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Foreign Office rejects Ecuadorean diplomatic status for Wikileaks Julian Assange

Friday, January 12th 2018 - 10:16 UTC
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The British Foreign Office rejected an Ecuadorian government request to grant the WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange diplomatic status in a bid to bring to an end his forced stay in the South American country’s London embassy. Read full article

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  • golfcronie

    “ Arbitrarily detained ”? My understanding is that he is free to leave the Equadorian Embassy if he so desires. It is his choice. So he will be arrested, who's fault is that?

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee....

    1) Julian Assange was arbitrarily detained by Sweden and the UK..., the United Nations Working Group on Arbitrary Detention expert panel rules in a legally binding conclusion on the 5 February 2016...:
    http://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=17013

    2) Swedish prosecution drops their investigation into an allegation of rape against Julian Assange on the 18 May 2017...:
    www.theguardian.com/media/2017/may/19/swedish-prosecutors-drop-julian-assange-investigation...

    3) Engrish authorities continue their farcifal parody of Law & Justice as we write...

    The (in)famous “Engrish Lapdog Special Relationship” with them Yanks comes to mind...
    Don't ya Think...?

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • darragh

    Voicey

    Did you actually read your link :-

    “The experts also found that the detention was arbitrary because Mr. Assange was held in isolation at Wandsworth Prison, and because a lack of diligence by the Swedish Prosecutor’s Office in its investigations resulted in his lengthy loss of liberty”.

    No mention whatsoever of his being, at this moment in time, by his own choice, in the Ecuadorean Embassy which he is at total liberty to leave whenever he wishes. As to whether the Swedish authorities still wish to interview him is entirely up to them.

    Assange should think himself lucky because had he been detained in Argenzuala he would likely have 'committed suicide'.

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    Paddy above says...:
    “No mention whatsoever of his being, at this moment in time, by his own choice, in the Ecuadorean Embassy which he is at total liberty to leave whenever he wishes.”

    I say...:
    Jupppppppp...
    - Mr. Assange is..., at this moment in time..., by his own choice..., in the Ecuadorean Embassy..., which he is at total liberty to leave whenever he wishes..., to get immediately arrested by the London Metropolitan Police who is obliged to execute the Westminster Magistrates’ Court issued warrant of the 29 June 2012 for his arrest..., should he leave the Embassy.”
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ecuador-sweden-assange-britain/uk-police-say-wikileaks-assange-will-be-arrested-if-he-leaves-ecuadors-embassy-idUSKCN18F0XM

    Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease Mr. Darragh...
    Stop playing the turnipy Paddy role...
    We all know Paddies ain't no Turnips...

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
    Julian Assange and Diplomatic Asylum by Matthew Happold is Professor of Public International Law at the University of Luxembourg
    The International Court of Justice in The Hague. In its judgment in the Asylum Case, the Court ruled that no general rule in international law existed permitting States to grant diplomatic asylum … In addition, it may be that Ecuador is legally obliged, if requested, to surrender Assange to the UK authorities. According to the International Court of Justice in Haya de la Torre, although (contrary to Ecuador’s contentions) the granting of diplomatic asylum is an intervention in a State’s internal affairs, diplomats are not obliged to assist in the course of justice in their host State. However, the 1961 Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, to which both Ecuador and the UK are parties, requires that diplomats respect their host State’s laws and regulations. The Convention also provides that diplomatic premises should not be used in any manner incompatible with the functions of the mission as laid down in the convention (which does not include harboring fugitives from justice) or general international law (which, as shown, does not recognize a general right to grant diplomatic asylum).
    http://www.ejiltalk.org/julian-assange-and-diplomatic-asylum/

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    Anglo Turnip above...
    If you are referring to me..., Sr.Think..., let me remind you that I am an auld Scandinavian...
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raoul_Wallenberg

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    'ello 'ello 'ello ...I appear to be in a debate and I ain't said nuffin yet...

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • golfcronie

    The law is the law, get over it.Yes he will be arrested the minute he steps out of the Embassy. If the Yanks rescind their application for extradition then he will be free to go.

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    “THE LAW IS THE LAW” ... says the above ignorant Anglo Turnip...
    Good thing that we..., savvy Scandinavians..., know better...
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raoul_Wallenberg

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
    “The Working Group on Arbitrary Detention was established by resolution 1991/42 of the former Commission on Human Rights.“
    www.ohchr.org/EN/Issues/Detention/Pages/WGADIndex.aspx
    Doesn’t have any recognisable legal authority as you claim. “Arbitrary Detention expert panel rules in a legally binding conclusion …”
    So it is just another of your many attempts of sophistry, so you are ‘outed’ once again.

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    Anglo Turnip just above says that the opinions of the * United Nations Working Group on Arbitrary Detention * are not legaly-binding because................, he says so...

    The United Nations Working Group on Arbitrary Detention says that their opinions are...:
    - ”Legally-binding to the extent that they are based on binding international human rights law, such as the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). The WGAD has a mandate to investigate allegations of individuals being deprived of their liberty in an arbitrary way or inconsistently with international human rights standards, and to recommend remedies such as release from detention and compensation, when appropriate.
    The binding nature of its opinions derives from the collaboration by States in the procedure, the adversarial nature of is findings and also by the authority given to the WGAD by the UN Human Rights Council. The Opinions of the WGAD are also considered as authoritative by prominent international and regional judicial institutions, including the European Court of Human Rights.”
    http://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=17013

    Who to believe.....
    An Anonimous Anglo Turnip with a Spaghetti Western nome de plume......
    Or
    The United Nations Working Group on Arbitrary Detention.......?

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • DemonTree

    @Think
    If the only charge left is skipping bail, why doesn't he leave the embassy and face it?

    Maybe because according to the Swedish prosecutor: “If he, at a later date, makes himself available, I will be able to decide to resume the investigation immediately.” So it's not as dropped as all that.

    Assange should have gone to Sweden and gone to court. Even if he was convicted, 6 years in a Swedish jail is probably preferable to 6 years in the Ecuadorian Embassy, and it would be a sentence with a definite end. He's imprisoned himself without the US ever having to charge him with a single crime.

    And if the opinions of the UN working group are binding, why do you think the ECHR hasn't done anything in all this time?

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Mr. DemonTree...

    As my hermanito Shileno soooooo correctly writes in the ongoing thread about “Timerman barred from flying to US”...:
    - “Moyle's bungled assassination was a sad result of his spying on things that were too sensitive for disclosure. ”
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Moyle

    Mr. Assange has..., IMHO disclosed 100,000 things that are 100,000 more sensitive than anything that that poor young assassinated Engrish lad called Jonathan Moyle ever came close to...

    Stop being soooooo naive..., boy.
    It's boooooooooooring...

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    If they wanted to assassinate him he's probably a lot safer in the embassy than loose in Ecuador...

    “Stop being soooooo naive..., boy.”

    What do you think I believe, exactly?

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Think

    I'm not referring to your “beliefs”..., boy...
    I'm referring to your questions...
    Naive and boooooring...

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
    What the heck does Raoul Wallenberg have to do with Julian Assange? Or is this just a belated attempt to prove you are the king of the non sequiturs?
    “The United Nations Working Group on Arbitrary Detention says that their opinions are...:- ”Legally-binding “ Their existence is dependent on a former sub-committee which in turn was a creation of the UNGA and therefore must only be an at best an’advisory’, since the GA cannot confer powers that itself does not have.
    “Who to believe…..” You? Or “The International Court of Justice in The Hague. In its judgment in the Asylum Case, the Court ruled that no general rule in international law existed permitting States to grant diplomatic asylum …” Which has the ultimate definitive authority to make irrevocable pronouncements on the matter. There’s no “nome de plume…” Just the genuine article as I have no reason too disguise myself. Whereas, you on the other hand do use a nome de plume...

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • DemonTree

    The only one I asked that wasn't rhetorical was about the ECHR, and that seems like a legitimate question. How binding can an opinion be if no one is bound by it?

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    Boy...

    It's you who are (still) European..., and it is in your Country that arbitrarily detained Mr. Assange...

    If you have naive questions about that matter (rethorical or otherwise)... I suggest yo ask them to some pertinent people in some pertinent places... and don't bore an auld, humble Patagonian to death...

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Clyde15

    don't bore an auld, humble Patagonian to death...

    If I thought it would work, I would try it !

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
    What has Jonathan Moyle got to do with Julian Assange? Arn’t you getting tired moving all those goal-posts around?
    “ …that arbitrarily detained Mr. Assange..” That is an impossibility since he was afforded a number of hearings on the matter before competent courts with qualified council.
    Since the meaning of arbitrarily is “on the basis of random choice or personal whim, rather than reason or system” It seems that the WGAD panel’s ruling is the only thing that fits that criteria.

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • DemonTree

    @Think
    I don't have any questions for pertinent people in pertinent places. If the UN can't enforce its rules then they are just suggestions. They told Argentina to release Milagro Sala and she is still in jail, so...

    And I won't stop being European when we leave the EU, any more than Norwegians aren't European now.

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • El capitano 1

    Well now it looks like the cowards(Assange) days are numbered...The Ecuadorians are getting tired of him and for the record he is NOT detained...He chose to tun and hide just like the coward he is,and Ecuador thinking itself much more important than it actually is chose to become involved....He is charged in Sweden with sexual offences...and in the UK with jumping bail.....Just like anyone one of us he has to face the music and clear his name ,or wind up in jail....really that simple...He gets no “Get out of jail free card” in my opinion,and has proven himself to be a spineless coward who thinks he deserves preferential treatment....Man up Julian babee...your'e on the way to the big house...lol...!

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Sybil

    The question is why is this piece appearing in Mercopenguin, a British government propaganda organ supposedly devoted to America, South America and the “South Atlantic”?

    Jan 13th, 2018 - 04:54 am - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Enrique Massot

    Predictably, the hard core MP commentators have become experts in international law, so that they can cheer for authorities seeking to put the biggest whistleblower of all times behind bars for the rest of his life (so that he and aspiring whistleblowers learn the lesson).

    Governments and other organizations love to get as much information on citizens, but are masters keeping sensitive information for themselves.

    One guy puts himself on the line to open and throws open those vaults, empowering citizens with the most precious good one may have: information.

    And what some MP commentators do? Oh, they are salivating at the thought Assange may soon go to prison. Disgusting EC1 above even has the audacity of calling Assange a coward.

    EC1: Assange has more balls than you may ever hope for. He knew well he risked big doing what he did. You, on the other hand, take sides with the rich and powerful who will never reward you. That is really not that manly.

    There are some organizations that have already implemented whistleblower protection. We urgently need international whistleblower protection laws.

    Jan 13th, 2018 - 05:02 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Think

    TWIMC...

    ” He (Assange) knew well he risked big doing what he did... You, on the other hand, take sides with the rich and powerful who will never reward you...That is really not that manly.”..., answers Sr. Massot to one of them Turnips...

    That is one of the things Raoul Wallenberg had in common with Julian Assange... I respond to another of the Turnips above...
    Being one of the (very) rich and powerful... he took sides with the rubble en vouge at the time...
    That is really manly...
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raoul_Wallenberg

    Jan 13th, 2018 - 07:19 am - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Frank

    'Sybil
    The question is why is this piece appearing in Mercopenguin, a British government propaganda organ supposedly devoted to America, South America and the “South Atlantic”?

    Last time I looked Ecuador was still in South America....

    Jan 13th, 2018 - 07:48 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
    “the things Raoul Wallenberg had in common with Julian Assange…”
    Nothing whats so ever, its just the fallacy of you moving goal-posts again.

    Jan 13th, 2018 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @EM
    “authorities seeking to put the biggest whistleblower of all times behind bars for the rest of his life”

    Are they though? The US had plenty of time to ask for his extradition while he was under arrest in Britain, before he skipped bail to hide in the Ecuadorian Embassy.  Would the British government have been likely to refuse?

    Do you think those two women invented the charges against him? Or do you think since he's such a big 'hero' he should be let off?

    “Governments and other organizations love to get as much information on citizens, but are masters keeping sensitive information for themselves.”

    True, and sometimes it is in the public interest for information to come out. Crimes, conspiracies, cover-ups. But newspapers have published those in the past, and have published details from the Panama and Paradise Papers recently. The difference with Wikileaks was that they published everything, even if it would get people killed, or was merely embarrassing secrets that, perhaps, should have stayed private. And now it seems to have switched to an anti-US agenda, which is somewhat understandable but not laudable.

