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Scotland links Brexit negotiations to a second independence referendum
Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has warned Prime Minister Theresa May that she is not “bluffing” on the promise of a second independence referendum if Scotland is “driven off a hard Brexit cliff”. In an interview with BBC's Andrew Marr she felt the prime minister had “no plan” in terms of her strategy for the UK leaving the EU. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesSupport for a second referendum has less support than the first at the moment..she knows it, we know it and I'm sure May knows it...
Jan 09th, 2017 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse +2Go for it, commit political suicide...
Scotland's deficit reached almost £15 billion in the last financial year after revenues from North Sea oil and gas fell by more than 50%, figures have revealed.
Jan 09th, 2017 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +3The Scottish Government published its latest data on revenue and expenditure, which showed a deficit of £14.9 billion for 2014-15 when a geographic share of North Sea revenues is allocated to Scotland.
That amounts to 9.7% of Scottish GDP, compared with the overall UK deficit of 4.9% of GDP.
North Sea revenue fell from more than £10.9 billion in 2011-12 to less than £4.8 billion in 2013-14, before dropping to £2.25 billion last year, according to the data.
Ooooh. Sturgeon got a magic wand?
So what... isn't freedom worth it? Brexiters kept saying freedom from the EU was worth any possible costs, so why doesn't the same moral principle apply for the Scots?
Jan 09th, 2017 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile lets not forget the first rule in politics: when a government has to come out to deny anything in public, one can safely assume that whatever was denied is actually so!
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/uks-denies-government-muddled-eu-exit-44631021?yptr=yahoo
Doomed
@FC
Jan 09th, 2017 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +2It's not all about money. Not entirely surprisingly, there is a substantial overlap in Scotland between those who voted for independence, and those who voted to leave the EU. And some of those apparently think leaving the EU is more important than leaving the UK.
Besides, how much freedom do you really have if you're poor, either as an individual or a country? Do YOU think freedom is worth any possible cost?
Second indy ref around first quarter in 2019, - This next YES campaign is statring with a massive increase than what it had in 2012 for the last Indy ref. I see the comments so far on here are all standard UK MSM propaganda we are fed from all UK TV and news papers.
Jan 09th, 2017 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Watch this space regarding Scotland and our Independence.
Silly wee lassie! All mouth and no ideas - leading to .................?
Jan 09th, 2017 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Wonder Woman! Bahahaha… the majority of Scots have more sense. Look forward to her having a go. St Theresa won't give an inch.
Jan 09th, 2017 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse +1So it's a case of “Do as the Scots say - or else”. If I was Theresa May I'd be inclined to call Nicola Sturgeon's bluff. I find it very difficult to understand the SNP's position on wanting to leave the union with England but desperate to remain in the European Union. I actually do have a good idea why this is the case; England tends to be quite a conservative country and often elects a Conservative Govt. whereas Scotland is a much more socialist country and the politics of the EU (which is also more socialist in its outlook) better accords with the politics of the SNP.
Jan 09th, 2017 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +5The Voice. TM can not give an inch, and NS knows this. NS is playing TM very well.
Jan 09th, 2017 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The WM gov will have no grounds to try and deny a second independence Ref in Scotland, as it will be the 'last resort' concidering the WM Gov will have rejected all other options the Scots Gov has offered.
Also for those of you who (evidently) take GERS as gospel, - Please use the information in this link to educate yourselves.
http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-six-key-facts-about-gers/
Escoses Doidão...
Jan 09th, 2017 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Long time no speak..., me dear petiço...
We may not agree about the future of the Malvinas Isles..., but we surely do about bonnie Alba's...
Scotland leaving the UK would be great for the south -- eliminating the expense of supporting them, and ridding Parliament of their gang of leftist MPs. Unfortunately, most of the Scots know they couldn't live as well without the aid they're getting from the rest of the country -- they aren't about to leave.
Jan 09th, 2017 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +4The South-East already has too much influence and the government has ignored the problems of the rest of the UK for far too long. Scotland leaving would just make this worse.
Jan 09th, 2017 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Think, you don't get or believe in Self Determination do you?
Jan 09th, 2017 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +2For a start the natives of your land would be delighted to expel you Spanish Italian Nazi and Norwegian squatters, but they cant because you lot practically wiped them out. No self determination for them!
If Nichola's lot want their independence via self determination they shall have it and the rest of the UK will be £4 billion per annum better off!
The Falkland Islanders voted for self determination too, yet you, as a prize squatter dismiss it? Why is that from your squatters point of view?
Educate yourself, and stop argueing inconsistently, it makes you look look like the gold standard prize turnip you undoubtably are. Your motives appear totally transparent like the space inside your skull :-)
Nice legs - shame about the boat-race
Jan 09th, 2017 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse -2A Scotsman, Englishman and an Irishman walked into a bar...
Jan 09th, 2017 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse -3They all had to leave because the Englishman wanted to...
Absolutely Scotland should have another referendum. And again if need be.
Jan 10th, 2017 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse +2If Scotland goes independent, it will become a needy economic basket case. With 70% of its trade with rUK it will be at rUKs calling.
If it doesn't go independent it destroys the SNP for the long term and wrecks the continued brinkmanship.
A Scotsman, Englishman and an Irishman walked into a bar...
Jan 10th, 2017 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not very original…
https://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/4q355h/an_englishman_a_scotsman_and_an_irishman_walk/
UK debt £1.5 trillion and climbing with interest payments at £86 million per day pales any problem Scotland has on a deficit.
