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The Falklands would be safer after Brexit

Monday, May 16th 2016 - 18:56 UTC
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By Julian Thompson for The Telegraph (*)

As the EU referendum campaign enters its final stages, the Remain camp is resorting to ever more desperate fear tactics to win the argument. The latest – and most ludicrous – proposition is that the future of UK dependent territories will be under threat if we leave. Without EU support, we are told, Argentina would perceive Britain as “weakened” and might invade the Falklands. Read full article

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  • Briton

    ludicrous –
    totally brain washed these remainians, they think the whole world will implode if we leave,
    one thinks Europe will commit suicide if we stay?
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    . Without EU support, we are told, Argentina would perceive Britain as “weakened” and might invade the Falklands

    Did the EU support the Falkland's in the war, France supplied missiles , Belgium refused to supply ammo to us, and most of the rest refused to take sides,[ would you trust the EU to come to your rescue ]

    as for Argentina thinking we are weak,
    well,
    we are weak if you consider all the cut backs to our military by this Conservative government,
    but we could still make Argentina disappear from the world ,
    and whack then from more than six thousand miles away.

    the biggest danger is this government and its appeasement surrender attitude not brexit.

    just my humble opinion

    May 16th, 2016 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • FitzRoy

    You are slightly wrong on one point, Briton. France sold Exocets to Argentina before the war. once the war started they refused to furnish them with any more and also refused to help with ground-launched Exocets.
    On the rest you are correct, Britain's chances in repelling another invasion are massively improved and would take a lot less time than last time. Personally, I don't think Argentina is a military threat at the moment and won't be for some years.
    Nothing that leaves the ground in Argentina goes unnoticed these days. Nothing smaller than a yacht goes unnoticed at sea and they have nothing capable of attacking from under the sea.
    I am ok with Britain leaving the EU and Argentina would be incredibly stupid to try anything.

    May 16th, 2016 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Cameron is such an embarrassment.

    Never had any reason to admire Boris but he's got this thing right.

    Obammy!

    Afraid to actually intercede in Syria after he drew a hard line in the sand but not timid about meddling in the UK's affairs and coming down on the wrong side.

    Obammy can't get America to subrogate its sovereignty to the internationals so he tries to use the UK as a proxy.

    Usurper.

    May 16th, 2016 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CapiTrollism_is_back!!

    Britain is a threat to world peace in or outside the EU. Look at at the Middle East today. Directly the result of Britain's actions.

    I would think Russia and China as a precaution have a few thousand combined warheads pointing at the island. Well, really only a dozen would be required at best to erase the UK from world history.

    May 16th, 2016 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Clown can't decipher the consequences of salt two.

    May 17th, 2016 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alejo

    It makes no sense at all for the UK to leave the European Union. I forecast that the result of the referendum will be a rejection of Brexit.

    May 17th, 2016 - 05:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @4. You must assist us be explaining precisely how Britain is a threat to world peace. If that can be done by the possible mass of inert tissue that keeps your ears apart. I'm sure that you'd like to drag out events from the last hundred years. But perhaps you could comment on the activities of the Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, Muslims, Turks, Mongols and the Ottomans. Not to mention the prevalent conflicts between factions. All having taken place long before Britain took any part. And one cannot discount the role of Adolf Hitler in fostering discord as part of his war effort. At least Britain tried to leave behind viable states capable of self-government. It's unfortunate that Britain failed to recognise the innate greed and hatred of arabs and muslims. It could have forcibly removed those divisive factions to the east of the Jordan River and away from the revived state of Israel. It might also have committed its wartime armed strength to keeping them where they were put.

    What Russia and China have pointed Britain's way is immaterial. Neither really use any great force unless it is to the own interests. It's difficult to see how they would use force to the benefit of argieland. It's most likely that they would welcome the reduction of argieland to the level of peasants, one step down from where it currently stands, in order to move in and take whatever resources they might want.

