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New Year greetings to Falkland Islanders from Tierra del Fuego governor, “your governor”
Rosana Bertone, governor of Argentina's extreme south province, officially Tierra del Fuego, Antarctica and South Atlantic Islands, which obviously includes the Falklands, included in her New Year greetings a message to the Islanders calling for peace and understanding leaving aside fear and mistrust. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWhat a silly woman! Just provoking the situation!
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse +7“Greetings from your would-be ruler!”
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse +11I was going to say that if she doesn't want them to feel fear and mistrust she could try not provoking those feelings. But really, however nicely you do it, if you tell a bunch of people that you plan to annex their land without their consent, that is the natural result.
“I am also your governor and my desire is to do all that I can to achieve your wellbeing.”
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse +7No you are not the governor in any shape, size or form. Here is my New Year's greeting to you. The second word is “off” and there is a multiplicity of good, solid, Anglo Saxon words that could precede it. I'll leave you to decide which one.
Erm… A full Jeremy to you madam.
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse +6Rosana is an inspirational leader and I know her well from some investments I have in Tierra del Fuego. In reality, we are all brothers and sisters in the South Atlantic (everybody knows the Malvinas are not a high priority for the UK anyway) and we should respect what she says. Love and Peace to all our brothers and sisters in Las Malvinas!
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse -12You're not my governor. HE Colin Roberts is my Governor. So, please, sod off (to paraphrase Jeremy)!
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse +9They don't get any brighter :-)
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse +7As far as I recall, didn't the Falkland Islanders have a little event in 2013 aimed at telling argieland about their status? Aren't there 1200+ British forces personnel on the Islands to ensure that the Islanders' wishes are respected?
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse +9Ooh, Diego claims to have friends in high places. Wasn't Bertone the one who was complaining the routine military exercises were Britain 'militarising the South Atlantic'?
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse +8This is no where as bad as naming a piece of land which is not even yours and no one recognizes as yours after your LIVING and CURRENT head of state. Even the most banana of banana republics will name a park, or school, or hospital at MOST after a sitting leader/dictator. Ever heard of any nation no matter how despotic naming an entire province or state after the living leader? Even the Russians waited after Lenin had died, as did the Vietnamese for Ho Chi Minh. Even the Cubans and North Koreans haven't named any places after Kim Il-Sung or Fidel Castro.
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse -9What a f---ing embarrassment, isn't it Marti Llazo?
Who do you think the Philippines is named after, CasTroll?
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse +5and what about Turkey, CasTroll?
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse +4Well..., well..., well...
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse -7One of the seldom comments of our official resident Argie Troll where he ain't just trolling but plain right...
A completely archaic...(but very telling) British Colonial wish of naming territories that doesn't belong to them after their reigning monarchs...
By the way...
Get well soon Lizzy..., you young lass...
But that chunk of Antarctica DOES belong to the UK Think, which Argieland will discover 30 seconds after the Antarctic Treaty breaks .... which it will, eventually.
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse +8Perhaps they chose the name to fit in with Queen Maud Land and its subdivisions Princess Martha Coast, Princess Astrid Coast, Princess Ragnhild Coast, Prince Harald Coast and Prince Olav Coast?
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse +7I think it's a little daft giving it a name at all, personally. I don't want to see wars fought over Antarctica, or people destroying it drilling for oil and mining. But I'm afraid Roger Lorton is right and it will happen some day.
“Because I am convinced that the full exercise of our sovereignty ”
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +7Except that they are no indicators of that on the Falkland Islands. No Argy air force at MPA (not that there is an Argy airforce anymore), no Argy Navy at Mare's Harbour, No government documents in Spanish, or with the words Malvinas on them, traffic drive on the left of the road, not aware that this so called governor is present during Legislative Council meetings, she is not present during Liberation Day, Armistice Day, Battle Day. And if she is governor, why wasn't she on the Falkland Islands to deliver her message?
