Wednesday, April 2nd 2014 - 21:25 UTC

Cristina Fernández blasts UK and NATO on Malvinas invasion anniversary

Argentine President Cristina Fernández on the 32nd anniversary of the Malvinas Islands invasion by Argentine forces which triggered war (and defeat) with the UK, questioned the British government for not abiding by UN resolutions calling for Falklands sovereignty talks and suggested UK should be less involved in wars and more in looking after its own people.

The Argentine president during her 30 minute speech at Malvinas Hall next to her full cabinet

 She also unveiled a 50 Pesos bill dedicated to 'Malvinas Argentinas' to be soon issued and blasted London for keeping 'NATO's most powerful and armed base' in the Falklands.

The rally and a 30 minute presidential speech on Wednesday April 2nd, took place in the Malvinas Argentinas Hall of Casa Rosada (Executive palace) and was broadcast on national televisions with attendance from the full ministerial cabinet, provincial governors, mayors, MPs, social and union leaders and war veterans.

The Malvinas Argentinas Hall of Casa Rosada was inaugurated by Cristina Fernández in 2012. On August 24 that year the head of state was handed seven Argentine flags that were taken to the Falklands Islands in 1966 by an armed ultra-nationalist group, under the so called Cóndor Operation involving the hijacking of a commercial aircraft which was forced to land in the Islands.

As part of this year's ”Day of the Veterans and Fallen in the Falklands War”, the president presented one of the seven flags at Wednesday's ceremony that from now on will flutter in the Malvinas Argentinas Hall.

“History of humankind clearly shows that colonial enclaves (such as Malvinas) end up being recovered sooner or later. I am confident in the people, in history” said the president as she began to deliver her speech.

The Argentine leader revealed that thanks to the strong support from Venezuela's 'eternal president' Hugo Chavez, Central America and the Caribbean countries now are strongly aligned behind Argentina in its sovereignty claims over the Malvinas, contributing to 'a growing world consensus” on the question.

Cristina Fernandez then announced that in an effort to identify the 123 soldiers buried in the Falklands Darwin Argentine cemetery that remain unidentified, NN, with the help of the Red Cross and Argentine scientists, blood samples had been collected from possible families for DNA checking in the near future.

“We have the moral and patriotic duty to honor the memory of heroes, the Malvinas heroes” and if there is something we can exhibit to history is that we are a government that does and commits everyday” underlined the president.

Further on Cristina Fernandez accused the UK of an “immense military display” in the disputed territories, “violating” the Treaty for the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons in Latin America and the Caribbean (Tlatelolco Treaty) that which “all American countries expect for those in the North have signed”.

She also claimed that natural resources prospects in Malvinas Islands do not represent the British main interests in the contested area.

“The truth about Malvinas is that it represents a NATO military base in the South Atlantic that is the truth that can no longer remain hided,” the president said and provided a detailed list of British military capability starting with the electronic intelligence systems that “control all the air traffic in the region”.

To this she added 1500-2000 men deployed to the Islands out of a population of 3,000; a frigate; an icebreaker; a nuclear attack submarine and aircraft armed with long-range ballistic missiles “that could reach several areas in the Southern Cone and even Ecuador” among other British military resources in the contested area.

“The British government does not break down its military expenses in Malvinas, it is a country that is usually on the attacker side, almost always in the front of conflicts. It would be good to wage war less and dedicate more efforts to the British people, facing severe social cuts and severe unemployment problems, particularly 20% among young people” Cristina Fernández affirmed.

“The military expense in Malvinas accounts for 31,000 dollars per British citizen, that to keep a military base more than 13,000 km away (from London).”

And on dialogue, the Argentine president “there has been no international forum that does support the UN resolution which simply calls on the US to sit and discuss the issue of the Malvinas sovereignty question”.

Renewing her position against the “double-standard” of world powers she mentioned only some weeks ago during an official tour to France, the Argentine leader said that the referendum in both Crimea and Malvinas were a show of how “the relation of forces” rule the world.

“International law and the respect of human rights, peace, territorial integrity” don't have much to say in today's world, according to Cristina Fernandez.

“It is the law of the strongest. That who can trample over somebody’s head goes ahead and does it,” the Argentine leader assured – in Paris, CFK blasted the US and Europe for rejecting the Crimea vote and ratifying instead the 2013 referendum in Malvinas where Falkland Islanders decided to remain a British Overseas Territory.

“We continue to appeal to abandon the double-standard that becomes actually a boomerang because the only thing that allows global society to live rationally, to prevent deaths, conflicts and misery is that a country’s rules become international rules that all countries respect. That is what the charter of the United Nations say,” the president added mentioning the UN resolutions that urge London to sit at the negotiating table with Buenos Aires and that the coalition government of British Prime Minister David Cameron continues to dismiss, based on a self-determination pledge.

“Who do they want to convince they will respect the law if they do not comply with these resolutions?”

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1 golfcronie (#) Apr 02nd, 2014 - 09:50 pm Report abuse
SELF DETERMINATION is the keyword I think.
What has Argentina got to offer the FALKLANDERS?
2 Vestige (#) Apr 02nd, 2014 - 09:56 pm Report abuse
The military expense in Malvinas accounts for 31,000 dollars per British citizen, that to keep a military base more than 13,000 km away (from London)

Damn!! That much ?? For each Briton.

Wonder how accurate that number is.

