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Bank of England said UK was already suffering a “Brexit effect”

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A “deeper relationship” with Europe will benefit the UK economy, the governor of the Bank of England has argued. Mark Carney's comments follow claims by chancellor Philip Hammond that the UK and EU economies will only move “very modestly” apart after Brexit. Read full article

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  • Patrick Edgar

    There are lies within that statement. Certainly Britain cannot appear to have no worries, if it got “too cocky” for sure many would start indulging and looking into more carefully at all the things it got away with while in the EU and all the ways it held the EU back, caused complications, unnecessary problems, obstacles etc.

    Jan 27th, 2018 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Clyde15

    PE
    Pro British as usual Patrick ! What did the UK get away with that no other EU country did ?

    Jan 27th, 2018 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Patrick Edgar

    Why should any Argentinean not be vigilant onto Britain or even anti British ? Look at your record in the world. Look at your actions. Look at your plans. Loot at how you set things up. Look at how you respond. Look at how you speak and what you say. Look at how you handle the Malvinas Falklands conflict. Look at how you have always treated Argentina. Look at how your military acts towards the planet.
    ARE YOU SERIOUS !? iT's a wonder more countries are not conspiring to bring Britain down. You should consider yourselves lucky.

    Jan 27th, 2018 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Islander1

    Patrick - What is so wrong with the way UK handles the Falklands-Malvinas situation? Its handled in line with the modern democratic world system, in line with the UN Charter- Human Rights and Rights of People to decide their own Political future.
    Just as the Argentine people- 70% approx. of whom are of non-indigenous descent several and some many generations back - of course indeed also have the right to decide their future in argentina.
    Arg cannot harp on about who did what do who 200-300yrs ago - back then the whole damn lot were at it - grabbbing new lands and fighting each other over them British-French-Spanish-Portuguese-Belgian-Dutch, even the Germans and Italians - bloody pirates the lot!
    It was a different era - different rules- in the last 100yrs the rules have thankfully changed.

    Jan 27th, 2018 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Patrick Edgar

    The “Modern democratic world system” ... Can you explain what you think that is? Do you mean the systems created by the English led league of Nations to fool the world into thinking it had a “selfless plan”?
    Argentina also has “a Political future”. It had a Political future in 1833, in 1805 and 1807 as well as in 1845, it had a Political future in 1982 . But of course you mean the FIG's political future. Not precisely the islander's political future, but the “instrument” London gave them to use for its own benefit.
    Tell me; what does it matter who has and who does not have indigenous decent in Argentina? Should we be talking then about who does not have 100% British decent in England? Are YOU or Britain going to bestow OUR people with having rights? I'll humor you and say that “that 30%” has already decided their right. Their parents decided for them to be Argentine. Did you want to change that? I think you can't. Since already every Argentine citizen has the right to remain Argentine or go take up residency in some other country, or renounce their citizenship. Listen. Argentina came into existence in exactly the same way every other country in this world has. Except the Falklands of course, which is not exactly a country, but a strategic modern day colonial outpost being tended by people whose hands they stuck a flag in.
    ... I think you need to get a brain. And start over. And I say that, because I care for you. Believe it, or not.

    Jan 27th, 2018 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Clyde15

    PE

    Troll speak.

    Jan 27th, 2018 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Patrick Edgar

    CL15

    Fart thought.

    Jan 27th, 2018 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • darragh

    PE

    What have you been drinking today to make you so aggressive?

    Why do you need to be so offensive?

    The only colonialism in the South Atlantic is that which Argentina tried and is still trying to impose on the Falkland Islanders.

    Care for the Falkland Islanders? If you care for them so much why do you regard them as untermenschun?

    Jan 27th, 2018 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Clyde15

    Darragh

    He is losing his marbles. However, he is a fine spokesman for ARGENTINA.

    Jan 28th, 2018 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Patrick Edgar

    The only ones loosing their marbles here are those suffering so much appalling indoctrinated self-centeredness that their fair and objective appraisal of world international situations is completely and aberrationally distorted, calling an cockroach and apple, and an orange a knife. Some of you sound like in your entire lives never walked outside the streets of London, or heard even once any other language in existence except English.

    Jan 28th, 2018 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • darragh

    PE

    See what I mean? why so aggressive and offensive??? You do your argument no good by annoying people so why bother??

    “Some of you sound like in your entire lives never walked outside the streets of London, or heard even once any other language in existence except English”.

    That's quite funny seeing as London is probably the most polyglot city in the world.

    Personally I have only been to London a couple of times and it seemed to me that I heard many more languages their than say Madrid which I've also visited.
    But then, obviously you have never visited London or for that matter any part of the UK.