Again, as another poster used to say, Argentina, the gift that keeps on giving much mirth.
She might as well say she is the Lord Mayor of London.
Argentina , a country still (despite Macri), in serious psycotic denial.
Anglo Turnip HughJuanCoeurs..., some posts above...
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse -7Turkey was NOT named after Ali Rıza oğlu Mustafa... aka Mustafa Kemal Atatürk...
As a matter of fact, Ali Rıza oğlu Mustafa... aka Mustafa Kemal Atatürk named himself after them Turks...
It looks as if your geographical, historical and political skills need a bit of honing....indeed...
What a Turnip...
We're not likely to find any very recent examples of large territories named after people, most places already have agreed-upon names these days. But that Prince and Princess naming scheme gave me a good laugh anyway. ;)
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +2- “”“ We're not likely to find any very recent examples of large territories named after people, most places already have agreed-upon names these days”“”... - except for the very recent Engrish naming of some 437,000-square-kilometre of Antarctic Territory as Queen Elizabeth Land after the German Queen of England...
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse -7The Secretary of State for Foreign and Colonial Affairs, William Hague, said that the naming was “a fitting tribute at the end of Her Majesty's Diamond Jubilee year”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth_Land#History
'Bertone' a nice native Amerindian name...NOT.
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse +6Go back to whatever European country kicked you out and stay there...and give the land you stole back to the native Amerindians...at least the one's you haven't actually murdered yet.
The “greeting” from Bertone managed to cause a good bit of damage to the islanders' already low regard for Argenzuela, and set back Argentina's colonisation effort by another hundred years. Bertone's present colony is to be appropriately renamed “Tierra del Fracaso.”
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +4@Think
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +4We're not likely to find any OTHER very recent examples, for comparison purposes. There are a few not so recent examples. Queen Maud land was named after the then-current Queen Consort of Norway, which is not hugely different.
Why do you always write 'Engrish' anyway?
“Engrish” is an old term used to describe attempts, mostly by folks in East Asia, to understand, write, and properly pronounce English words. It is now used by other tiny people who are insanely envious of the pervasive international success of the British.
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +4https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/15/83/70/158370e120a2b68fa4657b784bb96cb1.jpg
In Antarctica you have to drive on the left, the postage stamps have Queen Elizabeths portrait on them, place names are invariably English as is the language most commonly used. Just like home really..
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +7Sorry Think and other turnips :-)
Your Governor
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +5perhaps the islanders should take this Tierra del Fuego governor,
to the ICJ and demand they Prove that statement..
@TheVoice “In Antarctica you have to drive on the left,...”
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Depends where you are in the territory covered by the treaty. If you're on King George Island (South Shetlands), even though it's a British territory and there is very little “traffic” on the roads (and much of it is with tracked vehicles even in summer) the convention adopted by operators there seems to be driving on the right. Chile has the largest presence on that island and they run the air-base for everyone's benefit, they have the largest number of motor vehicles on the island, and they seem to have set the standard. There seems to be good cooperation on this point.
That island was discovered and claimed by Britain in 1819 and is now part of the British Antarctic Territory.
But the newspapers, radio stations, schools, and the police (military) are all argies. So have fun with your “stamps” lol.
Jan 04th, 2017 - 03:55 am - Link - Report abuse -4The stamps make money, everything Argentina does there costs them. It is of no consequence. When the Antarctic Treaty breaks the British will carve up the Peninsula with the USA. Argentina will get shafted in the rush.
Jan 04th, 2017 - 05:47 am - Link - Report abuse +4I declare myself as Emperor of The Land of Fire. There you have it, all nice and legal.
Jan 04th, 2017 - 06:33 am - Link - Report abuse +2There will nothing carved but a big hole where Big Ben used to stand if the USA and Britain try to pull that off in Antarctica. You think “others” will just sit idle. Argentina can just sit pretty watch everyone else self-destruct, then just go in and sweep the bones away. :)
Jan 04th, 2017 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse -7More likely China will conveniently 'find' an old map showing that actually they discovered Antarctica first, and claim the whole lot.
