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Montevideo, November 13th 2018 - 18:10 UTC
By Lisa Watson (*), published in The Telegraph - Having a neighbor like Argentina is like living next door to your stalker – someone who terrorizes you but then tearfully berates you for rejecting their advances. Read full article
Yet another British who asks Argentina to grow up, which really means to be an obedient pet of the British. I wonder what does she mean by therapy...
.. is like living next door to your stalker ..
She's surely not thinking of you, is she Think?
If the Argentineans are childish stalkers then the usurpers are hard-headed, self-entitled paranoids.
Sovereignty does not mean government. Argentina wants their claim to be heard and discussed, but a negotiation can comprise a wide range of solutions; such as the same autonomy they enjoy now to govern themselves, determine their economic future, keep the culture, language, education and what have you.
You'll never know what argentina expects unless the UK sits down and does the right thing.
Claiming argentina is a bully and selfish for wanting to incorporate a few small islands to its vast territory is myopic. Without these islands the UK has no claim to the Antarctic, for one; and it strengthens the Argentinean claim for the same geographical reasons the UN accepted to extend its continental marine shelf: logical continuation of its territory.
Also, no country is confortable having a foreign power military base in what they consider to be their territory. The arabs don't like it, Japan doesn't like it, Cuba doesn't like it, the Philippines don't like it, and the list goes on.
So no, my dear Ms Watson, the notion that you'll be sent packing, or that you'll be forced to speak another language, or to change your religion, your currency, your hobbies or that Argentina will prevent you to catch squid overnight is all in your head.
Above all, Argentina just wants that extended piece of territory to be recognized as Argentina. Who rules it and what people do over there has never been discussed.
Well said, Lisa Watson!!
I don't think Troneas really speaks for the Argentine Government.
@4. Never said I did.
Penguin news is only one step up from a junior school news paper.
The world doesn't revolve around those shit covered rocks in the Atlantic.
Argentina wants their claim to be heard and discussed That is the last thing that Argentina wants. Otherwise they would have made a unilateral application to the ICJ for an opinion on the merits of their alleged claim.
...One of the more interesting revelations arising from Judge Oda's study is how few ICJ cases actually arrive at final judgment relative to their docket. Of the 98 cases in the Court's docket from 1946–1999, 90 were considered distinct ‘contentious cases’,45 of which only 47 were fit for examination.46 Among those 47, 11 were submitted by special agreement,47 while the remaining 36 were brought before the Court by means of unilateral application. ... European Journal of International Law Jurisdiction and Compliance in Recent Decisions of the International Court of Justice
the notion …is all in your head. Is absolutely false, Lisa Watson's comments are totally correct and proportional to the constant and sustained aggression directed towards the Islanders by Argentina.
Lisa Watson Retweeted this message a few days ago:
Uki Goñi @ukigoni · Mar 24
Uruguay putting legal marijuana on sale at one dollar a gram by mid-year. And... Weed won't pay VAT!
Keep calm Lisa!
Whenever you consume marijuana by either smoking it, vaporizing it, or eating it, you run the risk of taking in too much for your system. This can result in panic attacks, dizziness, nausea, and/or general paranoia which can be very scary and have even led some users to think that their living in the wrong country.
Enjoy this map meanwhile:
Troneas - there was an opportunity to discuss your claim in 1829. Buenos Aires declined. There was another opportunity to discuss your claim in 1832. Buenos Aires ignored that too. Your claim was heard in 1833 and 1834. Discussed. Rejected.
There is no need for repetition. The matter was settled in 1834.
Not to forget that Argentina, at the UN's request, had its claim heard again in 1967, 68, 69 and at every meeting until the invasion of 1982. It was rejected on each and every occasion. Settled again in 1982.
You've had your claim heard. You've had it discussed. That you do not like the result is not our problem. Argentina needs to grow up and recognise that this matter is settled.
So no, my dear Ms Watson, the notion that you'll be sent packing, or that you'll be forced to speak another language, or to change your religion, your currency, your hobbies or that Argentina will prevent you to catch squid overnight is all in your head.
You claim that, but if we cast our eyes back to 1982 when you managed to get your grubby hands on the Falklands for a short while, how many ways did you usurp the Falklander's lifestyle to be more Argentine? Driving on the opposite side of the road... Renaming everything in Spanish... Deporting anyone who was considered to be troublesome towards the Argentina government... Have I forgotten any others?
To paraphrase a line from a popular game franchise; Argentines... Argentines never change...
Lisa..Lisa playing the role of the victim again?
Lisa..listen...the UN recognition was quite clear: any extension doesn't include territories under dispute..... Do you understand?...It is quite clear !!..it's quite simple..easy to understand.
Actually, it is a matter of another country than yours.....the UN recognition is none your business.....be happy.
– someone who terrorizes you but then tearfully berates you for rejecting their advances.
Well said Lisa Watson!
The comments from posters 1, 3 and 8 just go to prove your point.
They say that they only want to 'sit down and talk', but of course that's just more Argentine bullshit - they have the possession of the Falklands in their constitution.
Now they reckon that they have got you 'surrounded'; well that just means that you have got them right where you want them!
You'll never know what argentina expects unless the UK sits down and does the right thing.
You made it perfectly clear what you expected of them when you invaded them. Fly this flag, play this anthem, drive on the right, don't protest or complain, do as we say. So if you feelings are hurt by the article then perhaps you stop behaving exactly as she describes.
And as for complaining about their military defence, how many times does it have to be pointed out that the only reason the UK military is there is to stop your country invading them AGAIN. There were a handful of marines there before 82 - did you feel threatened by them? Clearly not as you invaded. So now the UK has to station enough military their to deter another invasion - that is entirely your own country's fault. And yet you stomp your feet and cry like Lisa describes.
What an awesome article. So to the point.
Funny how few Argentineans got the actual point.
Funny but not surprising.
The world doesn't revolve around those shit covered rocks in the Atlantic....but the politics and psychology of Argentina do.
faulcuntbridge: if you or other cunt revolve around us , that is your business.REDROW: YOUR FANTASTOC IDEA IS FUNNY, did icj tell you that we will invade? even the brit military knows it, stop spewing propaganda dumb infantile shit.LISA : why we can go back to spain?? cause they mix with our natives as one nation , thast why we aren't colony as you are.a thing that uk never did, except killing the natural communities and raping them.
No, I believe it was your former Defence minister who indicated that if the British military left then Argentina would be likely to retake the islands. So no, no-one now expects you to invade - but only because the UK military are there.
The Anglo-Colonial mix of self-pity and haughtiness of this flaxen freckled lass always reminds me of the early seventies...:
Info for my Anglo stalkers...
Juppp... Time is now 0 dark hundred down here in Chubut... and judging by the dogs position..., pretty chilli outside...
Extremely well put, Lisa.
Nothing else needs to be said.
You have my backing 100%
Classic Lisa - well said! Think I will print it off and hand out to the 2000 tourists arriving today on the last cruise ship of the season.
Don't worry Lisa you are surrounded by nothing.
The Argjunta Airforce no longer exists,Navy 4 tugboats.
The never ending bull shit should be ignored,nothing changes.Argentina will never gain or has ever had Sovereignty over the Falklands.
Distinctly put Lisa.
The British around the world support you, including me living in northern New South Wales. I despise bullies almost as much as I despise cheats, the Argentinians are both.
Argentinians really need to grow up - they are like a unshaven, unwashed suitor who doesn't know when to quit - one who's advances are utterly rejected and needs an older brother to threaten him with a punch on the nose if he doesn't back off..........
18 Neanderthal knuckle dragger Think. Posting from Chubut??? Err… . no Dunoon. Desperate to prove he's not VoiceofThink! Residing comfortably in Scotland.
You fool no one Think, we know where you are. And now, all you Argie stalkers have been kicked solidly in the balls by a fiesty Falkland lass. Your nuts are red and exposed, protest away… she exposed you pathetic cowardly stalkers…
The UN body has not replied to the UK yet as to what if anything it was trying to do, however this is a first for Macri to have pressed the indoctrination button placed in the minds of the Argentine children at a very early age since they invented the Falkland problems in the 1940s.
All what the UN seems to have granted is rights over the Continental Shelf north of the Gulf of St. George.
However Argentina published a map with lies giving themselves sovereignty in Antarctica and around the Crown Territories, clearly NO NATION ON THE PLANET has sovereignty in Antarctica, so it is very disappointing to see this in Macri. By pressing the indoctrination button he has propelled all of his countrymen who only understand pictures in to the street waving flags as Galtieri and Cristina used to do.
If I was in your shoes.... I would use all that good paper and toner to inform them 2,000 Tourists about the plight of their Argentinean namesakes stranded in them windblown Islands and the correct treatment they are receiving from your local authorities...
Better still, you could ask your News Agency, MercoPress, to write some lines about this positive story...!
A very Patagonian thing to do.
I tip me hat...
MagnusMaster @1 - No, she means grow up.
Today my wife received a birthday card on the front of which were two cats, now my wife adores cats and we have three. On the birthday card one cat is saying to the other let's sit here and look cutesy and friendly and purry but as soon as they turn their backs I'll rip up the curtains and you can shit in the laundry. All in all a perfect allegory of the Argentine attitude towards the Falkland Islanders.
Its incredible. The usurpers, the violents, those who invade without asking permission, those who likes atacking unilaterally. Those that do not hear the UN. Those that have voted against decolonization in each voting. Those are calling us Stalkers.
Let me remind you miss Watson, that the Malvinas islands and the others nine territories under british colonialism that are listed as such in the UN are not in the process of decolonization by the grace of Argentina. They are still considered colonies by the UN thanks to the British and their intentions to keep being a colonial power Refusing to colaborate in the decolonization process.
Argentina is not a stalker. Argentina wants a dialogue just like the requested by the UN. The UN have even congratulated Argentina for its efforts to end the sovereignty dispute. The UK refuse to sit down refusing the existence of a dispute. So its like a thief accusing of stalker to the police and the victim for trying to recover the stolen belongings.
The United Nation General Assembly, the Decolonization Committe, The UN Commission on the limits on the continental shelf, do not supports the UK. Even your greatest ally, the USA do not consider the islands colonial government a legitimate government. The recognize a DE FACTO british government.
So you think Argentina is a stalker, but instead it is you that are deaf, blind, and hear what you want to hear.
Excellent article, as you would expect from an Islander who can think and make her own mind up.
Contrast that with the super-jibber-jabber idiots on here doing their best to disparage the facts in the article, Troneas especially and of course The Lunatic of Old Chew-Butt. What a scintillating intellect they don't have!
No, the trolling is the same old, the same old.
I would imagine that being a level headed person brought up on the Falklands if an argie 'stalker' tried it on person to person a swift kick in the groin would settle it.
Oh! Do argie stalkers have balls, I think not, certainly the pathetic creatures who whine on here. So plan 2 Lisa, a quick hand-slap around the side of the head will see him crying and running off waving the white cloth all argies 'in peril' carry.
Pathetic, the lot of them.
Stalkers? Then UN Member States are stalkers too, including the UK that did not vote AGAINST res 2065? The whole world is a stalker when it requests the peaceful solution of a sovereingty dispute that has been in place since 1833 aspiration? Who is the stalker then? Please come to terms with reality. Argentina has resorted to international law in this case too and the UN has acknowledged what it has been acknowledging for 50 years now. I may understand this Briton's feelings but her opinion is completely out of reality.
My goodness there were some early posters for this side of the Atlantic.
Well said Falklander!
Argys are like teenagers that have never grown up. If anyone has ever dealt with then in person or business you know what I am talking about.
Really terrible creatures.
The most pathetic of all Argi claims is this implanted population bullshit!Lisa has a 7th generation child FFS!
Just as strange are the common posts that go wind blown shit covered rocksnot all of Argentina can be this thick.
I agree with Mrs. Watson. And I am Argentinian.
The really funny thing about all this blather from Argentina is, assuming the UN has recommended recognition of the area north of 42 S lat, that Argentina now has ALL it is ever going to get LOL
Think on that Think
Respect to you Sir.
Yesterday a NPR jackass asked Mike Summers if he thought it peculiar that the UK had territory just off the coast of rg and so far from London.
Summers asked this liberal dumbass if he thought it strange that the US held Guam and Samoa.
Poor commie light never saw it coming.
including the UK that did not vote AGAINST res 2065
Of course the UK did not vote against it. The purpose of decolonisation is NOT to transfer a 'colony' to another colonial power like Argentina. It is to encourage INDEPENDENCE of a colony. (Try reading the C24 mandate that they ignore year after year i.e.With regard to the implementing of independence .
Also I have challenged Argentines before -as the resolution states that the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands(may I presume this means the people and not the wildlife and plant populations?) must be regarded. The UK, if the Islanders wish, ARE willing to grant the Islanders independence but Argentina want them as a colony. Therefore Argentina go against the resolution.
The British do listen to the INTERESTS of the Islanders, Argentina does not.
So, if you have actually read 2065, which you say the UK disregards, (I say it is Argentina that disregards 2065), I ask again,
WHAT EXACTLY do Argentina state that the interests of the Islanders are?
I say, it IS in the interests of the Islanders to run their own country through the FIG .
If Argentina had a hand in the running of the Islands, judging by your failure to manage your own country, the Falklands would be in a WORSE state than they are now, so how can Argentina running or even sharing the Islands be IN the interests of the population?
It clearly seems to be in Argentina's interest NOT to make Argentina successful.
It appears to be in Argentina's interests not to fully utilise it's resources, have at best unstable governments, and to generally turn what should be a successful country into one which is frankly a laughing stock, though hopefully Macri will improve the country.
Therefore how can you say it is AGAINST the Islanders interests to run their Islands?
How can you justify that it is not in the Islander's INTERESTS to have self determination.
Never mine randomly stating 2065-you needed to READ. WHAT. 2065 STATES.
Brilliant article -- thanks.
