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Brazil states RAF Hercules flights from or to Falklands are “humanitarian motivated”

Tuesday, May 16th 2017 - 10:04 UTC
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The Brazilian government discards any “irregularities” in allowing British military aircraft, flying to or from the Falkland Islands, landing in its airports since the authorizations are humanitarian motivated, revealed a source from the Brazilian government to the Argentine news agency, Telam. Read full article

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  • Brit Bob

    I suppose the Argentinians have been quoting 'Usurpation' and various 'UN Resolutions.'

    Funny ha ha

    Falklands – 1833 Usurpations & UN Resolutions:
    https://www.academia.edu/21721198/Falklands_1833_Usurpation_and_UN_Resolutions

    May 16th, 2017 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • brirlen

    No doubt the Portuguese translation of “Humanitarian” is “running short of fuel”

    May 16th, 2017 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    TWIMC...

    Article says...:
    《”Brazil accepts the landing of aircraft for humanitarian motives. The Hercules from the RAF are catalogued that way, since they are internationally recognized as search and rescue, SAR” 》

    I say...:
    1) The Hercules C-130 J's from the RAF are NOT catalogued that way, since they are NOT Search And Rescue (SAR) planes... They are “Off the Shelf” ” C-130 J's with a range of ~3,400 km...

    2) The Hercules HC-130 J..., with a range of ~8,400 km..., on the other hand,... is indeed a Search And Rescue plane... But th RAF none of those...

    3) This information has..., of course..., already been forwarded to Itamaraty and the Brasilian Air Farce..., so they can reduce to a minimum this typical example of “Viveza Inglesa”..., lying and abusing their Brasilian hosts hospitalty and a couple of International Humanitarian Conventions... just to save some gas money...

    May 16th, 2017 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse -5
  • Pete Bog

    @Think

    ”since they are NOT Search And Rescue (SAR) planes... They are “Off the Shelf” ” C-130 J's”

    They were bought for transport but in the Falklands since the 1980s Hercules have been used in a variety of roles including tanker aircraft, and maritime reconnaissance including search and rescue, where missions would be too long for helicopters to perform.

    There is no point whatsoever in the Hercules being used for their original role, as there are longer ranged aircraft that fly the air bridge and the UK has no current desire to use Hercules as transport aircraft to ferry troops, say to Argentina.

    So the Hercules is used as a search and rescue aircraft.

    The Argentine Hercs during the 1982 war were used to bomb civilian shipping ,notably the Hercules oil tanker, (the ship), though they were not bought by the Argentine air force as bombers. It not stop them being used as bombers.

    They were also used as tankers though that was not the primary role for which they were purchased.

    The Argentine Air force bought Tucanos to serve as training aircraft, not as the front line fighters they have become.


    Therefore if the RAF wish to use the Hercules as a search and rescue aircraft, they will and they can function as such.

    May 16th, 2017 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +6
  • The Voice

    Shitstirrer fails again...

    May 17th, 2017 - 07:31 am - Link - Report abuse +4
  • EscoSesDoidao

    Noisy buggers if you are a passenger in one. (C-130's)

    May 17th, 2017 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • HughJuanCoeurs

    The Think has thunk,
    The arse has ris',
    I wonder where that Hercules is,
    The C130 is in Brazil,
    Think has tried for overkill.

    May 17th, 2017 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • FRodriguez

    At difference what “Brit Bob” has said, here is the true facts:
    http://www.malvinas-falklands.net

    May 17th, 2017 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • The Voice

    You must be joking, go and look in Argie archives and you will see the truth. Tough for people like you who appear sincere but unaware they have been brainwashed with lies since birth. You have my sympathy.

    May 17th, 2017 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • EscoSesDoidao

    'Sharky' Ward shot one down in 1982 in his SHAR. (guns)

    May 17th, 2017 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • FRodriguez

    The Voice, you are talking with someone who spent 2 years investigating in the National Archives (Argentina), also in the Spanish ones (Simancas and Indias). If you read: http://www.malvinas-falklands.net you will see what i´m talking about.
    Even the old police man uses my researches

    May 17th, 2017 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • DemonTree

    “Susana Malcorra recalled there is an agreement between South American countries, in solidarity with Argentina's sovereignty claim over the Islands, to impede the landing of aircraft heading for or coming from the Falklands.”

    And apparently Brazil could care less about sticking to it. It sounds an awful lot like they have decided to assume all Hercules flights are for humanitarian reasons unless proved otherwise. How much does a full tank of jet fuel cost anyway?

    “Brazilian diplomats have explained that the position of Brazil in not accepting regular British flights to and from the Islands is voluntary and unilateral”

    Is this a hint that Argentina should stop complaining so much if they want Brazil to continue this voluntary agreement?

    May 17th, 2017 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    Sr. Facundo D. Rodriguez...

