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“Humanitarian approach”, the new Falklands' policy of the Macri administration
“Humanitarian approach” is how Argentine diplomacy plans to implement policy towards the Falkland Islands including greater air and sea contacts, which could lead to open trade, convincing Mercosur members to lift the ban, plus offers of specialized medicine and higher education opportunities for Falkland Islanders. Read full article
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May 19th, 2016 - 08:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0It didn't.
And it can't.
Closer relations can happen. Doesn't mean there will be a 'reward' for Argentina.
A repeat of the 90s. At least, this time, argieland admits that its final objective is sovereignty. Islanders must make up their own minds. But, for the benefit of young Islanders, I'd just like to mention a few pertinent factors. In 1982, 775 British servicemen were wounded and another 255 were killed retaking your Islands so that you could have the freedom you currently enjoy. Britain has spent and continues to spend billions on your infrastructure and protection. Argieland is broke. It will take your land, your resources and your freedom. Remember that, in '82, argieland made various promises to convince the world that it was liberating you. It wasn't long before you were forced to drive on the right, learn and speak spanish and accept argie currency as worth something. Look at the history of argieland since the 70s. How do you see your chances of being accorded any degree of respect or autonomy? According to argies, you are already a part of a province. Whereas, for the most part, Britain treats you as a country in formation. Do you look forward to getting your argie ID and passport? Travelling, perhaps to Britain, and encountering the possibility of contempt. Thirty-plus years and Britain still stands by you. You are not a useful military base now in the 21st century. Your gas and oil resources are your own. Britain is already committed to that. Argieland will simply take those resources.
May 19th, 2016 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0So be very careful with argieland's charm offensive. Remember that, for more than 80 years, argies have considered you to be bandits, interlopers, pirates. Will that change overnight or will you have to prove that you can be “good” argies?
Take what you can, but always remember who your true friends are!
Remember, Choripans are the currency of bribery and corruption in the dark country… What are they actually worth? Think about it..
May 19th, 2016 - 08:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well... well... well...
May 19th, 2016 - 08:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a small World this is...
Firstly...:
It is not spelled the “Paretto” but the “Pareto” Principle...
(As intimately related to Vilfredos Patrician Genoese family..., I feel obliged to correct this turnipy error and properly spell his Surname... ;-)
Secondly...:
A link to the original column of Mr. Dinatale to bypass MacriPress' lowly translation standard... ;-)
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1899839-malvinas-el-plan-de-acercamiento-que-se-fijo-macri
Thirdly...:
Let's see if this lubrification exercise facilitates Argentinean penetration... ;-)
The Falklands have never been Argentine. So fcuk off
May 19th, 2016 - 09:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0“..... which has the long term purpose of claiming sovereignty over the Falklands.”
May 19th, 2016 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0So another Trojan Horse policy. Same old agenda. Same old thieving policy.
Argies still scared of the ICJ. Therefore, usual deceptive Argie methods.
I think this will be seen through for what a con it is. It would be easy to think Argies were born with Viveza criolla...
BOT Falklands - free & fair!
Perhaps they realize that the game's up and the mythical Malvinas claim is d e a d?
May 19th, 2016 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is what Macri said in 1997: The ambassador in London recalled that back in 1997, Macri was interviewed on the issue and his reply surprised everybody. He minimized the claim and stated, “I never quite understood the sovereignty claims of such as big country as ours. We don't have a space problem such as Israel, for example”.
But apparently he did not stop there: in effect as a pro-business man and faithful to orthodox economics, the heir of an industrial and real estate conglomerate added, “as far as I know it costs quite a bit to the English Treasury to keep the Malvinas Islands” so if they are recovered for Argentina, “Malvinas will become an additional deficit for the country's accounts”.
In addition, the Argentinean embassy in London has taken its ''Usurpation & UN resolutions'' notice down from its web page. Perhaps it was getting too embarrassing?
The truth is out there: https://www.academia.edu/21721198/Falklands_1833_Usurpation_and_UN_Resolutions
“Humanitarian approach”? I doubt it seeing as the ultimate aim is to steal sovereignty of the islands and their wealth from their rightful owners - the people of the Falkland Islands.
May 19th, 2016 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Quite a lot of fancifull fantasy farce!Who imposed the communications restrictions and shipping flag bans etc?
May 19th, 2016 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Answer-Argentina-so no need to pressurise Chile and Uruguay to lift them Macri- just do it yourself if you want to. Anyway despite them we still trade with both quite well.
