MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
China prepared to help Argentina recover its air force with new fighter jets
China has agreed to supply Argentina with new fighter jets that will replace its aging fleet of single-engine Dassault Mirage planes. Defense experts said two types of China-developed fighters are likely candidates: the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation-built FC-1/JF-17 and the J-10, according to a report from Chinatopix. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesAnd rotting roadkill wins the J-10's that everyone else turned down. lol.
Feb 25th, 2015 - 05:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Before all the malvinista's start getting hard ons with fantasies of 'invading the Falklands' over this they should ask this very simple question, what do the Chinese want in return for these aircraft?
Feb 25th, 2015 - 05:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0I mean your government has already given away parts of Argentina to China, so what else has your government promised them? Because it is certain that Argentina doesn't have the money to actually buy these. Perhaps the Chinese will be putting a military base in Argentina to further its own claims to the Antarctic?
Never mind, eh? By all means Argentina buy new aircraft. Never mind that children are starving to death in your country. Never mind that your economy is about to implode. Never mind that these are second rate aircraft, at least they're a step up from what you have already.
It will take upwards of 10 years to get these aircraft (although China may have dozens in 'stock' because they couldn't unload them onto any other sucker..er..'customer') and train the pilots and ground crew. And given Argentina's record in looking after military hardware (all that money meant to maintain it just magically disappears), this could turn out to be a very expensive lemon for Argentina.
It was reported on August 13th 2012 that the then Argentina minister of Defence Arturo Puricelli who warned that the British military presence in the South Atlantic “is the only element that upholds the usurpation of that part of our national territory”.
Feb 25th, 2015 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0en.mercopress.com/2012/08/13/argentina-shows-off-jet-model-and-calls-on-uk-to-dialogue-on-falklands-sovereignty
Thanks to Terence Hill & HansNiesund, for finding the quote.
Tip to certain Trolls if you make a claim, back it up with the reference.
So Argentina is Militarizing the South Atlantic, come on Trolls do your worse
I think that South America and Africa have to open the doors to the new eastern military technologies.
Feb 25th, 2015 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0We realize that there is no trust between the Western and South America. So it's a big mistake to be dependent on Western.
In any area: financial, commercial, technological and cultural, we must move away from the West.
This is a very important moment in our history. This is the time when slavery ties and subservience toward the United States and its European satellites are being put in doubt. And this is not an isolated thing, all the countries in our South America are headed more or less evenly.
Good luck Argentina!
I was 15 back in the middle 90s and they were already telling how outdated our fighters were, as well as considering possible options to replace them.
Feb 25th, 2015 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Then, some genius thought that our A-4AR (the few which can fly, of course) were `good enough´ to act as fighter (when they are not!).
20 years later we still listen to several tales and stories, yet NOTHING new has being purchased. From M2000s to F-1s to Kfirs to Grippens to FC-1s to god-knows-what.
Why not buying something like Chile? why not joining that club, and strive for integration? why not looking for quality?
As somebody said here today, our foreign policy is erratic, not to mention irresponsible. We support looney regimes such as Maduro´s in Venezuela. We support the Castros in Cuba. We (now) support China and ¿Iran?. We keep pushing down in the south, even `celebrating´a war that NO GOVERNMENT has ever condemned.
Meanwhile, we keep losing the ability to protect our shores, not against a military adversary, but against illegal fisheries.
I think it´s time to stop this nonsense.
Argentina should IMMEDIATELY stop its senseless claim over islands that have NEVER being ours. Admit its mistake in 1982. Issue an apology: to the world, to the UK, to the islanders, and to our veterans. And maybe, maybe, if that is followed with a mature, responsible attitude, we may join back the world.
I rest my case /
Investing in the Royal Air Force - Philip Dunne MP,
Feb 25th, 2015 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0On Sunday I represented the UK at the latest contract signing to enhance capability of the Eurofighter Typhoon.
