Friday, March 25th 2016 - 05:20 UTC

US government supports Argentine appeal to lift injunctions in its debt dispute

In another display of support for the Argentine administration of president Mauricio Macri, the government of the United States affirmed it has “significant foreign policy interests” in finding a “rapid” resolution to the long-standing dispute between Argentina and bondholders.

The announcement was made on Thursday, as Barack Obama ends a two-day visit to Argentina during which he expressed his firm support to Macri's administration

The request was filed to the 2nd US Circuit Court of Appeals in New York demanding it ratifies a ruling by Griesa approving the lifting of the injunctions

US Justice Department said lifting injunctions would respond to the interest of the US government in supporting Macri's initiatives to boost the Argentine economy.

Griesa's ruling vacating the injunctions was conditioned on Argentina-s congress  repealing two laws concerning its debts and paying creditors

 The US Department of Justice released the statement on Thursday, as Barack Obama ends a two-day visit to Argentina during which he expressed his firm support to the administration of Mauricio Macri.

On Wednesday, the US Justice Department filed a request to the 2nd US Circuit Court of Appeals in New York demanding it ratifies a March 2 ruling by US Judge Thomas Griesa approving the lifting of the injunctions he had originally imposed on Argentina following the country’s 6.5 billion dollar offer to settle the debt dispute.

The US Justice Department said lifting those orders would respond to the interest of the US government to support Macri's initiatives to strengthen the Argentine economy by facilitating its access to global money markets.

Earlier this week, lawyers for three bondholder groups that have not reached settlements with Argentina sent letters this week to the US Justice Department, arguing that the US government should not back Argentina’s position in its litigation over defaulted sovereign debt.

The bondholder letters, sent by Milberg, Proskauer Rose and McDermott Will & Emery, allege that Argentina has refused to negotiate with small investors who collectively hold nearly US$1 billion in defaulted bonds, despite recently reaching agreements with the majority of bondholders who declined to participate in previous sovereign debt restructurings, including the hedge funds NML Capital and Aurelius Capital.

Griesa's ruling vacating the injunctions was conditioned on Argentina-s congress repealing two laws concerning its debts and paying creditors who by Feb. 29 reached settlements with the country.

Argentina made the request to lift the injunctions after offering on Feb. 5 to settle lawsuits by various bondholders stemming from its record $100 billion default in 2002. The injunctions at issue prevented Argentina from servicing its restructured debt until it paid the investors, who spurned its 2005 and 2010 debt restructurings.

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1 Marti Llazo (#) Mar 25th, 2016 - 11:44 am Report abuse
Another splendid US example of the executive branch meddling in judicial affairs that are essentially private in nature but provide opportunities for political advantages.
2 chronic (#) Mar 25th, 2016 - 01:15 pm Report abuse
“demanded”.

Sure.

lol.

Read the pleadings, editors.
3 Briton (#) Mar 25th, 2016 - 02:08 pm Report abuse
He will be gone soon,
the argies will have to talk to Clinton or trump.or cruze
4 Marti Llazo (#) Mar 25th, 2016 - 06:45 pm Report abuse
@2 “demanded”

Remember that the kids that mercopiss gets to re-write these articles have neither an adequate understanding of English nor a fundamental comprehension of the separation of powers of countries such as the US.
5 chronic (#) Mar 25th, 2016 - 06:59 pm Report abuse
@4. concur

@ 3. I don't know about Trump but if any one in rg thinks that Ted or Hills cares about anything south of of Texas - they are highly delusional.
6 Enrique Massot (#) Mar 25th, 2016 - 07:20 pm Report abuse
And we have seen nothing yet. Wait till those who accepted a 70 per cent haircut that represent 92 per cent of the defaulted debt find a judge that rules they too should get 100 per cent, in a similar “equal treatment” interpretation to that of Judge Griesa.
With his complacent concessions and his hurry to “come back to the world,” Macri has placed Argentine on shaking ground, without any visible advantage.
7 chronic (#) Mar 25th, 2016 - 07:37 pm Report abuse
Sweet isn't it.

