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Italy rejects Brussels plan to pay Euro 6.000 for each migrant saved at sea

Wednesday, July 25th 2018 - 06:06 UTC
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“We don't want money, we want dignity”, was the reply of Italian Minister of Interior Matteo Salvini to the European Commission proposal for EU member states be paid 6,000 Euro to accept and deal with each migrant saved at sea in the Mediterranean as they attempt to reach the European Union. Read full article

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  • DemonTree

    There's something to be said for the argument that less people would have died if they had never started saving them at sea.

    Jul 25th, 2018 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    Look at what worked for the Australians, anyone arriving there went to a camp in the Pacific until their case was decided. No boats now try and get to Aus and nobody is drowning.

    Jul 25th, 2018 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    It's difficult to understand where the European Commission gets its ideas from. At a basic level, who thought it was a good idea to offer €6,000 of countries' own money to persuade them to take in illegal migrants. Unless anyone wants to argue, I see no reason to doubt Signor Salvini's estimate of €50,000 per migrant. So the receiving country will be €44,000 out of pocket for every individual. “Pull” factor, anyone? However, to save on all the bureaucracy, here's an excellent idea. Start by erecting a 15-metre high electrified razor wire fence around central Brussels to form a 50-kilometre diameter enclosure. Provide trains from the EU borders to stations within the Brussels “ring”. Immediately transport all illegal migrants from the EU borders to the Brussels “ring” in sealed trains. Surround the Brussels “ring” with Greek, Hungarian, Italian and Polish police transferred from their national forces and paid “expenses” at the same rate as that claimed by eurocrats. Of course, the eurocrats will have to go without. But they will have to stay within the Brussels “ring”.

    Jul 25th, 2018 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    They don’t even have to claim expenses, they are paid them automatically.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/parliaments-rejection-of-expense-scrutiny-sparks-outrage/

    “The expense payments of €4,416 per month are given to MEPs as a lump sum in addition to their regular pre-tax monthly salary of €8,611.”

    Jul 25th, 2018 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Olá Conqueror.

    Jul 25th, 2018 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @Pugol-H
    No, what Australia did was cruel, not to mention illegal. Trump could only dream of having such a policy.

    Jul 26th, 2018 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    But nobody is drowning anymore, unlike the Med where people are drowning in the hundreds.

    It must be a great consolation for them as the boat goes down with the sharks circling and no rescue in sight, “if we had made it, we wouldn’t have been cruelly treated and sent somewhere safe”.

    The only way you will stop people taking to the water is when they know that even if they make it, they will be sent somewhere else and still be no further forward.

    But at least they will be alive.

    As for Trump, that is what he is counting on, build his wall and loads of little boats will try the sea crossing up the Pacific coast and across the Gulf of Mexico.

    Where they can be lost out of sight of Cameras.

    Jul 26th, 2018 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Considering they all chose to get on that boat, they obviously do think it worth the risk; that is kind of the problem. (And Papua New Guinea is far from safe for refugees.)

    But those aren't the only options. Why not build processing centres in Africa, ship over the genuine refugees in safety and send the rest home? It would much reduce the incentive for false claims if they didn't get to come to Europe until it was proved.

    As for Trump, I can't see what happening. Even if the wall ever gets built, it's unlikely to be guarded so well that taking to boats becomes a better option. And there are a lot of cameras in America.

    Jul 26th, 2018 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    Firstly African countries would want a lot of money for that which simply adds to the smugglers business model and secondly unless you deported everyone picked up in the Med or that made it to Europe to those camps (which is basically what the Aussies did), then they would have no effect whatsoever.

    Willing to bet you’re a lot safer in a camp in Papua New Guinea than in Libya.

    I agree Trump probably never will build his wall, would have to employ a lot of Mexicans if he did.

    But if he did, The Pacific and The Gulf of Mexico, just out of sight of land, would look like the Med now.

    Jul 26th, 2018 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Yeah, Libya is a mess, which is probably why they haven't tried a similar plan as with Turkey. And yes, the plan would be to send everyone picked up in the Med back to Libya, which is probably impossible in it's current state. I don't see how giving money to North African countries to look after the migrants would help the smugglers, though.

    D'you think Mexico would agree to build a wall on their own southern border if America paid them for it? It's significantly shorter, and I can't imagine they welcome migrants, either.

    Jul 26th, 2018 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    Paying countries to accept migrants simply adds to the value of migrants, Governments can then make good money out of such deals which then rely upon a steady supply of migrants to be shipped back, for them to get paid.

    No incentive to stop the smugglers in the country as they are producing the income for the Government of the country.

    Mexico may well end up putting its own wall on its southern border, no good to Trump however he wants a wall to keep Mexicans out, not to wall them in.

    Jul 27th, 2018 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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