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“Falklands will not be British or Argentine: rather independent most probably on 3 January 2033”

Tuesday, May 30th 2017 - 19:49 UTC
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The quote was mentioned in a piece written by a retired Argentine diplomat who has visited the Falkland Islands several times, but words actually belong to a Foreign Office official appointed to the British High Commission Office in Trinidad & Tobago. Read full article

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  • Jo Bloggs

    A cunning plan:
    As a concrete measure to counter this Viñuela proposes the opening of an “Argentine House” in Stanley, with the mission of getting closer to the Islanders, attempting a better mutual comprehension and above all confidence building. Most probably at the start the house would not have such name or exalt nationalism with Argentine symbols.

    A more cunning plan may have been not to publish the cunning plan.

    May 30th, 2017 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Skip

    Haha, I do believe I predicted independence in 2033 years ago!

    There's no barrier to this as independence is recognised state by state and is not a result nor adjudicated by the UN.

    May 31st, 2017 - 03:10 am - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Stoker

    The Falklands will become an independent island state. If I were them I would do it on 3 January 2033 but - since the Falklanders have better manners than I - they will do it before then so as to not rub the Argies noses in it.

    May 31st, 2017 - 05:24 am - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Room101

    Casting the Runes...I wonder what the weather will be like in Argentina on that crystal-ball Day?

    May 31st, 2017 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Brit Bob

    Why should the Islands ever be Argentinian?

    They've never owned them.

    Falklands- Never Belonged to Argentina (single page):
    https://www.academia.edu/31111843/Falklands_Never_Belonged_to_Argentina

    May 31st, 2017 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse +4
  • teaberry2

    An Argentine house.........i ask myself on what planet does this man live on................. the young, old and even older folks want nothing to do with a bunch of looney buggers.............what dont they undertsand until they all drop there stupid claim and leave us to live in peace we will have nothing to do with them.....this lady is not for turning....

    May 31st, 2017 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Stoker

    Might I suggest a different date. They should declare themselves independent on 14 June 2032. That way they can celebrate “Liberation Day” and “Independence Day” at the same time. It will be a terrific party! ;-D

    May 31st, 2017 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse +5
  • DemonTree

    @Jo Bloggs
    I don't think he's proposing to lie about it's purpose, just not cover it with flags and nationalist propaganda.

    I think he's right in his analysis, at least of the political situation in Britain. But what president or foreign minister is going to follow a plan that won't show any results for 10 or 15 years (and that's wildly optimistic IMO), by which time someone else will be in power? For any given government it's far more useful to use it as a cause to stir up patriotism and unite the people.

    May 31st, 2017 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Think

    Well...
    If I was the houselord of Argiehouse...
    I would serve free beer..., install free Wi-Al...(Wife Incoming ALarm) and no blacklisting...
    That would fetch us quite a few regulars...

    May 31st, 2017 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse -5
  • HughJuanCoeurs

    I must be missing something here. If he is convinced that “without active participation of the Islanders, --the real problem--, there is no chance for Argentina to advance in its sovereignty claim.” then why is he saying that the Falklands will become independent of both Argentina and the UK? If they stay British, they will be British; if they go for independence they will be independent. Where does Argentina's spurious claim to sovereignty come into the equation?

    May 31st, 2017 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse +5
  • FRodriguez

    Dear @BritBob
    If you want to know the truth about the historical and legal aspects of the dispute check it here:

    http://www.malvinas-falklands.net

    May 31st, 2017 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse -6
  • Voice

    Never mind posting links without debate... there are questionable areas from both sides...
    Fight it out point by point...
    Repetitively referring to unchallenged biased views is so boring...

    May 31st, 2017 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Brit Bob

    FRodriguez

    Truth and historical facts don't sit too well with your link.

    Perhaps you would like to challenge one of the points I have raised?
    (The first 3 points I have raised debunks your link).

    Don't forget the references.

    May 31st, 2017 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Faulconbridge

    Perhaps a Falklands House could be opened in Buenos Aires where Argentinians could learn why the Falklanders are not very enthusiastic about the possibility of becoming part of Argentina.