As an American (who has spent time in the Falkland Islands) I think about our centuries-old disagreement with Britain over what is now British Columbia, which almost led to war (54-40 or fight!) There were many more Americans in BC, and for a much longer time, than there ever were Argentines in the Falklands -- so by Argentina's standards the USA should be obsessed with 'recovering' British Columbia from the 'British Empire' and the 'transient population' of Canadians that has lived there for almost two centuries. It would be just that foolish.
It's the 90/90 phenomenon.
90% of the canuckistanians live within 90 miles of the US.
Why is that?
#32 Early Risers! This side of the Atlantic! Havent you twigged, these Argie Trolls all live in Europe, not the dark country. Tbe sage of Chew Butt and his Neanderthal sock puppet Voice are located in Dunoon in Scotland. Its very clear by Thinks posting times. Marcos, the Guardian parrot is in the UK, probably London, probably in the Embassy.
It is kinda funny how the actual extension to the territorial waters has almost nothing at all to do with what the Argentine Gov~ presented pictures of.
Indeed I think they got carried away and didnt realise the actual was so very different to the published to the brain-washed masses.
Which, I think, is another indication of the fantasy world that Argentines live within when it comes to the Falklands.. and as Lisa says, the reality of owning the Falklands would be a bitter disappoint to them.... for one think all of their Governments would need to create another sovereignty dispute to keep the masses entertained.. Chile again perhaps?
As to the native language in South America - Yes, Argentines DO think that the natural indigenous language is Spanish... they have no concept at all of their rampant hypocrisy and their own colonialism; they cant even admit it to themselves in private.
The Falklanders are, indeed, invaders in the South Atlantic because they dont speak Spanish.
And so very, very few of them can see the irony of that.
Nice squatter this pretend to be journalist. You call us squatter, we call you pirates/thief.
This article certainly seems to have struck a nerve amongst our Argentine friends. I wonder why? but then again perhaps I don't.
The RGs certainly don't like being shown up as bullies and stalkers by a lady. LOL! But she is correct, they do act like a load of naughty children who never seem to learn. And there is something distinctly unsavoury about many of them. Slimy, dishonest - what do they call it Vivenza Criola or something in jibber jabber? And so it goes on, its sad that Macri's crew seem to be just as brain damaged as the last lot.
Messy flaxen hair...
Defiant freckled face...
Childish, mischief searching personality...
Where did I ever saw such a character before...?
Jupppppppppppppppppppppppppppp, I remember now...!
You creep, you even manage to make my skin crawl.
You call us squatter
Give the land back to the Amerindians and return to Spain, then you won't be squatters then will you?
You are squatters, & liars, thieves & killers also.
What about the 30,000 of YOUR OWN PEOPLE that you killed in the 1970s.?
What about the land that you stole from Paraguay in 1871?
Do you really think that we want to be colonised by such despicable people like you?
Get real amigo.
You fool no one Think, we know where you are. And now, all you Argie stalkers have been kicked solidly in the balls by a fiesty Falkland lass. Your nuts are red and exposed, protest away… she exposed you pathetic cowardly stalkers…
Just one look at her mousy face and my balls shrivel!
Young Argies are told of British colonialism, stolen lands and piratical usurpation. Oooh those lying Argies. None of that ever happened.
You're entitled to a lot Lisa. However, as per your fellow invasive colonists in Gibraltar or the north of Ireland you're not entitled to a welcome reception.
You'll never have good relations with south America unless you change stance. Entirely your choice.
Nothing to what we call you.
I follow Lisa Watson in twitter and I support her , She try to answer all the questions & comments that some argentines ask to her. As argentine i rejected all arg bullyng comments to her, becuase of she has the patience to explain in a good manner falklanders position.
I absolutely disagree how UN manage this situation , instead of , to find diff ways as visited Falk Is to give the self determination, Exclusion maritime zone is controversial , but we can solve if we have a disputy at The Hague Int Court.
We lost a lot of time in this unprofitable disputy , while chineese vessel make a depredation in arg coast
My support to Lisa Watson again and i hope that she want to answer questions to those arg that we try to want that this disputy over
....and you will never get the Falklands no matter what stance you adopt. Blockade it, bully it or invade it...you have tried everything....nothing, no result! Argentina, despite my love for the country and my Argentine friends, have the diplomatic and political savviness of a brain damaged wombat. So so sad to see a grown up democracy behaving in such a churlish fashion.....
Well put. I am glad to see I´m not alone on that :)
And very well said also, we´ve being listening over and over about the ebil english pirates yahrrr while the ones stealing our resources are chinese vessels - and local corruption.
51 Well, in the last few months I have been in Chile and Peru and relations have been excellent. On both occasions I have come in contact with Argie climbers and walkers and guess what the locals said, don't trust that lot, don't lend them anything. Both lots subsequently demonstrated clearly why. I met up with British diplomats and their take on things that relations on trade, which is what matters most, were excellent. I understand this is also so in Columbia. Argentina appears to be the odd one out. Whilst other nations mouth platitudes to appease the Malvinista Argies, in practice relations with Britain are cordial and trade continues unencumbered. Count the quality British cars in Lima and Santiago, the airbuses flown by LAN and quality British clothing in the shops. The UK is the top destination for Chilean wine, plus a lot of fruit. No problems with significant SA trade. Whinge on…
@Liberato wrote : The usurpers, the violents, those who invade without asking permission, those who likes atacking unilaterally. Those that do not hear the UN.
Are you referring to Argentina in 1982 ?
as per your fellow invasive colonists
says the Spanish colonist of South America.
You are so indoctrinated that you cannot see your massive hypocrisy can you?
54 - Your choice. Theres lots of Argentina. And lots of mercosur. No urgency.
The cuts at the Biblioteca Nacional, once run by Jorge Luis Borges, were announced last Tuesday to “tears and cries of outrage”, according to a report in La Nacion, which said that staff had been phoned by authorities throughout the day to be given the news, which caused “fainting and nervous breakdowns”. They stem from new president Mauricio Macri’s government, which has already fired thousands of public sector workers as part of cost-cutting measures.
The ones who bombed and looted half the world pretend to five moral lessons, hahaha, be my guest.
Lisa you want to play the role of the victim in fron of the Western countries. You feel confortable with this role but, the real think is that, with the garrison afforded by the UK tax payers, you are safest than british people in London.
Nowadays, you are not paying a single pound for the garrison but, sooner or later, as everything in life (nothing is for free), you will have to pay the money back.
In addition, Lisa, you are being childish, angry and complainning becuase other country, that you chose as your enemy, got some benefits recognized by the international community.
It might be the time that you start acting as an adult...argentine issues are not your business...don't be nosy. Grow up !!!!
62. Lots of words but I don't see you disagreeing with anything she said.
I disagree with lot of the thing she wrote. I don't disagree with all the things she wrote but her attitude is pathetic.
I don't see islanders as squaters. They are, quite clear, honest people trying to make their lives in their land and they deserve respect but Lisa attitude is pathetic.
The comments from Think, Alejo, Troneas, etc., all prove Lisa's assertions are correct. The outright hostility and name calling, mixed in with statements of reassurance to the people of the Falklands if the islands were under Argentina sovereignty.
For me, as an islander, that is the most poignant message from Lisa's opinion piece. Argentines are hostile towards islanders (evidence in the posts above). We are belittled and insulted and the islands are ridiculed (windswept, etc.), but the craving Argentines have over these islands is so rooted in their psyche, it is a paradox.
We are told our wishes and culture will be respected if Argentina took over control of the Falklands, while at the same time completely neglecting our wishes not to be in that position! But they are so blind to it and will always be.
The hostility and ridicule will never end. Now or even if Argentina gets its way. Well will always be those 'Brits' living 8,000 miles away that should go 'home'. We are home.
Sorry to break it to you Argentines, but you and your future generations will be forever locked in your mythological paradox, where you hate the Falklands but at the same time crave them.
It is called freedom of speech, she is only saying what she sees as the truth. Why do you want the islands? No-one from Argentina has said why they want the islands, you can't just say because it is ours, you have to have proof. Please be good enough to post a link to prove your sovereingnty or just shut up.
Decades of bullying,military occupation,attempted blockade ,endless lies etc etc etc.
And some of the Argentine posters get all upset because one woman dares to fight back.
Who is pathetic ? Not Lisa!
#MagnusMaster you have done! :) ThanX
Pgerman, your comments are pathetic and consistent with everything this lady asserts. The more you Argentinian trolls say the worse you make yourselves look. Fortunately the Falkland Islanders are used to your constant intimidation and just brush it off.
Intimidation? Argentina has one of the smaller Defense Budget in LATAM. Has no planes, no warships and, almost, no army. How the hell can Argentina intimidate the Islanders?
I don't think we will be able to make business in benefit of both sides...not for the tim e b eing...I'm sorry
Don't be be sorry we don't care.Take your business and shove it were the sun never shines.
How the hell can Argentina intimidate the Islanders?
oddly enough, all of those Argentina has done and continues to do.
”We are belittled and insulted and the Islands are ridiculed (windswept, etc.)
You young Kelpers have really become some thin-skinned Prima Donnas, aren't you?
Insulted because I call them Islands Windswept...!!!
Look out of the window right now........ What do you see...???
Thin-skinned as that Watson lass....
... She started on Twitter some years ago... calling the Argentinean President a prostitute... and now she cries wolf because some Argie guy twitted her UR surrounded.”...
Get a grip...
You have bad memory, or you are quite young so you haven't seen, it but Argentina gave the FI plenty of services almost for free before the war. Gas, Oil, ER services even rhe airport was built with money of the argentine tax-payers....when most of the people in the UK didn't know about your islands.
Commercially? I'm sorry it seems that argentine people don't want to make business with you. This is their free decision. Accept that.
Politically? How? Is Argentina a stronger country than the UK? I would say just the contrary
Socially? You live in an siland geographically split from the continent. There are no social regular contact between Islanders and argentine people.
“How the hell can Argentina intimidate the Islanders? ”
oh, yeah, lest we forget... you also invaded the islands, and according to some of your military chiefs, if it werent for the stationed British forces there, you would so so again.
I know, I know, Argentines now say but that wasnt us, it was the nasty dictatorship, but I am fairly certain those folks were also Spanish Colonisers of South America spreading their love from your own population onto others.
Kind of easy for you to forget that invasion, its not convenient for anybody to remember it is it? If you are Argentine that is - you just wish it away as if it never happened.
But it did, and it was Argentines from Argentina in it, leading it and cheering it on.
So, you know, dont try to play the peace loving commune angle, because its bullshit and you know it.
OK - nice piece of writing Ms Watson. But I continue to be amazed at all the wasted energy involved in commenting herein. Nothing is going to happen. Nothing is going to happen because a) with the current level of defence capability in the Falklands, the Argentines could not compete if they wanted to. Nothing is going to happen because Macri is not remotely interested in pursuing this matter. He has much more important fish to fry and limited resources to do it with. He needs the international community and can't afford to piss them off. The territorial waters issue was not started by Macri. But with the loony Argentine public taught by the even loonier Kirchners that nothing is more important to Argentina than these Islands, Macri has to be careful. He has limited support in Argentina already and is in the process of giving his people some really bad tasting economic medicine. He doesn't want to piss them off either. He obviously can't reject the UN finding, so he says OK, and tries to down play it by indicating that it doesn't change anything where the Falkands are concerned.
So let it go. The less we see in the headlines about it the less putting out fires Macri has to do and the more he can concentrate on the big issues.
You have bad memory, or you are quite young so you haven't seen, it but Argentina gave the FI plenty of services almost for free before the war.
before the war?
Collective Argentine memory doesnt even recognise your started that war and invaded the islands.
And since you lost the war the Kirchner regime has been highly anti-Falklands, denying they have any rights, even under the UN Charter as well as going out of your way to persuade as many other countries in the world to deny Falklands vessels into their harbour as well as other social and economic blockade-style tactics.
Do NOT play the innocent... Argentina is guilty of so very, very, very many offences against the Falklands its almost unbelievable that you try to pretend you are friendly in any way shape or form.
And no, sunbeam, I remember the war very well.
I think this was really worth reading, we don't in my opinion get to hear much from the everyday people that live there and what they think about their predatory neighbour.
Well fear not Lisa, we are ahead of the curve now and have the most sophisticated weaponry on the planet. We would not need to send the fleet to defend your home any more. We can level Buenos Aires and destroy every military aircraft they own from a safe distance in the Atlantic. We also have stealth bombers that could be over Buenos Aires in less than two hours from St Helena.
In essence, all they have is their is their delusions and absolutely nothing to back it up, an impotent rapist. Laughable really :-)
Lisa, Ambar...have you read 78 comments?
have the most sophisticated weaponry on the planet. We would not need to send the fleet to defend your home any more. We can level Buenos Aires and destroy every military aircraft they own from a safe distance in the Atlantic. We also have stealth bombers that could be over Buenos Aires in less than two hours from St Helena.
Are you still afraid? Would you keep on playing the role of the victim?
THE SAME PERON THAT STARTED THE “MALVINAS” CLAIM …
September 11, 1973
A military coup in Chile overthrows President Allende. Peron describes the event as a tragedy for the continent, adding that the Pinochet regime represents interests that are known to us, referring to the United States.
September 19, 1973
Just ONE week after the coup, Peron's government recognizes the government of Augusto Pinochet, even before the United States does.
A task force, showing Argentina police ID, kidnaps in Joaquim Pires Cerveira, who had opposed the military coup in Brazil. Another Brazilian activist, Joao Batista Rita Pereda, is abducted in a similar operation. He is never seen again despite relatives’ efforts to negotiate with Peron himself.
January 22, 1974
Peron, addressing the country on television and radio, about the Montonero violence (the Montoneros were a left-wing Peronist organisation that murdered around one thousand five hundred people) states: I tell you the positions to confront violence with violence, we have more means possible to crush it, and do it AT ANY PRICE.
First week of April 1974
”In the first week of April (1974) an interview took place at the presidential residence of Olivos between Mr. Alvaro Puga, personal representative of President Pinochet, and Lieutenant General Peron, lasting about two and a half hours” (The Economist , 4/26/74).