Macaroni has virtually outflanked himself with his posturing for a rapid, discounted closeout.

lol.
8 Briton (#) Mar 25th, 2016 - 09:10 pm Report abuse
True.
9 Britworker (#) Mar 25th, 2016 - 09:22 pm Report abuse
What a great opportunity it would have been for Mr Obama to point out to the Argentine people that if they run up a large debt, then they have to pay it back, with interest and if some people don't want their debt restructured then that's ok, they can expect to be paid back in full..

Oh we are so lucky in the UK that we have this wonderful man coming to see us very soon to share his wisdom with us. How will we manage until he gets here.
10 Marti Llazo (#) Mar 25th, 2016 - 10:50 pm Report abuse
@6

Pari passu was part of the original bond ownership contract obligations and it did not expire, but the RUFO clause that was involved in the contracts for the restructured debt expired in 2014. Big difference. Of course, Argentines at any latitude don't understand the concept of contractual obligations.
11 Moderator (#) Mar 26th, 2016 - 11:05 am Report abuse
correct, RUFO clause expired.
12 Briton (#) Mar 26th, 2016 - 07:51 pm Report abuse
How will history judge this man.
13 Marti Llazo (#) Mar 26th, 2016 - 09:13 pm Report abuse
@12 Which man? Obama? Or Macri? Or Griesa? Too early to tell about the last two. For the first there seems to be some consensus about his being the worst US president since WWII. Perhaps he hopes that doing a little bordello dancing during his Argentina visit will gain him some slack.
14 Lucifer (#) Mar 27th, 2016 - 12:38 pm Report abuse
The ESPN interview of Obama at the ballgame with Castro is the epitome of his failed Presidency. His narcissism is boundless.
January can't come soon enough.
15 The Voice (#) Mar 27th, 2016 - 01:10 pm Report abuse
Obama has been a great President. He got America out of the Republican recession, gave everyone health care, promoted fairness and curtailed big business lobbying. pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/ And what does the GOP come up with, Trump! Losers!
16 Lucifer (#) Mar 27th, 2016 - 02:08 pm Report abuse
thefederalist.com/2015/11/19/barack-obama-worst-president-ever/

15. You're in the minority, the far left and from the center right to the far right all think Obama has been the worst Prez in 100 yrs (or ever)

The best thing he has done is turn the majority of States/House/Senate Republican. Largest swing right in decades.
17 Marti Llazo (#) Mar 27th, 2016 - 03:40 pm Report abuse
@15 “ gave everyone health care”

“ Gave” ?

Only if “ giving” involves significantly raising the premiums paid by others and creating a Respiration Tax: you breathe, you pay the tax. How many other countries have a Respiration Tax?
18 chronic (#) Mar 27th, 2016 - 04:36 pm Report abuse
Delusional commie lights already with the revisionism when the ink isn't even dry on the worst presidency ever.

Obammy presided over the weakest post recessionary non economic recovery in history.

In the process of failing to restore economic vitality Obammy will have doubled the national debt to 20 + Trillion dollars in just Eight years.

The whole of the middle east and much of the rest of the muslim nations are political destabilized and or under attack internally and or externally by extremist due directly to the actions and inactions of Obammy.

Obammy has failed to impede Russia in its consolidation of power in south Georgia and has signaled to Putin through his fecklessness that it was OK to seize Crimea and partition the balance of Ukraine.

Obammy has bolstered the Iranium and Cubar regimes just as they were ready to implode.

Per black leaders, Obammy has failed to advocate for social issues and betrayed blacks in failing to stem the flood of the exportation jobs overseas and by trying to expand it.

While pledging never again with the too big to fail rhetoric, Obammy has allowed banks to consolidate markets becoming even larger than they were 8 years ago and has now failed to control a second explosion in derivatives.

Obammy's pivot to Asia has failed to thwart the territorial aspirations of China and as with Russia rather than being impeded they are emboldened as was Assad when Obammy failed to respond when his famous line in the sand was crossed without consequence.

With the appointment of Janet Yellen Obamy signalled a fragmented, contradictory monetary policy that has roiled markets internationally and has contributed to a global slip towards a universal economic crisis.

His domestic policies produce hardship and have lead to a widening of economic disparity.

And he has served as an agent of moral decay.