    I guess we never could have expected leaks from US enemies anyway, since their penalty would not be 35 years in jail commuted to 7, or even a life sentence, and when their people are given asylum they tend to end up dead.

    Jan 13th, 2018 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • darragh

    Poor old Think, he doesn't read things, just reacts.

    I address a comment to 'Voicey' and guess what 'Think' answers therefore confirming what we have all believed that they (and many others) are all the same person.

    Equally, he is unable to deny my assertion that he didn't read his own link so he resorts to a different link to try to prove an unprovable point and then gets desperate by trying to be insulting. As Margaret Thatcher said “you know when you're winning the argument when they start insulting you”.

    EM

    Assange has balls? - no he doesn't. There is no doubt that Assange is a coward because no matter what he may or may not have done via his leaking of documents he doesn't have the 'balls' to face up to the consequences, rather like others I could mention...........

    Jan 13th, 2018 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    Mr. Voice

    'Ello 'ello 'ello ...
    It appears to be that the cunning Leprechaun above has somehow make you confirm that you and me (and many others) are all the same person....

    And you ain't said near nuffin yet... ;-)

    Jan 13th, 2018 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • The Voice

    Darragh...Think/Voice, Brook Street parrot. Who's a pretty boy then?

    Jan 13th, 2018 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Chicureo

    Interesting...

    https://nypost.com/2018/01/12/julian-assanges-grubby-ways-might-be-behind-embassy-boot/

    Political asylum stinks for Julian Assange!

    The exiled WikiLeaks founder’s bad hygiene is one reason Ecuador’s embassy in London wants to boot him, according to a report Friday.

    Jan 13th, 2018 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Captain Poppy

    Such a clever move on Assange's part to attach himself to the Ecuadoran embassy to avoid an interview/questioning....maybe a trial over the sexual assault charges that have appeared to be nothing. This is by far much better than facing the consequences of jumping bail in the UK and facing a few months behind bars at worse......5 and a half years later. Of course, now he is a Putin puppet like Trump.

    Here's to another 5 1/2 years in diplomatic hell asshole.

    Jan 13th, 2018 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • darragh

    The Voice

    Parrots are quite intelligent - unlike the 'clone family' living in Brook St.

    Jan 13th, 2018 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • The Voice

    Darragh, the Ecuadorian job is quite close to Brook Street. Perhaps Julian could ask for a transfer to keep Think/Voice company? All the losers together! Latest troll Patrick could be useful to bore them all to death.

    Jan 13th, 2018 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Voice

    Cunning indeed Mr. Think...I guess Paddy thought I'll put Voicey and see if I can fool Mr. Think into answering....
    ...and you fell for it...
    We'd best keep a sharp eye out for him in the future...his traps are ...ingenious...;-)))
     
     

    Jan 14th, 2018 - 01:22 am - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Think

    ;-)))

    Jan 14th, 2018 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • darragh

    Think/Voice Clone

    Not even a trap but a mistake on my part but still you fell straight in - says more about you than this 'cunning' Irishman.......'pieces of eight, pieces of eight' - You tell him Cap'n Flint....

    As my old granny used to say “you can always tell a fool - he's the one that keeps blathering when he should shut up”.

    Jan 14th, 2018 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease Mr. Darragh...
    Stop playing the turnipy Paddy role...
    We all know Paddies ain't no Turnips...
    (But you are making me Think that some may be)

    Jan 14th, 2018 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • DemonTree

    @EM
    Not sure if you saw my comment above among all the arguments about identity, but I'd be interested in seeing your reply.

    Jan 14th, 2018 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • darragh

    Think (AKA Cap'n Flint)

    'Pieces of eight, pieces of eight'

    You have proven that my Granny was right.........

    Jan 15th, 2018 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • The Voice

    Careful Darragh, you could end up with the Black Spot!

    Jan 15th, 2018 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • RICO

    Surely Julian Assange is very rich and famous and thus immune to prosecution, particularly on minor matters such as sexual offences.

    Jan 15th, 2018 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    He's famous all right, but I don't know about rich. His bail money came from supporters in the UK who believed in him, and they lost it all when he went to ground in the embassy. Presumably he's been sponging off Ecuador since then.

    Besides, if you piss off a bunch of governments the way he did, you can be sure you won't be getting away with so much as a parking ticket ever again.

    Jan 15th, 2018 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • darragh

    The Voice

    No!! No!! - not the black spot!!!!!

    Will it be delivered by Blind Pugh? - If so can someone please tell him that I shall be in the Admiral Benbow tomorrow night.

    Jan 15th, 2018 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    Mr. DemonTree...

    You seem quite satisfied by the fact that a whistleblower “won't be getting away with so much as a parking ticket ever again because he pissed off a bunch of governments”...

    That particular whistleblower is directly responsible for a bunch of governments being forced to reduce significantly the kind of behaviour whistleblowed in the link below...
    Behaviour they were getting away with on a daily basis...
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kelmEZe8whI

    Hopefully..., you are as satisfied with the latter as with the former...

    Jan 15th, 2018 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • The Voice

    Yeah Twinkle we havent forgoyten..
    Breaches of the Geneva Conventions
    Argentine forces committed a number of breaches of the Geneva Conventions during the conflict. This included:

    Argentine munition stores in Stanley were painted with the red cross. The use of the red cross symbol is strictly reserved for humanitarian purposes.
    The hospital ship ARA Almirante Irizar used its searchlights to illuminate British special forces, a hospital ship is required to take no active part in hostilities.
    Argentina failed to make any preparations for civil defence in Stanley, the Geneva Conventions make this an obligation of the occupying power.
    Argentine forces located weapons in civilian areas. This included placing a 155 mm howitzer right next to a civilian hospital.
    Booby traps targeting civilians. At Goose Green a number of booby traps were discovered targeted at civilians. In one instance, a grenade was concealed in a an empty coke can in a civilian home. In another, it was found that the children’s bikes in the settlement were booby trapped.
    The arbitrary detention, arrest and deportation of civilians. Early in the conflict a number of prominent critics of Argentina were subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention and ultimately expulsion from the Falklands. Noted examples include Bill Luxton and David Colville. When this proved internationally embarrassing as Bill Luxton spoke publicly about his treatment, others were subjected to internal exile on West Falkland.
    Detention of civilians without adequate food, water or sanitation. The entire civilian population of Goose Green were detained in a small social club with initially no provision made for them.
    Civilian property was destroyed and defiled with excrement.

    Globe Store, Stanley, destroyed by Argentine soldiers
    Civilians were subjected to mock executions and beatings on a number of occasions.
    The actions where booby traps targeted civilians are clear examples of war crimes, since they targeted civilians and there was no

    Jan 15th, 2018 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    @Think
    I thought you weren't interested in my opinion because I'm sooo naive?

    But yes, I'm glad that and some of the other stuff came out, though rules of engagement are a tricky thing in guerrilla warfare.

    @TV
    Hasn't this thread been derailed enough? It's supposed to be about Assange...

    Jan 15th, 2018 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • The Voice

    DT, its about the Wikileaks guy who exposes government crimes. Twinkle posts a video showing a US soldier killing what appears to be a civilian, presumably sourced by Wikileaks. We dont know the circumstances. Was an innocent civilian or had he just killed the shooters mate, or was he someone who just planted a booby trap, we dont know? I am just pointing out that in wars these things happen and they may not be what they seem. Twinkle presents himself as a bleeding heart liberal but actually he constantly reveals his true character, I believe a serial liar and potential colonialist thief. Like many here I am surprised when people like you engage with him? You are always preaching about being critical and 'proving' things, but you appear to be constantly naive?

    Jan 15th, 2018 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    Mr. DemonTree...

    Yo say...:
    “I thought you weren't interested in my opinion because I'm sooo naive”

    I say...:
    As I explained to you before..., there ain't your beliefs I'm questioning...
    I explain to you now..., there ain't your opinions I'm questioning...
    There's your naive questioning, I'm questioning...
    It's sooo naive...

    Jan 15th, 2018 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    Damn. Everyone thinks I'm naive, but not all for the same reason. So I guess I will probably continue to be naive...

    Think, that's a distinction without a difference; whatever questions I ask are based on my beliefs and opinions, and it wouldn't make any difference if I phrased them as statements instead of questions.

    TV, if you want to know more about it you can read the Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_12,_2007_Baghdad_airstrike

    And why wouldn't I engage with him? What do you think he's lying about exactly, and why should I consider him less reliable than anyone else posting here?

    Jan 15th, 2018 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree
    “Why should I consider him less reliable than anyone else posting here?”
    A little research would have shown you the innumerable times I have exposed his sophistry, therefor revealing the liar he really is. It is because his fraud is so common place that has been proved by myself and others. That I address him by his numerous aliases ‘Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major’. It is you’re simpering support of him and other such persons that I address you as ‘Demonstrator the slavish follower.’

    Jan 15th, 2018 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Terence. Last time I talked to you you called me a 'pathetic lying little troll'. You don't even understand the concept of proof. Why on earth would I listen to anything you say now?

    Jan 15th, 2018 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree
    I also stated “Your done like dinner revealed in your true capacity, devoid of any moral standing.” Which I stand by and if anyone is interested your support for a crypto facist is not the first time , hence my comment
    http://en.mercopress.com/2017/11/30/ara-san-juan-since-falklands-conflict-buenos-aires-and-london-have-never-been-closer/comments#comment478590

    Jan 15th, 2018 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Voice

    The problem with Terry is...he never realises or admits to, the too numerous to mention, times I have wiped the floor with his opinionated nonsense...
    ..he just doesn't know when he's beaten...

    Jan 15th, 2018 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    @Voice
    In that thread he confirmed to me that he thinks the only way to judge between competing opinions is to see how well regarded the people holding them are.

    When I tried to explain proof to him, he linked me to a lesson for 3rd graders. He thinks facts are something you look up in books; his understanding is literally at an 8-year-old level.

    What's sad is that he refuses to learn any better.

    Jan 15th, 2018 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Think

    I Think..., Mr. Mario Girotti..., is one of the funniest ones in this..., our own pythonesque little hygge place...
    He always reminds me of...:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4

    Jan 15th, 2018 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
    “The problem with Terry is.....he just doesn't know when he's beaten…”
    You must mean like here where I showed your opinion was an absolute crock. Your problem is you keep proffering your own unsupported options as facts. As I’ve said on more than one occasion if you keep shooting from the hip, you just shoot yourself in the foot. Your modus operandi is simply to make claims but provide no proof. Therefore failing to meet your burden of proof.
    http://en.mercopress.com/2017/09/29/falklands-lawmaker-don-t-leave-dispute-with-argentina-to-future-generations/comments#comment474349

    Jan 15th, 2018 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.......
    Not Turnip Terence Hill “Burden of Proof” agaaaaaaain!
    I prefer the Spanish Inquisition Comfy Chair....;-)

    Jan 15th, 2018 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    @Think
    Damn, that's perfect.

    Does that mean Voice is King Arthur?

    Jan 15th, 2018 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Think

    Almost anybody can be King Arthur in front of a turnip like Terence Hill...
    HE is as easy as Peter Shilton...
    ;-)

    Jan 15th, 2018 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
    “I Think..., Mr. Mario Girotti…,”
    “While on location in Almeria, Spain, he married an American girl of Bavarian descent, Lori Zwicklbauer, who was the dialogue coach for the picture. Mario Girotti changed his name to Terence Hill.” https://www.flickr.com/photos/truusbobjantoo/4312792533
    It was at this time that I was involved in two film productions around Almería. The Hunting Party, and The Doc.
    Demonstrator the slavish follower
    “I tried to explain proof to him, … He thinks facts are something you look up in books”
    ”Simply for disagreeing” No for supporting those whom it is proven they’re lying. One whom is an admitted fascist. Who you espoused I couldn’t claim he was a liar. Even though he refused to comply with a compellable onus. Therefore legally, an adverse inference could drawn. You quibbled with that philosophically “Thoughts are either true or false in an absolute sense, never both or neither.” As such an argument further proved he was a liar.
    You throw your support to an enemy of your country, and not because what he claims is true, on contrary if it was I’d be first to agree with him. Which is why I have called you Lord Haw Haw.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/truusbobjantoo/4312792533

    Jan 15th, 2018 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @Think
    It's easy to win if you cheat...

    @TH
    I support whoever is right. The fact you are too stubborn to acknowledge it doesn't change that.

    You can keep hopping up and down and saying it's just a flesh wound all you like, you've still lost the argument.

