Wednesday, April 9th 2014 - 07:03 UTC

Algeciras mayor highlights 'English occupation' of Gibraltar and the Falklands

The mayor of the Spanish town of Algeciras, Jose Ignacio Landaluce flew back this weekend from Argentina, where he had attended a twinning ceremony with Rio Grande, Tierra del Fuego that sought to highlight the ‘English occupation’ of Gibraltar and the Falkland Islands.

Landaluce participated of a twinning ceremony at the city of Rio Grande, Tierra del Fuego during the 32nd anniversary of the Falklands war

 The mayor, whose trip drew flak from the Spanish PSOE opposition in the Algeciras town council, also attended a series of events to commemorate the 32nd anniversary of the Argentine invasion of the Falkland Islands.

Last Friday Landaluce addressed the twinning event and spoke about the environmental and cultural ‘similarities’ between Algeciras and the Rio Grande. But a section of his message centered on Gibraltar and the Falklands.

“There is another characteristic that unites us, and does so through a pain that brings us close, very close, something that is ours, and that is our territory,” he reportedly said.

Landaluce said both countries had made their claims in the UN and other international forums “…in the knowledge that conversations between sovereign states must also listen to the populations that live in the two colonies.”

“Here the Falklands, and 11,000 kilometers from where we are, the Rock of Gibraltar,” he said. “Brothers from Rio Grande fervently hoping to see a white and blue flag over [the Falklands], and us maintaining a sovereignty claim for over 300 years.”

The mayor’s trip was sharply criticized in sections of the British press and in Algeciras itself, where the twinning move was only revealed on the eve of the mayor’s trip.

Andrés Dachary, the official responsible for international relations in the Rio Grande municipality, reflected on the negative coverage that the twinning event had generated.

“What justifies such as disproportionate response?” he asked, according to reports in the Argentine media. “We believe this proposal has touched a nerve and introduced a rule of play that did not exist in the logic of the Rock of Gibraltar and the Falklands.”

“The potential that this has is what has unleashed this response.”

When it was first unveiled in Rio Grande last November, the municipality’s top official, Gustavo Melella, said that both cities shared a common feature. “Part of our land is occupied by the English,” he told Argentine reporters at the time. “We are in the same situation”.

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1 Vulcanbomber (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 07:21 am Report abuse
Perhaps the UK needs to start banging the drum about the occupation of Ceuta and Melilla.

Maybe Gibralter could twin with a town or two in the catalan area, could be funny, perhaps the Falklands ould twin with Gibralter, some catalan towns and Munich, as they seem to be interested in splitting from Germany at some stage
2 Anglotino (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 07:45 am Report abuse
The UK, Gibraltar and the Falkland Islands for have to do diddly squat.

You could have every single official from both Spain and Argentina say the same thing and there will be no effect. They are on the wrong side of history. The existence of these two nations is now permanent and neither Spain nor Argentina has ever given a single reason for them to join their neighbours. Nor trust them.

The UK will one day lose sovereignty over these two BOTs. However the result won't make Spain or Argentina any happier (or bigger).
3 Zool (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 08:59 am Report abuse
Spain is trapped in the EURO & many in its government want out but they are in a financial prison, powerless to do anything while they watch their country deteriorate. What better way to get out than destroy the foundations of the EU & further undermine the membership of Britain, one of the few non Euro members who's already on verge of leaving & who's departure would cause the collapse of the EU freeing Spain.
4 FI_Frost (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 09:07 am Report abuse
Presumably Rio Grande and Tierra del Fuego also supports Spain's North African colonial enclaves? “Arh, but, yes but, no but....blah blah blah”.

And so it goes, a new coalition of the hypocrtics and flag burners forms into immediate obscurity and to be instantly ignored by anyone that matters.
5 Britworker (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 10:01 am Report abuse
The Spanish were warned by the UK that they would be judged by the company they keep.

One thing is for certain, teaming up with Argentina to further their cause is the kiss of death to their cause.
6 Brit Bob (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 10:20 am Report abuse
A nobody from a failing State is utters support with others from a failed State. Whoopee do.
7 GeoffWard2 (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 10:21 am Report abuse
'Landaluce ... spoke about the environmental and cultural ‘similarities’ between Algeciras and the Rio Grande (TdF)'!

Man, this guy has a great imagination!
8 GALlamosa (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 10:31 am Report abuse
Spain is a member of NATO. Is Spain occupyiong the Falklands ? I see this didn't come up. Wonder why ?
9 A_Voice (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 10:47 am Report abuse
“Part of our land is occupied by the English,”

How many lessons do people actually need to understand the difference between English and British...?
I'm sure there are many English occupying part of your land and they will no doubt also be British....and also invited to retire or live there.....
...if you are referring to Falklands or Gibraltar.....it would be British.....
...Jeez.....
10 FI_Frost (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 11:09 am Report abuse
And how much do Spanish Algeciras trawlers pay FIG for fishing licenses? Malvinas squid I should add! Yerh, keep schum about that one Jose you cheeky rascal.
11 macsilvinho (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 11:42 am Report abuse
Yes, yes, the British occupy the Falklands and Gibraltar and what do the Spanish do in Melilla y Ceuta enclaved in Marocco?
12 Usurping Pirate (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 12:43 pm Report abuse
This should read “ The mayor of Algeciras has just returned from a holiday in Argentina paid for by Argentine taxpayers . Two years ago , the same mayor was barring Argentines from his town in protest at Cristina nationalizing YPF , but hey , that's politics !!! ”
13 ilsen (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 01:11 pm Report abuse
This irrelevant Mayor is just trying to make a name for himself. Probably be forgotten in a couple of weeks.
14 Gordo1 (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 01:37 pm Report abuse
If anyone has any connection with Gibraltar they would be aware that the “llanitos” are very far from being English - so this idiot is talking pure crap! There aren't too many Englishmen with surnames like Sánchez or Rodríguez as there are in Gibraltar.
15 ilsen (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 02:06 pm Report abuse
Very interesting article in panampost.com today, based on an interview Judge Ricardo Manuel Rojas from Buenos Aires.

