MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Western leaders abhor nerve-agent attack and point to Russia: “no plausible alternative explanation”
The leaders of France, Germany, the US and UK say there is “no plausible alternative explanation” to Russia having been behind the nerve agent attack in the UK. They condemned the “first offensive use of a nerve agent in Europe since the Second World War”, calling it an assault on UK sovereignty. Read full article
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Mar 16th, 2018 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck”
Mar 16th, 2018 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0@TH
Mar 16th, 2018 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse +1It really IS a duck - so what's the BEST the west is going to do about it, besides LOUDLY protesting [whimpering] and applying the [ineffective] sanctions?
Hello..., EscoSesDoidao... Hou'r ye?
Mar 16th, 2018 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse -3How comes you are soooo Doidaodly right about all things Scot and about this new WMD parody featuring Comical Theresa, Boris & Donald...
...but soooo Doidaodly wrong about the Malvinas Islands issue...
I guess there is a biiiiig Scot Colonialist heart palpitating inside that wee Scot chest of you...;-)
THINK
Mar 16th, 2018 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse -2....F**K OFF AND TRY AND FIND YOUR SUBMARINE........
@Think
Mar 16th, 2018 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who do you think built the empire? ;)
But seriously, what makes you believe you can convince a Scottish Nationalist that self determination is unimportant and the Falklanders can't be a people because they are British?
@lord soctt the third
Learn to spell, and then try and find your shift key.....
TWIMC...
Mar 16th, 2018 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse -2I don't Think for a second that wee Mr. EscoSesDoidao needs any convincing about the fact that the flooding of bonnie Alba's land by Southerner Sassenachs is ***THE*** reason why the Scots can't have no Inependence...
Wee Mr. EscoSesDoidao should..., if consistent with his patriotic ideals and ideas..., perfectly understand the plight of us Argies having to see them Northerner Sassenachs using the same trick to try to appropriate some 12,000,000 km2 of South Atlantic and Antarctic territory...
He should need a hell of a lot of convincing since it's not true. The fact that a damn lot of Scots don't think independence is a good idea is THE reason why the referendum didn't pass.
Mar 16th, 2018 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Incidentally, the chance to get in on England's colonies was one of the reasons they agreed to the union in the first place.
Why do you call him 'wee' all the time anyway?
damon tree.... you can fu*K off as well you retard. i believe my english is spot on you foreign cunt.
Mar 16th, 2018 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can't decide if it's funnier that he thinks his English is 'spot on', or that he put a * in fuck but not in cunt... :D
Mar 16th, 2018 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All Russia says is that they didn't do it and know nothing about it- but they don't provide reasons why they don't know anything about it. Any accused would provide evidence of how they lost control of a prohibited weapon or substance that (a) they shouldn't have had anyway and (b) would help to investigate in their own interests, regardless of accusations, and certainly wouldn't compound the situation.
Mar 16th, 2018 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Q...: Why do I call Mr. EscoSesDoidao “Wee”' all the time?
Mar 16th, 2018 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse -2A...: 'Cuz he ain't definitively no àrd lad... ;-)
Twinkle, you and the other idiots cant seem to get it through your thick skulls that you are never going to get our Falkland Islands or any of our South Atlantic Islands You tried twice and got chucked out twice. You are gluttons for punishment, no dipute about that.
Mar 16th, 2018 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse +2As for your ramblings you sound like you are permanently pissed, liver and brain damage are obviously occuring. Suggest you take up sex with Guanacos which seems to be popular in Chubut (and Brook Street).
Mr. DemonTree...
Mar 16th, 2018 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse -2You that are one of those savvy technological millenials...
Why don'you check your new friend's...: Turnip “lord soctt the third”... identity...?
His prose reminds me of other sockpuppets of that auld friend of yours...: Turnip “The Voice”
@Think
Mar 16th, 2018 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't get the impression it's a brand new poster, and indeed it's not a new account but also not one of the ones I know belong to The Voice. It was registered around the same time as EscoSesDoidao in fact.
I'm sure I remember another offensive poster with a similar disdain for the Engiish language, but I don't recall his name now.
Back on topic, I assume you are always ready to believe the worst about the UK government, but who else would and could have killed the guy in that way?
Mr. DemonTree...
Mar 16th, 2018 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse -2You say...:
***“ I assume you are always ready to believe the worst about the UK government, but who else would and could have killed the guy in that way? ”***
I say...:
And I must assume that you Engrish have learned nothin' nor remember nothin' about the Iraki WMD farse...
Anyhow...:
1) Mr. Skripal ain't dead yet... AFAIK...
2) Mr. Skripal has paid his dues to the Russian state..., being perdoned and exchanged...
3) Mr. Skripal is bond to have fkucked biiiiiiig with some pretty heavy..., unforgiving Russian dudes in his time as a double spy...
To round up..., I THINK that if this humble Patagonian was able to buy almost anything in the backalleys of Kiev during the early nineties..., I don't THINK it would have been particularly difficult for some less humble fkucked up Russky spies to buy a stash of very small glass vials containing some nasty fkucked up greyish or yellowish pulver....
