Mrs. Kirchner approach to Malvinas issue infuriates Jewish community
Argentine president Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner strong lobbying for support from the Arab League in its dispute with Britain over the Falkland Islands is proving to be a short lived pyrrhic victory since she involved Argentina in the Palestine question and infuriated the Jewish community.
In the joint statement from the II South America/Arab countries leaders’ summit (ASPA) in Qatar, Argentina managed a few lines of support for its sovereignty claim over the Falklands. But in her speech to the conference Mrs. Kirchner argued that countries with strong economic power do not abide United Nations resolutions and went on to emulate, from that angle, the Palestine question and the Falklands/Malvinas conflict.
Basically that the UN resolutions on the two issues have been or remain ignored by the “powerful”.
From Doha and before leaving for the G-20 summit in London, Mrs. Kirchner called for the “re-creation of a global multilateral, multi-polar order”
“The UK has an inadmissible colonial enclave in the XXI century in our Malvinas islands, and must abide by the United Nations resolution”, she said underlining that the resolution calls for the “resumption of sovereignty talks on the Islands”.
Following on the argument Mrs. Kirchner strongly criticized “the unfulfilled UN resolution regarding the recognition of a Palestine state and the Middle East conflict” when the UN has recognized the right of the Palestinian people to have their own state.
Finally she thanked “deep from the heart” all leaders present at Qatar for the inclusion of the Malvinas question in the Doha Declaration.
Mrs. Kirchner’s statements as reported by the Argentine press triggered an immediate barrage of reactions from the local Jewish community and Israeli officials from the embassy in Buenos Aires.
“The remarks by the President do not pertain and surprise us”, said Iftai Curiel said the Culture attaché of the Israeli embassy in Buenos Aires who added with a degree of irony: “it is clear to me now that (according to the Doha summit) Israel is to blame for all the Arabs problems. What I did not know was we reached as far as Malvinas”.
Aldo Donzis president of one of the most influential Argentine Jewish community organizations said he felt “it was a terrible confusion to match such different situations: comparing a colonial situation such as the British in Malvinas with Israel that does not occupy an inch of Palestine territory, in Gaza or in the West Bank”.
Furthermore the Jewish community leader marked “differences between the people of Israel which agrees to the creation of a Palestine state, and the Islanders who with to be British”.
“Israel and the people of Israel want a Palestine state, and that has nothing to do with colonialism or occupation”, insisted Mr. Donzis.
Carlos Frauman from the Argentine Zionist Organization indicated there’s no way the two issues can be compared and “the (Argentine) president was wrong on comparing a colonial enclave with a state like Israel recognized by the UN”.
Sergio Widder from the local branch of the Simon Wiesenthal centre said that it must be remembered that “in 1948 as currently Israel accepts the existence of a Palestine state and who boycotted the creation of the Palestine state are the Hamas terrorists”.
Apparently in private comments were even harsher, “it’s like comparing apples with pears; who’s advising the President on these issues?”
Argentine Foreign Affairs minister Jorge Taiana said he was most satisfied with the South American/Arab League summit support for Argentina’s Malvinas sovereignty claim and praised the intervention of Mrs. Kirchner at the conference.
However he admitted “we are not naïve on addressing the issue, but sincere when we support the objective of two states for two peoples, living in peace and in secure conditions”.
He insisted that only “multilateralism” could solve the conflict and called for “Israel and Palestine to find a joint path in the framework of the principles recognized by the Security Council, the UN General Assembly and the Madrid agreements or the Arab peace initiative”.
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However islanders would not accept two states in the islands.
Begining with the tittle “Argentina mourns Alfonsin more revered in death than in life” its a disrespect for a man who was honored in life, but the hate of the people who make this cheap webpage where every article regarding Argentina is writed with hate, with biased comments, while when they write about chile or the uk they praise them as the best nations of the world, what kind of asshole lose time on lobbying for the “falklands cause” .
There are no Angels or deamons, Argentina with all their problems only want progress as any other nation. Like the uk has its problems, they are still looking for weapons of mass destruction on iraq (a former sovereign nation).
Anyway you keep filling your mouse talking that we invaded malvinas, witch is our land, while the uk invaded iraq ( a sovereign nation) looking for weapons wich they never found with all the tecnology for warcrap british has, so why invaded a sovereign nation??? to destitute a dictator the us created in the past? why the uk expelled the inhabitants of Diego Garcia????? must we think they have not the same rights as the uk give to islanders in malvinas? . why the uk welcomed pinochet recently as an ally and was not extraditated to spain to be juged for crimes against humanity?.
Those kind of articles should “investigate” this webpage instead of degrading or lobbying against Argentina.
I dare who ever read this crap of webpage to response any of this questions. Shame on you Mercopress.