    Jan 15th, 2018 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Mario Girotti....
    Juppppppppppp....
    The Tabernas desert...
    Litlle bur charming corner of Andalucia...

    Jan 15th, 2018 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
    So your unable to refute my contention at the link below so that is a tacit admission that its true.
    Which probably explains why your stuffing your wounded feet in your mouth.
    “The Tabernas desert” Perhaps, the common parlance was the Sierra Nevada’s.
    h ttp://en.mercopress.com/2018/01/12/foreign-office-rejects-ecuadorean-diplomatic-status-for-wikileaks-julian-assange/comments#comment481089
    “I tried to explain proof to him, … Which is why I have called you Lord Haw Haw.
    http://en.mercopress.com/2017/11/18/international-operation-to-rescue-argentine-submarine-lost-in-the-south-atlantic/comments#comment477753
    “I support whoever is right” I have yet to see any occasion where you have proved that to be true. All you have proved is you support anyone who is an extreme right-winger.

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  • Think

    Sorry Anglo Turnip...
    That film was mostly filmed in the Tabernas desert...
    Some scenes were though filmed on the nearby Sierra Nevada...
    Don't try to fool with me..., you stubborn Black Knight... I know me Spain...
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX3e87n35fQ

    Jan 15th, 2018 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    @TH
    “Which is why I have called you Lord Haw Haw.”

    Yes, you resorted to insults because you lost the argument.

    “All you have proved is you support anyone who is an extreme right-winger.”

    That's a new one. Jack Bauer is a right-winger, what other right-wingers have I supported in your not-so-humble opinion?

    Jan 15th, 2018 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    The only desert Think is familiar with is Claridges Eton Mess. After all its practically next door although he has probably winged it down to España quite a few times on bikini watch...

    Jan 15th, 2018 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    Think, I found the one with Julian Assange in:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWU6tVxzO1I

    @TV
    Weren't you going to tell me what Think has been lying about so I can be less naive?

    Jan 15th, 2018 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    DT, principally where he is located, what he does, what his mission is, who he is working for. All pretty obvious really. Until proven otherwise. His assertions are often so obviously fabrications. His posting times and holiday destinations dont add up. Look at it critically, examine the evidence. Aint that what you is taught at University?

    Jan 15th, 2018 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
    “That film was mostly filmed in the Tabernas desert...Don't try to fool with me” I have never claimed it wasn’t, I used the term ‘perhaps’. As it wasn’t described as such by any one I met, while academically correct it wasn’t commonly in use.
    So keep revealing how everything I’ve stated about is true, so you are left with the only option of moving the goal-posts.
    Demonstrator the slavish follower
    “You resorted to insults because you lost the argument.”
    On the contrary I was able to use such a description because I had laid more than enough of a foundation to support it.
    Jack Bauer is a right-winger, what other right-wingers have I supported…”. Chicureo “(I) have what would be considered some strong right wing views.” “As you have rushed to support any right wing nut that I have challenged. If this not so, show any instance where you as a third party entry has ever supported me.” http://en.mercopress.com/2017/11/30/ara-san-juan-since-falklands-conflict-buenos-aires-and-london-have-never-been-closer/comments#comment478313
    Brazil's corruption scandals reach Lula da Silva: ...
    12 Jack Bauer; “..'Military dictatorship', ..history is showing,.. that it was good for Brazil
    Brazil supportive of Mercosur ...
    14 Jack Bauer; ”.....but there is still one thing that can save Brazil...the Military..
    Brazil waiting for 50bn dollars …
    50 Jack Bauer; “Military taking over again, ….. they did it to prevent Brazil from being handed over to the communists. ... the Military , I hope, would be there again to save Brazil
    Brazil remembers the 50th anniversary of the coupe…
    15 Jack Bauer; “..Am pretty sure that military are accompanying all this … I hope they DO take over...”

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  • Voice

    Can we really take anything that The Voice says seriously...?
    He still thinks that Mr. Think and me are one and the same...“Think/Voice, Brook Street parrot”
    If Mr. Think is in Brook Street who is it taking the recent photos in the Scottish Highlands...?

    Jan 15th, 2018 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
    “He still thinks that Mr. Think and me are one and the same..” Anyone who has spent any time on this site knows that you are, as they are but two of your sock-puppet aliases.

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  • DemonTree

    @TV
    “where he is located, what he does, what his mission is, who he is working for”

    It's possible he's lying, but does it much matter?

    This website is a minor one and not many people post here. Even if 100 times as many people read the comments as post, that's an insignificant number of people.

    Looking at it critically, it would be a total waste of money to pay someone to post here. What could they actually achieve? Twitter and/or Facebook are the way to go if anyone actually cares.

    That's why I find it completely implausible that posters here have any agendas but the ones they have adopted for themselves.

    @TH
    Oh, you meant Chicureo. This is a fallacy called confirmation bias. See here where I disagree with Chicureo about Trump:

    http://en.mercopress.com/2018/01/06/fire-and-fury-becomes-an-instant-bestseller-despite-trump-s-threats/comments

    And here I defend Enrique Massot, who I assume you realise is very left-wing.

    en.mercopress.com/2018/01/09/governor-maria-eugenia-vidal-fighting-corruption-and-graft-in-buenos-aires-province/comments#comment480831

    Also, do you not realise you are the one supporting the 'right-wing nuts' when it comes to the Falklands?

    Jan 16th, 2018 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Voice

    Terry...

    “Anyone who has spent any time on this site knows that you are, as they are but two of your sock-puppet aliases.”

    What was it you were just preaching...?
    Oh yes here it is...
    “Your modus operandi is simply to make claims but provide no proof. Therefore failing to meet your burden of proof. ”
    Ahem...

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  • Think

    Can we really take anything that The Voice says seriously...?
    He still thinks that Mr. Voice and me are one and the same...“Think/Voice, Brook Street parrot”
    If Mr. Think is in Brook Street..., why is he harshly critizicing the Macri administration...?

    Jan 16th, 2018 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Voice

    Good one...
    I never thought of that...;-)

    Jan 16th, 2018 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Think

    I did...;-)

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  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
    “I see that you’ve lost track of your ‘sock-puppetry’ and now are answering for Think.”
    h ttp://en.mercopress.com/2017/01/17/falklands-under-no-pressure-from-the-uk-final-decision-on-flights-will-be-ours-and-ours-alone/comments#comment459662
    I'm carrying on a long established practice based on my empirical knowledge in which I have posted to you under the above title. Secondly, with your acquiescence, with little or no protest, latest title being 'Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer, and imitator extraordinaire.' Prior to that it was simply 'Voice, Vestige, Think'. Step up take bow, you work very hard at your subterfuge. But, I can see what a breeze it must be for one practised in viveza criolla.
    http://en.mercopress.com/2016/09/16/uk-overseas-territories-marine-protection-areas-to-double-in-four-years/comments#comment449603
    DemonTree
    So I’m correct you as a third party entry have never supported me, always my right wing opponents.
    “You are the one supporting the 'right-wing nuts' when it comes to the Falklands”
    Hardly, as I have very little interest in those that are driven by political motives. My interest is in both the historical and legal aspects. As I have stated on several occasions if Argentina was in the right I would support her claim. But she clearly is not.

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  • Skip

    It warms my heart to see that Assange will soon begin his sixth year of incarceration.

    I keep hoping his pride will keep him in there for at least a decade before he enjoys his new home in Ecuador.

    Not really wanting him back in Australia. We have enough dickheads in our parliament.

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  • The Voice

    From what I remember of Ecuador - two guards at the Quito chinese restaurant doorway, one with a machine pistol and the other with a pump action shotgun, Julian's welcome.

    As for Think/Voice if not the same person, same mission, trolling the Falkland Islands website. Think, political motive, Voice Tumbledown motive. Think definitely not based in SA, evidenced by early mornings, porridge, single malt, and European bargain breaks.... ;-)

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  • DemonTree

    @TH
    If you were in the right I would support you.

    @TV
    “same mission, trolling the Falkland Islands website.”

    How is that any different to you?

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  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree
    Thanks for the confirmation that you have in all encounters always supported quasi facists that were in opposition to me. Which speaks volumes about your mind set.

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  • DemonTree

    I don't support quasi fascists, idiot. I disagree with you because you are WRONG, you're just too clueless to realise it and too arrogant to ever learn any better.

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  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree
    “I disagree with you because you are WRONG” Of which you are unable to provide one iota of proof.
    Bird of feather.., you’re no different from those whom you support. Solely, unsupported personal opinions without any vestige of proof. Great minds think alike.

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  • DemonTree

    I've provided plenty of proof, you just won't admit it. I'm not doing it again because it's a waste of everyone's time.

    You are exactly like the Black Knight, too deluded to admit the plain truth.

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  • The Voice

    DT, there is difference between trolling and supporting but your naivety seems to have rendered you incapable of distinguishing one from the other?

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  • DemonTree

    Do tell us how to spot a troll, TV. Would posting from 4 different accounts, and stealing another user's name and picture be good signs?

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  • The Voice

    That was just taking the mickey and it had them running about and scratching their heads for a long time which was quite amusing. You still cant spot the difference... Carry on fawning before the neo fascists who worship crooks and are intent on stealing other peoples homes... Nice folk to be associated with.

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  • Think

    TWIMC...

    Terence Hill = Identical to Monty Pythons' Black Knight...

    The Voice = Almost as black as Monty Pythons' Black Knight...

    DemonTree = Cunning as Black Adders' Baldrick... (His questioning style needs some polishing though)

    ;-)))

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  • The Voice

    Baldrick loved Turnips Twinkle. Probably why Demon Tree is so in love with you?

    If I remember correctly the Black Knight was completely armless. Me down to a tee..

    Back from the Running Horse already!?

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  • DemonTree

    @TV
    Congrats, you just admitted to trolling. Tell me again how you are different?

    @Think
    Baldrick the dim sidekick?! Thanks a lot...

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  • The Voice

    DT, Baldrick was a dim naive servant, not a sidekick, big difference! Who sees himself as Black Adder ( complete with tights) ? Twinkle got it spot on methinks.

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  • Think

    Mr. DemonTree...

    If you REALLY listen to what sweet Baldrick says..., you will find out that he is the wisest of the pack...
    He just needs some polishing...

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  • DemonTree

    Unintentional honesty? Go on Think, what 'wise' things does Baldrick say?

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  • Think

    Geeeeeeeeeeeeee......, boy...

    Must an humble Patagonian Argie learn you Great British comedy...?
    Baldrick is the wisest of the pack...! But don't take me word for it...
    Listen to Leord Blackadder saying it himself at minute ~08:00 on the below last century link...
    Or look at Baldricks final triumph at minute ~32............................................. MAGNIFICENT... ;-)))

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=429s&v=rzHn2H2V8N4

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  • The Voice

    Whoa there Twinkle, steady boy! Baldrick is Engrish, you hate the Engrish, remember, you want them out, gone, ejected... You can't big them up!

    I am sure you enjoy Upstart Crow, there's a character just like you. Will's Dad AKA Harry Enfield, total Turnip... Sits on the lav in front of the fire.

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  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree
    “I’ve provided plenty of proof” Which nobody else can see. “Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynihan
    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
    “TWIMC…”
    I see you’re unable to refute the contention that you are a sock-puppeteer. “When cowardly individuals are not able to attack the message, they attack the messenger.” Abderrahman Hassi

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  • Think

    Hmmmmmmmmmmm..........
    Capablaca Vs Marshall..., some 100 years ago...
    What is the great white haired whistleblower trying to tell us... ?
    https://i2.wp.com/yournewswire.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/chessboard.png?zoom=2

    https://i2.wp.com/yournewswire.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/chessboard.png?zoom=2

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  • DemonTree

    “Which nobody else can see.”

    Anyone want to see me prove Terence wrong yet again? Speak now or forever hold your peace.

    There Terence, I'll do it if anyone asks. Also:

    “When cowardly individuals are not able to attack the message, they attack the messenger.”

    ”Your done like dinner revealed in your true capacity, devoid of any moral standing. A pathetic lying little troll.” - TH (sic)

    You're admitting to being a coward, Terence...

    @Think
    I remember watching that at the Millennium Dome, which was otherwise pretty crap. But how do you see all this British TV in Argentina?

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  • Think

    Ever heard the antique words Beta & VHS VCR's..., lad...
    Followed by some funny & shiny round thingies called DVD'S...
    Nowadays they are called .flv..., .gif..., .mpeg..., .mp4..., .svi..., .3gp... and God knows how many more...