panampost.com/belen-marty/2014/04/03/our-islands-overcoming-the-falklands-war-political-football/

An erudite, educated gent with a contribution to the discussion with out prejudice or nationalism.
16 CaptainSilver (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 02:07 pm Report abuse
If the English move out of Spain, Spain would collapse. Thats why my buy to lets and second home are in Cornwall. Much less crime there too.
17 Gordo1 (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 02:18 pm Report abuse
What a meaningful interview with Judge Ricardo Manuel Rojas! But wait, as soon as the trolls see it he will be deemed to be a “cipayo”, which he is not!
18 paulcedron (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 03:04 pm Report abuse
“If the English move out of Spain, Spain would collapse. Thats why my buy to lets and second home are in Cornwall. Much less crime there too.”

if the english move out from spain, crime rate would decrease to the minimum.
not by chance britain is the capital of violent crime of europe.
“UK is violent crime capital of Europe”
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe.html

not to mention the quality of english tourists and immigrants.
“See Britain's most wanted 'unlucky 13' thought to be on the run in Spain”
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britains-most-wanted-13-criminals-2790050#ixzz2yOwz2igp

“Briton Ian Bennett 'kills his dad' in a fight on holiday in Spain”
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/briton-ian-bennett-kills-dad-2240411#ixzz2yOxLC8fX

it seems british police and migration authorities are pretty useless to detain their own criminals in their own territory.
so it must be done by the rest of the countries...
19 Gordo1 (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 03:19 pm Report abuse
Cedron - your “highlights” concern a very small minority of the British residents and tourists to Spain. So really they are of no concern to the British readers here.

In fact, there are some indications that there may be more Spaniards incarcerated in British jails that there are Brits in Spanish jails. Mainly for drugs offences.

Having lived in Spain for many years and in receipt of a Spanish state pension I can testify to the fact that the British are generally very well received there.
20 Benson (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 03:43 pm Report abuse
@18
The UK have a wider meaning to violent crime than some counties. If you slapped me in the UK you would get done for assult and it would me marked up as a violent crime, in France it wouldn't be considered a violent crime.

“See Britain's most wanted 'unlucky 13' thought to be on the run in Spain”
All that says to me is that if you are a criminal you are better off in Spain.
21 paulcedron (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 03:47 pm Report abuse
19
at least as tourists, it seems the english are not well received in any place of the world.

British 'world's worst tourists'
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/2137729.stm

UK tourists 'among worst in the world'
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1552388/UK-tourists-among-worst-in-the-world.html
22 CaptainSilver (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 04:00 pm Report abuse
Paul, 'most prolific tourists' would be a better description. The young British Chavs are pretty awful, and they mainly go to Spain, Cyprus and Ibiza. We are ashamed of them, but the other 98% are well behaved and good tippers. Remember that as you wait at their table.
23 Clyde15 (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 04:09 pm Report abuse
#18
See Britain's most wanted 'unlucky 13' thought to be on the run in Spain”

Why did they choose Spain ? Was it because the Spanish don't care as long as you have money to bribe local officials ?

“UK is violent crime capital of Europe”

Your figures relate to 2007, have you nothing more recent.
Are we comparing like-for-like ?
24 Conqueror (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 04:27 pm Report abuse
@18 You may be right. It's hard to envisage “crime” where nothing exists. And that, for the most part, is what spain is. Nothing. Miles and miles of scrub. Then there's the vegetation. Miles and miles and miles of scrub.
@21 Yeah. But then most of the world is pretty ignorant and uneducated. A hotel in spain. Manager: “Please don't run the shower so much. It's dripping into the foyer”. Armed thugs patrolling the streets. And spain is supposed to be “civilised”? Not in a thousand years!
25 ynsere (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 04:39 pm Report abuse
The Gibraltarians seem to be as wary of Spain as the Falkland Islanders are of Argentina.
26 paulcedron (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 04:55 pm Report abuse
but the best part of british tourists is this:
“British women tourists are the 'ugliest in the world'”
www.express.co.uk/news/uk/197439/British-women-tourists-are-the-ugliest-in-the-world

add to all that, that british tourists are famous for three main activities: drinking, vomiting and after that, quarreling among themselves.

luckily they do not come here too often, except for the polo season.
you can recognize them very easily.
when you see a fat, rounded face, red as if it is going to explode, vomiting everywhere, well, that is a brit.
27 Gordo1 (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 05:44 pm Report abuse
@21 paulcedron - it is curious that the source of your very petty observations are both British - the BBC and the Daily Telegraph. In other words we are being called to order for our misdemeanours by our own media.

I wonder whether the same applies to Spain and Argentina.
28 GALlamosa (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 06:19 pm Report abuse
#15 Thanks, that's interesting.
29 FI_Frost (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 07:11 pm Report abuse
@26 paulcedron

Tell me, what percentage of RG woman have the financial freedom to be a tourist in a foreign land? Models and milloinare polo players account for diddly squat. Even the lowest grade workers in the UK can enjoy foreign holidays thanks to competive airlines and travel industry: you likely haven't a clue what these are.

The only RG's outside Argentina I ever meet are those waiting on tables and cleaning hotel toilets. But then, such is the lot of you third worlders. Sorry.
30 Brit Bob (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 07:40 pm Report abuse
@29 Because of currency restrictions, the Argies are only allowed to take ten-bob at a time out of their Banana Republic.
31 cheekychulo (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 08:03 pm Report abuse
I'm not sure what Rio Grande is like, but Algeciras is a proper dump of a town ... empty run down shops and high unemployment.
The Ironic thing is that the spaniards living there have only 2 employment chances..... go and work in Gib or get a job in a restaurant serving British tourists and expats .
32 paulcedron (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 08:20 pm Report abuse
until 2013 there was a record of argentinian tourists traveling abroad.
sadly nobody chose britain as their destination

britain with its wonderful beaches, great weather, great food and wine, beautiful women, wonderful natural atractions (their mountains, glaciers and waterfalls are astonishing), would have been a good tourist destination

guess that is the reason the usual dimwits here did not see any argentinian there.

www.todounpais.com/en/es/201312041912/noticias/nacional/el-2013-fue-record-de-turistas-argentinos-que-viajaron-al-exterior.html

historico.elpais.com.uy/130213/ultmo-695464/ultimomomento/record-de-gasto-de-turistas-argentinos-en-el-extranjero/
33 FI_Frost (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 09:02 pm Report abuse
@32 paul

Yes, yes, but as I said, the RGs here and other places work in the kitchen and back stairs.