The point is we landed on malvinas with military force and it was wrong we had to give diplomacy the time it needed, but british invaded Iraq with false proof, invaded an ENTIRE NATION.
So tell me Benito in what part im wrong. Tell me if im lying. I write this with no bad intentions, but thats how world works, we are third world who invades, and they are the “liberators”, defenders of “freedom” and “democracy”.
Im not going to defend a military junta, but our soldiers went there to recover our islands, the british went to iraq for what?, i dont know, i only knows that there is no iraqui corporation extracting its oil.
that's the respect british and us citizens give for iraq's people. And about democracy, let me quote what the president of the United State told to the world “ or you are with us or you are with the terrorists” very democratic.
About Israel i suported Israel and i admired them, all the suffering they have been trough, becouse they were a pacifist people, but now i dont know, they have the right to defend themself but with israel's nuclear weapons they are giving the right to iran to obtain its own nuclear weapons, its just the rules of the game. what gives the idea israel can have nuclear weapons and its neighbor cant.
Malvinas and iraq share the same faith, they both are ocupied illegally for the same foreign power.
About Israel, stop beign naive, nomatter if iran says “they're gonna wipe israel off the map” , i mean what safety have iran that israel is not going to wipe iran off the map? , its just words nobody cares about words. Rules of this world is that if you make weapons of mass destruction your neighbor will do the same. It is called an arm race. And dont misunderestand me i dont think Israel is going to use its nuclear weapons but even if israel promess not to use them iran has the right to make the same kind of weapons. I dont know how else explain that to you. Every nation has the right to defend itself we might like israel we might hate iran but its fair that iran make those weapons.
PD: all i said i did with respect to all, those silly things said like “axis of evil” or frase like “or you are with us or with the terrorist” are the kind of things that dont represent democracy,or freedom in the case of iraq, or liberty in the case of malvinas. Those are fact that your polititians in the north makes you believe. Iraq before the invasion had en embargo imposed which killed 500.000 or more children for not having medicine or food. While the sky was controled bye harriers and us aircrafts.
But in the north they fight for freedom, democracy and liberty. I know you think this is all propaganda but neither of you cant denie any of the above. The only honorable and admired thing the usa and the uk made for the world in the last century was ww2 with the end of hittler.
Argentine history is not better than yours, we do our best to improve every day, to fight against corruption and poverty, but i cant tell you that malvinas will never be forgotten. Everyone who wish to live in Argentina can have free medical care, free education, beautifull places and a bunch of 3000 people in the islands who control the density of population to be mainly of british origin to maintain the status quo will not prevail for justice.
Resuming to get the idea, every nation on earth have the same rights, nomatter what they say or what you feel they are. Police nations does not exist only its own interest like it should.
As you know from exercising these arguments in the past Argentina only had an ambition for the Falklands to part of its territory it never actually achieved that ambition in reality in any way that would be satisfactory in international law.
Saying that the UK was wrong in certain instances can in no way reinforce an argument that has an entirely different premise as its base.
About malvinas history i cant believe most of islanders or british compare malvinas invasion of 1833 with the killings of natives in Argentine continental territory. who is teaching you history???
The numbers do not actually matter, though no doubt you are accurate. It still shows that a substantial number of inhabitants are of original descent. Your argument ignores that factor.
I wonder how many Argentines were not born in Argentina or only arrived there in that large 20th century wave of immigration (mainly from Italy). Does that disqualify them from being Argentines? Not to menmtion the large number who for whatever reasoning cling to dual nationality. Should we disqualify them also?
I think you are pulling the old Argentine double speak trick here. One rule for Argentina and a different one for the rest of the world.
My ancestors were in the Falklands around 1840. Whendid yours appear in Argentina? Straight answer now.....
By the way I will be the judge of what I believe. I do not donate that task to you to generalise about under any circumstances.
Malvinas is a dispute between the uk and Argentina. British point of view is that to discuss sovereignty it should be included inhabitants of malvinas as a third party. But those inhabitants,as i made clear in my last post, does not represent a separated entity from those living in the uk.
Nomatter your economy or that paper you call “constitution”, the governor of malvinas is apointed from the uk, the migration control mantain 90% of its population of british origin, and the fact more than half its population were born elsewhere but in malvinas, make the best definition of a colony. So in the dispute of sovereignty islanders have no partie.
Of course those islanders lives in malvinas and its interest should be respected, as Argentine is willing to respect, the wishes of those inhabitants represent no more than the wishes of british living in the uk.
Argentine inmigration has nothing to do with it, Argentina accept any people of the word who wish to live here. Any inmigrant in Argentina have a right to free education, free medical care, a right to a home and a job.
