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Judge indicts Cristina Fernandez for treason and puts Timerman under house arrest

Friday, December 8th 2017 - 08:35 UTC
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A federal judge in Argentina indicted former President Cristina Fernandez for treason and asked for her arrest for allegedly covering up Iran’s possible role in the 1994 bombing of a Jewish community center that killed 85 people and injured hundreds, a court ruling said. Read full article

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  • Stoker

    Hector Timerman......the “Mystic Meg” of Argentine politics who said on 5th February 2013 during a visit to London that “the islands will be under Argentine control within twenty years”.
    When one Falklander was told of Timerman's prediction he replied “They've got more chance of putting their flag up on the Moon than putting it up here in Port Stanley”.

    At least a spell in jail will give Hector a chance to catch up with his reading and maybe get a better grip on reality ;-D

    Dec 08th, 2017 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Bubba

    So, Argentina is draining their swamp, finally.

    Dec 08th, 2017 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse +4
  • British_Kirchnerist

    Absolutely despicable, the purge has reached fever pitch.

    “However as things go in Argentina, a television program of independent journalists revealed that Judge Bonadio is retiring next January, his pension request has been approved”

    So this is a vindictive parting shot. What are the chances of a fair judge taking over, who would let the case lapse in line with the lack of evidence? Probably not much, given Macri's agenda

    “and they also recalled that during the Kirchner years, he was considered a faithful “K” magistrate and boxed many cases that could harm the powerful presidential couple.

    Likewise under the new government of president Macri, Bonadio became a clear antagonist of Cristina Fernandez, repeatedly clashing with the ex president who wanted him removed from her cases on several occasions, but to no avail...

    Bonadio despite support from higher magistrates when recused, is not considered a top line professional, and from the time of ex president Carlos Menem was described as manageable. In effect, in a famous incident leaked to the media, Menem's cabinet chief of the time wrote in a napkin the names of several magistrates that “could be trusted” and one of those names was Claudio Bonadio”

    In other words he has a record of craven biased support for whoever is in power at the time (leaving aside that he was never likely to have been much of a true K, when Cristina tried to open up the judicial establishment for example), which directly contradicts

    “And as to claims that the administration of president Macri is behind the move, if true, it's hard to understand since the government prefers to have Cristina Fernandez in the Senate, isolated, and not jailed and victimized, which could trigger voters' sympathy”

    Assertion without evidence, based on what might be the most rational course for Macri but not the vindictive hard-right one he's actually taking. Lets hope the article's right that the timing couldn't be more damaging for him at the WTO!

    Dec 08th, 2017 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse -11
  • Marti Llazo

    Since there are not enough jails for all the Kirchnerist criminals, perhaps it does make sense to reel in the worst of them first.

    Dec 08th, 2017 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse +5
  • The Voice

    Gollum and Ol' Turkey neck finally facing justice. Well done Argentina!

    Dec 08th, 2017 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse +5
  • ElaineB

    I am not sure if the Kirchner will try to make a deal. If they pay back the money they stole from the Argentine people they may get a reduced sentence, maybe even house arrest.

    Dec 08th, 2017 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse +6
  • British_Kirchnerist

    Didn't Cristina in her deposition point out that Bonadio had even threatened Nisman in the past? I'm guessing that was when he was being “reliable” for Menem. It was the Kirchners who finally started to try and get to the truth and get justice for AMIA after Menem's malign neglect of the case. For someone like Bonadio to twist that into her being part of the coverup is hard to beat for hypocrisy. And the “treason” charge is absurd theatre.

    As for the “Macri would rather have her isolated in the Senate” line, maybe he knew she wouldn't be isolated - at least not from the people who will all have a vote in 2 years. Her break from the old corruption who have been playing games with Macri to lead a clean and consistent opposition is clearly a threat, so he's going for broke to destroy her. But it could all backfire as the article admits, a clear persecution like this really should “trigger voters' sympathy”

    Btw her dignity under extreme pressure at yesterday's press conference is a great example of what makes her such a great beauty. I just hope she won't have to show such cool under fire on a regular basis

    Dec 08th, 2017 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse -13
  • Clyde15

    B.K.

    Whatever.

    Dec 08th, 2017 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • ElaineB

    Calm down, BK, I am sure CFK will still look wonderful to you in a prison jump-suit.

    Dec 08th, 2017 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +5
  • golfcronie

    You are having a laugh BK You mean in Argentina you can say who you want to prosecute you?
    Cristina didn't like the judge and asked him to be removed, some justice system, and don't say this is happening under Macri because it goes back a long way.

    Dec 08th, 2017 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • gordo1

    What very important news! Peronismo adios!

    Dec 08th, 2017 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • imoyaro

    Here's a discussion of what has to happen for her to be arrested...

    http://www.thebubble.com/can-cristina-kirchner-be-arrested/

    Dec 08th, 2017 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Think

    Dear Mr. British_Kirchnerist...

    As the auld say goes...:
    “What doesn't kill you makes you stronger”...

    Let's hope that Peronism..., with former president Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner at its helm..., gives a looooooong thought to what former President Pepe Mujica told us some three weeks ago...:
    https://www.pagina12.com.ar/77324-los-triunfos-te-ponen-pavo-las-derrotas-te-hacen-pensar
    “Los triunfos te ponen pavo..., las derrotas te hacen pensar...”
    Free translated by humble me...:
    “Triumphes turn you a Turnip..., defeats make you Think...”
    An Uruguayan “Memento Mori”..., one could call it...

    IMHO..., this ongoing judicial parody is already boomeranging badly against the current administration...

    Regards...,
    El Think...

    Dec 08th, 2017 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse -5
  • Marti Llazo

    @ b-kirchnerist “ ...Btw her dignity under extreme pressure...”

    Sure sign of a career criminal.

    Dec 08th, 2017 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Stoker

    I was genuinely concerned for her since I didn't think she'd look too good in an orange one piece suit but it appears in Argentina they can wear what they like
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogb6uoYQUk0
    No doubt she will be able to take in some ornaments to brighten up her cell ;-D

    Dec 08th, 2017 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Enrique Massot

    At least some of those who support generally accepted notions of western-style democracy will realize the deep disregard for legality and citizen guarantees involved in the current judicial offensive against current members of the Argentine opposition.

    The most visible sign that judge Bonadio is just working for his current masters is that the recent arrests, which are carried out in front of friendly media conveniently notified, disregard the criterium of avoiding jailing simple suspected or accused people.

    Without a doubt, characters who have justified military dictatorships and their illegal elimination of opponents will of course applaud anything a government of their like does.

    Those who believe that civil rights apply both to supporters as well of opponents of an elected government should inform themselves, because playing with police repression and putting people in jail prematurely is not a game.

    Glorifying what the current Argentine government is doing right now goes well beyond applauding a government that announced the restoration of republican values.