    Miscalculation seems to be an argie trait. You did it in 81/82. You've done it since. Someone remarked, yesterday I think it was, that argieland never learns. As a result it constantly finishes up on its back or on its face. Which are you going for this time?
    @6. On the contrary, it's a concept called freedom. The freedom to do what WE want, where WE want, when WE want and how WE want.

    May 17th, 2016 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #4
    We are a threat to world peace? Hadn't noticed it. Russia attacks Georgia, annexes the Crimea and is threatening it's erstwhile colonies in the Baltic. Just about wiped out the population in Chechnya. Allows the shooting down of Malaysian airliner -and denies it. China has decided that the S.China Sea belongs to it and is building military bases on reclaimed coral atolls and making threats to all and sundry..
    However, according to a dummy like you the UK is more of a world threat despite your fellow traveler posters saying poor insignificant and unimportant
    Britain is disappearing down the plug hole. How can we be a threat to anyone ?

    If we are going to have nuclear destruction rained down upon us, we may as well have a few spare missiles sent the way of Argentina so you don't feel left out of the party. After a suitable number of years, the Falkland islanders could sail across and take possession of what remains of the failed Argentina and bring it to fruition under British values. The whole world would applaud this altruistic act.

    May 17th, 2016 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    2 FitzRoy
    thank you for pointing that out,

    did anyone hear the news and the express today,

    some have asked for an inquiry into David's dealings with certain people prior to his negotiation's,

    some now think he has been deceiving parliament and the people.

    May 17th, 2016 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • FitzRoy

    @9: Yes, I saw that in one of the redtops. At the time of his negotiations, I wasn't entirely impressed with the veracity of his “fight” in negotiating a better deal for the UK.
    It's a shame because I like Cameron, or rather, liked, but he seems to be taking Bliar's line in misleading the general populace.
    Living where I do, I'm not terribly worried about which way the UK decides to go, I know we'll be safe, I just wish they would outline why they say the things they've been saying, instead of just giving us soundbites.
    Hey-ho.

    May 17th, 2016 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    #7 Belligerant Conqueror
    “Miscalculation seems to be an argie trait. You did it in 81/82.”
    Taking the islands, my friend, was as you know an attempt by the Argentine military to gain some ground as the economy melted and discontent and popular resistance were on the raise.
    Please don't equate those dictators with the Argentines at large.

    May 18th, 2016 - 03:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @11

    Plaza de Mayo, 10 April 1982. This isn't a peace rally.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yoWYqM2lxw

    May 18th, 2016 - 07:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Britain, leave the EU while you still can.
    Have to applaud General Thompson.
    He says it like it is.
    Argentina can never invade the Falklands, but we could get stabbed in the back by European politicians.
    Time to install some blastproof gates on the Channel Tunnel.

    May 18th, 2016 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Time to distinguish between the City of London's interests and that of the UK's writ large.

    May 18th, 2016 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • McGregor

    @11 Enrique Do not worry you are not all “judged” by the Galtierri yardstick. I had the pleasure of working with a couple of Argentian brothers a while back - polite, hard working, great lads. De Kirchner didn't help much but I suspect her motivations were similar to Galtierri's. I have also seen several Argentinian posts that offer some hope for a brighter future.

    There will always be dinosaurs in both hemispheres that cannot let “sleeping dogs lay” and move on.

    May 18th, 2016 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    DefenceAssoc ”Once the UK walked softly and carried a big stick, it now shouts loudly and is largely impotent” https://t.co/K1bfYQmdh2

    David Cameron's defence cuts leave Britain exposed and 'semi-pacifist', says ex-Nato chief
    https://t.co/K1bfYQmdh2

    May 18th, 2016 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    16
    Impotent???
    If you lived where I live you would see the Trident Subs changing shifts...
    They are capable of taking out any major city in the world undetected...
    The UK is a serious threat to every nation on the planet...
    I call that a pretty big stick....

    May 18th, 2016 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    I call that a pretty big stick
    Only if you intend nuking them,
    I think the article was referring to conventional forces.

    May 19th, 2016 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    Well if we didn't keep poking our noses into other folks affairs like some sort of International police...
    Also having to patrol the other side of the world protecting Colonial interests...we wouldn't need so many conventional forces....
    The threat of the big stick would deter an invasion....