Again, you people can't afford to travel abroad for holidays. Has it sunk in yet? Do you get the point? Don't make me reply again in CAPS lock mode....
34 screenname (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 09:20 pm Report abuse
Wonder how he feels about the Latin occupation of the Americas? Or the Latin occupation of the Emirate of Granada?

“There is another characteristic that unites us”, he says...err, yes...hypocrisy.
35 Jack Bauer (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 09:56 pm Report abuse
@15 Ilsen : at last, good to the read the opinion of an educated Argentine......but then again, it's usually the ignorant minority that isn't capable of thinking for itself , that makes the most noise....
36 ilsen (#) Apr 09th, 2014 - 11:06 pm Report abuse
@35 Jack B
and
28 GALlamosa (#)
#15 Thanks, that's interesting.

Although I do rant occasionally I do try to contribute. So, thanks for your recognition.

Unfortunately some people think that to crictise the alleged faults of the UK somehow justifies the the failings of other countries.
An arguement I do not employ.
I am extremely critical of the countries in SA that I have experience of, (meaning I have house/business/family there), or have studied at University in UK or or those countries (post-grad), or do business with currently!
I am critical with both experience and justification - see above.

I have family who inform me, and I travel/work there regulary, unlike some.

However, I genuinely want the best for LA, I just despair of CERTAIN regimes. The Pacific Alliance looks promising though.
37 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 10th, 2014 - 01:41 am Report abuse
32 Paul

Idiota Troll,
A few short months ago, before you arrived, another Argentine troll was arguing that Argentines had no economic problems, and could well afford to travel, evidenced by the great numbers who visited London each year.

At the next meeting, please stop talking and listen more carefully to what is going on. Get your story straight.

Sheesh !!
38 paulcedron (#) Apr 10th, 2014 - 02:00 am Report abuse
37
you are not too bright, are you?
who said there are no economic problems in argentina?
not me, you dumbass.
now, it is a fact that the middle class traveled a lot abroad in the last 2 years cause it was relatively cheap paying with a credit card.
credit card dollar was almost 50% cheaper then the blue one.
got it, genius?

not a surprise that you opine without knowing a sh*t.
39 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 10th, 2014 - 02:31 am Report abuse
32 Pablo-niño

“sadly nobody chose britain as their destination” says Pablo

“Argentines are world travellers and many many are seen in London each year, simply because they can afford to go there... ” etc. etc. say the other Trolls.

Hmmm, a bit of a contradiction.

However, I agree there should be a sharp decline in ordinary Argentine middle classe visitors now, as the Peso flatlines against the US $ and the £.

Soon, only the K's and their favoured cronies will have money to go to UK.
40 ilsen (#) Apr 10th, 2014 - 07:33 am Report abuse
Pablo. Most Argies I have met in London work in hotels. Not reside in them.

I doubt you have ever left Argentina. If you ever make it out of the Dark Country l will endeavour to find you employment.
Maybe you could clean Mr Troy's brogues with your tongue?

Meanwhile, stock up on sugar, soap and LPG. Enjoy eating catfood all winter.

I doubt you will be on here much more. When the Argentine economy tanks, your Internet will die. I suggest you sell your computer before it gets stolen.

Good luck with lynchings!

F* kin barbarians!
41 Leiard (#) Apr 10th, 2014 - 07:45 am Report abuse
@ paulcedron

So no one wants to visit the UK, unfortunately the figures to not agree with your point.

International visitors 2012
UK 29.3 million
Argentina 5.5 million
42 inthegutter (#) Apr 10th, 2014 - 08:27 am Report abuse
#32 paulcedron

”britain with its wonderful beaches, great weather, great food and wine, beautiful women, wonderful natural atractions (their mountains, glaciers and waterfalls are astonishing), would have been a good tourist destination”

You're right we do have wonderful beaches - from the unspoilt Orkneys to the sandy beaches of Devon and Cornwall and even the pebbly beaches of Sussex. Weather can be a bit up and down. It's true, we do have great food - a large number of Michelin stared restaurants (157 - how many does Argentina have by the way?) and possibly the most diverse cuisine in the world. You're right, we have some beautiful scenery, from Cornwall and Devon, the South Downs, through the Lake District to the highlands. Of course, what we really excel in is culture - for example, we have 3 of the top 5 visited museums in the entire world - and they're ALL FREE.

As already pointed out the UK receives almost 6 times as many tourists as Argentina. You really are not very clever are you? I'm still intrigued where your rambling anti-British vitriol comes from.

P.S. “beautiful women” - Assuming you're being sarcastic... this comment just demonstrates how much of a child you are, the UK is a state, NOT a fucking brothel for sex tourists.
43 Gordo1 (#) Apr 10th, 2014 - 11:30 am Report abuse
paulcedron is miffed because of all the contradictions to his juvenile and immature posts - he is throwing his toys out of his pram! Silly billy!
44 Pete Bog (#) Apr 10th, 2014 - 02:44 pm Report abuse
@32

Can't see anything wrong with the beaches at Shell Island but I understand last year why Argentine tourists may not have fancied it.

I called out a yellow chopper to pick a lad out of the sea and I believe Prince William was flying it-obviously an unarmed yellow Sea King is an Argentine's worst nightmare, but don't worry amigos-Prince William is no longer based nearby, so if Sea Kings minus the Prince don't worry you-try Shell Island or any other beach you fancy.

