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Support for Lula's presidential bid despite his corruption conviction

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Four South American ex-presidents are among more than 170,000 people who signed a petition supporting former president Lula da Silva bid for another term as Brazil's president, despite his corruption conviction. US film-maker Oliver Stone also signed the online petition supporting Lula, whose electoral aspirations are at risk of being blocked. Read full article

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  • :o))

    Lula KNOWS that the following is the profile of This Kind of the Population. That's why they love each other:

    Vocês que fazem parte dessa massa
    Que passa nos projetos do futuro
    É duro tanto ter que caminhar
    E dar muito mais do que receber

    E ter que demonstrar sua coragem
    À margem do que possa parecer
    E ver que toda essa engrenagem
    Já sente a ferrugem lhe comer

    Ê, ô, ô, vida de gado
    Povo marcado, ê!
    Povo feliz!
    Ê, ô, ô, vida de gado
    Povo marcado, ê!
    Povo feliz!

    Lá fora faz um tempo confortável
    A vigilância cuida do normal
    Os automóveis ouvem a notícia
    Os homens a publicam no jornal

    E correm através da madrugada
    A única velhice que chegou
    Demoram-se na beira da estrada
    E passam a contar o que sobrou!

    Ê, ô, ô, vida de gado
    Povo marcado, ê!
    Povo feliz!
    Ê, ô, ô, vida de gado
    Povo marcado, ê!
    Povo feliz!

    Ôôô, boi

    O povo foge da ignorância
    Apesar de viver tão perto dela
    E sonham com melhores tempos idos
    Contemplam essa vida numa cela

    Esperam nova possibilidade
    De verem esse mundo se acabar
    A arca de Noé, o dirigível
    Não voam, nem se pode flutuar

    Não voam, nem se pode flutuar
    Não voam, nem se pode flutuar

    Ê, ô, ô, vida de gado
    Povo marcado, ê!
    Povo feliz!
    Ê, ô, ô, vida de gado
    Povo marcado, ê!
    Povo feliz!

    Ôôô, boi
    REF:
    https://www.letras.mus.br/ze-ramalho/49361/

    Jan 16th, 2018 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • golfcronie

    Solly, no understand

    Jan 16th, 2018 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @GC

    Now, you will, if you understand English:
    REF:
    http://www.thesleuthjournal.com/soros-cia-behind-brazilian-revolution/presidential-talk

    Jan 16th, 2018 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @GC
    http://lyricstranslate.com/en/admiravel-gado-novo-admirable-new-cattle.html

    Jan 16th, 2018 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    The composer, Zé Ramalho, hit the nail on the head when he likened the Brazilian people to cattle.....

    Jan 16th, 2018 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    Great musician, and a very moving song. Sadly applicable to most countries...

    Jan 16th, 2018 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Patrick Edgar

    Countries the world over are demonstrating they'll take corruption over social injustice. The world is saying “At least we can deal with corruption, we can get angry at it and denounce it against people who are accessible. We can't denounce fake politically correct capitalist oligarchic arrogance hiding behind armed guards threatening you with displacement slander and jail”

    Jan 16th, 2018 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • :o))

    @JB:

    Population for Slaughter = Brazilian Style Revolution

    “What Brazilians still don’t understand is that their country is like a farm. Most people sill don’t get that they don’t have a government, but that they have OWNERS”:
    http://www.thesleuthjournal.com/soros-cia-behind-brazilian-revolution/

    Jan 17th, 2018 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @:o))
    “Most people still don’t get that they don’t have a government, but that they have OWNERS”.

    Just like the feudal ages.....It was only in the early 60's that I started to take an interest in politics, and I remember that the military regime, in order to gain the support of the north eastern States, artificially opened up more seats in Congress and brought in many more politicians from that region....at the time, knowing well the NE culture of the ”coronéis“, I had fleeting thoughts of what would happen if they ”imported” their backward culture to the rest of Brazil....Well, I reckon we all have that answer, now...

    Jan 17th, 2018 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @JB:

    REF: “.............in order to gain the support...................”:

    So far Brazil only has about 30 or so parties - exactly for the same reason. In the present situation, many old parties will be encouraged to change their names, many new parietes, new affiliations and alliances will be formed; to grab the largest possible slice of the cake!
    REF:
    http://www.chargeonline.com.br/php/DODIA//iotti.jpg

    Jan 18th, 2018 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @:o))
    I think 32 parties....with another 70 in line, waiting to be registered (and which hopefully will NOT happen)....their only interest is to receive their share of the “Fundo Partidario”, and then put themselves up 'for hire' to the highest bidder....(biggest bribes)
    As far as changing the names of the parties goes, their only concern is to try to confuse the public, and distance themselves from previous votes in Congress which went against Brazil's interests, for personal gain.

    Jan 18th, 2018 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @JB

    All that and much more, to grab the largest possible slice of the cake; while The Cattle is very busy in more important issues like waiting for the fodder [or perhaps the second coming of the Christ]! REF The FACT:
    https://i0.wp.com/humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Povo-Panaca.jpg?resize=443%2C335

    Jan 19th, 2018 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @:o))
    Right on ! “while the Cattle are very busy in more important issues like waiting for the fodder”, or one could say, “waiting for the 'bolsa familia'”...eta povinho 'panaca' !