This prompted me to set out the context of this latest £165 million investment in capability for the Royal Air Force, in response to those who claim that the UK is losing our defence capabilities.
The reality for the RAF is very different, as it is being steadily transformed into one of the most modern, best equipped [ air forces in the world.]
Within its Combat Air fleets, Typhoon has for a decade been, and remains, the largest and most iconic defence programme for the RAF, but also for UK .
Typhoon aircraft to the RAF. By 2018 will have a fleet of 107 Typhoon aircraft in RAF service
These squadrons provide our Quick Response Aircraft tasking to defend the UK and overseas territories including -
Meteor missiles, and its air-to-ground strike capabilities, first with Storm Shadow bunker busting bombs and now Brimstone precision munitions. Last year we also invested to enhance both roles with E-Scan radar.
At the same time we are also investing in the Joint Strike Fighter, F35 Lightning II - the largest military equipment programme in the world, producing the most advanced fifth generation jet aircraft in the world..
The UK has taken delivery of three aircraft, our fourth is close to delivery and four more were ordered last October.
We intend to order 10 more aircraft over the coming three years to enable the first squadron to be operational by 2018 and delivering carrier strike capability,
Our RAF Reapers are also active in Iraqi skies - a reminder of how we're enhancing not just our strike capability but our ISTAR assets as well.
In the past year we have also deployed state-of-the-art Watchkeeper in Afghanistan. This is a next generation unmanned eye-in-the sky air platform, designed and built in Britain, which was introduced into service last summer in time to undertake 150 operational hours in the
@4
Feb 25th, 2015 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0“... the new eastern military technologies.”
Sure pal, anything you say. ;)
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pt2
Feb 25th, 2015 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0150 operational hours in theatre. Continued,,
Last year we also brought into service the first of our three RC-135 Airseeker (Rivet Joint) next generation signals intelligence aircraft.
But we're not just transforming our Combat Air and Air ISTAR assets, but our Air Mobility fleets as well.
of the Royal Air Force's A400M Atlas transport planes.
It is the first-in-class of a new transport plane for the RAF
This is just the latest step in the transformation of our Air Mobility.
Over the past 12 months our fleet of Voyager (multi role transport and tanker) aircraft was delivered fully into service –
Along with our fleet of C-17 strategic lift transport planes and the C-130J Hercules which will gradually be replaced by the 22 A400M Atlas coming into service, the RAF is now well on the way to having the most modern Air Mobility fleets, the [-envy of air forces around the world.-]
It is a case study of our determination to keep our air force at the cutting edge of world class capability.
The Dual Mode Brimstone is a precision missile,
In the conflicts of today, this is an increasingly powerful and relevant capability, and a unique British product,
UK Ministry of Defence is bringing world class battle winning capability to the RAF,
http://www.blogs.mod.uk/
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The JF-17 is an interesting aircraft, not least because JF-17 is the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex designation. China designates it as the FC-1. An equally interesting designation as it stands for 'Fighter China 1'.
Feb 25th, 2015 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The FC-1 follows usual Chinese design philosophy. It's cheap. It has components from virtually everywhere. Engines from Russia, avionics from France and ejector seats from Britain. 50 aircraft went to Pakistan. One has already crashed.
Then there's the J-10. A truly marvellous aircraft. First flown in 1998. Pakistan approved the purchase of 36 in April 2006 and signed the deal in November 2009. None have yet been delivered. Argieland can confidently expect some aircraft some time after 2021!
@4. Off you go then. Don't let us hold you back. Head east. Try to avoid Africa. It hasn't done anything to you.
@5. That's touching. But you've identified a real problem in your third paragraph. And that makes the fifth paragraph more or less impossible. But don't give up. If you can drum up sufficient support, equip everybody with, at the least, AK47s and have a revolution. Sweep the nutters from power. Put them in prison. Consider re-introducing the death penalty. After all, they might escape. And then there's the cost of feeding them.