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  • DemonTree

    It still seems like it must be a lot of effort to watch British TV in Argentina, but I guess if you love it that much...

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  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree
    “Anyone want to see me prove Terence wrong yet again? …you're admitting to being a coward’ Hardly as it was your failure to support your claim gives me a claim of truth, as I stated in my prior posts.
    You claimed “You don't know how to tell truth from falsehood … your list, they are all useless for determining whether a claim is true or not. …” I replied “My list contains the accepted form of onuses, and the accepted criteria for evaluating opinions, so the contents of my list contain the acceptable verifications which you without any evidence deny.” Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat (the burden of proof lies with who declares, not who denies) it. Therefore, your failure confirms there is no truth to your claim. As “Philosophers connect sentences with various items, such as thoughts, facts and states of affairs. Thoughts are either true or false in an absolute sense, never both or neither.” Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy; States of Affairs; First published Tue Mar 27, 2012
    Therefor thanks again for proving you’re a confirmed liar” http://en.mercopress.com/2017/11/30/ara-san-juan-since-falklands-conflict-buenos-aires-and-london-have-never-been-closer/comments#comment478577

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  • Voice

    Who are you talking to this time Terry...?
    If you keep putting...“Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al,” you are addressing four different posters unless you have some proof otherwise...?

    You might as well delete the “V0ice” one as that only worked in the old typeface where the 0 resembled the o...only the gullible like yourself ever fell for that one...

    “I see you’re unable to refute the contention that you are a sock-puppeteer.”

    “Solely, unsupported personal opinions without any vestige of proof.”
    Who am I quoting this time...oh yes...you...



    “I'm carrying on a long established practice based on my empirical knowledge in which I have posted to you under the above title. Secondly, with your acquiescence, with little or no protest”
    In other words...
    Solely, unsupported personal opinions without any vestige of proof.

    So Trigger was right...he was called Dave...

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  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
    “Who am I quoting this time...oh yes...you...you are addressing four different posters unless you have some proof otherwise…?” Easy squeezy lemon peazy
    “I see that you’ve lost track of your ‘sock-puppetry’ and now are answering for Think.”
    http://en.mercopress.com/2017/01/17/falklands-under-no-pressure-from-the-uk-final-decision-on-flights-will-be-ours-and-ours-alone/comments#comment459662

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  • Think

    TWIMC...

    i have, yet again, been accused by an Anglo Turnip of hating them Engrish...
    I will repeat for the umpteenth time..., I don't hate no Engrish...
    I luuuuv them Engrish in their natural Engrish environment...
    I even got an Engrishman in my profile picture...!

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  • DemonTree

    You sure seem like you hate us sometimes. And those are clearly Danish...

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  • Think

    Mr.DemonTree...

    JUTES..., as a matter of fact...
    One of the three most powerful Germanic peoples of their time in the Nordic Iron Age, the other two being the Saxons and the Angles...
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jutes
    Practically Proto-Engrishmen...;-)

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  • Voice

    Exactly where am I answering for Mr. Think...?

    Also if you have the stupidity to constantly address for different posters at the same time should you be surprised if any of them happen to answer...?

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  • DemonTree

    @Think
    No, these are Jutes:

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f2/ac/5a/f2ac5a78ebf6a2a124a7ec653126bb8e.jpg

    Poor Jutes though, everyone forgets about them. Though that makes me wonder if all those people moved to England or some of them stayed in Germany and Denmark.

    @Voice
    Who are those other people he's always listing anyway?

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  • Voice

    DemonTree

    V0ice was a poor copy of me that as far as I'm aware only fooled Troy Tempest and Terry...
    Vestige was perhaps of Spanish origin, but seemed to have some connection to Northern Ireland...could never work out quite what it was...very good English though...

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  • Think

    Mr. DemonTree...

    Some did stay in Jutland and conquered the World from little Billund with small plastic Jutes like these...:

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/65/ea/36/65ea36edcc93f741d55baefaacb6d8cc--lego-soccer-lego-sports.jpg

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  • DemonTree

    @Voice
    And yet ironically he doesn't include your old account that got banned.

    Do you think I was right that Lighting was Kanye's latest sockpuppet? I haven't seen hide nor hair of him since then and Kanye has been posting again.

    @Think
    Exactly. I know that hygge stuff is just a front, and they are secretly planning to conquer the world with their little plastic army. Those things are deadly if stepped on!

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  • Think

    Well...

    It ain't no secret that the Lego Kirk Clan are buying Scotland......, brick by brick... ;-)

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MHn0pBePN7I

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  • DemonTree

    Why Scotland?

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  • Chicureo

    DemonTree is just winding you up, THINK. Ignore him.

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  • Think

    DemonTree...
    We like gingers...

    Shicureo
    Soí un weon vengativo..., soí...

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  • Chicureo

    THINK

    I can't help myself, here I am enjoying a 2013 Alazan Pinot Noir while tormenting someone and young DemonTree gives the chase...

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  • DemonTree

    Chicureo, I knew he couldn't resist replying anyway.

    @Think
    'We'? You're part of the Lego Kirk Clan?

    I prefer dark hair myself.

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  • The Voice

    Twinkle, those folk on the Falkland Islands are close relatives and friends of ours. Bad mouth them and you bad mouth us. Suggest they should leave because they dont belong and you immediately alienate us. They have more right to be in the South Atlantic than you have. Dont for a moment Think that there are many Quislings like the few you find here, thankfully they are a tiny insignificant minority in Britain. And smarming us with false admiration doesnt wash either or you would be glad to have us as neighbours. Regarding your views, because of them you remain as simply a slithering brainwashed creep that any true Engrishman would view with deep suspicion and contempt.

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  • DemonTree

    I think I'm being insulted... but seriously, TV, what Quislings? Can you name a single British poster who would hand the Falklands over to Argentina?

    Also, I was thinking. Chicureo is friendly with Think, but you don't get all upset about that. So what's the problem?

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  • Voice

    Quislings are nothing to worry about...it's the apathy of the next generation...
    Try reading what the younger generation think about the Falklands...BLASÉ to NOTHING!!!

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  • Think

    I luuuuuuuuuuv the younger generation...
    They ARE the future...

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  • DemonTree

    Where have you been reading, Voice? It may not be a big priority to most people, but IME they support them staying British if it's brought up.

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  • Voice

    Guardian/ICM poll:

    ”Only among the very youngest voters, aged 18 to 24, is there a strikingly different picture. Among this cohort – none of whom were born when Argentina invaded the islands on 2 April 1982 – 49% support negotiations with a view to handover, as opposed to just 39% who take the contrary view. Among all other age groups there is a 60-70% majority for standing firm on sovereignty.

    Time is not on their (Falklands) side...

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  • Think

    Or..., one could read the latest YouGov survey from the 19th to the 22nd of May 2017...:

    Q...: Do you *THINK* Britain was right or wrong to take military action against Argentina in the Falklands/Malvinas War in 1982...?

    18/24 years old...:
    Right............: 26%
    Wrong..........: 24%
    Don't know...: 50%

    25/49 years old...:
    Right............: 42%
    Wrong..........: 16%
    Don't know...: 42%

    50/64 years old...:
    Right............: 64%
    Wrong..........: 21%
    Don't know...: 15%

    65+ years old...:
    Right............: 70%
    Wrong..........: 15%
    Don't know...: 15%

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/05/30/jeremy-corbyn-right-side-public-opinion-foreign-po/

    Time is not on their (Falklands) side...

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  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    THINK and I have developed an understanding of each other over a period of time. That does not mean I always agree with him, but he can sometimes have a point or two...

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  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
    “If you …constantly address for different posters at the same time should you be surprised if any of them happen to answer…?”
    No! Because they’re all one and the same. You were the one who has confirmed as much, as I have caught you at least three times when you’ve forgotten which alias you’re using and switched to another. For example.
    h ttp://en.mercopress.com/2017/01/17/falklands-under-no-pressure-from-the-uk-final-decision-on-flights-will-be-ours-and-ours-alone/comments#comment459535
    http://en.mercopress.com/2017/01/17/falklands-under-no-pressure-from-the-uk-final-decision-on-flights-will-be-ours-and-ours-alone/comments#comment459689
    h ttp://en.mercopress.com/2017/01/17/falklands-under-no-pressure-from-the-uk-final-decision-on-flights-will-be-ours-and-ours-alone/comments#comment459721

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  • JanH

    The question is why is this piece appearing in Mercopenguin, a British government propaganda organ supposedly devoted to America, South America and the “South Atlantic”?

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  • The Voice

    All those stats prove is that stats dont prove anything. It neglects the fact that youngsters dont even know where the Falkland Islands are or what the history is. Peoples views change as they get older and wiser influenced by what they have observed during their lives. When you observe the tactics of bullies and propagandists your views change. You realise that if you give in to bullying and intimidation it wont stop there. Us oldsters observed our weakness before the war, the bullying, intimidation and maltreatment of the islanders by the Argentine invaders and their rout at the hands of our forces. We remain determined that our islands will never fall into their hands again. That wont change whatever any slithering Argentinian propagandist says.

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  • Think

    Eppur si muove...

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  • Clyde15

    Think

    Time is not on their (Falklands) side...

    Purely wishful thinking on your part. What folk say in opinion polls and what they do are two different things. They would only need to pull out Simon West and the country would close ranks.

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  • The Voice

    There Twinkle goes again, posting before 6am Argie time revealing he is safely resident in Blighty. Liar!

    Simon Weston, inspirational role model....

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  • DemonTree

    “All those stats prove is that stats dont prove anything. It neglects the fact that youngsters dont even know where the Falkland Islands are or what the history is.”

    What they prove is that Britain doesn't brainwash children the way Argentina does. Fully half the youngest group said they didn't know if Britain was right to take military action against Argentina, probably because they don't know anything about that war at all. But even among them it was the only war that got more support than opposition (do you feel special, Think?)

    I reckon it's up to the Falklanders to educate people in Britain about the issue if they want to keep their home.

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  • Think

    Eppur si muove... (bis)

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  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology majo
    “Time is not on their (Falklands) side”
    “Time is not in favor of the Argentina, it is the British who are in possession of the territory. Leave the question to future generations, as well as irresponsible, tantamount to admitting failure and lack of new ideas or courage. Pose the appeal court is instead the only practical alternative, positive and different from what has been done, if you really want to solve the conflict and move beyond rhetoric.”
    Marcelo G. Kohen Clarin, the June 23, 2004
    http://en.mercopress.com/2004/06/23/international-hague-court-only-alternative-for-dispute

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  • DemonTree

    *IF* you really want to solve the conflict and move beyond rhetoric...

    @Chicureo
    I don't have a problem with it. I feel the same way.

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  • Voice

    The Voice

    You can't think like a young person, you are an old relic that lives in the past...
    Do you think the younger generation judges Germany based on WW2...?
    Those stats prove that the younger generation is not influenced by the past they see a problem that should be resolved by compromise...
    Social media and the internet has been fading barriers between the “Them and Us” in 25 years there will be a new generation that has also been influenced by the current new generation that would like to see things solved in the spirit of cooperation and perhaps sharing...
    You are not the future...you are the past and will die with it...

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  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology majo
    “Would like to see things solved in the spirit of cooperation and perhaps sharing…”
    “Time is not in favour of Argentina, …” “If wishes were horses, beggars would ride”
    “Those who have knowledge, don't predict. Those who predict, don't have knowledge.” Lao Tzu, 6th Century BC Chinese Poet

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  • The Voice

    Voicey, what do you know. I have teenage grandkids, I help at the youth club. I like music and go to gigs and festivals mixing with people of all ages, ride with the MTB section regularly. What do you know stuck up there in a backwater. I often get comments like “ you dont seem old”, and “ you are fitter than me” from youngsters. I know how they tick, I dont need any advice from an old fart like yourself. I guess we would all like to see things solved but not at the expense of innocent people threatening their way of life, homes and livelyhoods. That should start with the Argentines dropping their stupid 2 century old claim and trying to be good neighbours.

    We all die eventually and with all that angst, aggression and bile constantly eating you up I fully expect you to kick the bucket long before me.

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  • DemonTree

    I wonder if young people in the Falklands are also more in favour of compromise? And the ones in Argentina? They can't all be rock-throwing idiots. If everyone was willing to compromise then maybe some solution would be possible, one that isn't at the expense of innocent people's way of life, homes and livelihoods.

