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Clyde shipbuilding unions furious with MoD over building of new frigates

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Shipbuilding unions have accused the UK Minister of Defense of reneging on a promise to build five new navy frigates on the Clyde. It came as Defense Secretary Sir Michael Fallon announced that five Type 31e frigates could be built and assembled across several UK shipyards. Read full article

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  • Voice

    Sooo...you promised 13...cut that to eight and now say the shortfall could be produced elsewhere...
    Yer a shyster...man...
    Do these fcukwits enjoy giving the SNP ammunition at a precarious moment in time...?

    Sep 07th, 2017 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • EscoSesDoidao

    Yet another betrayal from the 2014 'better together' campaign in order to try and get the 'no' vote through on the last Scottish independence referendum. People in Scotland won't be fooled by WM again for the next Independence referendum. Thanks mercopress for helping publicise this story.

    Sep 07th, 2017 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GALlamosa

    So the Clyde shipyard unions are happy to screw their union colleagues elsewhere as long as they can have the business. Maybe the SNP's aggressive and short sighted attitude defence/Trident is coming home to roost.

    Sep 07th, 2017 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    Nothing to do with screwing colleagues elsewhere....
    What part of, promised 13 and only got 8, did you fail to understand...?
    Is that how English promises work...?

    Sep 07th, 2017 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    It's how government promises work. They're bloody idiots for breaking this one though.

    Sep 07th, 2017 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    I'd best mention this before some numpty tries to justify it...
    Do I think UK defence contracts should be tendered over the whole of the UK...? Yes that would be fair...
    BUT...not when the promised contracts have been used as a political sweetener to keep a political union...as this was...

    Sep 07th, 2017 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • EscoSesDoidao

    By 'SNP' I think you'll find it is the Scottish Government. The Scottish Government.

    Sep 07th, 2017 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @Voice
    I agree. I don't think they should have used the contracts as a bribe for various reasons, but having done so they should keep their promise. Sometimes they really do give the impression they are handing the SNP ammunition on purpose.

    Sep 07th, 2017 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Clyde15

    This will increase the cost of the build by having to move prefabricated sections round the country.
    Whatever your political feelings, the government promised that the frigates would be built on the Clyde. Now, true to form, they are reneging on that promise.

    Remember,we were told that if you vote for independence then you would lose the ships. We voted no and......we lost the ships. Duplicity ? Of course not !!!!

    What Bae wanted was a yard configured for the design and building of frigates. They chose the Clyde yard as the most suitable. This would bring down unit costs and also enable them to compete in the export markets for the sale of the new general purpose frigate. Pardon the pun, but this has effectively torpedoed that hope.

    There is also the matter of the replacement of the RFA Auxiliary vessels. If these are given to S.Korea, then we may as well shut up shop as a shipbuilding nation.

    Sep 07th, 2017 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Voice

    On a brighter note...

    https://www.theguardian.com/travel/shortcuts/2017/sep/04/scotland-voted-the-worlds-most-beatiful-country

    Although I'm not sure what “beatiful” means...
    If you don't want to follow the link...
    Spoiler alert... England came 7th...

    Sep 07th, 2017 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • EscoSesDoidao

    I'll leave this here....https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-warships-of-damocles/

    Sep 07th, 2017 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Maddy

    England feels no shame dissing Scotland.

    Sep 08th, 2017 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Capt Rockhopper

    Well given the SNPs political aims, it makes sense not to put all our eggs into one basket, even if it is more expensive in the short term.

    Sep 08th, 2017 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Clyde15

    Maddy

    I see we have another Troll joining us trying to create divisions.

    It is nothing to do with England as such. It is the conservative govt. who are up to their usual dishonest principles....if they had any principles !

    C.R.
    They made the decision when the discussion about the referendum was taking place.
    A promise was made which appears to be a pack of lies.
    As to -“ it makes sense not to put all our eggs into one basket”

    They have done this with the RN's submarine fleet making Faslane the only base.

    So, by your proposal, the subs. should have more than one base and be kept in Devonport.

    The SNP have political aims which have been largely rejected by the Scottish voters.
    This must be a shot in the arm for them pointing out that the Westminster govt. cannot be trusted....which we all knew anyway.

    Sep 08th, 2017 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    Given the SNP's political aims, it would make more sense for the government to keep their promises, even if they don't care about such things as honesty and integrity. Dissolving the union will cost a hell of a lot more than a few frigates. If they were worried about putting all their eggs in one basket they should not have made the promise in the first place.

    By the way, how are the SNP at keeping their promises? Any better than the Tories or Labour?

    Sep 08th, 2017 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    DemonTree

    “By the way, how are the SNP at keeping their promises? ”

    ...This will be a once in a generation Independence referendum....;-))))

    Sep 08th, 2017 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    Voice

    With the early death rate in Scotland, the generation that voted will soon be long gone !

    Sep 08th, 2017 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Since the SNP thinks a generation lasts about 3 years, will they be requesting that two-year-olds be allowed to vote in the next referendum?

    But what about the more usual sort of promises politicians make? And why do people die younger in Scotland?

    Sep 08th, 2017 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    People die younger in Scotland because they worry about trivial things.What politician has been true to their word? Answer on a postage stamp please.They ALL say what the plebs want to hear.

    Sep 09th, 2017 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Conqueror

    @Voice. Yeah. But everyone knows “Scots” (they're Irish really) can't be trusted. In 2014, they agreed no more attempts at so-called “independence” for a generation. A generation is accepted as being about 30 years. And yet Fishface 2 (Sturgeon) started rabbiting about “independence” again in 2015.

    Not surprising that the UK government and Royal Navy refuse to be placed in a position where they could be blackmailed by a bunch of Jocks. I remember how much “Scotland” wanted to try to steal in 2014.

    Sep 10th, 2017 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Clyde15

    C.

    I see you are back from the dead with more of your ignorant crap . The Scots are a mixture of Picts, Vikings, Britons, Angles and Celts. You are a mixture of French and Germans...johnny -come -latelies. Get back to mainland Europe where you belong..and take your chums with you !

    Anyway, the discussion was about how the government lied about the contract for the frigates. Remember also that there are English workers involved up here.

    Sep 10th, 2017 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SkippyVonBraun

    The question is why is this piece appearing in Mercopenguin, a British government propaganda organ supposedly devoted to America, South America and the “South Atlantic”?

    Sep 11th, 2017 - 04:32 am - Link - Report abuse -1

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