Argentina imposed the overflight ban on any additional commercial flights - so ball in Macri,s court - 100% up to him to quietly lift it if he wants to.
Fruit and Veg- we get plenty anyway - Hope he realises that the onlt way any could come in here direct from Argentina is with a standard international Argentine Phytosanitary Certificate - exactly the same way as it does from Chile-UK- Uruguay etc. Standard International Trade documents and Biosecurity rules between countries - ie Arg would be admitting that FI are NOT part of Argentina.
Ball in Marci,s court again.
Medical? - we have good system and effective reliable links - do tell us why if Arg is so wonderfull do so many Argentines in southern Patagonia who can afford it - travel to the Clinica Magallanes in Punta Arenas? One assumes logic is because they get better treatment there.
So across the board - all up to Argentina if it , over the next decade wants to start quietly lifting some of the barriers Argentina imposed. We will not be asking! They are the ones who want us to start thinking a bit better of them.
So the Malevolent Midget Malcorra claims to be a professional engineer?
May 19th, 2016 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0It seems Argentina will accept any idiot into the realm unlike the western world where you need to have proper qualifications AND experience.
I have noticed this several times in Uruguay.
As others have posted: no real change, just same old delusions of grandeur by the argies.
ah, if we are nice to you will you let us have your islands ??
May 19th, 2016 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0I do hope this is seen for what it is, Take what you can get but don't allow yourselves to be dependant on it, cos it will be snatched away when you don't play ball with them.
fcol people, at least he is trying.
May 19th, 2016 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No Argentine politician can suddenly turn around and say “Nah, screw-it, we;re not interested in the falklands anymore”... they wouldn't survive the week.
Macri is doing a brilliant job of putting Argentina back into the real world, give him the chance and time to do things without all these knee-jerk reactionary responses.
Anbar 12 . Correct - he cannot rebuild Rome in a day! But what his predecessors caused - only he can gradually unravel. If he really does start to unravel things re the Islands - he will find a helpful and positive response from this side - but its Macri who has to make the moves - and quietly keep the Sov issue off agenda- we realise he cannot just drop it - and expect to still be alive the next week.
May 19th, 2016 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12 “No Argentine politician can suddenly turn around and say “Nah, screw-it, we;re not interested in the falklands anymore”... they wouldn't survive the week.”
May 19th, 2016 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0-- Not so much a comment on Macri as a reminder of the antediluvian nac-pop nature of the country.
12 Anbar... and yet there is this article which seems to lower the importance of the “Malvinas” to the Argentines. Not that I have any trust in them at all.
May 19th, 2016 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/37bcf3a8-190a-11e6-b197-a4af20d5575e.html#axzz497EkJaTS
It seems to me that they believe that “bull shit baffles brains”! This whole approach is “basura”!
May 19th, 2016 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0exactly Macri wanta to do normal politics sorting out argentina a country where aeroplane factorys domt actually build anything but people still get paid etc etc etc.
May 19th, 2016 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Humanitarian approach
May 19th, 2016 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Insulting or what.
“Another step is ”an open doors trade policy“, which could mean fresh food, fruit and vegetables. ”
May 19th, 2016 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not more Argentine ignorance surely? Are these people brain dead? How can a country claim Islands when it hasn't a clue about what happens there?-Heard of the Market Garden Argies??? -It's only been growing fresh produce (disease free) since the 1980s and if the Islanders still grow veg in their gardens there was no shortage of that either. And have shipments from Chile stopped?
What else is Argentina going to offer that the Islanders already have?
Electricity supplies? Vehicles? Water?
Admittedly there isn't a lot of fruit but vegetables have been growing WELL on the islands since Port Egmont (gardens there 1765).
I saw swedes on Sealion Island the size of footballs in the 80s, and they continued growing into the winter, but oh no, that must have been an hallucination as nothing AT ALL grows on the Falklands right?
The argies are obviously trying to take the Falklands by stealth - the Falkland Islanders should avoid anything that increases dependence on argentina or gives them the slightest toehold in the Falklands.
May 19th, 2016 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Humanitarian approach”
May 19th, 2016 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't that the same approach the Nazis used on Stalingrad? The same approach that the Argentines used on the native tribes of Tierra del Fuego?
Beware of Argies bearing gifts.
Nothing Argentina has ever done in the past has increased their control or given them even the slightest degree of sovereignty over the Falkland Islands.