Obammy is now left to ponder the damage he has wrought.
19 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 27th, 2016 - 05:37 pm Report abuse
@18 Chronos

Ridiculous GOP disinformation campaign.

Quite the reverse is true - Corporate lobbies are creating the income disparity you speak of, protected by Republican business interests.

You do the American people a disservice. Never mind, you despise them anyway. Not surprising, as you are not American.
20 Lucifer (#) Mar 27th, 2016 - 06:10 pm Report abuse
Love to see some facts/links on how there's less Lobbyist during the Obama regime.

Clinton is the worse insider there is, a corporate and banking shill. More of the same of the Obama years and the vast majority don't want that.
21 chronic (#) Mar 27th, 2016 - 07:14 pm Report abuse
Canuckie preoccupied with America.

What's that about?

GOP?

No more of that rino hypocrisy.

Obviously struck a nerve on ole commie light.

Truth just tortures these Pollyannaish, naive, namby pamby, pc, commie lights.

Yeeehaw!
22 Briton (#) Mar 27th, 2016 - 07:20 pm Report abuse
so perhaps history wont be kind to obarmy,
as you say, the other two is still pending
23 Lucifer (#) Mar 27th, 2016 - 08:00 pm Report abuse
21. The PC culture is dying and the word police are having a hard time with it.

Its one of the reasons Trump is so popular.
24 chronic (#) Mar 27th, 2016 - 08:09 pm Report abuse
What's really funny is that burnie and even hills are acknowledging Obammy's multiplicity of failures despite the fact that both have contributed to them only on totally separate sets of issues. Burnie fully indicts Obammy on job exportation and international adventurism.

The resident commie lights are too devoid of intelligence to realize that burnie actually gets it right on banking. Glass Stegall should be reinstated and expanded as should SAA and applied to Google and Walmart. Obammy sold his soul to Wall Street and should be indicted for Solyndra. And carried interest should taxed as it's an elective deferment

Hilly is the sweetheart of the insiders and gets zero correct other than her own pathetic self interests. If it's good for cliton you can be sure it's bad for the future as evidenced by the flight of young supporters.
25 Lucifer (#) Mar 27th, 2016 - 08:26 pm Report abuse
24. The Sanders supporters are basically the Occupy this and that hippies. The best part is Hillary is having to spend way more money than she planned and having to campaign longer and harder.
Notice the cough?
Its getting worse.
26 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 27th, 2016 - 09:07 pm Report abuse
YB/Chronos

“Double-teamed, I'm so lucky!”
27 chronic (#) Mar 27th, 2016 - 09:10 pm Report abuse
More like - doomed.

Speak to the issues, Canuckie.
28 Lucifer (#) Mar 27th, 2016 - 09:27 pm Report abuse
You should hear Troy ranting about poverty in the California and he's blaming the Republicans!
G-D he's stupid.
8 years of Obama and 40 years of Dems running CA and somehow its the Republicans fault there's poor people?
Love to see that logic tree!!

I have never met a smart Canadian have you?
29 chronic (#) Mar 27th, 2016 - 09:28 pm Report abuse
Not yet.
30 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 27th, 2016 - 10:41 pm Report abuse
28/29 Fake American personas

Bush's Rep. set the stage that precipitated the debt crisis and the mortgage collapse in 2008.

Families and old folk lost their jobs, homes and savings.

The Rep. set up the bailouts for the car companies and US corporate investment banks.

“Too big to fail” - Remember that?

Obama worked to fix the situation.

For 8 years, we've heard nothing but Republican rhetoric that Obama must be stopped.

Lest we forget...
31 chronic (#) Mar 27th, 2016 - 10:52 pm Report abuse
No, sorry.

Not even close.

Cliton appointed Raines as head of Fannie May. Cliton owns the whole debacle. Famous commie economist/liar Joe Stiglitz testified before congress and even signed his name to a report that the likelihood of mass mortgage default was so unlikely as to be negligible - a veritable black swan. Before people had even stopped repeating it the cracks appeared. Who signed the interest deduction into law?

