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Sixty Brazilian members of Congress added Lula to their names

Thursday, April 12th 2018 - 09:08 UTC
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More than 60 Brazilian members of congress from the opposition Worker's Party have formally changed their names. They have added the name 'Lula', after Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva was jailed last weekend. Read full article

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  • :o))

    REF: Gleisi Hoffman will now be known as Gleisi Lula Hoffman:

    Nice to know that Temer suddenly became inspirational by saying that: “The country is NOT in a state of ABSOLUTE disgrace” [Temer pede otimismo e diz que país não está em 'desgraça absoluta'] REF:
    https://g1.globo.com/politica/noticia/temer-pede-otimismo-e-diz-que-pais-nao-esta-em-desgraca-absoluta.ghtml

    But to those who know; what he really meant to say was:
    “The country IS in a state of ABSOLUTE disgrace”! Let's wait for Michel LULLA Temer to IMPROVE it further!

    Apr 12th, 2018 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Lol, that's hilarious, and the President of Brazil saying the country isn't an *absolute* disgrace is even better.

    Apr 12th, 2018 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    The GOOD news is that FINALLY, Brazil is waking up!
    REF:
    http://blogdobarbosa.jor.br/wp-content/uploads/nani312-407x328.jpg

    Apr 12th, 2018 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    My name is Brasileiro Lula Marcus Aurelius.

    Apr 12th, 2018 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Think

    Regards from El Lula Think...

    Apr 12th, 2018 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Jack Bauer

    Good news !! by inserting Lula as their middle name, at least now we'll know who the crooks are....

    Apr 12th, 2018 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    You gonna change your name to Jack Moro Bauer? ;)

    Apr 12th, 2018 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    Very pertinent. Since Lula is in our hearts, it's only fitting that we adopt his name.

    Enrique Lula Massot

    Apr 12th, 2018 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • ElaineB

    Oh, this is hilarious. It really is only anything significant if you change your name by deed poll. Are you doing that? Of course not. What a sad bunch of do-nothings.

    Apr 12th, 2018 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • :o))

    @Brasileiro:

    REF: Brasileiro LULLA Marcus Aurelius.

    Even more impressive after changing sex too! And how about changing the nationality to Brazilian? REF:
    http://www.webpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/CHARGE-Rato.jpg

    Apr 13th, 2018 - 01:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Deed poll? These armchair activists haven't even changed their names on this site.

    @ :o))
    Why do you keep calling him Lulla?

    Apr 13th, 2018 - 08:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    It's short for Lullaby, you know the song your mother used to sing to get you to sleep, they are going to sing it outside jail for Lula.

    Apr 13th, 2018 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    Thieves x Police REF:
    https://i1.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/PSDB-nunca-vai-Preso.jpg?w=650&ssl=1

    Apr 13th, 2018 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • FF

    What is a “deed poll”?

    Apr 13th, 2018 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Voice

    “a legal deed made and executed by one party only, especially to formalise a change of a person's name.”

    Now define lazy...

    Apr 13th, 2018 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    ................................. FF...?

    Apr 13th, 2018 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Enrique Massot

    Hey: About 700 demonstrators are camping outside of Lula's prison. I know, I know. The police should rubber-bullet shoot them, use tear gas, etc.

    This incredible affront to Brazil's democracy won't be without its downsides for a government with dubious legitimity and shadowy record.

    Apr 13th, 2018 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • :o))

    Organized Demonstrations [organized by PT?]

    Apr 13th, 2018 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Enrique Massot

    @Skull

    Oh yeah. The demonstrations must be organized, probably by an evil organization named PT (Workers' Party). Oh the horror!

    Let's remember that the first step of this methodical coup d'etat was to oust Dilma Rousseff, which accomplished the feat of pushing aside the PT as well. The second step was to prevent the candidate with most vote intention from participating in the October election.

    The Latin American elites have discovered that, instead of shooting, kidnapping, torturing and imprisoning they can use judges and friendly media to destroy the reputation of bothersome activists before throwing them in jail.

    Years go by, but the goal remains the same. Keep the poor head down at their place, and good businesses in friendly hands.