Capisce...?
@Think
Mar 16th, 2018 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I remember there were serious doubts in the press about the WMD at the time. Do you also think Litvinenko's death was not arranged by Putin?
1. You're right, he's not dead (yet).
2. Does the Russian government see it that way? Or did they decide he got off too lightly once they had their own guys handed over?
3. Probably. He definitely did fuck the Russian state though, and not even out of conviction, but for money.
“I don't THINK it would have been particularly difficult for some less humble fkucked up Russky spies to buy a stash of very small glass vials containing some nasty fkucked up greyish or yellowish pulver....”
What, like, just in case they wanted to kill someone in a difficult, dangerous, and showy way 25 years later? And then kept it all this time before using it on Skipal? I wonder how long the precursors stay in a usable state, that's something the analysts would know.
There are much easier ways to kill someone that won't make a big splash. The publicity makes sense if it's supposed to be a warning to prospective traitors, not so much if it was private revenge.
The publicity makes also sense if it's supposed to LOOK LIKE a warning to prospective traitors..., lad...
Mar 16th, 2018 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -2One wonders why the Ruskies didnt do a Nissman leaving no trace? Perhaps they should have contacted Cristina and members of her Evil Empire to find out how it was done? Endless supplies of Choripans are an essential ingredient and Paul Daniels of course as a consultant.. ;-)
Mar 16th, 2018 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse +2@Think
Mar 16th, 2018 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So this hypothetical heavy, unforgiving Russian guy decided to murder Skripal in a way that would implicate his own government and cause them diplomatic trouble, without their permission? What do you think the Russian state's opinion of this person would be?
That he was..., potentially..., double clutchin' for the same employer as Mr. Skripal...?
Mar 16th, 2018 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Wuff wuff, here boy, have a bone…. Laddie
Mar 16th, 2018 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Think
Mar 16th, 2018 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Would the result for this hypothetical person be much different if they believed that? Will he be enjoying a long and peaceful retirement?
And why would the British government want to accuse Russia unless they really believed Russia had done it? With the WMDs it was obvious they were looking for a reason to invade Iraq, but why would Britain want to worsen relations with a much bigger, better armed country when there is unlikely to be much practical international support? What's the benefit?
Mr. DemonTree...
Mar 16th, 2018 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse -2“And why would the British government want to accuse Russia”..., you ask...
To be a good poodle..., as they were when they harboured Mr. Skripal in the first place..., I say...
Well then, why would the US want to stir up more trouble with Russia, after backing down from confronting them in Syria twice already?
Mar 16th, 2018 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you didn't answer what fate you see for this hypothetical guy. Or do you reckon the Russian government will be pleased with his work?
Look laddie...
Mar 16th, 2018 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Here we are..., us to nobodies..., chatting civically and rationally about this issue..., whilst your government goes all in with bombastic albeit circumstantial accusations against Russia...
There'is usually a perfectly logical explanation for such an irrational and uncivic behaviour on their part...
And it ain't pretty...
If there's a perfectly logical explanation I'd like to know what it is.
Mar 16th, 2018 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It does *seem* they are being hasty - that comment from the Defence Secretary was a particular WTF moment - on the other hand they know a lot more than us, and there really is no other plausible suspect. People do tend to react when attacked.
Think you are an absolute anti British twat! Talk about turnips, look in the mirror.
Mar 16th, 2018 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse +1We had the umberella incident, something in the coffee and now this. It has Russias fingerprints all over it. Berezovsky, Glushkov… whos next, your Poodle…
TWIMC...
Mar 16th, 2018 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Hereby a fresh link to me favourite Rrrrrrrrrrrr's Rrrrrrrrrrrroller...
As usual..., I concord with most of his points of view ...
Not only in the Malvinas Islands Issue...
https://youtu.be/7snm1Yvwuu4
Galloway, seriously? Another person who is happy to support any enemy of Britain and America, it's not a wonder you like him.
Mar 16th, 2018 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The benefit to Russia is obvious, and after Litvinenko they probably thought they could get away with it. For sure they don't care about relations with the UK, they've been trying to provoke us for ages.
But neither you nor him has said what the benefit of blaming Russia is supposed to be to the UK, or America.
TWIMC...
Mar 16th, 2018 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Brainwashed Brits...
Listen to your “enemies” voices...
Maybe you will someday..., somehow awake...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v3Vn7YVV9ZA
You're the one who still believes in good guys and bad guys.
Mar 16th, 2018 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -1She's complaining about the whole thing, but that's not a surprise. Boris is being Boris and I'm still wondering what the bloody hell May was thinking.
Other than that she thinks there will be more sanctions, which there was been no sign of so far. I daresay she thinks the current sanctions for invading a neighbouring country are ever so unfair too.
And then she complains that we don't have answers on the deaths of Litvinenko, Berezovsky, and Perepilichny! I wonder why *that* might be?
Then there is something about a terrorist attack they prevented, which must have been badly translated because it made no sense. If you know what she is talking about there I'd appreciate a clue.