If you keep your mouth shut you may be able to conceal the true expanse of your ignorance, tt.
32 Lucifer (#) Mar 27th, 2016 - 11:17 pm Report abuse
30. It is well researched that the Dem Congress through their bad gov't policies caused the FNMA Freddie mac collapse.

www.nber.org/

Democrats and the media insist the Community Reinvestment Act, the anti-redlining law beefed up by President Clinton, had nothing to do with the subprime mortgage crisis and recession.

But a new study by the respected National Bureau of Economic Research finds, “Yes, it did. We find that adherence to that act led to riskier lending by banks.”

Added NBER: “There is a clear pattern of increased defaults for loans made by these banks in quarters around the (CRA) exam. Moreover, the effects are larger for loans made within CRA tracts,” or predominantly low-income and minority areas.

To satisfy CRA examiners, “flexible” lending by large banks rose an average 5% and those loans defaulted about 15% more often, the 43-page study found.

The strongest link between CRA lending and defaults took place in the runup to the crisis — 2004 to 2006 — when banks rapidly sold CRA mortgages for securitization by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and Wall Street.

CRA regulations are at the core of Fannie’s and Freddie’s so-called affordable housing mission. In the early 1990s, a Democrat Congress gave HUD the authority to set and enforce (through fines) CRA-grade loan quotas at Fannie and Freddie.

It passed a law requiring the government-backed agencies to “assist insured depository institutions to meet their obligations under the (CRA).” The goal was to help banks meet lending quotas by buying their CRA loans.

But they had to loosen underwriting standards to do it. And that’s what they did.

Troy you are scary stupid.
33 chronic (#) Mar 27th, 2016 - 11:19 pm Report abuse
lol.
34 V0ice (#) Mar 28th, 2016 - 12:41 am Report abuse
www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-online-secrets/201409/internet-trolls-are-narcissists-psychopaths-and-sadists
35 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 28th, 2016 - 12:42 am Report abuse
@33

A decade of Bush Republican administration, a disastrously expensive Gulf War with the VPOTUS pocketing $B's, and an unchecked mortgage bubble with unsecured loans, and the worst debt implosion in World history...

Congrats, Trump boosters!!

Obama started his admin in 2009
36 chronic (#) Mar 28th, 2016 - 12:45 am Report abuse
Wow, Voice.

Glad that you are seeking help.

Too bad Yankee Boy isn't here to witness this.

He was always concerned about you.

NOT!
37 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 28th, 2016 - 12:55 am Report abuse
@36 YB/chronos

You guys could split the therapist's fee.

Hopefully the Dr. bills per person and not persona.
38 chronic (#) Mar 28th, 2016 - 01:13 am Report abuse
You're still shooting blanks, tt.

Bushy put bin laden on the run and killed sadam - both good investments.

If Cheney had done something actionable holder would have had him in prison.

I loathe Republicans.

Very few of them are conservatives.

Keep pitching though - it's entertaining watching you flounder.
39 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 28th, 2016 - 02:04 am Report abuse
Wow, Chronos...

Make a definite statement about something... anything....

You are like voice - stand for nothing, no defining values... small target...

No convictions, just a contrarian Troll.

Say goodnight... Dick!
40 Captain Poppy (#) Mar 28th, 2016 - 02:27 am Report abuse
Bushy would have had bin Laden at tora bora if Cheney did not exert his influence and outsourced 90% force used in that operation. The only thing the happend there is a good field man was killed.

Killing Sadam served no usefull purpose for the usa at all. The yellow cake lie is the only reason we e went.....more lies and two more deaths.....Valerie Place and Colin powell.

But hey, Haliburton made money hand over foot......not to mention the electrocutions for taking a shower. And Bushy did the grunts and support right......allowed the vendors to sell 16 ounce cokes for $10....... $15 big macs......and...and

Cheney allowed Libbey to take his bullet thinking Bushy would pardon him. But, when Bushy took out his crayons and signed the pardons.....Libby was not on the list and have been at odds since. Such is the story of sock puppets and the puppeteers.

