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Argentines fly the flag in South Georgia, 33 years ago

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Ushuaia daily Diario Fin del Mundo recalls that 33 years ago on 19 March 1982, the Argentine navy transport vessel ARA Bahía Buen Suceso landed in South Georgia a party of workers on contract to dismantle remains of the whaling station, and on arriving raised the Argentine flag. An incident which was to lead to the full-fledged conflict the following month. Read full article

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  • ilsen

    Pure 'click-bait'.

    MercoPress must be desperate for the Ad-Revenue.

    Let's see who bites...

    Mar 24th, 2015 - 05:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord Ton

    To advance plans - there were already plans

    https://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/1982-2/

    Mar 24th, 2015 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Sneeeeeeeeeeeeeeaky little microbes, weren't they?
    As if we wouldn't notice.
    l think they had plans for all countries in South America.
    Chile, then Uruguay, then Paraguay & Bolivia.
    An Argentine Empire.
    Have to try harder boys. (& you're not hard enough!).

    Mar 24th, 2015 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    All of Argentina's territorial claims are invalid.... however the one for the South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands doesn't even have a semblance of history to back it up.

    It is just pure Argentinean greed. But at least this territory doesn't have the UN involved.

    Mar 24th, 2015 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    And later the heroic torturer they put in charge of the garrison surrendered without firing a shot.

    Mar 24th, 2015 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rufus

    The original invasion, where the Royal Marines were outnumbered nearly three to one, without any practical support, who still managed to shoot down a helicopter and deploy the legendary anti-ship projectile - from the Carl Gustav recoilless rifle...

    Mar 24th, 2015 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • downunder

    Do these people ever do anything that is not underhanded and sneeky?

    Mar 24th, 2015 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Margaret Thatcher's biggest debt was to Argentina's navy | Simon Jenkins
    gu.com/p/36cja/sbl

    Mar 24th, 2015 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JohnN

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    http://www.sgisland.gs

    Mar 24th, 2015 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aimee

    No offense but this page never post anything about Uk ..

    Do you know that there is a multi-millionarie from great britain living in argentina who has an airstrip (clandestine) ?

    Mar 24th, 2015 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @1. Click-bait, is it? That would be by Diario Fin del Mundo. What was it doing 'recalling' something that happened 33 years ago. But 'lest we forget', that was the beginning of one of the most vile acts against a peaceful, civilised people in the last 50 years of the 21st century. A little bit of research indicates that argieland mobilised up to 66,000 fully-armed troops to overcome around 1,000 Islanders and 80 Royal Marines. By the time the Falklands invasion actually began, 20 of those Marines had been despatched to South Georgia aboard HMS Endurance. Endurance and the Marines successfully completed their mission on South Georgia. Back in the Falklands, argies were losing men and equipment to the remaining Marines. By 21 May, the submarine Santa Fe had been disabled and abandoned, and the cruiser Belgrano had been sunk. British land operations began. By 14 June it was all over. Funny how argies don't mention a lot of that.
    @6. Three to one? More like ten to one. At least three units of Buzos Tacticos plus 400 marines in amtraks.
    @7. No.
    @8. It might be a wise idea for you to read the comments. All 28 pages of them. No-one seems to think much of Jenkins. Who dismisses British forces in one sentence. And yet those forces fielded just 28 Sea Harriers and 6 Harrier GR3s. Against about 180 argie aircraft. The marches by land forces from San Carlos to Stanley. Fighting their way through prepared positions in the mountains to the west of the capital. And the Navy fought through as well, despite inflammable uniforms and warship construction materials. British forces knew how to take advantage of argie weaknesses and cowardice and kept going forward. And THAT is where the biggest debt is. To 3 Commando Brigade Royal Marines, 5th Infantry Brigade, not forgetting 2 and 3 Para and B Squadron of the Blues and Royals and the Gurkhas, 1st Battalion, 7th Duke of Edinburgh's Own Gurkha Rifles. And mustn't forget the artillery. Jenkins is a traitor!

    Mar 24th, 2015 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • EscoSes Doido

    Jenkins is indeed biased and full of excrement.

    No other Military could have pulled it off , if they were handicapped as severely as the UK task force was. Not one.
    I say that from having been a member of said military for many years.