But most of all, I still want to know what the benefit to the UK or US is supposed to be from all of this. All I've heard are implausible conspiracy theories.
Maybe they are not telling us the whole story...that they have found the highest concentration of nerve agent in the daughters suitcase...slipped in at Moscow airport as she boarded her flight to the UK...
Mar 17th, 2018 - 01:00 am - Link - Report abuse -1Pretty difficult to access the suitcase without the aid of authorities at the airport...I reckon...
Good Scottish morning..., Mr. Voice...
Mar 17th, 2018 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse -1Would you please be so kind to explain to this brainless back part of our congenial intercontinental pantomime horse one little thing...?
You say firstly...:
***“ they have found the highest concentration of nerve agent in the daughters suitcase ”***
I say...:
So far, so good... Easy thing to detect, document and prove... I am with...
You say thereafter...:
***“ slipped in at Moscow airport as she boarded her flight to the UK ”***
I say...:
Hold your (pantomime)horses..! How to detect, document and prove such..? You lost me there...
Prove Mr. Think....?
Mar 17th, 2018 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse -1If the hypothesis is correct then the Russian nerve agent came directly over from Russia with the luggage and therefore it would be quite right to demand an explanation from Russia how this was possible...
If it was a Syrian nerve agent and the people concerned were ex-Syrian spies and the flight came directly from Syria and Syria had a past history of doing this sort of thing....would you be surprised if the UK pointed the finger at Syria....?
Wars have been started on less proof...
All the descriptions say the nerve agent is fast acting, so if someone wanted to use the daughter to unwittingly(?) deliver the poison to her father, it would really need to be in something like a gift that wouldn't be opened until she gave it to him. In which case, would there even be any traces detectable in her suitcase?
Mar 17th, 2018 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0If they know more than they're telling us it's probably something they learned from spies, which they wouldn't want to reveal.
@Think
I'm planning to visit Argentina in December, any chance of meeting up?
Hasn't Putin survived - AND that too, very successfully - MANY serious attacks?
Mar 17th, 2018 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse +1A few MORE sanctions? Does Putin REALLY care?
Maybe he WILL; if Europe AND The Others stop buying Russian Oil!
Maybe he WILL; if ALL of his investments [and those of his associates] outside of Russia are CONFISCATED!
The question remains: WHO'LL BELL THE CAT [bear]?
Mr. Voice...
Mar 17th, 2018 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse -1***“ Wars have been started on less proof ”***... you say...
You are painfully right..., Mr. Voice... Wars have been even started on no proof at all...
Mr. DemonTree...
You ask...:
***“ I'm planning to visit Argentina in December, any chance of meeting up? ”***
I say...:
From the very beginning I have stated that I'm not here to make no friends...
If me memory serves me well I have turned down an Argie invitation to speak at an Argie University..., a couple of Kelper invitations to fight at the Falklands Sports Week and Puerto Estanley's Victory Bar and a few meeting invitations by Intelligent posters in here that mostly disagree with my position on the Falkland/Malvinas issue...
Anyhow..., I wish you the best of times during your visit...
Regards...
El Think...
DT says….
Mar 17th, 2018 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0“@Think
I'm planning to visit Argentina in December, any chance of meeting up?”
Pity… they could have held a bottom sniffing fest!
Naive poodle, he's not in Argentina, most likely Argie Embassy Brrok St Mayfair
The government probably just got tired of letting Putin assassinate people on our soil and not responding because they don't have 100% proof. Using a nerve agent is a big deal and gives them a reason to kick up a fuss.
Mar 17th, 2018 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Think
I didn't come here to make friends either, but why turn it down when you have the chance? You told me once you'd be happy to drink a pint with me or some other posters you mentioned, but I guess that wasn't true.
@TV
Have you got any snow where you were? I thought it had missed us when I got up this morning but now it's a proper blizzard, even snowing upwards. It looks pretty cool.
@DT Almost everything about Twinkle reeks of fake. Posting times, extraordinary awareness of current British News and customs, closeness to the Quisling in Dunoon, holiday in Italy.
Mar 17th, 2018 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You remind me of the current and past naivety of Corbyn who ignores facts and would let the enemies of Britain walk all over us.
Of course Think wont meet you he is clearly not in Argentina. He's like Reekie, a voluntary exile enjoying the hospitality of a distant Anglo country whilst avoiding the chaos and poverty of his homeland. First class hypocrites…
No snow here (yet), just a few wisps.
Mr. DemonTree...
Mar 17th, 2018 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse -2I Think..., me words were somethin' like that I wouldn't mind paying any of Ye..., non Turnipy Anglo posters..., a pint or three ***IF*** we casually met at the Pub...
I NEVER ment those words as an Internet Social Dating Service...!
Capisce...?
@TV
Mar 17th, 2018 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse -1“You remind me of the current and past naivety of Corbyn who ignores facts and would let the enemies of Britain walk all over us.”
