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Spain's Socialists rules out any partner that supports Catalonia independence referendum

Thursday, December 31st 2015 - 08:35 UTC
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Spain's Socialist party ruled out forming a new government with any party that supported a referendum on independence in Catalonia, a stand that prolongs political uncertainty after this month's inconclusive national election. Read full article

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  • Skip

    Aaaah just what Spain needs..... another constituonal crisis.

    Dec 31st, 2015 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Independence for Catalonia, the Kurds, the Basques, Northern Nigeria, Scotland etc etc etc. Let them all do what they want but with no going back I say. Lifes too short, self determination for all.

    Dec 31st, 2015 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    Spanish colonialist imperialism. Check the history. Conquered by marriage? Were the people consulted? What's spain's attitude? Don't discuss or argue. The people of Europe must come together to defeat the spanish imperialists. Worthless spain only pays lip service to democracy.

    Dec 31st, 2015 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    @3
    I find myself actually agreeing with you for a change, however I don't think any Spanish speaking nation truly understands democracy or self-determination, hence the reason there is no point discussing it with them.

    Vicariously I have lots of lovely friends in Valencia and they believe this to be a mess that won't resolve itself, even if they form a hotch potch of a coalition, they won't agree on anything.

    Time for Gibraltar to fortify and get the reef finished.

    Dec 31st, 2015 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MagnusMaster

    @4 We do understand democracy and self-determination, we just don't like people dividing our countries. Not only it is pure humilliation to our nation and our race, but it plays into the interests of the British who want to continue to subjugate Latinos.

    Dec 31st, 2015 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • V0ice

    Get a life. The Brits long stopped subjugation. Stupidity is the only thing that subjagates, in your words, your race. Are latinos in of itself a race? What are white latinos? And black latinos? Like I said, stupidity subjagates you, socialism divides, innovation will unite you. Stop the whoa is me card. Bitching is for birches so get a real life, or take yours.

    Jan 01st, 2016 - 01:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Get a real login you loser.

    Jan 01st, 2016 - 02:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • V0ice

    I suggest that if you give an imperative post, state one you can enforce, or stfu.

    Crikey......what an ass wiper.

    Jan 01st, 2016 - 04:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Get a real login you loser.

    Jan 01st, 2016 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    If the UK allowed Scotland to decide for itself on matters of independence, and allowed the Falklands to decide whether or not to remain British, then Spain should put on its big-boy trousers and allow the Països Catalans (pàtria del meu cor) to do as they wish in this regard. In failing to do so Spain has once again reminded the world of its 17th-century nature.

    Jan 01st, 2016 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    Don't the Catalans have most of the wealth?

    Jan 01st, 2016 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    @11 That is one of the myths in perceptions of Spain. The catalans produce about 20 percent of Spain's GDP. And this is in spite of Franco's efforts through the 1970s to curb industrial predominance in Catalunya. But the catalan culture, language, etc., are rather distinct from much of Spain. And you can get decent coffee in Catalunya, something that seems to become increasingly difficult once you cross the Ebro.

    Jan 01st, 2016 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @5. Don't be ridiculous. Quite clearly, spain is a “country” formed by conquest in one form or another. Certain people like to whitter about imperialist colonialism and Britain. How did Catalonia get to be part of spain? In 1137, two people got married. How did that justify joining Catalonia with the Kingdom of Aragon? The Canary Islands were conquered between 1402 and 1496. Where are the Guanche people? How about the Basque people? How about Galicians? Imperialist colonialism. And the response to requests for democracy and self-determination are met, of course, with the jackboot. But spain learned from its experience in Iberia when it went to south america. And successfully wiped out most of the native people. The most well-known are obvious. Where are the Aztecs? Where are the Mayans? Pick tribes further south. How many are left? How many are still treated as though they are second or even third class? Do they govern themselves? How's the healthcare? Who's taken their land? How many are murdered each year by the police?

    No, you don't understand democracy and self-determination. You understand oppression. If the people of the Basque country, Galicia, Catalonia want independence and self-determination, it's oppressive to deny it. Let's see argieland treating its indigenous people as though they are of European origin.

    Jan 01st, 2016 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @12 So, is the Catalan language more similar to that spoken on Mallorca?

    Jan 01st, 2016 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    @14 The languages or rather dialects spoken in the Balearic Islands are dialects of catalan and sometimes called “balear” or “català insular” in catalan. The subdialects on the islands are sufficiently developed to be accorded names: menorquí on Menorca, mallorquí on Mallorca. On the islands of Eivissa and Formentera there is eivissenc. There are some interesting arabic influences in the balear dialects that differ considerably from both català and castellà. If you might wish to get into a terrible argument in Valencia, just suggest that valencià is a mere dialect of català.

    Jan 02nd, 2016 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @15 Thanks.

    Jan 02nd, 2016 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    As long as they leave Gibraltar alone,.

    Jan 03rd, 2016 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    @17 Maybe Argentina should trouble Spain about decolonising its territories in Africa. And then Spain could bother Argentina about decolonising Tierra del Fuego.

    Jan 03rd, 2016 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    A good point

    Jan 03rd, 2016 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Podemos is financially and politically supported by the Chavistas in Venezuela.

    http://panampost.com/editor/2015/08/26/chavezs-daughter-is-filthy-rich-and-that-shouldnt-be-a-surprise/#at_pco=smlwn-1.0&at_si=5689c28c542ea77b&at_ab=per-2&at_pos=0&at_tot=1

    “The alleged fortune of María Gabriela Chávez, daughter of the late Hugo Chávez, has recently stirred up controversy in Venezuela. Media reports suggest that Chávez’s daughter has US$4.2 billion stored in bank accounts in the United States and Andorra, which might make her the wealthiest person in Venezuela.+

    Critics have pointed to a supposed inconsistency: how can one support the so-called Bolivarian Revolution while enjoying such enormous riches? However, the premise of this critique is flawed, because it assumes that Chavismo emerged to uphold rights and equality.+

    In countries like Venezuela, the inequality between crony politicians and common citizens is evident. The first group enjoys considerable privileges, while the latter struggles to avoid drowning in a sea of inflation, shortages, and unemployment. The ruling class’s friends can travel and have access to foreign goods. Common Venezuelans must make do with “shopping” at mostly empty supermarkets.”

    Jan 04th, 2016 - 01:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Ilsen

    ”In countries like Venezuela, the inequality between crony politicians and common citizens is evident. The first group enjoys considerable privileges, while the latter struggles to avoid drowning in a sea of inflation, shortages, and unemployment. The ruling class’s friends can travel and have access to foreign goods. Common Venezuelans must make do with “shopping” at mostly empty supermarkets.”

    and yet...

    the lie is presented as the truth and the wannabes supporting them will continue to reach for the carrot so temptingly out of reach...

    Jan 04th, 2016 - 02:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • willowas1

    I pray that Jehovah God will set free Catalonia from Spanish colonial rule and yoke as he set free the biblical Israelites from the yoke of pharaohs in egypt-amen

    Jan 08th, 2016 - 01:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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