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Argentina will receive five refurbished Super Etendard fighter planes

Thursday, November 9th 2017 - 08:39 UTC
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France has sold five used Super Étendard fighter planes to Argentina, which has an outdated military fleet and is hosting large international events in coming months, the French ambassador in Buenos Aires said. Read full article

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  • Brit Bob

    ''The ambassador said the fighters would allow Argentina to have some operating planes before the Group of 20 summit it will host at the end of next year.''

    President Macri, Argentine Congress 1 March 2017
    ''Next year Argentina will host the G20, one of the most important forums in the world.

    This is the way to advance our interests, including our legitimate claim for the Falkland Islands, Georgias and South Sandwich.

    Dialogue strengthens our position and allows us to come closer to finding a definitive solution to this prolonged dispute.''

    Seriously, have you heard of a territory being usurped in the 19th century?
    Falkland Islands – The Usurpation (1 pg): https://www.academia.edu/34838377/Falkland_Islands_The_Usurpation

    Nov 09th, 2017 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Lord Lucan

    The Typhoons and Rapiers are in readiness....

    Nov 09th, 2017 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Marti Llazo

    Splash-bait.

    Nov 09th, 2017 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • golfcronie

    How old are these aircraft? 30 maybe 40 years old with new bits and pieces stuck on.Certainly not a match for the typhoons that's for sure.Or i hasten to add the new missile system now being deployed in the FALKLANDS

    Nov 09th, 2017 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Rufus

    @GC

    The airframes have got to be at least 34 years old - Dassault stopped making them in 1983.

    Nov 09th, 2017 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Clyde15

    Let's establish one fact. The Super Etandard is NOT a dedicated fighter.

    According to my copy of Jane's Fighting Ships it is” a carrier all weather light strike fighter with limited air defence capability.
    In this role it carries 2 Matra Bae Dynamic Magic 2 short range AAM and 2 Defa 30mm cannon.

    It would not have a snowball's chance in hell of surviving an encounter with any proper fighter....even its Dassault stablemate Mirage family.

    So, Argentina is welcome to it as it poses no credible threat to the Falklands.

    Nov 09th, 2017 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse +7
  • Chicureo

    France is practically giving the outdated jets to Argentina with a possibility to forge future defense sales. Argentina saves face with having a plausible air defense.
    The overall Argentine military strength remains only a shadow of 1982.

    Nov 09th, 2017 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Marti Llazo

    “Argentina saves face with having a plausible air defense.”

    I think the word is “implausable” (unconvincing, doubtful, improbable, argentine).

    Perhaps better described as the Potemkin Village of Air Farces.

    But fully suitable for parade flyovers and static displays (when accompanied by buckets to catch the leaking fluids).

    Nov 09th, 2017 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Pete Bog

    Cue hysteria from the British press who are still unaware the Falkland Islands have had a massive aircraft carrier since 1985 called 'HMS' MPA.

    Totally justified for the Argentines to have some aircraft to provide security for international guests, as clapped out Super Es no threat to UK.

    @Chicureo

    No match for your AEW and F16 combination.

    But the UK will be disappointed as it was hoped to sell the Battle of Britain flight to Argentina to upgrade their air force...

    Nov 10th, 2017 - 06:23 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • golfcronie

    I hope we are no going to sell the Spitfires and hurricanes to the Argies

    Nov 10th, 2017 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • darragh

    So, who's going to fly and maintain these obsolescent heaps? Surely the pilots and ground crew from 1982 are all past retirement age and you can't just hop out of a Beechcraft Texan into one of these.

    Nov 10th, 2017 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Clyde15

    The Battle of Britain flight is MORE valuable than some obsolescent French aircraft.!

    Nov 10th, 2017 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Chicureo

    Pilot training will consist of getting the jets into the air and then landing them safely. Argentina is probably capable of this and Macri is not going to order something stupid.

    Nov 10th, 2017 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Jo Bloggs

    LMAO. How is Argentina even in the G20? They can’t even afford the necessary protection flight let alone have an economy on par with the G20 group of nations.

    Nov 10th, 2017 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    This has been Argentina's hobby for decades: to pay good money for recycled military equipment that the country does not need.

    Nov 10th, 2017 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • DemonTree

    “How is Argentina even in the G20?”

    I just looked it up; Argentina has the 21st largest GDP so technically they shouldn't be in the G20 and ought to be replaced by the Netherlands, who have an impressively big GDP for a country that's halfway under water.

    I don't know how they picked the countries though, maybe Argentina used to be in the top 20?

    @EM
    At least these planes were probably pretty cheap.