Ill take 25% off since the source isn't exactly that neutral, but still ...frickin expensive.
3 Frank (#) Apr 02nd, 2014 - 10:03 pm Report abuse
Thats $1,960,130,000,000 in total..... golly who would have thunk it.. :)
4 Think (#) Apr 02nd, 2014 - 10:04 pm Report abuse
(2) Vestige

The real cost per Kelper is much higher...
Anyhow...
31,000 Yankee dollars...
That's about 6,000 of these...:
tn.com.ar/sites/default/files/2014/04/02/uploaded/billete_0.jpg
:-)))
5 Redrow (#) Apr 02nd, 2014 - 10:10 pm Report abuse
31k per british citizen would be nearly 2 trillion dollars.
I think she must mean per Falkland islander.
And we would have to pay the defence force wherever they were so the actual cost of them being in the Falklands is very low.
Never forget, Freedom is not free.
6 Vestige (#) Apr 02nd, 2014 - 10:16 pm Report abuse
But they are British citizens.
Britons on holiday.
I wonder how long it will be til Benidorm gets its righteous self determination.
7 golfcronie (#) Apr 02nd, 2014 - 10:20 pm Report abuse
I think you mean Catalonia, don't you?
8 Vestige (#) Apr 02nd, 2014 - 10:40 pm Report abuse
Catalonia ? - Is that in Ireland ?
9 Conqueror (#) Apr 02nd, 2014 - 10:41 pm Report abuse
@2 A strange way to present military expenditure. Still, they are your figures so I suppose you know best. A small neighbourhood of Cordoba City has 31,000 dollars spent for every British citizen! I trust you're not suggesting that Britain would spend that much? I suppose the argie government doesn't mind because it's not their money.

But, if you were talking about British expenditure for the defence of the Falklands against a lying, thieving neighbour, the real figures are a bit different.

Expenditure is £75 million. That's the same as US$123,750,000. Divided between ~63 million Britons. That comes out to ~US$1.96 each.

Despite being a pensioner, I think I can afford ~US$5.00.

Every single year?

Nah. Let's make it every month.

Could that be the difference between us? You “care” about money and things. We care about people!
10 GFace (#) Apr 02nd, 2014 - 10:42 pm Report abuse
Germany condemns the Allies for liberating Denmark and then for overthrowing the Third Reich. Film at 11.

Pathetic Malvanazis.
11 yankeeboy (#) Apr 02nd, 2014 - 10:50 pm Report abuse
I think her lithium dosage is off again. How stupid does a population have to be to have such a digbat ruling them?
12 GFace (#) Apr 02nd, 2014 - 10:57 pm Report abuse
@11 Reading the posts here by their undying apologists who have no curiosity as to why their leaders don't just take what should be such an obvious case to the ICJ. EXTREMELY stupid. Indeed, they may be even more stupid than the previous generation who went all Nuremberg Rally celebrating in the streets when the same Junta they were about to throw up gave them exactly what they wanted. Come on. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice.... oh did you say Malvinas? YEAH! JUNTA!!!! JUNTA!!!! JUNTA!!!! JUNTA!!!! Let's mint another coin in honor of their triumph. A few more years of them would have been awesome and I'm sure a few of them have a “list” of people they'd like to use such a government so they could settle some scores.
13 CabezaDura2 (#) Apr 02nd, 2014 - 11:13 pm Report abuse
She actually condemened today in the same ceremony people self defending and lynching criminals saying it did not form part of the Rule according to higher law. The problem is her own state has failed to provide this. The official media are desparate trying to blame Clarin and Massa of provoking the latest outbreak fever of lynching of street thieves. People have lost patience

In Rosario and elsewhere the first self defence and vigilante groups have sprung up in the country. As I have being sencing for the last months the Michoacan alternative has come to Argentina far sooner than I expected. .
14 GFace (#) Apr 02nd, 2014 - 11:16 pm Report abuse
@13 Always the distraction. That's what the Malvinas bell is for. Ring it and watch the useful idiots drool on cue... and forget what is happening at home.
15 CabezaDura2 (#) Apr 02nd, 2014 - 11:25 pm Report abuse
I really doubt she can stretch this issue any further, she has done everything photo exibit, new notes, Tv adverts, etc Its not really about the islands anymore its about domestic policy as you say, but I really doubt the most people really buy into this anymore. She is looking very weak at the moment. I think she has really over done it this year.
16 GFace (#) Apr 02nd, 2014 - 11:38 pm Report abuse
@15 I'm still convinced that she is trying to burn any bridges that can be made with the Islanders that could be made by her successors, making them look good and her look even worse. Her time is up and she knows it. The Islands won't be argentine on ANYONE's watch if the Islanders have anything to say about it (and they have the only say). The only thing she can do is “make sure” that there is little freedom of movement on the diplomatic front affordable by whoever comes next. Menem wasn't perfect in this area to say the least but he did make an effort. The Islanders are patent and will wait as long as it takes for the next adult to take Argentina's diplomatic reigns. And by then it will be an independent Falklands *PM* meeting with an Argentine President to talk not annexation, but trade. Maybe we'll live long enough to see it. The way things going I had better cut back on red meat and fat and exercise more.
17 knarfw (#) Apr 02nd, 2014 - 11:51 pm Report abuse
MPA is NATO's most powerful base with only 4 jets and can control all of the air traffic in the region? Mad as a bag of frogs.
18 CabezaDura2 (#) Apr 02nd, 2014 - 11:56 pm Report abuse
LOL, well I think that Argentina's most important relation to fix is with London itself where all the money and trade is. Trade with a community of 3000 ppl no matter how rich they are isnt going to have any significant changes in Argentina itself but it would have implications on the Islands no doubt. This is taking oil out of the equation. Who knows....

