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Falklands' fisheries and oil issues must be discussed with the Argentine congress, warns lawmaker Carrió

Thursday, December 29th 2016 - 19:58 UTC
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All issues linked to fisheries and hydrocarbons in the Falklands/Malvinas must be discussed and approved by Congress, warned Argentina's chair of the foreign affairs committee adding that if necessary the officials involved, who ignore the legislative will be summoned and sacked with a no confidence vote and political trial. Read full article

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  • Rufus

    The Argentine congress is fully entitled to discuss the Falklands oil industry and their fisheries management policies, just as the Falkland Islanders are fully entitled to tell the Argentine congress to jam whatever decision they want where the sun don't shine* if they don't like it.

    The cold hard reality of it is that the Falklands will manage their own affairs, with the support of the UK, and Argentina can't do anything more than make things marginally more difficult (although in terms of overall difficulty drilling into an ocean floor is great enough that anything Argentina might do would only be a marginal increase).


    *and I don't mean Birmingham

    Dec 29th, 2016 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Kanye

    “Regarding foreign policy we're not going to leave the question in the hands of any foreign ministry, particularly when it is an issue which belongs to the Argentine state”, affirmed Carrió”

    That's good for a chuckle then!

    Let the Arg. Congress deal with this 'internal' Darwin matter, instead.

    Perhaps the Governor of TDF and The Malvinas should be consulted for an accord?

    Let's see how far that would get them.

    Ha ha!

    Dec 29th, 2016 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • gordo1

    I think that NOW is the right time to quote Jeremy Clarkson - “YOU LOT CAN ALL SOD OFF!”

    Dec 29th, 2016 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Fidel_CasTroll

    This a veiled response that has swept by the heads of all the above posters. They must be British.

    What the congress is saying is not that they want to control the Falklands and their territorial waters (sure many may have that “policy” goal, but must deep down know the Falklanders control and manage their stuff). What they are also saying is that there is ZERO chance of discussion of these issues with the Falklands, simply because Argentina doesn't see there is any need to discuss anything.

    The Falklanders have made it very clear THEY are the ones who want to talk about these matters, and not Argentina. Furthermore, the F.Is regardless repeat that any agreements do no affect their territorial waters... so then what would we be negotiating then?

    That is right, how Argentina behaves and operates WITHIN ITS OWN WATERS.

    Typical British landgrab, they want to control our territory and waters through these “agreements”. It's a sovereignty erosion at best, and the Congress sees right through the ploy.

    So just like any talks between Falklands and Argentina won't include sovereignty because the Faklanders so wish, so there won't be any fishery talks because Argentina does not wish it. Can the Falklanders respect this? I don't think so, they will accuse Argentina and call her all kinds of silly names. Just like the British posters that will follow this post below. :)

    Dec 30th, 2016 - 02:50 am - Link - Report abuse -6
  • Roger Lorton

    It was Argentina that made the first move via its Ambassador in London. Argentina wants investment; and it wants investment from the UK. So CasTroll, if Argentina is to get what it wants, then it'll have to give something in return or there simply won't be a deal.

    It's not about control, it's about Argentina rejoining the civilised world.

    I should add CasTroll, that your paranoia is showing.

    Dec 30th, 2016 - 03:20 am - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Fidel_CasTroll

    Asseverating that better relations with the UK, a country that invaded another country just 13 years ago without any provocation or defense pretext (and not 34 years ago), and who has just voted to completely reject international cooperation and integration with others, and who wants to expel immigrants, is a return to the civilized world... Well that is using the word “civilized” severely loosely.

    Argentina wants investment, but if that is going to be the condition then you can bet we will get the investment from others. You are not the only show in town as shocking as it may be to you in London, the diva capital of the World.

    It is about control, with Anglos it is always about control. Read on the history of how Britain buiilt its empire. IT ALL EXACTLY STARTED with “trade, investment, and limited companies”... in India, South East Asia, Africa.... then what happened?

    Argentine history books are not as innaccurate as British ones. If you like I will scan for you chapter 22 of my high school book on European History “Neanderthal Genetic Admixture in Europeans and Anglos and the rise of the European Genocidal Age of Exploitation and Enfirement”. All the facts are there.

    Dec 30th, 2016 - 04:02 am - Link - Report abuse -7
  • Roger Lorton

    “... has just voted to completely reject international cooperation and integration with others, and who wants to expel immigrants...”