    Nov 10th, 2017 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • vernet

    How belligerant ... don't get excited... the SUEs are not intended to serve as interceptors,hence Argentina won't attack the Falklands with SUEs or anything else.So keep spending those futile 70 m /year of uk taxpayer money...The day is coming that those taxpayers will awaken and will say stop.If I were a Falkland Islander I would be a little concerned about #1-Brexit #2 Corbyn #3 Oil prices #4 terrorism in homeland UK.
    Strike a good deal before it's too late with the present Macri administration.They are the most reasonable you will find in years.Under an agreement to drop Argentina's claim to the UN and other international forums , paramount your selfdetermination,make a special status independent state, let free flow of argentinian people,capital and property.Let them settle ,live ,work and buy property like any other person living in the Falklands.You will be british, on british soil , under british law with special status for argentinian residents ( like a south atlantic citizenship).We were enemies,we are neighbours, we could be partners.

    Nov 11th, 2017 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Marti Llazo

    Perhaps “vernet” is unaware that the inhabitants of the islands want nothing to do with criminal Argenzuela and its historically worthless promises. Perhaps “vernet” is unaware of the considerable value of the islands to both the islands and their UK allies. Perhaps “vernet” is unaware of the UK's historical rejection of surrender to corrupt, tin-pot Third-World backwaters. Perhaps “vernet” is unaware that the entire world saw Argenzuela's concept of “partnership” in the Falklands in April, 1982.

    Nice try, fernet, but no banana for you.

    Nov 11th, 2017 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • DemonTree

    @vernet
    “How belligerant ... don't get excited”

    Some quotes from above:

    “So, Argentina is welcome to it as it poses no credible threat to the Falklands.”

    “Argentina saves face with having a plausible air defense.
    The overall Argentine military strength remains only a shadow of 1982.”

    “Totally justified for the Argentines to have some aircraft to provide security for international guests, as clapped out Super Es no threat to UK.”

    Feel the excitement. :)

    “If I were a Falkland Islander I would be a little concerned about #1-Brexit #2 Corbyn #3 Oil prices #4 terrorism in homeland UK.”

    I dare say most of them are, and also are pleased they don't live in 'homeland UK' when it comes to that last one.

    “Strike a good deal before it's too late with the present Macri administration.They are the most reasonable you will find in years.”

    All very well, but what happens when the next administration gets in and decides to tear up the deal on the pretext that the Islanders have 'broken the spirit' of the agreement? Also, Argentina and Britain released a joint statement over a year ago and so far nothing has come of it except the Red Cross mission which Argentina wanted.

    As for free flow of people, capital and property to such a small place, no matter what country it came from we can all guess what the result would be. I think they'd be strongly opposed to free movement with *Britain*, let alone with Argentina.

    Nov 11th, 2017 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Chicureo

    Vernet stands for Jules Verne's imaginative fantasy of allowing the Falklands to be quietly invaded by an eventual majority Argentine populace that will wish their dear Las Malvinas to be repatriated to its motherland... Nice fantasy...

    Nov 11th, 2017 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Marti Llazo

    @chicureo “...imaginative fantasy...”

    When a nation has no substance, it must rely on its fantasies.

    There is a substantial amount of fantasy the argentines entertain surrounding the islands. We are reminded of the illegally-filmed “F*ckland” which displays the perennial adolescent argentine fantasy that it can somehow fornicate itself into a desirable solution. Small wonder the country needs its hundreds of thousands of psychiatrists and other mental health workers.

    In the film, “ [Falklander] Heaney gets the last word, making a videotape on [Argentine] Fabian's camera where she denounces him as the shallow, condescending and self-centered Argentine he is.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuckland

    Hitler had similar fantasies.

    Nov 11th, 2017 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Chicureo

    Marti:
    From your link: “ ...an ingenious Argentine patriotic plan: to impregnate a Falklander woman... ” is obviously a fantasy of our Argentine idiots...

    Nov 11th, 2017 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    What a revolting and idiotic idea. And they filmed it illegally? Presumably while pretending to be tourists, like the more recent clandestine Olympic video. I can't think why the Falklanders are so hostile to Argentina!

    Nov 11th, 2017 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • vernet

    uhh,,,seems I stroke the bee nest of the narrow minded...anyways it is Vernet , Luis Elias Vernet , like the first governor commander of Malvinas or Falklands.
    Marti , I guess you are not aware that the Falklands are not the only case of colonization , In fact there are dozen of cases in which colonies were returned to their original nation (Hong Kong) or they declared independence (African nations), so why not expect a similar outcome ? We have to wait? no problem....waiting is our game
    So while you solve your drinking problems with the Fernet,we will insist for ever if necessary, in sitting and talking with the islanders. Whether you like all like it or not...
    BTW you are all watching too many lousy movies....Don'.t !!...it is clearly affecting your brains,,,,cheers

    Nov 12th, 2017 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    So if they declare independence, like the African nations, are you going to continue waiting forever?