The visit of the delegate of the Chilean junta was matched almost immediately by the trip to Santiago by the intelligence chief of the Argentine Army, General Carlos Dalla Tea, a future repressor during the dictatorship of Videla.
And we could describe similar dealings between Perón and the dictatorships of Uruguay and Bolivia ending in kidnappings and murders.
March 24, 2016
“Memory Day”. Peronists hold a mass rally, smashing up Mc Donald’s burger bars to cries of “Obama out” and blaming the United States for the 1976 military coup.
Can you trust people like that?
You need to listen to what she is saying. We don't want another war with Argentina but ultimately we are well prepared for it if it came to that. You have a vast and resource rich country, the islands are your governments perfect distraction.
Pgerman, you really are thick. Intimidation doesnt have to include weapons, it constant verbal intimidation and threats I am referring to. You refer to the Islanders as squatters after 7 generations! Idiots like slimy Neanderthal knuckle dragger Think would like to see them thrown out.
Fortunately British Forces threw you out when you invaded and tbey are there to prevent a repeat. Your present 'lets talk' stance is only as good as your government of the moment. It can change just like that. Argentina has a very poor record on that score. We are very happy to tell you all to soddy offy and thats an end to it. We wont be discussing any sort of shared sovereignty with Argentina ever. You can continue your stalking…
The islanders are not playing at being victims,they were victims in 82 and will never forget.
Incredible how some of the Argentine posters get all upset when a single islander fights back with nothing more than words.
Geezz...here we go again....really, Lisa?
As someone who has had a life - long interest in military aviation, could you tell the name of this stealth bomber in service with the RAF which could fly the 3,500 miles to B.A. in two hours. Also, at which UK airfield is it based ?
This would require an average speed of 1750 mph and a range of 8,000 miles. This far better than any US or Russian aircraft in service.
Surely the size of the airfield at St.Helena is too short at 6,000 feet.
The runways at our Tornado and Typhoon bases in the UK are nearer 8,000 feet.
Apparently Argentina's going to do this,
then she is going to do that,
then she might send in these or that
she owns it all now, so she will send in the coast guard and her navy to inforce her territory,
then she will inforce this with her air force and her soldiers,
oh and the subs, never forget the subs,
now Argentina has told us what she will or will not do,
all she has to do now, is take all this information and dreams down of the drawing board and put it into action,
and we wait, the world waits , the islanders wait,
we are all waiting,
I thought so, NOTHING..
@ Think (73)
I am using windswept as an example. It is windy here, but you use the term to demean the Falklands because you certainly don't mean it as anything else. But I see you ignore the point of my post and use it to call me 'thin-skinned' and instruct me to 'get a grip'. You are only illustrating my point Think. I guess I have to thank you!
I look out my window today and I see a calm and sunny Stanley harbour with a very large cruise ship sitting in Port William.
Always a pleasure Think!
You'll never know what argentina expects unless the UK sits down and does the right thing
they want a colony,
children is what they are,
(85) Clyde15...., you silly Scot ...
You just ruined Brutworker's perfect deception...
Geeee.... his threat of leveling Buenos Aires with those super duper bombers was almost as menacing ast that terrrrrrrrible tweet the Watson lass mentions in the above article...
The only point that i'm illustrating is that you..., young Kelpers..., are becoming the spoiled whining pawns of the British Geopolitical Colonial Ambitions in the South Atlantic....
Pleassure is all on my side, lad...
Argentina gave the FI plenty of services almost for free before the war. Gas, Oil, ER services even rhe airport was built with money of the argentine tax-payers....when most of the people in the UK didn't know about your islands.
Certainly, Pgerman@74. The idea, quietly shared by the British and Argentine governments, was that Ahvenanmaa could be a model for the future and that the Argentine government would be happy with symbolic ownerships and leave the Falklanders to govern themselves internally. Eventually the Falklanders would recognise that their fears of Argentine domination and compulsory Argentinisation were completely unjustified and would happily accept such a situation.
Unfortunately, unlike Finland, that was just what Argentine governments didn't want. What Argentine governments - military or civilian - wanted was the chance to push people around and show how tough they were and to get their cut from the public purse. The fears of the islanders turned out to be moderate compared with the reality of Argentine rule. The astonishing thing is that the Argentine government and the Argentine people seem still to be unable to tell that their methods of persuasion are completely counter-productive.
@85 & 89
BAE Taranis at Mach 1 3490 miles from St Helena to Buenos Aires.
Ok a little over 2 hours. 2x internal missile bays
You don't think they release these things to the press unless they already have an operational capability, I thought that was well understood, It is theoretical of course and would be dependant on an Argentine invasion at some point over the next 10 years, but entirely feasible.
Who would have thought you could get a Vulcan from the UK to the Falklands? You underestimate our capabilities, but then you are a Scot.
This article really seems to have wound up the Argentines knicker elastic. You can only assume it's because the arrogant Argentines and their 'machismo' are offended at being told off by a woman.
Darragh, yes! The Argies have been well and truly handbagged!
Indeed. Just like it hurts their macho pride that the Leader of the country that kicked their arses in 1982 was also a woman.
They truly are pathetic, whinging wimps.
Moan moan moan,
that's all they do.
Thankyou for your words re the stranded Arg sportsfolks here, not their fault they are stuck here and funds naturally running out with a weeks flight delay, and they are just normal human beings like us. So the least we can do for them - one day some of us might end up in similar straits and need a bit of a hand - and yes - from my experience if in Patagonia it would be provided in return.
Likewise a bit surprised Mercopress has not got onto it yet - a positive FI-Arg story would do no harm.
Some hardliners here of course who criticise the assistance - but then there are hardliners on both sides of course.
Always seen from her point of view...
It's like stalking a thief...outraged that they should be stalked for theft...
8 generations of complicity in theft...is that something to be proud of....
The Spanish and Portuguese legitimately conquered South America...no worse than the British in North America...
and everywhere really...
The island that Lisa inhabits was previously occupied by Argentina...Spain...France...but never occupied by Britain until after 1833....
Stalking...is her point of view....
Seeking justice would be another point of view....
Seeking justice would be another point of view....
The Malvinista view.
Well, my dear englishmen and women, you insist so much in the childish matter. But I personally prefer being childish than being an overly proud, arrogant english, even with all the crimes your country commited against humanity, you talk as if you are in a morally superior position.
The problem with arrogance is that it tends to fog good judgement, and in this case, by not negotiating your imperial majesties are digging their own grave.
As I always say, remember, no empire lasts forever. Times change, economy changes... We are the new world, you are the old. We got much to give, you already gave it all mates... It will come a time where we won´t have to keep asking anymore for your goodwill, and then you´ll have the same self determination you gave to Diego García islanders.
That sounds a bit threatening - better give the islands to us now or we will take them by force, later.
You just proved Lisa's point.
A few days ago
“The Argentines are childish stalkers who menace us Falkland Islanders”
A few years ago
The newspaper made headlines internationally in 2012 when it appeared to call the Argentine President, Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, a bitch; Penguin News's online site had an image of Kirchner with a default file name as bitch.jpg. Editor Lisa Watson blamed the incident on a colleague with dry humour.
What is she crying about now?
Maybe the following news...
Falkland Islands in Argentinian waters, United Nations rules
The ownership of natural resources found in the islands' waters could now be under threat”
Gawd Marcos, you are late to the game... Again!
Already shown to be a non-story, even Think has bailed on that one.
Very funny private Photo Editor labels CFK a bitch vs 10 years of unrelenting, co-ordinated political attack by Arg. Government's Foreign Office at the UN and in the media.
As Think says, you must be very thin-skinned.
Or you have some unhealthy childish obsession with CFK that is warping your judgement... further.
Yawn, too little and too late.
You must be the dimmest Arg. Troll on MP
Argentina can't take the Falklands or even make the attempt that's the whole point of MPA don't even think about it.
Argentina has a small defence budget because it cant trust its military not to turn the guns on its own people. Start goosestepping and torturing people.
Not occupied by Britain until after 1833!
Not to good on history are you! Another product of Argentine education or is it propaganda?
Somewhat better than your reading skills...
What an idiot¡
Actually we first occupied them in 1766 Voice - before Spain, and before Argentina attempted to steal them in 1829.
There was no formal British colony there until 1841.
Ok that's two...I was expecting a few more suckers...
Now read carefully and tell me I'm wrong....
The thing is, the Argentine people really do live in a stalker-like fantasy land when it comes to the Falkland Islands –
Lisa Watson, editor of the Penguin News, has really stirred the Malvinas Muppets up.
The truth hurts, and the poor deluded Argies and their sycophantic supporters can’t handle it!
Reading this article I could have written it myself with regards the same sovereignty dispute and stupid tactics and arguments over Gibraltar with the spaniards. Indeed stalkers and political rapists.
It would not surprise me if this designation was probably suggested to Argentina by Spain, as they have done a similar thing in Gibraltar waters under the EU Site of Community Interest Habitats Directive!
What happened was that Spain made a FALSE REPRESENTATION at the European Court by not “ticking the box” to state that the waters they were claiming overlapped British Gibraltar Territorial Waters (already acknowledged as British by the EU for years under the UNCLOS!!!).
Spain duped the European court, and the EU has not yet overturned the LIE and such a serious matter since 2009, with the resultant many incursions into BGTW in recent years.
UK and Gib governments challenged the anomaly in court but was dismissed on a “technicality” with a spanish judge and magistrate on the panel!!! The only technicality is that the spanish LIED and the EU is doing nothing to penalise spain!
It does not change the sovereignty of Gib waters under the UNCLOS, but that has not stopped the spaniards from saying the waters are spanish as they idiotically do incessantly.
The UK HAS asked the EU to infract spain but the EU does not want to get involved in a “bilateral” sovereignty dispute, when it is the EU that has messed things up making it now a “TRILATERAL” dispute - idiots!!!!
No Habitats Directive can override UNCLOS.
In fact what the spaniards have achieved is for the European Union to be in breach of the UNCLOS!!!
Lukedig - you are quite quite ridiculous - maybe its time to stop posting and take a nap.
I laugh at these tough talking Argies turds. Because that is what you are, a turd that just won't flush; with your nonsense claim, empty threats and insults.
When you stop this constant tough guy latino posturing maybe you will realise the British are not people to pick a fight with, and that constantly bad mouthing the islanders and the UK pushes you farther away from your goal at every step.
Grow up. seriously, grow the f**k up.
The underachieving Clown of Dunoon...
'The island that Lisa inhabits was previously occupied by Argentina...Spain...France...but never occupied by Britain until after 1833....'
You are right Voice, East Falkland was never officially occupied by the UK until after 1833, but it is all your irrelevant smoke and mirrors again Voice. Trying to trip people up with childish games, just to score a few points.....Argentina, in relation to your comment did not occupy the island she lives on until 1982....so what is your point? Just proves they have less of a claim than GB and the Islanders.
Where is your poodle to come and help you, here boy , here boy.....
I was wondering where Think was? Handbagging seems to have done the trick perfectly. Perhaps he's taken that Gourock cruise? Throw him another bone…
Argentina...Spain...France...but never occupied by Britain until after 1833....
Voice - you are wrong
These argies and spaniards utter nothing but rubbish. They are frustrated despots and dictators who know they don’t have a leg to stand on and all they can do is rant, rave and make threats like the jihadists. The Falklands and Gibraltar will be BRITISH for as long as citizens democratically choose to be so.
However my one gripe with the Falklanders is that you beat us Gibraltarians by about 1% in your referendum to remain BRITISH!!!!!
Loed Ton...in what way am I wrong....are you trying to say Britain occupied East Falkland before France then Spain then Argentina...?
There's always at least a couple of suckers that take the bait...
Being a conscript in 82, my first thought, when we were woken up and being told us the great Patriotic act, was: Why on earth we want these Islands?. All the soldiers around me were cheering like children. Celebrate a war? Even today I cant understand this kind of behaviour.
Anyway I felt alone then, and still feel the same now if I want to talk about this issue. Here you cant not even dare to analize the history facts if you first dont accept that they took us in 1833 and we are right. Some say: but the constitution says it.
I just only want to say to you, that you are quite right, and I agree with you.
you tittle tattle !!
Marcos Alejandro !!
hear ! hear !
tyro commentator !!
Ah - the island that Lisa inhabits
Do you know where she lives?
Assuming that it's East falkland - occupied by Britain as of January, 1833. Not after
Aren't semantics wonderful? LOL
She works at Penguin...ergo she must live on East Falkland...or does she travel every day...
Speaking of semantics...let me quote you @107...
There was no formal British colony there until 1841.
1841 you say...is that after 1833.....?
Aren't semantics wonderful?....;-))))))
Extremely well said Lisa.... We are all behind you .... And you are spot on about the Argentines... A bunch of Pillocks in their attitudes about anything other than Argentina... As my Scottish colleague says we came from afar to kick ass in '82 ... Now we are present and Buenos Aires is well within range... Bring it on Argentina and see where it gets you!!!
PS ... You still look great ; )
The Neanderthal knuckle dragger of Dunoon is back. Same old, same old, yaaaawn…
For the Feeble minded -
The Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf (CLCS) has no jurisdiction over the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands.
The UN itself has acknowledged that the CLCS could not and did not consider claims relating to the Falkland Islands within the Argentine submission.
The UK Government remains in no doubt over the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands, nor of the right of the islanders to determine their own future.
Formal British Colony - is not the same as occupied Voice
Britain occupied the West Falklands in 1766. Britain occupied East Falkland in 1833. Creating a formal colony is something else completely.
Yes, they are - but in this case, we are talking about legal definitions & concepts.
Grow up Voice
....'Aren't semantics wonderful? LOL'
@118 Roger, don't confuse poor old Voicey with big words.....
I should have added that ergo is just a flash way of making an assumption. The yanks have a saying about assumptions. That they are the mother of all f*ck ups
Just waiting for the Clown of Dunoons poodle to turn up and take the heat of him....