    You are obviously confused CasTroll. Britain wishes to increase its international “cooperation” by removing itself from the overly protectionist EU; and we wish only to expel 'illegal' immigrants.

    We don't have an Empire any more. Changing attitudes saw it broken up in the 20th century.

    And your paranoia is STILL showing :-)

    Dec 30th, 2016 - 04:29 am - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Fidel_CasTroll

    “We don't have an Empire any more”

    And a majority over there seem to be longingly nostalgic for it.

    And that's the problem.

    Dec 30th, 2016 - 04:45 am - Link - Report abuse -7
  • Roger Lorton

    I'm nostalgic for it CasTroll. The world was a better place when we had a large chunk of it (IMHO) :-)

    Wouldn't have stood for any ArgieBargy back then - we'd have sent a boat LOL

    Dec 30th, 2016 - 04:50 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Fidel_CasTroll

    Well you did, a few times, you only remember the one time you WON, not the three times you lost....

    Dec 30th, 2016 - 04:54 am - Link - Report abuse -6
  • Roger Lorton

    1806 & 1807 was against Spanish colonists led by a Frenchman, not you. Which rather puts it at one all :-)

    Dec 30th, 2016 - 06:15 am - Link - Report abuse +6
  • gordo1

    The whole matter of the Argentine claim is false just as the constant reference to the invasions of Buenos Aires 1806 and 1807 when that city was a Spanish overseas possession. Argentina did not exist at the time.

    Dec 30th, 2016 - 06:24 am - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Fidel_CasTroll

    So then that means that the Armada wasn't the British or modern day England who beat it back, it was the then sovereign Kingdom of England who did that. So why do you all take credit.

    On the good side, you can adjure any involvement in the Counter-Armada that was a disaster militarily and economically.

    Dec 30th, 2016 - 08:11 am - Link - Report abuse -5
  • DemonTree

    @CasTroll
    You don't seem to understand what an agreement actually is. A fisheries agreement could just be sharing data on catches. Or both sides could agree to limit catches in their own waters to help preserve stocks. An agreement on oil could for example give Argentina a share of the profits in return for help with the infrastructure.

    You may as well negotiate and see what you can get before deciding it's a waste of time.

    Dec 30th, 2016 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Fidel_CasTroll

    Limit catches is a limit on sovereignty. Then if we violate it the UK could use it as a pretext for an all out invasion of Mar del Plata, and carve out a New World Gibraltar south of the city, which has always been an objective in the halls of London.

    Dec 30th, 2016 - 08:35 am - Link - Report abuse -6
  • HughJuanCoeurs

    @CasTroll
    Grow up

    Dec 30th, 2016 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Fidel_CasTroll

    I'll send you chapter 29 of my history book on European history: “Novum Porthmouth, the British Isles 400 year subterfuge for a territorial enclave in Buenos Aires Province”

    Dec 30th, 2016 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse -8
  • HughJuanCoeurs

    @CasTroll
    At the risk of repeating myself; Grow up

    Dec 30th, 2016 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse +4
  • DemonTree

    Lol. Voluntarily limiting catches does not affect sovereignty at all. Why would Britain or the FI agree to it if it did? Besides, we had an agreement before and Nestor tore it up; I didn't notice any invasions. Besides, why would we want Mar del Plata? Santa Cruz or Chubut would be much more useful.

    Dec 30th, 2016 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Brit Bob

    Regarding Falklands oil exploration, Argentine Foreign Minister Jorge Taiana stated in February 2010, that his Government would take 'all measures necessary to preserve our rights' and also reiterated that Argentina had a 'permanent claim' on the islands, saying 'Buenos Aires would complain to the UN over the oil project and might take the case to the International Courts of Justice in the Hague.' (British Drilling for Falklands Oil Threatens Argentine Relations, Pope F. 13 Feb 2010 & Potential Drilling off Falklands Provokes Tensions Between UK & Argentina IRRU News 17 Feb 2010)

    Why's it taking so long Jorge?

    Falklands – Territorial Waters: https://www.academia.edu/10574593/Falklands_Islands_Territorial_Waters

    Ah that's why...

    Dec 30th, 2016 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse +4
  • The Major

    They need investment from the UK then the UK should play hardball. Drop the claim and then we can talk until then by by stay poor. Simple as that. However who has the balls to tell them that?