    Jan 19th, 2018 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @JB

    :o))

    Well explained:
    https://i2.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Lula-e-o-Apt-da-OAS.jpg?resize=580%2C369&ssl=1

    Jan 20th, 2018 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @:o))
    it's the same, really ignorant 30% of the population....most of whom are on the bolsa familia.

    Jan 20th, 2018 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Patrick Edgar

    I am so fed up with people from your culture, talking about countries as if they were nationals experts of their own countries, when in reality YOU DON'T KNOW JACK SH***! ABOUT BRAZIL OR ANY OTHER SOUTH AMERICAN COUNTRY! You were not born there ! Probably didn't ever live there ! You don't know their hearts! Their humor, their values, their love, their language, or their History for what it signifies to them ! You can't connect their idocincracies to how they understand their own country. NOTHING ! You're nothing but a batch of arrogantly pedantic insolent intrusive and abusive users, calculating scheming planing meddling manipulating influencing pressuring and messing with OUR countries! They are not YOUR countries, they are OUR countries. Get it through your government's thick presumptuous greedy heads! It's time you fix the endless problems you started and created or MIND YOUR OWN BEE'S WAX GO HOME AND LET THE WORLD LIVE IN PEACE !!

    Jan 20th, 2018 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Querido Patrick, FYI Jack Bauer was born in Argentina, is a Brazilian citizen, and has lived in Brazil since he was a small child. As such he knows plenty about Brazil, certainly more than a US/Italian citizen currently living in Europe. It's kind of ironic that he's an Argentine citizen and you are not, isn't it?

    Jan 20th, 2018 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Patrick Edgar

    I was talking about Jack, necessarily. Same difference anyways. Their's an illness that has intoxicated South America since the founding of its nations, a sort of self love deprived brainwashed self perception of inadequacy and no self worth, that tragically compliments foreign belittlement. Coming from within or coming from the outside, it's ultimately only condition ... one complex yet singular problem in the end, of shared blame.

    Jan 21st, 2018 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    F00D F0R TH0UGHT:
    https://i2.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/dia24-lula.jpg?w=700&ssl=1

    Jan 21st, 2018 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    Good petition I'll have to get onto change.org to sign it myself. An election without Lula would be a mockery and also very dangerous, with Jair Bolsinario the “Tropical Trump”, actually more fascistic than Trump, a real possibility to win

    Jan 21st, 2018 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @PE
    Are you saying South Americans have an inferiority complex?

    @BK
    I don't know much about Bolsonaro, what's so bad about him?

    Jan 21st, 2018 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    He supports killing street kids, for one thing. And openly praises the military dictatorship - he dedicated his vote to impeach Dilma to the colonel who presided over her torture

    Jan 21st, 2018 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Wow, that's low. I read his Wikipedia article:

    “American journalist Glenn Greenwald referred to Bolsonaro as ”the most misogynistic, hateful elected official in the democratic world“.[17] News.com.au wondered whether Bolsonaro was ”the world’s most repulsive politician“.”

    What a prize, he sounds closer to that murderer Duterte than to Trump.

    Jan 21st, 2018 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Jack Bauer

    @PE
    Sorry to say PE, but sounds like you are the one who's full of sh*t...
    As DT correctly states I was born in B.A., came here as a young kid, got my formal education here, have lived abroad (for about 5 years) and have travelled quite extensively, both on business as well as on vacation. I know Brazil pretty well, and far better than the average Brazilian....so please spare me your hysterical outbursts.
    And, did you know that it's the sign of a weak person who becomes hysterical, makes false acusations, then has to put his tail between his legs, and crawl back into his hole to lick his wounds ? BTW, where's the hole you live in ?

    @BK
    What else do you know about Jair Bolsonaro ? obviously just what the left-wing press loves to make a meal of...Regardless of his ideological positioning, I wouldn't vote for him as he is hardly presidential material.....the problem is that very few here are, and those that are, are not in politics.

    Jan 22nd, 2018 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Patrick Edgar

    “Oddly” precise grammar mistake on my part. I meant to say “I wasnt” ... talking about Jack necessarily, as my “hysterical outburst” was a more of a general cultural commentary on South American social history and psicology, as well as the political policies of Northern Hemisphere than an “accusation” But; ...we *arent all free to see what we choose to see in what people write, nor do or give what we would prefer or what is best for all. Wanting to find and see the higher and better meant content, is simply not enough in a world where the prevalent average of the spices, countries or humanities societies, simply still has not reached loving its own kind, or life, enough.

    Jan 22nd, 2018 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @PE
    I'm sure there are plenty of people who comment on other countries without knowing anything about them, we even have some here. But as you just saw, not everyone is speaking from ignorance. You probably have a different view of the US compared to the average American, does that mean you don't understand its people and culture and shouldn't comment on it?