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  • Voice

    The Voice

    You are all talk Grandpa....
    I see no evidence of your activities...MTB section my arse...
    Where was I the other day...
    Same location as the previous pic...but this time not walking...
    Familiar looking bike where have we seen that before...oh yes in my garden...
    https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4768/38848295245_92427afef3_o.jpg

    Talk is just talk old man...

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  • The Voice

    DT, are you kidding! You must know that Argentinian kids are brainwashed at school? You have never been there which is why you have never seen the propaganda posters at Stations, Bus Stations, on Buses, on hoardings everywhere grafitied on the famous Mini Big Ben given to Argentina by us in the middle of BA! And all thats apart from what is written into their constitution. And thats all apart from the war they claim WE started!
    A brainwashed nation...what chance is there? As baldy correctly pointed out the issue isnt even on our young people's radar. But it would be if they knew what happened in 1982 and Argentina's bullying and intimidation of the Islanders.

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  • DemonTree

    Yeah I know, and I've seen pictures of all the propaganda. But the ones I've seen on the internet - on other sites that aren't about the Falklands - mostly seem sane and willing to compromise. They were embarrassed by CFK banging on about it all the time, and very embarrassed by that Top Gear episode.

    I dunno, maybe they aren't representative, but the election of Macri kind of suggests they might be.

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  • Think

    Mr. DemonTree...

    Soooo.... you have seen some Argies on the Internet that seem mostly sane and willing to “compromise” on the Falklands/ Malvinas issue and its correlated 12,000,000 km2 of South Atlantic and Antarctic territories..., huhhhh...?

    Would you be so kind to tell us..., in your own sane, unbrainwashed Engrish words..., how much do you Think your side should “compromise” on this matter...?

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  • Clyde15

    How can there be any meaningful discussions when the sovereignty of the Falklands is written into the Argentine constitution. Talking is pointless.

    “Eppur si muove”....but in what direction and to whose benefit ?

    Voice
    Where was I the other day...
    Same location as the previous pic...what previous picture?

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  • Think

    TWIMC...

    Following the Anglo Turnip logic prevalent in here..., Sassenach Clyde15 has just outed himself as a sockpuppet of Engrish DemonTree...

    Now seriously...
    I'll wait for Mr. DemonTree's answer...

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  • DemonTree

    @Think
    Difficult question. It's not really up to me; it's not me - or you - who has to live with whatever arrangements are made, or with the lack of them. So it's the Falklanders who would need to compromise.

    Plus, I can't think of any compromises that both sides would agree to. Like, theoretically joint sovereignty should be okay, but practically, I can't see it working. Sharing the oil rights? I don't think that would be enough for Argentina. They want a symbol more than money.

    Free association is one of the ways to decolonise a place, according to the UN, but I can't imagine the Falklanders agreeing to free association with Argentina in a million years.

    TBH, I think any agreement made with a government like Macri's would be pretty worthless, because a later (Peronist?) one can just choose to disregard it. So what's the point?

    And don't twist my words, Think. There's a *big* difference between 'mostly seem sane' and 'seem mostly sane'.

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  • Think

    Mr. DemonTree...

    Lots of words..., not one single usable thought... thanks for nothing...

    I myself have said many times before that I THINK..., an Åland type of solution for the Malvinas/Falklands issue would be a civilized form of compromise between the two parts...

    Then we..., Anglos and Argies..., could start discussing about a compromise for the remaining 11,900,000 km2 of South Atlantic and Antarctic territories...

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  • DemonTree

    I knew you wouldn't be happy. I should have saved myself the bother and just said I don't know.

    And I don't think 'my side' should compromise that far, at least as long as Argentina continues to break agreements whenever the government changes.

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  • The Voice

    Twinkle, the Antarctic belongs to everbody and nobody and thats the way that it will stay. But, if you want to buy a stamp or send a letter you will have to visit a Post Office on the Falkland Islands, South Georgia or the Antarctic peninsular.

    As for Baldy's motorbiking escapades don't you just love those brainless morons shattering the peace of the highlands on their crappy little machines? Absolute Turnips....

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  • Think

    Happily..., there are many Brits out there that mostly seem sane and willing to compromise...
    And they are becoming more and more as time passes by...
    Lets hope for a hard Brexit and some nice Jock & Taff indyrefs...
    That should accelerate the fall of Empire 2.0...

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  • Voice

    Huh...I'm not bald, but I know you are... so stop projecting...
    The Highlands are vast so the machines have little impact...unlike your donut devouring...

    Clyde this was the previous pic...
    https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4728/24589715277_ab7287ea39_o.jpg

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  • DemonTree

    Don't get your hopes up too high, Think. I would probably have said the same at that age. When I learned more about it, I changed my mind...

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  • Think

    Mr. Voice...

    The Highlands are wast and beautiful..., alright...

    But those 400cc make a hell of a noise...Ain't no electric alternative yet...?

    I meself 'ave future plans of buying a little E-car now that Macri as open the import gates...
    Can't make me mind though...
    Should I pre-order a Swedish Uniti..., a Swiss Microlino (my current favourite ;-)..., or wait for the Honda Urban....?

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  • DemonTree

    Are charging points common in rural Patagonia?

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  • Think

    TWIMC...

    Following the Anglo Turnip logic prevalent in here..., Engrish DemonTree has just outed himself as a sockpuppet of Voice/Think...

    :-))))))))

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  • Voice

    Mr. Think

    The Bubble Car...retro...I like it...;-)

    I've been thinking about a Bultaco Brinco...price is still a bit steep...
    The problem is, I cover huge distances with a combination of on road ...off road.
    The hills would sap the power in about half an hour I reckon.
    I'll probably wait for the battery technology to catch up, I'm sure it will...

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  • DemonTree

    That would make you my sockpuppet, Think. How d'you like being English? ;)

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  • Voice

    DemonTree

    I bet he could pass for English...

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  • DemonTree

    Only if he's totally faking not speaking the language properly, and even then he'd have an accent unless he grew up here. Your American wife couldn't pass for English, could she?

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  • Think

    Mr. Voice...:

    I always luuuuuuved bubble cars..., specially this one...:
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a9/96/96/a9969661e6bf7f36fcfecf44e91e6e01.jpg

    Anyhow... This bloody new electric Microlino bubble has really gotten under my skin...
    They italian factory folks say they will start shipping them later this year...
    ~15,000€ with the big battery... More than enough to drive to town a couple of times without recharging...

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  • The Voice

    Heh heh, bald as a coot. A Noddy car, great for the West End Twinkle, no congestion charges...

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  • Clyde15

    Battery powered cars are a bit dodgy for N.W.Scotland.

    The outdoor show on Radio Scotland...0630-0800 on Saturday mornings, did the North Coast 500 in a BMW i 3. They were always keeping their eye on the battery condition and also a recharging point. They nearly came unstuck in Scourie when they discovered the charging point was out of action...the next one being in Inverness. They j-u-s-t made it .
    A plus point was that the recharging was free at all points.
    The Scottish Tourist Board lift the bill to encourage the use of these cars.

    I used to regularly use this route 50 years ago visiting Durness, Lochinver and Wester Ross .
    In those days it was all single track roads with very little traffic. Quite an adventure in a 997cc Anglia 105, Sometimes I had to use 1st gear to get up the hills, so 25 mph was a good average speed. Durness to Inverness could take about 7 hours and Glasgow was another 7/8 hours.

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  • Think

    Lowlander....

    Most electric cars are designed to be charged by a regular 110V or 220 V household outlet.

    They have internal battery chargers so one can charge the car practically anywhere at any time.

    Any 220V household outlet can fully charge a 2018 micro electric car as those I mention above in about 3-6 hours...

    Try to keep up with the times..., laddie

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  • The Voice

    Phoarr, get a close look at that Belly on Voicey pictured sitting on his scrambler! What do you think 40“ 42”, much more and he wont be able to turn the handlebars! He darent take the helmet off to reveal what lies beneath...

    On the other hand my entry for the pub jumper competition. Who has got the flat belly and actual hair? https://flic.kr/p/JBJjwZ .

    Think's wet dream is a Messerschmitt. That other thing is an Isetta clone but my brothers Heinkel was better, it had a four stroke engine. My latest Classic acquisition does between 17 and 20 mpg and I am not bovvered.

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  • DemonTree

    That's great for charging it overnight at home, or at your work place during the day, but not exactly practical for long trips. What are you going to do if you're on a journey and can't find a proper charging point? Knock on someone's door and ask if you can plug your car in for 5 or 6 hours?

    The isolated bits of Scotland don't seem like the ideal place for electric cars, but they would be good in a city. Also, I didn't know cars and roads used to be that bad Clyde, wow.

    PS. The hair competition is funny, I don't even have any grey.

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  • The Voice

    DT, I am enjoying it, especially his enormous gut after all his silly comments. Nothing to hide. I have plenty of grey but other areas ..... ;-)))

    The manufacturers can produce electric vehicles but who is creating the generation capacity? Just one measely Nuke is a big deal. All the stuff about diesels but woodburners create far more pollution. Ever been to Beijing or Delhi?

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  • Voice

    The Voice
    Oh my goodness that is you...what happened ?
    Is that hair...? why is it on the back of your head...;-))
    I'm not being funny mate...but you ain't got long left, I've seen corpses looking better...

    Full body armour and thermals under that Rukka and the jacket is unzipped...

    Let's have a vote on which one looks fit and which one looks almost dead...

    Mr. Think...

    Prices here seem to be between 10,000 and 12,000 euros...
    75 miles per charge from a domestic power point...top speed 62mph
    Sound good and has style...

    Clyde
    A few of us are doing the North Coast 500 at Easter on the big bikes...

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  • Think

    Mr.DemonTree...

    1) As Mr Voice says above... he'll wait for the battery technology to catch up..., he's sure it will..., as am I.., in 5 years time..., normal range will be ~500 miles and recharging time about 1/2 hour...

    2) In my not so short life..., I have owned a number of cars... without exageration..., I can say that 95% of the time..., I didn't need all those extra seats..., extra trunk capacity..., extra range..., extra weight etc..., etc..., etc... I would have saved loads of money if I just had small cars and rented a bigger one on the few times I really needed all that extra capacity...
    Much more so today...

    3) Just the other day I had a conversation with one of the very young ones... He said something interesting... He was asking himself how he would explain to his eventual children..., how it once was permisible for anyone to drive around the country burning tons of highly toxic material in the process... I couldn't give him any god excuse


    Mr. Voice...
    My unbiased vote goes to you... you defiitively look fitter..

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  • The Voice

    As Randy May Davis said. He would say that wouldnt he! Theres no covering up that gut Voice, you outed yourself! LOL!

    As for the Twinklemobile a Messerschmidt would be highly appropriate!

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  • Lord Lucan

    “Clyde
    A few of us are doing the North Coast 500 at Easter on the big bikes...”

    And big guts! LOL!

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  • DemonTree

    @Think
    1) Oh I agree, it's improved rapidly in the last few years. The NW of Scotland would not my first choice for where it would take off though.

    2) I know from experience that it's useful having one car that's big enough to give lifts to your friends without having to fold them up like deck chairs, and to fit the bikes in the back.

    3) No practical alternative. Even when we all have electric cars, there's still the issue of power plants burning tons of toxic material.

    Can't tell who's fitter when Voice is wearing all that gear. When are you going to post a picture?

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  • Voice

    DemonTree

    Ok same bike different location without any gear...blocking out my face of course...
    https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4618/39720390052_47e91eca9d_o.jpg
    Now who looks fitter...;-))

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  • The Voice

    Still porky with skinny arms! What will he look like in his 70s!

    Hair?

    What a laugh!

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  • Voice

    Skinny arms...?
    Camera angle... look at the left one fool...
    Now lets look at your pic again...
    A puny wimpy looking geriatric on his last legs...
    I almost feel sorry for you...
    nah..I don't..

    https://flic.kr/p/JBJjwZ .

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  • Think

    Mr. DemonTree...

    You say...:
    “No practical alternative. Even when we all have electric cars, there's still the issue of power plants burning tons of toxic material.”

    I say...:
    Dumb argumet directly taken from the petrochemical lobby...
    Doesn't take in consideration hundreds of variables... one of the most important being that ~90% of electric cars are being charged at night..., when a huuuuge overproduction of electricity already exists..., which has no commercial taker and therefore is being currently wasted...

    In my personal case..., almost 100% of the electricity going into the car would be suplus from my own photovoltaic system...