Sorry you will not see many burning tyres......
45 Gordo1 (#) Apr 10th, 2014 - 03:23 pm Report abuse
For the educations of paulcedron

www.beachtomato.com/travel/we-recommend/secret-british-beaches/#.U0a3U1yqyr0
46 paulcedron (#) Apr 10th, 2014 - 03:57 pm Report abuse
yes, when you think of a beach, you think of england.
they are great, most of all during the summer, with -5° C.
during the winter it is a bit colder.
but the best thing is that it never rains there.

troy and ilsen / dumb and dumber / mr and mrs tempest.
funny you talk about tourist destinations.
but first try to visit them, not talking by “boca de ganso”.
when was the last time you left the islets?
never?
lol
47 reality check (#) Apr 10th, 2014 - 04:07 pm Report abuse
Wow, what an Epiphany!

It's bloody colder here than it is in South America.

Would never have guessed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
48 Gordo1 (#) Apr 10th, 2014 - 04:16 pm Report abuse
Even more British beaches for your delight

www.cntraveller.com/recommended/uk/britains-best-beaches/west-wittering-west-sussex
49 paulcedron (#) Apr 10th, 2014 - 04:22 pm Report abuse
wow, beautiful. lol
must be great to go surfing there with minus 15° C
and drink a coconut juice beside a palm tree.

how many rainy days a year do you have in england?
360?
50 Clyde15 (#) Apr 10th, 2014 - 05:04 pm Report abuse
#49
Guess what, we actually HAVE palm trees growing in the western parts of Britain. Yes we can do coconut juice if so required but there are other beverages...local and imported, available

Another “first” for you. International surfing competitions are held in Tiree and Dunnet Head sands and attract the world's best surfers. I don't recognize your temperatures of -15°C as a frequent low on the coast , in the Cairngorms maybe but nobody surfs at 1300 metres altitude in Winter...snowboard mainly

Depends where you are in Britain for rainfall.

How many days rain on the equator in the Amazon basin ....365 and 366 in a leap year.

I think you should take your own advice sonny, READ A BOOK !!!
51 paulcedron (#) Apr 10th, 2014 - 05:49 pm Report abuse
ski resort, english style
highest point: 0.00 meter
slope: 0 %
snow depth: 0.01 meter
kind of snow: artificial
quantity of ski runs: 1
number of ski lifts: 0
ski run length: 20 meter
www.snowdome.co.uk/ski-snowboard/

ski resort, argentinian style
highest point: 3400 meter
slope: from 12% to 53%
snow depth: from 0.5 to 6 meter
kind of snow: natural
quantity of ski runs: 35
number of ski lifts: 12
average ski run length: 8000 meter
www.laslenas.com/esp/index.php

lol
52 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 10th, 2014 - 06:33 pm Report abuse
51 Pabby O' Furniture

Pabby niño,
You probably don't realise that the Brits can simply nip next door, not far at all, and enjoy a ski holiday in Switzerland France Austria perhaps.
Favourable currency exchange and less distance than most Argentines need to travel - by “overnight bus” or whatever.

Whereas,
Argentina - I bet business will start to suffer now.
Soon, it will only be the Chileans or Bolivians that can afford Argentine resorts. In fact, good for you that as your Ruble or 'strung-beads' worthless currency plummets, more foreigners will come for a cheap Argie holiday and you will line to be attendants or waiters, scrabbling for tips.

After the 2014 Brazillian WC fiasco, followed by the impending Olympics disaster, few Euros will travel to South America for a holiday - you don't have the infrastructure!

How many buildings, Malls, Airports, houses, do you think will be constructed in BA or Argentina with a Real Estate crash and a consumer base that has dried up?
How many jobs for Pablo the wannabe architect ??

Havanna might be hiring junior positions for a while, yet, and there is always seasonal work at the resorts.

Enjoy your future.
53 Pete Bog (#) Apr 10th, 2014 - 06:59 pm Report abuse
@49

“how many rainy days a year do you have in england?
360?2

Quite a lot in 2013-but I don't recognise the -15 oc?

Looks like Argentina is trying to copy the UK again with the rain you've had.

”ski resort, argentinian style”

Fair point-if you happen to be a skier. But then surely Switzerland and Austria are better than Argentina for that?
54 Gordo1 (#) Apr 10th, 2014 - 06:59 pm Report abuse
@paulcedron - you may mock us and you are welcome to do so! But how do you explain Britain is among the top destinations for international tourists?

Maybe it is due to the cultural activities that are on offer? For example, the theatres, opera and ballet performances which are packed out night after night. Or may be the restaurant scene, which in spite of the reputation of English food, is now a subject of much envy, even from the French.

Tourists are generally welcome here and even the most naive of them is treated with respect - we don't often hear about visitors to Britain being murdered as has happened recently in Argentina.
55 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 10th, 2014 - 07:21 pm Report abuse
51 Palo Casey

Argentina should look forward to hordes of Chinese big spenders at their tourist resorts...

Oops, I guess not
www.gatewaytosouthamerica-newsblog.com/argentina-commercial/argentina-it-seems-chinese-tourists-are-not-welcome/

“Out of every 10 Chinese requesting visas to visit our country at Argentine consulates in China, 9 are turned down.
Only about 23,000 Chinese arrive in Argentina every year, compared with 400,000 in Brazil and 1m in the US, it adds.”

Oh, dear.

I guess they are not “white enough” and might stay in Argentina, right Pablo ??
56 Jack Bauer (#) Apr 10th, 2014 - 07:36 pm Report abuse
Troy@55, the fact that 90% of the Chinese who apply for visas to the Argentine are turned down, is Argentina's loss.... billions of USD they don't get in tourist revenues...and even if the Chinese DO go with the intention of staying on illegally, so what ?? at least they stay on to work and to make money, not sponge off the taxpayers. Here in Sao Paulo, you see more n more chinese every day, perhaps many illegal, but none of them are begging in streets or getting involved in petty crime.
57 Britworker (#) Apr 10th, 2014 - 08:28 pm Report abuse
@15
Fascinating reading from that Argentine judge. Argentina needs to forget about the Falklands for 100 years. A very sensible idea indeed. However, all the indications are that they are going to whip themselves up into another frenzy and do something very very stupid again.