Looks like common grounf.......I hate republicans too.....more than spineless democrats.
41 georgeneurus (#) Mar 28th, 2016 - 03:03 am Report abuse
CHRONIC: ARE OYU FORM UK?? USA WIHTN OBAM AS AT ITS WORST FEW YEARS AGO WITH 8 POERCENT NO JOB, TODAY MAYBE 3, SAVE ALSO THE MSSACRE THEREAL STATES AGENCT DID ESPECAILLY IN FLORIA, GAVE MONEY TO THE BANKERS, PUT IN JAIL THOSE CORPORATIVIST WHO STOLE THEN MONEY FORM ITS OWN MPLOYEES RPORATION, SAVE EVEN THE BANKRUPCY OF THE ATM IN NEW YORK.
42 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 28th, 2016 - 03:43 am Report abuse
41

Chronic is NOT from the USA.

He is from Britain or Europe. He likes to pretend to be an American, but he is a fake Anerican, like Hepatia.
43 Lucifer (#) Mar 28th, 2016 - 11:54 am Report abuse
42. Why do you care? Wherever he is from its better than Canada. He's clearly smarter than you.

40. Nobody was forcing you to spend money on junk food. You should have saved for College instead of Big Macs and Cokes. Possibly you wouldn't be so bitter and angry now.
44 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 28th, 2016 - 01:02 pm Report abuse
@43 YB

Clearly, he spends his time trying to deceive others and represent himself as something he is not.

Readers of MP should realise that the things he says are not those of a true Anerican.

He does NOT represent the thoughts of the American people.

If YOU were a true American, you should've outraged - you are not.

It speaks volumes. As do you.

Notice that “voice” disappeared at the same time “Chronic” became a prolific poster.

This would account for the schedule of posting that he keeps.
Must be a full time occupation.

His name seems to coincide nicely with what psychologists call CTS - Chronic Troll Syndrome.

“voice” always wanted to be an American - now it 'appears' he IS one.

LOL... !

We'll hear another ridiculous argument and denunciation now, as neither “voice” nor “Chronic” can ever be allowed to lose an argument...
45 Captain Poppy (#) Mar 28th, 2016 - 01:19 pm Report abuse
Well Luci.....nice to see you took my advice and now understand the difference in college and university in the USA. As for the Big MAc.s......that went right over you head. Glue on a man bun.

Agreed Troy......Luci/chronic seem to loath the American soldiers maybe just me. But I find pleasure in knowing and can even get him to respond to me in the posts that he so often does. Luci often referred to university when I corrected him he now is saying college. You yourself know we Americans always refer to college or post grad studies or even alma mater. Now he is saying........“college”. As I said to him Troy.......the more he responds to me, the more it's the little things to tell a story. Those little things that he will never be wise to because, one must be an American to know them. I can talk all I want of Loos and lifts and bobbi's, it will never have me understand the British culture.

Here Ubu.....here. gooooood boooiiii
46 Lucifer (#) Mar 28th, 2016 - 02:33 pm Report abuse
You two are so dumb.
Now Chronic is Voice not YB?
Do you agree Grunt?

Lets put it this way I am more American than either of you.
47 Captain Poppy (#) Mar 28th, 2016 - 02:59 pm Report abuse
Of course you are.

Maybe if you say it three times it will come true.

I'm from Massachusetts and born in NYC. You on the other hand cannot make a statement that would box you in and trolls such as yourself cannot be boxed in. They might get asked detailed information. In fact everything that you say has to be devoid of details. I absolutely love that your compulsion to post is so strong that you will always come back, in one name or another.
48 Lucifer (#) Mar 28th, 2016 - 03:23 pm Report abuse
Again, why do you care?

Who's compulsion is stronger?
You answer every one of my posts like an obedient child.
49 Captain Poppy (#) Mar 28th, 2016 - 03:56 pm Report abuse
I answer you when you answer me, not before.

Sit Ubu sit.

Father....may I?
50 Lucifer (#) Mar 28th, 2016 - 04:47 pm Report abuse
Why do you care?