    Inform yourself..., lad and don't let the baddies brainwash you sooooo easily...

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  • The Voice

    Twinkle if you actually lived in Chubut the greenest thing would be to ride to town and back on one of your nags. The truth is that you cant keep nags in Brook Street W1. Electric dream...

    As for being a geriatric I didnt notice many during my week in the Picos or when riding back via St Malo last summer? Doing 500 miles on a motorbike in the company of hoards of corpulent greasers Voice would fit right in but its not something to be proud of.

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  • DemonTree

    @Think
    Possibly, but I don't know how big the spare capacity is compared to how much power the cars would consume. They wouldn't need fully charging every night. Presume you weren't planning on charging yours at night, either.

    Electric cars are just now becoming a practical alternative and people are buying them, I'm sure in a few years they'll be really common and that's great. It just wasn't the case 10 years ago.

    Also, TV has a point, you could ride a horse into town if you wanted to be really green. ;)

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  • Clyde15

    Think...or one who doesn't. Try to keep up with the times..., laddie

    I was talking about CARS not Noddy's scooter !

    You obviously know very little about the NW of Scotland. Where are these places that you can go and hook up to the domestic electricity supply system. You can also leave your car hooked up at some friendly crofter's abode.? Get real, you don't know what you are talking about ....why does that NOT surprise me.

    Also, to anyone driving this route, make sure you book accommodation well in advance or you will be sleeping by the roadside.

    It is also worthwhile listening to the podcast on BBC Scotland i player.

    DT
    Personally, I think it will spoil the whole area with hordes of Camper Vans, Bikers and well-off Porsche and BMW drivers trying to set speed records for the trip. The roads and infrastructure are not able to handle the influx of tourists. The locals now find it takes them ages to get anywhere as the roads are clogged by drivers who do not know the etiquette and requirements for using single track roads.

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  • The Voice

    Clyde, I was reading about that once quiet road in Wester Ross which has become a nightmare since that bunch of morons from Top Gear took it to test out so called Supercars. Its attracted the wrong sort of people. The scenery up there looks great and I intend heading that way in my Camper to sketch some of the vistas I have admired in the paintings of Donald Hamilton Fraser. We have many single tracks here so some of us locals do know the etiquette. On my cycle tours on the West Coast and Islands we always do a booking for the next day on arriving at our nightly stop. Works OK in April, May and September. One of my mates now has an electrlc bike because he has a heart problem so now wild camping is out.

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  • Think

    Mr. DemonTree....
    But we are corresponding today..., not ten years ago..., right...
    Fact is that an E-car runs between 10 to 15 km on 1 kWh in todays World...
    Fact is that 1kWh costs ~12p in todays Engeland (tax inclusive)...
    Fact is that 1 litre petrol costs~ 1.20£ in todays Engeland...
    Do your math...

    Besides...
    1) Yes..., I'm planning on charging mine at night... Most Off-Grid photovoltaic system (mine included) have a battery bank..., laddie...
    2) Riding me horse into the nearest town insumes some 8/9 hours each way..., and if I wanted to take more than ~15 kgs of groceries back home I would need to take a pilchero... Neither practical nor green...

    Lowlander...
    I believe I have made quite clear in the past that I know very little about the West and South of Scotland... I normally fish the Sutherland and Caithness waters (and ocasionally visit the Speydale;-) I Think It would be very easy there to hook up to the domestic electricity supply system of any of the many friendly crofter's that inhabit that charming part of the world....

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  • The Voice

    ...as long as Twinkle doesnt reveal his deplorable views on the British and the population of the Falkland Islands that is...

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  • DemonTree

    Clyde15, I was surprised how busy the roads were in Scotland, but perhaps it's because there aren't very many. We have single track roads here as well but thankfully they're not too common.

    TV, do you live in a park or something? Everywhere I've been in the Home Counties has had tons of people even if there was nice countryside.

    @Think
    If you're planning to buy a brand new car today then sure, go for it. Most people are not. My car is over 10 years old so it's very relevant what electric cars were like 10 years ago. I'm sure I'll be changing to electric at some point.

    Your car is also a battery bank, so unless you are out in it all day, which it doesn't sound like you would be, it would surely be more efficient to charge it directly.

    And I just looked up how fast horses go over a long distance, I didn't know it was so slow! You may as well ride a bicycle, in fact an electric bike might actually be feasible.

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  • The Voice

    DT, the edge of the Chilterns in one of the most heavily wooded areas in England. We have hundreds of single track roads, more than four thousand footpaths, hundreds of Bridleways. I recently rode 40 miles off road on my Mtb up to the A40 and back in the week and I only saw two other people. Its different at weekends when we get walking and cycling groups coming out from London and Midsomer Murder tours but it never feels crowded. We are only 40 miles from London and it amazes me that people go out walking in country parks, the Ridgeway and Swans Way or Forestry Commission land which is all very boring. Ancient natural beechwoods are fantastic, cathedrals packed with bluebells in the Spring.

    Interesting vid on the progress of Electric Cars.
    https://www.flickr.com/gp/alyrpal/3Q5pE0
    Think should get a milk float... ;-)))

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  • Lord Lucan

    Oops! Heres the vid... https://youtu.be/9k7k3Mzknm8 Its coming, coming... Pretty convincing stuff.

    One interesting comment. “ Use that electric car as a power bank, charge it with your panels or wind turbine, then discharge it at night or during the day to satisfy your home's electric energy needs”

    If I drove an electric car to my daughters place over 100 miles away I wouldnt be able to get it near enough to hook it to a power supply. There's still a lot of practical barriers to overcome.

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  • Think

    Mr. DemonTree...
    I luuuuuuuuv bikes...
    I still got me old Rudge...
    Its just a slight inconvenience down here...
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ifKvygofpAk

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  • Clyde15

    Think

    News just in. The big chunk of Scotland in the N.W. is....SUTHERLAND and the best scenery in the country is west of Tongue all the way down the west coast stopping off to explore minor roads and beaches.
    As for fishing, Loch Boralie at Durness has Ferox trout and Brown trout. There are also many lochs and lochans with small Brown trout.
    Salmon is available at Loch Laxford and round Lochinver if you have the money.

    As to electric cars, until they can extend the range to about 300 miles, they are not much use up here. I could not get to Oban and back from my house without refueling, which takes, according to official sources, between 4 to 8 hours. Seems a pleasant waste of time sitting for the best part of a day getting refueled

    My small 4 x 4 has a range of 600 miles if I can stay in 6th gear and drive carefully.

    The range of electric cars seem to be predicated to driving in the flat with a light foot.

    DT
    We are rather short of good trunk roads here. The busiest Motorway, the M8 is mainly two lanes causing huge congestion.
    There are two main roads from Glasgow to Inverness.

    The A9 which is currently being upgraded to two lanes and has speed restrictions on its whole length and the A82 which runs along Loch Lomond to Fort William and then to Inverness. Totally inadequate for the volume of traffic and highly dangerous.
    This is also the main road for Oban and Dunoon .

    As Voice would no doubt agree not a particularly good drive in adverse weather wondering if they will close the Rest and Be Thankful due to landslides, snow or ice.

    Today, for instance, we left Ayr to drive 12 miles inland to Loch Doon. we left in 4°c and arrived in 0°c on a single track road with snow piled 2 feet high on each side of the road.
    I had to do a 9 point turn in a layby using the car as a snow plough. Luckily I have a locked differential so we made it back down onto the main road. Again, no damage was done but I won't try that again.

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  • DemonTree

    @TV
    Looks nice. Midsomer murder tours are such a daft idea, and that village must have a higher murder rate than Caracas.

    @Think
    Reminds me of my trip to Skegness. ;) We had stronger winds than that last night, there's bits of the carport roof all over the garden.

    @Clyde15
    Sounds like fun (not). Roads here are overcrowded and full of potholes - even the duel carriageway - but at least there's no snow. We also have those roadworks that stay around forever and you never see anyone working on them.

    Are the Scottish government in charge of roads up there?

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  • The Voice

    DT, in the summer we paint plein air and there are often motorcoaches of Midsomer tourists. Twice this year in Dorchester on Thames snd then in Hambledon coaches of German tourists. Coming down from Brum to Reading, the train conductor announced a murder warning (Morse). LOL!
    When my bruvinlaw and his wife moved from Scotland to London they couldnt believe the massive improvement in climate.

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  • Think

    Lowlander.....
    Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..., lad
    You know a fair bit about Alba..., for a Sassenach to be...

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  • Clyde15

    DT

    Yes. Transport Scotland are in charge and BEAR Scotland, Amey and Scotland Transerv deliver the repair and maintenance for trunk roads. Local authorities are responsible for non-trunk roads in their areas .

    Think
    Yes, I do geographically and historically. Since I started driving in the Model-T era, I have covered over 1,000,000 miles, the bulk of that in Scotland. Mainly on the west coast mainland up to Cape Wrath and the islands including Skye, Mull, Islay, N.& S Uist, Lewis and Harris ,Arran and Bute ,

    Far be it from me to criticise you, however...“and ocasionally visit the Speydale”-

    The only Speydale I know of are a company who made split cane fishing rods.
    Did you mean Speyside ?

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  • Think

    Lowlander...

    Nope... I didn't mean the “Speyside”... I did mean the “Strathspey” or what you Sassenachs nowadays call “Spey Valley”...
    I just choose to call it “Speydale” as me ancestors did...
    https://www.etymonline.com/word/dale

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  • DemonTree

    So it's just another affectation, like saying 'auld'.

    I always thought a Strathspey was a type of music, like a hornpipe.

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  • Voice

    Tis indeed..Spey's and Reels usually one following the other...
    It's just a quick 4/4 used a lot by Highland Dancers...
    Not as fast s the reels though or hornpipes or jigs, but good to get your breath back after the reel...
    Not my favourites at all...kinda boring...

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  • Think

    Mr. DemonTree...
    “Auld”..., an affectation...?
    Wash your mouth with soap..., laddie...
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UOwNBP_B1xo

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  • Clyde15

    I am surprised with your“highland” upbringing to publicise a song written by a lowlander borne 3 miles from where I stay.
    The original tune as used in Burn's time can be heard on this clip
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=86_tlA9maA0

    As to defending “ Speydale”, the word does not exist in Scotland and is purely a fabrication of your muddled mind. The correct word is Strath,in this part of the world.

    The word dale appears in central Scotland down to N.England,as in Clydesdale and Wensleydale...great cheese !

    I am surprised that your ancestors chose to call it Speydale considering the word dale is considered to be Old English or even Welsh. There was little or no Norse incursions into what is now called Speyside. S.o, I take it then you are of Angle Saxon extraction.

    DT
    You should know by now that he can NEVER admit to getting anything wrong. After all, he considers himself as the leading expert on all subjects. If you disagree, then he stoops to childish name calling or using pejorative terms from the lofty height of his intellect.
    Pity really, he is not stupid, just warped.

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  • The Voice

    “Skye, Mull, Islay, N.& S Uist, Lewis and Harris ,Arran and Bute , ” Cycled all round all of them. IMO its the best way to explore them. What surprised me was the cuckoos in April which is when we usually go.
    Yes, he accuses us of being haughty ( ancient terminology) , and then adopts a misplaced inappropriate haughty attitude to everyone. Perhaps thats why no self respecting woman would put up with him? Turnip...

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  • Think

    Lowlander...
    Not all lowlanders are Sassenach sepoys...
    Specially not that Campbell lovin' Bard of Scotia...

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  • DemonTree

    @Clyde15
    And the Yorkshire Dales, where I was last weekend.

    Maybe a Jute rather than an Angle or Saxon, but Think isn't Scottish and he sure ain't Burns. Presumably he thinks 'auld' looks cool or something.

    But to be fair, I have seen him admit to being wrong, unlike certain people on this site. He's definitely haughty though.

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  • Think

    Ahhhhhh.
    Jorvik... our ancient Viking land...
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyds_Bank_coprolite
    ;-)))

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  • DemonTree

    Heh, what a massive Viking shit.

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  • The Voice

    Are you referring to Twinkle?

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  • DemonTree

    ;)

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  • Clyde15

    Think or not to think...that is the question. Answer below.

    What a load of unmitigated drivel....really, what's wrong with your brain.
    Narcissism is obvious to all but there must be other quirks.
    Lack of self worth being Argentinian ? So much so that you have to insert yourself into an alien culture of your own invention which has no basis in reality.

    I see why so many “shrinks|” are needed in Argentina. I can only assume that your delusions are received by a form of Osmosis or a predilection to over proof malt whisky.