Jan 04th, 2017 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse +2Argentina is impotent CasTroll - never forget it
Jan 04th, 2017 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse +6Fidel
Jan 04th, 2017 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +4“There will nothing carved but a big hole where Big Ben used to stand if the USA and Britain try to pull that off in Antarctica”
Your Tucano fighters can now carry bombs on a 14 000 mile round tip from B.A can they?
Or will your diesel subs launch the fatal weapon to destroy London?
Thanks for the laugh mate.
She doesn't look old enough to remember the last time the Falklands were invaded
Jan 04th, 2017 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Nostrils, your canoes cant make it London. Why not send the Liberturd, it made it to Liverpool recently but the locals swiped all the copper plates on its bottom. A large part of Antarctica is our 15th overseas territory.
Jan 04th, 2017 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Aw poor Tobias the troll.
Jan 04th, 2017 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Making impotent threats. Just who are these 'others' of whom you speak?
Are they the same ones who were going to do 'something' back in 2013 when the Falkland Islands had there referendum. You know where you were telling people to wait and see what happened...and then nothing did?
The British claim to much of the Antarctic predates many of these 'others'.
But lets face it. Should the Antarctic treaty fail, and countries start queuing up to exploit it's natural resources, the country who is able to provide suitable places for workers to live, equipment and refineries to be set up would do well, wouldn't they?
You know, places like the South Shetland Islands, South Georgia and the Falklands (plus the other South Atlantic Territories). I mean those territories would become vital to supply companies, house their workers, even have their refineries. Imagine the revenue the country who owned those territories would get!
Imagine the wealth that would go to the people that lived in those territories!
Isn't that the REAL reason Argentina is trying to steal British South Atlantic territories? You must all be drooling at the mouth at the thought that you could get your hands on such a 'cash cow'.
Fortunately the Antarctic treaty is still in place, and I hope it remains in place indefinitely, but should it ever expire, the UK and the Falkland Islands will be amongst the 1st to benefit...from all the countries that have a claim...because they'll all need to use those territories.
And Argentina is just too far away...and far too corrupt...so corrupt that no country or company in their right mind would let you anywhere near their ventures.
And that includes your good 'buddies' Russia and China.
Demon Tree
Jan 04th, 2017 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +3“More likely China will conveniently 'find' an old map showing that actually they discovered Antarctica first, and claim the whole lot”.
If you read Gavin Menzies '1421' you will find that 'apparently' the Chinese under Admiral Hong Bao 'discovered' and explored Antarctica, South Shetlands, Patagonia and yes the Falkland Islands themselves in the years 1421-1423.
LEPRecon, the real reason we want those islands is to teach Brits that they are not better than us, and they should not mess with us.
Jan 05th, 2017 - 01:15 am - Link - Report abuse -4England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Jan 05th, 2017 - 02:52 am - Link - Report abuse -6Did she send greetings to the exterminated native peoples of Tierra del Fuego, reminding them of the glories of uninvited Argentine sovereignty claims?
Jan 05th, 2017 - 03:45 am - Link - Report abuse +6“I want this message to reach you, you that live in the Malvinas Islands. Because ...... I am also your governor ....................”
Jan 05th, 2017 - 05:57 am - Link - Report abuse +3Does she even realize how offensive commentary like that is to the people of the Falkland Islands?
The right of self-determination for all peoples is enshrined in UN law. When Argentina makes statements assuming sovereignty over territories it does not own, it is trying to deny the Falklanders this right, and therefore it is breaking the law.
Yet it has the audacity to declare UN support for its claim.
The UK, the FIG and other freedom loving countries can write commentary like this off as the ravings of an indoctrinated crackpot. But we do this at our peril because there is a persistent flow of bombastic commentary like this coming from Argentina and this attitude will morph into a threat to peace in the region. The world has seen this sort of bullying behaviour many times before, Nazi Germany started off timidly and then became embolden when it realised that no one was calling its bluff. The UK should refuse to have any dealings with Argentina until it ceases its antagonism, in all its forms, towards the Falkland’s.