That's funny since I actually care about facts and disagree strongly with Corbyn's foreign policy. But don't let the facts (heh) get in the way of your vivid imagination.
@Think
Okay, okay. I don't know what you're afraid of, but never mind.
And the well oiled Engrish propaganda machine continues to brainwash then Brits...:
Mar 17th, 2018 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse -2https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/689384/Russia-Nuclear-War-Britain-Vladimir-Putin-Map-Targets-Soviet-Union-Cold-War-Nukes-Skripal
Did you hear that MI6 ate Shripal's Hamster...?
GOTCHA...!
It's a tabloid; recycled alarmist crap is their standard fare. There's no 'Engrish propaganda machine', they're just serving their corporate masters, same as Clarín.
Mar 17th, 2018 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hello Think,
Mar 17th, 2018 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +1I haven't spent much time in the forum as of late but it is good to hear from you.
Even though I think that post at the dailystar is just yellow press BS, I agree with you that Moscow didn't order the attack on Skripal. Same pattern as that of accusing Cristina over Nisman death (which I never bought). May would serve her country better if she directed all investigation efforts to search for a “Stiusso” type of guy.
Remember, my offer of meeting for pizza at Burgio still stands. No chance of that happening I guess since you also declined DTs offer.
Anyway, I just remembered it's St. Patrick's day tomorrow, so I´m going to indulge myself with 40 oz of locally brewed IPA.
Cheers!
TF
Mar 18th, 2018 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0St Patrick's day tomorrow?
Oh really.???????????? - don't you have calendars in the ex-USSR
It was St Patrick's day today? Damn, I knew we should of gone to the pub!
Mar 18th, 2018 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0@TF
So it's not just me...
But why do you think it wasn't Moscow who ordered the attack? The number of dead Russians is quite startling, *someone* has been bumping them off regularly.
darragh,
Mar 18th, 2018 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse +1I barely remember my birth date, so I guess that explains it. By the way, this is not good ol´ ex-CCCP but Argentina nonetheless.
@DT
Maffia. Same pattern. Planting a corpse. Oldest trick in the book.
Too much Guinness? ;)
Mar 18th, 2018 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0But how did the Mafia get their hands on a rare nerve agent? This isn't the sort of thing you can make in your kitchen. How did they get their hands on a sample of Polonium, for that matter, or do you think Litvinenko's death was different?
I've seen articles suggesting that at least some of the killings were due to Russian Mafia, but that they basically had the permission of the Russian government to do it. Because otherwise the Mafia be in trouble themselves.
Permission? Yeah, it is no secret that governments resort to thugs to knock somebody off (dirty deeds done dirt cheap!)
Mar 18th, 2018 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse +1However, did the perps really had to use that “rare nerve agent” that is so obvious to trace? They could've got to Skripal in 1001 different ways. Elementary, this thing has a signature and we'll never know who the intended recipient of the message was.
Would Putin willingly bring this shitstorm on himself amidst this increasing rarefaction of the geopolitical realm? I don't thing so (even if the IPA is giving me a hell of buzz ...)
Either the ruskies have become really stupid at hiring assassins (which I highly doubt) or there is indeed someone else (or group) counting on the obvious reaction of western leaders.
Would he have known it would be such a shitstorm though? Polonium is also a showy and difficult to acquire murder weapon, but nothing much happened after Litvinenko's death. Putin may have counted on the fact it's difficult/impossible to prove where the agent was actually manufactured to give him plausible deniability and prevent any action being taken against Russia, but then the UK government decided to come out guns blazing anyway.
Mar 18th, 2018 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse +1It's not conclusive but I still haven't seen a better suggestion for who, how and why.
(I just tried putting snow in my drink. Not as good as ice but still fun. Do you think I'm too old to go sledging tomorrow?)
I'm just drawing a parallel on Cristina - Nisman thing. The least thing she needed in 2015 was to be linked to a murder. Are you suggesting that she relied on this reasoning alone to order Nisman dead? Nope, it caused a landslide against her administration. The general public political response always follows Occam's razor trend.
Mar 18th, 2018 - 01:41 am - Link - Report abuse +1Snow is cool ... Wish I had some of that instead of 35 celsius at 10 pm. All I know is that if I tried to go sledging right now, I'll be sliding on my own pool of perspiration! :P
Yeah, but Russians aren't gonna turn against Putin because of this. Either they won't believe it or they'll support the murder of a traitor. They don't care about Britain, they have plenty of propaganda of their own against us. Unless there are sanctions it's not a problem for Putin, we don't get a vote in the Russian elections.
Mar 18th, 2018 - 02:04 am - Link - Report abuse +1“All I know is that if I tried to go sledging right now, I'll be sliding on my own pool of perspiration!”
Lol. If it reached 35C at any time in Britain it would make the national news. You just need to move somewhere more south, I bet Think gets snow in winter.
You're right about that. Russians are very patriotic. However they've been through a lot since Glasnost and Perestroika. As of 2010 I had a work mate from Russia and he asserted that the soviets weren't gone but latent. Many in Russia that had been close to power during the soviets are still nostalgic of the good old days.