    Dec 30th, 2016 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Roger Lorton

    Because I'm English CasTroll? :-)

    Dec 30th, 2016 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Fidel_CasTroll

    You don't have the balls simply because you don't have the means. Your government may ban investment in Argentina if it so wishes, but it can't ban anyone else :)

    Dec 30th, 2016 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • gordo1

    Fidel_CasTroll

    It is now accepted in England that the “defeat” of the Spanish Armada of Felipe II of Spain was mostly due to storms and serious logistical problems. But, it was a boon for Elizabeth I and Sir Francis Drake in prestige terms.

    Dec 30th, 2016 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • DemonTree

    @gordo1
    Not exactly. The Spanish Armada was hit by storms off the north west coasts of Scotland and Ireland, and what was it doing there? Trying to sail home the long way round because they had already lost the battle and didn't dare go back through the channel. The storms did do a welcome job by destroying most of the fleet though.

    @The Major
    What would be the point? They can get investment elsewhere, and it would hurt us as much as them. Plus countries with more trade ties are less likely to go to war.

    Dec 30th, 2016 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • FitzRoy

    Therefore, CasTroll, will you be handing back the £36m in foreign aid Argentina has been receiving from Britain for the last 30 years? It was meant for support in your education system, if that helps. It appears not have been spent wisely.

    Dec 30th, 2016 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • R. Ben Madison

    > I will scan for you chapter 22 of my high school book on European History “Neanderthal Genetic Admixture in Europeans and Anglos and the rise of the European Genocidal Age of Exploitation and Enfirement”. All the facts are there.

    Could you scan the chapter on how UFOs built the pyramids too?

    Dec 30th, 2016 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • DemonTree

    @CasTroll
    Actually, yes, please scan your textbook. I'd like to know what on earth they were teaching you that led you to believe everyone in Europe is a genocidal maniac.

    Dec 30th, 2016 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Pete Bog

    Fidel

    “And a majority over there seem to be longingly nostalgic for it.”

    No ,it's just that the majority don't want to be ruled by the EU empire. The British empire went years ago.

    Out current 'empire' (laughs) is the British Isles that is many l times smaller than Argentina with a fraction of the resources.

    Yet our tiny, insignificantly sized country, can afford the subs, ships and aircraft that can stop your Imperialist ambitions dead in their tracks.

    Dec 30th, 2016 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Voice

    One can afford anything...if one borrows enough...

    Dec 30th, 2016 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse -5
  • FitzRoy

    CasTroll, where did your ancestors originate? Would they have been Spanish, perchance? Care to scan the chapter about how Spanish- and Portuguese-speaking people ended up populating S. America? At least there was no-one inhabiting the Falkland Islands, apart from a few gauchos “employed” by Vernet. I say “employed” in quotes because your school books (paid for out of the foreign aid Britain sent) will tell you that they hadn't been paid for some time before the British returned to get rid of the usurpers and pirates.

    Dec 30th, 2016 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • HughJuanCoeurs

    @Voice
    Argentina knows a lot about borrowing but they haven't quite got the hang of the paying it back bit just yet.

    Dec 30th, 2016 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Roger Lorton

    “Mr. John Coleman has taken over the business lately carried on in Stanley by Mr. Voice” Falkland Islands Magazine October, 1889

    You've been around longer than I thought Voice :-)

    Dec 30th, 2016 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Troy Tempest

    Fitzroy

    “CasTroll, where did your ancestors originate? Would they have been Spanish, perchance?”

    Fitzroy,

    “Fidel” or Nostrils has always held himself as above and distinct from, the Europeans and SA Indigenous peoples.

    The Spanish and Italians may have conquered the aboriginals and settled Argentina, but none were Nostril's people.

    As someone quietly observed on MP once upon a time, Nostrils mentioned that his brother studied Hebrew.
    Who studies Hebrew?
    The Arabs and the Jewish scholars.
    Nostrils has made it clear that he does not like Muslims.
    Nothing against the Jewish people as a whole or as individuals, but Nostrils may well be that one bad apple of any group, that one encounters occasionally.

    He is critical of Europeans and “European genocides” as he puts it.
    He also holds himself as racially distinct from Europeans.