    Mar 24th, 2015 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Usurping Pirate

    OK , just so that I have this absolutely right .
    Britain provoked the war by leaving abandoned whaling stations in S Georgia in the 1960's , knowing full well that 20 years later an Argentine scrap dealer would want a licence to dismantle them .
    Because of the sea lion threat , he needed a security force of marines to protect him , but Maggie Thatcher deliberately misconstrued the marine presence and bombed hospitals and schools Buenos Aires in retaliation , and that started the war so she could get re-elected ?

    Mar 24th, 2015 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    #12 Esco

    You and Conqueror misunderstand. By the stupid invasion off South Georgia the timing of the invasion of the Falklands was premature. By waiting just a few months, the UK advantages would have been reduced as well as those of Argentina substantially increased. Just the additional deliveries of the French fighters and Exocet missiles alone.

    Whatever you think, I take nothing away from the incredible gallantry, bravery and success of the British soldiers.

    You must admit however, the Junta's stupidity and cowardice contributed to the success as well.

    Mar 24th, 2015 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Usurping Pirate

    @10 : And why shouldn't I have an airstrip at Sierra Grande ? It's my land and I can do what I want with it .

    Mar 24th, 2015 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    You should copy the picture and compare it to the one CFK will probably show just before the referendum [ Argentina ]
    that argentine forces are on British soil,

    anything to cause trouble,

    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    QUESTION,

    If CFK could cause a war before her election , is it possible she could well pull of a miracle and use it to keep her in office by cancelling the referendum using the war as an excuse to stay in power.
    just asking.

    Mar 24th, 2015 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aimee

    @15
    nope it is not your land that man is english and here there is a rule that no foreingner can have more than 1000 hectares and he has 5000

    Mar 24th, 2015 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Unicorns need plenty of grazing land.

    Otherwise they can't get enough speed to run up the rainbows.

    Mar 24th, 2015 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alberto Bertorelli

    Conqueror: You're living in a dreamworld:

    “ The enemy was not inept and frightened. Nor was he badly equipped and starving ... His defensive positions were well sited and well constructed. He fought with skill and bravery. Some units resisted almost to the last man” (The Official History of the Falklands Campaign, Volume 2: War and Diplomacy By Lawrence Freedman)

    “The 13,000 Argentine defenders ... were well-prepared and equipped with modern weapons, including the very latest night vision goggles. When the two sides clashed, the conscripts fought well against the 10,500 British professionals ranged against them, and in some prolonged firefights inflicted serious casualties on the invaders” (Historical Dictionary of Naval Intelligence By Nigel West)

    “After the Battle of Two Sisters on 11/12 June, a senior NCO said, ”They were good steadfast troops, I rate them.“ High praise indeed coming from a sergeant-major in the Royal Marines” (The FN FAL Battle Rifle By Robert Cashner)

    “Many Argentines acquitted themselves valiantly in battle, as the long list of posthumous medals for bravery in the Official Report of the Argentine Army indicates” (Mates and Muchachos: Unit Cohesion in the Falklands-Malvinas War By Nora K Stewart, )

    Mar 24th, 2015 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @19

    How did Astiz get on with the defence of South Georgia?

    Mar 25th, 2015 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alberto Bertorelli

    If you read Martin Middlebrook's The Fight For The Malvinas, you'll realize that South Georgia was a consolation prize for the British, much to the horror of Astiz who wanted to fight, but the orders came from the Argentine High Command, otherwise the Brits would've been rough-handled like at San Carlos on 21 May by the young lion cubs under the command of 1st Lt. Carlos Daniel Esteban.

    Mar 25th, 2015 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • downunder

    21 AB#

    Mar 25th, 2015 - 07:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @21 Benzino Gasolini,
    Do you have Lions enlisted in your Army?
    How strange.
    Never cared for Lions myself, l prefer Tigers.
    Now there is a magnificent animal.
    A killer(aren't all cats, big & small?), but still one of the most beautiful creatures that God created.

    Mar 25th, 2015 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    # 23 Isolde

    Did you know that the Sicilian word bertorelli, means figlio di puttana in Italian?
    Fun bit of trivia.

    Another well known trivia is that Argentines of Italian heritage seem to be the most cowardly and despicable of all...