It would probably go back to a umbrella policy of not discussing soveregnity and leaving it aside between the two govt's like Argentina and Britain had agreed to in the early 1990s.
19 Livingthedream (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 12:12 am Report abuse
If they want Self Determination why are they not an independent country?
Here in the United States we pulled away from the king of England because we wanted Self Determination. Why can't they do the same?
20 rupertbrooks0 (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 12:45 am Report abuse
19 Livingthedream

I guess you need to ask the islanders.

I think you imagine that self determination is synonymous with national independence. This is not the case. It does not follow that the right to determine one’s own future must inevitably lead to total independence. Bermuda, for example voted in a referendum in 1995 to retain its link with the UK by 75% despite having had its own Parliament for over 400 years.

The Falklands has had its own elected legislature passing its own laws since 1845. It has its own currency, issues its own stamps, and has its own tax system, education and health system. It has its own customs and immigration policies. All revenues accrued by the issuing of fishing and oil exploration licences belong to the Falklands government and people. They are a self governing community apart from defence and foreign affairs.

I guess they like having HM the Queen as their head of state. They like having the UK to defend their freedoms. It’s their choice. That’s self determination. They freely choose a free association with the UK. Much like Bermuda. This option is even listed by the UN decolonisation committee constitution as valid. So long as the people agree to it.
21 Santi (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 01:13 am Report abuse
If the war had not happened, and history would have taken it's natural course, it's very probable that Argentina would have obtained a much better outcome, no doubt about that. Just like the English Govm't gave up Hong Kong without bullet being fired, Falklands could be now a special administrative region of Argentina, with Kelpers and Argentinian cooperating peacefully on every topic, economic, etc. etc. Now, the irresponsible actions of a few, have influenced the outcome to a Kelper Self Determination, which is totally comprehensible.

Saludos
22 La Patria (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 01:29 am Report abuse
“She also claimed that natural resources prospects in Malvinas Islands do not represent the British main interests in the contested area”.

She completely contradicts what her muppet minister, Filmus, said yesterday about Britain's interest being 100% economic based on oil.
If they are going to lie, might as well make sure they are saying the same lie
23 yankeeboy (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 02:44 am Report abuse
CD , your country is spinning out of control. There's always been vigilante justice in arg but this is getting extreme. People must feel the state has collapsed.
It won't be long now.
24 Brit Bob (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 03:18 am Report abuse
CFK & Co are desperate and delusional. Lol.
25 LEPRecon (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 06:55 am Report abuse
Hmm, I see that they're now trying an new tactic.

So no longer is it an 'imperial colonial conclave' of the evil British pirates, it is now a base for NATO.

Does the Argentine government not realise how ridiculous they look to the world when they are changing excuses so rapidly?

Oh and Cristina I know that it isn't the Argentine way, but you could at least try to put forwards some proof of your statements.

And the fact that MPA is this huge NATO base - despite there only being 1,000 personnel and 4 fighter aircraft - is laughable.

I know Cristina, get Timidman to talk some more about the 6 Death Stars that the British have! PMSL

I wonder if an entire country can be sued for slander and libel?
26 CKurze30k (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 07:55 am Report abuse
“...that were taken to the Falklands Islands in 1966 by an armed ultra-nationalist group, under the so called Cóndor Operation involving the hijacking of a commercial aircraft ...”
Seriously? These people commit an act of terrorism and CFK thinks it's an act to be honoured? Not to mention the other half-truths and lies:

“History of humankind clearly shows that colonial enclaves (such as Malvinas) end up being recovered sooner or later.“

Which occured in 1833, when the rightful holders of sovereignty recovered the islands from an illegal garrison squatting on their territory.

“The truth about Malvinas is that it represents a NATO military base in the South Atlantic that is the truth that can no longer remain hided,”

Nor can the truth that the base would not be necessary if Argentina stopped all of their threats against the legitimate inhabitants of the Falklands, as they seem to desire another illegal invasion as they attempted in 1982.

”mentioning the UN resolutions that urge London to sit at the negotiating table with Buenos Aires ”

Sit at the table. No mention of Argentina being given sovereignty. In fact, the only fair outcome is Argentina relinquishing their illegitimate claim.

“Who do they want to convince they will respect the law if they do not comply with these resolutions?”

Hypocrite. Argentina violated a resolution aimed at peacable resolution with it's illegal invasion. It then violated a *binding* resolution requiring the removal of Argentine forces. You have no moral high ground here. We can and will deny you it.
27 Room101 (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 08:43 am Report abuse
It shouldn't have been an invasion anniversary; it should have soberly celebrated, self- confessed, Eviction of Squatters Anniversary
28 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 09:19 am Report abuse
Firstly. Is KFC actually dribbling?

Secondly. Is that General Kala at the back on the right? Is Flash Gordon approaching and is she going to dispatch War Rocket Ajax to bring back his body?
29 Martin Woodhead (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 09:30 am Report abuse
#27 except you couldnt even pull that off properly.
Long range ballistic missles on aircraft that can reach peru? Really the drugs must be kicking in.
30 CaptainSilver (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 09:38 am Report abuse
...and all this verbal garbage from Argentinian banana republic has no impact whatsoever in UK. Nothing in the media, not even the barmy Guardian.