And, for the sake of its town security and wellbeing, Argentina needs to stop this nonsense. It is one thing to be regarded as an International joke quite another to be seen as a threat to world peace.
@MagnusMaster
Jan 05th, 2017 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse +3So the ONLY way YOU and other Argentine people can feel 'good' about yourselves is to steal?
You have a real problem don't you?
The only person on here who states that the British are better than Argentines is YOU. And because YOU feel inferior, YOU then state the ONLY way you can make yourself feel better, and stronger and less afraid is to steal things that don't belong to you and enslave the population that has existed on the islands long before Argentina existed, certainly long before you butchered the native Amerindians and stole Patagonia.
As for not 'messing' with you, what could you do IF we did decide to 'mess' with you? Cry? Crawl away? Beg someone to come to your aid?
Because let's face it, you couldn't defeat the UK in 1982 when your military was at its strongest and best equipped, so you wouldn't stand a snowflakes chance in hell against the British should we decide to take your impotent threats seriously and attack.
So go and make an appointment with a counsellor and get to work on your low self esteem issues. Why? Because people like YOU are the real problem with Argentina. You see problems all around you but instead of facing them and WORKING to fix those problems, you'd rather blame someone else and try to steal something to make you feel better.
I promise you, MagnusMaster, that even if the UK gave Argentina the Falklands wrapped in a big bow Argentina would still be a basket case, a failed country. And it's all your fault, because you are too lazy to do anything to fix it.
MM
Jan 05th, 2017 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse +4“LEPRecon, the real reason we want those islands is to teach Brits that they are not better than us, and they should not mess with us.”
The Falkland Islanders run their country better than you do, and that's leaving the UK out of the equation.
The Brits don't want to mess with you, your country has made an absolute mess of itself without anyone else's help.
The real reason you want the Islands is that you are imperialists, high on Peron's doctrine, itself derived from Mussolini and Hitler.
What bloody cheek !!! Rosana & Macarena, as they say here, you are both “bonitinhas mas ordinárias” or, you are both “quite pretty but quite stupid”...
Jan 05th, 2017 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse +4If Ms Bertone ever pays a visit to “her” islanders, I'll insure her life before she goes.
Jan 05th, 2017 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse +4It looks like a good investment.
LEPRecon, you said that British are better than Argentines when you said:
Jan 05th, 2017 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse -3“As for not 'messing' with you, what could you do IF we did decide to 'mess' with you? Cry? Crawl away? Beg someone to come to your aid?
Because let's face it, you couldn't defeat the UK in 1982 when your military was at its strongest and best equipped, so you wouldn't stand a snowflakes chance in hell against the British should we decide to take your impotent threats seriously and attack.”
I am not blaming the British for our problems. But one of our problems, and the biggest problems of them all, is that you Brits have the power to wipe out us, that you can force us what to think, what to believe, what language to speak, and hence you think you are superior to us. I confront the UK because I want to fix ALL the problems in Argentina, and that means not to bend over to the UK and be “civilized”, but to become stronger than the UK, dominate the UK, and teach the UK NOT to stand in our way. Because for you Brits, we will always be a basket case until we are better than you.
“...we will always be a basket case until we are better than you...
Jan 06th, 2017 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse +4I'm not holding my breath for that one.
”we will always be a basket case” (punto final).
Así es.
@MagnusMaster
Jan 06th, 2017 - 01:05 am - Link - Report abuse +5What rubbish. Nuclear missiles are for defence against bigger foes, whatever people here say. As for the rest, it's nonsense. No one is forcing you on what to think, what to believe, or what language to speak. None of your problems are due to the UK anyway, you need to look a lot nearer to home than that.