    Dec 08th, 2017 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Lightning

    Notice that EM stops short of saying there are no grounds for charges for CFK, as he knows better. CFK was under investigation, no secret. Now she is charged with crimes of corruption theft and treason, and still not incarcerated.
    Just ask the average citizen if that is a double standard compared to the poor who may only be stealing the necessities to support their families or in some cases, their chosen indolent lifestyles.

    Timerman is under house arrest, sounds pretty cushy for someone investigated and charged for crimes against the state.

    EM is right, one law for the Argentines with money and influence, and a different scenario for 'those who do not matter'.

    Dec 08th, 2017 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Stoker

    She looks worried to me
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXsYvLdIyvg
    My great grandmother (born 1881) was fond of biblical quotations and among her favourites was Numbers 32:23 “be sure your sins will find you out”.

    Dec 08th, 2017 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zaphod Beeblebrox

    The ghost of Nisman has returned to haunt her! If Nisman's evidence wasn't destroyed then his murder merely delayed the inevitable. Given her high profile, I'd expect that the authorities would have to be pretty sure of their evidence before taking this step and they have certainly taken their time.

    I always assumed that she'd be tripped up, like Al Capone, for tax evasion or similar but you don't get much bigger than treason!

    Lightning,

    “Now she is charged with crimes of corruption theft and treason, and still not incarcerated.””

    I guess that she will have to have her immunity from prosecution removed before that happens.

    BK,

    Just think, if she goes to prison it may be easier for you to meet her. I expect that you could go and visit her, but physical contact may not be allowed.

    Dec 08th, 2017 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Pete Bog

    How amusing that Gollum has said the Falkland Islanders don't exist. If he ends up in chokey, I doubt anyone will remember he exists.

    Dec 08th, 2017 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    @BK “ ....Bonadio ....guessing that was when he was being “reliable” for Menem. ”

    --Nisman found out what not being reliable for CFK meant

    Dec 08th, 2017 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Two words...:
    Sally Burch...

    Dec 09th, 2017 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    The charge of “treason” was fabricated on a false assumption.

    It assumes Iran is at war with Argentina, which of course was never the case. No war declaration was ever issued, and diplomatic relations never ceased.

    The famous memorandum of understanding was never put in practice, so there is no crime. It was an act of government, approved by Congress. Judge Bonadio tries to get around this by stating the legislators were tricked into voting for it.

    Bonadio may launch a case, but a different thing is to keep a sentence firm on the allegations.

    If the case ever goes to a courtroom it will go down in history as the biggest judicial fiasco ever.

    Dec 09th, 2017 - 01:28 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Marti Llazo

    @rickety “... it will go down in history as the biggest judicial fiasco ever...”

    Or maybe will provide kirchnerism with the opportunity to suicide a few more people.

    Dec 09th, 2017 - 03:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Two words...
    Argie Turnips

    Dec 09th, 2017 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    @Think
    She is one of the people banned from the WTO conference? What the hell is Macri playing at?

    And Mercopress, when are you going to report on it?

    Dec 09th, 2017 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Stoker

    Crissie is as f*ck*d as this woman
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO90z6ehR0M
    ;-D

    Dec 09th, 2017 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    Mr. DemonTree...

    Yesterdays deportations of Anglo reporter Ms. Sally Burch and my conregional..., Mr. Petter Titland..., show clearly what Mr. Maurizio Macri's administration position on democracy and plurality really are...

    Returning now to the topic of the article..., a bit of Argie *“history” ...:

    Mme. Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner is being acused by the right of Treason and Corruption...

    Mr. José de San Martin was accused by the right of Treason and Corruption... He lived and died quite austerely... He is today an Icon for us Argies....

    Mr. Juan Manuel de Rosas was accused by the right of Treason and Corruption... He died quite austerely... He is today a legend for us Argies...

    Mr. Hipólito Irigoyen was accused by the right of Corruption... He lived and died extremely austerely... He is today an example for us Argies...

    Mr. Juan Domingo Perón was accused by the right of Treason and Corruption...
    He died quite austerely... He is today..., well..., Juan Domingo Perón for us Argies ;-)

    Mme. Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner is indeed in good company...!


    * (Inspired by Luis Bruschtein's excellent article...:
    https://www.pagina12.com.ar/81524-de-traidores )

    Dec 09th, 2017 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Marti Llazo

    @tinkle “... Kirchner is being acused [sic] by the right of Treason and Corruption.”

    Kirchner is being accused and prosecuted by the courts. What the right-minded may think is secondary.

    It's worth noting that tinkle cites the Kirchnerist press, of which Pagina12 is a fine example.

    Dec 09th, 2017 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Think

    TWIMC...

    The Anglo Turnip above just mentioned something they like to call...: “The Kirchnerist Press”...

    Could anybody please give me three (3) examples of this so called “ Kirchnerist Press”...?

    Good luck searching...;-)

    Dec 09th, 2017 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse -7
  • Enrique Massot

    Blocking the attendance of ONGs and building a black list of 60 people of which two were deported Friday shows the true nature of the Macri government,beyond anything opponents may say.

    Beyond party politics, anybody claiming respect for the right to free expression should be appalled by this arbitrary decision of the Macri government.

    Dec 09th, 2017 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse -5
  • DemonTree

    @Think
    “Yesterdays deportations of Anglo reporter Ms. Sally Burch and my conregional..., Mr. Petter Titland..., show clearly what Mr. Maurizio Macri's administration position on democracy and plurality really are...”

    Yes. I still don't understand what he gains by banning them though. The article I read said that even the WTO protested the ban, so why did he do it?

    Dec 09th, 2017 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Mr.DemonTree...

    “So, why did he do it?”..., you ask...

    Because that's the true position of Mr. Maurizio Macri and his peers on democracy and pluralism..., I already told you...

    You seem to Think that people like Maurizio Macri live and act by the same ethical and moral values as little you..., or me...

    They don't..., lad

    Dec 09th, 2017 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -5
  • Marti Llazo

    tinkle: ” ... three (3) examples of this so called “ Kirchnerist Press”....“

    Either tinkle is playing exceptionally stupid or he really is from California.

    For the benefit of others: during the Kirchnerist years, the media that might have dared to criticise kirchnerism quite simply didn't get to share in any sort of even way in the millions in public money spent on ”government advertising“- ergo - ”publicidad y propaganda“ and ”difusión de actos oficiales” and whatnot. For 2014, during the CFK reign, that amounted to an average of about 5 million pesos per day that went to media friendly to her government.