    He never criticises the role of the Jewish, or Jewish immigrants to SA, ever.

    This may well explain his own conceit and his disdain for others.

    Disclaimer:
    Before I hear the braying of shrill troll voices,

    I am not anti-Semitic. They are worthy of the same respect due any other ethnicity.

    Dec 31st, 2016 - 04:41 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Pete Bog

    @Voice

    “One can afford anything...if one borrows enough...”


    Yes, especially when the lender knows they will get all their money back.

    Dec 31st, 2016 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Hepatia

    England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.

    Jan 01st, 2017 - 04:07 am - Link - Report abuse -7
  • gordo01

    Hepatitis - and a Happy New Year to you! But not until, at least, 2042!

    Jan 01st, 2017 - 06:40 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • HughJuanCoeurs

    Poor old Hepatia. Again with the old “England will return the Malvinas within 25 years” BS.
    #1 Yes, we have no Malvinas...
    #2 England doesn't have the wherewithal to return the FALKLANDS (please learn the difference between “England” and “The United Kingdom of Great Britain”
    #3 The United Kingdom of Great Britain won't be returning the Falklands to Argentina without the express wishes and permission of the Falkland Islanders
    #4 It ain't going to happen

    #5 I hope you are based in TdF so Jeremy Clarkson's Christmas wish applies to you as well.

    Jan 02nd, 2017 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • The Voice

    Hepatitis, you were saying that 5 years ago. Isn't it now 20 years? Or, as we suspect its just just pie in the Sky?

    Done any good stone throwing or tyre burning lately?

    Jan 02nd, 2017 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Briton

    Hepatia
    England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.

    Actually, you have more chance of Argentina being returned to the Falkland islanders.
    than you have of ever celebrating your wish..

    Jan 02nd, 2017 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Marti Llazo

    It gets even funnier -- Argies going batshit over a year-end greeting message that left out the Falklands

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-38490305

    Jan 02nd, 2017 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • DemonTree

    That's nothing, the EU managed to leave the whole of Wales off a map once:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/3715512.stm

    I don't think even the craziest said it was a deliberate conspiracy though.

    Jan 03rd, 2017 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Pete Bog

    The latest joke from Argentina is the Tierra Del Fuegan governor's greetings to the Islanders claiming she is' their Governor'.

    So I guess she will soon touch down at MPA, and be driven in her official car to Stanley to issue the greetings in person, before changing all the official documents into JJ.

    And lead the celebrations that Great Britain allowed Vernet's settlers, to become Falkland Islanders, the majority of them South Americans, who clearly didn't want to return to B. A given the choice.

    I'm surprised the Islanders don't officially commemorate the day when Pinedo's British sailors refused to fight their own countrymen,( the first time in history perhaps that British people that didn't fight should become heroes?) and the majority of the South American settlers chose to become proto- Falkland Islanders, thus beginning a multi ethnic society that continues to this day.

    Much mirth thankfully, to brighten a greyish day in the English countryside.

    Jan 03rd, 2017 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Marti Llazo

    We see that due to Argentina's splendidly competent and amicable foreign policy, the population of resident Chileans in the Falkland Islands is considerably greater than that of the Argentines, and the Chileans earn a great deal more than the average income in Argentina (on average, I am told, more than double the average wage in Argentina -- perhaps an islander can confirm that). But this presence is really not so surprising, given Chile's long historical association and close links with the Falklands. Many families in southern Chile have connections to present and former Falklands residents. Chile provides the flights to the islands and more commerce than any other Latin American country. Chile supplies the Falklands with wood and other construction materials, dairy products, meat, sundry household goods, and other items (and most importantly, beer). From what I understand, the Falklands' television station is owned and operated by a chileno. The increasing numbers of chilenos in the islands has resulted in Chile's government leaning toward greater willingness to support transportation and commerce between Chile and the islands. Clearly, the Falklands' future is tied much more closely to Chile than to Argentina. In fact it might be said that Argentina is becoming increasingly irrelevant.

    Jan 03rd, 2017 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Hepatia

    England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.

    Jan 05th, 2017 - 02:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • gordo1

    Hepatitis

    You clearly have a problem - you are forever postponing your prediction! In other words you are accepting that your original 25 years is now 30 years - right? Of course, it's never going to happen - but, still!

    Jan 05th, 2017 - 06:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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