We should hold a referendum here in Argentina:
I took the liberty to write the questions:
”Select one option
1 (_) The malvinas are argentinian - we keep ranting and acting like fools
2 (_) The falklands are british - we grow up for once
3 (_) argentina should be part of the falklands islands, and managed by them, for at least 100 years. Then we check if we are adult enough to manage our own business as such”
I pick option 3 :D
Britain “occupied” the West Falklands in 1766
No they didn't, they occupied Saunders Island not West Falkland...stick to the facts...
Or is that one of your assumptions...?
Groan… can we discuss the weather instead of this irrelavent tedium?
How about living neanderthal discovered alive in Glasgow?
Grasping at straws and splitting hairs.
A long way from being surrounded not to long ago.
(128) Mr. Voice
Voice trying to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.
Just admit Voice, that you were wrong in your initial statement, to remind you, you said 'after 1833'. Roger pointed out that was an error even though you insisted that you were not wrong.
What next? Are you going to try the 'I have a better monitor than you' line of deflection, that seems to be your apparent face saving 'ace up your sleeve'
Give it a rest and grow up you pathetic little man.
@ 127 SebaSvtz
While I can see that option 3) would be very attractive to Argentines what on Earth would attract the Falkland's to participate?
Mass lobotomies perhaps? :o)
About 4 positive Argentine posters in the comments above,it's noticeable that the other Argentine posters never seem to refer to them.
It must be difficult to take this view with all the bad felling.
They get complete respect from me.
As usual, my dear english readers never answer the crimes against humanity part, you just still insist on the stop bugging us part.
Well, we bug you because we live on a hippie trend right now, about peaceful solution and that sort of crap, like peaceful solutions are something the english like to do. Just take a look at the middle east to take a good example.
And yet, here on Argentina people are illusioned with the shared sovereignty crap, or the independent territory crap... Too much doves down here, and too much hawks up there in the north.
Eventually, these dumb toughts might go away, specially if we can get more people here to see your smug brit comments.
Wonder which race the Anglo Turnips in here are..., based on their nicknames....
Always something like...:
Kukris..., Jack Bauer's..., Conquerors...., MK8 Torpedos.... etc...
Never somehing like...:
Trains number 204, 216, 31... or even a Tavistock Square Bus...
99 LukeDig (#)
Well, my dear englishmen and women, you insist so much in the “childish” matter.
But I personally prefer being childish
What is that chap Think on about? Nicknames, we dont use nicknames? And what about his nickname? He seems to have a thing for Voice, are they lovers, or do they live in sin?
@135..Peaceful solution.....they have a peaceful solution, it's called self determination..
What you mean by peaceful solution is that you take control over a territory that doesn't want you. You only want discussions and negotiations as long as you get sovereignty and everything else. Please tell all of us what your 'peaceful solution' entails and how that would be in the best interests of the Island population.
Voice - Your response was too obvious. Now we call it Saunders Island but the maps back then placed it as part of West Falkland.
Britain in the west, Spain in the east. The accord of 1771, which was still operative in 1811 when Spain only claimed one island (generally accepted as including all islands on the eastern side of the streight).
As I said, grow up.
Your response was also childish Think - senility setting in?
(140) Mr. Lorton
The one thing that's obvious here is that Mr Voice sets your haughtiness in perspective...
That makes me smile :-)))
BITCH, oh my mistake to ms Watson. Now she is the poor thing, the victim here of the argentine stalkers.
Ahh, perspective - there are so many.
That of Voice is difficult to discern. Frustrated Scot? At least you have your feet on the ground you are trying to defend. Your perspective is clear.
Just to save further exchanges about who considered, or did not, that Saunders Island was a part of West Falkland, I shall leave this Spanish order from February 7th, 1771.
“It being agreed between the King and his Britannic Majesty, ... that the Great Malouine, called by the English Falkland, should be immediately replaced in the precise situation in which it was before it was evacuated by them on the 10th June last year; I signify to you, by the King’s order, that, as soon as the person commissioned by the Court of London, shall present himself to
you with this, you order the delivery of the Port de la Cruzada or Egmont, and its fort and dependencies, to be effected, as also of all the artillery, ammunition and effects, that were found there, belonging to his Britannic Majesty and his subjects, according to the inventories signed by George Farmer and William Maltby, Esqs., on the 11th July of the said year, at the time of their quitting the same,.. and that, as soon as the one and the other shall be effected with the due formalities, you cause to retire immediately the officer and other subjects of the
King which may be there. ...”
Great Malouine, of course, being West Falkland.
Hasta luego old man :-)
143 Lord Ton
Let me correct your misquote...
At the island commonly called the Great Malouine, and by the English Falkland's Island
It appears that you are the only one that is saying that it refers to West Falkland...
Shall I just take your word for it....?
Or shall I complete the passage and put it into perspective...
The Prince de Maserano declares at the same time, in the name of his king the master, that the engagement of his said Catholic Majesty, to restore to his Britannic Majesty the possession of the fort and port called Egmont, cannot, nor ought, anywise to affect the question of the prior right of sovereignty of the Malouine Islands, otherwise called Falklands Islands. In witness whereof...etc...
Nowhere does it say West Falkland...
It refer to the Island singular... where the Fort and Port was situated....that would be Saunders Island...
Unless you have some other proof....?
James Marshall, these peaceful solutions the argentine populace believes in... Consist in sustaining the legal status quo forever for the Malvinas, while the sovereignty becomes argentinian, meaning the inhabitants would still decide everything for themselves (even their own laws and constitution just like the other argentinian states, who also have their constitutions and individual laws).
The other alternative is called shared sovereignty and it would mean that the territory also retains its status quo, but it becomes legally part of both countries... The hope behind that dumb idea is that any economic exploitation costs would be shared by both countries, including the profits, specially the offshore oil matter, and maybe Antartica´s natural resources in the distant future...something like a joint-venture.
Here in Argentina there is no shortage of morons who actually believe the english would accept any of these two deals if we have good relations with both islanders and their masters. The morons are, actually, quite the majority, since, as always, they are both ignorant and optimistic, and know nothing of english culture or politics. However, they are insistent on the matter.
(144) Mr. Voice
Voice - wrong quote. I am quoting the order given by Spain to its man at Soledad, not from the accord from January 1771.
Try to get it right - sucker
Why do you Argies always say english ( English ) rather than British, do you not accept that N Ireland, Scotland and Wales are part of GREAT BRITAIN? And anyway none of your two solutions wil work as the FALKLANDERS themselves after gaining self-determination do want to remain a BOT.
(147) Mr. Lorton
Your posts (143) & (147) are perfect examples of the extremes you will go to try to make history fit into your Anglo biased needs...
In the above example you firstly disregard the text of the declaration signed and delivered to the British by the Gracious Spanish Prince of Maserano on the 22/01/1771 ...
You then ignore the text of the acceptance of said Declaration by the very British Earl of Rochford on the same day....
Instead..., you focus all your biased attention on a fawlty redacted, posteriorly written order by an ignote priest to some windblown outpost at the end of the world...
Try to get it right - laddie...
Cartoons Think? Dementia is a terrible thing now, so I shall not mock you.
Hardly my fault if Voice doesn't know his arse from his elbow. Does he think there is only one document to quote? Perhaps Voice should read more - even the now discredited Goebel produces rather more than one document.
I suggest you both try to learn something - start at the top and work down perhaps - https://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/chapter-pdfs/
1770/71 is one of my favourite periods.
What is Scottish for turnip Think?
Enjoy your cartoons :-)))
@145....But your constitution only allows for complete takeover of sovereignty, so shared is not acceptable to your government.
Why should the Islanders have to share anything with you as part of a peaceful solution, the only side that is stopping a peaceful solution is Argentina. The UK is happy for the Islanders to decide their future, in whatever form that may take. Just like they did with Scotland recently. It is Argentina that cannot accept anything other than sovereignty.
If you are not willing to listen to the people that live on and own the islands, then argue that stealing their homes and land against their wishes is acceptable as a 'peaceful solution', you are sadly morally corrupt in your aspirations.
Why is it that all the 'peaceful solutions' have to end up with Argentina getting sovereignty? In the 90's you had an acceptable 'peaceful solution' with the islands, that was torn up by the the Kirchners, because you wanted everything.
When you mature as a people and nation, maybe you will see that improving building your existing nation is far more rewarding than coveting someone else's.
Ho ho Think posting from Scotland again. Has he no Voice? King of the pointless argument (one he can never win).
Think - our posts crossed, but hey, you want Masserano, I'll give you Masserano:
“His Britannick Majesty having complained of the violence which was committed on the 10th of June, 1770, at the island commonly called Great Malouine, and by the English Falkland's Island, in obliging, by force, the commander and subjects of his Britannik Majesty to evacuate the port by them called Egmont; ...”
Whoops, there's that Great Malouine again. :-)
And to denigrate a Real Orden is simply too ......... viveza criolla
Now, to remind you two turnips of the original point I made - which was that Saunders Island was not considered separate from West Falkland in the 1770's, it only leaves me to say - Game, set and match.
And for you, Think, an Argentine, to accuse me of writing a biased history is way too funny. Compared to Argentina's revisionist historians of the 1930's and 40's, I am pure amateur.
Thought you knew better than to challenge me on the facts of history Think.
Neither quote gives any indication the Great Malouine refers to West Falkland...
It clearly refers to the island that the fort and port were situated...
That would be....Saunders Island or whatever Saunders Island was called...
Show me a document that refers to the Great Malouine as West Falkland...
Where is your proof...?
Don't tell me that it's an....assumption....is it...?
Oh dear it sounds like a mother of all assumptions...;-)))))
Best you can do Voice? I suggest you do some research on Great Malouine. Start with Google.
Nothing but a Scottish turnip. Go learn.
Give me the link if you have one...
Surely you have one...?
Link? Now why should everything have a link? You have revealed yourself as a fool with this desperate post.
Research takes more than the internet, although even you should be able to work your way from Great Maloine to Gran Malvina to West Falkland. A child could do it.
Want a link” Try this - when you have absorbed it, you'll still know less than me LOL
You waste my time Voice. Think wouldn't have been so foolish.
(150) Mr. Lorton (#)
In another thread you say..., about your blogsite Malvinastimeline...:
22,542 visitors todate Think and 65,743 views suggest my blog site is rather more credible than your view old 'un.”
1) Are you fishing for visitors 22,543 & 44?
2) Are those Unique Visitors ...? If so, not all that bad for such a marginal niche..., written with such an evident bias...
3) Does your visitor counter discern between real visitors, bots, hackers et al...? If not, you can immediately detract ~50% from those 22,542..., boy.
4) In this humble Patagonian opinion... you have two distinct posibilities with that blog of yours...:
... A) Mantain its Status Quo by...:
a) Creating bigger, badder, more epic biased content.
b) Exploring new avenues of promotion within the Falklandist community.
c) Building greater authority within the aforementioned Falklandist community.
... B) Easily decuplicate its visitors amount by...:
a) Creating bigger, badder, more epic truthful content.
b) Explore new avenues of promotion within the World's community.
c) Build greater authority within the aforementioned World's community by means of controlling your all for evident bias..
The choice is yours..., laddie
1) I'm always fishing for visitors
2) Unique? There is a remote possibility that the same fella went back 22,000 times
3) Nice try, I believe it does
4) You are neither humble or Patagonian Think. As for the blog's future, it will be taken over by the pdf which is being downloaded (as chapters) at a steady rate. It will get bigger - indeed, this year, I aim to spend 4 months at Kew, that's the trouble with history - there's just so much of it. The Islanders have a copy in their Library, as does the FCO and the FIA but I cannot see much growth there. More importantly, the visitor figures are from around the world. UK, USA and Argentina primarily, but a ready sprinkling of other countries.
You are biased Think - indeed, so is history itself. My timeline gives facts. I provide very few opinions in the footnotes. Argentina cannot beat facts - try as it might.
The matter, in any case, already settled.
Dream on, old man :-)
(159) Mr. Lorton
1) I mostly fish after Fontinals.thes days... much more fun... and tasty...
2) Yes Unique, meaning...: One visitor visiting 100 times = One visitor...
3) You shouldn't believe, lad... You should Know”...
4) Humble Patagonian I am, indeed... As for the future of your blog... My suggestions were about the quality of its content, not its physical form...
We are all biased laddie... But your timeline provides strongly doctored FACTS serving no other than the British Colonial Ambitions over 12,000,000 square kms of South Atlantic and AntarcTic territory...
Doctored FACTS ...clearly refuted in this newly published ACADEMIC
Vincit Omnia Veritas, young man...
My goodness that's some early posting from (cough) Chubut.
1) Your private life is your own
2) It was 22,000 unique visitors - prove me wrong
3) I do know - it's the way we talk in English
4) The quality is unquestionable. All proven.
Britain has no colonial ambitions in the South Atlantic and Antarctic - there is no need, we already own territory there.
Nothing doctored Think - just facts. As for Kohen's book, he's already had to admit to one misquote I pointed out - which must really have annoyed him. Kohen gives the usual long-winded, tortured, explanations to make black = white. Nobody is fooled - except perhaps ols Patagonians :-)
He'll be getting a response. He won't like it. I've already debunked all of Rodriguez's arguments on Twitter. Somehow I doubt the book will be a problem.
It is Argentina that has attempted to doctor history Think. Only last week the Times talked about the trespassing garrison from BA. Where do you think they got that from LOL
Dream on old man, dream on.
(162) Mr. Lorton
1) Thank you.... So its yours
2) Don't get defensive, lad... I was just asking if you knew...
3) Very expensivo Visitor Counter you have...!... Remember the brand? ;-)
4) The quality is more than questionable. Too much Anglo bias...
Carry on lad, carry on...
James Marshall dont talk about morally corrupt, or about self determination, considering your nation´s history with Diego García, with Scotland and Ireland, with India, with China... Need I to go on?
I agree our politicians ruined the opportunity on the 90´s, however, there cannot be self determination on an implanted populace no matter how long they have been because there has always been a dispute about that land.
Secondly, there is territorial continuity (these islands are on our continental plataform and national seas!) a concept invented by the english and much used in their arbiting of different international conflicts.