    Apr 14th, 2018 - 02:53 am - Link - Report abuse -3
  • :o))

    Bloomberg: “Jailed Lula Could Still Campaign for President in Brazil”:
    REF:
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-12/jailed-lula-could-still-campaign-for-president-in-brazil?utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&cmpid%3D=socialflow-twitter-tictoc&utm_content=tictoc

    The rest of the crooks need the votes from the PT-Masses. The only way they can do it is by replacing the Old Crooks with the New Crooks.

    Apr 14th, 2018 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Jack Bauer

    @EM
    That's right Reekie Lulla Massot, like a true 'petista'. Wouldn't expect anything less from you. You and the PT politicians, just a bunch of pussies.

    Just fyi info Enrique Lulla Massot, your 700 'peaceful' demonstrators are members of the criminalized social movement known as MST [(people who are supposed to want farmland to work, but don't work it after getting it - preferring to be professional political agitators (Lula's 'red' army which blocks highways with burning tyres, invades public buildings - destroying what they can)], which used to be financed by the PT governments, now only by the leftist unions and the PT. If you don't agree, then given the fact that none of them have jobs, WHO pays for their meals and the buses ? Father Christmas ???

    Your idea of democracy has absolutely nothing democratic about it....because if you believe the MST actions are representative of a democracy, you are nuts. These MST bums, are transported around the country by hired buses, following Lula - usually in 40 or 50 busloads at a time - because the locals have lost interest in Brazil's biggest crook.

    What's more, how would YOU like 700 smelly, noisy, violent demonstrartors sitting on your front lawn ? Yes, because they are in front of the Federal Police's HQ in Curitiba, in a residential neighbourhood, showing total disregard for its residents....crapping and pissing on the street, stealing from anyone who ventures too close to them....yeah, I'd say it's time to get the tear gas and rubber bullets out. Then the water hoses, to clean up their mess. Boo-hoo, sniff, sniff ..

    @DT
    Not likely. While I respect Moro, I have enough self-esteem to not be influenced so easily. That kind of thing is only done by emotionally disturbed idiots.

    Apr 14th, 2018 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    @JB
    How do you know all this, have you been to Curitiba?

    If the protesters aren't violent, the police definitely shouldn't be using tear gas and rubber bullets to remove them. People have a right to protest, you've even done it yourself. If the protesters are causing problems for people living nearby, they can just move Lula somewhere else, away from residential neighbourhoods, and the protesters will go with him.

    Apr 14th, 2018 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    ................ ***“Emotionally disturbed idiots”***.. .as those that adopt..., as nome de plume..., the identity of the assassin of ~309 persons...;-)
    http://24.wikia.com/wiki/On-screen_kills_by_Jack_Bauer

    Apr 14th, 2018 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Jack Bauer

    @DT
    Not recently, but used to visit CBA quite often. Besides, newsreels show Enreekie Lula Massot's peaceful demonstrators spread all over the area in front of the Fed Police HQ, blocking the entrances to residential buildings. Well, if you consider stealing cellphones and intimidating residents, the right to protest, then I suppose they must be peaceful.
    One thing is to protest in an orderly fashion, respecting the law, public and private property, another is to occupy the street for days, turning into a danger zone and a pigsty. Looks a lot like the 'cracolândia' in the centre of São Paulo, with about 400 drugged zombies walking around in rags and bothering people.
    Anyway, the police have done no such thing, it's the residents who would like them to. That's why the Federal Police have requested that Lula be transferred to Army HQ in Brasilia. I doubt the army would tolerate a bunch of morons squatting in front of their regional command, but let them try.

    Seems that Stink the Chimp, with his new monkey icon, is quite familiar with the agent's on-screen kills.....good for him. If Stink thinks a 'nome de plume' proves anything - is he perhaps adopting Terence Lulla Hill's tactics ? - he should have a good look at his own, first.

    Apr 14th, 2018 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • :o))

    JB:

    REF: MST

    Can't say that you are wrong! :o))

    As far as the advocates representing the crooks are concerned; The Highly Paid Advocates are smarter, far more experienced & better educated than the “Politically Affiliated & Appointed” Judges. Hence, such advocates being the elite of the elites - as a gesture of respecting them - some loopholes could be NAMED after them!

