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UK/Argentina statement refers to all South Atlantic issues “without exclusion” and shared responsibility
Foreign minister Susana Malcorra addressing Argentine Senators described the UK/Argentina statement as “very positive” since UK accepts to dialogue on all South Atlantic issues, “without exclusions”, with shared responsibility in eliminating obstacles to the region's development and in this new positive spirit eventually discuss Falklands/Malvinas sovereignty. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThe UN obviously saw what happened when Malcorra dared to offer an olive branch too the UK and advance dialogue. Then got summoned back to Buenos Aires to explain herself immediately. This cannot happen to a UN Secretary General, if she cannot be seen to even speak for her country with one voice, how can she speak for the UN.
Oct 06th, 2016 - 07:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Once again Argentine stupidity has cost them, they will just have to settle for a Pope!
At no point has the UK agreed to talks on the sovereignty of the islands. I defy Jabba to produce the evidence to support her claim.
Oct 06th, 2016 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Likewise Malcorra argued that there are different ways to approach the Malvinas question, “and we can agree or disagree in the path to follow but under no circumstances are we yielding in the sovereignty principle over the Islands, as was clearly exposed in the Decolonization Committee, C24”.
Oct 06th, 2016 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah that old C24 Committee chestnut: https://www.academia.edu/11274445/Falklands_-_UN_C24_Committee
“an unpronounceable objective” ...... err, is it?
Oct 06th, 2016 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0“an unpronounceable objective” ...... err, is it not yet another unmistakable Freudian Slip from MercoPress?
Oct 06th, 2016 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse +1Now, if they'd said “an unobtainable object” that would have been far better English. :-)
Oct 06th, 2016 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0I love watching Argentineans argue over the Falklands!
Oct 06th, 2016 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0I Think the word used was..: “Imprescriptible”...
Oct 06th, 2016 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0As a former member of the long arm..., you should know what it means, laddie...
Malcorra only hears what she wants to hear,
Oct 06th, 2016 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And imaging's things,
Britain should not support Argentina on anything as they just interpret this as
accepting their none existent claim.
Hot air being expended on an already lost cause!
Oct 06th, 2016 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think she probably meant “unachievable objective” but it just came out all wrong.
Oct 06th, 2016 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 11 'I think she probably meant “unachievable objective” but it just came out all wrong.'
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Since this is Argentina, the actual internal conditions may have involved “inconceivable incompetence” and “interminable bickering.”
Along with “indisputable evidence” that Argentina is “unavoidably unwilling” to join the world.
Impassable obstructions for Argentina. How life must be soooo disappointing for Peronistimo Mavinistarists to cogitate, ruminate, ponder and reflect that one is soooo impotent in the matter of the Falkland Islands, Britains South Atlantic real estate, not forgetting Queen Elizabeth Land.
Oct 06th, 2016 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Alternatively one could 'Think', but that wouldn't help either. Sikke en skam!
Article: ' She added that Malvinas is “an unpronounceable objective”....'
Oct 06th, 2016 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remarkably bad writing even for the usual bad writing published by the MercoPiss.
What Malacara actually said (or what was reportedly said) was the rather fanciful...“la recuperación del territorio y el ejercicio pleno de la soberanía, respetando el modo de vida de sus habitantes, y conforme a los principios del derecho internacional, constituyen un objetivo permanente e irrenunciable del pueblo argentino”...“
That qualification of ”objective“ could be translated more correctly in any number of ways. The clumsiest but relatively contextually accurate might be ”objective that cannot be renounced“ or even ”irrenounceable objective“ -- but the ”unpronounceable” was just an irretrievable error on the part of the indisputably amateur writer for the unquestionably unprofessional MercoPiss.
What a disaster she would be as Sectetary General
Oct 06th, 2016 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor Lady- she really is stuck between a rock and a hard place!
Oct 06th, 2016 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She is correct- Sov is an agenda issue- there is a claim - so it is!
So its on the Agenda from the Arg side- everytime there is a meting with either UK or UK and FI officials - Arg will raise it - the other side will say -no deal and no discussion unless the FI wish it - now onto agenda item 2 please.
So what she says to her Congress is partly true - she has to have a line of something to try and sell to them - even if she knows its actually a dead end one!
As for the bit about BOTH sides acting to undo the nastiness of last 14 yrs- umm Lady - it as 100% ALL done by your side - so 100% your responsibility to start trying to undo it.
We will quietly wait and watch and see if you do what your Govt agreed to do.
We will not hold our breath though
Doesn't she just waffle on, though.