    Mar 25th, 2015 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    21, congratulations,
    but the fact is--Argentina lost....

    Mar 25th, 2015 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #19
    Why have you changed the story ?
    We were told that we won against poor quality conscripts now you tell us they were well equipped highly professional heroes. If what you say is true then our forces must have been so much better than yours otherwise we would have lost.
    Instead your ships stayed in port and your troops surrendered. If they were that good why did they surrender as you think they could have easily beaten us.

    Mar 25th, 2015 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Usurping Pirate

    @17 : I bought the land and built my airstrip before the laws were changed.
    My friend Mr Benetton owns considerably more than I do as do George Soros and Ted Turner .

    Mar 25th, 2015 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @21

    Talk about flying the flag for Argentina :

    Astiz was believed to have kidnapped and tortured hundreds of people during 1976 and 1977. Among these were several nationals of other countries, whose cases received international attention as their governments tried to find them and to prosecute suspects. In 1976 and 1977, Astiz' team kidnapped and “disappeared” three Italian nationals: Angela Maria Aieta in 1976, and Giovanni Pegoraro and his pregnant daughter Susana Pegoraro in 1977. Susana was believed to have given birth in prison before her death, and it was suspected her child was given illegally for adoption by a military family.[3]

    In December 1977 Astiz organized the kidnapping of about a dozen people associated with the Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo, including the founders Azucena Villaflor de Vicenti and two others. The non-violent group of mothers organized to learn the fates of their missing children and protested against the thousands of “disappeared.” He also kidnapped two French nationals who were Catholic nuns, Leonie Duquet and Alice Domon. None was seen alive again after having been tortured at ESMA and “transferred”, a euphemism for being taken elsewhere to be killed.
    .....
    Astiz was witnessed torturing the nuns at ESMA by beating them, immersing them in water and applying electrified cattle prods to their breasts, genitals and mouths.
    ....
    Astiz is reported to have committed several war crimes during this period, notably attempting to lure Royal Navy helicopters to land on a helipad he had mined, after he had surrendered to British forces.[citation needed] The pilots were suspicious, and landed elsewhere. Astiz also encouraged Royal Marines to cross a minefield after he had surrendered.[citation needed] The mines did not detonate as their trigger mechanisms had been frozen solid by the sub-zero weather conditions. Astiz was never tried for these crimes.[citation needed]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfredo_Astiz

    It really is a crying shame th

    Mar 25th, 2015 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Usurping Pirate

    Alberto: Please tell us where you did YOUR military service and with what unit .

    Mar 25th, 2015 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    #29 Usurping Pirate

    I don't think the little fascist knows even understands the meaning of service...

    ChrisR's revelation about Alberto Bertorelli's grandfather is well worth watching as it gives a great insight to those who admired Mussolini.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZMTDDRVShM

    Mar 25th, 2015 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    We could supply him with a list of argentine units,
    but that will just confuse him even further...

    Mar 25th, 2015 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • downunder

    21 AB “.....much to the horror of Astiz who wanted to fight, but the orders came from the Argentine High Command, otherwise the Brits would've been rough-handled like at San Carlos on 21 May by the young lion cubs under the command of 1st Lt. Carlos Daniel Esteban.” etc , etc, etc.

    Quoting reputable texts about the Falklands War does mot bestow any authority on your writings, you make claims and draw conclusions that are not supported by the texts and are an affront to the authors. Your writings are, in essence, a perversion of the truth and a load of delusional nonsense. Writing this stuff may give comfort to your delusions but it is dishonest in its intent and merely demonstrates the lengths some Argentines will go to in an attempt to pervert the historical record and escape into your Malvinas myth.

    Your lies and distortions do no justice to the people on either side who were killed in the war and they just add to the case against Argentina. You and your ilk are a bunch of delusional liars divorced from reality.

    Mar 26th, 2015 - 07:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    #32 downunder

    Well said.

    Mar 26th, 2015 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @32

    Alberto’s lies begin with the title of Martin Middlebrook’s book, which is actually called “The Argentine Fight for the Falklands”. Not a Malvina in sight, then. I get the impression it’s the only book he has, and he only quotes from it selectively, as we have seen on numerous other threads.