Bahahahaha
31 Islander1 (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 09:43 am Report abuse
Think and Vestige- you cannot surely possibly believe all this tripe and drugged up verbage?
I see the other day several others were calling UK a military paper tiger, US poodle and dead and finished militarily.

Now- if, with 4 jets fitted with Air to Air missiles - a small patrol vessel with one 30mm gun and 150 infantry soldiers and a occasional submarine patrol in the area and an occasional single frigate patrol in the area - the UK can do and threaten all this?

Wow - UK could declare ware simultaneously on USA and Russia- smash both to bits by breakfast and then also finish China off by time for elevenses!

I had no idea UK had all this power? - Sorry folks your President must have a serious mental health problem - we are so sorry for you.
32 kingsterj (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 10:41 am Report abuse
The way the Argentine peso is heading, I hope that they bring out the new 50 peso note CFK has launched in a perforated roll format , and is also fully absorbant. Where can we order a few rolls please?
33 Briton (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 11:10 am Report abuse
Four points
Britain is 'disappointed' with America over Falkland Islands, finds Commons report
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10740605/Britain-is-disappointed-with-America-over-Falkland-Islands-finds-Commons-report.html
,,,
We will join Argentina in its battle with Britain, say Chagos islanders
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/10740741/We-will-join-Argentina-in-its-battle-with-Britain-say-Chagos-islanders.html
,,,
'Unlawful and dangerous': Spanish ships stray into British-controlled water off Gibraltar
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/10739785/Unlawful-and-dangerous-Spanish-ships-stray-into-British-controlled-water-off-Gibraltar.html
,,,
Falklands a NATO nuclear base: Argentina
Says the self appointed empress of the Americas..
www.smh.com.au/world/falklands-a-nato-nuclear-base-argentina-20140403-zqq2d.html
,,
All this because we believe in democracy, and they all want dictatorships by aggression.
.
34 darragh (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 11:23 am Report abuse
“questioned the British government for not abiding by UN resolutions calling for Falklands sovereignty talks”

If KFC were to actually read the UN Resolutions instead of blathering about them she would see that the last resoltion to mention discussing sovereignty was 3906 on 1/11/84. Since then the UN Resolutions - 4021 27/11/85, 4140 - 25/11/86, 4219 -17/11/87 & 4325 - 17/11/88 have not mentioned it , instead saying “resolve peacefully and definitively the problems pending between the two countries” and of course there have been no UNGA Resolutions about the Falkland Islands since 1988.
35 Briton (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 11:31 am Report abuse
As long as she get her deluded victory, democracy and the rest of the free world can go and shove it,

she is totally utterly nuts.
36 CabezaDura2 (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 11:58 am Report abuse
23

There was always private security and rage against criminals who get to be killed or beaten after being reduced but never what we are seen today of organized self defence groups made by comunities like have showed up in Rosario and Cordoba.
37 PhraseWizard (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 01:08 pm Report abuse
Mice don't roar, and rubber-band paper pellet shooters don't “blast.” Every day that small-time Sicilian hoodlum's moll is off her leash (i.e. in public) the world's opinion of Argentines and their country sinks further.
38 golfcronie (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 01:31 pm Report abuse
@21 Santi
Hong Kong was a different kettle of fish, we leased Hong Kong from the Chinese that is why we gave it up. We would have done the same with the FALKLANDS but we have sovereignty over them, and we will never give them up unless the FALKLANDERS wish to do so, which will be never if Argentina keeps an economic blockade on them, and anyway what has Argentina got to offer the FALKLANDERS?
39 reality check (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 01:35 pm Report abuse
Well that's it for another year, strike the tent, douse the barbie, send the band home and get graphics started on the design of next years note.
40 Anbar (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 02:20 pm Report abuse
So..how longs she been in power now...?

and what progress has her lying cheating sack of lies earned her?

oh yeah.. zero.

Had to laugh at her contradicting her own propaganda chief though, they really need to make their minds up.
41 Devonian (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 02:29 pm Report abuse
I'm just reading a fascinating biography about Simon Bolivar and the tremendous tenacity he showed in helping to rid S. America of its Spanish colonisers. I now have a much better understanding as to why S. American countries have developed in the way they have and why their development has been so different from the USA for example. The Spanish colonisers of S. America were a pretty ghastly bunch of people and I think the effects of that colonisation still have a major impact on many S. Amercian countries and their governments even to this day. The USA moved on centuries ago. It's time for S.America to let go of its past and look to the future.
42 reality check (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 02:32 pm Report abuse
Me too, seems that the choir were singing from different hymn sheets.

What's that saying about piss up and breweries?
43 Rick from Maryland (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 02:42 pm Report abuse
“suggested UK should be less involved in wars and more in looking after its own people.”

Seems the UK cares enough about its own people to spend $31,000 per citizen to protect them.

I'll bet there are a lot of Argies who wish their own country cared that much about them.

And I gotta admit, I'm not to sure that I would be bragging about honorinig armed civilian airliner highjackers. I'm pretty sure that piece of news isn't going over to well with the rest of the world.

I'll bet the folks in Malasia probably don't think its such a greata idea.

They are probably wondering like I am. How out of touch with the rest of the world is that government?
44 niphotos (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 02:55 pm Report abuse
Just another rant from a silly woman ......... best ignored !!