    As you seem to think you are an expert on the peoples of the Highlands, why don't you write in Gaelic instead of using lowland Scots

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  • Think

    Lowlander...

    As a mere Argie..., I can say that your self-esteem as a Scot must be quite on the lower side if you Think that a tourist apreciaton of the beauties of the Highlands and his knowledge of one of the worlds' most popular songs is a form of...:“insertion into an alien culture of your own invention which has no basis in reality.”...

    Besides..., as I already have written on these pages some time ago.., my best angling mate is married to a Campbell...

    Nudge..., nudge... say no more...

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  • The Voice

    Thinky no mates I Think...

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  • DemonTree

    Suddenly I'm happy Think is not so fond of England. The only thing worse than a foreigner who hates your country, is a foreigner who just luuuuves your country and believes they know more about your own culture than you do.

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  • Think

    Ya mean..., like all those many Anglo Turnips in here..., constantly postingin about Argentina...?

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  • DemonTree

    Okay, maybe sometimes the foreigners who hate your country are worse. There's something so ungrateful about choosing to live in a country and then bad-mouthing it constantly.

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  • Clyde15

    I am not jingoistic about my country. I happen to have been borne and brought up here as were my parents and theirs back to when records began.

    I do not differentiate between, highlander, Islander, lowlander or borderer. These terms in the 21st century are obsolescent. They are all Scots with the same education, language and probably outlook as myself.

    Scotland has its good points and its faults as have all countries.

    As to self- esteem , I do not relate that to my land of birth and feel no need to blow a trumpet about it, that's for the Scottish Tourist Board.

    You admit that you have visited very little of Scotland by missing the bulk of the Central Belt and the south where the bulk of the population live.

    If you fish on estates in East Sutherland and Caithness, then the chances are you are mixing with the landed gentry who live in a highland twilight zone divorced from the real world.
    I feel that no foreigner has a right to piggy-back a culture and use it as if he had right to do so. It is insulting but that seems to be your stock-in-trade.

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  • Think

    Lowlander...

    You say to me...:
    “If you fish on estates in East Sutherland and Caithness, then the chances are you are mixing with the landed gentry who live in a highland twilight zone divorced from the real world.”
    I say...:
    Let's see... There were some 1,600,000 Scots that voted for Independence in 2014...
    I THINK..., it will be safe to assume that half of them are REALLY serious about Independence...
    That gives us some 800,000 Scots I share my opinions with...
    I don't THINK there are S00,000 many landed gentry who live in a Highland twilight zone divorced from the real world in the estates of East Sutherland, Caithness or Speydale...


    You also say...:
    “I feel that NO FOREIGNER has a right to piggy-back a culture and use it as if he had right to do so.”
    I say...:
    Beside THE ENGRISH..., I reckon you mean...

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  • DemonTree

    Nice switch there, Think. No one mentioned independence until now.

    I can do it too: nearly 13,000,000 Argentines voted for Macri, let's say half of them really support him, that's 6,500,000 Argentines who ElaineB, The Voice, Jack Bauer etc share their opinions with. I guess they must be experts in Argentine culture just like you are in Scottish.

    And I reckon he *didn't* mean that...

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  • Think

    Where did I EVER say ANYTING about being an expert in Scotish culture..., lad...

    I just enjoy fishing and drinking her Uisges and luuuuuuuuuv those rrrrrrrrrolling rrrrrr's of the Highlands...

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  • Clyde15

    You do not have a valid opinion on Scottish Independence any more than I have a valid opinion on who should be in power in Argentina.

    I regard YOU as a foreigner and I regard the English..(not your stupid pretentious engrish,)
    Welsh, Irish as fellow citizens. If they live and work here then they have the same vote as me as do other nationalities. We have a joint culture with regional variations. There are now so many 2nd generation Scots in England that we are heading eventually towards a homogeneous grouping.

    As a champion of the “Highlands” you do realise that Highland region, Moray Perth and Kinross all voted AGAINST independence and still you pretend that their wish was otherwise. The ones who did vote yes were mainly located in the LOWLANDS.

    How do you reconcile that with your pseudo Scottish pronouncements

    You really haven't a clue as to what it is about. I keep out of other countries politics UNLESS it affects MY country. The only ”quarrel I have with Argentina is their attitude to the Falklands and dependent areas. Apart from that, they can get on with whatever they do.

    Have you studied land ownership in Scotland....very little is owned by the Scots

    theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/10/scotland-land-rights

    You refer to yourself as a Scandinavian. You are not. You are an Argentinian having been borne there. Be happy with your own nationality and stop claiming some right to others for which you have no claim.

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  • Think

    Same here..., lowlander...

    The only ”quarrel“ I have with the United Kingdom is their attitude to our Malvinas and some 12,000,000 km2 of dependent areas...
    A desintegration of said Union would help with the solving of said ”quarrel”...

    Therefore..., and because the Scots deserve it...
    Alba gu bràth...

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  • DemonTree

    Fishing and whisky and sabotage, and anyone who inconveniently disagrees with his aim of weakening Britain gets insulted and called a sepoy.

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  • The Voice

    I Think someone has given us an ample demonstation of his bigotry and ignorance. Argentina's weakness is rooted in many more like him. Well said countrymen!

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  • Think

    TWIMC...

    How moving..., seeing all them Engrish posters in here closing ranks and being united in a common front against the greatest challenge facing the UK a the moment...

    The Argie revindication policy on its territories in the South Atlantic....;-)))

    I can almost hear them Rorke's Drift bagpipes in the background...

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  • Voice

    What is that I see...?
    “ There was little or no Norse incursions into what is now called Speyside. ”

    Hmmm...

    “Thereafter, Halfdan broke away from the Great Danish Army to attack eastern Scotland. Viking raiders based in the Orkneys raided into Moray Firth. By 900 Vikings had captured the fortress of Dunottar, south of Aberdeen,”
    ...and
    “Danes under the command of Canute landed at Cruden in 1012. They built a fort on the links, but King Malcolm II gathered an army and engaged the Norsemen. Casualties on both sides were high, and the peace treaty following this battle agreed”

    ...and wait for it...

    “The battle of Mortlach was fought in 1010 by King Malcolm ll against the Danes. The Vikings approached from Carron House on Speyside four miles to the West of Dufftown and camped at a place called Little Conval, while King Malcolm's army had come from the East via Glenfiddich and camped on the other side of the river at Auchindoun. The two armies met near the monastery of Mortlach beside a river called the Dullan Water which ran in between the two armies. The battle took place near the Giant's Chair and the monastery of Mortlach. The Giant's Chair is a bit cut out of a rock that looks like a chair fit for a giant.”

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  • Think

    Mr. Voice...

    You say...:
    “What is that I see...?
    “” There was little or no Norse incursions into what is now called Speyside. ””...

    I say...:
    Or..., as I fancy calling its higher region...: Speydale... ;-)

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  • The Voice

    Wail all you like Twinkle, yours is a lost cause just like the fishy duo's.

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  • DemonTree

    “I can almost hear them Rorke's Drift bagpipes in the background...”

    That'll be Voice practising. The bagpipe is a very carrying instrument. ;)

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  • Clyde15

    You are again showing your total arrogance “ A desintegration of said Union would help with the solving of said ”quarrel”... What makes you think that Scotland would favour Argentina over the Falklands if it became independent. You're in lala land.

    You also assert ”therefore..., and because the Scots deserve it“..

    So you know better than the majority of Scots who voted to stay in the UK. !

    I would have to point out that Cruden Bay and Dunottar are not in Speyside but on the coast near Aberdeen.

    I had read the same article which you have pasted before I wrote my piece but chose my words carelessly....anyway I knew you would jump in. However, any Viking” incursion had next to no effect on the region over the long term...100 years.

    Mortlach is about 12 miles from the Moray Coast and this seems to be as far as the Norse travelled into this area. They were defeated and kicked out.
    I can find no evidence of any Norse influence any farther up the Spey. No place names or villages so their influence must have been minimal. Nowhere do you find the fabricated word Speydale.

    Or..., as I fancy calling its higher region...: Speydale... ;-
    You could call it banana land but would still be wrong.

    Voice according to the times shown, you posted at 3:30 am ?



    The greatest challenge facing the UK a the moment...

    The Argie revindication policy on its territories in the South Atlantic....

    Delusions again. It does not even appear on the scale. We don't recognise any Argie territories in the S.Atlantic

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  • darragh

    Bagpipes at Rorke's Drift?

    I don't think so - surely it was B Company of the 2/24th Foot - a Welsh Regiment!!

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  • Think

    TWIMC...

    Lowlander above reacts to irony as he never heard it before...

    As I only have a passing knowledge of them Lowlands..., I wonder if...

    Are all lowlanders devoid of the sense of irony... or is it just a Clydesdale thing...?

    ;-)

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  • The Voice

    Quite, bagpipes would be too vulnerable to Assegais. Further proof, if any were needed, of Twinkles abject standard of knowledge of all things British. Apparently Welsh bagpipes do exist though.

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  • Voice

    Clyde

    Actually your calculation is a bit off, I posted at 2am...
    Don't tell me you are suspicious...;-)
    This should allay that suspicious mind...
    I've just nipped out in the 4x4 to take a pic for you...I reckon I don't have to tell you where it is...
    As you know it's sunny with blue skies today, but plenty of snow...

    https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4611/39764493702_181bdccd2c_o.jpg

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  • darragh

    TV

    I didn't know about Welsh bagpipes so I googled it and in the process what do I find but:

    http://theconversation.com/bagpipe-bandits-how-the-english-blew-scotlands-national-instrument-first-55403

    Psst. Don't tell, you know who - he'll have a hissy.........

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  • The Voice

    Darragh, the pipes are widespread, Brittany, Cornwall and Ireland were all probably early adopters with there various versions, Celts. I suppose the way the pipes are so closely linked with Scotland is that so many people there play them. My great grandfather was an Irish piper in the British Army. I'm at Celtic Connections next week so no doubt I will be exposed to the wailing sound. However that great Irish singer Cara Dillon for starters...

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  • Think

    Mr. Voice...

    That picture of Benmore House proves nothing...

    ;-)))

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  • Clyde15

    Darragh

    Actually the regiment was originally founded in Warwickshire and then later moved to Brecon.
    Only about 33% of the troops were Welsh, the rest English. However, why spoil a good film

    I went to Rorke's Drift when I was in S.Africa. A total disappointment. The “river” was about 3 feet wide, the building had been rebuilt. The only things to see were some assegais, bullets and a Martini Henry rifle.
    The film was shot miles away in a much more impressive site.

    Voice
    When I looked at your posting time at 10:30, it said post time 7 hours ago 03:30 . I was curious as to why the subject was so riveting to make you stay up half the night.

    A funny blue colour in the sky, not much seen lately. I see the Edinburgh schoolkids are there in force. My granddaughters both had a week there in winter. Canoeing in Loch Eck and then getting thrown in for a laugh ! What fun !!! Our yearly members meeting at Benmore is sometime in mid February. However, nice picture. What camera do you use ?
    We have escaped the snow but 10 miles inland it's a different matter . Minor roads covered in 20 cms of frozen slush. I keep forgetting Ayshire has some high roads.....the Straiton road is 400 metres above see level...much higher that the Rest

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  • Think

    Hmmmmmmmmmmm...
    The lowlander didn't take my Wooly Bugger...

    ”How does a humble Patagonian than never has been to Argyll & Bute rcognises the Benmore Manor drive in...?
    Next time i'll try a Parachute Adams...;-)

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  • Clyde15

    The easiest way is to ask Voice to check his EXIF information on the original picture.
    If you right click on the original picture, click properties and then details, the exact date and time is shown along with camera, lens details and exposure.
    From the angle of the sun's reflection, I would say 1pm +/- an hour

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  • DemonTree

    DateTimeOriginal 2018:01:20 13:07:49 - good guess.

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  • Think

    TWIMC...
    Does it tell who took it...?
    Does it tell the name of the Manor...?
    Does it tell the nationality of Mr. Voice...?

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  • DemonTree

    Nope, and I didn't expect it to. Voice knows his technology. It does say it was taken with an iPhone6 camera.

    As for his nationality, if he's not British then he does a convincing imitation.

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  • Think

    As convincing as my imitation of not being British...? ;-)

    Question (to technology unsavvy Clydedale15)..., remains...:
    ”How does a humble Patagonian than never has been to Argyll & Bute rcognises the Benmore Manor drive in...?