Why do we need to care about the desire of the descendants of some colonists, that are only being used by the english as an excuse to steal oil (whose money you islanders will never see) and to steal land in Antarctica when the time comes (whose natural resources money you islanders will NEVER see).
That crap about theres people living there is widely used by Israel, it just bulldozes houses with arabs inside, and then settles sionist zealots armed to the teeth in these places... Then goes to the UN saying theres people living there, they have right to self determination.
That barrage of hipocrisy is the one we see at Diego García, we saw historically at Scotland, Ireland, and even at Gibraltar. English imperialism at its finest.
Wonder why you did not defend self determination at Hong Kong... Defeding it there would mean your butts swiftly kicked.
Hypocrisy? How did Spain take over the Rio de la Plata? How did Argentina steal Patagonia. There's a lot of hypocrisy in the world LukeDig.
People in glass houses, etc, etc>
Self-determination, on the other hand is a human right worth fighting for. Took the UK a long time to accept it. The UK does now accept it. The UN accepts it.
The matter is settled. The islanders have the right of SD. They get to decide. Not Argentina, not the UK.
Sounds like the right result.
And we did defend the right of self-determination in the New Territories of Hong Kong. In fact we gave up Hong Kong Island to defend the best deal we could get.
Lukedig is about 45 years out of date and patently unable to read and understand historical facts. HK was a lease, we had to honour it which we did. Scotland WTF, Scotland was saved from bankruptcy by Union hundreds of years ago and Northern Irelands situation is determined by self determinations. The Chagos Islanders were contract workers who have been compensated for having to move. These are facts.
As far as The FI are concerned, the Islanders determine what happens, not Argentinian colonialist invaders. You lost laddie.
(164) Sr. LukeDig
As another born and bred Argie I respectfully allow myself to comment on a central point of yours above...:
”Why do we need to care about the desire of the descendants of some colonists, that are only being used by the english as an excuse to steal oil (whose money you islanders will never see) and to steal land in Antarctica...”
Because those individual Anglos squatting in Malvinas are human beings...
Because all human beings,including squatters, do have some inherent human rights...
Because of the above, we Argies have the obligation to care about the INTERESTS and well being of those Engrish squatters in Malvinas...
That..., of course..., has nothing to do with sovereignity over the Malvinas nor any other South Atlantic territory currently under British military occupation...
comes (whose natural resources money you islanders will NEVER see).
@164...It's 2016 Luke Dig, you can drag up history as far back as you want, still does not trump Self Determination.
Why did you bring up Diego Garcia for example, if you think the UK were in the wrong , then you have to side with the Falkland Islanders, if you agree that the UK did the right thing, then you are 50 years behind the thinking, I for one think they should be allowed back if it is possible for them to survive and flourish. So what is your point? Where do you stand? The Uk were morally wrong to remove the people from Diego Garcia.
Please provide evidence that the Falkland Islanders do not have the same rights to self determination as other people. Are you saying that Jamaica or Sao Tome and Principe do not have the right to self determination. Both are implanted populations. the majority of SA are descendants of colonists. Are you 100% indigenous Amerindian?
How many homes did the Falklanders destroy to claim their land, how many people did they kill.....
Your rant just shows your lack of perspective, intellect and education...if you cannot tell the difference between the situation in Israel and The Falklands, you do not deserve to be heard.
You also blindly use Scotland as an example of British Imperialism, do you know who formed the union and why? You do know who had a referendum last year, don't you? Your ignorance is quite staggering...
Notice there's not Chubut on the signature line.
I guess the farce is finally over.
169 Stink the Neanderthal knuckle dragger of Dunoon has been outed, in fact he outed himself. Sock puppet and all. With a face like that he belongs in Bravehearts Army. Braveheart eventually lost too..
Oh yes I know how Scotland become part of the union, it´s a very well documented history, that can actually be resumed in your song to the Queen:
And the rebellious scots crush, really nice song chaps.
As far as im concerned, Scotland became part of the union through a long process of killing, assasinations, repression, transplanting noble families away, and destroying scotish culture as much as possible. I do not know what dirty game, I should read it I reckon, the english used on Ireland, but I doubt you just seduced them with your natural good looks and your friendly government.
About the differences between Israel and the Malvinas, there can be some differences about facts, but the argument is the same, implanting population to use it as an excuse. Self determination of course they want to remain english, THEY ARE english, their race, their culture is english... They came from england... The argument falls apart by itself, with that excuse, the colonization of the Han ethnia in China by destroying other cultures is OK, because the Han deserve self determination. The zionists deserve self determination and the palestinian refugees cannot return.
With your very same argument, if in the future Argentina can take over the islands by force, we can put people to live there, have them shag a couple of generations, and then say we respect the self determination of our colonists descendants and that england should grow up, mature and stop bugging us.
Call my ignorance staggering, but the far past is determinant of the present. Scotland may have voted to stay on the union on economic matters mainly, but you cannot deny that Scotland was submitted by brutal, unrelenting and long termed force. I will now give you the older version, when it was God save the King instead of the queen:
Lord, grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
May he sedition hush and like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush.
God save the King
I read LukDig posts and it is clear to me that Argentinians have been brainwashed their whole lives.
Its akin to what must happen in North Korea.
Nobody in their right mind can really think this nonsense.
The whole country is full of brainwashed boobs that are barely qualified to wait tables or pump gas.
May I complement you on your command of the English language.
May I also give my appreciation for your very compelling explanation of how all the world's ills are due to the English. Quite a list, too bad you could only skim over the list lightly and allocate only a dusting of sarcasm to each.
I like your summation that uses Scotland as an example to encapsulate the English domination of other cultures and peoples.
I expect that is why you have had to study hard to perfect English, the dominant language of the planet.
Oh, how that inherent irony must hurt you.
I am sure we all feel very privileged that you have taken on yet another persona, one dedicated to laying out all the ills visited upon others by the English.
What a catalogue of injustices, and clearly defined righteous indignation.
It is hardly surprising that you can so easily rationalise Argentine injustice against others.
World Aquanaut Security Patrol (WASP)
Marineville, somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean
Please tell us invaders why the population of Argentina speak Castellano ( a bastardisation of Spanish ) and Brazil speaks Portuguese. Was Spanish and Portuguese the language spoken by the indigeneous indians in South America? We were colonising countries long before the Spanish and Portuguese started, but how far do you want to go back in history. Diego Garcia residents were sent to Mauritius who were paid a sum of money to re-home them but kept the money. Incidently there is no safe drinking water on Diego Garcia
Ignorant fake Stingray puppet at (173)
EVERYBODY knows that Marineville is on the PACIFIC coast of the US of A...
What a TURNIP!
Again, how far back do you want to go......we are in 2016, the act of the Union was 1707 I recall, so all this gibberish you think is relevant is what, 400-500 and more years old.
What were your Spanish forefathers (the implants) doing at that time to the natives in SA?
'..THEY ARE english, their race, their culture is english... They came from england... The argument falls apart by itself, with that excuse,....'
Again you show your ignorance, what were the nationalities of the population in 1833, it is in your national archives, go look it up. You also seem not to know the difference between English and British and a British Overseas Territory. You need to research more, rather than rely on your indoctrinated high school education.
Argentina is a nation of implants, so surely they shouldn't be able to have rights to self determination. I see you ignored my question on Diego Garcia and Jamaica etc, is that because it doesn't help you twisted logic. Where is the proof that the Falklands are not entitled to Self Determination? (your opinions are not considered facts, although you obviously think they are)
Poster Troy Tempest has been finally ousted...
Doesn't even know where his base is...
He's an Argie living in Chubut...
Its now quite clear that Lukedig is actually another Neanderthal knuckle dragger sock puppet of VoiceofThink. The Scotch rant gives it away. Bahahaha what a bunch of losers! Life in Dunoon with that Fish bar and the Combined Services must be such fun. Yet another fail by Think!
They multiply like the cockroaches they are.
and here I was thinking you would seize the opportunity to comment on the term WASP...
Got anything relevant to say??
Yes... more deflection....
you cannot deny that Scotland was submitted by brutal, unrelenting and long termed force. WELL I DO.
Up to the Union of the Crowns there had been, ding-dong battles between both countries to neither's advantage. As has been pointed out, the Darien scheme bankrupted Scotland compounded by England's refusal to allow any shipping or aid between the colony and their colonies in America
At the end of the 17th century England was still troubled by France's ambitions. One of their fears was that France would declare war on England and that Scotland would join in on their side. The failure of Darien gave them an opportunity to tie Scotland into a Union and quash French ambition.
If you look at the monetary deal it was to compensate Scotland for taking over a share of their portion of the inherited English National debt at the Union.
No one is saying that this was not to Scotland's advantage but it was not an altruistic gesture by the English parliament.
Anyway, that was 300 years ago !
You really don't understand the context in which the National anthem was written.
It was against rebellious Scots, i.e. Jacobites - not the population.
The verse you quote was written after the Jacobite rising in 1745 - most of Scotland was in favour of the Jacobites being crushed as they did not want a papish monarch. There was another verse in circulation which could be construed as anti-Scots presbyterians - the bulk of the population.
God bless the prince, I pray,
God bless the prince, I pray,
Charlie I mean;
That Scotland we may see
Freed from vile Presbyt'ry,
Both George and his Feckie,
Ever so, Amen.
You may have a command of the English language, but cannot grasp the relationship between the people of this island. It's all black and white to you when it has at least 50 shades of grey !----nothing to do with the trashy book of the same name.
Post (151)..., lads and lasses is a typical Lowlander's shade of grey....
Most probably from a Cameron or even a Campbell...(spit to the side)
Trashier than the film of the sams name...
Un Jailander por adopción...
So chameleon Think is trying to divide the Scots now!
There is no end to the man.
Crafty Think, do you know your ass from your elbow?
Your reign has gone on long enough, you require some swift Russian justice, to put you out of your misery & stop you causing anymore trouble.
(183) Chėre Isolde
Here's how that flaxen freckled Watson lass would describe your above post....:
................A British squatterette woman wrote to me the message...: Your reign has gone on long enough, you require some swift Russian justice, to put you out of your misery & stop you causing anymore trouble.”
When I pointed out that her message was menacing..., but that I'm used to being threatened..., she pleaded: “But Think dahling, we Kelpers love you!
Jupppppppp..., the Poms and Kelpers are indeed childish stalkers who menace us Argentineans...
Just been watching Alien. Reminds me of something slimy and revolting Think.
(185)... Yet another example of Poms and Kelpers that are childish stalkers who menace and dehumanize us Argentineans...
you cannot deny that Scotland was submitted by brutal, unrelenting and long termed force. WELL I DO.
You do... do you...?
Whose side are you on...?
Have you never heard of Butcher Cumberland...have you never heard of Wades roads and their purpose, have you never heard of the Highland clearances...?
Professor Houston said that the brutish way in which Cumberland went about dismantling Highland culture by disarming the clans, banning the wearing of Highland dress, suppressing certain surnames and the use of the Gaelic language amounted to an early example of ethnic cleansing. He said Cumberland destroyed the social nexus of the clan that was at the heart of Highland society.
In 1746, Cumberland, the Scottish Whigs, and the Hanoverian nobility engaged on a campaign of rape, murder and forced assimilation to destroy the culture of Highland Scotland.”
Shame on you Clyde ...you may now live in the Lowlands...but you were technically born in the Highlands...A Highlander...no less....
Stop acting like a fanatically Presbyterian Lowlander...or Sassanach...
Or.... even worst... a Campbell....
@171 With your very same argument, if in the future Argentina can take over the islands by force, we can put people to live there, have them shag a couple of generations, and then say we respect the self determination of our colonists descendants and that england should “grow up”, “mature” and “stop bugging” us.
That is exactly why Argentina rejects self-determination on Malvinas... it boils down to might is right.
Never trust a Campbell...;-)))
Great Argyle he goes before,
He makes his cannons and guns to roar,
Wi' sound o' trumpet, pipe and drum,
The Campbells are comin Oho, Oho!
The Campbells are comin, Oho! Oho!
The Campbells are comin, Oho! Oho!
The Campbells are comin to bonnie Lochleven,
The Campbells are comin, Oho! Oho!
The Campbells they are a' in arms,
Their loyal faith and truth to show,
Wi' banners rattling in the wind,
The Campbells are comin Oho, Oho!
(190) Mr. Voice
... I once considered, following the good example of Compton Mackenzie, to train me dogs to attack at the command:Campbells!
I desisted cos me best mate was married to one :-(
Isn't it past most puppets bed time?
It's the back of one....what's it to you Fred...?
You're not me Mum...
ThinkVoice the pantomime horse, is talking to himself again.
Mercopenguin has finally hit rock bottom. They are now syndicating articles from 'Penguin News', a news letter produced for the few British residents of the Malvinas. What the British do not understand is that propaganda, in order to be effective, must be credible. Mercopenguin fails in that requirement. I cannot understand how the British can justify the use of the tax payers' dime for the production of this rubbish.
As illustrated by this article its all about hereditary for the Europeans. This is why European culture is so foreign to Americans. And this is one more reason why the US should no longer subsidize Europe.
I thank 181 Clyde15 (#) and Think and Voice for all the colourful comments, it makes the experience of reading the comments section a nice trip.
Regarding english language, and culture, as Nietzsche said you can only love, or hate, someone you despised... It means you can only truly feel these deep sentiments if you know rather deeply the subject... It does not bug me at all to know your language or your culture, its part of humanity after all, and everything enriches the human soul.
The faults and merits of anglosaxon culture are lessons worth to learn, as is with iberoamerican culture, a culture far more rich and far less known, even in its own countries, with the little optimistic minority of intellectuals who have the habit of studying to enrich themselves, rather to spend their time taking duck faced selfies and invading other peoples islands.
This thread has really deteriorated now.
Nothing more than a puppet show.. .
Sob, sob, wahhh
Well according to the pantomime horse VoiceofThink they are a Cameron - http://www.ewancameronarchitects.com/Practice.html . By the look of the face they emanate from the Neandethal branch? Can we believe a word they say? As for the latest manifestation, sounds like another Argie racist out of the Think mould.