Mar 18th, 2018 - 02:25 am - Link - Report abuse +1Plutonium is indeed a hard to come by thing for us ... mere peasants.
I'll ask Think if he's got a spare room to rent down there in Esquel. I'm determined to retire to a more forgiving environment heat wise. Cold I can handle.
How old are you? I'm 48 and don't feel like a kid anymore (even though Think calls me “kiddo”).
Half a glass to go and I'm half way through a pizza. Coincidence? No way! I'll bet 05 first thing on Monday!
“Russians are very patriotic.”
Mar 18th, 2018 - 03:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Too bad. I suppose anything is better than the chaos and corruption they suffered after the collapse of the Soviet Union, but Putin, really... Russians are good at everything else - science, arts, sport - but they always seem to end up with awful governments.
Personally I prefer heat to cold, perhaps we should swap. I'm younger than you but Think calls even old men of 70+ 'lad'. He must be about 180 the way he talks.
Anyway it's heinously late here and I need to sleep, especially if I want to go sledging in the morning.
I wouldn't dare to defend Putin in anyway, such as I wouldn't dare to defend Donald (not the duck) or Macri.
Mar 18th, 2018 - 04:06 am - Link - Report abuse +1Gee, you surprised me! I would have never thought there existed someone younger than me in this forum.
Go sledge tomorrow and have all the fun that you can!
The question is why is this piece appearing in Mercopenguin, a British government propaganda organ supposedly devoted to America, South America and the “South Atlantic”?
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Mar 18th, 2018 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse -1TF… like the Dover thingy. Another Twinkle sock puppet! Just right for the naive to swallow whole…
Mar 18th, 2018 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0@TF
Mar 18th, 2018 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah, there's Trollboy who was a teenager - though he might've turned 20 by now - but the average age on this website must be about 70.
You used to defend Macri didn't you? Have you changed your mind?
@TV
You've got sock puppets on the brain. If you were to be believed this site would be nothing but copies of Think talking to each other all day. Maybe you are also Think's sock puppet, created for the lulz and to encourage people to vote for Brexit.
Doh! The referendum is over, we are leaving the EU. As for Think's sock puppets they are obvious. Anyway you seem to be keeping Think happy, he just loves your fawning.
Mar 18th, 2018 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@TV
Mar 18th, 2018 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse -1“The referendum is over”
You must've served your purpose then. Perhaps you'll be retired soon like DoD was?
And for my education, do you mind pointing out what I wrote in this thread that constitutes fawning? A couple of lines will be enough.
Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee....
Mar 18th, 2018 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse -1I'm losing control of my sock puppets...!
One of me Anglo ones (DemonTree) just blew the cover of another of me Anglo ones (The Voice)...
One of me Argie ones..., (Ole Biscuit) offers me now una de musarela de dorapa en lo de Burgio for easing the pain of having compared me with Heinrich Luitpold...
And I can't remember where in Dover I misplaced one of me most cultivated ones..., (DoveOver)...
Luckily... one of me most misterious ones..., (Voice) made my day by renaming the Islas Sebaldinas after this humble Patagonian...
Hope HMG takes note and orders the Admirality to change all sea charts..., ASAP...
I'm sure it's something very Freudian. Split personality, and each character represents a repressed aspect of your subconscious. TF is secret resentment of CFK, DoD your admiration of the military, TV the buried desire to be English. Not sure about Voice, maybe guilt about wanting to harm the UK?
Mar 18th, 2018 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse -1And speaking of Voice, he promised me a photo of a mug commemorating my remarkable service in the RAF, two decades before I was born.
Mr. DeonTree...
Mar 18th, 2018 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -1And which repressed aspect of me subconscious do you represent..., chubbie cheeks...?
An arse for sure.. ;-)
Mar 18th, 2018 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse +1@Think
Mar 18th, 2018 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Hmm. It has to be the desire to be young and naive again, instead of worldly wise. Hopeful instead of cynical.
Think,
Mar 18th, 2018 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse +2My pizza offer was not to ease your pain. I doubt anything I can say would traumatize your self image. That was like two years ago but anyway, I recognize that I went to far with that comparison. I'm sorry man.
DT,
I never really liked Macri, but I had to option that to defend him on certain circumstances. I would never vote for an FPV candidate. I went for Massa in the general polls, then voted for Macri in the ballotage.
Tim-lin-bin...
Mar 18th, 2018 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Hmmmmmm...
Not yet two years...
Anyhow..., apology accepted...
Now...
Have you constated in those past two years..., any veracity on my lies..., lies and lies about Macri &Co...?
Do you have pensioned “abuelitos” (as MMLPQTP luuuvingly calls us) in your familly you talk to...?
Wasn't el “Turco Asis” one of your favourite referents...? Have you been listening what he is saying a diestra y siniestra lately...?
Deuda externa...:180.000.000.000 U$D
Deficit com. ext...:10.000.000.000 U$D
Inflación acumulada oficial en los ultimos 27 meses...: ~80%
Inflación estimada para los últimos 4 deciles en los ultimos 27 meses...: ~100%
Si se puede... cagar a la gente...!