@7
Feb 25th, 2015 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you keep repeating these Spanish coat for me?
2 - as ever the only hard on's for invasion are in the minds of tinfoilers in basements in blighty. Every time Argentina updates its national military a tin pot gets placed on a netwarriors head.
Feb 25th, 2015 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 05 - your poor sock puppetry is fooling no-one
Argentina will naturally continually update its military - cause thats what all countries do. nothing to do with you.
if you're feeling paranoid because of these updates which must take place in any case as part of Arg's national security - then simply deploy more and more forces to the islands at cost to the GB taxpayer.
@ 11
Feb 25th, 2015 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My comment was not intended to fool any one. I´m sorry if that´s what you think.
It´s my sincere point of view, and even though it is not very popular down here, that´s what I strongly believe.-
Well maybe apologies are in order but you do sound suspiciously like one of the low brow's from in here pretending to be Argentine.
Feb 25th, 2015 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah tell thee am ruddy Argie int it - us Argies need tit give up ruddy claim and that, just put Brits int charge and go down pub and sing tit queen like all them other jonny foreigners and darkies.
(oh and am not bloke in Britain sittin at puter playin wiv self - ruddy Argie through and through me int it.)
5 SebaSvtz (#) You're certainly right, but that's just not the way things work. Governments need something they can use to whip the people into an emotional frenzy, to distract them from the thievery, corruption and mismanagement being perpetrated on them by their government. The Falklands serve this purpose, and direct people's anger toward invented nonsense, rather than against their criminal government. If these people couldn't distract the public and redirect their anger, they would have been overthrown long ago.
Feb 25th, 2015 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 14 True that.
Feb 25th, 2015 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 05 SebaSvtz (#)
Feb 25th, 2015 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with you 100%. What we need desperately is armed forces that can stop the narco carteles from invading our borders and the poaching of our fishing resources.
To do this we should be spending on top quality aircraft and ships, not the rubbish the Chin are trying to sell us!!!!
What I can't quite understand is how Russia manages to maintain armed forces which are x 10 larger than the UK for not even x 2 the defence budget. Can't help getting the impression that the MOD is being run like some kind of Gentlemens Club.
Feb 25th, 2015 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK needs more Typhoons, more Tanks, more Troops and more destroyers/frigates.....but....most of all it needs some aircraft to fly from its new aircraft carriers. Cameron needs to wake up now and rearm.
As soon as they've finished one Chinese jet, they'll want another.
Feb 25th, 2015 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well put Simon68, I agree.
Feb 25th, 2015 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Prospective purchasers should mull over this little thought.
Feb 25th, 2015 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After spending U$D 10 Bn on trying to copy a Russian jet engine the chin gave up! Everything they made either didn't fire up or wrecked itself on the test rig or in the airframe.
SO! If Russia have a change of heart they could easily stop this junk from flying by withholding engines.
The Chines are already under the cosh for copying Russian military technology and balsing it up in practice.
So I am all for the argies getting these 4th rate jets (sorry Simon68!).
@5
Feb 25th, 2015 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Why not buying something like Chile?”
At USD 70 million each, probably not an option.
Otherwise I completely agree with your post.
@18 lol
so funny to read the posts of these imbecile, brainwashed, brainless, not too bright, paranoid little isleters.
Feb 25th, 2015 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lol..., benny-hillbillies
As I have said umpteen times, they are entitled to upgrade their forces as can any sovereign country. They can't afford anything decent so the Chinese JF 17 is better than nothing until they have to use it against a Typhoon.
Feb 25th, 2015 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Since Argenchinas Navy have now had to take to using Kayaks, perhaps their Air Force can get some Hang Gliders? They are affordable!