    May 19th, 2016 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    For once, Voice, l agree with you.
    Except of course, your thinly veiled reference to the Falkland lslands.
    Apart from that, true, we should not be trying to be lnternational Police.

    May 20th, 2016 - 07:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    The threat of a big stick is only of use where your possible adversary has the same stick. The policy of nuclear deterrent is to threaten retaliation in kind to those countries who have nuclear weapons also. It is also stated policy that we would never use it as a first strike weapon. You can deescalate a conflict by removing troops and conventional weapons. There is no such choice with nuclear weapons. Once used it's total war to the end.

    May 20th, 2016 - 09:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Largest ever Royal Navy warships unveiled to 'scare off Putin'
    THE British Navy has unveiled two ferocious 67,000 tonne aircraft carriers – the largest in its history.

    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/516953/warships-unveiled-to-scare-off-Putin-hms-queen-elizabeth-prince-of-wales-carrier

    including[scroll down]

    Royal Navy and RAF's most advanced equipment
    /////

    Between Europe & the Open Sea

    Odin’s Eye
    A century on from Jutland the UK faces a key decision.

    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/516953/warships-unveiled-to-scare-off-Putin-hms-queen-elizabeth-prince-of-wales-carrier

    A larger Merchant Navy will inevitable mean a larger Royal Navy. As Churchill famously said: “If Britain must choose between Europe and the open sea, she must always choose the open sea.”
     

    May 20th, 2016 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Good one, Briton.

    May 20th, 2016 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #22
    I am afraid you are trying to turn back the clock. Our merchant navy will never be the same size as in it's heyday. It's much cheaper chartering ships under flags of convenience...we can't even find enough UK citizens to crew the vessels we have.
    As to building ships. our govt. gave the contract to S.Korea for RFA tankers on a cost basis. No UK yard could compete on cost. This had nothing to do with the EU. Govt. policy is to buy where cheapest except for advanced warships.
    As for shipping companies, they will also buy where cheapest....unless the UK decide to subsidise the build.

    As for our two carriers, I can't see Putin losing any sleep over them. Their complement of aircraft is minimal. We don't even have enough escorts to protect them. The Daring class anti aircraft destroyers will all have to be
    re-engined because of the current engines unreliability so they will be out of service in rotation. The older Type 23 Frigates will have to soldier on until the Type 26 enters service... a long way off.
    The delay is being caused by design problems. These anti submarine vessels have to be so silent that submarines cannot detect them. The hull is the critical element in this.
    It must be right before steel is cut as it cannot be modified after.
    This is what is causing the building delay. One can only hope Bae get it right and are not forced by the MOD to cut corners to save money and end up with something that is not quite right for the job .

    As for the Daily Star, I don't think they are the definitive pundits on the Armed Forces. I notice that they talk about a Type 36 Frigate....they can't even get the name right.

    May 21st, 2016 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Well, then lets hope we all leave on the 23rd June,
    and have the good sense to rebuild our military,

    as for the carriers, the government as per normal thinks they are unsinkable and well protected,
    one suggests they re-evaluate that thinking and increase its defences
    or they may well end up like the royal oak,

    but of course we can all dream, but the way things are going in this world, lets hope we don't think to long.
    cheers

    May 21st, 2016 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ynsere

    Massot @ 11

    Very few Argentines can truthfully disassociate themselves from the invasion of the Falklands. Galtieri was the unelected leader, but practically every adult Argentine was mindlessly delighted. “El que no salta es un inglés”, remember?

    May 22nd, 2016 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia

    The UK will return the Malvinas within 25 years.

    May 23rd, 2016 - 02:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • McGregor

    @27

    I don't think you have fully grasped the meaning of “self determination”.

    May 23rd, 2016 - 04:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @27Hepatia,
    Argentina will return stolen Paraguayan land within 25 years.

    May 23rd, 2016 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    The UK will return the Malvinas within 25 years

    not before you return all the land you lot stole from others.

    May 23rd, 2016 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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