Forever Falklands Forever British !
45 GFace (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 02:55 pm Report abuse
#43. I'm not one of the MH370 conspiracy theorists but I am sure there are a lot of adult (but irritatingly silent) argentines who are very grateful that this hasn't made the global news feeds given how frustrated and angry the families of the lost flight currently are. Even in a post-9/11 world it should give decent people pause. But not the Malvanazis. They have no sense of decency.
46 golfcronie (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 03:17 pm Report abuse
FFS... Chrissie, no-one is listening to your rants only your supporters. How can any-one live in SA and not be able to speak freely. Seems to me that anyone speaking out of turn is a TRAITOR. What a load of bollocks.
47 Audi Consilium (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 03:28 pm Report abuse
Is she still squawking? I thought she had died, retired or had 'disappeared' by now, surely its about her time to 'go' by now ? Come RG's, just 'man up' and sort her out. You know you really want to !
48 Rick from Maryland (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 04:14 pm Report abuse
And not to overlook the irony of critizing the UK's military's defense posture in the Falklands... on the anniversery of the Argintine INVASION!

Kinda like Hitler complaining about Churchhills defense spending in Britain...
49 Be serious (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 04:23 pm Report abuse
The time to get concerned is when Argyland stops bitching.
Until then we need to concentrate on getting all that oil safely extracted.
50 GFace (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 04:33 pm Report abuse
@48 More like Merkel and Abe complaining about US and British military while still celebrating... sorry “commemorating” ... the Rape of Nanjing and Invasion of Poland, insisting that they are now democracies so it's ok to “commemorate” them, all the while saying the Jews, Czechs, Koreans, Poles, Indonesians, Danes, French, Belgians, Borneans, Yugoslavs, Chinese, Ukrainians, Philippinoes,Bulgarians, Burmese, Thais, Mongolians, Slavs and all the rest, got JUST what they deserved from them and STILL need to be taught a lesson or two.
51 paulcedron (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 05:49 pm Report abuse
Britain is 'disappointed' with America over Falkland Islands, finds Commons report
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10740605/Britain-is-disappointed-with-America-over-Falkland-Islands-finds-Commons-report.html
52 Anbar (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 05:56 pm Report abuse
“”“”They are probably wondering like I am. How out of touch with the rest of the world is that government?“”“”

it is pretty staggering that Argentina has the nerve to celebrate a hijacking...and then criticise the UK for defending its friends in the Falklands on the anniversary of the Argentine invasion.

I wonder if her speech writers spotted that irony, or are they really so inured to stupidity that they truly thought it made some sort of sense?

--

cedron, yeahs its the Untrustworthy States of American still, at least until Osama Obama leaves office anyway.
53 paulcedron (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 06:05 pm Report abuse
not even the U.S.A backs the UK in the Malvinas issue?
that means nobody backs the UK?
54 GFace (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 06:32 pm Report abuse
@53 A moldy piece of toast is a sign of support of the Argentine Claim to you.

US State Deptartment supports the “status quo”. You know, the one that leaves the Islanders rights protected by the UK as they want it and not violated by Argentina. the US does not call for “sovereignty” talks when your government lacks the guts to even sit across a table from the Islanders. The US doesn't call for a “shared” sovereingty where 6 months of the year it's a crime to get the math on inflation right and 6 months they can calculate away with impunity. In 1982 they explicitly voted in a UNSC resolution your “commemorated” Junta to GET OUT of the Islands. And to go easy on you (a mistake I think because you need an intervention on this perpetual national delusion) they don't even call for you to take your non-case to the ICJ: the ONLY people who can go over the Islanders heads as per the UN Charter and everyone knows who they'll side with (hint: it's not Buenos Aires). Visitors to the Falklalands are not even mildly reprimanded or cautioned by US authorities for entering “British Occupied Argentine East Prussia.” Status quo is diplospeak for “we're cool with this.”

And that's just the stodgy state department. The US Congress has been more vocal in making bipartisan statements supporting the rights of the Islanders. The Islanders are free. They want NOTHING to do with you, and who can blame them. And there is NOTHING you can do about it. And with your ahem... “commemorations” (who are we kidding) of your invasion of Poland, I don't think they're going to be welcoming any offers to hand themselves over to your unrepentant government fascist whims.

Grow up. Move on. And take care of your country's own internal problems and hint: free happy Falklanders not having to ask your permission to be Falklanders isn't your problem -- unless you are a 21st century fascist. Which you claim you aren't.
55 Clyde15 (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 06:33 pm Report abuse
#53
Canada, Australia, New Zealand
As I said in another post to you , so what. Is America going to invade the UK,
have a trade embargo,cut off all ties and welcome Argentina as their new best friend. Dream on losers.
56 paulcedron (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 06:53 pm Report abuse
lol.
i do not want anything to do with the islets, the islanders, their sheep, their guano, etc, either.

it is just the Uk is increasingly alone in this matter.

as the article says:
“The report, released a day after the 32nd anniversary of the Argentinian invasion of the South Atlantic islands, highlights British frustration that Washington has refused to support the rights of the islanders to decide their own future.”

clearly the world gives the same importance to the falkland´s referendum than to the crimea´s referendum.

that is zero, nothing, nil, cero, nada
57 Brit Bob (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 06:55 pm Report abuse
Watch Argentina Defy a U.S. Judge

www.atfa.org/
58 reality check (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 07:11 pm Report abuse
someone seems to be particularly fond of the Independent.