May 19th, 2016 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And after how Argentina has acted over the past 15 years the liklihood is even lower now.
The Falkland Islands will benefit from this.
And Argentina will again be confused and frustrated that they don't.
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May 19th, 2016 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I saw swedes on Sealion Island the size of footballs in the 80s,”
Are you sure they weren't Turnips....;-)
Our age expectancy is higher than that in Argentina, our balance of trade is healthier, our GDP is off the scale (higher) compared to Argentina's and we have access to better education and medical facilities than Argentina can offer us.
May 19th, 2016 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All we want to do is open up normal trade links. We don't need a 'humanitarian approach.' Argentina has plenty of business people who would love to do more trade with us and vice versa. Cut out all of the other crap and let people do business.
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Poor old Think.
This “humanitarian approach” is a waste of time. Giving the kelpers what they want is a very bad idea. Kelpers only understand contempt, and the British only understand a nuke in London. They are in no way ready to get closer to the enemy...
May 20th, 2016 - 02:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
May 20th, 2016 - 03:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0@25 MagnusMaster
May 20th, 2016 - 05:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a friendly “humanitarian approach” you evoke! Shades of 1982! Boludo!
@26 Hepatia
May 20th, 2016 - 05:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands were never argentine to “return”
Maybe the argies will return to Europe within 25 years.
Best approach is no approach.
May 20th, 2016 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ignore, cut off and boycott (with mercosur). Indefinitely.
@ 20 No Vestige of a brain
May 20th, 2016 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0”Ignore, cut off and boycott (with mercosur). Indefinitely.”
If you really think that then you really are brainless.
Mercosur cannot work within itself as originally constituted, how the hell is it going to band together and boycott the Falklands, especially when two Mercosur countries are already trading with it?
Twathead.
@29 Vestige
May 20th, 2016 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0You've been trying the cut off and boycott approach for the last 15 years. How did that work?
It certainly didn't have any discernible effect on the Falkland Islanders.
Oh, and please do feel free to ignore the Falkland Islands indefinitely. It's nice to see that you're finally realising that Argentina has less than a snowballs chance in hell of ever gaining anything in the South Atlantic.
@25 MagnusMaster
So have you actually done ANYTHING to improve Argentina yet? Or do you just prefer to sulk and throw out amazingly stupid threats? Such as 'nuke' London. You might as well have threatened to throw snowballs at the moon.
Please elaborate on how Argentina is going to 'nuke' London? Lets see why this is such a stupid threat.
1. You don't have any nuclear weapons.
2. Even if you did you don't have a viable delivery system for said nuclear weapons.
3. If you did get nuclear weapons then Argentina would be in breach of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and would have sanctions (like North Korea does) put in place against you.
But lets suppose that you have a nuclear weapon and a suitable delivery method to launch said weapon and you threaten to 'nuke' London. Then the UK could invoke Article 51 of the UN Charter and launch a pre-emptive 'nuke' at Buenos Aires instead. And even if you gave no warning and somehow 'nuked' London, then the UK would launch it's nuclear weapons and wipe Argentina from existence.
That's assuming that the US, Russia, France and China don't also join in and wipe you off the face of the Earth.
Now I now you like to do the 'macho' posturing and you think it makes you appear 'big and brave', but in reality stupid comments like these only make you look weak and childish.
And another day will dawn, and the Falklands will still be British, and you will still be crying about the state of Argentina, because you too lazy to get off your backside and work to make Argentina a successful country.
Pathetic.
Nearly half the Argentines voted for Cristina.
May 20th, 2016 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0A change of government would not only mean a change of policies but also ignoring any agreements reached internationally by the former government of Macri. Argentina does not respect international law and even ignores arbitration!
Argentina is not a stable nation and it is understandable that while the Islanders will love friendship and good relations, they will not want to give up the political, economic and monetary stability of the UK which incidentally has been outside the EU for most of the Falkland's life.
@31 I didn't say we would nuke London, only that it is the only way you would understand. We shouldn't have signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, it was clearly intended to make the global powers have nukes while the rest are defenseless.
May 20th, 2016 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am doing as much to improve the state of Argentina as you are doing to improve the state of the UK. I care more about my country than most people in Argentina, that's why I stand with Argentina on Malvinas and not with powerful nations that think they are superior and always right.