    ”The old police(man)“... you mean...: Mr. ”Roger Lorton“...?
    Aka ”Ye auld Engrish Bobby”... uses your material...?
    Does he, at least, give you credit...?
    ;-)

    Saludos del Chubut...
    El Think...

    May 17th, 2017 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    chimp.

    You say....the C-130J has a range of 3400 km. The RAF's versions are the C4 and shorter bodied C5. Their range from MOD/RAF official sources is given as 5250 km or 3280 statute miles approx.

    RAF C-130's frequently use Prestwick Airport when flying non-stop to Canada.

    The nearest air station is at Gander in Newfoundland and this is approx 3360km from Prestwick. You say the range is 3400km Can you please explain to the uneducated in matters of aircraft how it manages to do this flight when it would run out of fuel well before landfall ?

    Also, 9 of the C-130J have been upgraded to extend their range. Presumably by Marshall's of Cambridge who renovate and customise C-130's for various air force customers.

    C-130J HERCULES Specifications (differences from K version)
    Crew 2 Pilots and 1 Loadmaster
    Engines Four Allison AE 2100D3 turboprops
    Max Speed 355kts
    Range 3,700 nautical miles
    Max Altitude 32,00ft
    Length 34.34m
    Span 40.38m

    Any aircraft flying over the sea or land looking for debris or survivors can be designated SAR.

    May 17th, 2017 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    As the Lowland Gorilla just above rightly points out...:

    《“Any aircraft flying over the sea or land looking for debris or survivors can be designated SAR.”》

    That's precisely what the Engrish are doing in the South Atlantic...
    Falsely designating their limited range Hercules transport planes as SAR...to cheat themselves to some “Humanitarian Landing Permissions” in Brasil..., to transport military equipment...

    Cheap “Viveza Inglesa”... indeed...!
    Well spotted Lowland Gorilla...!
    Keep the good work...!

    May 17th, 2017 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • The Voice

    Shitstirrer fails again! Let's face it other SA nations humour Argies and snigger when they stab them in the back. ;-)))

    May 18th, 2017 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Clyde15

    Chimp.

    Point 1
    “limited range”. Define that in this context.
    You have NOT answered the question about the aircraft's range I made in my previous post.

    How can it fly the Atlantic non-stop with the range you quote. Do they use magic beans to supplement the fuel capacity?

    Point 2
    Brazil allows items.......
    ” which include the support and maintenance of SAR equipment which the British have in the Islands)” It could include parts for the SAR helicopters

    How do YOU know what is in the cargo holds of RAF C-130's ?

    If the Brazilian Air Force is happy.....end of story.

    Another technical point, turboprop engines are fuelled by AVTUR..a pure grade of kerosine.

    The Americanism of gas refers to petrol which is used in piston engines.

    May 18th, 2017 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    Lowland Gorilla..., three posts above...

    Let's settle this Royal Air Farce Hercules range disagreement once and for all...

    1) The RAF is currently flying 24 standard Hercules C-130J's..., with a standard factory range of ~1,800 nmi (2,071 mi, 3,334 km) at max normal payload (34,000 lb or 15,400 kg)...

    2) Only NINE (9) of those RAF Standard Hercules C-130J's have been retrofitted in Engeland with EXTERNAL FUEL TANKS..., extending their range to around 3,000nm / 5,550km...
    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/raf-hercules-get-extended-range-upgrade-410303/

    3) NONE of those NINE (9) EXTERNAL FUEL TANK retrofitted Hercules C-130J''s has been EVER photographed in Brasil or based in the Malvinas Islands...

    Learn to read evidence..., lad...
    Educate yourself...
    Best regards...

    El Think...

    May 18th, 2017 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • The Voice

    Shitstirrer, the Brazilians don't care, you and your Brook Street colleagues should educate yourselves. You are viewed as untrustworthy neighbours to be scorned and ignored.

    May 18th, 2017 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Roger Lorton

    I do? Would that FR be Facundo Rodriquez? If so yes, I make many references to the book that he and Kohen fabricated. There were a few useful points, very few, and many distortions. Which I have exposed. Simple enough - take the pdf here - https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/falklands-history.pdf

    and then run a search on Kohen & Rodriquez. Easy.

    Exposing frauds is what I do. Life used to be easier - back then I could just bang them up.

    :-)))

    May 18th, 2017 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    Geeeeeeeee...., lad...

    I do hope your “evidence” for banging up Engrish people in the last century... was waaaaay more visible than the “evidence” you use today to “expose fraud”...
    I can't see any...

    By the way... It spells RODRIGUEZ..., not RODRIQUEZ...

    May 18th, 2017 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tallison46

    Argentina is really missing the boat on tourist dollars with their foolish position on the Falkland Islands.....

    May 18th, 2017 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Clyde15

    Regarding to your post above. I could almost hear the crowing from here.

    You drag things out and post with only a superficial knowledge of what you are talking about
    However, I would draw your attention to BELOW.