In 2007, Alan Rusbridger, editor of The Guardian, said of The Independent: “The emphasis on views, not news, means that the reporting is rather thin, and it loses impact on the front page the more you do that.”[35] In a 12 June 2007 speech British Prime Minister Tony Blair called The Independent a “viewspaper”, saying it “was started as an antidote to the idea of journalism as views not news. That was why it was called the Independent. Today it is avowedly a viewspaper not merely a newspaper”.[36] The Independent criticised Blair's comments the following day.[37][38] The newspaper has since ironically changed format to include a 'Viewspaper' insert in the centre of the regular newspaper, designed to feature most of the opinion columns and arts reviews. In the 1990s, satirical magazine Private Eye frequently referred to The Independent as The Indescribablyboring.[39]

Like the “Indescribablyboring” bit.

Rather apt.
59 golfcronie (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 07:14 pm Report abuse
SELF DETERMINATION rules OK?
60 Briton (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 07:21 pm Report abuse
56’’@
it is just the Uk is increasingly alone in this matter.

On a deserted islands a million miles from human contact,
No phones, communication or satellite,
There they sit eat and sleep,
Great Britain, the Falklands, and a few others, all alone, deserted by the rest of the world,

And fully supported by 56@
Yet ignored by the great and mighty Argentina and its empire, ruled by empress CFK and her cohorts,
The whole world , slaves to this deluded twit,
Yet Britain and its few islands, alone in paradise, freedom and at peace,

And all because 56@
i do not want anything to do with the islets,

oh well,
lolol..

.
61 GFace (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 07:38 pm Report abuse
@56 “clearly the world gives the same importance to the falkland´s referendum than to the crimea´s referendum.”

That is because the rights of the Falklanders are not at risk as are the rights of ethnic Ukrainians in the Crimea (and for that matter, the Ukraine). The Brits and the Falklanders had a long-term set of evolving (and devolving) arrangements that meets to the Islanders liking and everyone of consequence knows this and is good with it. There is no need to rock that boat since it's floating considerably better than your country could manage if it were in control. And yes, from a strategic perspective the UK can “project” the islands and support its security needs form a weakened Argentina and anyone else who gets cocky which is indeed a NATO and overall to the multi-lateral global interest so stability and the status quo is met and attentions can be spent in more unstable places. All are happy, except for fascists who wanted the Junta in for “a little while longer” or otherwise want the Islanders under a jackboot.

Mind you, when your “commemorated” Junta tried to ram its Dirty War down the Falklanders throats at gunpoint in naked violation of the UN Charter, GA and SC Resolutions, for no reason other than to preserve its Dirty War at home but this time with the cheers of the people? Well... THEN the world's eyes were on the Falklands and there was considerable relief, including in the US, when the status quo was restored and the Islanders were safe from your Junta and you even had a shot of getting rid of the fascists like you going to anyway when Argentina invaded and you changed your collective mind. In 2014 and on the referendum day last year, their rights were safe from your country's obsession with violating them. So attention was mostly elsewhere on Referendum day (though it got quiet and soberly supported coverage from the worlds adult news agencies). Status Quo. Stability. Happy Falklanders. What's not to like? Unless you're a fascist.
62 Brit Bob (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 07:44 pm Report abuse
@56 Perhaps you don't remember the last time the UN GA Voted on whether to impose restrictions on the right to self-determination in 2008. The motion sponsored by Argen-turd-ia was defeated by 73 votes to 54. Lol
63 Briton (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 07:53 pm Report abuse
Hopefully soon, she will be out of power,
forgotten abt...lol
64 toooldtodieyoung (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 08:45 pm Report abuse
61 GFace

“Status Quo. Stability. Happy Falklanders.”

Great band....I mean GREAT BAND!!!! I mean “Rockin all over the world” is a modern classic.... right up there with “Stairway to Heaven” and “Baker Street”.

Not heard the other two yet but if there is a concert coming up I'll buy a ticket and get down there in the mosh pit!!!
65 Frank (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 09:12 pm Report abuse
Nigella @ #5, KFC @ #20 .... most people think it's an April fool joke..

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66 Rick from Maryland (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 09:13 pm Report abuse
Make no mistake.

The US firmly stands by the Falkland Islanders.

I only wish the best for Argentina. I hope you find your way to greatness and prosperity.

But you are not winning any friends with all this nonsense about the Falklands.

Celebrating and invasion of a people who clearly don't want you.
Celebrating the high jacking by armed terrorists of a civilian airliner...

Really? And you want the rest of the world to take you seriously? Trust you?
67 Monkeymagic (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 09:41 pm Report abuse
Paul

When the UNGA was last asked, 60+countries sided with the UK and 40 with Argentina....not alone and isolated at all
68 Jack Bauer (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 10:42 pm Report abuse
“The military expense in Malvinas accounts for 31,000 dollars per British citizen, that to keep a military base more than 13,000 km away (from London).”...so says the TMBOA....she means 'per Kelper“, not per ”British citizen”...she can't even get that right.....but why the hell is she so concerned with the cost to Britain ? it has nothing to do with her..
Quite frankly, am fed up with all the crap she spouts...it's always the same, she never changes tune.
69 JollyGoodFun (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 11:05 pm Report abuse
$31,000 - ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. I'm literally crying with laughter.

With Argentine arithmetic no wonder they continually default.

Debtor - umm excuse me Cristina you've only paid $5,00 dollars of the money you owe.

Cristina - ummmm no it's $35,000

Debtor - why?

Cristina - because I say so!

Debtor - you're bonkers!

Cristina - and beautiful!

Debtor - (cringes), WTF!

Poor Argentine people, you guys must be so embarrassed at your Government for not only tells lies, and more lies, but for telling ridiculous ones on a regular basis.
70 Pete Bog (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 11:15 pm Report abuse
“It is the law of the strongest. That who can trample over somebody’s head goes ahead and does “

That's what you did in 1982-but we trampled over you in the return leg.