    Apr 15th, 2018 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    Chuckle..., chuckle...

    A nice bunch of members of the Brasilian MST has just taking residence in the (iN)famous Guarujá triplex...
    The one Lula is doing time for...
    The guests sag that if it is Lula's... they are surely welcome...
    And if its not..., well..., then some judges must explain somethings... ;-)

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l9v8T__tI7k

    Grande..., MST...!

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @Stink
    The (IN)famous “triprekis” which was reserved for Lula, is officially in OAS's name, and will be auctioned off in the near future, the proceeds of which will revert to PB.
    Nice to know that you are able to identify yourself with those smelly MSTS (not MST) protesters...Wish I could send a few of them down to Chubut, to invade YOUR home...and before getting the cops to kick them out, you could always offer them a cuppa.

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    Nice to know so many of the MTST protesters are rich enough to afford smartphones...

    @JB
    I looked up 'cracolândia' - can't believe it has managed to survive so long right in the centre of the city.

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Nice NeoCon comment..., laddie...
    And the blackies can afford shoes too..., those Champagne Socialistas...
    Your interaction with the Jack Bauer type of turnips in here is bearing fruit..., I think...

    Apr 16th, 2018 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • :o))

    @THINK:

    REF: ”A nice bunch of members of the Brasilian MST has just taken residence in the (IN)famous Guarujá triplex”:

    Lulla must have given them the permission to occupy the triplex till he returns from the prison in a few days.

    Apr 17th, 2018 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    I couldn't always afford one, Think. I expect if I'd been squatting instead of paying rent and saving for a deposit, I could have bought one much earlier.

    Are those people really homeless workers, or just protesting on behalf of homeless workers?

    Apr 17th, 2018 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @Stink

    Suggest you avoid commenting on what you don't know...you've been reading too many Terence Lula Hill novels. But tell me Stink, since you believe you can accurately describe other people's political preferences, where do you see yourself on the political spectrum ?

    @DT
    “Cracolandia” is an absolute disgrace....São Paulo, which is the largest city in Latin America, can't seem to get rid of a colony of 400 drugged zombies roaming the streets in the downtown area.

    Every mayor promises he'll clean it up...a few ineffective attempts and that's it. The first mayor who actually attacked the problem head on, was Doria, even managing to convince the councilmen to vote laws that would permit it ; he was making headway until a group of human right activists and lawyers, with nothing better to do, decided to block his attempts...while they sit in their offices telling the Municipality what it can't do, the area's shopowners and residents alike, are fed up to their back teeth ; their commercial establishments are constantly invaded and robbed, and residents assaulted.

    On the other hand, the 'methods' advocated by the HR activists have produced zero results, as they believe that the addicts cannot be forced to accept rehabilitation ..when a social worker approaches them, they find themselves talking to a crack pipe.

    The MTST is just another social movement similar to the MST, in that they are financed by and (usually) act upon orders from the PT, with the sole objective of disrupting law and order. Initially their demands were acceptable - just wanting a roof over their heads - but gradually they saw the movement could be used politically and took advantage of it. Same thing with the MST, what they do today has nothing to do with what they originally set out to do. Quite a few of them are NOT homeless, and don't see them as workers either...if they were, why aren't they working instead of causing trouble ?

    Apr 17th, 2018 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • :o))

    @DT

    REF: “Are those people really homeless workers”:

    Assuming that you are NOT “daft”; they are nither a group of “WORKERS” nor are they “HOMELESS”.

    The MST is just a bunch of crooks. THAT being the EULOGY, pl. do NOT take it as a personal insult.

    Their LEADERS, by “PRETENDING” to be ignorant & brainwashed, the members are thoroughly “used” - exploited - for the benefits of the crooked candidates + the concerned parties! So what's wrong with THAT? REF:
    http://www.paraiba.com.br/static/images/noticias/normal/1303769016496-pt-charge.jpg

    Apr 17th, 2018 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Tell me Mr. DemonTree..., boy...

    How many days do you Think you would need to squatt to be able to pay them £49 quid..., an
    Vodafone E8 or an Alcatel Pixi 4 would set you back in Engeland...?

    Similar new models from Huawei, et al..., are even dirt cheaper i Brasil...
    And don't get me started about their alternative smuggled from Paraguay prices...