Think,
Mar 18th, 2018 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Of course I did my homework applying my #1 mantra: Numbers don't lie. However it is useless to just throw a bunch of numbers while screaming bloody hell!!
Numbers without context are nothing but a bunch of facts that give you no useful information at all. Not that I am questioning your numbers -they slightly differ from mine- but we should determine why have we arrived at those numbers.
All in all, what you stated less than two years ago made perfect sense. However I think that I reacted the way I did because I might have perceived that you were defending Cristina.
What I gather from “El Turco” -not my referent btw, I just enjoy his colorful narrative and precise insights- is that the peronist need to hurry to find a decent candidate for 2019 so they block any chance of Cristina returning. Is that what caught your attention too?
I agree with el Turco, we need someone better than Macri. Will it happen in 2019? Hardly unless there is a bank run or similar crisis (btw, have you read Cavallo's latest post?) 2023 is more likely it.
Meanwhile, keep your neurons alert, your ears wide open, buy some crypto and have a good show!
@Think
Mar 18th, 2018 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse -1I doubt anything I could say would traumatise your self image either. But are you bothered by my Freudian sock puppet joke? If so, then sorry.
@TF
I don't know enough about Macri to like or dislike him, but I've defended him (or rather his policies) on occasion, too.
Didn't Massa used to be in the FPV? Seems a slightly odd choice if you dislike them...
Not so much Chit Chat boys..., We must return to the original scope of this article..
Mar 18th, 2018 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse -2With the kind permission of Wee Scot EscosesDoidao... I will relink to one of his very pertinent and relevant links...:
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/boris-johnson-attempt-to-refute-my-sources-on-porton-down-the-most-hilarious-fail/
The core question here is the FORCED use by the British government of the phrase...: ***“OF A TYPE DEVELOPED BY RUSSIA”***..., because its own scientists refused government pressure to say the nerve agent was made by Russia, and as getting even agreement to “***“OF A TYPE DEVELOPED BY RUSSIA”*** was bloody..., the government has to stick to precisely that rather odd choice of phrase....
In short...:
From now on..., when anybody..., anywhere..., anytime... in the whole World gets shot with centerfire ammunition..., we can blame the Frogs..., because as HMG so nicely puts it...: He/She was shot with an ammunition ***“ OF A TYPE DEVELOPED BY FRANCE ”***
( wikipedia.org/wiki/Centerfire_ammunition )
Capisce...
In the words of Del “What a plonker”. No wonder Argieland is where it is…
Mar 18th, 2018 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +2DT, at the time, Massa had already split from the FPV and his ideas about change were very similar to the now gradual change of Macri. I wouldn't vote for Massa again.
Mar 18th, 2018 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Some background on Macri: He comes from the “state contractor, protected industrialist” lobby. He had an offshore account before he was president and many of the members of his politburo are also suspected of this per the Panama and Paradise papers.
Mr. Tarquin Fin...
Mar 18th, 2018 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Allow me to complement...:
- “MAURICIO ES MAS BLANCO VILLEGAS QUE MACRI...”
- (dicho por el mismísimo papá..., Franco Macri.
http://www.nuestrasvoces.com.ar/investigaciones/la-blanca-madre/
@TF
Mar 18th, 2018 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse -1You may have a puzzle who to vote for in the next presidential election, then.
Is anyone investigating these ministers with off-shore accounts, or are the judges only interested in members of the previous government?
Hahahaha!!! Looks like they're too busy chasing Kirchnerites to investigate current ministers!
Mar 18th, 2018 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Old news..., Mr. Bim-lim-busstop...
Mar 18th, 2018 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Haven't you noticed that they're too busy releasing Kirchnerites from those farcifal preventive arrests...
In a couple of weeks it will hardly be one left ...
Ever wonder why...?
Must be because there is no tomorrow and they will soon face divine judgement day? Or is it that the judges know for sure that Cristina returns?
Mar 19th, 2018 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse +2Or perhaps because they “suddenly remembered” auld man Burgio's compatriot wise words...:
Mar 19th, 2018 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse -1When Politics enters through the Courthouse doors...
Justice flees............. through the windows...
F. Carrara...
Tsk tsk, liar Think posting at the crack of dawn again.
Mar 19th, 2018 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse +1Sounds much better in Italian than in Engrish... pebete...
Mar 19th, 2018 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse -2”Quando la Politica entra dalla porta del Tempio..., la Giustizia fugge impaurita dalla finestra per tornasene al Cielo...”
Francesco Carrara.
And.... returning to the scope of this article...:
- Putin's brutal terrorist chemical weapons attack against the inocent UK's civilian population that has..., so far..., postrated three British heroes...
Engrish morning papers feed today their readers with an increasingly loud Boris Johnson...
European morning papers are asking them Engrish about some evidence... any evidence...
Chuckle.., chuckle...