Oct 06th, 2016 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another Hot Air Expert from Argentina.
@ 15 - “What a disaster she would be as Sectetary General”
Oct 06th, 2016 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0--
What a disaster she would be as a greeter at a Tim Hortons.
Poor woman has been caught in the web of lies that is Argentinas claim to The Falkland Islands. She seems a very decent person trying to do her best.
Oct 06th, 2016 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What it means Think - is that there is nothing to discuss.
Oct 06th, 2016 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina will never renounce their claim to the Falklands, in 4 billion years time the sun will swallow the earth and the last word said by the last surviving Argentine will be “Malvinas son Argentinas” that is how long Argentinas laughable and ridiculous claims will endure.
Oct 07th, 2016 - 01:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0@19 - “She [Malacara] seems a very decent person trying to do her best. ”
Oct 07th, 2016 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nope. She's argentine.
Does anyone tell the truth in Argentine politics?
Oct 07th, 2016 - 02:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why doesnt she simply state that Argentina has successfully invaded the Falklands/the moon/Alpha Centuri?
Nobody believes it anyway
Who cares if its not true
“I find it extremely difficult to procure information in this Country. On the one side the profoundest reserve is maintained, and on the other the wildest and most
Oct 07th, 2016 - 03:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0exaggerated statements are fabricated without the slightest reference to truth.”
Henry Southern to Lord Palmerston from BA October 12, 1849
@24 ”..... the wildest and most exaggerated statements are fabricated without the slightest reference to truth.”
Oct 07th, 2016 - 05:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0As anyone who lives here can tell you, that pretty much sums up most of Latin America. People here will go to enormous lengths and summon their most spectacular imagination in order to creatively conceal the fact that they really have not the foggiest truthful notion about the matter at hand; or are so vexed by what they believe may exist, that there is an overriding emotional imperative to describe a spectacularly fanciful but comforting alternative universe. Observing an Argentine careen between these two methods would be quaintly charming, were it not for the considerable amount of greenish-brown hierba-mate drool and the flying spittle involved.
(24)Mr. Roger Lorton
Oct 07th, 2016 - 05:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0A surprisingly positive comment about us Argies... coming from an Engrishman as Mr. Southern in those phrenological Victorian times...
What did, for example, enlighted Engrishmen wrote about other inferior foreigners at the time...?..:
*** “ I am haunted by the human chimpanzees I saw . . . I don't believe they are our fault. . . . But to see white chimpanzees is dreadful; if they were black, one would not feel it so much. . . .” ***
(Charles Kingsley about the Irish, in a letter to his wife, quoted in L.P. Curtis, Anglo-Saxons and Celts, p.84)
Context and historical understanding laddie...
That's what's sorely missing in your pamphletary works...
Kind regards
El Think...
”
@21
Oct 07th, 2016 - 07:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0“in 4 billion years time the sun will swallow the earth.”
I thought it was around 7.5 billion years. Now I'm worried ; )
(24) Mr. Roger Lorton
Oct 07th, 2016 - 08:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Besides, me dear Engrish bobby...
... Kudos to my XIX century Argie compatriots that made it extremely difficult for Mr. Henry Southern, an official representant of an aggresive & belligerent Empire that unprovoked had attacked Argentina to procure information about this Country..., mantaining the profoundest reserve and telling him the wildest and most exaggerated statements, fabricated without the slightest reference to truth....
Call me naive, but I somehow Think your Engrish grandfather would have done the same thing if a German diplomat had ask him funny questions in 1939...
Context and historical perspective, laddie...
Think, you are just so full of it.
Oct 07th, 2016 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0There was no need to “attack” Argentina as Britain did very advantageous trading & investment in that country..............laddie.
Naive, is something that you are not.
Devious & sneaky, on the other hand............................
And has been known to handle the truth, carelessly.
@26
Oct 07th, 2016 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0'Context and historical understanding laddie...'...I couldn't agree more Think, so you are going to drop your 1833 usurpation twaddle are you ? After all, Argentina stole off Spain and if GB stole of Argentina as you maintain, then that was they way things were achieved back then they were all at it.
You see, you just need a little context and historical understanding laddie...
That's what's sorely missing in your imaginary works...
What is good for the goose. ...
(29) isolde, dahling
Oct 07th, 2016 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please educate yoursef...:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-French_blockade_of_the_Río_de_la_Plata
(30) Mr. James Marshall
Why sould I “drop” the historically well documented (by both sides) armed attack and usurpation of the Malvinas Islands by the British Empire in 1833...?