    Pagina12 was among those who greatly moderated their reporting of the crimes and other failings of Kirchnerism as the price for getting ....dirty money. In the first part of 2013, Pagina12, with comparatively minor distribution compared to the Clarin group circulation, got some 24 million vs the paltry 1 million or so that the Clarin group received in these public announcement monies. During the same time the Kirchnerist media group of Szpolski-Garfunkle (Veintitrés, etc) received over 83 million pesos, again with poor cost-benefit if reaching readers were the real objective. Others in this group of pro-Kirchner media included Grupo Indalo with Cristóbal López, with 12.6 million or so. The whole story of the Kirchnerist efforts to control the use of public and private media for its purposes would be a splendidly revealing topic to explore, and one that, in a just world, would have CFK behind bars for decades.

    --

    reekie “.... anybody claiming respect for the right to free expression should be appalled...”

    See above, concerning liberty of the media under Kirchnerism, and how it bought moderation or silence from critics.

    And for the WTO conference -- remember that the serious nations occasionally sense the need to control violent groups and deport foreign criminals.

    Dec 09th, 2017 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Think

    TWIMC...

    1) Anglo Turnip above used hours to search the Internet and couldn't find no even a couple of examples of existing so called “Kirchnerist Press...
    He even turnipy mentions the ”INDALO NEWS GROUP”..., that..., as everybody in Argentina knows..., was recently bough by a Maurizio Macri associate who..., immediately fired its top journalists..., reducing C5N TV channel wiewer ratings fom about 11% to less than 1%...

    2) Returning now to the topic of the article..., Ronald K.Noble..., Secretary General of INTERPOL between the year 2000 to 2014..., has just tweeted very bluntly about judge Bonadio and one very central (but false) argument presented on this case...:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/RKNGlobal/status/939523732871229445
    Geeeeeee...
    The leader of the INTERPOL during 14years..., drectly calling Argie judge Bonadio...: “biased” and directly implying that he's lying...!
    Who shall we believe...?

    Dec 09th, 2017 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse -7
  • Mick23

    About time...! As they say in America “Lock them Up!!” forever...

    Dec 10th, 2017 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
    “He is today an Icon for us Argies….”
    So you have confirmed what was blatantly obvious along. So in spite of your past equivocations and lies as to being Argentinean. I will be here to remind you of your present admission.

    Dec 10th, 2017 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Marti Llazo

    tinkle, you have so much to learn about Argentina.

    Any idea why the Kirchnerist press started to fall apart as CFK was departing? Doh !

    .......Con el cambio de escenario político, se inicia la descomposición del grupo de medios ultrakirchnerista que más publicidad oficial recibió durante la gestión de Cristina Fernández de Kirchner. El Grupo Veintitrés, de Sergio Szpolski y Matías Garfunkel, puso a la venta en estos días el diario Tiempo Argentino, Radio América y la cadena de noticias CN23. .....

    Tinkle gives us sooooooo many opportunities to remind our readers of the many faces of Kirchnerist corruption in this country.

    Dec 10th, 2017 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Voice

    Obviously Terry is referring to Mr. Think...but does anyone understand WTF he is talking about...?

    Dec 10th, 2017 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse -7
  • DemonTree

    @Think
    “You seem to Think that people like Maurizio Macri live and act by the same ethical and moral values as little you..., or me...”

    I don't assume that. But I don't imagine he does things for the evulz or because he hates our freedoms either. Presumably it benefits him in some way to prevent the NGOs attending, but I have no idea how.

    And wow, that Interpol tweet is quite revealing. This case and the dollar futures case seem particularly dubious because they are seemingly attempting to criminalise the normal actions of the President. That is a dangerous thing to do; the government, including the President, need to be free to do their jobs and make policy without fearing criminal prosecution. If they make a poor decision the penalty should come at the ballot box, not in court.

    @Marti
    “See above, concerning liberty of the media under Kirchnerism, and how it bought moderation or silence from critics.”

    Are you sure you live in Argentina? There was PLENTY of criticism of CFK while she was president. Not all of it was true, either.

    And Pagina12 still seems to be a big supporter of CFK. How much money are they getting from her these days?

    “And for the WTO conference -- remember that the serious nations occasionally sense the need to control violent groups and deport foreign criminals.”

    I don't remember any serious nations deporting accredited journalists who were invited to an international conference. What happened to your usual spiel about how backwards Argentina is? It's okay when Macri does it?

    @Voice
    I haven't a clue. And, I suspect, neither does he...

    Dec 10th, 2017 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse -7
  • Think

    To Mr. British_Kirchnerist...
    A picture from today's gals meeting...
    They have shed a coup,e of stones these two...;-)
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQorS_oW4AAfhQR.jpg

    Dec 10th, 2017 - 02:43 am - Link - Report abuse -9
  • Enrique Massot

    @Think

    Great photo!

    @DT

    You are looking for some logic to president Macri's actions--you will find none.

    It would be difficult for a foreigner to understand the deeply backward nature of Argentina's ultra rich and powerful.

    These are people for whom the rules of capitalism don't apply. They have remained in a semi-feudal mindset, dreaming of Argentina's gold age, when cereal and meat exports made Argentine estancieros swim in currency. You can see it in Macri's early cancellation of export taxes to agricultural products (and mining products too) and the more recent appointment of Luis Miguel Etchevere, president of the big productors' Rural Society, as minister of AgroIndustry.

    Although Macri, as son of an Italian immigrant does not belong to the old oligarchic families, he will go out of his way to make them happy--and richer.

    The above may help understand the logic of “opening the country to the world” and end up with a huge fiscal deficit and massive borrowing, the politics of de-industrialization and importing, and above all, the climate of revenge--not on Kirchnerists only--but on the people at large with a surge of police brutality with open endorsement from the highest levels of government.

    Finally, that oligarchic, reactionary mindset is what pushed the recent deportations and the prohibition to many ONGs to attend the summit of the World Trade Organization in Argentina. Mind you, for now there is still a deeply backwards sector of the Argentina middle class who admires the rich and powerful in hopes to do well at their shadow. They are applauding the jailing of Kirchnerists, the police repression and a proposed regressive labour law. For reference, you just need to look at Marti's postings.

    It's only later that they will realize their mistake--but then it will be too late.

    Dec 10th, 2017 - 06:32 am - Link - Report abuse -9
  • The Voice

    Its great to observe the squirming of the odious corrupt Peronistas and their quislings after all these years of their sickening intimidation of the Falkland Islanders. Worry can be a major cause of weight loss. Now they are facing the courts, boy are they worried....!

    Dec 10th, 2017 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Think

    TWIMC...

    Uppppppppppps....

    The Argie Right seems to have realised today that their Circus TV footage of shackled functionaries of the previous administration..., forced to wear bullet proof helmets and vests..., being arrested and pished around by some 100 Robocops a piece..., brandishing unexisting laws..., crimes or even wars..., ain't working as planed...