No alternative explanation! There are plenty of alternative explanations. The most likely one is that this is a British false flag operation designed to influence the Russian presidential election.
Mar 19th, 2018 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse -2Or the British may be getting very worried about the Russians with respect to defense so they're using this to drag us in. This is like a later day Zimmerman Telegram and all the dirty tricks they pulled against the United States during WW2 (for those of you that know your history). The British defense policy is like all those of the other European countries and it has a name - the United States!
By the way..., Mr. F'tang-F'tang...
Mar 19th, 2018 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse -2I couldn't help noticing above..., that you tell Mr.DemonTree that the current President of Argentina..., Mr. Maurizio Macri ***“ HAD AN OFFSHORE ACCOUNT BEFORE HE WAS PRESIDENT ”***
O'Really...?, I say...
ONE OFFSHORE ACCOUNT...?... I say...
What about his 51(fiftytwo) offshore companies..., pebete...? ...I say...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=kEOeO19zQWE
Make an effort and inform yourself who is shagging us..., pebete...
Then..., if you still like it..., well..., suit yourself..., we live in a free Country... (for the time being)
FF
Mar 19th, 2018 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pity for your argument that the 'Zimmerman Telegram' was genuine and admitted as such by Zimmerman himself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimmermann_Telegram
Actually I do have a fair knowledge of history and I would be interested to know about all these 'dirty tricks' played on the US by the dastardly Brits.
There's a nice explanation of the OPCW on the BBC today and what we know about chemical weapons.
Mar 19th, 2018 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse -1“International experts are due in the UK, to test samples of the nerve agent used in the attempted murder of a spy and his daughter. How do they keep track of the world's most toxic chemicals?
”After collecting samples of the poisons used on Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia, a team from the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) will conduct tests, with results expected to take at least a fortnight.“
”Several months ago, Russia announced it had completed destruction of its nearly 40,000 tonnes of declared agents - the largest stockpile in the world. There is no dispute about this as the process was carried out under the watchful eyes of the OPCW's inspectors.“
”Although the Novichoks fall outside these controls, and no country has declared possession to the OPCW, their existence became known in the 1990s.
“It is quite likely that some government laboratories made minute quantities.
”Their characteristics would have been stored in databases, so that their identity could be confirmed at a later stage if found as an unknown poison in someone's blood.
“Whether this has happened in the UK's chemical defence laboratory is not known.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43431537
@DT
Mar 19th, 2018 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If I understood you correctly there might be a chance that the poison used on Skripal could have been made elsewhere?
@Think
”Make an effort and inform yourself who is shagging us..., pebete...
Then..., if you still like it..., well..., suit yourself..., we live in a free Country... (for the time being)”
Your right, I haven't made the effort to find out how many offshore accounts or companies he had (or has, maybe?) because just a single one of those things reaches my threshold for loosing credibility regarding a public figure that is asking the world to invest here.
@TF
Mar 19th, 2018 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, as far as I know. It was developed in Russia, but after the program was disclosed by a spy it could have been synthesised elsewhere. I don't know if the UK government is solely going off circumstantial evidence or if they know something else they don't want to disclose.
Personally I think Russia did it, but it might be very hard to prove conclusively. I don't know if they've got anywhere with finding out how the poison was delivered, even
One of the more humorous opportunities to watch the news pontificators flounder.
Mar 19th, 2018 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse -1If this were indeed a kremlin authorized sanction it would have been only slightly less obvious to give them each two taps to the head with a Ruger and slap a kgb sticky note on his forehead.
A message has been transmitted but the sender is yet to be identified.
Here is an interesting article. It posits how the people who brought you such delights as 'WMD', regime change in Libya and a number of any other fake news operations are now delivering one more.
Mar 20th, 2018 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse -2http://nationalinterest.org/feature/russian-perspective-the-skripal-attack-24978
TWIMC...
Mar 21st, 2018 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse -1And the Engrish Propaganda machine continues..., heavy and robust on its tricky ways..., but more than ethereal on evidence...
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/mar/21/boris-johnson-compares-russian-world-cup-to-hitlers-1936-olympics
The Russian propaganda machine is evidently far more effective on *some* people.
Mar 21st, 2018 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse +1“A Russian official said on Wednesday that Moscow would not accept the results of an inquiry into the source of the poison being undertaken by the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons.”
Why might that be, I wonder?
“Johnson said he would be seeking urgent assurances from Russia that it would fulfil its obligations under the World Cup contract to ensure the safety of fans. “I think it is up to the Russians to give us an undertaking that they will be safe,” he said.”
Fat fucking chance. If this World Cup ends without any of our fans being murdered by Russian hooligans - encouraged rather than punished by their own government - I'll be pleasantly surprised.
The thing that makes it so plausible is all the previous assassinations of Russian dissidents, in different countries, reported in different media. I suppose all these foreign publications are also part of the 'Engrish Propaganda machine'?
And I hope they do 'crack down' on Russian oligarchs investing in London property. Houses are supposed to be places to live, not an investment. The money is totally not worth the painful side effects.