@33 MagnusMaster
May 20th, 2016 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really ought to read the following:-
http://www.falklandshistory.com/false-falklands-history.pdf
http://www.falklandshistory.com/false-falklands-history.pdf
http://www.falklandshistory.com/false-falklands-history.pdf
Maybe you will learn that the Malvinas campaign is utterly false.
only that it is the only way you would understand.
May 20th, 2016 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0do you mean we don't understand that the Falkland's belong to Argentina, you run them administer and look after them,
and until we understand that, if you did have nuke weapons London would be toast,
perhaps it is you Argentina who does not understand,
in a nut shell then-
they are British, always were and always will be until they say other wise,
so please, feel free to obtain nuckey puckey weapons
and see magic mushroom everywhere..
just a red hot thought.
Can you imagine what the entire province of Bs As would look like as a vast, glowing, cinder-covered parking lot?
May 20th, 2016 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Humanitarian approach”
May 21st, 2016 - 04:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0What is ‘humanitarian’ about trying to deny the population of the Falkland Islands sovereignty over their own country?
The measures that the Argentine President announced are just what, in a civilised world, neighbouring countries enjoy as a matter of course. Until they renounce their specious claim to the Islands, Argentine will continue to be a threat to the peace, security and wellbeing of the Islanders and, as such, will continue to behave in an inhumane way towards them.
I don’t think Argentina understands what humanitarian means.
“including greater air and sea contacts, which could lead to open trade, convincing Mercosur members to lift the ban”
It was Argentina that ‘persuaded’ Mercosur to impose the trade and communication ban on the Falklands in the first place! They did this by telling lies about the sovereignty of the Islands. And now they are pretending to be the good guy and ‘persuade’ Mercosur to lift the same ban!
What a bunch of hypocrites.
At least the Islanders no longer have to deal with their own sanitary emergencies.
May 21st, 2016 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why,
May 21st, 2016 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0are the argies going to clean the bogs.
In view of the failure of Argentina to acknowledge the terms of UN Security Council resolutions 502 and 505 their candidacy for the post of Secretary General should be ignored and dismissed as unacceptable.
May 22nd, 2016 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May I repeat what I've been saying for years? “Never trust an Argentine”. However pleasant or unpleasant. Deal with them when you have no choice, but keep your eyes wide open and don't give up a credible military deterrent.
May 22nd, 2016 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is the history of Argentina over the past 70 years enough for it to nominate one of its citizens for the post of Secretary General of the UN? I don't think so.
May 22nd, 2016 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The history of the Argentina of the past 70 years suggests that it remains unfit for so much as a nomination for the undersecretary of horse-stable cleaning or turnip harvesting.
May 22nd, 2016 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most of them should realise that Pinochio's nose is tiny compared to theirs!
May 23rd, 2016 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or, perhaps, Macri and Malcorra could simply reaffirm the 1850 Convention of Settlement treaty their government signed with Britain, which stated that there were no longer any outstanding claims by Argentina against Britain.
May 23rd, 2016 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(45) R. Ben Madison
May 23rd, 2016 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or, perhaps, HRM and Cameron could simply reaffirm the 1825 Treaty of Friendship, Commerce and Navigation between Argentina and the United Kingdom signed in 1825 which they broke by invading the Malvinas in 1833...
It wasnt Argentina which didnt exist then you numbnut, it was the UP, a motely collection of embryo Spanish invaders indian genociders and squatters And it wasnt an invasion in 1833 the Cleo restored order and no one was forced to leave from the population. Get your facts straight. And then there is the treaty of 1850 doh!
May 23rd, 2016 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@46 Thing
May 23rd, 2016 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“which they broke by invading the Malvinas in 1833” - wrong again!
I believe you should read this link
http://www.falklandshistory.com/false-falklands-history.pdf
invading the Malvinas in 1833
May 23rd, 2016 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0can one prove this fact,
times dates and where the landings took place,
how many Argentinians were killed or injured,
who won,
who signed the surrender paper,
so much info, but no details.
back to drawing board then.lol
@49 Briton
May 23rd, 2016 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't expect 'Think' to reply. He always runs away or starts insulting and diverting the thread when asked to provide any kind of proof.
We all know (as stated in the Argentine national archive) that there were no Argentines on the Falkland Islands in 1833...as Argentina didn't exist as a country until 1850. There were a bunch of murderous rapists from the United Provinces who tried to usurp British territory. But everyone knows that they left without a fight.