Wait are you going to ask me to email you to get the answer?
51 Captain Poppy (#) Mar 28th, 2016 - 05:21 pm Report abuse
Why do you want to know, dad?
52 Lucifer (#) Mar 28th, 2016 - 06:01 pm Report abuse
Yuck, am I unknowingly playing out some sort of sexual fantasy with you?
53 Captain Poppy (#) Mar 28th, 2016 - 06:09 pm Report abuse
If you seem to think so. Sure.....whatever you say. Your Mr. Details.
54 Lucifer (#) Mar 28th, 2016 - 06:58 pm Report abuse
I don't want to play.
There's plenty of other places you can get your rocks off
Try there.
55 Captain Poppy (#) Mar 28th, 2016 - 07:21 pm Report abuse
Good lord Luci, is that what I am doing, getting my “rock” off? Now how exactly does one get their rocks on online? I'm thinking you've perfected that, mastered one would saying, well voiced as a debater, one might even say that you are in fact a master debater.

Don't play luci, not when you can't support a simple thing that you say, or even define the perimeters of which you operate under. Very simple rules of engagement nothings like you have.

You will always be my Ace of Spades, until the deck is reshuffled.

50 states you you cannot say which you are from

over 19,000 incorporated towns and cities, too afraid to asscociate yourself to one

We all know why, because the same reason you cannot define a liberal

the same reason you cannot define a conservative

The choice are simple.......too stupid, or too afraid to box yourself in, trolls never do that. MP was your trolls heaven.

You disappoint me dad, your loving fucking grunt.
56 Lucifer (#) Mar 28th, 2016 - 08:21 pm Report abuse
Oh my poor little grunt.
Did I hurt your feelings?

So sorry you found someone that won't play your silly games.
57 Captain Poppy (#) Mar 28th, 2016 - 08:24 pm Report abuse
Back out to play, okay. I knew you could not resist.

Yes you did if you think so.
58 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 28th, 2016 - 08:53 pm Report abuse
@57 Captain

I think you have effectively shown that these “two”, Chronos and YB, are Trolls.

They have no convictions, none!

They are Trolks and doomsayers, nothing more.

They only criticise and mock.

They will make no definite statements about who or what they stand for.

Ask them a direct question and you will get ad hominem attacks, deflection or silence.

“Chronic” has tried to represent himself as an American and mis-represent his opinions as those of Americans .

Chronos has the mannerisms, thinking, and slang of someone from Britain.

He is way off base and doesn't realise it - he knows about the US only what he reads on RT and sees on television.

“Lucifer” is quite obviously the same poster as YB and T. Paine. Both were laughed right off MP, and rightly so.

He is likely a fake American too. I have never seen e servicemen as he does. If he were a true American, he would be outraged at the stupid performance of Chronos pretending to be American.

He is not.

They are both here continually - their purpose is try to disrupt discussion and discredit legitimate posters.

Every time they attack you or me or somebody else, they demonstrate their true nature.

BTW

Happy Easter to you and your wife.
59 Captain Poppy (#) Mar 28th, 2016 - 09:37 pm Report abuse
And he did not want to play yet he did.

Theread is a petition going around to allow open carry side arms at the GOP convention. Let's see how much the GOP believes in the 2nd amendment. And a crazy shooter at the Capitol Building today.

Happy Easter to you and yours as well.
60 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 28th, 2016 - 10:27 pm Report abuse
@59

Ha ha ha... Mental illness AND ready access to firearms... !!

I can hardly contain myself!!
61 Lucifer (#) Mar 29th, 2016 - 12:48 am Report abuse
States with open carry are the safest around.

Too bad mamby pampy weak wristed liberals will never understand that.

Gaetz then compared the total number of violent crimes (defined by federal officials as murder, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault) with the total population in the eight states without open carry in 2012. We checked his math and found the same result: Those states had a combined violent crime rate of about 434 per 100,000 people. The remaining 42 states had a violent crime rate of about 352 per 100,000. That means states with open carry laws did have a 23 percent lower violent crime rate that year.

You two get dumber every day.
62 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 29th, 2016 - 12:59 am Report abuse
Same old NRA rhetoric
63 Lucifer (#) Mar 29th, 2016 - 11:21 am Report abuse
62. I am sure you'd rather deal in emotions than facts.
64 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 29th, 2016 - 09:38 pm Report abuse
@63 YB

I have a challenge for you.