    @JB
    What makes you say Bolsonaro isn't presidential material, (apart from being a Brazilian politician ;) ).

    Jan 22nd, 2018 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Jack Bauer

    @PE
    “Oddly” precise grammar mistake on my part. I meant to say “I wasnt” ... talking about Jack necessarily,...“
    Who d’you think you’re kidding ?
    Despite your ”oddly precise mistake“ it is sadly obvious that you WERE referring to 'Jack'; Your play on words in your outburst ”YOU DON'T KNOW JACK SH***! ABOUT BRAZIL OR ANY OTHER SOUTH AMERICAN COUNTRY!“, as well as ”You were not born there”, is directed at who else, if not ‘Jack’ ?

    @DT
    Jair Bolsonaro , like most Brazilian politicians, is no model of honesty…so far, he’s only been accused of small things, such as fiddling his accounts, using his cabinet funds for things other than his work, but while it’s relatively insignificant, compared to Lula’s or even of Temer’s, it’s probably only because he’s never been in a position with access to public funds. But he confirms the trend, and IMO would become more “ambitious” as time passes…Besides that trait, common to most of our political class, his hatred for the radical left, while a good thing, has pushed him to the far right, not a good thing. His military background, while probably contributing to his intolerance of the left, has probably had less influence than his headlong personality ; he is prone to over reacting, not keeping things in perspective. And what Brazil needs now is someone level headed ; it’s unlikely he’ll be able to reconcile the opposites in Congress, making the country ungovernable…unless he’s prepared to ‘buy’ Congress’ good will (a renewed cycle of corruption ?).
    There are a few people whose names have been mentioned, who might be reasonable candidates, but so far they are all playing their cards close to their chests. And don't blame them, because when/if their candidacies are announced, the witch hunt will be on.

    Jan 22nd, 2018 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @JB
    Yeah. To be fair Patrick was also talking about :o)), who's never actually said he's Brazilian, but it's still funny.

    I don't think hatred for the left is a good thing, but otherwise yeah, I can see why you'd object to Bolsonaro even apart from his backwards views. And I guess Lula would probably have the same problem if he is allowed to run and is reelected; he'd have to bribe the congress to get anything done. Let's hope someone reasonable gets elected then, who isn't too deep in the corruption already.

    Jan 22nd, 2018 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Patrick Edgar

    @DT. “You probably have a different view of the US compared to the average American” What?! Why would you say that!? That's highly prejudiced on your part sir.
    @JB. Yes, I admitted that. Did you want me to “apologize” ? I'm not so convinced it is warranted. I clarified that my inclusion of you as an outsider (which I'm not so sure how much you are not) was secondary to the problem at hand, which is what to me is most important.

    Jan 23rd, 2018 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @DT
    I don’t like communism, nor populism - be it left or right wing. Congress is so fragmented, that whoever gets in is going to have serious problems to govern efficiently. If the pension reform is not passed, or disfigured until it's worthless, the deficit will just keep on growing, sucking up funds from other areas. In 2017, social security registered a loss of R$ 270 billion (USD 81 billion), a 20% increase over 2016, so it's easy to see where it's headed...if the reform fails.

    Just to close an open post regarding our exchange on ‘political propaganda’ : nightly broadcasts cover a few of the various candidates from one party, showing where they’re from, so presumably the viewer is supposed to be able to read the name of the town ; generally, they just plug the same old false promises...all read from script as they are incapable of memorizing more than 10 words...

    Article in the plural, noun in the singular…yes…like, a hundred ‘pea’, ‘a dozen ‘apple’, etc.. Unfortunately, the accents and grammar mistakes faithfully represent the candidates' lack of formal education. It’s how most of the lower class speaks. Eg, ‘problem’ in Portuguese is “problema”…but most say ‘poblema’, or ‘pobrema’. The commute for most workers can be nasty…specially when the trains break down..usually due to bad, or lack of maintenance, and just as common, the theft of electric cables…or when the train operators go on strike.
    The problem is that when Brazil was doing well, politicians just saw it as a chance to increase waste and corruption.

    @PE
    Relax, I don't expect, nor want you to apologize....anyway, if not spontaneous, it means nothing.
    But I see you haven't learned much fm your mistake...If you have any Italian blood in you,
    you should understand the expression “battere sempre sullo stesso tasto”..... “which I'm not so sure how much - of an outsider - you are not”....
    Think what you will. Won't change a thing.

    Jan 23rd, 2018 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • :o))

    Inquisition - Brazilian-Style:
    https://i0.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Tribunal-do-Lula.png?resize=549%2C420&ssl=1

    Jan 24th, 2018 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @PE
    surprising how much you and EM have in common...

    Jan 25th, 2018 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Patrick Edgar

    the British here and in facbck... ALWAYS! always always always, try to steer arguments and in the end take threads to a 'personal' level. It soon becomes about creating “enemy characters” everyone who sides with you must pick on. Bullies to the core.
    Sorry, I don't know who “EM” is.

    Jan 25th, 2018 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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