Wow, you Falkland Islanders are lucky, according to Argentina, your new Governor is a Mother and Daughter team, Rosana and Macarena Bertone!
Jan 06th, 2017 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse +4Won’t that beautiful picture of Mother and daughter look splendid gracing the Public Buildings in Stanley and elsewhere? I wonder which one is mom? But I don’t know what HM the Queen will say, I suspect that she won’t be amused.
They even sent you guys New Year’s Greetings, how enlightened is that? But it seems that the message was conveyed by way of electronic media, Rosana, your new Govy hasn’t actually travelled to the Falklands to deliver the message to ‘her people’ in person. But she is booked in for a new spine and as soon as she has achieved a full recovery and worked out where the Falklands are, she will be right over.
Of course, it will be a bit embarrassing for her and her entourage when she arrives and nobody knows who she is and when she discovers that the Falklands already have a functioning Government with their own (British) version of a Governor, complete with all the usual trappings of a BOT. But hey, she is Argentine so she will be used to looking like a complete goose on the International stage.
Mr. DemonTree
Jan 06th, 2017 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse -6You say...:
“What rubbish. Nuclear missiles are for defence against bigger foes, whatever people here say.”
I say...:
Opinions, statements and experiences of many other people seem to diverge from your opinion...
http://belgranoinquiry.com/article-archive/british-use-of-nuclear-weapons
MagnusMaster
Jan 06th, 2017 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse +3LEPRecon, the real reason we want those islands is to teach Brits that they are not better than us,
Your right, Britain is not better than Argentina,
it just happens that Argentina is worse than Britain..lol
@Think
Jan 06th, 2017 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse +4If Britain had used nuclear weapons against Argentina in 1982 there's no way anyone would have thought it was justified. Wouldn't other countries have treated Britain as a rogue state? I don't see how anyone could have thought it was a viable strategy, even if we ignore the moral issues.
But I was actually taking about certain posters here, who seem disturbingly fond of imagining nuking Buenos Aires or similar. You don't actually think this has any basis in reality do you?
Nope..., not today...
Jan 07th, 2017 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse -3Not so sure about Maggie's time, though...
There are nukes and there are nukes. And some nukes can be “dialed” in near real time for less than full yield (whoops, that used to be a classified point). “Demonstration” tactical nuke strikes are included in many war plans that are currently on the shelves. Bs As as a population centre doesn't make sense as a demonstration target. But a remote weapons site or a military C4I centre far from a populated area might under some conditions find itself in a tactical nuke crosshairs. On the other hand, demonstration strikes well inside a country's frontiers using conventional warheads on ship- or submarine-launched cruise missiles can break just enough of the good china to get the proper attention, and without large loss of motochorros. Argentina need not worry about such things anyway, since it offers less than half the offensive capacity of Monaco.
Jan 07th, 2017 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse +5@Think
Jan 07th, 2017 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Were you worried about it at the time?
But I'm glad to see you agree there is no chance of it happening today.
@ML
What hasn't changed is people's belief that nuclear weapons are a special kind of evil, so I think the reactions to your two scenarios would be quite different.
Also the only target in Argentina at all likely to be attacked by anyone is that military base China is supposedly building in Patagonia.
@DT ....Chinese base....
Jan 07th, 2017 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +2At least in theory and according to the paper agreements, the Chinese Neuquén base is supposed to be for “non military” purposes. But it is still treated with suspicion . “Attack” it? Doubtful. Maybe protests.
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1934729-la-base-militar-china-en-neuquen-no-podra-usarse-con-fines-militares
What if China is some how hoping to use this base in future Antarctic territorial claims,
Jan 07th, 2017 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +5after all, is China to be trusted.
@ Briton “What if China is some how hoping to use this base in future Antarctic territorial claims,”
Jan 07th, 2017 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Neuquén is a long ways from Antarctica. And the Chinese already have a very substantial and much more relevant base in that region. Much nicer than the argie base on the same island, too.
Cheers Marti Llazo
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