Whose side are you on...? I am on the side of reason.
By your reasoning Scotland and the Highlands are synonymous. You are assuming that all of Scotland was being destroyed by the evil English when the facts show that the bulk of the Scottish population agreed with the policies.
Are you living in some form of Brigadoon land ?
You seem to think that the whole of Scotland was subjugated by England. What happened in the Highlands was a disgrace BUT the bulk of the Scottish population in the lowlands and borders were quite happy to see the Highlands tamed. It was the very clan chiefs who later claimed the lands as their own and made money by clearing the land of people.
Some of the worst atrocities after Culloden were perpetrated by Scots regiments such as the Royal Scots Fusiliers. As to the clearances, the land factors who carried out this with zeal, were Scots.
My ancestors were probably involved in the Jacobite uprisings but that is ancient history. They probably fought against the Romans, Angles, Saxons and God knows who else. That really does not affect me in the year 2016.
I live happily along with the English, Irish, Welsh and other inhabitants of this small island. Yesterday I was in Hexham, in Northumberland, full of inhabitants
whose ancestors had good reason to hate the Scots. No problem with them on a personal basis.
So, let's confine the past to history and get on living in the present.
One way would be to get back on topic.
Clyde, Voice isnt Scotch..
196.iberoamerican culture, a culture far more rich and far less known, even in its own countries, with the little optimistic minority of intellectuals who have the habit of studying to enrich themselves
Clearly you're not one of them.
Dumb 3rd worlder that can't make it out of his own corrupted society.
Seein eveileverywhere outside of his culture and only the good of his culture
One thing I know for sure we don't have filthy dead eyed children begging in traffic in our streets.
That says it all.
Sad and lonely nearing the end of its life with nothing to show for it.
The puppets of Think.
Excellent and informative post.
With all the hateful half-truths and outright lies from some posters, I don't know how you retain your composure at times, Clyde.
Thank you for some historical perspective.
195 Hepatia (#)
Mercopenguin has finally hit rock bottom since they let me on..
[ quite agree old chap ]
trying to divide us is Very Unwise.
you argies achieve nothing, because you have nothing,
and never will have anything, until you learn to live in the modern world and grow up,
and stop being greedy.
Clyde is the real Scotsman here, and you can see how he feels about the UK.
ThinkVoice etc are disembodied Scots imposters who seek to divide the UK and the Commonwealth.
Looks like all the self abuse tuckered ol' think out yesterday.
VoiceofThink is just like Marcos inLondon, an undesirable carbuncle living the high life on benefits in Dunoon. Fush and chups in a newspaper from the Fish Bar, Bingo at the Combined Services and bracing walks on the loch front (stepping carefully over the doggie do do's). The advice is sod off back to Argentina.
So Lucifer says my society is corrupt, well, maybe, english culture is corrupt too, and moreover, violent and festering with bigotry. Nothing to be proud of pal.
I haven´t seen any kids begging in the traffic, but I heard that if you go after certain hours in London some drunkards are prone to beat people for free. Also, the hooligans are known for their peaceful demonstrations around the world. England is an example of tolerance, I mean, any black, asian or weirdo can strut anywhere without dying for the first ten seconds.
208 Thank you, you just clearly demonstrated that you know absolutely nothing about Britain. As for weirdos, we invented them and we are proud of it.
You haven't seen any kids begging in the traffic?
Do you drive with your eyes closed?
Of course you can, you're an Argentine.
They keep telling everyone just how great they are! lol.
(200) As you said at (181)..., Lowlander Clyde15..., Alba's history is composed of many Shades of Grey...
You choose to like one in particular The Cameron Shade of Grey...
... The one that, without any respect for others, implicitly condones and even applauds each and every genocide committed in this World by any given dominant society...
You are, of course, entitled to your opinions....but, I can't but wonder....:
If you feel that way about your own Scotland...
Why on Earth are you here, pasionately defending the ”Self-Determination (sic)” and human rights of a bunch of Anglo squatters in the South Atlantic?
Brainwash...? Anglo haughtiness...? Guilt...? Or plain human inconsistency?
211. Argentines and other undereducated cretins often misunderstand the term self determination.
Luk is clearly lying, Every traffic light in every city/town in Argentina will have someone begging at it, mostly children. The hordes of zombie garbage pickers is also ubiquitous to that vile BA. Sometimes a lucky 4 or 5 year old will find a chicken that's not quite gone bad yet. Not quite.
211 Think is a Scotch expert, of course he is as a resident there spongeing off the British taxpayer.
As for Brainwash Think's score 10/10. Him and his Neanderthal sock puppet constantly prove it.
As for Genocide, Argies are the experts. Have another look at that 100 Peso note! And then of course there are the disappeared - same result, different reason… Hypocrites!
Funny the rabid Marxists on this board all seem to be supported by the State.
Except not their State
Someone else's State
The hardworking taxpayers of the contry that they emigrated to in the 70s
and yet they've learned nothing in 40 years
It is really quite sad
that the Falcons didn't get them 40 yrs ago.
As I already knew...
Cameron and Macri, birds of a feather flock together...
Rest assured me Kelper mates... Your destiny is in honest hands...
Never been able to tell my Father what to do financial and he has not been dead for five years.
Wouldn't put it past any politician to avoid tax.
Think deflection - Fail!
The Argies clearly remain childish stalkers of the Falkland Islanders.
We are looking to welcome whisky soaked Think quite soon. Should make quite a blaze!
The Cameron shade of grey.....explain. Which Cameron, Lochiel OR the PM
AS to one of your many pejorative terms, lowlander you live in a mythical Celtic twilight.
If you live in the Highlands, Central Belt, Borders, Outer Isles , Orkney or Shetland, you are Scottish. The populations have been mixed for centuries sopure blooded does not apply.
You make the arrogant assertion - one of your many condescending traits -that the Falkland Islanders are squatters. That presupposes the Arg. myth that the land belongs to Argentina. Why do I defend them, why not. I don't like bullies and Argentina fits that description to a T.
As to the continual harping on about Scotland, why ? You tell us that you are a first generation immigrant with Scandinavian roots.
Is your own heritage so poor that you have to borrow speech patterns that would suit a parody of Harry Lauder and harp on about your perception of Scottish history rather than your own culture.
To me there are two alternatives, you are either what you say you are and someone is feeding you crap OR you have adopted a troll identity and are somewhere else.
(218) Lowlander Clyde15
1) What I wanted and should have written was...:
***The Clan Campbell shade of grey.....***
(Forget about Richard and his Cameronians... Thats another story...)
2) Indeed I am a pure blooded first generation Argentinean with an ancient Scandinavian heritage with deep rooted interest in the multiple Touristic Treasures Alba could offer...
But don't worry though... This humble Patagonian is mostly interested in your Fly fishing waters nowadays....
3) Third (and right) alternative would be that I am what I say I am... and nobody is feeding me crap...
Every one of Think's persona's and characters, are caricatures and stereotypes - many of them outdated.
DoveOverDover is a great example.
1 generation can't really be called anything but a transplant since they didn't even make it through the next generation before cowardly fleeing for their life and spending the next generation as another transplant in another country.
Sounds like both generations have chosen to flee instead of stand their ground for what they believe in.
Oh yeah, we understand self determination, just like english understand Diego García aborigins self determination.
We just don´t respect the self determination of colonists. Imperial times are over, wake up Mr Beans.
222. Tell us then, what is Self Determination?
WHEN THERE ARE NOT ARGUMENTS.
It's well known that for a matter of dignity, it's impossible to have a debate with somebody who underestimates you, in fact, in just a few opportunities i could have interesting conversations with some people in mercopress, despite the deep ideological differences we have, but there was a mutual respect, however, most of the people here have always underestimated me for being pro kirchnerist, that's the reason why i never waste my time with that sort of social scum, and i think that Watson should do the same with all those reactionary people who recommend her to go back to the U. K., anyway she is not less pathetic than them, when she says that we live in a fantasy world, in relation to our claim for the islands.
When i see such a low level of debate in the social nets, i realise that i have made such a great work with my investigations, instead of repeating the argentine official propaganda, the problem is that when there are no arguments, the only one thing that mediocre people can do, is to insutl or to underestimate all those citizens who don't think like them.
In those conversations, i always mentioned that the case has strong and weak points for both parts, and i said what both parts omit too.
On the other hand, our claim for the Malvinas, is not a national caprice, as some imbeciles have always said, beside, the same hypocrites who usually express that the argentine government threats the islanders, are the same ones who have never accepted to have any dialogue with Argentina since the return to democracy in 1983, for the sovereignty, which is the main problem. Nobody is asking them to leave the islands, or to renounce to their british nationality, or to renounce to their wish of remaining under british government, we are just asking a fair solution for both parts, like it was going to happen in 1974, unveiled by C. F. K. in 2012 before the U. N., which was based on a shared sovereignty.
Come on..., MacriPress...
Lots of News about North Pole Ice..., Northern Europe Germany's Hans Dietrich departure... and United States od Northamerica's unemployment statistics on this South Atlantic News Agency... but NOTHING about the Panama Papers story, directly involving Mauricio Macri and David Cameron...?
We all know that you are all GOPhers... but there are limits...!!!
I believe that you do understand self determination, you just want to pretend that it doesn't exist.
What you don't understand is Diego Garcia.
There have NEVER been 'aboriginals' on Diego Garcia. NEVER. Why? Well if you could bother yourself to look on google maps you would see that Diego Garcia has NO fresh water sources. No human settlement could survive there for more than a few days without IMPORTING fresh water from Mauritius. So no aboriginal people at all.
The people that were 'imported' FROM Mauritius, were employed to work on the plantations by the plantation owners. Not one of them ever owned so much as a blade of grass on Diego Garcia, let alone the houses that the plantation owners built for them to live in.
So when the UK bought Diego Garcia from the previous owners the workers were resettle back to their country of origin...Mauritius. And they were compensated handsomely for it too.
The Falkland Islands aren't the same thing at all. The people who colonised the Falklands back in 1826(ish) claimed and owned the land that they worked on. After an altercation in late 1832/early 1833 where a bunch of murderous military louts from the United Provinces of the River Plate illegally tried to set up a military penal colony, and ended up mutinying, murdering their captain, raping his wife in front of her children, and then ran amok putting the lives of the CIVILIAN population at risk, the original settlers agreed to voluntarily remain behind under British sovereignty.
Now this 'altercation' that lasted less than 6 weeks is what Argentina bases it's sovereignty claims on. Which is why you won't take your 'case' to the ICJ. You know that you would be laughed out of court.
The civilian population, who were there BEFORE any troops from the UP turned up, and their descendants are the ONLY native (or aboriginal) inhabitants the Falklands have ever known.
Now don't you feel silly?
Anglo Turnip at (226)
I have posted this before to you, but you seem a little forgetfull
The rest of your post..., the usual turnipidity...
224 axel arg (#)
WHEN THERE ARE NOT ARGUMENTS
unless you know where CFK is hiding.
Think....The fresh water lenses are susceptible to human and natural contamination and therefore you cannot guarantee a clean and sustainable fresh water source. That is the main stumbling block to the islanders returning. It would require a lot more research to see how to best extract and maintain the water levels as you could not rely on rain to replenish the lenses with a larger population.
So although there is the chance to utilise the fresh water lenses it is not sufficient without significant infrastructure (drainage/foul water etc) to maintain a permanent population.
LEP's post although basic in explanation is fundamentally correct, you are just being pedantic.
SELECTIVE Reading from Anglo Turnip at (229)
Further down on the very same article...:
On Diego Garcia today, the military base uses over 100 shallow horizontal wells to produce over 560,000 litres per day from the Cantonment lens on the northwest arm of the island—sufficient water for western-style usage for a population of 3,500. It is estimated that this 3.7 km2 lens holds 19 million m3 of fresh water and has an average daily recharge from rainfall of over 10,000 m3, of which 40% remains in the lens and 60% is lost through evapotranspiration.
Hereby a quasi fresh article that comes close to the truth about Diego Garcia...:
lts admirable, Think that you want to stand up for the rights of the people, formally from D.G.
Why don't you do the same for your own aboriginal peoples from Patagonia?
You, Think, would support ANYONE if it furthers your ridiculous malvinista cause.
You most definitely need to educate yourself as most of what you spout on here is utter rubbish.
You can rave on about Diego Garcia (or anything else for that matter) ALLLLLLLLLL day but it won't make a blind bit difference of the fact, that the Falklands DO NOT belong to Argentina, NEVER have & NEVER will.
Even if your anti-British claptrap was true, you STILL will not get your thieving paws on these lslands.
Cry, moan, complain,whinge & whine all that you like.
lts hugely entertaining to us & your neighbours.
Sorry to hurt your feelings babykins....... but...
Them Islands belong to us...
At your service...
@230....Actually in depth reading Think. Wikipedia just gives a resume (missing some vital points), remember anyone can edit Wikipedia .
As I said more resarch and infrastructure is required if the option of fresh water resupply is removed with the US Airforce....
Page 929...Conclusion Hydrogeology of Diego Garcia, from the Geology and Hydrogeology of Carbonate Islands....not my words, but and expert...
Don't educate yourself, your more fun the way you are.....
Anglo Turnip at (233) says...:
more resarch and infrastructure is required if the option of fresh water resupply is removed with the US Airforce....
Are the Yanks taking the rain back home to Alabama?
Or... do you Think they will drop a little H bomb on that atoll as you Anglos used to do a fev years ago?
@234...So, you are not going to attempt to argue further with your Wikipedia knowledge. Instead you provide a witless comment in order to deflect from you lack of knowledge and the fact you were proven wrong.
I will try and make it easier for you to understand, I know you and Voice have trouble linking the dots...If there is a drought or saline/chemical/human contamination, the US can ship in drinking water or use reverse osmosis pumps to provide potable water. If/when the US disappear, that option may not be open to Islanders.
If you engaged your brain, rather than trying to pick holes and find fault in everything others post, you might not look so stupid.
But please carry on coming back at me, you make it so easy....
No what he's saying that if the Yanks leave they'll be taking all their technology back with them.