    For example, Middlebrook also has this to say about the fall of South Georgia:

    “The fall of South Georgia marked the start of a massive distortion of events by the junta. Official communiques described a prolonged and heroic defence against overwhelming British forces, with commando parties dispersing into the wilderness and holding out long after the main fighting ended …. The senior Argentine officer ashore, Lieutenant Commander Lagos, was court-martialled in 1983 for ‘contravening Argentina’s military code by surrendering without having exhausted his ammunition and without three quarters of his men becoming casualties'. Vice-Admiral Lombardo attended the court martial and testified as to the exact nature of the orders issued, and this enabled the officer to be acquitted.”

    Quite some argentinada here, then. An attempt to create another Gaucho Rivero fantasy, and a truly bizarre episode at the Lagos court martial. Either Vice-Admiral Lombardo turned up telling porkies, or different branches of the Argentine military still had no idea what each other was up to one year after the war ended, to the extent that some officers were being court-martialled for obeying their orders.

    Somewhere else, and I don’t have time to look it up at the moment, I read that Piece of Shit Astiz had been given the task of defending South Georgia as a means of redeeming himself, since even senior members of the Argentina military were sickened and disgusted by him. But he duly proceeded to shit his pants when the Brits showed up. But he was lucky, that he fell into the hands of people with the honour not to give him a taste of his own medicine.

    Maybe one too he too will get his own banknote.

    Mar 26th, 2015 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Astiz should have been given to the French to answer for what he did to the two Nuns.
    French jails are no picnic.

    Mar 26th, 2015 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • downunder

    @34

    You have done a lot of research to expose AB's lies and reveal the real story of cowardice and incompetence on the part of certain Argentines and the Junta.

    “Lieutenant Commander Lagos, was court-martialled in 1983 for ‘contravening Argentina’s military code by surrendering without having exhausted his ammunition and without three quarters of his men becoming casualties'. ”

    How Argentine is that?

    “Either Vice-Admiral Lombardo turned up telling porkies, or different branches of the Argentine military still had no idea what each other was up to one year after the war ended, to the extent that some officers were being court-martialled for obeying their orders.”

    What a mess, but it does reflect the chaotic situation that most observers believe was going on within the Junta and the military at the time.

    Mar 26th, 2015 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alberto Bertorelli

    dowunder: “How Argentine is that?”:

    “Stories of Australian deserters circulate but no one has nailed down the numbers. But there is evidence that up to a third of the Australian force became stragglers [deserters],” Stanley says ... Claims of cowardice and desertion by Australian troops in Singapore surfaced in 1993 when a secret report by the British general Sir Archibald Wavell was discovered in London. It baldly said: “For the fall of Singapore itself the Australians are responsible.” ... But the ignominy was compounded by the British historian Peter Elphick, who wrote in his 1995 book Pregnable Fortress that official files refer to damning indictments of the Australians, including “mass desertion, looting, rape and murder” ... More than 130,000 Allied troops became prisoners of the Japanese. ” http://www.smh.com.au/national/the-day-the-empire-died-in-shame-20120214-1t462.html Proof dumb Australian Yobbos cost the British the Singapore Fortress.

    Mar 27th, 2015 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @37

    Holy Shit! A defeat in Singapore! I had no idea!

    So that explains why Italy and Japan won the war, and Argentina didn't fuck up in 1982!

    Mar 27th, 2015 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alberto Bertorelli

    Without US airpower and armour on the ground the British Army was always retreating:
    “Harmon's research disclosed that the British were responsible for crimes against both German soldiers and Allied civilians ... British troops were supplied with dumdum bullets ... London issued directives to take no prisoners ... For this reason British Tommies feared being captured because ”they supposed that the enemy's orders would be the same as their own.“ On May 27, 90 prisoners of the Norfolk Regiment were killed by members of the SS Totendopf Division and on May 28, over 80 men of the Warwickshire Regiment were executed by troops of the SS Adolf Hitler Regiment. These acts were committed in retaliation for the massacre of large numbers of men of the SS Totenkopf Division ... French and Belgian civilians fared little better than the Germans at the hands of their British confederates. Looting was common and ”stealing from civilians soon became official policy.“ British military authorities executed, without trial, civilians suspected of disloyalty. In one instance, reports Harmon, the Grenadier Guards shot 17 suspected ”fifth columnists” at Helchin ... The evacuation from Dunkirk ... commenced on May 26. It was originally hoped that up to 45,000 men might be rescued. The actual total came to 338,000 men. Lord Gort was instructed not to inform his French and Belgian colleagues that the evacuation was beginning ... the British withdrew their units, leaving seven French divisions alone to face the advancing Germans. The French fought on until their ammunition was exhausted and managed, like the Belgians, to tie down German forces ... http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v02/v02p375_Lutton.html