I'm no historical negationist as some others in here appear to be...
Did I hit a nerve? Here's another one from the US Agent Baylies in 1832 Think
Oct 07th, 2016 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0July 24th, Baylies, authorised to negotiate a commercial treaty if he thinks it appropriate, writes to Secretary Livingston opposing the idea; “… for we should abide by it, and they would consider the violation of a treaty no
greater offence than a lie told by schoolboy. With the Bey of Tripoli or the Emperor of Morocco we might for a time maintain unviolated the provisions of a Treaty but with these people if a temporary advantage could be gained they would violate a treaty on the day of its ratification.”
Argentine's have never been trustworthy.
(32) Mr. Roger Lorton...
Oct 07th, 2016 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0***“ With these people, if a temporary advantage could be gained, they would violate a treaty on the day of its ratification.”***.... wrote a certain Engrish Mr. Baylies about us Argies...
***” It is my opinion that too much has been done for the people. Under such treatment the people have grown worse instead of better, and we must now try what independent exertion, and the operation of natural causes, can do.
The problem of Irish overpopulation being altogether beyond the power of man, the cure had been supplied by the direct stroke of an all-wise Providence.”***
... Wrote a certain Engrish Sir Trevelyan, acting Treasury Minister in 1847 about them Paddys...
Two million of them died thanks the benevolent English rule...
Engrishmen have never been trustworthy....
Always a victim.
Oct 07th, 2016 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How very, very Argentinian.
(34) Skippy me dear Ozzie GLBTV...
Oct 07th, 2016 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Try to read what's written and catch up, matey...
We are talking here about them victimized white chimpanzee Paddys....
Waffle Woman.
Oct 07th, 2016 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@26. In the period 1819 to 1875, we knew much about the Irish. Argieland barely existed or he would have probably referred to it as having “human chimpanzees”. And it hasn't changed in 200 years. Except that sometimes some of the animals escape.
Oct 07th, 2016 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@28. Tempting. But you're not naive. You're stupid.
@31. A blockade is not an “attack”. Rosas was a dictator. We don't like dictators. Not even chimpanzee dictators.
@33. SIR CHARLES Trevelyan had well-known anti-Irish views. However, the Irish didn't do much to help themselves. Divorced from reality. Just like argies.
Irish=rg?
Oct 07th, 2016 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What the hell Conqueror? What did you expect the Irish to do, follow Swift's suggestion?
Oct 07th, 2016 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeahhhhhh man...
Oct 07th, 2016 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That Engrishman was right...:
“...To see white chimpanzees is dreadful”
http://cp91279.biography.com/John-F-Kennedy_The-Path-to-the-Presidency_HD_768x432-16x9.jpg
“... if they were black, one would not feel it so much”
http://cp91279.biography.com/John-F-Kennedy_The-Path-to-the-Presidency_HD_768x432-16x9.jpg
Yes Think, but why do YOU always come across as a victim?
Oct 07th, 2016 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is endlessly amusing.
“It is endlessly amusing.”
Oct 07th, 2016 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Endlessly amusing indeed. And the cheapest of entertainment, listening to the argies invent the most fantastic of tales surrounding the islands. And it is all for naught. Other than our entertainment.
China can't get its hands on Taiwan but doesn't make a daily spectacle of itself while managing to be not just economically successful but now it owns a good bit of Argentina. Finland can't get its hands on the Kirelia anymore but doesn't whinge about it day and night at the UN, but instead it manages to be enormously successful. Colombia is not likely to get its former province of Panama back but it doesn't incessantly whimper to all who are unwilling to listen, but instead has developed its economy to be greater than that of Argentina. Japan, the world's third largest economy, doesn't expect to get the Kuril Islands back anytime soon and doesn't waste the headlines bitching about it while having the semi-skilled lower primates of Argentina perform the mundane assembly of its cars and trucks.
But then there is Argentina. Friendless and impotent, avoided by serious investors and forsaken by potential trading partners, it's never going to get its mitts on the Falklands, but spends each waking hour in the sort of sob-fest theatre that alienates everyone, moaning to high heaven about something over which they have neither control nor realistic hope, as it plunges deeper and deeper in economic ruin and the enduring avoidance by the civilised peoples. Argentina, the successful world isn't crying for you, but laughing at you.
Argentina is merely sidestepping problems at home,
Oct 07th, 2016 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She knows she has no claim whatsoever, so acts like a spoilt child just for the attention.
Try to get at least some facts right Think - Baylies was American :-)
Oct 07th, 2016 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should see what your nearest neighbours think of you. Which Uruguayan President referred to you all as “thieves” ?