Try using the words, “ responsible gun ownership”, in the same sentence as “Trump supporters”.
65 Lucifer (#) Mar 29th, 2016 - 09:52 pm Report abuse
Do you have some proof they're not?
66 Voice (#) Mar 30th, 2016 - 12:29 am Report abuse
36
What's this I missed...?
You are aboot as bad as Troll Tempest with your eyesight...34 is not me....that is not an o...it's a zero....
V0ice
Voice
If it's not in character... (my character)....then it's not me....

ps... YB has not stopped posting...as you well know....
67 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 30th, 2016 - 01:36 am Report abuse
@65 YB

What's your opinion?

Oh, right! You never have one.

Troll
68 Lucifer (#) Mar 30th, 2016 - 11:28 am Report abuse
I have facts
You have opinions based on emotions
weak wristed mamby pamby liberal
you're sickening
69 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 30th, 2016 - 12:46 pm Report abuse
Real Americans have very strong feelings about their political alliance.

As an American, which candidate do you support?

Won't answer?

Yeah, thought not.
70 Lucifer (#) Mar 30th, 2016 - 02:04 pm Report abuse
That's your opinion.

You were never in a debate club were you?
Did you even make it out of High School?

Troy I find you off-putting probably like most people you've ever met.

You add nothing to the conversation, you attack and then answer with ad-hominem nonsense.

If anyone is a Troll it's you.
71 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 30th, 2016 - 03:03 pm Report abuse
@70 YB

You love to deflect by trying to engage others in off-topic arguments.

As a debater, do you actually have a position to assert or defend?

You never make a statement except to criticise, but you have no position of your own.
72 Lucifer (#) Mar 30th, 2016 - 05:21 pm Report abuse
Troy I jsut said the exact same thing to you in my above post

so...

Let's debate the topic People from Canada are Stupid.

GO!
73 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 30th, 2016 - 07:27 pm Report abuse
@72 YB

I guess that makes you a hypocrite, then.

You say you have “facts”, yet you fail to post the link !!

Captain Poppy made a comment @59

“Theread is a petition going around to allow open carry side arms at the GOP convention. Let's see how much the GOP believes in the 2nd amendment. And a crazy shooter at the Capitol Building today.”

I gave my answer.

Given your “facts”,
Do YOU think it's good idea to allow open carry sidearms at Trump campaign conventions?
74 V0ice (#) Mar 30th, 2016 - 07:35 pm Report abuse
Aboot time you start deflecting something, eh?

Americans by Gallup:

33% do not know who delivered the Gettsburg address

8% do know know who the 1st US President was

43% can't name 2 of the 3 branches or government

41% do not know how many senators each state has

66% do not know where “ We hold these truths to be self evident” come from or ever heard of them

53% do not know what the first ten amendments of the Constitution is called

83% do not know who the current Chief Justice of SCOTUS is

According to Gallup. Proud Americans!!

So, never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers, Trump might be President. Watch the documentary, idiocracy if you believe otherwise. Oops, I forgot, that was a comedy film at the time only to evolve INTO a documentary.
75 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 30th, 2016 - 09:14 pm Report abuse
@74

Switched to your “voice” persona now?
76 Lucifer (#) Mar 31st, 2016 - 11:38 am Report abuse
The secret service would never allow guns in the convention so the question is moot.

I gave you a some facts above showing ”open carry' states (and there's more coming probably 8 by eoy) are safer than those that don't allow it.
I like safe states.

One of the glorious freedoms we have enshrined in the Constitution of the USA is the right to bear arms. Nothing or No one will ever impinge on that right.

Do you thank your Diety every day you were born under the protection of the USA?
If not you should.
77 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 31st, 2016 - 12:58 pm Report abuse
@76 YB

“The secret service would never allow guns in the convention so the question is moot”

Hardly moot.
Forget whether the Secret Service will “allow” it.

Based on the “facts”, do YOU conclude that attendees of the Trump convention should have ready access to open carry sidearms ?

C'mon, it's not too hard - yes or no??
78 Lucifer (#) Mar 31st, 2016 - 02:36 pm Report abuse
Sure, why not?