    Yes, my first language is English but I studied French, German, Latin and Irish at school.

    I don't have much use for German as we don't get many Germans around here even in the height of the season although we do get a fair few French.

    Here in the Ghaeltacht though, Irish is an everyday language.

    I see no reason why I shouldn't call a cockroach an apple, after all
    “what's in a name? That which we call a rose. By any other name would smell as sweet”.

    Jan 28th, 2018 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Patrick Edgar

    ... oh I've been to London, sweetheart
    And i said “”As If”

    Jan 28th, 2018 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • darragh

    PE

    Really? I've re-read what you posted and guess what? no sign of 'As if'

    Copy/paste

    'Some of you sound like in your entire lives never walked outside the streets of London, or heard even once any other language in existence except English'

    Definitely no sign of 'As if'.

    '... oh I've been to London' - well clearly not because if you had you would be aware of the number of languages spoken there and not just assume that everyone only spoke English or perhaps you men London. Ontario or one of the many others?

    'sweetheart'? as if!!!!!!!!!

    Jan 28th, 2018 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    “The only ones loosing their marbles here are those suffering so much appalling indoctrinated self-centeredness that their fair and objective appraisal of world international situations is completely and aberrationally distorted”

    Have to say I agree. That Argie brainwashing has a lot to answer for; look what it's done to poor Patrick here.

    @PE
    No necesito visitar Londres oír un idioma extranjero. Puedo escuchar a mis vecinos hablando en lituano o caminar por el pueblo oír la gente hablando en polaca.

    Jan 28th, 2018 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Patrick Edgar

    zzzzz zzz

    Jan 28th, 2018 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    ... lol wow. Such intricate logic or reason !

    I bet you've never been to London either.

    Jan 28th, 2018 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Patrick Edgar

    Intricate logic OF reason ! not “Intricate logic or reason” !
    Twice. Once almost a month, celebrated Christmas while I was there at a huge club called the Hipadrome (The year 1984) Another time like only a few days... that last time is a blur, for some reason. :-) All I remember is going to lunch to meet a friend I hadn't seen since college at a super expensive restaurant in some hotel lobby, my college friend taking me there to meet her new very rich American lawyer now both living in England. He acted like a total snob because I did not know how to grab the glass to drink from it or the wine bottle to pour with or something completely idiotic like that. I then looked at my friend with an private glare like saying “what have you done!?” And she just shrugged while glancing at the rocks on her blinding engagement rings. Oh ya! I remember taking the tube a lot and hitting parks and museums and that sort of thing.

    Jan 28th, 2018 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    “Intricate logic OF reason !”

    That makes even less sense than what you wrote originally.

    Did you meet and talk to any British people while you were in London? I don't think you will learn much about a country by visiting parks and museums. Also, it's probably changed quite a bit since 1984! That was quite soon after the Falklands war so it could have been awkward if you told people you were Argentine.

    PS. Was the Spanish I wrote above correct? I need to practice.

    Jan 28th, 2018 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • darragh

    PE

    So no 'as if' then!

    'I remember taking the tube a lot and hitting parks and museums and that sort of thing'. Clearly never been to London either if that's the best description you can come up with.

    What other lies have you told on these threads I wonder? - well actually no I don't because most of the things you write seldom make any sort of sense.

    Jan 28th, 2018 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Patrick Edgar

    @Demon. Nearly:
    No necesito visitar Londres para oír un idioma extranjero. Puedo escuchar a mis vecinos hablando lituano o caminar por el pueblo y oir gente hablar Polaco.
    @darragh. I feel sorry for people who think people lie on the internet. What are you doing here then? Hoping the ones you talk to don't lie ?
    Listen, I answered Demon's question. But if you two would rather me not have been to London. OK I wont. lol

    Jan 29th, 2018 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Gracias. ¿Por qué es 'mis vecinos hablando' pero 'gente hablar'?

    No pensé que estabas mintiendo sobre tu viaje a Londres. No significa que entiendes los britanicos.

    Jan 29th, 2018 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Patrick Edgar

    I never said that; because of my visits to London I knew the British. Sadly the notions and ideas I have today about “the British”, though I'm aware of how loft sided that is, are now nearly entirely built by my interactions with British men on Facebook over the last six years confronting and combating over the Falklands/Malvinas matter. I can only imagine opposite to what it has ended up being, how beautiful it could have been, and how different my perspective on the British would be, had over these last six years we had tried together to develop a solution to bring reconciliation and an end to the dispute by addressing our respective claims to history and the future of the islands, instead of one country complaining and the other one telling it to shut up as a constant description of what it has been like.
    So sad and disappointing. But... I guess Britain must have what it wants. Because its will is the only will worth anything on this planet. Correct ?