Oh poor Think. Always wrong.
The water gathered in the fresh water lenses still has to be supplemented by imported fresh water.
How would a civilian population be able to afford it? I mean the plantations were abandoned because they were unprofitable.
Are you going to pay for a bunch of people to live there? Of course you wouldn't. And if the UK handed Diego Garcia to these Mauritians the UK wouldn't be under any obligation to pay anything either.
As I said in my post above there have never been an indigenous population on Diego Garcia because there is insufficient fresh water sources to guarantee its survival.
The people who erroneously claim to be indigenous where imported workers (implanted if you prefer). They never held title to the islands. That was the plantation owners. They never owned the houses that were built for them to live in. That was the plantation owners. They never owned so much as a blade of grass.
They were removed for their own good. They could never have survived on their own, and quite frankly why should anyone pay for them to live in such an inhospitable place? They were returned to their country of origin...a bit like you returning to your country of origin Think, whenever being 'Argentine' becomes too inconvenient for you.
It must be nice to be 1st generation Argentine. Knowing that you can drop your embarrassing Argentine nationality at the drop of a hat.
But no matter how much you throw insults, and how much you avoid the facts, the truth is that the US military built the lenses. The US military import extra water because even a storm can contaminate the lenses with sea water...so they're not reliable as your only source of water, and when the US military leaves they will take ALL of their equipment with them or destroy it.
That's their usual MO. Never leave anything behind.
It seems DG is a pretty strategic location.
I don't think the USA is going anywhere
Don't feed the Troll
He's just baiting you
Plus its close to his bedtime. Its still cold and dark in Scotland this time of year.
Anglo Turnip at (236)
The little paragraph on Diego Garcia's Fresh Water Supply is throughly documented by no less than eight (8) references to scientifical publications on Diego Garcia atoll, specialized books about the Diego Garcia atoll and technical documents about the Diego Garcia Atoll...
Try to click on those little blue numbers        and  on the article... They are called LINKS TO REFERENCES...
WHAT A TURNIP!!!
Don't try to pretend you're educated and then reference wiki.
That's embarrassing even for you.
Go to bed.
Diego Garcia: Britain's Rare Tropical Posting
When it comes to military postings around the world, one of rarest and most sought after is in the middle of the Indian Ocean
The UK bought the Chagos Islands, which includes Diego Garcia, in 1965 for £3 million to create the British Indian Ocean Territory (BIOT).
226 No, I do not feel silly because the facts you talk about were quite different in the british press, they do talk about aboriginals, they also talk about executing the inhabitants pets, threats, beatings, and many other things.
So it seems we need to start giving links here. I will get mine if I get the time...
Anyone who gets all of their 'evidence' from Wikipedia really is scrapping the bottom of the barrel.
Unlike you, Think, I know someone who served on Diego Garcia back in 2001. After 9/11 they became a very important location for the bombing of Afghanistan. Extra personnel were brought in, extra aircrew, extra technicians and mechanics, even submarines and their crews docked there prior to disappearing under the waves again.
During this time the US had to up it's importation of water because there was insufficient supplies on the islands.
The fresh water available isn't enough to sustain a large population or more than a few hundred forever. All it takes is one big storm to contaminate the lenses. So no fresh water. So it is unsuitable and unaffordable to sustain a human population indefinitely. So these people who claim Diego Garcia is theirs would probably be dead in a few weeks.
Also I know that standard operating procedure for the Yanks whenever they leave anywhere is to take all of their equipment back with them, or if that isn't feasible then they destroy it. That can include any buildings or structures hat they have built.
But the fresh water lenses alone don't produce sufficient water regularly to sustain a human population. Hence why the original owners of the islands sold up and left. It was too costly to import water.
Oh and the fact that you resort to name calling really does make my case.
The workers on Diego Garcia accepted compensation money. Even the European Court of Human rights has said that this case is closed. Basically by accepting the compensation money and waiving the right to bring their case before a UK court.
In other words at the time they agreed to it all. End of.
@238...And for all your Wiki knowledge and references, the point you seem not to understand is that, to maintain a sustainable and continued supply of fresh potable water for a returning population of Islanders, there needs to be significant research and infrastructure development to ensure this. It is not a present, a viable option in to let these people return without a guaranteed potable water supply.
Understand now Think, no amount of references to the Islands fresh water supply change the fact that the ground water is highly susceptible to saline/human contamination from drought and extraction. Fresh water is not the same as potable water.
Can you imagine the 'field day' people like you and Luke Dig would have if these people were allowed back on the islands, to then not have a sufficient supply of drinking water.....
What has a remote Indian Ocean atoll got to do with childish Argentinian stalkers? Ah, I see, another of their lost causes.
Good 'ol clutching-at-straws Think.
Although his compatriots are not much better.
Shot down again & again til hes punch drunk.
Are they all like you in Argentina, Think?
How on earth does the country even function?
Just pointing out the Brainwash of the Anglo posters in here...
Completely denying the existence of fresh water in the Chagos Islands...!
It is just an ample proven fact that the Diego Garcia Atoll is blessesd with enough fresh potable water to sustain a little bunch of Tarzans and Good Man Friday's...
As hundreds of other Atolls on the Pacific Ocean do...
You...,me Chėre Isolde..., as a former Squaterette on many Pacific Islands should be perfectly aware of that fact... ;-)
Your link, el Think, makes it pretty damn clear that the fresh water on DG is exceptionally susceptible to misuse, over-use and contamination, and requires expert monitoring and management to remain usable.
Pretty sure that will exclude any and all Man Fridays and Tarzans... especially as that water comes from 100+ maintained wells... but who would maintain them eh?
As usual you quote, you link, but you either dont read, or cant comprehend.... easy answers for those with shallow eyes perhaps, but nothing substantial for those who actually can think, Think.
Think thinking, whatever next....
And yet another Turnipy Anglo City Slicker....
The Maldivians, the Negritos, the Melanesians, the Polinesians the Micronesians and a lot of other brownish Tarzanesians types, as the Brutish government so lovingly calls them, have survived, lived and thrived on those corall atolls for Millenia...
Just until now... where some Anglo Turnips at MercoPress, after being confronted with the facts..., backpedal violently from their own government brainwash, and suddenly decide that the Chagossians only deserve the best...:
”Perrier Quality Water or nothing...!!!
WHAT A SAD BUNCH OF ANGLO TURNIPS :-(((
Yet Diego Garcia was uninhabited for Millennia....., wonder why Think....
Oh sorry, I get it, Think is using the Argentine logic, where the only the facts that agree with your argument are allowed all other facts that do not agree are ignored. Selective Factual Blindness....
Think, the gift that keeps on giving....
Think doesn't like that I called the Argys brainwashed.
That's why it unsuccessfully tries so hard to use it in every post.
Think rarely understands the links it posts.
Another headline reader that doesn't bother with all the silly words in the article.
Well that is the problem with being a first generation Argentine, he inherited his parents (ancient scandinavian heritage) logic and reasoning, then got sucker punched by his Argentine Education. Deep down in his psyche there is a european trying to break out....
I don't knwo anyone who could at the most lived in a country 20 yrs and their family were immigrants has the gall to call itself an Argentina?
The timeline and attitude would suggest a good National Socialist fleeing after WW2 and then getting snagged by the Military Junta for being a Marxist Terrorist.
Makes sense huh?
Anglo Turnip at (250) says...:
Yet Diego Garcia was uninhabited for Millennia.....
As were the Seychelles.... or Santa Helena... or even the Malvinas...
Wonder why..........? Not for lack of drinking water or food, that's for sure...
Pathetic haughty Anglo Turnips...
We are not talking about those Islands Think, that is just you clutching at straws/distracting, trying to salvage something from nothing...
So no further proof then Think.... can't you discredit what I posted about the problems with contamination during drought years....you are just going to blindly carry on with your argument that has been soundly and factually disproved in the link I posted earlier, here it is again for you, read it this time....
That's it Think, keep on giving....
Anglo Turnip at (255) says...:
”We are not talking about those Islands (Malvinas n. a.) Think,
Well.... Yes..., we are...
Just look at the title of this article...:
The Kelpers are childish stalkers who squat on our Malvinas. Argentinas...”
So that would be a resounding 'no' from you then Think.....
Come on deflect a bit more, try and salvage something, don't give up so easily.
No, Think you got it the wrong way round. Are you suffering from dementia or just a Pelotudo of giant proprtions?
The wrong way?...
The Malvinas Argentina are being squattered by childish Kelper stalkers...
@259 Mr 'I don't' Think
Why don't you take your case to the ICJ and PROVE that the Falkland Islanders are squatting?
Since you're only a 1st generation Argentine you must also be a squatter because the Falkland Islanders can trace their ancestry back on the Falkland Islands to BEFORE your crap country even existed.
So why don't you put your money where your mouth is? I mean wouldn't it be another 'nail in the coffin' if the ICJ ruled in your favour?
Of course you'll need more than fairy tales, altered maps, rewritten history and insults to impress the judges at the ICJ.
But of course you won't go there, and like the cowards you are you try and intimidate the Falklanders into submission. Only it doesn't work because the UK are just waiting to give you a good shoeing if you try.
Hence why your foreign ministers and presidents have been embarrassing themselves and Argentina on the world stage because the British have the audacity to defend the Falklands with 1,200 military personnel, 4 aircraft, short range missiles, and occasional RN patrol ship, and of course Death Stars (snigger).
You're a joke. Your country is a joke. Everyone laughs at you.
And there is nothing Argentina can say or do that will force the British to abandon the Falklanders to the brutality of the savage Argentine peasant, such as yourself.
Some Turnip asks why I don't put me money where me mouth is...
Well... Actually..., I just did, early this morning on this thread...:
Anyhow... me money on the first to fall will be that svín Sigmundur...
................................................................................. Hopefully Mauricio next...
That Islandsk svín Sigmundur just went an hour or so ago...
Hopefully Mauricio is next...
Think is Happy...
Changing the subject is a sure fire way of saying you've lost the argument, but are too arrogant to admit it.
Poor, poor Think. Always losing, always a loser.
The Argentines are childish stalkers who menace us Falkland Islanders
And we all agree ..
Think is a moron
Morons are often happy
When do you think Argentina will take their, ahem, case to the ICJ, Think?
l mean, if the whole world supports you, as you say & you have right on your side, (snigger), & you have proof that these lslands belong to Argentina, then it should be a walkover for your silly country. ist es so nicht?
Your present course of lies & attempted intimidation will not work, Think.
You can also stop hoping for a miracle.
No-one is going to force us to hand these lslands over to you or your greasy compatriots.
l guess your country does serve a purpose though.
lt keeps us from being too complacent.
Yes because the ICJ is totally an impartial tribunal (irony).
Also, if they favored Argentina, the kelpers would absolutely pack their crap and leave.
The ICJ is a totally impartial tribunal. You only believe it isn't because it hasn't sided with Argentina in the past. That doesn't make it biased it just proves Argentina's case is built on lies.
Oh and since the ICJ would have to break international law to 'favour' Argentina in regards to the Falklands that would truly make it biased wouldn't it? Which is why it won't ever 'side' with Argentina. You see you need EVIDENCE in order to back up your claims. Now the UK and the Falkland Islanders have EVIDENCE in spades, and they have international law on their side. Argentina has lies, more lies, and a few lies just to be sure. None of which you can back up with EVIDENCE. Not even your own National Archives backs up Argentina's 'version' of events.
Argentina won't take it's 'case' to the ICJ because you all know that you haven't got a case, not from an historic, legal or moral viewpoint.
But if the ICJ suddenly decided to forgo the UN Charter in a fit of madness the UK can just take a leaf out of Argentina's book and ignore the ruling.
Of course that would never happen, just like Argentina will never take it's 'case' to court.
Why, LukeDig? Because the malvinas myth is far too useful to your politicians to distract deluded fools, such as yourself, whilst they fill their offshore bank accounts with Argentina's wealth, thus ensuring that you remain poor, stupid and easily controllable for the rest of your life.
And people like you are such idiots that you fall for it every single time. Every single time! Your stupidity knows no bounds.
LukeDig knows not.
ICJ has many structural problems, regarding its financing, its promoting policies, its judge rotation, that has come under scrutiny many times in the past.
The most important one is that ITS JUDGES ARE ELECTED MAINLY BY THE SECURITY COUNCIL.
WANT US TO GO TO TRIAL WITH A JUDGE ELECTED BY UK, US...AND ITS NATO ALLIES? Funny way of talking about impartial...
Here you go:
The ICJ Rules of Court: Are They Democratic?
Do the rules of the ICJ make it an unbiased forum for international law? Not if you look at the way that judges are elected to the ICJ: through a vote in the United Nations, with special weight to the Security Council. Taken at face value, this could seem fair, but it actually isn’t. The United States, United Kingdom, and France are permanent members of the Security Council, which gives three of the most powerful NATO nations a lot of power. Also, the Netherlands and Canada are members of the Security Council. This amount of power for NATO countries gives them the ability to heavily influence the outcome of an election of judges to the ICJ. Also, the permanent members of the Security Council have veto powers for admission of a state into the council, so the NATO powers in the council could keep progressive nations out. This presents more opportunities for them to get more votes for their candidates in the ICJ. If there was a candidate that they don’t want, their votes and influence could make that candidate lose. Or, if there was a candidate whom they wanted, their influence could get the person elected to a seat in the ICJ.
The rest of your arguments about evidence, morality, and all these things...Are irrelevant. You english gave Chile half of our Tierra del Fuego province on the basis of territorial continuity. It´s time to apply it to our continental shelf.
Tough, LukeDig, thats the way it is.
Hurts when you can't get your own way, doesn't it?
Get used to it as you will NEVER get your thieving hands on the Falklands.
Just trying to help.
269. Tough being a 3rd worlder who thinks they're human.
ICJ has come under scrutiny many times in the past…biased forum It has come under scrutiny apparently once, by nationalistic Serbian apologists. Now there's an objective unbiased opinion if ever there was one.
The decision in Nicaragua vs. the United States of America undercuts Pione's argument.