    Apr 17th, 2018 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • DemonTree

    @JB
    The article I read said many previous mayors had tried to crack down on it but it always came back. It also said the local government keeps yo-yoing between trying to help the addicts and cracking down as administrations change, and they need to pick one and stick to it.

    From everything I have heard, it's true that you can't force addicts to quit if they don't want to, but there are probably a lot who would like to and can't. They interviewed some for the story and they said they liked the sense of community in Cracolandia!

    Is it so hard to get housing in Brazil? Let me guess; the government arranged to build some houses and the money has mysteriously disappeared without much to show for it?

    The people in the video look like students to me, but that might be because of who I have seen at protests in this country.

    @Think
    About a week back then, but that was in the days when a £30 (or more) a month contract was the only option. I guess things are different now.

    Actually I'm curious. I'd assume things from Paraguay are cheaper because they are fakes, but it seems unlikely they'd be able to manufacture smartphones cheaper than China. So how are the prices lower?

    Apr 17th, 2018 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Simples... No fakes...

    Brasil and Argentina apply an import tax on smartphones of about 10-15%...
    Brasil and Argentina apply VAT on smartphones of about 20-25%...
    Brasil and Argentina legal importers must..., at least..., mark up an extra 15-25% for flashy salespoins, advertising, sevice and guarantee...

    Paragayan ”importers have 0 import tax..., 0 VAT..., 0 flashy salespoins.., 0 advertising..., 0 sevice and 0 guarantee...

    But they pay some pesos to an indian to cross a river with 100 samsungs on his back...

    Apr 17th, 2018 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • DemonTree

    I see. Evidently Mercosur does not have a customs union. The only thing that doesn't make sense is why VAT is so high, or is that only for electronics?

    Apr 17th, 2018 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Scandinavian VAT IS 25%
    Engrish VAT is 20%
    German is 19%

    We copy the best...;-)

    Apr 17th, 2018 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • DemonTree

    You copy the Tory's austerity policies? They raised it from 17.5% to 20% in 2011.

    Apr 17th, 2018 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @DT:

    REF: “Mercosur does not have a customs union”: Who NEEDs a “customs union” when a cartel of the crooks can do a BETTER - more efficient - job?
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-06qgRfRCRMI/VynlObb93yI/AAAAAAAAJbI/kBUVBdyjXfkG0iwnf1CinDg5_1RfYCFiACLcB/s1600/genildo.jpg

    Apr 18th, 2018 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Jack Bauer

    @DT

    It‘s amazing how a city like SP has to be hostage to a bunch of addicts…you’d think the various groups would work to find common ground instead of waiting for someone to suggest a solution, put it into practice, to then shoot it down….but that’s Brazil….too many obscure interests at stake ; there are the drug dealers (probably buying off politicians and the police, the first to oppose any effort in the right direction and the second to turn a blind eye to their activities), the HR activists who would think in utopian terms and would rather see the addicts taken to 5-star hotels than allow someone the authority to force them to accept treatment.
    The notion that they should be allowed to roam the streets, completely drugged, crapping/pissing on the sidewalks, assaulting pedestrians, is absurd. No solution ever works because those who contribute the least, complain the most, and while this ‘fight’ carries on, the area’s residents are ignored. No drug addict, while under the influence, believes he has a problem…

    On the one hand, the government popular housing projects (Federal / State) are insufficient to attend demand ; on the other, the whole thing is so politicized that people (MTST and other movements) will invade almost-finished projects, ignoring the rights of those who were properly registered and waited in line for (perhaps) years. Before being kicked out by the police, the squatters make a point of stealing and breaking everything they can…and no one’s held responsible.
    Plus the fact that the construction of the houses under by Dilma’s government “minha casa , minha vida” (my house , my life) was so shoddy, that soon after being occupied, or even before, they need to be reformed. The project specifies a certain standard, but cheaper materials are used…No one cares. Reason : corruption.

    “The people in the video look like students to me...” what video are you referring to ?

    Apr 19th, 2018 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    “you’d think the various groups would work to find common ground”

    You would think so. It's amazing it's persisted so long. I suppose any solution costs money; putting them in jail is surely cheaper than a 5 star hotel, but still more expensive than a crappy one. And how can you pay to house them when there isn't enough decent housing for the people who do work?

