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Saudi Arabia admits Khashoggi was killed at the kingdom's consulate in Istanbul

Saturday, October 20th 2018 - 07:00 UTC
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Saudi Arabia’s King Salman removed a key royal adviser and a senior intelligence official as the public prosecutor said an initial probe showed that journalist and government critic Jamal Khashoggi was killed at the kingdom’s consulate in Istanbul. Read full article

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  • chronic

    Saud is just a client.

    Oct 20th, 2018 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Hah, they're the 'ally' who stab you in the back and you can't do shit because they've got you by the balls.

    Oct 21st, 2018 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Please spare us here about the moralizing b.s. about how Trump has pioneered a new USA policy of cozying up to dictators without concerns about their human rights abuses. World foreign policy in general has been exactly this for decades: Trump is just more blunt about it.

    Oct 21st, 2018 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    I didn't even mention Trump, but hey, if you insist. ;)

    The US has been cozying up to dictators for decades, including your beloved Pinochet, and training them in better abusing human rights, or more accurately, in torturing and murdering humans. And they've been letting Saudi Arabia literally get away with murder for decades too, because they need their oil and they need them as allies in the Middle East.

    Remember how the Republicans used to complain Obama was being too friendly with US enemies and ignoring allies like the EU? Makes me all nostalgic thinking of it now.

    Oct 22nd, 2018 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    We participated in Bush's and BLiars 'rednecks revenge' in the Middle East and that turned the whole region into a cauldron resulting in the deaths and displacement of millions and the radicalisation of millions more. Sometimes leaving despots well alone is the least bad option that preserves peace. Pinochet is a good example. By all means verbally condemn them, do sanctions, but military intervention, particularly into another culture is a big no no.

    Oct 22nd, 2018 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    You know I agree with you about the Middle East, and I've no objection to leaving Pinochet alone and not stirring up trouble. What I object to was the US interference in Latin America, helping Pinochet and the other dictators into power in the first place, and supporting them in staying there.

    I presume you think the same about Maduro now? Verbally condemn, sanctions maybe, but no military intervention?

    Oct 22nd, 2018 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Maduro will get his cumuppance eventually from the people of Venezuala. There is no case to intervene militarily or pile pressure on through sanctions which hurt the folk already hurting. As far as I know Maduro is not corrupt, he is just a really stupid Socialist blindly supported by loonies like Rique.

    Oct 22nd, 2018 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    You seem to have missed my point. This is 2018, not 1973. The USA, most of Europe, Japan... All turn an eye away from human rights abuses when it occurs contrary to their own political as well to their economic agendas. Personally, I sincerely find it barbaric what happened, but compared to what China alone is doing to its people? I don't see anyone actually threatening to cut relations with China... Human rights sanctions normally result in smoke and mirrors... Occasionally, such as the case of France canceling the sale of ships to Russia actually take place, but in general it's mostly talk.

    Voice: “Maduro corrupt?” I've been fortunate to develop two new good friends residing in my neighborhood that are both from Venezuela. They abandoned their formerly successful business there and relocated to Chile with their families to start over again. The stories of wide scale corruption they relate to me are incredible. Far worse than the news.

    Oct 22nd, 2018 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Chicureo, I have no doubt tbat theres a lot of corruption in Vz, its the ideal environment for it. But no one has pointed a finger at Maduro that I have seen? Perhaps people would be afraid to do that?

    You are right about us all turning our gaze away from human rights. But, theres my point about useless causes and the least worst options…

    Oct 22nd, 2018 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    My Venezuelan neighbors here tell me that as long as the military command strongly supports the President, no real change in the political situation will change.
    They tell me that Maduro will fight to the bitter end and a military intervention would be a disaster. If you understand Spanish, google “dolartoday” to read about the president's corruption.

    ¡Saludos - Cheers!

    Oct 22nd, 2018 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @TV
    I agree about Venezuela, and Maduro's notable incompetence - AFAIR Eastern Europe, although poor, did not suffer such disastrous economic collapse until the collapse of communism. But his associates are clearly corrupt, even if Maduro isn't.

    @Chicureo
    “You seem to have missed my point. This is 2018, not 1973.”

    Did you have one? You started by arguing against an opinion no one advanced, and now you seem to be contradicting yourself. If foreign policy hasn't changed for decades then what does it matter if it's 2018 or 1973?

    Oct 22nd, 2018 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    Your observation regarding my post is valid and therefore I admit my error.

    ¡Saludos!

    Oct 22nd, 2018 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • The Voice

    Chicureo, I was in China in 1984 just after it opened up and again in 2012. Superficially things have improved but its a police state, highly controlled. My daughters band ws there a few weeks ago. Before you can can get a visa to perform there you have to submit all your lyrics. Potentially its a powder keg but the government has found a way to improve peoples lives albeit at the expense of freedom of opinion and speech. What is most important. We should resist interferring. Latin American politics - 33 revolutions per minute!

    Oct 22nd, 2018 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @Chicureo
    I wasn't expecting you to say that!

    @Both
    How hard is it to cross the border in Patagonia? I'd like to visit Chile for a couple of days while I'm on holiday in Argentina.

    Oct 22nd, 2018 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    How to take the wind out of someone's sails in one simple sentence...
    Quite funny...;-)

    Oct 22nd, 2018 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Yes... maybe you should try it with Terry. ;)

    Oct 23rd, 2018 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Probably Carmenere…..

    Oct 23rd, 2018 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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