Feb 25th, 2015 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@11. Argieland doesn't 'continually update its military'. The way it works in argieland is very much the same as the way it works in 'scotchland'. The 'government' throws money at populist measures such as massive pay increases, increases in welfare benefits and freebies of all sorts. In scotchland, it expects the UK to defend it. Conveniently forgetting that the majority of the UK population now hate scotchland and now are most likely to require the UK to leave scotchland to sort out its own salvation. The majority of the UK population are, of course, English. Argieland is a little different. It has nothing so it needs to look for what amount to freebies. Argieland is now looking at a couple of Chinese low-budget combat aircraft. Capability is not the first concern. It's just a case of how to get as much as possible for as little as possible. No doubt when these aircraft, eventually, arrive (around 2025), there will undoubtedly be many 'fly-pasts'. Some may include realistic demonstrations of pilots ejecting. The 'fly-pasts' will be short. Take off, fly past, get out of sight, land, leap out before the aircraft detonates. Just imagine an FC-1 up against a Typhoon. Even top of the range US aircraft have 'lost' to the Typhoon.
Feb 25th, 2015 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Glad to pay for the defence of the Falkland Islands from nearby scum. And the Typhoon launches its BVR munitions and turns away while the argies are still trying to get airborne.
@12. Don't be concerned. Someone has an agenda. It has a lot to do with inadequacy and jealousy.
@13. Argie? Prove it. What's your favourite occupation for your arse? Speculum? Butt-plug? Dildo? Strap-on?
@15. One presumes that you have researched and know the truth. Who lies about the Falkland Islands? The Islanders? The UK? Argieland?
@16. What you desperately need is a revolution. An armed insurrection. The imprisonment of the criminals.
@22. Have you considered that certain islanders handed you your arse?
17 Englander (
Feb 25th, 2015 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What I can't quite understand is how Russia manages to maintain armed forces which are x 10 larger than the UK for not even x 2 the defence budget
Please read this may help your options as to newspaper reports
Defence Viewpoints.
http://www.defenceviewpoints.co.uk/
Bad journalism doesn't help the case for defence spending
The contributing author of Think Defence takes the Telegraph to task for its story headed “Not fit to serve: Vladimir Putin exposes UK defence industry failings.
Britain's Army is outgunned by Russia, and so is our defence industry, as Vladimir Putin sends his bombers into UK airspace”
, but I can’t seriously believe that any editor would allow such inaccurate nonsense to appear in a broad sheet. It seems the problem with getting the message on defence spending across to the media is two fold. The vast majority of the media know little about defence and care even less.
Just to pick up on some of the inaccuracies
Russia does not have the 2nd biggest defence budget in the world. China spends almost double. In dollar terms Russia’s budget is likely to drop below ours soon as well.
Neither Russia or Ukraine is any where near the English Channel.
Russia does not have a million man army ready to storm across Europe. Even if it did one million men is a pretty small force to use to invade Europe, which coincidently has more soldiers than Russia. In addition despite the cut backs in Europe its forces are still of a far higher quality both in training and equipment than anything the Russians poses in numbers.
I have never come across any report that said Russian aircraft violated UK airspace this week.
While I don’t doubt we should take the Russian threat seriously and I do believe we should begin to slightly increase defence spending,
Either way, bad journalism like this helps no ones case to get a higher priority for defence spending. (
.this may help..
What would help would be for Cameron to divert all foreign aid back into the defence budget, a reversal of the defence cuts and a determined effort to improve, expand and enhance the UK's defences.
Feb 25th, 2015 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its all in hand, they will at least provide useful target practice.
Feb 25th, 2015 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2911169/Ministry-Defence-orders-228m-super-missiles-protect-Falklands-Argentina-strengthens-air-force.html
#25
Feb 25th, 2015 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The majority of the UK population are, of course, English.
What a surprise ! Have you any more pearls of wisdom from your addled brain.
Were you compulsorily retired from the Civil Service on the grounds of mental instability ?
It's a waste of time trying to reason with an embittered old .... like you.
It is comforting to know that England is in safe hands with you backing them.