”Paris, CFK blasted the US and Europe for rejecting the Crimea vote and ratifying instead the 2013 referendum in Malvinas where Falkland Islanders decided to remain a British Overseas Territory.“

Thought she said no one supported the UK on this? Make your mind up!

”The Argentine leader revealed that thanks to the strong support from Venezuela's 'eternal president' Hugo Chavez, Central America and the Caribbean countries now are strongly aligned behind Argentina in its sovereignty claims “

We're waiting if you lot fancy a crack?

” That is what the charter of the United Nations say“

Like Self Determination for all?

“International law and the respect of human rights, peace, territorial integrity” don't have much to say in today's world, according to Cristina Fernandez.”

It seems to respect the Islander's human rights, their peace is kept by the UK, and the territorial integrity of the Falklands with the UK is respected by MPA.

“aircraft armed with long-range ballistic missiles”

There are Vulcans at MPA with Blue Steel? or Victors?

Well she won't like that as Argentina has something in common with Dr Spock....

“The British government does not break down its military expenses in Malvinas“

There are no British forces in Malvinas-that's near Cordoba isn't it?

”support the UN resolution which simply calls on the US to sit and discuss the issue of the Malvinas sovereignty question”

Don't they want dialogue with the UK? Not that they came when it was offered last year.
71 malen (#) Apr 03rd, 2014 - 11:45 pm Report abuse
www.lanacion.com.ar/167776
here we have intercepted another pic of the natural habitat where these “penguins” live
commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mount_Pleasant_Airport_-_Donald_Morrison.jpg
hope the links function
72 *~TROLLING_CEASE_FIRE~* (#) Apr 04th, 2014 - 04:08 am Report abuse
@41

I'm afraid you don't have a better understanding, only an awareness, which is better than a benighted state. But generally speaking, it is useless to look to the future when the past remains unresolved.

As for the entirety of the rest of this thread, surprise! The UK and Argentina don't get along, and will never again get along as nations. Big deal.
73 slattzzz (#) Apr 04th, 2014 - 08:03 am Report abuse
@21 Santi first of all it's the British Goverment and secondly HONG KONG without a shot being fired? Suggest you do some research on Hong Kong pal, there was never a chance of a shpt being fired
74 Frankdrebin (#) Apr 04th, 2014 - 08:20 am Report abuse
Assuming its $31,000 per Falkland islander, £57,000,000 is money well spent. True, it could be spent better else where but when you have a country as unstable as Argentina with an expansionist agenda in close proximity to small, peaceful and soon to be oil and gas rich community of people you cant take the chance.

To be honest I don't know why we even bother having diplomatic relations with Argentina.
75 JollyGoodFun (#) Apr 04th, 2014 - 08:58 am Report abuse
@74 - exactly, I would gladly spend $31,000 and more protecting freedom and the Falkland Islanders. You can't put a price on it!
76 downunder (#) Apr 04th, 2014 - 09:47 am Report abuse
“and suggested UK should be less involved in wars and more in looking after its own people”

So the Argentine president sees fit to give the UK government advice as how it should conduct its affairs and professes concern for the welfare of the British people! What a sick joke this woman is.

Christina and the rest of her clowns are so obsessed with the UK and trying to usurp its overseas territories that it has become the primary focus of their attention and efforts. No wonder her country is descending into financial collapse, chaos and anarchy.

Christina should take a page out of her own song book and look to the welfare of her people instead of pretending to be a big shot on the world stage.
77 RICO (#) Apr 04th, 2014 - 12:53 pm Report abuse
So assuming that there are 2000 personnel on the Islands then the cost of stationing a person on the Islands is $1.3 billion. She must think that each person gets paid the same as she manages to rake from the Argentine economy.
78 *~TROLLING_CEASE_FIRE~* (#) Apr 04th, 2014 - 01:46 pm Report abuse
@74

Precisely. I have suggested many times here that the UK would do well by shutting down its embassy in Buenos Aires, and retiring all diplomatic presence back to London. Good relations are just not going to happen. Forget the Falklands, even if by some miracle that was solved to the satisfaction of both parties, there are 20 issues behind that which would be insurmountable: Fishing, trade barriers, Antarctica, UN security council, the UK policy of preemptively attacking another nation, down to even silly things like monarchy, or the name for the supposed “Southern Ocean”.

The list is redoubtable. British and Argentine mentality are 100% opposed, there are not on this planet two societies that find each other to be so low and contemptible as these two about each other.

There will never be fruitful exchange, so diplomatic missions are superfluous. Any needs of British citizens can be served from Montevideo or Santiago.
79 Devonian (#) Apr 04th, 2014 - 03:11 pm Report abuse
@78. As a nation you're not much admired by your fellow S. American neighbours. Yes they support you on various issues for the sake of Latin American unity but scratch just below the surface and they really don't like you very much. Argentina has always considered itself to be a cut above other S. American nations - rather like the British attitude to its continental neighbours - so perhaps that is something we do have in common!
80 *~TROLLING_CEASE_FIRE~* (#) Apr 04th, 2014 - 03:22 pm Report abuse
@79

But currently it is the other Latin American nations that consider themselves above Argentina, look at how the Chileans and Uruguayans express themselves in this forum. Which goes to show that people don't learn from other's mistakes. The Chileans and Uruguayans had always promised they would never behave so, but as soon as some statistics back them up, there goes their ego trip to 2o.000 meters.