    Jan 30th, 2018 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    No, but you did boast that you understood both sides of the issue because you were born in America. Britain is not America though. One big difference is all the nationalism in America, pledging allegiance to the flag and stuff, and how much they seem to revere their army. If you see flags here it usually means it's football season.

    “Because its will is the only will worth anything on this planet.”

    Nah, but if you go on Facebook to argue then you'll find an argument. You come across as pretty aggressive here, and not very interested in listening to other people either. Plus the people with the most interest in any subject are usually the ones with the most extreme opinions. If you talked to British people about something neutral, you would almost certainly find them more reasonable.

    Jan 30th, 2018 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Patrick Edgar

    DT, There is such a thing as “the English speaking Culture”. If you look at the world as a whole, and observe the various forces and tendencies that cross over boarders and arrive at the printing presses of other nations, specially now days with the advent of an intensely productive movie and information industry, what actually has the greatest impact force is carried by a society's language. Foreign languages are making other countries even THINK differently. If in a country like Uruguay let's say, which has never been attacked by a Muslim anti Israel extremist group let's say, we read one day on a headline “Government launches new measures against airport terrorism”, it will be not because it is something the people in that country are concerned with, but because its very notion has been slowly seeped in, not necessarily intentionally yet nonetheless “imported” by the English language through several means. This linguistic science about the world today, is actually intentionally wielded by 'some' (just to not get into specifics). Why do you think the Argentine angrily denounce Bristol “Human Rights Organizations” about fueling and boosting a previously different natured problem, which wasn't exactly what it is purported to be now, in areas of still prevailing indigenous populations in the South of Chile and Argentina? The instigation is atrocious. Intentionally or not, groups of people smell the power, see the invented imported fight, and go with the new “social invention” to selfishly attack and create problems just to feel more powerful themselves, instead of civilly dealing with their countries' problems. Do you think Britain later acknowledges accountability? On No, what they do is get “instigation happy” and throw more wood into the fire. Soon you will learn why in so many countries in the world are very angry at the British and American political personality, unfortunately see it as governmental direct intention.
    .
    I'm no different at all to others in that.

    Jan 30th, 2018 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    PE
    I see you love conspiracy theories

    Jan 30th, 2018 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    “There is such a thing as “the English speaking Culture”.”

    Sure, but I think you are overestimating how similar the US and UK are. The US is a superpower, and acts like it. The UK no longer is, and nearly all the recent wars we have been involved with were just supporting America.

    As for your example of anti-terrorism measures in Uruguay's airport, it is nothing to do with being influenced by the English language, but for the very good reason that flights go from there to countries like the US that are likely to be targeted. It's a global problem. Plus Argentina has been attacked by Islamic terrorists in the past, so why not Uruguay?

    As for the rest, I have no idea what you are talking about. Bristol human rights organisations? But I do know why many countries are angry at America's actions, and Britain's too. For example, the US supported the anti-Communist coups in Latin America during the cold war, and has generally interfered with those countries' politics in support of US businesses.

    Jan 30th, 2018 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Patrick Edgar

    Demon Tree ... how old are you? Seriously

    Jan 30th, 2018 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Old enough not to believe in any old conspiracy theory I hear about. Sometimes the simplest explanation really is the best one.

    And I don't have psychic powers either. If you want me to know what 'Bristol human rights organisations' refers to, and why it is relevant, you'll have to explain.

    Jan 30th, 2018 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Patrick Edgar

    Where to you read I said anything about “a conspiracy” ? LOL

    Jan 30th, 2018 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    This bit sounds exactly like a conspiracy:

    ”This linguistic science about the world today, is actually intentionally wielded by 'some' (just to not get into specifics). Why do you think the Argentine angrily denounce Bristol “Human Rights Organizations” about fueling and boosting a previously different natured problem, which wasn't exactly what it is purported to be now, in areas of still prevailing indigenous populations in the South of Chile and Argentina? The instigation is atrocious. Intentionally or not, groups of people smell the power, see the invented imported fight, and go with the new “social invention” to selfishly attack and create problems just to feel more powerful themselves, instead of civilly dealing with their countries' problems. Do you think Britain later acknowledges accountability? On No, what they do is get “instigation happy” and throw more wood into the fire.”

    But really, if you are wondering why I don't understand you, it's not because I'm too young, but because you are starting in the middle. It feels like you are rehashing old arguments from Facebook rather than replying to me or anyone else here. Do you want a discussion or a monologue?

    Jan 30th, 2018 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    DT

    He wants a rant !