Trump's rallies have been infiltrated by Sanders supporters and when they get out of line the crowd takes care of them.
As they should.
I think they've been too passive with them, too nice if it were up to me they be less a few teeth so they remember next time they want to suppress free speech and agitate at a private event. They bring it on themselves and are shocked when people retaliate. They get what they deserve.

Funny you don't see Trump supporters wreaking havoc at either of the Dem candidates rallies, blocking traffic, causing a ruckus. It shows a better class of people are on the Repub side. Ones that actually believe in free speech and lawful assembly.

Its always the Dem/Lib side that are the aggressors, hate mongers, free speach suppressors, word police, etc etc etc everything that is wrong with the USA and the world.
79 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 31st, 2016 - 03:17 pm Report abuse
Thanks for being candid.

Can you explain then, why non-Trump supporters are physically attacked and violently ejected for nothing more than wearing Sanders shirts?

If this mob violence is your vision of a New America, I shudder.

While we are on thebTrump issue,
Do you want to see Trump as POTUS?
80 Lucifer (#) Mar 31st, 2016 - 03:21 pm Report abuse
Try re-reading my post and see if you can figure out the answer to your last question all by yourself. It's all there if you can actually read.

I am not going to discuss candidates with a Canadian.
You don't understand the USA and never will.

You also didn't answer my questions, do you thank your deity every day for being protected by the USA?
81 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 31st, 2016 - 08:19 pm Report abuse
@80 YB

You are right, I don't understand.
Are you embarrassed to say that Trumps policies resonate with you as a voter, or do you not want to admit that he destroying the Republican Party?

As to Canada's reliance on her NATO partner and Co-operative Dew Line defence network, that's quite off-topic.

When Captain Poppy made a comment to me about loonies at the Trump Convention wanting to open carry sidearms, I responded to him.

YOU jumped in unasked, quoting unsubstantiated statistics about gun ownership and crime, as though you were refuting my observation that the mentally unstable and hateful should not have ready access to weapons.

However, for some reason you refused to confirm that you thought they should be allowed to carry weapons.

A strange paradox - that's why I asked you those questions.

Your unconnected Justin Trudeau questions, slagging of Canadians, and questions about National Defence are not related to this discussion.

I will however clarify one point.

I do not feel any safer or more grateful knowing that there is a short redneck with an inferiority complex in Yakima, taking his kids to school while packing a Desert Eagle.
82 Lucifer (#) Mar 31st, 2016 - 08:44 pm Report abuse
You just keep embarrassing yourself.

You probably don't even realize it.
83 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 31st, 2016 - 09:32 pm Report abuse
@82 YB

The scenario sounded ridiculous, right??
84 Lucifer (#) Mar 31st, 2016 - 10:32 pm Report abuse
I don't know what you're talking about but the last paragraph is simply psychotic.
You do realize that that's the same guy who would protect you weak wristed Canadians from an invasion.
Well you all run and hide, while The pretty Socialist is begging the USA to do something.

You make me sick.
85 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 31st, 2016 - 11:52 pm Report abuse
@84 YB

“Responsible gun owners... ” - I know they're out there, some of them are my friends and I respect them.

It's the emotionally unstable and unpredictable having guns that I worry about.

It has nothing to do with invasions from the “Reds”.

Hate Politics, Loonies, and guns - NO WAY!!

Oh, but you see no problem with that?

BTW, as you pointed out - the Secret Service wouldn't trust that either.
86 Lucifer (#) Apr 01st, 2016 - 11:04 am Report abuse
I see no problem with that. There's not a way to judge who “deserves” to have a gun or not. I certainly would not leave that up to the State to decide. Would you?

It has everything to do with personal protection, whether its from common criminals, violent relatives, foreign invasion or one's own gov't.

I find it difficult an adult doesn't understand that but as I said as a Canadian who relies solely on someone else for their protection you never will.
87 V0ice (#) Apr 01st, 2016 - 03:01 pm Report abuse
Verbosity is your best suit. The demarcation was all after understand:

“I find it difficult an adult doesn't understand”

Little more need be said.
88 Lucifer (#) Apr 02nd, 2016 - 03:29 pm Report abuse
I guess poor ol' Troy couldn't defend the premise People from Canada are Stupid.

Unless he's still working on it...

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