer, and my grandfather and his father fought in the wars. Sadly, we no longer have the capability to defend our shores let alone fight wars. We have become a slave to the EU, we allow every mongrel dog to enter our country, and we give our money away to people who hate us. And we still fool ourselves with the US-UK special relationship. How can we contemplate a war with Argentina, when we can't even help our citizens who have been in flood water since Christmas.... this government is a disgrace, and the country a laughing stock because of them.
STOP ALL AID. END IMMIGRATION. INVEST IN UK
#82
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you believe it ?
@ 83 Clyde15
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Do you believe it ?”
Not for a nanosecond! They are having a larf!
BTW we should run a caption contest for that photo!
My entry is “I’m just getting ready to have one this big!”
We had better not go into what the “one” is.
:o)
84 Chris
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How about:
“President Fernando Kirchner, you are under arrest on suspicion of corruption, embezzlement, and government incompetent. You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence.”
rupert
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“fernando” kirchner?
@82 I had always believed that the Express Newspapers were no longer printed. They don't appear on the newsstands around my neighbourhood - not even in the Coop supermarket!
Feb 24th, 2014 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0So who reads the Daily Express or even the Sunday Express? Obviously some Argentine trolls!
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