So all those decades of them pointing fingers at Argentina for such supercilious dealings were nothing but posturing and duplicity, because in the end it just appears to be human nature to believe yourself superior when you deem that the facts back your outlook up.

I don't think your comparison with the UK is accurate. The UK wants no relations with the Europeans, but seek relations with its former colonies. Argentina always sought an isolationist stance. So snubbing South America was not done to cozy up to the USA, since Argentina has never bowed to their whims either.

Argentina wants in general to be left alone, it sees nothing in other nations that is worth truly making an effort at good relations. The Falklands is an exception because it is a societal obsession sadly, one that like all obsessions are infuriatingly excruciating to extirpate.
81 Clyde15 (#) Apr 04th, 2014 - 05:40 pm Report abuse
#80
Where do you get the idea that Britain wants nothing to do with Europe.
You have totally misinterpreted Britain's stance.
Britain is quite happy with Europe as a trading partner but what it does not want is to be part of an United States of Europe which is being foisted on us by bureaucrats in Brussels.
We joined a common market and gradually it has moved from this to the makings of a state whose laws now have precedence over national laws.
No one in the UK had a chance to vote on this creeping take over of our national sovereignty. That is what we don't like, not the other countries in Europe.

You confuse the feelings of anti Argentine posters here and assume the whole of the UK is similarly obsessed. I cannot speak for the whole of the UK but I see no evidence for this. Apart from football and rugby, Argentina does not figure in the national psyche. Apart from the Falklands, which for my generation is still a raw nerve when we hear your government's diatribes, Argentina does not come into the conversation.

As to removing diplomatic relations, that is how shooting wars start.
It is better to talk than fight with terrible consequences for all.

For example, an Argentine warship or aircraft enters Falkland's territorial waters and refuses to leave. As we have no diplomatic relations and cannot contact your government, we sink it or shoot it down. This is the kind of thing that can happen.

As to your list of items on which we could never agree, compromises have been made with other even more obdurate countries. It is better to work on things that are mutually beneficial than say no. Even the Soviet Union said yes after decades of nyet !
82 yankeeboy (#) Apr 04th, 2014 - 06:38 pm Report abuse
80. You keep saying Argentina wants to be isolated but the facts are not on your side.
Last week they were BEGGING for more U$ from the IDB and WB. They are BEGGING the Paris Club to accept a deal. They are BEGGING Int'l Oil companies to explore VM.
You either know nothing about your own country or you are deliberately misleading people.
It is too bad you grew up in the ”won decade (haha) because the rest of your life is going to be filled with deprivation and misery.

I hope you didn't sell your sugar yet.
Wait until next year.
It will be even worse than this year.
83 Briton (#) Apr 04th, 2014 - 06:49 pm Report abuse
Mind you, it does not help, when government's allow her to go to their country then let her slag of their allies and friends,

perhaps if other countries just ignored her, she might go away..
84 reality check (#) Apr 04th, 2014 - 08:39 pm Report abuse
The Argentine Ambassador to the UN announces the the Government of Argentina will shortly produce irrefutable evidence before the UNSC that the UK has a secret NATO BASE lost Islands Malvinas.

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85 Briton (#) Apr 05th, 2014 - 06:50 pm Report abuse
Well if she can do this miracle,
the, the British government should immediately and straight away,
employ CFK as British intelligence officer for overseas secrets.

Apparently she can prove that the S.A.S. has a secret training camp on the Argentine mainland trying to upset the government...lol.
you just could not make it up.
86 Don Alberto (#) Apr 05th, 2014 - 08:34 pm Report abuse
Cristina Birdbrain:

“31,000 dollars per British citizen”

App 68 million British citizen multiplied by 31,000 = 2 108 000 000 000 (2.1 trillion) US dollars or 1 271 000 000 000 (1.27 trillion) UK pounds every year. Quite a bit of money, ain't it?

“'NATO's most powerful and armed base' in the Falklands.”
“strong support from Venezuela's 'eternal president' Hugo Chavez” - dead, ain't he?
““violating” the Treaty for the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons in Latin America and the Caribbean ”
“aircraft armed with long-range ballistic missiles “that could reach several areas in the Southern Cone and even Ecuador”” - not to mention Norway and Iceland.

If you made it up, that somebody had said so, nobody would believe you.

The blood clot in her brain was obviously VERY serious.
87 toooldtodieyoung (#) Apr 06th, 2014 - 09:31 am Report abuse
86 Don Alberto

““violating” the Treaty for the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons in Latin America and the Caribbean ”

I am loving that one because so far as I was aware, the UK never signed up to that one did we?

Your comment about:-

“strong support from Venezuela's 'eternal president' Hugo Chavez” - dead, ain't he?

You know, I think you might be right, she DOES needs another check up from the neck up
88 Frank (#) Apr 06th, 2014 - 09:34 am Report abuse
Hang on... US supports Argentina re the Falklands but at the same time, as a member of NATO , is party to the deployment of nuclear weapons - designed to stick it up the RGs- in the Falklands???????

How does that work?
89 Briton (#) Apr 06th, 2014 - 06:47 pm Report abuse
And she want the world to give her respect,
shit before the shovel, springs to mind..
90 toooldtodieyoung (#) Apr 06th, 2014 - 08:42 pm Report abuse
89 Briton

“And she want the world to give her respect......”

If she dropped the “3-year-old-having-a-tantrum” attitude, started paying her bills and stopped bleeding the country dry......that would be a start!!

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