The Russians must be crapping themselves seeing the mighty forces England has ranged against them.....or maybe not .
On the day that any NATO force invade Eastern Europe, they will not fight only against Russians. They will fight against the forces of the United BRICS.
Feb 26th, 2015 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0@30
Feb 26th, 2015 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NATO would not be stupid enough to invade Eastern Europe-only countries like Argentina invade countries in order to take a good beating.
Note: one of your politicians visited the Falklands and was treated like a head of state, instead of having tyres burned and rocks thrown at him if he had visited Argentina=another crack in the 'Malvinas fairy tale.'
All posters this is Pete Bog-this aircraft has a Martin Baker ejection seat-that's good for Argentine pilots as they might survive when these are shot out of the sky-but what happens if the UK refuse to supply the ejection seats?
Paulcedron-can your 'technologically superior gauchos' make election seats or will these aircraft be equipped with CT scanners instead?
#30
Feb 26th, 2015 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You stupid, stupid boy. NATO could wipe out Brazil before they could move.
Why would S.Africa/India get involved in a hypothetical war of your imagination? What advantage would accrue to China ?.
By the way, BRICS is a trading bloc not a defence organisation.
Where has anyone said that NATO would “invade”Eastern Europe ?
It appears that Russia is trying to move West....look at a map if you can read one.
Please spare us the jingoistic videos showing us a fanciful scenario where Brazil is a world military power. Sorry to point out the truth, but there it is.
Thought China was a close ally of Ukraine which is why they have abstained in all UN Security Council votes concerning Russia's belligerence.
Feb 26th, 2015 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@31
Feb 26th, 2015 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know, Pete. Thanks.
@30 So let's get this right. ...
Feb 26th, 2015 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are saying that if NATO was to invade a country in Eastern Europe (meaning Russia or its satellites), you are seriously suggesting that Brasil, India and China would join the fray even though there is no formal defence agreement?
I think it is highly unlike that NATO has any territorial ambitions on the former Soviet Union states (I think it is more likely to be the other way around). Any former USSR states have joined NATO voluntarily
The JF-17 is a cheap copy of the US F-16.
Feb 26th, 2015 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The isles of man,
Feb 26th, 2015 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Will deal with any and all south Americans whilst the rest of the British isles are busy..
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“ Argentina earlier sought to buy from Brazil, 14 Sweden-developed multi-role Saab Gripen fighters to upgrade its air force fleet but Britain successfully blocked the deal”.....
Feb 26th, 2015 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Something doesn't sound right with the above statement...about 6 months ago, or maybe a bit more, Brazil closed a deal with Sweden to buy about 18 Gripen fighters...they still have to start being delivered to Brazil...so how does Argentina hope to buy the fighters Brazil buying to modernize its own airforce ???
Good luck to Argentina with 'chink' planes...if the quality is anything similar to their shitty cars, Argieland is screwed.
@4 brASSHOLE
So you believe Brazil should move away from the 'west', in areas such as : financial, commercial, technological and cultural....“.
Well, if Brazil does that, they'll be changing reliable technology for a load of unproved crap from China....and what's that about 'culture' ? should we start eating grasshoppers and other insects ?? you probably share your bed with cockroaches, and eat them too, so that explains it...
Your statement ”This is the time when slavery ties and subservience toward the United States and its European satellites are being put in doubt“, is extremely profound...are you suggesting that we leave an 'imaginary' state of subservience to the 'west', to become slaves of the 'chinks' ? Your stupidity is quite remarkable .
@10 brASSHOLE.
Your question ”Why do you keep repeating these Spanish coat for me?”
first of all you ignorANUS, it's a 'coat of arms', not a 'paletó'.....but if you want a coat, perhaps the MADurine can lend you one of his ridiculous coloured coats....all idiots look good in one.