    Below.... a little sample of today's articles from just one of their mouthpieces..., backpedalling like hell...:
    1) http://www.lanacion.com.ar/2089899-el-macrismo-cuestiona-el-concepto-de-acto-de-guerra
    2) www.lanacion.com.ar/2089858-vacaciones-urgentes-para-bonadio
    3) www.lanacion.com.ar/2089897-efecto-cristina-busca-el-gobierno-reflotar-un-proyecto-para-limitar-la-prision-preventiva
    4) www.lanacion.com.ar/2089898-luce-negro-el-futuro-de-la-causa-por-traicion-a-la-patria
    5) www.lanacion.com.ar/2089841-san-martin-rosas-peron-y-cristina-los-acusados-por-traicion-a-la-patria

    Too late..., too little..., gorilas...
    El Think...

    Dec 10th, 2017 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse -6
  • DemonTree

    “Claramente en el bando de los perdedores está la administración de justicia, porque una prisión preventiva se justifica sólo en caso de obstrucción de la causa o peligro de fuga. Ya no es posible obstruir un caso conocido hasta en sus mínimos detalles, y la señora no le va a dar el gusto al país de rajarse.”

    Ha, that's just what I said! And this also:

    “”Esto es un error judicial“, dijo Fragueiro Frías al analizar la acusación contra el ex funcionario. Señaló que el pacto con Irán ”no es un delito, a lo sumo podrá gustar o no la política pero el memorándum no es delito”.

    Argentina was never at war with Iran, so how can it be treason? But I wasn't expecting La Nacion to agree.

    @EM
    I can see logic to his removing tariffs on agricultural exports, and most of the things Macri has done, even if I think some were foolish decisions. But I don't see the logic to this. These NGOs must have presented some kind of problem to him, or someone he supports, else why bother banning them?

    Dec 10th, 2017 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse -6
  • Marti Llazo

    What happens when you let Just Anybody attend the WTO gatherings

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFamvR9CpYw&t=559s

    Dec 10th, 2017 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    TWIMC...

    And the back pedaling of the Argie Right seems to know no end today...
    Anybody remembers the deportation from Argentina of my conregional..., Mr. Petter Titland...?
    Well after a cozy diplomatic chat of three Scandinavian ambassadeurs with the turnips currently in charge of the Argie foreign affairs ministry..., Mr. Tittland is again welcome in Argentina...,and on his way back as we speak...

    By the way..., Mr. Petter Slaatrem Titland ain't “Just Anybody”
    The four men/women strong Secretariat of ATTAC NORGE...
    http://attac.no/organisasjon/sekretariat/
    ... of which he is the leader..., is directy responsible of the repatriation and recovery of some 50,000 millions of tax dollars once hidden in Offshore Tax Havens from the Norwegian exchequer...

    Goooooood boy... ;-)))

    Dec 10th, 2017 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse -6
  • DemonTree

    Lol. Marti can't tell the difference between NGOs accredited by the WTO, there to attend the meetings, and random protesters.

    @Think
    They investigate Offshore Tax Havens? Finally a reason why Macri might object to them attending.

    We could with a group like that ourselves.

    Dec 10th, 2017 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse -6
  • Think

    You 'ave...:
    http://www.globaljustice.org.uk

    Dec 10th, 2017 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • DemonTree

    @Think
    And I see this group have also been banned from Argentina, according to them for campaigning for more accountability in trade deals.

    From their site you can email the Argentine Ambassador to object, but I suppose everyone else here is perfectly happy for British groups to be banned from Argentina at short notice with no reason given.

    Also, 3 downvotes already? That was quick. Hey downvoters, anyone care to tell me why?

    Dec 10th, 2017 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse -5
  • Think

    Mr. DemonTree...

    Just for your kind info...

    Two days ago..., a french journalist..., Isabelle Bourboulon..., was detained in Buenos Aires and told she was being deported... She picked the phone..., called the French ambassadeur and five minutes after..., whilst she still was speaking to him..., a miffed Argie policeman entered the room and ask her to interrupt the phone call because the problem had been solved and she was free to stay in Argentina as much as she fancied...

    Two days ago..., a Norwegian activist..., Petter Slaatrem Titland..., was detained in Buenos Aires and told he was being deported...
    He called the Norwegian ambassadeur but was deported anyway... where the heck is Norwa, anyway..., seemed to be the policemen logic... Today..., after a coordinated diplomatic action of the Scandinavian Countries he has been permited to enter Argentina and will be assisting the conference tomorrow...

    Two days ago..., a British journalist..., Sally Burch..., was detained in Buenos Aires and told she was being deported... She called the British Embassy... Nobody took any action about her case... She was deported and..., as we speak..., I have no news of any action in her defence taken by the British Embassy...

    Dec 10th, 2017 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • British_Kirchnerist

    More than 3 I'm afraid, I voted you up!

    Dec 10th, 2017 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse -8
  • Marti Llazo

    The Macri government seems to be drawing the line on “activist” journalists who in their opinion are more activist than journalist.

    Burch acknowledged that she had been banned from entering Argentina to attend the conference but decided to try to sneak into Argentina anyway as a tourist. She was caught.

    tinkle: “[Petter Slaatrem Titland] ...will be assisting the conference tomorrow.”

    How did someone go from being deported to “assisting the conference”?

    Dec 10th, 2017 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse +6
  • DemonTree

    @Marti
    “How did someone go from being deported to 'assisting the conference'?”

    Have you tried reading the middle of that sentence you quoted the beginning and end of?

    Perhaps you should see someone for your mysterious reading comprehension problem.

    @BK
    Brave, aren't they?

    Dec 10th, 2017 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse -8
  • Voice

    A lot of silent down tickers about... down ticking innocuous comments...
    If you disapprove, speak up and state your reasons, most of the people commenting don't bother down ticking each other....
    So.. make yourself and your views known...mysterious down tickers...

    Dec 11th, 2017 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse -6
  • Enrique Massot

    @ML

    “How did someone go from being deported to “assisting the conference”?”

    Simple!

    Petter Slaatrem Titland had been detained and deported for no reason other than the deep backwardness the Macri government is increasingly exhibiting.

    As soon as they had to explain it to diplomats, the only possible way out was to do a quick turn around, recognizing the foolishness of their actions.

    It also appears the roadblock had been implemented only on main airports and that others were able to get in.

    Dec 11th, 2017 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Mick23

    They're guilty... Everyone knows it... They're just playing politics Argentine style !

    Dec 11th, 2017 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Marti Llazo

    No, it's not “simple” reekie. Try to answer the question. There is no evidence that Titland is going to be assisting the conference. Attending, evidently, but I don't find any evidence that he is actually assisting the conference.

    So “others were able to get in” against the orders of the government? Sounds just like your kind of people, reekie. Likely you'll be cheering the violent outcomes as well.