    May 31st, 2017 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Think

    Sr. Faulconbridge...
    We already have one...
    http://www.arcondebuenosaires.com.ar/quintahale-embajad-reino-unid.jpg

    May 31st, 2017 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse -5
  • EscoSesDoidao

    Go for it Falkland Islanders. I'm sure most Scots support you.

    May 31st, 2017 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Marti Llazo

    There already IS an “Argentine House” near Stanley.

    It is sometimes called the “red brick privy” or the “outdoor toilet” while the many resident chilenitos seem to call it “donde Kirchner” or “La Casa Rosada.”

    Jun 01st, 2017 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Hepatia

    England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.

    Jun 01st, 2017 - 01:51 am - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Marti Llazo

    Hepatia will be conditionally released from psychiatric observation and control in a little over 25 years.

    Jun 01st, 2017 - 04:48 am - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Roger Lorton

    I'm a little jet-lagged so please ignore any confusion.

    This is a non-story. Somebody make an off the cuff remark and it makes the news? I grant you there is little coming out of Argentina these last few weeks, other than the odd march (very odd) but this story is nonsense.

    Sorry Facundo - what was it you wanted debunking? You're too easy really, but I like to help out.

    Voice actually makes a point. But the only place where this could be fought “point by point” is the ICJ. Argentina has consistently turned down the opportunity to go there. If they should change their mind, I suggest a formal invitation to No.10 Downing Street. If Corbyn's there, he'll probably jump at the chance.

    Jun 01st, 2017 - 05:40 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Don Alberto

    Zimbabwe will return China within 25 years.

    Jun 01st, 2017 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Malvinense 1833

    read and learn
    http://www.malvinas-falklands.net/avada_portfolio/chapter-iv/

    Jun 01st, 2017 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • HughJuanCoeurs

    @Malvinense 1833
    Your document only covers from 1810 to 1833. What about the time previous to that? Oh yes. British rule...

    Jun 01st, 2017 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • GALlamosa

    The Falkland Islands will become independent if and when Falkland Islanders so decide. Whilst 1833 might look like a suitable date the way things are going it will be well before then.

    Jun 01st, 2017 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Malvinense 1833

    @HughJuanCoeurs My friend read all...

    http://www.malvinas-falklands.net/avada_portfolio/chapter-ii-2/

    Jun 01st, 2017 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Skip

    Yep. Still not convince.

    Considering in 2017 the Falklands aren't Argentinian..... doesn't look like anyone else is either.

    Sorry. Not sorry.

    Jun 01st, 2017 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • golfcronie

    Malvi 1833. You are living in the past, today is 2nd June 2017 and the FALKLANDS are owned by the FALKLANDERS and events in 1810-1833 ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THAT. If it was so important back then why didn't your government do something about it?

    Jun 02nd, 2017 - 07:02 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Malvinense 1833

    @golfcronie
    The past explains the present.
    In any case there is no worse blind than a falklander.
    good morning falklanders

    Jun 02nd, 2017 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Skip

    Yes, the past does explain the present.

    In the past the islands were not part of Argentina. In the present they are not part of Argentina.

    In the past Argentina failed to convince the Islanders to join them. In the present Argentina is failing to convince the islanders to join them.

    In the past the islands were British. In the present the islands are British.

    Very correct. The past does explain the present.

    And best yet, the current present will one day be the past.... and the situation will still be the same.

    Jun 02nd, 2017 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Jo Bloggs

    Skip
    But all Argentina has to do is wait 25 years. Hepatia has been telliing us that for at least 5 years now.

    Hepatia
    By now shouldn't you be saying England will return the Malvinas within 20 years?

    Jun 03rd, 2017 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • gordo1

    Malvinense(????????)1833

    MORE OF THE LIES, FAIRY STORIES, MYTHS, PRETENSIONS AND FALSE INTERPRETATIONS THAT WE ARE USED TO SEE FROM ARGENTINA!

    Take your claims to the International Court of Justice and see how they prosper! NABO!

    Jun 03rd, 2017 - 05:21 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Skip

    Jo

    You should know that the insanity of the Malvinas myth has severely affected most Argentinians. And logic doesn't come into it much anymore.