    Nov 12th, 2017 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    Insist away, fernet, your fantasies will not create realities. In fact, the playing with those adolescent fantasies has only served to convince the islanders that they want nothing to do with Argenzuela.

    One of the many things that so many argies find difficult to comprehend is their own counterproductive behaviour. It has resulted in the islanders increasingly hardening their understandable rejection of Argenzuela. In other words, every time you open your orto to talk about the islands, it makes your silly schemes all the more impossible.

    Nov 12th, 2017 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Wireless

    Luis Vernet was 'appointed' by the illegal Lavalle Government, which lasted two weeks, indeed it took longer for the news of his 'appointment' to reach the Falkland Islands than the life of that Government.

    The replacement United Provinces Government immediately declared all decrees made by the Lavalle Government as 'null and void', which included Vernet's 'appointment'.

    Sorry to rain on your false history, but Vernet was a chancer, he turned his failing business into piracy on the falsehood of his 'appointment', and caused the US Government to almost declare War on the United Provinces, they relented and merely sent the US Navy to remove Vernet's Business/Piracy Empire from British Soil.

    This was before we British decided to remove your Invading Garrison of former prisoners, but before we arrived, they had murdered their own Commander and had been taken into custody by the Islanders with the help of French Sealers, and were tied up criminals on board a ship about to sail to Buenos Aires.

    The British arrived and politely told the Garrison to bugger off back to BA on their own ship, the Sarandi.

    An interesting side note to this is the 2IC in charge of the UP Garrison asked one of the Islanders to be the 'Political and Military Commander' after he left, giving him a letter to this effect. This Islander was murdered by Antonio Rivero later that year.

    So not once, but twice, they murder their own 'leaders'.

    Nov 12th, 2017 - 02:19 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Marti Llazo

    @wireless

    One has to wonder if Rivera's argie people also murdered the prosecutor sent to the islands, and tried to make it look like a suicide.

    Posted 6 days ago - Link - Report abuse +1
  • golfcronie

    The plot thickens

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  • Pete Bog

    @wireless

    Luis Vernet was 'appointed' by the illegal Lavalle Government, which lasted two weeks, indeed it took longer for the news of his 'appointment' to reach the Falkland Islands than the life of that Government.

    “ The replacement United Provinces Government immediately declared all decrees made by the Lavalle Government as 'null and void', which included Vernet's 'appointment'

    Excellent point.

    At least we can say that the diplomatic protests made by the British Government to Buenos Aires in 1829 and 1832,were not made by governments that were shortly afterward declared null and void!

    This is another stick in the spokes for Argentina who claim uninterrupted settlement of the Falklands from 1820-1833.


    ” So not once, but twice, they murder their own 'leaders'.”

    Correct,and killing Ventura Pasos, (related to one of their leaders announcing the split from Spain in 1810), doesn't seem very patriotic either.

    I can't imagine that Ventura Pasos was dropped off by the Brits in 1833, all the way from the British Isles, but according to Argentina he is one of the Brits who replaced expelled Argentines!

    Fortunately I believe Simon's children survived but don't know how long they stayed in the Islands.

    His Mrs certainly died in Stanley many years later.

    1833, when examined gets more interesting and whilst once I was told by an Islander,' we don't mention 1833, it's embarrassing', in fact the events of 1833 do little to go against Britain's sovereignty claim, in fact the opposite.

    They are the colander nation, arguments full of holes.

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  • imoyaro

    I love the fact that Vernet was declared a pirate by no less a worthy than US President Andrew Jackson! Bummer, eh?

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  • Marti Llazo

    In returning to the original topic of the news note:

    It seems as though the argie air force and the argie navy are fighting over who gets the obsolete aircraft.

    Their navy's argument seems to be that it still has nine junk Super Étendard airframes lying around, none of which can fly, but which might be useful for the inevitable cannibalising. The argie air force insists that since the navy got rid of their aircraft carrier, it has no reason to have aircraft.

    Still, there is only one argie national agency which legitimately might control the aircraft: the National Ministry of Parks, Recreation, and Hokey Religion.