    Dec 11th, 2017 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Enrique Massot

    ML

    Oh, come on Marti, not even you believe for a second what you are writing!

    Pity you. Apprentice sorcerer Macri & Co. are making your task more difficult with each passing day, and semantics does not work anymore.

    Macri and associates had become, in the last few months, used to send brutal police repression on any popular demonstration. They thought of using similar tools with the ONGs attending the WTO summit, but had to quick backtrack when foreign governments intervened.

    Another fiasco, this time international, that piles up with the clumsy management of the ARA San Juan tragedy, threats to reduce the retirees' pay and much more.

    Dec 11th, 2017 - 04:28 am - Link - Report abuse -8
  • gordo1

    Enrique Massot

    I think it is very unfair to blame Macri's government for the tragedy of ARA San Juan. All blame for the disaster should be directed at la Kretina and her motley crew!

    Dec 11th, 2017 - 06:43 am - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Think

    TWIMC...

    Iván Schargrodsky..., IMHO..., by far Argentinas' best investigative journalist..., has just asked some very direct questions to the former INTERPOL director during 14 years..., Mr. Ronald K. Noble...

    Here..., some of Mr. Ronald K. Noble very direct answers...:

    “ ” ” As it relates to INTERPOL and the AMIA Red Notices, Judge Bonadio's report is FALSE, MISLEADING and INCOMPLETE...

    For example, there was NEVER any request by (a) the Republic of Argentina, (b) then Foreign Minister Timerman or (c) any person from Argentina to remove the AMIA Red Notices.

    How can he (Bonadio) say that I was not impartial because I had friendly relations with Hector Timerman when I had even friendlier relations with Alberto Nisman whom I visited while he was on vacations in Punta del Este, Uruguay? “ ” ”
    https://mobile.twitter.com/ischargro/status/940031184733487105/photo/1

    VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS..., TURNIPS...
    El Think...

    Dec 11th, 2017 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse -3
  • DemonTree

    I'm honestly surprised Marti is supporting Macri on this one. It's not the sort of thing that happens in his favourite 'civilised' countries, but I guess when it comes to repression he prefers the third world model...

    @Voice
    I reckon a lot of people here downvote comments and posters that they dislike, but that doesn't mean they can argue against them. The truth is the truth, they don't have to like it.

    @Think
    That's gotta be awkward for Bonadio. Perhaps he'll be taking his retirement even earlier than scheduled?

    PS. Please can you tell me why the journalist in your second La Nacion article ( http://www.lanacion.com.ar/2089858-vacaciones-urgentes-para-bonadio ) wants Bonadio to have a tilde in his name? I didn't understand that part.

    Dec 11th, 2017 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Voice

    DemonTree

    I'm obviously well liked then...
                                                   ...what's not to like...;-)

    Dec 11th, 2017 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Think

    TWIMC...
    And the former INTERPOL Secretary General ends his diatribe against Argie judge Bonadio by saying...:
    “ ” “ Judge Bonadio issued a biased report without any evidence to support his false conclusion that Argentina and INTERPOL had a secret agreement to remove the AMIA Red Notices.
    All of the evidence proves overwhelmingly that there was never any request by Argentina to remove the AMIA Red Notices and that INTERPOL's rules would have prevented them from being removed because of the Memorandum.
    Therefore Judge Bonadio's report on this issue should be completely discredited...” “ ”
    Say no more..., I say...

    Mr. DemonTree...
    1) Judge Bonadio officialy requested his retirement on the 21/11/17...
    By the rules of the Argie Judicial System..., he should had ceased all work activity that very same day..., unless he previously had requested a deferral to the Supreme Court President...
    As no such deferral petition has been published in the Official Bulletin..., Judge Bonadio is officially retired from the 21/11/17 ...
    That could represent a slight problem for the legality of any of his rulings posterior to the 21/11/17...
    Like the one from the 07/12/17...
    https://revolucionpopular.com/noticia/1657/nota-bonadio-habria-iniciado-su-jubilacion-para-evitar-que-el-juicio-politico
    2) The journalist in my second article wants Bonadio to have a tilde in his name because he
    apparently doesn't know that there are no accentuation rules for surnames...

    Mr. Voice...
    :-)))

    Dec 11th, 2017 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • DemonTree

    @Think
    Interesting. That seems to provide an easy way to drop the case if the government should so wish, without having to do something inconvenient like examine the evidence.

    I guess 'tilde' means any accent in Spanish then. In English it refers specifically to this thing: ~, which you are all so fond of putting on top of 'n's. How can anyone cope with not knowing how to pronounce a name you've only seen written? It must be so terrible for that poor journalist. Imagine how he'd react to 'St John' and 'Featherstonehaugh'. ;)

    @Voice
    Perhaps it's the dots?

    Dec 11th, 2017 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse -8
  • Think

    Ellipses..., boy..., ellipses...

    Dec 11th, 2017 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse -8
  • Enrique Massot

    @Gordo

    “I think it is very unfair to blame Macri's government for the tragedy of ARA San Juan.”

    You could've had a good point there, Gordo. But I fear you half-read my posting and thought your Eureka! moment had arrived. Take another look:

    “Another fiasco, this time international, that piles up with the clumsy management of the ARA San Juan tragedy...”

    Now that you are reading it again you realize I wasn't blaming Macri for the sinking but for his mishandling of the aftermath.

    “All blame for the disaster should be directed at la Kretina and her motley crew!”

    Seems you have come to conclusions already. You probably have privileged sources. I will only alert you that using disrespectful terms does not add much value to your points. On the contrary, it speaks more about yourself than it does about your target.

    Dec 12th, 2017 - 04:59 am - Link - Report abuse -5
  • gordo1

    Enrique Massot

    My remarks were “liked” by at least 8 other readers which implies they, too, interpreted your comments as I did.

    As far as “la Kretina and her motley crew” - what don't you like “Kretina” or “motley”?

    Dec 12th, 2017 - 06:39 am - Link - Report abuse +7
  • Marti Llazo

    gordito, I suspect that el reekie would prefer that we use the approved substitute moniker for La Kretina, which I believe is La Yegua.

    ¿Cuántas causas judiciales tiene abiertas Cristina Fernández de Kirchner?

    Dec 12th, 2017 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • DemonTree

    @gordo1
    I wouldn't read too much into the up votes.  Anyone who criticises CFK on here is bound to get a bunch of them, since she is so unpopular.

    Personally I think the Navy should get most of the blame for the poor handling of the tragedy, and until we know what caused it it would be wisest to suspend judgement.