    I mean just look at all these posters still flailing in trying to convince not just themselves but everyone else that their fairytale is real.

    Jun 03rd, 2017 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • gordo1

    Malvinense(?????????)1833

    Pensé repitir en español

    MAS MENTIRAS, CUENTOS DE ADAS, MITOS, IDEAS PRETENCIOSAS E INTERPRETACIONES FALSAS COMO DE SIEMPRE DE PARTE DE ARGENTINA. ¡NABO!

    Jun 03rd, 2017 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    @gordo1 Señor gordo1 Porel link proporcionado, usted como los demás isleños pueden ver, que el llamado “cuento de hadas” está muy bien explicado y además proporciona documentos históricos que son muy reales por lo tanto no sé donde están los mitos allí.
    Argentina does not appeal to the International Court of Justice because the United Kingdom prevents it. It does not accept cases prior to 1977.

    Jun 03rd, 2017 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • HughJuanCoeurs

    @Malvinense 1833
    I have read this piece of fiction before. It was risible then and still is. The Falklands have been British for a lot longer than Argentina has been a nation. The British never “abandoned” the Falklands. We left notice that the land was claimed by Britain and when we returned we found that our land had been invaded. We did what every right thinking owner would do. We evicted the squatters from our property

    Jun 03rd, 2017 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Terence Hill

    Malvinense 1833
    “Argentina does not appeal to the International Court of Justice because the United Kingdom prevents it. It does not accept cases prior to 1977.” Rubbish they could make a unilateral application any for legal opinion.
    Here’s one even better. The ICJ wouldn’t even consider an application from Argentina about their spurious claim from 1833. One because they have waited to long, and certainly the application would in any event have been applicable to only the international law at that time.
    ”...The rule of the intertemporal law still insists that an act must be characterized in accordance with the law in force at the time it was done, or closely on the next occasion. ...
    The Acquisition of Territory in International Law By Robert Yewdall Jennings
    a Judge of the International Court of Justice from 1982. He also served as the President of the ICJ between 1991 and 1994

    Jun 03rd, 2017 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • gordo1

    Malvinense(?????????)1833

    Para su información - ¡NO SOY ISLEÑO! Y, para que sepa, el link, tan bien explicado como Usted dice, no deja de ser MAS MENTIRAS, CUENTOS DE ADAS, MITOS, IDEAS PRETENCIOSAS E INTERPRETACIONES FALSAS COMO DE SIEMPRE DE PARTE DE ARGENTINA. ¡NABO!

    Jun 04th, 2017 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @Malvinense 1833

    “ The past explains the present.”

    It does indeed, but your past is selective and not objective.

    With regard to the Falkland Islands, their past does not begin in 1810.

    In the 1820s and 1830s, the United Provinces were told by Great Britain of the British claim, but the UP's ignored it.

    However, ignoring the claim did not make it invalid.

    When the Spanish left the Falkland Islands, they left a plaque of possession. As far as I am aware, the plaque did not say they were transferring their claim to the United Provinces/B.A/ Government, but the claim was Spain's, which it would be as Spain and Great Britain had agreed to each other's presence on the Islands, (and no third parties).

    When the United Provinces claimed the Falklands as late as 1829, and asserted that Vernet was their governor, that did not make the British or the Spanish claims invalid because the two nations had left plaques that clearly asserted their continuing claims.

    If as you Argentines claim that the British reassertion of sovereignty (they had been on the Islands before, Britain did not just turn up for the first time) in 1833, why did the United Provinces not occupy the Islands between January 1833 and January 1834, as there was nothing to stop them?

    Another point for you.

    If as Argentina asserts, the British claim is invalid between 1774 and 1833 because the only presence between those years were patrolling Royal Navy ships and sealing vessels that landed on the islands, and not a continued settlement, then surely, because the United Provinces, then later Argentina have had no presence between 1833- 1982, then that therefore makes the Argentine claim invalid too, according to your logic.

    And Pinedo left no plaque asserting a claim in 1833.

    Jun 07th, 2017 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse +1

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