“An Engrish official said on Wednesday that PM Theresa May is shagging the Queens oldest male Pembroke Welsh Corgi....”
Mar 21st, 2018 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Facts..., laddie...
Not Engrish brainwash...
This. https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/on-being-a-dissenting-voice-in-2018/
Mar 22nd, 2018 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse -1Making up random 'alternative facts' isn't going to make me disbelieve something that's in all the newspapers. Try making an actual argument.
Mar 22nd, 2018 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse +1Do something for your own education..., laddie...
Mar 22nd, 2018 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse -1First try to find ANYTHING about that “Russian Official”...
Then..., when you fail to find ANYTHING about him/her..., ask yourself...: Why...?
When you find a logical answer..., then we can have an actual argument..., capisce...?
Vladimir Yermakov? What do you want to know about him?
Mar 22nd, 2018 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse +1Mr. Vladimir Yermakov dd not say what the Anglo newspaper wrote and you believed..., did he lad...?
Mar 22nd, 2018 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse -1”An Engrish official said on Wednesday that PM Theresa May is shackling the Queens oldest male Pembroke Welsh Corgi....”
Oh, so you do agree he exists now?
Mar 22nd, 2018 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse +1The article you linked quotes him saying the following:
“It is not possible to evaluate what happened in Salisbury within the framework of the [chemical weapons] convention and within the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons. Deeper expert evaluations will be needed, and in any case we need to conduct our own investigations for Russia to be able to draw any conclusions.”
And if that is all he said then I think they (or rather the press agency), have put an unfavourable spin on it, but the point is there. Are you denying he said that quote?
Mr. DemonTree...
Mar 22nd, 2018 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse -1And that “unfavourable spin”..., as you call it..., (lie..., would I call it)..., is the one you chose/were brainwashed to believe..., react and disseminate in the first instance...
More “Unfavourable Spin” from the Engrish Propaganda Machine whose wheels continue happily to brainwash their subjects...:
https://mobile.twitter.com/foreignoffice/status/973860071963856896/video/1
A couple of comments about the above Foreign & Colonial Office brainwashing piece...:
1) They chose to include an insignificant cyberattack on the Danish Defence Ministry a couple of years ago that didn't have any consequences at all...
2) They chose to exclude a teeny weeny more significant cyberattack on the USA 's last elections...
3) They chose to exclude the downing of the Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 over the Ukraine...
(Maybe because the Ukrainian fighter pilot accused by Russia of the downing just “shot himself” couple of days ago...)
Okay, so to summarise, you agree the Russian official exists, and did say the words quoted. And that whatever the OPCW investigation shows, Russia does not think it will be enough to determine what happened. In fact, it sounds like only their own investigation would be acceptable to them, which other countries are unlikely to trust for obvious reasons. Fair?
Mar 22nd, 2018 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0RE the video, I don't follow Russian conspiracy theories, so you'll have to tell me why this pilot was supposed to have shot down a civilian airliner according to Russia, and why all the investigations came to the conclusion it was shot down by a Buk surface-to-air missile instead. Were they nobbled by the 'Engrish Propaganda Machine'?
I suspect the airliner incident wasn't included because it wasn't done by Russia, but by the Ukrainian separatists they had armed, and was a mistake in any case, not part of this supposed 'pattern'.
Geeeeeee...boy...
Mar 22nd, 2018 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse -1If you can't Think about reality..., try at leas to Sync with it...
I did a little more research. The line about Russia not recognising the results was reported by Associated Press, and they have a different quote from our favourite Russian offical:
Mar 23rd, 2018 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Vladimir Yermakov, deputy head of the Foreign Ministry's department for non-proliferation, was asked during a briefing whether Moscow would accept the results of the OPCW probe.
Yermakov said that ”unscrupulous efforts“ to investigate the attack without sharing the case files with Moscow ”is not going to work for us.“
Yermakov earlier said Russia is willing to cooperate with Britain as long as it shares all findings of the probe.”
Associated Press is an American news agency, by the way. Another part of the 'Engrish Propaganda Machine'?
Still having a 0xE0000007 problem..., I see...
Mar 23rd, 2018 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Will you tell me something, Think? Do you believe what the Russian government says, not in this case but in general?
Mar 23rd, 2018 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nope...
Mar 23rd, 2018 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you. So what do you think happened to Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (I already told you that I believe the Joint Investigation Team was correct).
Mar 23rd, 2018 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And who do you think poisoned Alexander Litvinenko?
The question is why is this piece appearing in Mercopenguin, a British government propaganda organ supposedly devoted to America, South America and the “South Atlantic”?
Mar 23rd, 2018 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chel
Mar 23rd, 2018 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. The question is why are you asking such dum-assed questions when it was obviously filed under the international section
2. where is the evidence that it is published by the UK government? As they claim they are “an independent news agency”
3. Supposedly, well it does and since it’s a free press why does it have to be restricted exclusively to the Americas
The question is why is this piece appearing in Mercopenguin, a British government propaganda organ supposedly devoted to America, South America and the “South Atlantic”?
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