    Dec 12th, 2017 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Marti Llazo

    Now trying to blame the Germans for the bribes and kickbacks involved in the rework of the lost submarine

    http://www.elnuevoherald.com/noticias/mundo/america-latina/article189036154.html

    Dec 12th, 2017 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Think

    TWIMC
    And the backpedalling from the right continues vertiginously...
    The last ones to try to distance themselves from Judge Bonadio's biased indictment of Mme.Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner for treason in the AMIA case are.....................................:
    The AMIA itself...
    http://www.bigbangnews.com/politica/En-la-AMIA-toman-distancia-de-la-resolucion-de-Bonadio-y-apuestan-al-juicio-en-ausencia-20171211-0027.html

    Anglo Turnip MartiLlazo...
    If you want to offend somebody in Spanish..., at least learn what them words mean...:
    “ YEGUA...: Mujer atractiva y con buen cuerpo, vista como objeto sexual.
    Ámbito.....: Argentina, Uruguay, Río de la Plata.
    Uso...........: Coloquial, cumplido o piropo.”
    http://www.bigbangnews.com/politica/En-la-AMIA-toman-distancia-de-la-resolucion-de-Bonadio-y-apuestan-al-juicio-en-ausencia-20171211-0027.html

    What a Turnip...!

    Dec 12th, 2017 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • imoyaro

    Ambito, derived from ambitus, the Late Republican period of Rome's term for electoral corruption. The company that acquired and liquidated the BsAs Herald. Yeah, I know what it means...

    Dec 12th, 2017 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Marti Llazo

    tinkle, in Argentina (and Uruguay as well), “yegua” is the equivalent of calling someone a bitch. It is sometimes used ironically, as a north american might refer to a good looking woman as a bitch.

    Yegua (Argentina): “Mujer por lo general de mal accionar o de mala conducta, se utiliza esta palabra para hablar despectivamente de alguna mujer que es cuestionada.”

    Or as someone in Bs As puts it.... (and even you could probably figure out which one truly fits)

    En el habla cotidiana tiene también otros significados, referidos siempre a la mujer:
    - Ponderativo, aplicado a una fémina con un cuerpo escultural.
    - Despectivo, aplicado a una mujer que es mala persona.
    - Ofensivo, utilizado como insulto, por ejemplo en una discusión callejera.

    Our chileno neighbours here on the foro will also recognise that a yegua is a dishonourable type.

    Tinkle, if you insist on reliance on dictionaries covering Latin America generally, and not Argentina specifically, you'll never properly learn the language here.

    Dec 12th, 2017 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Think

    Geeeeeeeee....
    What a laughable Chutzpah...!
    The turnipy Anglo immigrant above tryin' to teach Spanish to an Argie native...
    (An Argie native that has been married to three sculptural yeguas..., on top of it...;-)

    Dec 12th, 2017 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -5
  • Stoker

    “However, Fernández de Kirchner’s won’t command too much influence in the senate. She will only lead a caucus of eight people, taking into account that Senator Miguel Ángel Pichetto has already indicated the group of 25 senators who rally behind the Justicialist Party’s flag want nothing to do with her.”
    http://www.thebubble.com/extraordinary-sessions-congress-cristina-kirchner-senate/
    ......like rats deserting a sinking ship ;-D

    Dec 12th, 2017 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • The Voice

    Tinkle, presently resident in Brook Street has been cruelly exposed by Marti the true Voice of South America.

    Dec 12th, 2017 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    ROFL. 'True Voice.' Are you trying to imply that Timmy Mallett is a sock puppet?

    Dec 12th, 2017 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • gordo1

    I always that “yegua” applied to a female of the human species had only one meaning - P - - A!

    Dec 12th, 2017 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Enrique Massot

    Gordo:

    So you believe votes can override your own understanding of a text?

    I would then say you're ready to become a politician...after all, votes is all Donald Trump can claim as accomplishment so far...same as Mauricio Macri.

    And if you're going to persist calling Cristina names, then yes, please use “yegua.” We've appropriated the nick from the gorillas.

    Dec 12th, 2017 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Think

    Sr. Massot...

    As a matter of fact..., I seem to remember Mme. Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner commenting quite positively about that very Argie machista epithet “Yegua”..., quite wrongly used by the Gorilas as intended term of abuse....

    I Think though..., that for obvious feminine reasons... she would had preferred to be called “potranca” or “potra”... ;-)))

    Dec 12th, 2017 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Voice

    Do you mean this Marti the “True Voice” of South America...?

    ....Ok...I hate Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Guyana, Paraguay, Peru, Suriname, Uruguay, Oh and Venezuela...
    I hate all the politicians, all the people and I hate you...
    ps...I hate myself...
    and Spain...

    Dec 12th, 2017 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    Only you are old enough to call her that, Think!

    @Voice
    :)

    PS. You forgot France...

    Dec 12th, 2017 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Marti Llazo

    tinkle may be referring to this event in which CFK recognises that she is widely referred to as a bitch/yegua and attempts to make light of it:

    “Cristina se sacó una foto con una yegua y se burló de sus detractores” (was in the website El Patagonico but the event was covered in dozens of other sources)

    And in recognising this, it seems that tinkle is finally starting to understand how argentinish is spoken here. Ergo.... la Kretina: “ A mí me decían yegua, puta y montonera....” (this has become a rather well known and much-repeated phrase here in Argentina....even made it into some academic papers here.... not sure what part of California tinkle has been in to have missed it). But I think it's clear what sort of “argentine” he is pretending to be if he is so unfamiliar with the local language and relies instead on his media naranja for explanations.

    @gordo1: “....applied to a female of the human species had only one meaning - P - - A!”

    Even gordito understands and he's not even argento !!

    Dec 12th, 2017 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • The Voice

    Tinkle, did you get your porridge this morning ;)))). Nip along and see the Wallace Collection, its not far.

    Dec 12th, 2017 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • DemonTree

    Martillazo, is this you?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwyxzgnaTMY

    Dec 12th, 2017 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Think

    Mr. DemonTree...

    You say...:
    “Only you are old enough to call her that, Think!”

    I say...:
    I'm old enough to call her an embrión de potrllita..., lad...

    Dec 12th, 2017 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • DemonTree

    Ewww. She wouldn't find that one flattering. Are you as old as the Queen?

    Dec 12th, 2017 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Think

    Ya mean Lilbet..., that young lass...?

    Dec 12th, 2017 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • DemonTree

    Heh, you make yourself sound about 180. But you must have lived through so much history; wars, coups, a million inventions... what was Argentina like when you were young?

    Dec 12th, 2017 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Lightning

    Tinkle

    How many innocents did you toss to Spanish Inquisition when you were young?

    Dec 13th, 2017 - 02:23 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • gordo1

    Think

    “three sculptural yeguas” - so you are a very wealthy man?

    Dec 13th, 2017 - 06:27 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • The Voice

    DT, are you a fan of The Cure?

    Dec 13th, 2017 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    I like some of their songs, but not especially. Why?