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  • vernet

    Regarding the LIE...Luis Vernet was 'appointed' by the illegal Lavalle Government, which lasted two weeks, indeed it took longer for the news of his 'appointment' to reach the Falkland Islands than the life of that Government.
    TRUTH is that the consequence of the development of Vernet´s settlement was the creation of the Political and Military Command of the Malvinas/Falkland Islands and the Atlantic Adjacencies of Cape Horn by a Decree dated June 10th, 1829 and signed by Governor Martín Rodríguez and Minister Salvador María del Carril.

    Regarding the LIE ..... Vernet was a chancer, he turned his failing business into piracy on the falsehood of his 'appointment', and caused the US Government to almost declare War on the United Provinces, they relented and merely sent the US Navy to remove Vernet's Business/Piracy Empire from British Soil.
    TRUTH is that in January 1828, he approached the Buenos Aires Government but they were unable to help. Instead, the government granted Vernet all of East Falkland including all its resources, and exempted him from taxation if a colony could be established within three years. He took settlers, later joined by the British Captain Matthew Brisbane (who had sailed to the islands earlier with Weddell), and before leaving once again sought permission from the British Consulate in Buenos Aires. The British asked for a report for the British government on the islands, and Vernet asked for British protection should they return. Vernet arrived in Puerto Soledad in 1829 and reverted to the use of the original French name as Puerto Luis. Vernet was anxious to establish the colony quickly due to the promise that it would be free from taxation if it could be established within 3 years.By 1829, the indiscriminate activities of North American sealers had severely depleted the rookeries on the islands. In order to control island resources, Vernet applied to the authorities in Buenos Aires for a warship to put an end to these activities.

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  • golfcronie

    @vernet
    Kindly show proof of what you are saying, I am very interested that you Know? so much.
    Where would I find all these documents that you speak of?

    Posted 3 days ago - Link - Report abuse 0
  • dr.cesaro

    Hello from argentina.

    Before you start insulting me, letme tell you that Im absolutely respectfoul of the Rights of the people of the Falklands & South Atlantic islands..

    - The claims of the argentian policticians didn came from nacionalist ideas.
    Our politician want the Islands because they want to steal your money, as they steal the money of the argentinians.

    - Argentinian state its so corrupt that is dissapearing people again.
    But the media refuses tu publish, as they did it in the 70s.
    Maybe, because most of the media are owned by our politicians.

    - The Argentinian state its a narco-terrorst state, runned by political mafias.
    I will never suppourt the claims of this corrupt terrorist-state, against the free people of the islands.

    - ABOUT THE PLANES

    the Super Etendar its no threat at all.
    Its a sub-sonic aircraft, designed in the mid 50s, with a 1970s radar.

    - The Etendard IV was designed in the 50s.
    But even then, was considered an inferior plane.
    In the 70s, the french added a new naval-atack systemm and rename it as “super” Etendard.

    - The exocet missile proved to be dangerous.
    But France will never sold Exocets to argentina again.
    Without Exocet missiles, the Super Etendard its a bad 1950s plane.

    In present days, the french considered them trash.
    This planes were discarded, and they would finish in an aircraft cementery, or in a air-war-mussseum.

    No country in the world wanto to buy them.
    But most argentinians are mentally-locked in the 70s.

    Also, the argentinian air force cant manage to put 4 planes in the air.
    So, they buy this crap for “air defence”.
    - like some clowns, argentina can be hilarious and sad at the same time.

    - BTW.
    Im about to become a refugee in Canada, because Im illegally prosecuted by the argentinian goverment. They already tried to dissapearme in 2013, and now they are trying again in 2017.
    If one day argentina start a new war, I hope I can fight on your side.

    - Jorge Césaro

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  • DemonTree

    Are you this Jorge Césaro?

    https://www.taringa.net/jorgecesaro/posts

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  • Wireless

    No, the truth is the illegal Lavalle Government made its decree on 10th June 1829, wrote it on 11th June 1829, and informed Luis Vernet about it, who with Matthew Brisbane and 38 settlers, got on a ship called the Betsy on 19th June 1829 at Buenos Aires, and sailed to Montevideo for supplies.
    On 21st June 1829, they all left Montevideo on the Betsy bound for East Falkland.
    On 26th June 1829, the Lavalle Government is overthrown, and all its decrees declared null and void by the Viamonte Government. Which would include the decree made on 10th June, appointing Luis Vernet.
    On 14th July 1829, Vernet, Brisbane, and his band of soon to be pirates, arrive in Berkeley Sound, East Falkland. His 'appointment' having been voided in Buenos Aires some 18 days before he'd arrived.

    The truth is Vernet was nothing more than a failed businessman turned pirate, and with the US Government almost declaring War on the United Provinces due to his activities, and with the US Navy removing him from the Islands on 22nd January 1832, not very good at being a pirate either.

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