It is clear though from their very own judiciary that they stand absolutely no chance of taking the islands on any legal footing.
58 ilsen (#) Apr 10th, 2014 - 09:44 pm Report abuse
Yup I found it pretty interesting too. Good to know that there are some reasoned opinion formers in Argentina.
59 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 10th, 2014 - 10:00 pm Report abuse
Jack B @56

Jack,

Got to admit I'm troll-baiting here.
Obviously, it is very short-sighted of the Arg. government to deny them entrance. From what I read, the Chinese in Argentina are entrepreneurs and run many small businesses - probably not qualifying for any Government programs, as they are fully employed and deemed to be able to afford to pay taxes.
Any new “illegals” would not be a drain on the government welfare system.
I wonder if the Arg government simply does not recognise the income potential from Chinese tourism and investment, or is it being racist and/ or protectionist ??

I am interested to see if Pab lo Casey wishes to embrace this relationship, or labels the Chinese as a “threat”.

I know what Dunny Burger would say.

Have you noticed that “Stevie” is MIA - keeping his head down, at any rate?
60 Jack Bauer (#) Apr 10th, 2014 - 10:46 pm Report abuse
Troy@59, yep....have noticed, no Stevie.....yet...
61 paulcedron (#) Apr 10th, 2014 - 10:56 pm Report abuse
55
troy
“I guess they are not “white enough” and might stay in Argentina, right Pablo ??”

did you ask that same question to the british, for instance?
it seems they not only reject those who are “not white enough” (pakis -you call them so, don´t you?- indians, arabs, muslims in general, chinese, etc) but also those who are “white enough” like romanians and bulgarians.

you reject everything, probably you think you are some kind of superior race. lol

guess you loved that wonderful british campaign against immigration.

paranoids like you and the ukip thought that 30 million romani and bulgarian migrants would invade the uk as if it was the paradise on earth.
ha
not even 30 of them went to little britain

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/dr-ion-jinga/romanians-migration-to-the-uk_b_4712985.html
62 ilsen (#) Apr 11th, 2014 - 12:58 am Report abuse
Last census showed that 192 different languages or dialects are spoken in London.

I guess they must be all the people Pablo thinks the British have 'rejected' lol!

Pope-on-a-rope we even let Argies in! Argentines have a reputation in Latin America for being racist snobs. However, the Brits let them come as they make great waiters and dishwashers.
63 paulcedron (#) Apr 11th, 2014 - 01:27 am Report abuse
62 ilsen
great waiters and dishwashers?
not that bad.
at least we are good at something.

the kelpers on the other hand...
well, they are parasites.
64 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 11th, 2014 - 02:01 am Report abuse
@61 Pab lo Casey - chico lleno de odio

Sorry, chico, you are way off-base, not to mention, off-topic.
You are betrayed by your own linked article - again!
“Own goal-l-l-l, Pablo-o-o-o... ”

Nowhere does it say that “No Romanians” is an official UK Government Policy.
In fact, it was a reduction in official restrictions to admittance, that occurred.

And the UK Government released findings that they expected very few new Romanian or Bulgarian immigrants,

“A report commissioned by the UK government in 2010 estimates 8,000 Romanians will come to Britain in 2014.”

Can you not read??? LOL, what a chump!

Did you not also read that public perception was deliberately swayed by alarmist politicians of the UKIP ??

“it is a huge field open to speculations exploited by tabloid media and xenophobic politicians.”

“The media shapes public opinion and, as we can see, it is a clear gap between predictions, perception and reality”

The UKIP do NOT represent the Law, Official Policy, the UK Government, or even the majority of public sentiment.
It also manipulates or invents issues to suit its own motives.
(Shameful that CFK and Maduro, as Heads of State do the same thing)

As ilsen @62 said,
“Last census showed that 192 different languages or dialects are spoken in London.
I guess they must be all the people Pablo thinks the British have 'rejected' lol!”

“...we even let Argies in!”

Meanwhile,
@62 - a Venezuelan speaks...
“Argentines have a reputation in Latin America for being racist snobs.”

Argentina's GOVERNMENT RESTRICTS CHINESE ADMISSION, as immigrants and even as tourists.
Chile, Bolivia, Columbia, and Peru are certainly more progressive and inclusive societies than Argentina.

Pablo,
You kinda dodged the issue.
I'll ask you directly now, again,

“Do YOU think the Chinese tourists should be welcomed to Argentina, the same way sensible Brazil and other civilised countries do??”
65 paulcedron (#) Apr 11th, 2014 - 02:32 am Report abuse
troy -which knows nothing- tempest
i know you are monoglot, but anyway
“ Durante el año 2010, la colectividad china alcanza los 120.000 habitantes, posicionándose como la cuarta en importancia...”
es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inmigraci%C3%B3n_china_en_Argentina

as far as i know there are a lot of chinese immigrants diseminated in buenos aires and in the amba area.

but it seems you, the one who knows nothing, do not agree.
maybe the problem resides in your sources of information.
that blog “gateway” (lol) does not seem to be very trustable, maybe it is written by a resentful old fart like you, your beloved friend ilsen, grandpa clyde, and the list goes on.

anyway, i have to admit that the chinese, bolivians and peruvians are not integrated with the rest of the society.

on the other hand, the british immigrants here are totally integrated.
almost all of them are wonderful people and they do not want to steal lands to establish their own colonies, pretty different of the british wannabes you can find in this site
66 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 11th, 2014 - 03:50 am Report abuse
65 Pablo Casey

“as far as i know there are a lot of chinese immigrants diseminated in buenos aires and in the amba area.”

What ???, you had to “Wiki” your own country to find that out????

Are you a numbskull?
My original link to you, said exactly that - “there are a lot of Chinese in Argentina”

That was the frickin' point.
Argentina turns away 90% of Chinese TOURISTS and VISITORS, applying to VISIT - NOT immigrate.