@44 “Which Uruguayan President referred to you all as “thieves” ?”
Oct 08th, 2016 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah, now we are dealing with contemporary events, and the charitable description of the argies as noted by their closest and friendliest neighbours.
Former Uruguyan president Batlle, 2001: ““Los argentinos son una manga de ladrones, del primero hasta el último” (The argentines are a bunch of thieves, from first to last). A subsequent Uruguyan president, Mujica, has publicly defended the self-evident accuracy of the statement.
England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Oct 08th, 2016 - 02:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Broken record, that hepathetic. But very argentine.
Oct 08th, 2016 - 03:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0(44) Mr. Roger Lorton
Oct 08th, 2016 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0... You were much more fun to chat with before you came into MercoPress payroll, lad...
Remember when you candidly defended their impartiality?
Look what you have become now, boy...
A gossip commentator mentioning some “off the record” comments from a POLITICIAN !
Anyhow...
1) Uruguayan president Batlle's “off the record” comments were directed not to Argentineans in general but to the Argentinian Menem administration in particular and..., in this humble Patagonian independent commentator, quite correct...
2) Uruguayan president Batlle's “On the Record” official apology to Argentina is quite saying...:
-You can see him crying when he apologizes and thanks Argentina for giving his parents and himself political refuge during the thirties...
-You can see him crying when he apologizes and thanks Argentina for giving him his primary education...
- You can see him crying when he apologizes and mentions his first, long term, Argentinean wife..., mother of his first two (Argentinean) children...
- You can see him crying when he apologizes and thanks Argentina for giving his sons political refuge during the seventies...
- You can even see him crying talking about Racing Club de Avellaneda... His beloved Argentinean football Club!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gdNDHoqXx0w
Context and historical perspective, laddie...
@31 Think,
Oct 08th, 2016 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0l read your link.
Very interesting, if accurate.
As convoluted as your thinking, my dear Think.
l lost track of who's who about two thirds of the way through.
l see that the “Argentine” gunners were British.
Just couldn't do without us, could they? lol!
But what has this to do with a Swede like your good self?
lts a British-French-Argentine affair, Think.
Nothing to do with you Swedes.
(44) Mr. Lorton
Oct 08th, 2016 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0By the way...
Forgot to mention that Uruguayan president Batlle's Mom was... Argentinean.
(49) Isolde, dahling...
You reached two thirds before losing track?
That pretty little mind of yours is better than I thought...
I normally lose track about halfway on those South American Soap Operas...
Two more things, for the benefit of your education...
Them gunneres were not British... they were Irish...
The Argentinean leader and Vincitor of the above mentioned conflict, Mr. Juan Manuel de Rosas ended his days as a humble farmer in Swaythling, Southampton...
http://revisionistas.com.ar/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/southampton.jpg
@50 Think,
Oct 08th, 2016 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Enough, already of your oily compliments, Think.
Your link says that the Gunners were British, didn't you read what you are touting for the truth?
Of course John Emmanuel would relocate to the UK.
Everyone has their price & things were probably getting too hot for him at home.
Wonder if his descendants are till there?
(51) Isolde, babykins...
Oct 08th, 2016 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Wiki ain't perfect...
Them gunners were Irish...
Our Argie Admiral Guillermo Brown from County Mayo would trust no Engrish...:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uzjkX9AYMYQ
I just asked a question Think.
Oct 09th, 2016 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Context and historical perspective, boyo...
:-)
Ps. Payroll? I'm missing some cheques then
Norway will return Argentina to Spain within 25 years.
Oct 11th, 2016 - 04:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hepatitis can hardly wait - powerty down to 15% and unemployment to 25%.
For Hepatitis
Oct 11th, 2016 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Before 25 years are up Argentina will cease claiming sovereignty of the Falklands/Malvinas and will request membership of the Commonwealth.
At the end of the day the UN has seen what Argentina has done to all the international fora they have attended. Paralysis while the UN focuses on a territory with 3,000 inhabitants, who basically want to be left alone is not what most countries want for the UN.
Oct 11th, 2016 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse +1The eventual need to put Argenzuela in its place and keep it from attacking the neighbours to me just seems like the waste of perfectly good tactical nuclear weapons.
Oct 11th, 2016 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse +1I guess it would have been fair for you to receive the Hugo Chavez peace prize instead of Putin.
Oct 11th, 2016 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse +2You tried to resolve sovereignty in 1982 you failed thats it Game over you don't get over a do over after a military adventure like that .
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