    I am not disputing the range with maximum payload . I am talking about the aircraft's MAX. range in ferrying mode. In SAR mode the cargo bay would be practically empty and the range would be just slightly less than in ferry mode.

    The RAF give range as 3000nm...3,600 statute miles for both C4/5 models of the C-130J

    Have a look at the RAF Handbook where the statistics are shown. Also

    https://www.raf.mod.uk/equipment/herculesc1c3.cfm

    The ferry range is shown as “ The maximum unrefuelled ferry range is 3500nmls,”

    This refers to the fleet ! Not only the ones fitted for tanks by Marshalls.

    I am sure that Brook Street can supply you with a copy of this info.

    Failing that, you could buy a copy of Jane's all the World's Aircraft for $1,100.00 and find out for yourself.

    Learn and read ALL the evidence laddie. I fear that educating you is a hopeless task as I frequently find out.

    I got a bargain at £200.00 for Jane's Fighting Ships but missed out on the same offer for the Aircraft.

    Anyway, this is getting TOO silly as Monty Python would say.

    The bottom line is that Brasil are satisfied with the aircraft landing. What they were doing is pure speculation and if Brasil says OK Argentina land should but out trying to interfere in another sovereign country's business. They could have been bringing military equipment for the Brasilian Airforce that they do not wish to admit in public. Who knows or cares.

    Let's move on to something more important such as what is this misplaced fixation you have about the Falklands being part of Argentinia land.

    May 18th, 2017 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • The Voice

    Shitstirrer Think comprehensively Pwned...by a Gorilla!

    Brook Street failed again.

    May 18th, 2017 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    Lowland Gorilla... two posts above...

    Firstly...:
    your auld RAF link refers to the C-130K... A modell retired in 2013... Try to keep up..., lad...

    Secondly...:
    Cargo, combat &passenger planes range is always specified with their maximum operational payload...
    “Ferrying range” is to variable a parameter to be of any use...

    Thirdly...:
    - Are you suggesting that the Royal Air Farce is flying a completely empty C-130J (8 times in 2016 and 4 times (until today) in 2017) over the South Atlantic in “Search And Rescue” for inexistent shipwrecks...?

    NB...
    £200 quid for a book that is already obsolete before leaving the printshop...!
    Ever heard about a thing called the Internet..., laddie?
    Sassenach pensions are, evidently, too high... ;-)))

    May 18th, 2017 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • The Voice

    Reminds me of a cockroach. You squish it comprehensively and it springs back to life...! It's still a fail and the Brazilians are sniggering.

    May 18th, 2017 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • DemonTree

    @Think
    Who said anything about shipwrecks? Certainly not your friends at Itamaraty. Carrying spare parts for the SAR helicopters is apparently good enough for Brazil, and it's easy to make sure that is true.

    By the way, where do you think those planes that landed at Porto Alegre were going to and from? Because with your range they would be unable to reach anywhere outside South America.

    May 18th, 2017 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roger Lorton

    Can't see Think? Why am I not surprised? Argie myopia is world famous. Sadly, you lost the other two monkeys.

    May 19th, 2017 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Clyde15

    https://www.raf.mod.uk/equipment/herculesc4c5.cfm

    “The new engines and advanced propellers, coupled with a new digital engine-control system, give the C-130J increased take-off thrust and better fuel efficiency; thus the external fuel tanks have been omitted.”

    The ferry range of the C1/C3 is quoted, by RAF sources as 3,500nm.

    It would appear that the C5 can match this WITHOUT external tanks in a ferry mode.

    As the C5 is NOT configured especially in an SAR mode it would fly configured for maximum range. The Mk1 human eyeball and night vision glasses would be all that is required for sighting shipping or wreckage. No need for anything else in the cargo bay except the toilet and sandwiches.
    I have no idea what the RAF are doing in Brazil and neither do you. If the RAF wanted to use the C5 for SAR it could do so using it's ferry range.
    You are arguing about how large is a ball of string. An aircraft's range depends on speed, altitude and prevailing winds.

    You don't know much about Jane's publications either. The books do not go out of date for years. Updates can be obtained. For the internet access you would have to be well heeled to pay the subscription. These are aimed at defence ministries world wide.

    Did you think up Brutish forces and Royal Air farce ALL BY YOUR LITTLE SELF ?

    How drole. We will have to include them in the English lexicon as an example of Argentine
    wit or maybe just half of them to make it arithmetically balance.

    I am trying to contact the adjutant of 30 Squadron and put the question of the C5's range to him. If I get a reply then I will post it...regardless of what it says.

    As a coincidence, I was taking pictures of a C5 ZH883 yesterday at Prestwick.

    So, to get back to the forum topic, the Brazilians are happy, the British are happy, the Falkland islanders are happy and the Argentinians are going boo-hoo it's unfair, we want to rule Brazils international relations. God's in his heaven and all's right in the world.

    May 19th, 2017 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +3

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