Maybe you are AFRAID - yes, AFRAID“ to read the links I post - you might learn something you don't want to know.
I can understand that, but ”Pope on a rope“, at least READ the body of the stuff you post - not just the headlines.

Brasil admits 400,000 Chinese a year, USA 1million, but Argentina? - 23,000 only.

- WHY, you could make a lot of money?

I'll ask again,

”Do YOU think the Chinese tourists should be welcomed to Argentina, the same way sensible Brazil and other civilised countries do??”
67 ynsere (#) Apr 11th, 2014 - 06:01 am Report abuse
Went shopping last night, supermarkets in Punta del Este are open until 10 or 11 pm. The new doorman of Devoto Supermarket is a recent immigrant from ... Algeciras. Says he left on account of endemic unemployment. Perhaps the mayor of Algeciras is just taking a leaf out of Argentina's book - when you can't
solve a problem distract your constituents with talk about “English” occupations.
68 Benson (#) Apr 11th, 2014 - 08:12 am Report abuse
“the kelpers on the other hand...
well, they are parasites.”

The whole human race are parasites, at least we have a policy of sustainable fishing resouces unlike Argentina.
69 Usurping Pirate (#) Apr 11th, 2014 - 08:28 am Report abuse
The mayor of Algeciras would do well to remember that there are approximately 750,000 full time British residents in Andalucia .
If he is so concerned with British“ invaders” , why doesn't he start a programme to throw them out ?
Of course , because the fragile regional economy would collapse without the large community of expats that live and spend their money there , let alone the millions that come over every summer on holiday .
All the local spaniards parrot the same sentiments , yet they love to go to Gib for duty free goods , hence the huge queues to get in .
70 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 11th, 2014 - 12:40 pm Report abuse
Pablo Casey

Haven 't heard back from you, so I'll ask you again,

”Do YOU think the Chinese tourists should be welcomed to Argentina, the same way sensible Brazil and other civilised countries do??”
71 Gordo1 (#) Apr 11th, 2014 - 02:10 pm Report abuse
@ 63 paulcedron

“the kelpers on the other hand...well, they are parasites.” (I don't agree that the inhabitants of the Falkland Islands should be called “keepers” - but then you are an Argentine troll, aren't you?)
Definition of “parasite” from Oxford Concise Dictionary “self-seeking hanger-on, toady, animal or plant living in or on another and drawing nutriment directly from it, plant that climbs about another plant, wall, etc, unprofitable dependent person or thing”.
I don't see how on earth “parasites” applies to the Falklands Islanders - you fatuous p------o de m----a!
72 ricagp (#) Apr 11th, 2014 - 02:45 pm Report abuse
#56

Jack Bauer,

Not to mention that Brasil has - by far - the largest asian (chinese, japanese and korean) community in South America. And they're very well integrated and are very very respected as a hard-working and law-abiding people.
73 Jack Bauer (#) Apr 11th, 2014 - 04:51 pm Report abuse
72, ricagp....100% right...in fact , the number of Japanese (immigrants and their descendants) in Brazil, is second only to Japan...last time I checked, well over 1 million Japanese people - now Brazilians - mainly in the States of Sao Paulo and Parana .
74 paulcedron (#) Apr 11th, 2014 - 05:28 pm Report abuse
dear old fart troy
”Do YOU think the Chinese tourists should be welcomed to Argentina, the same way sensible Brazil and other civilised countries do??”

i do think chinese tourists should be welcomed.
i do not agree in denying the tourist visa to anyone regarding only in their nationality.
now it is true that some kind of mafia related with the chinese brought thousands of their connationals as “tourists”, when in reality they were illegal immigrants.

anyway, the policies of kirchner about immigration, foreign affairs, economy, etc, suck.
so it is not a surprise they cannot solve the problem in a better way than denying the visa to all of them, real tourists included.

gordo
ni siquiera merecés una respuesta, gordo trolo.
75 Gordo1 (#) Apr 11th, 2014 - 07:10 pm Report abuse
@74 paulcedron

I really must have the last word - your postings, here, there and everywhere, indicate that you really are a pompous prat!
76 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 12th, 2014 - 12:25 am Report abuse
74 Pablo Casey

“i do think chinese tourists should be welcomed.
i do not agree in denying the tourist visa to anyone regarding only in their nationality.
now it is true that some kind of mafia related with the chinese brought thousands of their connationals as “tourists”, when in reality they were illegal immigrants.”

Thank you.
You have admitted that your own government has an official policy against the Chinese, because you are afraid that too many of them will come to live permanently in Argentina.

That is exactly what you accused the UK of doing with the Romanians and the Bulgarians, but YOUR OWN LINK showed that was NOT an official policy and NOT TRUE.

You can't even directly say the Chinese tourists should be admitted without excuses and waffling on about a “Chinese Mafia” etc. etc.

Seems a bit ironic.

Keep your trap shut instead of hurling easily refuted accusations and insults.

You just look stupid.
77 ilsen (#) Apr 12th, 2014 - 01:40 am Report abuse
@74 paulito culo

so you admit that the Argentine Immigration is incapable of controlling the borders?
That the Embassies are incompetent?

That the Government is incapable of managing immigration and tourism?

Failing State....

Menu del Dia,
Catfood.