You insist that for over 200 years, Britain has pushed you around.
Ever since you became a country 160 years ago, you tell us Britain has dominated your affairs and forced you to war with your neighbours, surrender your gold and enter into unfavourable business deals against your will. Finally, in '82 they kicked your asses.
Not much of a country, are you?
At least, my dear Troy, you finally admitted that the ICJ is worthless as impartial. That´s good enough for me.
We may have had it rough, but you cannot annihilate us, so we will insist for as long as it takes to get our land back.
If someday there is a truly impartial tribunal (there is one on the build actually at the UN, but USA and the rest of NATO are trying to undermine it to protect Israel) we will be the first ones to ask the english to sit by it. And of course, they will say that they won´t.
We may have had it rough, but you cannot annihilate us, so we will insist for as long as it takes to get our land back.
Again with the back. You cannot get back the Falklands, as they were never yours.
If someday there is a truly impartial tribunal ... we will be the first ones to ask the english to sit by it. And of course, they will say that they won´t.
Rubbish. The last time you went before the ICJ, they ruled against you. You then illegally declared the decision null and void and refused to abide by it.
A fair and impartial tribunal will rule on the facts. The facts are against Argentina. Will you abide by the decision if they rule against you? I doubt it.
Argentina has *no* claim to the high ground here.
Anglo Turnip at (275) says...:
”The last time you (Argentina n. a.) went before the ICJ, they ruled against you. You then illegally declared the decision “null and void” and refused to abide by it.”
Would anybody be so kind to inform this humble Patagonian when such infortunate episode happened ?
Somehow it is missing from my liźt...:
@274 Luke puppet
At least, my dear Troy, you finally admitted that the ICJ is worthless as impartial. That´s good enough for me
I did no such thing.
Where did I say that?
It is pure invention on your part that Britain ' forced' you to commit heinous acts of aggression against your neighbours.
Very telling about you abilities that you were defeated by inferior numbers of British forces when you would have had all the advantages if you had a competent military.
Time to take responsibility for your own actions.
I was wrong about the ICJ, and I apologize for that.
However, the facts are still the same:
-Argentina agrees to binding arbitration
-A fair tribunal rules against Argentina
-Argentina reneges on their agreement
How do we know you won't do the same when (not if) the ICJ would rule against you?
“Although we have no doubt about our sovereignty over the Falkland Islands, South Georgia, South Sandwich or British Antarctic Territory, some of my right hon. and hon. friends have suggested that we refer the matter to the International Court of Justice. Since Argentina does not accept the compulsory jurisdiction of the court, the issue cannot be referred for a binding decision without her agreement. We have never sought a ruling on the Falkland Islands themselves from that court, but we have raised the question of the dependencies on three separate occasions—in 1947, 1949 and 1951. Each time Argentina refused to go to the court. In 1955, the British Government applied unilaterally to the International Court of Justice against encroachments on British sovereignty in the dependencies by Argentina. Again, the court advised that it could not pursue the matter since it could act only if there was agreement between the parties recognising the court's jurisdiction. In 1977, Argentina, having accepted the jurisdiction of an international court of arbitration on the Beagle Channel dispute with Chile, then refused to accept its results. It is difficult to believe in Argentina's good faith with that very recent example in mind. There is no reason, given the history of this question, for Britain, which has sovereignty and is claiming nothing more, to make the first move. It is Argentina that is making a claim. If Argentina wanted to refer it to the International Court, we would consider the possibility very seriously. But in the light of past events it would be hard to have confidence that Argentina would respect a judgement that it did not like.” The Prime Minister (Mrs. Margaret Thatcher) http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1982/apr/29/falkland-islands
You just cant talk to these brainwashed
they still believe in fairies.
(278) Apology accepted...
Facts are in my humble opinion more like...:
- Argentina, ruled at the time by a worn out, incompetent militar dictatorship, accepts.., God know why...,an arbitrationover the Beagle Channe Issue by nobody less that Her British Majesty government with whom, as it is public knowledge, Argentina mantains an old date dispute about other Islands in the area...
- The Fairness of such a tribunal, hand picked by such a noble referee, could be the topic of long nightly discussions ....
- Argentina, now ruled by a fresh military junta composed this time of prime murdering psychos, renegades on the old Junta agreement because they were psychos and they had other cunning plan with the rest of Chile...
- Eventually, when the time is right and it is stil neccesary, Argentina will submit its case to the ICJ...
Until the, we will use every and each peaceful means to get you bloody squatting Brutish pirates out of here...
The Beagle Channel is now chilean, so do not say we dont abide the crap of the partial ICJ tribunal. As I stated above, the tribunal is formed by the Security Council. So its not impartial, so its not useful at all to solve the dispute.
More Anglo argy dreams,
you will never get the Falkland's unless they want you,
and that will never happen.
The ICJ is a ridiculous concept, rulings without a mechanism for enforcement.
Might is always right.
The lesser countries just have to live with it.
As usual, Think, you are just so full of it.
l'm sure the Patagonian native peoples would like to get you bloody brutal squatters out of Patagonia.
Such a hypocrite, you are.
What did you do in 1982 ? Did you cheer and wave an Argentinian flag and feel national pride that your country invaded a practically defenceless community?
Were you happy that they were kept at gunpoint and threatened by your heroic and noble liberators.
What was your reaction when the forces were unceremoniously kicked off the islands.
(288) Lowlander Clyde15
Since you ask so politely..... laddie...:
Thank you for that niño. I can presume then that it is only the business with oil exploration/extraction that fuels your incisive comments.
You are most welcome, laddie.... and yez..., you may freely presume that it is the pathetic remains of the Brutish Empire's Business Plan for the exploitation of ~12,000,000 squatted square kilometers of South Atlantic and Antarctic territories that fuel my incisive comments...
287. You think The Falkland's situation changed in 2010 and now the continent is supporting Argentina?
What a laugh.
You are delusional and probably suffer from dementia.
So. you think that 12,000,000 sq.km. of the S.Atlantic belong to Argentina ? Your reason -apart from fanciful delusions- being ?
The pathetic remains of the Brutish Empire, I say the pathetic agrandisement of ARGENTINA'S deluded sense of self importance.
If we were Brutish, then we would have steam - rollered you in 1982 instead of acting in a civilized manner....which you did not deserve. Hooray for us !
You call Civilized Manner torpedoing an imminent (but inconvenient for the Tories) peace agreement by killing 323 persons?
An entirely political decision from London that ended costing 255 British lives too...
I reckon you would define Butcher Harris terror bombing of Dresden as British Civilized Manner too...
Or the Highland Clearances ...
292 Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire
torpedoing an imminent peace agreement by killing 323 persons
Mrs. Pierini framed the sinking of the cruiser General Belgrano as a war crime unpunished and unclaimed by our country.
I have an obligation to make public my total disagreement. Was not a war crime, but a combat action, the 323 crew members who gave their lives were not murdered: died fighting for our country, which is the maximum that can make delivery military.
The integrated naval force was deployed for an attack on the British fleet forming a coordinated operation with other naval groups, the course that had momentarily away from the enemy fleet, as commander Admiral should wait a moment considered most suitable. The Belgrano and the other ships were a threat and a danger to the British.
Its location outside the exclusion zone meant not withdraw from the war. All commanders at sea had been the British media establishment that area. The message stated in its final part: The government of His Majesty reserves the right to attack any ship or aircraft, within or outside the exclusion zone, which it considers a threat to its forces. Leave the exclusion zone was not to leave the combat zone to enter a protected area.
There was a violation of international law was an act of war and that was the position as head of the Navy in 1995 with presentations held in various courts.
The internal political problems did not govern the conduct of those who fought. The Belgrano was sunk endowment aware of its risks.
To think that were poorly killed and not killed in combat is to offend the memory they deserve who fought for us.
Enrique Molina Pico
Admiral, former Chief of
General Staff of the Navy
I feel I must apologise for the sinking of the pleasure ship the Belgrano on it's benign cruise around the Falklands to observe the wildlife.
The ARGENTINE peace agreement which would leave them with their cowardly gains ? Am I right in saying that they also refused to comply with security council resolution 502 and withdraw their troops from the Falklands ?
255 British lives too
Crocodile tears ? It was Argentina's action in invading the Falklands which led to their deaths . Your country was entirely responsible for the deaths and injuries in this war on both sides.
Yes, the bombing of Dresden was a terrible tragedy but must be taken in the context of a bitter war. The bombing took place at the behest of the Russians as Dresden was a marshalling area for German forces and supplies. I worked with a colleague who was a Mosquito pathfinder on the raid and it left a deep mark on his psyche in later years. However, England had been subject to indiscriminate V-1 and V-2 attacks and the public frankly did not care if Germany was wiped off the map. Decades later apologists like you make a moral case that would have been an anathema to the average Brit. Remember, you were not involved and Hitler had much worse in store if he had not been defeated.
As to the Highland clearances -of which you seem fond to quote, why I cannot fathom as it had NOTHING to do with you if you are what you say you are - this was the act of unprincipled land owners not the UK government.
Anyway, your lot had their own clearances of your indigenous population, killing them off instead of evicting them !
Pretty selective aren't you in your examples.
Isn't it about time to drop the pseudo Scottish persona and act like the Argentinian which you profess to be.
Argentina cant even patrol its own waters without sinking ,
how would they patrol the Falkland's waters,
with rowing boats,
best stay at home and play with their action men,
and leave the Falkland's to the professionals.
Your not even Argentinian let alone 100 percent 1sr Generation. A disgruntled Psuedo Highlander Troll at best. Embittered' twisted like a little boy stirring red ant & black ants nests together to watch them fight.
Time to come clean ?
The argies even fly kites now, pretending they are stealth planes, lol.
(294) Lowlander Clyde15
No need to apologize...
The world is as it is and you Anglos are just a tad more Brutish than the rest of us...
But..., referring to common human brutality as “British Civilized Manner” is just unadulterated Anglo haughtiness...
(296) Mr. McGregor
I can assure the very honourable gentleman with that most noble and unabolishable surname that this humble Patagonian is just what he says he is...
Certified first generation Argentinean of pure Viking blood....
An honour to meet you, Sire..
Your humble Servant...
One thing that you are NOT, oh slippery, slippery snake, Think, is humble.
You are most likely the biggest liar & haughty hypocrite on this forum.
l'm glad that the Scots on here have castigated you, you fake.
You're only trying to drive a wedge between the English & Scottish posters.
Why just pick on Dresden?
The whole of WWII would not have happened if the Germans had not started it.
lf you like Dresden was payment for what they did to Warsaw, Rotterdam, Coventry, London, Minsk & hundreds of un-named & forgotten towns & villages in Mother Russia.
Glad you brought up Bomber Harris.
He said the Germans have sowed the storm & now they will reap the whirlwind
Just like you Argentines, if you can't finish it, don't start it.
You're a slimebag, Think & you have no case.
We sent them packing at the Battle of Stamford Bridge.
”20(or more) ships brought the invaders to England & when the Vikings were defeated only 2 ships were needed to take the survivors back to Scandinavia.”
Get real Think.
The world was never better than when Reagan and Thatcher ruled.
Your best post to date!! :-)
”You call “Civilized Manner” torpedoing an imminent (but inconvenient for the Tories) peace agreement by killing 323 persons?”
Incorrect. The negotiations to find a ceasefire carried on throughout May 1982.
Hector Bonzo the captain of the Belgrano stated that his ship was not returning to port but was in one of many 'waiting circles' in the sea.
The sinking of the Belgrano cannot be a war crime as it was not a civilian ship and Argentina had been warned (a warning Galteirri dismissed) on 23rd April that any Argentine forces anywhere, that threatened the UK forces, would be liable to attack without warning.
The responsibility for the Belgrano being sunk was 'Plastic Face' Anaya's failure to take the British warning seriously.
While negotiations were underway, permission was refused by Thatcher to shoot down the Argentine Airforce's Boeing 707 reconnaissance aircraft and permission was also refused to sink Argentina's aircraft carrier when one of the nuclear subs had a contact.
If Galteiri and Plastic Face ignored those threats, it is they who put their servicemen at risk, when they had the choice to keep the Belgrano out of harm's way.
Therefore the blame for the Belgrano sinking lies fairly and squarely with Galteiri/Anaya.
If Argentina had not embarked on a violent course of war,
and invaded a tiny unharmed peaceful islands,
Then it would never have happened, would it,
other ships , planes and fighting men would still be here today.
pass whatever you like, use as many excuses as you require,
but the fact is, Argentina started it, and Argentina and know one else was responsible for the ultimate following deaths,
thus Argentina is guilty, no one else.
The Belgrano was a legitimate military target of a belligerent enemy.
As such it was engaged & sunk.
End of the story.
Hysterical(thats most of the posers), butt hurt Argentines have been highly affected because they LOST a warship & it hurts(snigger).
They want to win ALL THE TIME.
Tough tomatoes. Nobody wins all the time.
lf you drama queens hadn't stuck your noses into our business, then you wouldn't have had your cruiser torpedoed & lost 323 lives.
The blame is ALL YOURS.
isolda: your brain is sunkinto your chiippy histeriacl issues with menospause....check you dumb brit ships under the atlantic little bitch...
305# ”check you dumb brit ships under the atlantic little bitch...
Hmmmm, seems like Isolde has told the truth and hit foul georgeo right where it hurts!
Oh George, you are so manly when you swear.
You make me swoon & go weak at the knees.
l bet all the girls love you!
I bet Georgy's Anus would wet his pants if a girl looked at him.
l bet all the girls love you,
Crossdressers probable would not, seeing as he uses swear words as a form or defence.
@305 Father Jack
You haven't heard the dumbest part, ours haven't sunk for years, your navy sinks its own ships because instead of maintaining them, all your mates have a nice sleep every afternoon (siesta).
So your progress is that of the backwards type, you sunk a few enemy ships in 1982, now you have progressed to.....sinking your own.
Let us know when your subs manage to dive more than 19 hours every year.
(There's 24 hours in a day and 365 days in a years to put that into perspective, amigo).
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