    Mar 27th, 2015 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • downunder

    @39

    Mar 27th, 2015 - 06:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @39

    www.ihr.org/jhr/v02/v02p375_Lutton.html

    Excellent source. Highly credible.

    ”The Institute for Historical Review (IHR), founded in 1978, is an organization primarily devoted to publishing and promoting books and essays that deny established facts concerning the Nazi genocide of Jews.[2][3][4][5][6] It is considered by many scholars as the world's leading Holocaust denial organization.[2][7][8] Critics have accused the Institute of antisemitism and having links to neo-Nazi organizations. The Institute published the non-peer-reviewed Journal of Historical Review until 2002, but now disseminates its materials through its website and via email. The Institute is affiliated with the Legion for the Survival of Freedom and Noontide Press.[9]”

    Mar 27th, 2015 - 07:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • downunder

    @39
    Wow, you read a lot! It’s a shame that you don’t read to learn instead of cherry picking extracts that titillate your prejudices.

    You can dissemble the facts; produce conclusions that are not supported by the texts or focus on so called 'evidence' that distort the truth of past battles as much as you like; however, in the end the wars ended and the time line stops.

    In the case of Singapore it stopped with the Japanese surrender to the allies in 1945. In the case of South Georgia and the Falklands it stopped with the Argentine surrender to the British in 1982.

    These were very different wars but they were both started by aggressor nations who were out to conquer other people’s territories and ended with the aggressor being vanquished. But at least the Japanese were worthy opponents.

    Mar 27th, 2015 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Without US airpower and armour on the ground the British Army was always retreating:

    NEXT you will be telling us,
    without US help Italy would have won the war....

    Mar 27th, 2015 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alberto Bertorelli

    downunder: “But at least the Japanese were worthy opponents”???:

    “The 13,000 Argentine defenders ... were well-prepared and equipped with modern weapons, including the very latest night vision goggles. When the two sides clashed, the conscripts fought well against the 10,500 British professionals ranged against them, and in some prolonged firefights inflicted serious casualties on the invaders” (Historical Dictionary of Naval Intelligence By Nigel West)

    “After the Battle of Two Sisters on 11/12 June, a senior NCO said, ”They were good steadfast troops, I rate them.“ High praise indeed coming from a sergeant-major in the Royal Marines” (The FN FAL Battle Rifle By Robert Cashner)

    “Many Argentines acquitted themselves valiantly in battle, as the long list of posthumous medals for bravery in the Official Report of the Argentine Army indicates” (Mates and Muchachos: Unit Cohesion in the Falklands-Malvinas War By Nora K Stewart)

    Mar 27th, 2015 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    But they still lost, didn't they?

    Why can't you admit it?

    Are you ashamed?

    You should be.

    Mar 28th, 2015 - 07:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @45

    Of course he is. That's why he's so desperately trying to find reasons not to be.

    Mar 28th, 2015 - 07:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Pathetic. Real men learn from their mistakes, they don't retreat into fantasy board games in a stupid attempt to re - write history in their own minds.
    I have zero respect for this poster and will ignore him in the future, unless of course he is willing to admit that Argentina lost in 1982.
    I bet his reasons why are incredulous too!

    Mar 28th, 2015 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Usurping Pirate

    @44 : Please regale us with stories of your distinguished military service .......

    Mar 28th, 2015 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    Without US airpower and armour on the ground the British Army was always retreating:
    Western desert and Malta. The RAF was ineffective here and relied on the USAAF ?
    Caen and the Falaise gap. The 2nd TAF were secondary to the Americans here ?
    One of the toughest battles of the Normandy campaign. What American armour was involved here ?
    You don't really know much posting that preposterous statement

    Mar 29th, 2015 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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