Then Chinese have risen out of their poverty and are coming for you beef. Soon you will be eating cats and rats. They Chinese will OWN your country soon.
You lot have really missed out. Imagine if Argentina was a British Overseas Territory. You could have prosperity and stability. A government free of corruption!
Imagine!!!
if you want to stop the lynchings, have a good economy and good governance, respect on the world stage and above all, a contented population? Well, I suggest you invite The Falkland Islands Government to come in as Administrators.
Obviously for a reasonable fee.
78 paulcedron (#) Apr 12th, 2014 - 02:59 am Report abuse
troy
there is in fact a chinese mafia since 2002.
edant.clarin.com/diario/2002/05/12/s-05001.htm

but, yes, the government is totally inept to discriminate between them and ordinary tourists.

regarding the uk, their immigration policies are totally different.
here, you are not going to be jailed or deported for being an illegal immigrant, like in the u.k.
it is just an administrative infraction.

and there is not a campaign to terrify illegal immigrants like in the uk.

guess that campaign was pretty effective with the romanians but not with the several criminals that choose the uk as their den.

piece of advice: when you dont know a sh*t about something, try to keep it shut

ilsen/ troy´s lapdog
“so you admit that the Argentine Immigration is incapable of controlling the borders?”

the one that has to control the borders is gendarmería, and yes they are pretty useless at that.

guess that is the difference between a citizen of a sovereign country (brazil, the uk, uruguay, argentina, you name the rest) and a 3rd class pleb of a colony.
we can recognize all the problems of this government, they are a shame in my opinion, while you, brainwashed 3rd class citizens think that your top dogs are immaculate.

the immigration policies and border controls of the uk are as bad as the argentinians or even worse.

they play the bad guys against poor immigrants from bulgaria, but they are totally useless regarding war criminals immigrating to the uk.

it seems the uk is the war criminals paradise of the 21st century.

“Suspected foreign war criminals 'able to stay in UK'
www.bbc.com/news/uk-26145293

”Warning over number of war crime suspects living in UK“
”Official figures may significantly underestimate the number of suspected war criminals living in the UK, the ex-head of the Border Force has warned.”
www.bbc.com/news/26677428
79 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 12th, 2014 - 04:12 am Report abuse
Pablo Casey

Stop yattering.

You are way off topic.

I don't think you even know what the topic is, anymore.

Whatever your personal opinions are about suitability of our society to possess the Falklands and Gibraltar, or whichever rationale of your government you choose to embrace, they are NOT YOURS.

As much as you may want them, you have no legal case and the inhabitants are VERY happy to remain British, in preference to your being a part of your societies.

Gee, I wonder why ??
80 Gordo1 (#) Apr 12th, 2014 - 06:17 am Report abuse
@ 78 paulcedron

You state “and there is not a campaign to terrify illegal immigrants like in the uk”

Where is your evidence? And please explain why we should not pursue “illegal” immigrants when they are, by definition, breaking the laws of our land?

Your logic beggars belief!
81 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 12th, 2014 - 07:13 am Report abuse
78 Pabl O' Casey

“ilsen, Troy's lapdog... ” - oh, dear, what a twit you are LOL !!

“troy

”there is in fact a chinese mafia since 2002.
edant.clarin.com/diario/2002/05/12/s-05001.htm“

...and there's doubtless another ”factual“ Argentine media link
confirming, ” there are in fact British 'Sepoys' since 1982”

* breathes deep sigh, and rolls eyes heavenward*

chuckle chuckle Pablo - yer killin' me :-)
82 Cognitio (#) Apr 12th, 2014 - 09:03 am Report abuse
Rio Grande is a sh*thole governed by a bunch of inept, corrupt, nationalists. Algeciras is also a sh*thole governed by inept, corrupt nationalists. Sounds like a perfect match. I sometimes wonder if being born ArgentinianSpanish is a divine curse for having done something really terrible in a former life. It's either that or there's some sort of genetic disposition to rush to fit as much overt stupidity into a single lifetime as possible.
83 paulcedron (#) Apr 12th, 2014 - 01:47 pm Report abuse
gordo nabo
“This anti-immigrant ad campaign is racism, pure and simple
Adverts telling illegal immigrants to go home show little has changed in the UK since Enoch Powell's rivers of blood speech”

“The policies the government is dreaming up to encourage illegal immigrants to leave Britain are becoming increasingly absurd. It is already targeting employers and landlords, and has tried persecuting children in schools. Now the Home Office is putting expensive advertising money into the mix: a new billboard campaign is being piloted this week telling illegal immigrants to ”go home or face arrest“.”
84 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 12th, 2014 - 02:20 pm Report abuse
Pabl O' Casey

Hmmm, an uncredited quote - no link, no author, and no context.

Worthless.

Do you read the words you quote?
Do you understand them?

hint: “ illegal immigrants”
85 paulcedron (#) Apr 12th, 2014 - 02:50 pm Report abuse
troy -the one who knows nothing- tempest
i know you are too old to understand computers, internet and stuff.
so here is my tip of the day:
google the first phrase and you will get the source.
yes, it seems to be magic, but not.

“hint: illegal immigration”
exactly, you genius.
there are better ways to solve that problem than jailing poor illegal immigrants.
and protecting war criminals at the same time seems to be a bit hypocritical.

“Killers on our streets: 207 war crime suspects living in Britain including five 'Nazis'”

now try to practice the lesson i taught you: goolgle that phrase, and voilà, you will have the source.
86 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 12th, 2014 - 03:19 pm Report abuse
83 Pabl O' Casey

““This anti-immigrant ad campaign is racism, pure and simple”

The UK is NOT “anti-immigrant”.

If that is what you are trying to say,
YOU ARE LYING.

Britain is well-known for its acceptance of immigrants.

If you are using direct quotes from Internet sources to substantiate an argument - it is up to you to specifically provide that source - not “it's true - go look it up!”

UK immigration?
War criminals ?

You are off- topic
87 Gordo1 (#) Apr 12th, 2014 - 03:22 pm Report abuse
paulcedron @85

I used to consider you had a modicum of intelligence - now I have grave doubts!
What on earth do the ILLEGAL immigrants have to do with war criminals, the latter, once they are discovered, are charged with their crimes and then either imprisoned or deported.

War crimes have nothing to do with those illegal immigrants who arrive in the UK usually with the sole purpose of taking advantage of our very generous social security arrangements. Most of them don't even know where they are sometimes and “lose” their passports and other documentation to avoid being returned to their country of origin.

You clearly don't know half of it and constantly quoting the Independent and the Guardian newspapers hardly helps your cause.
88 inthegutter (#) Apr 12th, 2014 - 06:13 pm Report abuse
#85

If the UK is so anti-immigrant then why does London have the second highest number of foreign born inhabitants (in fact almost the first). Not to mention we have a much higher fraction of immigrants than most of Europe (and certainly Germany, France, and Italy)?

