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Argentine President visits first Hercules completely remodeled in the country
President Mauricio Macri visited the El Palomar Air Base, to inspect the first Hercules C-130 aircraft to undergo a modernisation process entirely in the country. During his tour of the base, Macri spoke with Air Force aviators who operate these aircraft in humanitarian missions worldwide. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“completely remodeled in the country.”
Jun 14th, 2017 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse +3How typically misleading. How very argentine.
Lockheed Martin developed the upgrade kits and invited the argentines to observe how to do the upgrades, at the LM facility in the US. Then LM sent their personnel and the upgrade components to Argentina so that they could crow like a bunch of banty roosters that the upgrades had been done in Argentina.
Lockheed Martin had an authorized C-130 Hercules Service Center in Córdoba, Argentina. Lockheed Martin Aircraft Argentina (LMAASA) operated until the Kirchner years to repair Argentine and other C130 aircraft in South America. Kirchnerism of course couldn't support such an operation and couldn't or wouldn't pay the associated bills, so Lockheed Martin negotiated an exit, at which time the Argentine C130 aircraft fell into disrepair, something that jeopardised Argentina's supply to its bases located in British Antarctica. With the advent of the Macri government, the Argentine relationship with Lockheed Martin was restored and the C130s are now receiving life-extending upgrades.
@Marti Llazo
Jun 14th, 2017 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Argentine Aircraft FADEA Factory is located in Cordoba, Argentina. So, this C-130 was up graded there (in argentine territory)...as a result it really was “completely remodeled in the country”......I'm sorry keep trying !!!!
pgerman
Jun 14th, 2017 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +2The article from which the MP piece was taken was a propaganda note for domestic consumption, intended to convince the peasants that FADEA has suddenly achieved some degree of aerospace competence.
“Where” an upgrade is done is significantly less important than “how” it is done. The how is that all the critical components were supplied through Lockheed Martin, which also hand-held the argentines in the US to show them how to install the new items, and then Lockheed Martin sent their technicians and management to Córdoba to supervise the work. The “argentine” component in this upgrade work is insignificant.
This is the sort of propaganda we expect from North Korea.
Throughout the Kirchner years, FADEA was little more than a money sponge, providing millions for La Cámpora, and producing essentially “nothing that could fly.”
Decime qué se siente.....
http://www.infobae.com/2016/03/17/1798002-fadea-la-fabrica-clientes-pero-un-deficit-millonario-que-dirigia-la-campora/
What?!? new covers for ALL the seats? or did they wash the floor?
Jun 14th, 2017 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse +2@Marti Llazo
Jun 14th, 2017 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse -4I am Engineer so I know perfectly well, and better than you, the origin of the C-130, the origin of the spare parts and the up grading.
I also hate peronists for being fascists and corrupt (they were politically close to, and even awarded, to Augusto Pinochet). So you don't have to tell me the way they ruined FADEA.
I'm sorry to tell you, agan, that this C-130 was “completely remodeled in the country”....keep trying....
I am sorry to you,that this C-130 was “ completely renovated in the country ” is the correct wording, and not re-modelled. I take it that renovated was lost in translation.
Jun 14th, 2017 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Sorry pgerman, I used to work for Lockheed Martin as an engineer. I flew a lot of places in the C-130H models. I started traveling by C-130 in the military in 1970. The use of the terms “remodeled” or “renovated” in this context are incorrect. The term used in the contractual materials is “upgrade.” The few knowledgeable argie engineers at FAMEA also use the expression “upgrade” even when speaking argento. It's easier to say than “actualización.” The term that the Argie Air Force uses formally is “actualización.” As in “actualización de aviónica.” “Modernization” and its espanish cognate are used in press releases and sometimes interchangeably with “actualización.” If you review the agreements between the parties you will find the definitions of the terms. Observe:
Jun 14th, 2017 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse +3”The Government of Argentina has requested a possible purchase of commercial-off-the-shelf avionics upgrade of five (5) C-130H aircraft that includes minor Class IV modifications, ground handling equipment, repair and return, spare and repair parts, support equipment, publications and technical documentation, tools and test equipment, personnel training and training equipment, programmed depot maintenance, U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical, and logistics support services, and other related elements of program support. The estimated cost is $166 million. “
”La firma elegida para la actualización de los sistemas fue la empresa L-3 Aerospace Systems [partner of Lockheed Martin] que mediante un contrato a través del sistema FMS (Foreign Military Sales) de 75 millones de dólares entrega a la institución castrense un avión completamente actualizado, más la provisión de los kits completos de modernización para las restantes maquinas, un simulador de procedimientos, toda la documentación y manuales, más el adiestramiento de varias tripulaciones, además del entrenamiento de especialistas y mecánicos para el vital mantenimiento de estos aviones.”
Slap in Martillazo's face! German one, Marti zero.
Jun 14th, 2017 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Didn't read it, did you, reekie? Not that you're capable of understanding such things.
Jun 14th, 2017 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse +3@pgerman I am also an aircraft engineer, the correct terminology is 4th line upgrade, the aircraft has been refurbished and retrofitted with modern avionics and re wired to extend its life. So long as the airframe is free from corrosion and within stress parameters it will be fine. Its important for Argentina because they cannot afford to replace their current fleet of C130s(4) and they will take any win however small and make much of it.
Jun 15th, 2017 - 03:54 am - Link - Report abuse +1I confess I am not an engineer. However, I recognize arrogance and discrimination when I see it.
Jun 15th, 2017 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse -2The poster nicknamed Marti Llazo (who does not hammer much) does not miss any opportunity to bash Argentines--even if he professes unreserved admiration for current president Mauricio Macri.
Reekie reveals once again that he still has nothing to contribute to the subject matter, nor can even begin to comprehend what is being discussed.
Jun 15th, 2017 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +2A lot of engineers on here ...amazing...
Jun 15th, 2017 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is that like Heating engineer (plumber) Electrical engineer (sparky) or Waste disposal engineer (Bin man)...?
Unsurprisingly, Voicey would not be permitted in the same room as the aerospace engineers.
Jun 16th, 2017 - 12:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Voicey is in the same room as Enrique.
Jun 16th, 2017 - 03:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Unsurprisingly.
Unsurprisingly that room is well padded.
Jun 16th, 2017 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Aerospace engineer....is that like a small space engineer...(chimney sweep)...:-)
Jun 16th, 2017 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Yeah...
Jun 16th, 2017 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Thanks for playing, Voicey
Interestingly, according to Santiago Rivas in Wings of the Malvinas, TC-61 is a very old bird indeed having been taken on charge by Argentina in 1968 as a C-130E then upgraded to C-130H. Now upgraded again...
Jun 17th, 2017 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Not re-modelled?
Jun 18th, 2017 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It appears as though the argie attempt to buy the obsolete Super Etendards has fallen on, ummm, difficulties.
Jun 19th, 2017 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Golfcronie
Jun 20th, 2017 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just re-checked and Rivas definitely says 'upgraded' not 're-modelled'.
kind regards
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