    Jan 30th, 2018 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Patrick Edgar

    The world is the only home we have.
    This is it. And it is a closed system. Whatever we do here will always affect everyone under the clouds for ever.
    The human intellect and its thinking expression is the resultant of the human beings social cultural living through the use of its speaking and languages. Speaking is the forefront of creation. We may think suddenly something different, perhaps never tried or created before, but it wont come into existence until we communicate it with others. Every form that results from this tackling engaging or creating of situations wishes or problems is the unique creation of every given thinking people's integral society by virtue of their unique language. Language, or “the Word” gives and makes everything we are. We may share through translation, but something is always lost in translation. A lot actually; creating a loss of quality and significance in the process before the time it takes to materialize. But that is another subject.
    So if on one side of the planet one civilization ended up satisfying its need to create characters of communication inventing ink brushes, on the other side they did so with lead chalk pencils maybe. The same way, one civilization will cure cancer through holistic Chinese principals let's say, another through western chemical technologies.
    Although they may meet or crisscross in common places or follow similar paths, or seek the same courses of overall development and sciences, perhaps always end up perusing the same areas of social order or a similar number of them, like the different strains of corn, or tomatoes or a certain marsupial which evolved many strains or variations, so will the natural course of our social scientific and intellectual evolution be unique according to each cultural social language and their people.
    For one country to forcefully insist on a singular language or form of civilization, or political philosophy spells disaster. It's not coincidental the world “cycles”

    Jan 30th, 2018 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    @PE
    Have you heard of the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis? It says the structure of a language affects its speakers world view or cognition, kinda like what you believe. I learned about it at school, but there's not much evidence for it.

    You seem to think it's naming something that makes it exist, and what you have said about racism agrees with that, but words aren't magic. Just because you don't have a name for a feeling, doesn't mean you don't feel it. Like, there was no word in English for Schadenfreude until we borrowed the German one, but people had been feeling pleasure at others' misfortune since forever. Similarly, you can be racist and hurt other people without knowing the word for it, sometimes without knowing you're doing it. Just because people didn't speak out before does not mean they didn't mind.

    Besides, no country now is insisting on a singular language and form of civilisation, and it would be impossible anyway. The Western countries are the ones who least enforce conformity on their citizens. If people all over the world are getting more similar, it's because of television and this internet we are talking on now.

    Jan 30th, 2018 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Patrick Edgar

    @DT
    Yes, I never heard of it (thanks will look into it) but I have thought about it, and think think that indeed there's something to it. 100% bilingual or trilingual people notice differences in how one people build their rational versus others. English for example doesn't have gender distinctions, while German has three. Spanish genders nearly everything, things verbs nouns ... everything is either male or female. The evidence for it would have to be some kind of personality or psychological evaluation of social behavior. It could't be physical evidence. (Does Swedish and Danish have gender?) Maybe there is physical evidence.

    No, not all. You totally didn't get what I tried to explain. I wasn't talking about words giving things worth at all.
    I was talking about the construct and form the entirety of civilization ends up being looking like and doing. It's very existence is described through what words did. I now realize it's not such an easy thing to explain. I'm going to have to think about it a bit. I have the understanding in my head, but I see now it's hard to put into words. lol No pun intended.

    Oh that's far from the truth DT. You should know better. NATO leading countries are bent on having countries conform to Consumerist Capitalism. YOU know THAT! Just say the world Communism in a crowded room, or Socialism, or Fundamentalism, or propose the question that Parents should try and get kids that are interested in advocating and living homosexually to think twice about it and give it more thought before being so convinced its a good choice of life, ... and see the looks you get in that room.

    Jan 30th, 2018 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    So what are these differences? I don't think those genders are a big deal, they're just an annoying grammatical thing. You don't really think of a table as female and the floor as male, do you?

    Swedish and Danish apparently have two genders, but one is neutral and the other is the male and female gender merged.

    Basically, I think this idea of language influencing thought is backwards. It's culture that influences language, and showing a dubbed Hollywood film in Argentina will spread US culture there more effectively than teaching kids English. If learning English spreads US (mostly) culture, it's because it allows people to be more exposed to it, not because a different language makes them think differently.

    “NATO leading countries are bent on having countries conform to Consumerist Capitalism.”

    Not NATO specifically, but if you said western countries in general it would be close to the truth. However, that's an economic system, not a form of civilisation or a language. And Socialism is not a dirty word in Europe, like it is in America. Our own Labour party is a member of the Party of European Socialists, along with the Italian Democratic Party, the French Socialist Party, Social Democratic Party of Germany and the Spanish Socialist Workers' Party. All serious major parties who have been in power fairly recently. As for your homosexuality thing, I literally lolled. Parents don't need ANY encouragement to do that, despite the fact it's totally pointless.

    Jan 30th, 2018 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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