If anyone is racist here, its you.
89 Pete Bog (#) Apr 12th, 2014 - 06:31 pm Report abuse
@77 ilsen

“ Well, I suggest you invite The Falkland Islands Government to come in as Administrators.”

Excellent suggestion.
90 toooldtodieyoung (#) Apr 12th, 2014 - 08:35 pm Report abuse
85 paulcedron

“troy -the one who knows nothing- tempest”

you do realise what a complete t-wat you have just shown yourself to be by writing that?

I could tell you, I could go on and list your endless inadequacies but you are not the worth the effort of me hitting the keys.

Clown
91 Gordo1 (#) Apr 12th, 2014 - 08:47 pm Report abuse
For paulcedron

Confirmation of the point I made @87 Daily Telegraph, London 12/04/2014

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10762942/3000-jobless-European-migrants-on-benefits.html
92 paulcedron (#) Apr 13th, 2014 - 01:10 am Report abuse
90
again with persdonal attacks
that is all you have, you sore loser

again, for all of you, ignorant islanders, ask your bosses in england to send money for improve your education and helath care.

you think you are some kind of dubai, that oil will solve all your problems, lol.
and you are just a tiny little poor islet.
93 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 13th, 2014 - 04:09 am Report abuse
yawn.

you are jealous and you don't know what you are talking about.
perhaps you impress your friends at school or La Campora Juvenil...

but not here.

Any plans for your future??

Better not count on anything.
94 toooldtodieyoung (#) Apr 13th, 2014 - 01:44 pm Report abuse
92 paulcedron

You see what an idiot you reveal yourself to be? You think I am a Falkland Islander? You think I live on the Islands?

If you could see ANYTHING beyond the end of your nose you would know by now that I don't.

f**king spiders!!! I know that La campora like then thick and brainwashed but really??? With you they needed to do VERY little work.

As for your post at 92....

Retarded.

Did you not say at 85 “troy -the one who knows nothing- tempest”

so who is the sore loser? who is the one with the “persdonal attacks” ( that should be personal by the way and not persdonal. I take it that your lords and masters did teach you to spell check )

I could go on listing your failings as a Troll and as a member of the human race but you know what? I can't be bothered, you are such a waste of my effort, my thought and the time I spent writing this, I'm not going to get back or refunded.

You have no point. No point to make and no point as a human, that air you are breathing could be put to better use keep someone else alive...

You are just a waste.... of everything.
95 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 13th, 2014 - 02:20 pm Report abuse
Toooldtodieyoung

Thanks for jumping in with that slap down he needed.

You are quite right, though - just a waste yo respond. He is just an indoctrinated kid.
And like many, a kid with no future now, thanks to government and his own inflated ego.

Arrogant now, in ten years he'll be sulking and looking for someone to blame because he has amounted to nothing.

Mark my words niño - your life is going down hill from here. You will never live as well as your parents.

In ten years, think about what I said.

Finished talking to you.
96 Gordo1 (#) Apr 13th, 2014 - 02:58 pm Report abuse
@94 and 95
It will be like water on a duck's back. Don't forget he is argentino - most arrogant bastards on earth!
97 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 13th, 2014 - 03:18 pm Report abuse
96 Gordo

ah, but inside, he knows it is true.

He will be in denial, outwardly. That might stave off the despair for a bit, and even forget for awhile, but later, when he reflects on his life - he'll remember.

Of course, by then he will be bitter and look for somebody else to blame.

Peronism has provided some Falklanders and “Sepoys” to fill that role.
98 Jack Bauer (#) Apr 13th, 2014 - 05:10 pm Report abuse
One thing that should surprise me, but doesn't any more, is the fact those who are most critical of the Falklands, and habitually state that the Islands aren't worth anything, and “who the hell wants them ?”, are the ones who won't let the bone go... the ones who keep on insisting that Argentina has a legal claim to them....WHY ??? are they ignorant or are they liars ? which pretty much boils down to the same thing....
99 paulcedron (#) Apr 13th, 2014 - 06:31 pm Report abuse
94/96 - too imbecile / gordo trolo
imbeciles + ignorants + boring = i´m being too generous now, you don't even deserve an answer.
try to learn from your friend troy.
at least he´s funny
100 Briton (#) Apr 13th, 2014 - 08:26 pm Report abuse
From another point of view, Spain could we get one back, and lose two,

Morocco ‘planning 2015 diplomatic offensive to recover Ceuta and Melilla’
www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=33632

They would in fact, of their disgraceful treatment of Gibraltar, end up cutting their nose, to spite their face, and still look ugly.
mmmm
.
101 toooldtodieyoung (#) Apr 13th, 2014 - 09:22 pm Report abuse
95 Troy Tempest

Think nothing of it, it's cool. I am sick of the little twerps talking the world when not even old enough to have left school yet.

Idiots like paulcedron have started to annoy me, and I feel bad because I try to live and let live, but those idiots who think that they are right just because they say so.........................

Clowns, the lot of them.

96 Gordo1

The post at 99 just proved you right................
102 Gordo1 (#) Apr 14th, 2014 - 06:12 pm Report abuse
re @99 paulcedron

Diddums has his “knickers in a twist”!
103 paulcedron (#) Apr 14th, 2014 - 10:37 pm Report abuse
102
boring
shut it
104 ilsen (#) Apr 15th, 2014 - 12:08 am Report abuse
So bored of this bullshit.
sod off paulito et al, don't have time for you anymore.
105 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 15th, 2014 - 12:53 am Report abuse
104 ilsen

I'm bored of his crap too - perhaps time for some off-topic chat, instead?

Two days ago, on CBC News, our respected national news radio, there was a report about the Columbian Border Patrol intercepting Venezuelan black marketeers smuggling a truck load of meat across, to sell at huge profit in Columbia.

With Maduro's price controls on food, the black market is thriving. Suppliers are unable to cover their costs of production, selling legally.
A result is a thriving black market with vast amounts of good crossing the border - while Venezuelan people face empty shelves.

Stevie and his ilk are loving this!

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