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  • DemonTree

    Yes. I especially liked “No one in *its* sane mind”.

    But it's easier to pretend not to be something than to be something. I could probably convince someone like Kanye that I'm not British, pero no puedo fingir ser Argentino.

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  • The Voice

    There are programs to delete and alter Exifs. The only way to prove anything is with a dated newspaper in the picture and then that can have a photoshopped date.

    The drive in? Simples, Google for similar views on the web. Brook Street is totally on the ball as far as deception goes... Twinkle has obviously been Voiceys guest, they are so often luvvy duvvy.

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  • Think

    “The drive in? Simples, Google for similar views on the web” says the Anglo Turnip above...

    Not so simples... Doesn't work... Next...

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  • DemonTree

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?ei=T9djWrSgNcWRgAbfkojIDA&tbm=isch&q=benmore+house&oq=&gs_l=#imgrc=V61MTObJRmu6QM:

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  • Think

    Cunning... me dear Baldrick....
    If not for a minor detail...
    To Google “Benmore House”..., one has to know it is “Benmore House”... Next...

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  • DemonTree

    That would have been my first guess considering it was the last place Voice mentioned.

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  • Voice

    Clyde

    As DemonTree says I just use the iPhone to take pics, it does a pretty good job too...
    I reckon Mr. Think merely deduced that if I took a pic specifically for you that it would probably be where you like to frequent...Benmore Gardens. If one Googles Benmore Gardens there are several that include Benmore House...easily enough recognisable from my pic...
    What is interesting is I can't find a single pic of Benmore House in the snow anywhere on the net...

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  • DemonTree

    I can. That one you just took. ;)

    Voice, do you know what skiing is like in Scotland? We were gonna go for the weekend to practice but then someone told us it's really hard cos of the snow being near zero and therefore really slippery. So is it worth it or do you have to be an expert?

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  • Think

    Mr. Voice...

    Close but no cigar...

    I just wanted to excite the Lowlanders paranoic idea of THINK having have a small army of boloists checking all the house pictures of Scotland and working 24/7 for the destruction of the Anglospere...

    Truth is that since you live in the vecinity of Dunoon and posted a picture of a Manor close by... I just googled...: “manor argyll & bute” and then selected...: “pictures”...
    The first picture in the search was Benmore House...
    You can try it...
    No magic..

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  • DemonTree

    You must be disappointed that you can't destroy the Anglosphere single handed, Think. What's a boloist?

    I was gonna post a picture of a manor I visited for Mr suspicious Kanye, but he buggered off before I could. Oh well.

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  • Voice

    Mr. Think...
    I spoilt it didn't I...damn..;-)

    DemonTree

    EscoSesDoidao probably knows a lot about it I seem to remember he did a lot of skiing up north...
    I do know the surface of the snow up here is like ice so there may be something in what you are saying...
    I know nothing about skiing...seen quite a few folk heading to Glen Coe though...

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  • Think

    Mr. DemonTree...
    What's a boloist?... you ask...
    Naive questions..., again... pffffff...
    http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1917/nov/15/boloism

    Mr. Voice...
    No sweat...
    He will bite again...sometime... ;-)

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  • Voice

    Paul Marie Bolo was a German spy who was executed by the French during the First World War)
    Boloism. the practice, during war, of promoting propaganda and defeatist activities favoring an enemy country

    I didn't know that...I was thinking that it was BOLO Be on (the) lookout for...BOLOist a person employed to look for stuff...
    What a numpty...fortunately no one else knows that I didn't know...hey wait a minute...

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  • Clyde15

    Think
    You don't excite me, my reaction is “Christ, here he goes again” with his fingers stuck in the keyboard. As to paranoia, I think it would be fair to attribute that to your personality.
    Obsessive belief that the Falklands belong to ARGENTINA. Thinks that he can speak for Scotland. Nuff said !!
    ”He will bite again...sometime... ;-)” He just might BUT he has strong jaws and sharp teeth.

    Voice
    How did DT come up with a time and date for the photograph. It doesn't work for me on the Flickr picture.

    You probably will not find a snow picture of Benmore because it is closed to the public between November and Mid March.

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  • Think

    Lowlander....

    I'm still chuckling about last time you raised from the depths of the Clyde and took my fly...
    A “Birding Scotland quarterly” fly it was... A magnificent bite...

    And don't worry... I don't doubt for a second that you have “strong jaws and sharp teeth”... Lowlander...
    As all game fish in Alba have... Along with quite small brains...

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  • DemonTree

    @Clyde15
    I stuck the URL into this handy tool:

    http://metapicz.com/#landing?imgsrc=https%3A%2F%2Ffarm5.staticflickr.com%2F4611%2F39764493702_181bdccd2c_o.jpg

    Normally there would be GPS coordinates too, showing where it was taken.

    @Think
    Charming as ever, I see.

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  • Think

    Don't worry for Mr.Clyde15..., lad

    He is a big boy... and as a well travelled Campbell loving lowlander he surely can take some banter...

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  • The Voice

    EXIF data is available on all Flickr photos, just click on the ® icon ( but with an i ) , no need to use other programs. GPS coordinates are only present if the device and the user supports/ and enables them. There are other facilities which are quite revealing too...;-)

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  • Think

    Ohhhhhhhhhhh....

    ............................... That's why some posters in here want..., sooo much..., this auld, frail humble and technologically unsavvy Patagonian (grandlads chuckle when I scroll with me index or.., even worse...,me middle finger ;-) to post some pictures from me humble Patagonian abode...

    Some real cunnning Baldricks ot there... ;-)))

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  • Clyde15

    Small brain possibly , but quality yes. Unlike the Chubut variety which barely functions coherently and operates on insult mode when challenged.

    DT
    Thanks for that. I don't have or want an i phone and almost never use a mobile phone The one I have is permanently wired into my car and is only used for emergencies

    I use only “proper” DSLR's for my photography. My current Nikon D610 will be replaced by the new D850 when it becomes available.

    Are all lowlanders devoid of the sense of irony... or is it just a Clydesdale thing...?

    1) I don't live in Clydesdale and never have. Glasgow is not in Clydesdale.
    2) I wouldn't try using irony on a Clydesdale. They are powerful brutes and would be likely to give you a hoof in the gut. I have seen this happen . The bloke hit the horse firmly on the rump and received a two-footed kick that lifted him 5 feet in the air and he landed 10 feet away with 6 broken ribs. I am sure he never tried that again. All this from a large gentle horse.
    We have a saying -“ built like a Clydesdale” meaning don't think of tangling with him.

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  • Think

    Wooooooooooooooooooooooow....
    The lowlander has a dumbphone in his gas guzzer...
    What a surprise... I was expecting him to be using the good auld heliograph... ;-)

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  • Clyde15

    Heliographs would be useless here.They require sunlight to make them work
    Gas guzzer...(note, the word is guzzler) ? 60 mpg . Try that with a petrol engine.
    How many leagues do you get to a bale of hay, or your horse even.

    Why would you need an i phone. I daily see idiots walking down the street with their thumbs twitching on a screen and sending hundreds of rubbish texts. Who are the dummies reading them and why. Christ, do we ALL have to follow the TRUMP ?
    My phone can dial a telephone number and I can talk to the caller at that number. What else would I need it for ?

    I took it in (a nokia) for a new battery and the shop assistant wanted to buy it. He said that it was a classic and indestructible. I replied, why would I want to sell it then ?
    It does what it says it does, Sends and receives calls, with a long battery life. It has other functions which I have never bothered to use and don't even know what they are for.
    I am proud to say I have never sent a text in my life. I keep getting them but just delete them. If they want to contact me, ring my landline number and leave a message.

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  • DemonTree

    @Think
    You can turn the GPS off, or strip out the metadata before uploading the picture if it really bothers you. Or just take a picture of someone else's 'humble Patagonian abode' when you're away from home.

    You're no more tech unsavvy than you are humble.

    @Clyde15
    Smartphones have pretty good cameras these days, but there's a limit to what they can do. Obviously you can't stick a big zoom lens on the back of an iPhone.

    And texts are great if you don't want to have a whole conversation, plus you can send then in a public place without everyone around you overhearing.

    I had two Nokias and they both died, but I don't know how I'd cope without a smartphone these days. It's so useful for everything.

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  • Think

    Hmmmmm....

    What could an auld angry geezer as Clyde15 use a Smartphone for...?

    Maybe as a GPS when the fret or the haar of Scoti blurr his orientation sense...?

    Maybe for recognizing any bird or birdsong that crosses his path via a little App...?

    Maybe for recognizing any plant or shrub that crosses his path via another little App...?

    Not to mention other nimieties as compass..., altimeter..., barometer..., clinometer..., flashligh..., Gmail.., Home Banking..., Airbnb..., Ticket booking app for La Scala..., MercoPress... and som other useless stuff...;-)

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  • The Voice

    Twinkle, stop showing off and post some pictures. Bet you cant! Perhaps views of Claridges or the Running Horse?

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  • Think

    Turnip just above...
    Funny you keep mentioning the Claridge...
    As a young man..., I used to frequent the place... Nice to see it hasn't change a iota...
    https://synergy.booking-channel.com/api/hotels/185/medias/154

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  • The Voice

    Turnip just above, well, its just down the road from your hangout... My second cousin often leads the string quartet and relaxes in the Running Horse. As a young man I used to frequent the 100s Club, the Marquee and Eel Pie Island.. Far removed from Claridges.

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  • Think

    No reaction from the lowlander...

    I THINK he must be in shock after being informed that having a smartphone in his pocket when venturing into the wild..., he can safely find his way to and fro and identify comprehend, document classify and file almost any manifestation of nature he may encounter in his way...

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  • Clyde15

    That is assuming that you have a mobile phone signal or do they work without one....pray tell.

    I am unlikely to be in a place where I need directions from an i phone. I find ordnance survey maps and a compass work tolerably well. However, this would require a skill that you don't possess.
    I don't need an app. to identify any bird that I may happen to see or hear. I would take general notes and look up my copies of the Birds of the Western Palearctic OR my computer version of same with calls and videos.
    Similarly with any plant or shrub, I would take a quality picture with a proper camera and use one of my many reference books. If I could not recognise it from this, I can always get expert opinion from the SRGC who, in many cases are the worlds experts.

    As you so rightly say, other useless stuff...not required.

    For reporting birds, written descriptions are required NOT pictures on an app !

    I am in shock to think that anyone is so dumb that he cannot navigate or identify places or wildlife without a child's toy.

    If you are as ancient as you say, how did you manage to live and function without an iphone.....or didn't you !

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  • DemonTree

    In my experience google maps is pretty useless off-road, the Ordnance survey is way better, but the phone is still useful for checking your current location, and it's not as common to lose the GPS signal as the phone one.

    Nothing a smartphone does is essential, but it's so useful! When I was abroad I used mine to choose and book hostels in the next city, to book rail tickets and then my flight home, to check in for the flight, and I even had an e-ticket on the phone so I didn't have to print anything.

    I took all my photos on the same phone, and used it to find my way around strange cities. Plus I could stay in contact with people at home for free.

    Sure I could find another way to do all those things, but it would be a pain and take time and money.

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  • The Voice

    Off road Osmand + is great, it needs no phone signal, the maps can be on your memory card. cycle.travel gives you the best cycle routes with the least vehicle traffic. Transfer the routes in .gpx files to Osmand + and you get voice and screen directions on your phone.

    In 4 unknown European Cities we visited in the Autumn Google maps was brilliant. Specify your destination and choose the public transport option which gives you various choices of instant timed directions by rail bus tram and walking. Click and go!
    Sorry Clyde you can get along without a smartphone but they do have their uses. A decent camera beats a phone any day. My tiny Panasonic LF1 is brilliant.

    https://flic.kr/p/niLBeS

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  • Think

    Veteran Lowlander above...
    A Textlbook example of an elderly person refuting “New” technology...
    “New” being anything discovered or developed after one turns 60...
    Happens in every generation for most of us ..., elderly...
    Previous ones thought airplanes and cars were useless stuff...not required...
    Previous ones thought electricity was useless stuff...not required...
    And so on..., and so forth...
    Sad but true...

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  • DemonTree

    Yeah. If you're as old as you claim, Think, then it's pretty surprising you're so into modern technology.

    You'd be about the same age as my grandmother, and I can't imagine her even getting online, let alone extolling the virtues of smart phones on a website. People a bit younger are more likely to have used computers at work or still been young enough to get interested when they became popular.

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