    Dec 13th, 2017 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • The Voice

    I have a link for pre sale tickets for their 40th anniversary concert in Hyde Park in early July Thought you might be interested , great lineup Interpol, Goldfrapp, Editors, Ride, Slowdive and The Twilight Sad. From £70..

    Dec 13th, 2017 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Think

    Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...
    The Voice..., a Turnip and a Ticket tout...
    ;-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

    Dec 13th, 2017 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • The Voice

    Not far from Brook Street Tinkle. You obviously prefer the pipes, music for dinosaurs! Guessed DT was a hipster, obviously not...

    Dec 13th, 2017 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    Heh, a hipster. Is this how you imagine me?

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=hipster&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiuxabbg4jYAhVGPRQKHUK5A3gQ_AUICigB&biw=1164&bih=537#imgrc=WODZqRn8vKIlFM:

    Dec 13th, 2017 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Think

    Mr. DemonTree...
    I imagine you more like this...;-)
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7f/06/c7/7f06c7054ed9bdcae35ae127e6df8ce3.jpg

    Dec 13th, 2017 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • DemonTree

    Lol. I think you know me a little better than The Voice.

    How about you? I'm imagining some combination of this: https://russellgrantham.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/gaucho.jpeg and this: https ://i.pinimg.com/736x/68/f8/da/68f8dad5318d8de39b6ad9fc2edd3f03--earl-ragnar-the-last-kingdom.jpg and it isn't coming together.

    Dec 13th, 2017 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • The Voice

    Think? A drooling old git something like https://goo.gl/images/983A1W

    ..and that doesnt look like E Leics to me? Way off course.

    Dec 13th, 2017 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Voice

    Speaking of old Gits...
    I know what The Voice looks like...
    I have a photo of him...;-)))))))

    Dec 14th, 2017 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Think

    Mr. Voice...
    My favourite is the one of him and the elephant in India...
    You can hardly disinguish who is who...;-)

    Dec 14th, 2017 - 01:45 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • The Voice

    I have never been photographed with an Elephant Tinkle, thats undoubtably someone else. As for Baldy, I have a photo of him loitering... ;-))))) Old and git fit him quite nicely.

    Dec 14th, 2017 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Lord Lucan

    You mean John King sitting side saddle with an old lady on a Jumbo, Great Rail Journey's tour manager. Diamond bloke, deals with annoying tat vendors and even directs traffic.. Fail Tinkle ;-) . Post a photo of your horses, difficult from Brook Street.

    Dec 14th, 2017 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • DemonTree

    @TV
    I dunno where it is, but my garden is nothing like that tidy. I guess it's in a city somewhere.

    @Think
    Yeah, post a picture of your horses. That's harmless enough.

    Dec 14th, 2017 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Think

    Mr.DemonTree...

    1) Berkeley, CA.
    http://barensfeld.com/projects/hilgard-garden/

    2) Why...?
    Want to buy some...?

    Dec 14th, 2017 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • DemonTree

    Damn, not a leaf out of place. It's just like the ones they build on TV, my garden could never look that good. Are you trying to make me jealous?

    And no thanks, it would cost a fortune to keep a horse round here, and I don't know how to ride anyway. But I'd like to see what your horse farm looks like, and I'm sure you can avoid identifying chacteristics.

    Dec 14th, 2017 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • The Voice

    Tinkle can no doubt supply horses in convenient freezer packs. Argieland is a leading producer.. http://en.mercopress.com/2011/05/04/argentina-leads-in-horse-meat-exports-23.880-tons-in-2010

    He wont confirm what he does with the heads but the Barra Bravas are a likely destination ;-))))))))))))))))))

    Dec 14th, 2017 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    Mr. DemonTree...

    Nice little hipster garden, huhh...?
    Speaking about hipsters... and horses...
    Here's a little hipster video featuring some horses of mine...
    Direct bloodline from Aimé Tschiffely's Gato & Mancha...
    Them poor things didn't like that fog machine at all...
    And no..., that humble Patagonian shed ain't Sr.Think's humble Patagonian Shed...

    Dec 14th, 2017 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • The Voice

    Snigger snigger Tinkle... Senior moment?

    C'mon, what do you do with the heads?

    Dec 14th, 2017 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Silly me..., forgot the link...:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3x3eoyg9usY

    Dec 14th, 2017 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Typical modern ad nonsense. Some greasy looking twerp pretending to be in touch with nature to try and flog overpriced scent to impressionable morons.

    C'mon, what do you do with the heads?

    Dec 14th, 2017 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    On second thoughts, my garden is better, even though it doesn't look like a design advert. Room to grow things and grass to sit on. I'd hate to live in a city, and it's worth putting up with the rain to live in a green and pleasant land.

    @TV
    I'm inclined to agree.

    I expect the heads end up in Findus 'beef' lasange...

    Dec 14th, 2017 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    TWIMC
    Buenos Aires boiling..., as we speak...
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3FqxTjT63Vs

    Dec 14th, 2017 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Wow. Do they put dye in the water cannon so they can arrest people later? Interesting choice of colour.

    Dec 14th, 2017 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Well...
    That was quick...!
    Retreat from Macri & Co...
    Until some minutes ago..., they thought they had parlamentary majority to fkuck the pensioners and the recipients of the AUH...(some 16,000,000 of us)...
    They didn't even reach Quorum to discuss their dirty plans...

    Mr. DemonTree...
    In me time..., the water was red and they put some H2S and other niceties in it...
    ( the good ol' times :-)

    Dec 14th, 2017 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    “@TV
    I'm inclined to agree. ” Wow!

    Think's garden is the sort thats not a garden, its a hipster garden with no soul for folk that dont like gardening or perhaps a low maintenance hotel spot for smokers.

    Dec 14th, 2017 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @Think
    That's good right? I was going to ask if the cut in pensions would affect you. There seemed to be a lot of angry deputies(?) in your video.

    I suppose the demonstrations will probably continue even if the government has abandoned the plan, which is unfortunate.

    Hydrogen sulphide. Nice. Did they ever bother arresting people who got hit by the dye, or is it just to scare people?

    Dec 14th, 2017 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Think

    IMHO..., that's very good...
    An inflection point..., i hope...

    Dec 14th, 2017 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • The Voice

    Kretinas giveaway is preserved... Pot bangers have won, for the time being...

    Dec 14th, 2017 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    If you're so keen to cut pensions, why don't you start campaigning for it here in Britain, TV?

    Dec 14th, 2017 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Britain's State Pension is already one of the lowest in the worlds developed nations and we contributed to it theoretically. Our poorest older pensioners only have that, and cant live on it alone. I Think Kretinas giveaway was something quite different and it was doshed out in the context of a catastrophic economic situation. Can Argieland afford it?

    Dec 14th, 2017 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @TV
    What was CFK's giveaway, and what was Macri's planned reform?

