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Brexit: The apocalypse

Wednesday, June 22nd 2016 - 04:33 UTC
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By Gwynne Dyer - How’s this for apocalyptic? “As a historian I fear Brexit [a British vote to leave the European Union in the referendum on June 23] could be the beginning of the destruction of not only the EU but also Western political civilization in its entirety,” said Donald Tusk, the president of the European Union, in an interview published on Monday in the German newspaper Bild. Read full article

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  • Skip

    Yes yes, the end of the world as we know..... not bad for a country that is supposedly too small and insignificant to make it on its own.

    Also the EU won't have 500 million people if the UK leaves, for all the constant fact checking done on Leave claims, it is a wonder no one brings up that the EU would only have 440 million people if the UK leaves.

    And after the EU, US, China and Japan; the UK would have the world's 5th largest economy. It is a wonder that more than 170+ other countries can manage to survive with smaller economies than the UK.

    Jun 22nd, 2016 - 06:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    Donald Tusk. Never heard of him and I would guess that the bulk of the British population have not either. No doubt if the vote is to leave, we will be issued with cyanide pills to take the easy way out from a forecast lingering death.
    At least they would be free on the NHS !

    Jun 22nd, 2016 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Whiny? Not something I normally associate with the Brits.

    And lies? Cameron is the mother of all liars.

    Soros write this?

    Jun 22nd, 2016 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    Haha. I don't think it will be the end of the world. The U.K. could survive. But that does not necessarily mean it would be better.

    Shame on all the extremist views clouding the honest decision making.

    Jun 22nd, 2016 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • darragh

    Oh - it's the Gwynne (Apocalypse Now) Dyer twit again.

    Apparently he calls himself an historian but if he's an historian so's my cat.

    Jun 22nd, 2016 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    This Dyer character is nothing but a Canuk journalist with a penchant for military history. He is rabidly remain as this poorly written piece clearly shows.

    Mmmm. Which other well known Canuk is rabidly remain: none other than Ossie's mate 'The Governor of the Bank of England”. Perhaps they are best mates?

    Anyway he is likely to be wrong as so many remainders are. :o)

    VOTE LEAVE!

    Jun 22nd, 2016 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    The apocalypse
    if we stay.

    Jun 22nd, 2016 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    The UK is risk averse.

    Jun 22nd, 2016 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    Let's pick holes in Mr Dyer's blatantly Remainder article. (As I recollect, I have been the first to call them Remainders, but we won't argue).

    As I understand it, the EU is supposed to be a group of equal partners. In that case, why are France and Germany touted as “leaders”? Why doesn't every member pay the same contribution? If members get money back, why shouldn't they all get the same? Why are the cases by Gibraltar and the UK against spain heard by a spanish judge? If other members want special rights and to hold referendums, why not? Is the EU so unsure of itself? How is the UK going to lose duty free access to the “single market” of 28 countries and 500 million consumers? For a start, without the UK there will only be 27 countries. Reduce the number of consumers by 66 million. Sticking with that paragraph, go down to your local reference library. Ask to see a copy of the HS Tariff. Be prepared. It comes in three volumes. Volume 2 usually requires two binders. They are big. And heavy. You may only be able lift one at a time. But it lists all goods. Notice how many have a zero rate of import duty anyway. Pressing on, the worth of “trade deals” is questionable. Without a “deal”, import charges revert to the GATT. Mr Dyer is also wrong on another point. Not all “deals” are negotiated through the EU. Mr Cameron, I recall, made a “deal” with India over Indian-produced textiles. Unfortunately, as part of it, he had to agree to the entry of Indian nationals to the UK. There goes one deal!

    It'll be interesting to see Scotland trying to hold a second “legal” independence referendum. Scotland wants to be part of the EU. All little states that aren't viable on their own do. Just imagine Scotland's horror when a REAL frontier goes up. It will be demanded by the people of England. We still remember what Scots said about us in 2014.

    When Britain leaves, the EU will have far less money. How many states equate membership to freebies? The Romanians certainly do!

    Jun 22nd, 2016 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Earthfarmer

    Please, please exit. You will be setting a good example to the rest of the central governments in the world that they don't have control of all of us.

    Jun 22nd, 2016 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #9
    We still remember what Scots said about us -INCORRECT. WE said it about rabid little Englanders of which you are the prime example and their misplaced sense of superiority and self-importance. And we are still saying it about YOU !

    We also remember YOU saying that we should be nuked and that all the armed forces would be ready to attack us IF we dared look at you twice.

    If the vote goes to stay in the EU -remember, 90% of the votes will be placed in England- will you do us a favour and implode in incandescent rage ?

    Jun 22nd, 2016 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Room101

    If such reactions from the EU correct as Tusk says, then the Problem was always there: if the EU cannot survive the departure pf a member, then it shows its weakness and therefore needs to get its ACT TOGETHER!

    Jun 22nd, 2016 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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