Jan 10th, 2017 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse -1The UK has been bankrupt led by Westminster at least a dozen times since the 1900s, the £ has dropped 20% since the referendum, the increasing costs for petrol, gas, electricity higher prices for imports are testimony to the result. the UK has never in its history ever paid off its deficit nor any other country for that matter! a £12 to £15 billion deficit is positively the cream on top of the cake by comparison to Westminster £1.5 trillion and they can`t even make the interest payments.I doubt Sturgeon has a magic wand! but clearly May needs a miracle worker.
do as we say or else? No! you discuss with your equal partners as Scots are told of their great importance to the UK (which any right minded person know is utter bull) not dismissed out right, no special deals for Scotland but one for Northern Ireland, London, the car industry in England, Gibraltar, and even the Falkland Islands, can`t have different parts of the UK with hard border with the EU why not? Northern Ireland, Gibraltar have for a start, many Scots will welcome the Tories coming to sort us out! voting for the Union was one thing Scots will never vote Tory the last election where Unionists Tory and Labour had one seat each from 54, Labour were hammered not because they were pro union but because they shared the same platform with the Tory.
It has nothing at all to do with England being conservative and all to do with the Tory being anti Scottish and of course you realise the UK was broke when they joined the EU? the UK told all its Commonwealth to find new markets for their goods so if Westminster is right on the deficit and all the rest clearly the UK has prospered in the EU?
and as less support for Independence if true (I don`t think it is) do not make the mistake in assuming Scots will vote Tory to save the union Labour did that and were annihilated at the polls
Would any of the Brexit voters here have voted to stay in if 70% of the UK's trade was with the EU? I bet there's not a single one.
Jan 10th, 2017 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse +1@Oder 1001
“do not make the mistake in assuming Scots will vote Tory to save the union”
By all means, feel free not to vote Tory. What do you think of Corbyn?
“The South-East already has too much influence”
Jan 10th, 2017 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse -1Not for long, now that the odds of London having an economic meltdown are tied to the 8 in 10 chance that that city will lose it's EU finance passport. And London is not about to replace New York or Charlotte in the USA, Hong Kong in Asia, Sao Paulo in Latin America, for all those workers in finance.
When you lose your passport, the floor will be taken under that city's economy.
@ Oder 1001. Actually in the Scottish national parliamentary vote the Scottish Tories performed quite well - second only to the SNP. It is only the crazy first past the post voting system for the Westminster parliament that skews the vote so heavily in favour of the SNP in Scotland. There are quite a lot of Conservative-leaning voters in Scotland - but more south of the border.
Jan 10th, 2017 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse +1@FC
Jan 10th, 2017 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse +1Maybe there will actually be a silver lining. If London loses the massive financial market then the UK as a whole will be poorer, but it might give the rest of the country, including Scotland, more chance to develop. Income inequality is way too high in the UK now, it's bad for society.
The banks will move only whats necessary to Europe, much of it is already in place. Banksters don't want to move to Frankfurt or Paris and get entangled in red tape. Besides that who wants to swap Frankfurt for London? The South East isnt just the City either. The South East is a magnet for ambitious people. Mrs T's scrapping of the IDC in the early 80's unleashed it.
Jan 10th, 2017 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not just London...all the hangers on in the South...Yay...
Jan 10th, 2017 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse -2The South East...huh...nothing without London...yay again...;-)
DemonTree
Jan 10th, 2017 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -1read the last line in my post! labour were dumb enough to think Scots will vote labour rather than for the SNP they got it wrong , suggest Tories don`t make the same mistake.
What, no Brexiteers stepping up to say they would have voted Remain if the EU received 70% of the UK's trade instead of 44%?
Jan 10th, 2017 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse +1What a surprise. If you wouldn't do it, why do you think the Scots will?
@The Voice
Depends if the banks want to keep serving customers in the EU. There's almost no chance the EU will agree to allow financial passporting to continue; even Switzerland don't have that and they are in the single market and do allow free movement.
@Oder 1001
Didn't the Tories gain a couple of seats in the last election? I guess it will depend on a few factors since there is a left vs right split there as well as a nationalist vs unionist one.
Besides, Corbyn wasn't leading Labour at the last election and his ideas and policies are rather different from Milliband's. You don't think it makes any difference?
a Tory government voted in by Scots? your kidding yourself on, the Tories have 31% of the British vote, the SNP have over 45% in Scotland, Labour like the Tories have one seat each the SNP 56 out of total of 59 at Westminster, as for the number of seats at Holyrood the Tories have 31 the SNP 63, the Tories are not a force in Scottish politics , while they have 4 more seats than labour that makes them the opposition but that is far as they will go, Corbin ? far as Scotland is concerned is as useless as Miliband Labour has no chance anytime soon of winning back the Scots! both Labour and Tories are lame ducks the Scots will not be vote for either in any future government at Holyrood as Scots know they are nothing more than the branch office from London HQ.
Jan 11th, 2017 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0I thought this woman was much funnier when she dressed up in the schoolboy outfit
Jan 11th, 2017 - 07:15 am - Link - Report abuse -2CHUBUT BURNING...
Jan 13th, 2017 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse +1- 200 TROOPS ATTACK, BY ORDER OF THE MACRI ADMINISTRATION, A MAPUCHE TRIBE FIGHTING FOR THEIR ANCESTRAL LAND RIGHTS AGAINST A MULTINATIONAL ABSENTEE LANDOWNER...
https://www.pagina12.com.ar/13985-historia-de-la-tapa-dispararon-sin-decir-palabra
In the meantime..., MercoPress... the self-titled “South Atlantic News Agency”..., informs us about...:
Labour backing freedom of movement after Britain quits the European Union...
UK/Uruguay double taxation agreement...
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Some ”South Atlantic News Agency...!
Good Job... FCO
Now Think/voice is spamming all the threads
Jan 13th, 2017 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Think
Jan 17th, 2017 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lovely. I bet it would have been reported here if the land was owned by an oil company. Did MP report similar incidents before Macri was president?
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