    What seems strange to me is that the PT was in power for 13 years, why would they put up with the MTST invading and messing up their own projects? And did the MTST and the other movements support the PT or not? Apparently they didn't think the PT was doing enough, if they carried on protesting and occupying buildings.

    It's surprising their aren't more buildings collapsing in Brazil if construction is so shoddy. Or are there and we just don't hear about them in the UK?

    And I was referring to the video Think linked somewhere above, showing protesters occupying 'Lula's' triplex.

    Apr 19th, 2018 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @DT
    There are dedicated centres for rehabilitation, and that is where the last Mayor( before leaving to run for governor in Oct) was sending them. there aren't enough of them, but the social workers were approaching a few addicts per day, while equipping new facilities...but then the HR acivists butted in, saying that the addicts had the right to not be treated (?) and that the rehabilitation centres weren't adequate (??) ...that's why I mentioned 5-star hotels. Really fantastic contribution to society (seems they just want to justify their existence, regardless if going against the grain).

    The MST and the MTST were funded by Lula and Dilma (last figure I remember, something to the order of R$ 25 mil per year....so they DID have a certain amount of leverage over them. Leaders of both movements are radicals, who believe that confrontation and violence are better than serious negotiation. They want to appear as looking after their followers interests, no matter what. But since SP (State & municipality wer governed by the PSDB (PT's traditional enemies), Lula /Dilma had no problem with causing trouble here.

    While Brazil 'may' have more than their fair share of bad construction, (I really don't know), a few buildings (not really big ones) collapsed because people decided they would undertake reforms without the necessary authorization or supervision.

    The MTST occupiers of Lula's ex-'triprekis', were just a bunch of probably unemployed bums, of various ages - but these protesters learn soon in life that it's easier to protest than to work and to do something for themselves. Apparently, according to residents, they damaged quite a few things, but of course they will not have to pay to have them fixed.

    Apr 19th, 2018 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Weird. You'd think having the addicts in treatment centres would be better than them being on the street, even if they are not great. There must be more to it than that. I wish someone who agrees with their ideas was posting here, so we could find out what they are thinking.

    ”But since SP (State & municipality wer governed by the PSDB (PT's traditional enemies), Lula /Dilma had no problem with causing trouble here.”

    Ah, I see. We have similar things happen in the UK sometimes where the national government will favour the local councils that are governed by their own political party. Not a great way to behave.

    Luckily we don't have such protest groups, although there is an chronic shortage of housing in the UK no one has to live in the sort of conditions that happen in the favelas in Brazil. Is SP the most conservative part of Brazil? Somewhere I saw a comic map of the states and SP wanted to build a wall to keep out immigrants from the NE. ;) The only other one I remember was Acre which was blank except for a big question mark, apparently no one ever hears about it and the joke is that it doesn't really exist(?)

    RE buildings, I haven't heard of anything like this happening in Brazil:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwQS8xnaPe4

    so the standards can't be *that* terrible. People screwing up rebuilding work could happen anywhere.

    Apr 20th, 2018 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    NOBODY wants to accept/admit that SP is on its way to being the 2nd/Next “RJ”. And soon the other states WILL follow suit! Believe it or NOT!

    Apr 21st, 2018 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @DT
    SP more conservative ? Depends on the characteristics you associate with 'conservative'.
    In the traditional sense, PR, SC & RS (3 southern states) are more conservative, being populated mainly by descendants of European immigrants (arrived 19th century/early 20th). The NE, because of strong cultural traits (prone to solve all disputes through violence), might also be considered conservative, but more towards 'negatively'.

    Don't know why Acre would be depicted like that. In the 60s, SP was not too pleased with the NE 'invasion', and the 3 a/m states, actually adopted controversial measures to keep them out - the highway police would stop and force busloads of immigrants to turn back, unless they could prove they had a job waiting for them and a place to live. The cold is another factor that probably contributed to keeping them out.

    Looks like Brazil's average (collapsed buildings) isn’t too bad, but far worse if compared to the 1st world.

    Apr 21st, 2018 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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