    And can Britain afford it either? Both governments are borrowing to keep the lights on, as EM likes to put it. And we all know that pensions are paid straight from taxes. People who have nothing else need them, but do you need yours? How about the winter fuel allowance, bus pass and free TV licence?

    Dec 14th, 2017 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Think

    Naaaaaaaaaughty boy... ;-)

    Dec 14th, 2017 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • The Voice

    DT, why ask me, answer your own questions? Just like any household I believe we should run our finances prudently looking after everyone. All through my working life I helped to pay retired peoples pensions, nothing has changed. Now retired 30% of our income goes in various taxes, thats quite enough. Argieland has been a financial basket case. Good luck to those trying to sort it.

    Dec 14th, 2017 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @TV
    I'm sure you wouldn't have described the current pension rules as a giveaway, unless you know what they are. And since you have been to protests yourself, you wouldn't describe the protesters disparagingly as pot bangers unless you understood the reforms they were opposing, right?

    It's not like you decided based solely on who supported what, so you should be able to tell me all about it, no?

    And I see you do not support reducing your own benefits - although you have boasted of how well off you are - any more than people in Argentina do. How very unsurprising.

    Dec 15th, 2017 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Think

    Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaughty boy... ;-)

    Dec 15th, 2017 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • The Voice

    Not quite sure what thats about? Our heating allowance goes to a deaf charity along with Chistmas bonus. A better destination than government coffers. The Sally Army do a great job too, helped my family in hard times.

    Dec 15th, 2017 - 07:27 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • DemonTree

    @TV
    What I am saying is that you are criticising CFK's pension reforms, and supporting Macri's, seemingly without having the first clue what either of them are. That does not inspire respect for your opinions.

    Also, you are supporting cuts for pensioners in Argentina while opposing them for pensioners in the UK, which strikes me as hypocritical. As for 'a better destination than government coffers', I recall you telling me that the government does not have any money, it's all taxpayers money. I appreciate you giving the heating allowance to charity rather than keeping it, but perhaps I would prefer to simply pay less tax...

    Dec 15th, 2017 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse -5
  • Enrique Massot

    The Voice calls improvements to retirees' incomes a “giveaway” and implies the country cannot afford it, all in the name of supporting the Joyful Revolution of Mauricio Macri recently re-christened as the Heavy-Hitting Revolution.

    Others such as Marti supports Macri's deeds, only he says the Kirchnerists stole (in truth re-nationalized) the pension money that had been privatized by sadly famous Carlos Menem.

    And so it goes the narrative: Macri is fighting to benefit the pensioners but the Ks are making people believe otherwise to fuel their obscure objectives. Which goes against what we saw in the last couple days: a solidification of most opposition sectors, including the soft Workers Confederation (CGT).

    What has happened is, the hawks in government thought the recent election results allowed the government to “go for everything” at any cost. And they hit the retirees, most of whom had voted for Cambiemos.

    Power drunkenness is a bad illness.

    Dec 16th, 2017 - 03:33 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • British_Kirchnerist

    Think: la potra ”Short for potranca (Spanish) which is a horse that is hard to tame, wild. Thus it refers to a woman with a strong character who doesn't let any man control her, can't be “tamed”...

    #rebellious #insubmissive #resistant #ballsy #strong...

    a girl that lets no man put her down, a harrd bitch”

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=la%20potra

    That's SO Cristina, no? Will definitely be using it, thanks. I expect Macri will soon discover how unbreakable she is :=) (And it doesn't sound too age dependent, and anyway you don't have to be old to notice how youthful Cristina is, in attitude and appearance)

    Stoker: “However, Fernández de Kirchner’s won’t command too much influence in the senate. She will only lead a caucus of eight people, taking into account that Senator Miguel Ángel Pichetto has already indicated the group of 25 senators who rally behind the Justicialist Party’s flag want nothing to do with her.”

    I'm amazed people keep seeing her distance from the old corruption within Peronism which kept appeasing Macri as such a weakness. The question isn't whether she's isolated in the Senate but whether she's isolated from the people, and as a tribune of intransigent resistance, a potra unbent by the conventions and collaboration of her colleagues, actually will connect her more with those who in a democracy have the final say

    Dec 16th, 2017 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Enrique Massot

    @BK

    A well rounded, full of meaning posting, BK.

    Too bad characters who are stuck in a mix of Thatcherism, Reaganomics and Pinochetist principles will be unable to understand the choices of La Potra Madrina, who instead of seeking alliances with turncoat Peronists prefers to group with the few who remain consistent with what I call true Kirchnerist principles.

    I was amazed at the accomplishments Nestor and Cristina were able to achieve based on the Peronist movement, which is made up of all sorts of people including some real nasty.

    Perhaps time to start to build a new movement with better bases, sending the turncoats to Cambiemos.

    Dec 17th, 2017 - 05:36 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • British_Kirchnerist

    Thanks so much Enrique for the kind words, your posts are full of meaning themselves =) Saw this on the yegua discussion, again something I don't think the Pinochet-Thatcherites on here will appreciate ;) But to those with the class and depth to, enjoy http://vaconfirmamendoza.com.ar/?articulos_seccion_719/id_3011/cristina-y-su-terquedad-de-yegua/imprimir/imprimir/imprimir

    Dec 17th, 2017 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Marti Llazo

    @reekie ”.... the Kirchnerists stole (in truth re-nationalized)...“

    Theft by any other names still stinks of peronism.

    2008: ”.... the [AR] private pension system, which has suffered investment losses but is otherwise sound, now faces permanent nationalisation by a government whose own solvency has been called into question. ... the Buenos Aires stock-exchange index fell 24% in two days, and investors dumped Argentine bonds, sending their yield soaring to 28%. Many economists and opposition politicians fear that the government's intention is to raid the pension funds to fill a widening fiscal hole. “A legalised robbery” was how La Nación, a newspaper, dubbed it in an editorial. ...The private pension system was set up in 1994 by Carlos Menem, a conservative president. It was part of a wave of reform that saw many countries in Latin America set up private schemes, in which workers pay contributions into individual retirement accounts. This was a response to the lamentable record of the region's state-run pension systems, whose pensions were often shrivelled by inflation or by government raids on their funds. Mr Menem's scheme allowed workers to choose between staying with the state system or switching. By 2003 84% of workers with a pension scheme had chosen the new private funds. They have 9.5m accounts and assets of $30 billion. They are the largest investors in Argentina's depleted capital markets......Ideological hostility to the private funds played a part in Ms Fernández's decision to scrap rather than reform the scheme. ... But fiscal need may have been a bigger motive. “It looks like they want to use the workers' money for non-pension spending, “The reason private pensions were instituted in the first place was to stop the government from doing that.”

    Theft. It's what makes Peronism work.

    Dec 17th, 2017 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +1

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