I see you still maintain one rule for Argentina and a different rule for the Falklands.
You attitude is ridiculous and your facts inaccurate. The UN recognises the inhabitants of the Falklands as a separate entity over which the UK is the admnistering power with an obligation to ensure good governance in the interests of the inhabitants and to advance them in the direction of self determination. The Argentine claim is recognised as an impediment to achieving this aim and a problem that needs a peaceful solution as outlined in Resolution 2065 (XX), This did not call for a transfer of sovereignty to Argentina this interpretation is simply a figment of Argentina's imagination. What do you think the C24 is talking about? If the interests of the 'inhabitants' are to be taken into consideration it is incumbent upon all the parties to establish what those inhabtants see their interests to be. These are clearly already expressed and do not require you to patronise them in this respect by your wild imaginings as to what they should be. They are perfectly capable of deciding what their own interests are. You should stop talking to yourself and be prepared to listren to others.
You are in reality just talking complete rubbish when you say their interests should be respected. You simply lie because you do not believe this at all.
Argentina itself is an immigrant country that usurped its land from the natives, this completely exposes your double standards. Your desires to control the Falklands is just a national lie that you have convinced yourselves is the truth. I feel sorry for you in your self-deception.
By the way why do you still use the French name for the Islands, have you not got one of your own?
where did you get the idea the UN recognized the islanders of malvinas as a separated entity?
When you said ”“”“”“”The Argentine claim is recognised as an impediment to achieving this aim and a problem that needs a peaceful solution as outlined in Resolution 2065 (XX)“”“”“ Now i know you didnt went to school. Resolution 2065 invites the TWO parties,Argentina and the United Kingdom,to negotiate sovereignty bearing in mind the ”interests“ of the population of malvinas islands.
Two things, first inhabitants of malvinas are excluded from negotiation and secondly, it say bearing in mind the ”interests not its wishes” which is a very very different thing which i agree islanders live in malvinas and its interest should be respected. Read again what you wrote about resolution 2065.
Comparing malvinas with the killings of the natives again????.
Our french name for our islands are malouines, malvinas came after in spanish. If you are from the islands you should be aware of history, even if we agree on disagree, you should be on top of the history of the land you Supposedly born.
I see you have not read the said resolution.
There is only one valid invitation it says:-
”Invites the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to proceed without delay with the negotiations recommended by the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples with a view to finding a peaceful solution to the problem, bearing in mind the provisions and objectives of the Charter of the United Nations and of General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) and the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas);“
Questions for you:-
1. Where does it say 'hand over sovereignty to Argentina'?
2. Where does it say the inhabitants of the islands are specifically excluded from the negotiations?
3. Where does it specifically say what you say ”interests not its wishes“
How can you establish what the interests of the Islanders are without them expressing their wishes on the matter?
The form of words you are using are just your self-serving propaganda interpretation on the subject very much divorced from the reality of the matter.
Regarding the name of the islands that you use, it is specifically your bad pronunciation of the French name of the Islands that gives you the name Malvinas. Sadly like everything else about the Falklands it is another thing you have stolen or are trying to steal.
To answer your questions, you claim privileges for yourselves you refuse to grant to others.
The UN specifically recognises that any negotiations must be within the terms of their Charter and resolutions e.g. ” bearing in mind the provisions and objectives of the Charter of the United Nations and of General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) and the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas);” They are also listed by the C24 and de-facto are a separate entity under UK and international law.
About history I would challenge you on that subject regarding the Falklands any day.
Resolution 2065
“””Invites the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to proceed without delay with the negotiations recommended by the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples with a view to finding a peaceful solution to the problem, bearing in mind the provisions and objectives of the Charter of the United Nations and of General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) and the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas);“”“”
first part:
“”“”Invites the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to proceed without delay with the negotiations“”“” this quote means that there is only two parts on this conflict ok?. The british insist in include inhabitants of malvinas as a third partie.
Second part:
“”“”recommended by the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples“”“”“” This is the name of the special committee.links Available.Is the committee who study the situation with regard..... Argentina is not forced to give independence nor the uk.
third part:
“”“””with a view to finding a peaceful solution to the problem, bearing in mind the provisions and objectives of the Charter of the United Nations and of General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) and the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas);“”“”
So the third part means that in the solution of the dispute we shall respect human rights of inhabitants of malvinas and its interests. i remind you again the british claim that wishes of islanders are paramount. But interests and wishes are two diferent words.
Resolution does not mention wishes. Do not confuse wishes with interests, they are two different things.
interest is to preserve its way of life, its wishes is to remain being british.