@30 brASSHOLE
The forces of the United BRICS ? WTF did that come from ? are you brain-dead ?? And you are such an idiot - you actually thank Pete Bog in your #34, for telling you that you are a bloody idiot... takes the prize...
ls Brasileiro any relation to paulcedron?
Feb 27th, 2015 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cousins, perhaps?
About as intelligent(?).
@ 39 lsolde
Feb 27th, 2015 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Having considered your comment, what about brothers from different mothers?
They are both as stupid as Think: who knows what happened when his lower bits were working? Did he have a motorbike?
;o)
“The Argentine Air Force largely consists of a collection of obsolete aircraft mostly dating back to the 1970s, which are frequently grounded due to poor serviceability. The Argentine Army has deployed on operations without some of even the most basic equipment and rarely has the resources for training.”
Feb 27th, 2015 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.bubblear.com/sea-slow-decay-argentine-military/
There is so much rebuilding that needs to occur after this supposed Won Decade.
The K are leaving Argentina in a shambles.
eye heard that Argentina was building 3 squadron's of kites.
Feb 27th, 2015 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lol
@42 Briton,
Feb 27th, 2015 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where did they get the money for the kites?
@39Isolde & @40 ChrisR
Feb 27th, 2015 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The brASSHOLE is the prototype of the ignorant “petistas”......the way he defends Lula , the fat B, and the PT, makes one wonder if he isn't one of Lula's illegitimate children....and like his father, has had a very poor education, hates to read because it's too difficult, and can barely speak Portuguese correctly.....but isn't that what democracy's about , allowing these idiots to live amongst us ?
@43 Isolde
Feb 27th, 2015 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Where did they get the money for the kites?”
Freebees-they are sewing together all the white flags out of Argentine army ration packs-but are finding difficulty in finding a test pilot.....
lol
Feb 28th, 2015 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0you can laugh all you want but the fact is that those Argentine airforce pilots sure kicked some arses in the Falkland War!! I would have them on my team anytime!!
Feb 28th, 2015 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if you did, they would surely be 30 years older ,
Feb 28th, 2015 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0todays pilots have not much to fly and even less experience.
and even less enthusiasm to fight CFKs private indifferences.
@47 sunshinee,
Feb 28th, 2015 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They still managed to lose a lot of aircraft though.
Whose arse did you say got kicked?
well it definitely was not the British,
Feb 28th, 2015 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0perhaps the argies were dreaming.
#47
Mar 01st, 2015 - 02:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes they were good stick and rudder men but tactically inept. They had all the advantages but blew it against a much more skillful but disadvantaged opposition.
Before the air war started an USAF General said that the British pilots against the Argentinians would be like hawks against chickens and so it turned out.
@7
Mar 01st, 2015 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Because I cant stop laughing at you. ;)
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@ 47 aussiesunshinee
Mar 04th, 2015 - 03:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Those RG pilots were honourable men, sent into a fight not of their making, and fought bravely.
However, the leader of the the out-numbered RAF, before sending his men into battle described the forthcoming fight as a “target-rich environment”.
Utterly inspirational leadership.
Where-ever you are now sir, I salute you. Brititish pragmatism at its best.
and.................
They won.
PS: @47 The RGs lost the war. 'nuff said.
'53
Mar 04th, 2015 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think you will find that it was the Fleet Air Arm who flew the Sea Harriers.
@54
Mar 04th, 2015 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are quite correct, my mistake.
I stand by the quote though.
@ 47 spanisharseholee
Mar 04th, 2015 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“you can laugh all you want”
YES, it's GREAT as well, unlike your bunch of inexperienced though brave pilots.
You see, at the end of it WE won and you LOST.
Don't even bother to justify your idiotic ranting, try to accept that the Spanish ALWAYS lose against us and now we are bailing your arse of debt as well!
Try to know your place and be a little humble under the circumstances.
#47
Mar 04th, 2015 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I forgot to say that you would be welcome to them as they were losers by quite a large margin
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