Everyone also knows that despite the British only leaving the mighty Union flag behind that no UP soldier or Argentine ever came back...until their cowardly invasion in 1982.
Now by my calculations that is 149 years! Something that wouldn't hold up in a court of law, especially as sovereignty claims lapse after 40 years if not repeated EVERY year from when the claim was 1st made.
Of course the oxymoron, Think, likes to pretend that those things don't exist and will stick his fingers in his ears and go 'la la la'. But it doesn't make the true history of the Falkland Islands and the UK's legitimate sovereignty of those Islands any less true.
Poor old Think.
May 23rd, 2016 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'll give him one thing. He sure knows that you can say anything on here and nobody will ever successfully take you to task over it.
Credibility check anyone?
Anyway, back to this news article. Can anyone explain to me what sort of “humanitarian approach” Argentina can give us?
Humanitarian: adj. having concern for or helping to improve the welfare and happiness of people.
Maybe he meant he was going to come to us cap in hand and ask us for a humanitarian approach.
@50
May 23rd, 2016 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LEPRecon
very true.
Think has been Thunk… more than once, and his lawnmowing friend in Dunoon witters on ineffectively about East Falkland and the Frogs. Yaaawn…… on yer bike :-)))
May 23rd, 2016 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argys? Humanitarian? These things don't sit comfortably together. Look at their history. Genocide, attempted theft, serial lying. Don't trust them, its all a front. They want back into the civilised world but on their terms, with their morals. Don't fall for it.
May 24th, 2016 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0@54 “ Genocide, attempted theft, serial lying. ”
May 24th, 2016 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Attempted” theft? They are world champions. And the extensive violations of other norms of semi-civilised conduct. And don't forget invasions of the neighbours, and not just the Falklands.
And their internal robbery rates are not very pretty, either. Number one in robbery in the entire hemisphere. The graphic here is unconstrained by language:
http://www.clarin.com/politica/Robos-America_Latina-ONU_0_1029497294.html
And then the assault rates, which make El Salvador look tranquil:
http://www.clarin.com/politica/Robos-America_Latina-ONU_0_1029497294.html
Not sure you want these people providing “assistance.”
@55 Marti Llazo
May 24th, 2016 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am a frequent visitor - annually - to El Salvador where I usually spend 3 to 4 weeks. The situation there is a long way from being as bad as is reported.
The violence there is primarily between the criminal gangs - las maras - and this rarely affects the general population although their behaviour does have an adverse effect on employment and foreign investment.
I am confident that a political resolution will be established soon.
@56 That is good to hear, though I somehow suspect you have been staying in one of the “better barrios.” I have not been to Salvador for several years and when I was there, anyone who had anything kept it behind multiple layers of malla. In fact the house where I stayed was completely enclosed by the wire netting and nothing bigger than a cat could get in.
May 24th, 2016 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The point I am sure is not missed: that urban Argentina in the north in particular ( less so here in the south) is the very picture of robbery and assault, and the islanders would do well to resist the many unwholesome argie influences under the guise of “assistance.”
46 Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer and impersonator extraordinaire
May 24th, 2016 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“1825 Treaty of Friendship, Commerce and Navigation between Argentina and the United Kingdom signed in 1825 which they broke by invading the Malvinas”
Is an out and out lie as I have refuted this same rubbish by you at least three times. First, it was never a peace treaty, it was simply a treaty of commerce.
Secondly, Argentine government was first to breach the tenets of international law by their attempted usurpation. Their guilt in this matter was by their deliberate ignoring of two official protests. Their “silence” has confirmation of the truth of the British claim. The attempt to enforce their trespass with a force of arms by installing a garrison, and no disclosure of a 'colour of right. Entitled Briton to enforce their rights with reciprocal force, and likewise, were entitled to refuse to enter into any discussions on the matter. As they were simply just mirrowing Argentine behaviour
@50 Well said.
May 25th, 2016 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ But everyone knows that they left without a fight”
And a large number of them were.....British, (No surprise they didn't fight), who went to B.A. Whilst South American settlers stayed, choosing to be British.
A delicious irony......
Ahhh, now we know what the 'humanitarian' approach is!
May 25th, 2016 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2016/05/25/un-human-rights-expert-calls-on-argentina-to-urgently-protect-indigenous-peoples
Obviously the same 'humanitarian' approach the Argentine government and people have shown the the indigenous peoples of Argentina will be the same as they show to the indigenous people of the Falkland Islands.
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