Regarding the name of the islands you said “”“it is specifically your bad pronunciation of the French name of the Islands that gives you the name Malvinas. Sadly like everything else about the Falklands it is another thing you have stolen or are trying to steal”“” .Malvinas name derives from the french name of malouines like you have the name “san carlos” to name the port of “san carlos”. About Steal that word remind me even before the invasion of malvinas by your grand grand grand father they invaded Buenos Aires in two occasion and in the same time they stolen our gold remaining in Buenos Aires, so give it back. well you didnt gave back malvinas which were stolen 10 years later what can i expect?
I am glad to see you have a sense of humour.
Specifically 2065 (XX) refers to the implementation of 1514 (XV) which it insists must be born in mind as well as the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands.
So here we see that the UN recognises the population of the Falkland Islands as a Colonial people worthy of all the implied rights and protections as designated by the UN and having those interests that are assigned to them specifically in the provisions and objectives of the UN Charter and most specifically those assigned to them by 1514 (XV) to which it refers twice in 2065 (XX) to quote :-
“Considering that its resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 was prompted by the cherished aim of bringing to an end everywhere colonialism in all its forms, one of which covers the case of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas),”
Those interests are outlines clearly in 1514 (XV) as follows:-
1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation,… (THIS MEANS YOU)… domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.
2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; ..(THIS MEANS FALKLAND ISLANDERS 2065 (XX) SAYS SO!!).. by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development... (THIS MEANS YOU ARGENTINES DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DICTATE TO THEM WHAT THEIR INTERESTS ARE)..
3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence… (SURELY THIS MEANS ARGENTINAS INADEQUACY IN DEALING WITH THE SITUATION?) ..
4. All armed action …(BEEN DEALT WITH)… or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected…. (SO WHY DON’T YOU STOP YOUR REPRESSIVE COMMERCIAL MEASURES?)…(BY THE WAY INTEGRITY OF THEIR NATIONAL TERRITORY REFERS TO THE FALKLANDS NOT TO ARGENTINA)..
5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, ..(E.G. ACCORDING TO THE WILL AND DESIRE OF THE PEOPLE OF THE FALKLAND ISLANDS NOT ARGENTINA)… without any distinction as to race, creed or colour,… (NOTHING HERE ABOUT THIS RERFERRING TO ONLY INDIGENOUS / ORIGINAL PEOPLE AS YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE IT)… in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.
6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and their territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations. ….(BY THE WAY NATIONAL UNITY AND THEIR TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY OF A COUNTRY REFERS TO THE FALKLANDS NOT TO ARGENTINA, THIS RESOLUTION IS ABOUT THE NSGT‘S NOT INDEPENDENT COUNTRIES)…..
7. All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non-interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity… (WELL SO WHY DON’T YOU SHOW SOME RESPECT????)..
So Mr. ‘Tini (I can’t say the ‘A’ word here I expect) why don’t you comply with 1514 (XV) as 2065 (XX) invites you to so do?
Why not put up in truth and honesty or just shut up. I expect you will keep on trying to pull the wool over our eyes by quoting out of context but just for your information we had that wool clipped off a long time ago as far as your deceptive ramblings are concerned and can clearly see where we are going. You are the one who keeps changing the route to suit yourselves and getting bogged down in the mire of lies and deception as a result.
Look im going to be very simple, the UN recognize there is a colony in malvinas so Argentina, a colony of british origin, so the Special Committee invites only two parts to negotiate, Argentina and the uk, inhabitants of malvinas are included in the uk part.
As i said before, Un resolution 2065 does not recognize malvinas islands as a third partie in this resolution.
When you talk about selfdetermination, yes everybody have the right to selfdetermination if you are in your own land.
I dont know how else explaining to you,suppouse that we invaded lets say ascension island in 1833 expelled the inhabitants and for 150 we implant 2000 people, and those 2000 want selfdetermination while the uk say they belongs to the uk, should they have selfdetermination?. If you think they should you are not respecting the law, invation is against the law and if law is not respected what keep us now from invading each other??.
I personally im in favor of selfdetermination, but in the case of malvinas england broke the law, we had sovereignty over malvinas when they recognized us as a new nation and no claims were made, beside that population in malvinas its a controled population. Not even half its population are born on the islands and its inmigration policy is controled with the end of mantain british control.
thats why is not ups to you who inhabitate malvinas to resolve this dispute. once Argentina and the united kingdom resolve this historic conflict, if uk is right you have the right to selfdetermination, if Argentina is right inmigration control will stop, Argentina will regain control of the islands, and in the future if the natural population on malvinas ask for selfdetermination then they can apply for resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960.
Just read the god d.... paper, selfdetermination come after resolution of the dispute. Uk control the wishes of islanders becouse most of them were born in the uk or Commonwealth members so its wishes naturally will be to mantain the status quo.
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