Gibraltar: Between a Rock and a hard place
La Linea de la Conception is a small Spanish town on the North side of the border with Gibraltar. The fascist dictator Francisco Franco sealed the frontier in 1969 to punish Gibraltar for rejecting his offer of becoming part of Spain.
The border was not fully reopened again until 1985, almost ten years after Spain's transition to democracy. Prior to that many Gibraltarians lived in Spain and Gibraltar’s dockyard provided thousands of jobs for the people of La Linea.
The closure brought hardship to Gibraltar, but even more to the Spanish town where unemployment was rife. Fast forward to 2010, when Gibraltar has a booming economy based on tourism and the Internet rather than the military base and again provides thousands of jobs to Spaniards struggling with the recession, and massive unemployment.
A recent report by Dr John Fletcher of Bournemouth University showed Gibraltar provided 18% of the total 102,468 jobs in the adjoining area, and that Gibraltarians spent some 63 million pounds in Spain in 2007.
But times are hard for La Linea’s mayor, Alejandro Sánchez, he cannot afford to pay council workers, who are protesting in the streets. Quite what became of the towns money is a mystery, the former mayor resigned and was arrested. But the new mayor has a solution, in third word countries when the police are not paid; they set up a road block and charge passers by. Envious of the prosperity the other side of the border Sánchez plans to extort a toll from tourists crossing the national border. He says Gibraltar residents, like those of La Linea and frontier workers, would be exempt from any charge.
Of course the Spanish Government has other ideas, as does the EU regarding freedom of movement, but despite being summoned to Madrid by Miguel Angel Moratinos and told not to, the mayor is adamant that he will introduce it. All the cars leaving Gibraltar would be required to drive through his toll gate. He was also reprimanded for ordering the local police force to halt vehicles crossing into Spain and carry out document checks, an act that caused long delays and was labelled as “harassment” by Gibraltar's government. This was seen as a ‘trial run’ to see how his Government would react.
Another ‘bright idea’ is to try and tax telephone lines which he says pass through his town and are used by successful offshore betting companies based in Gibraltar, like William Hill and Ladbrokes.
Sanchez, a member of the right-wing Popular Party claims that the socialist government in Madrid has sacrificed the town of La Linea's interests, favouring Gibraltar, to ensure good relations with Britain. The ‘favours’ obtained under the 2006 Cordoba agreement included Spain promising not to obstruct traffic at the frontier and to stop blocking telephone calls and flights.
The association representing Spanish workers in Gibraltar ASCTEG are strongly against his move, and in a press release say that “12 thousand mouths eat from wages earned on the Rock and nobody should interfere with the border”
The new rearrangements will be begin as from this week, Sanchez has said, and that the move was “not a bluff” Quite apart from the controversy of charging visitors, the process of checking cars on their way out could slow down frontier traffic and cause tailbacks into Gibraltar.
“It would create a gridlock,” one senior official said
Gibraltar was seized by the British in 1704, and ceded by Spain in 1713. Anglo-Spanish attempts to push the idea of co-sovereignty were overwhelmingly rejected by the Gibraltarians in a 2002 referendum.
Since 2006, with the creation of the Tripartite Forum for Dialogue, the governments of Spain, Britain and Gibraltar have sought to build a framework of co-operation to improve the life of those who live and work in Gibraltar and the Spanish towns across the border.
By Jim Watt – Gibnet.com- Gibraltar
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Congestion charge Zones exist in London, Rome Stockholm etc etc etc...
Nothing “Third world” about that! :-)
The important bit - “ ... The closure brought hardship to Gibraltar, but even more to the Spanish town where unemployment was rife...”
Shooting oneself in the foot .... is it a spanish thing?
And remember:
The right of self-determination of the People of La Linea contains the territorial integrity of Spain or Britain.
A recent ICJ ruling gives you and your Beautiful and Noble town the right to do exactly what you are doing.
The wishes of the townspeople of La Linea are paramount!
I completely agree the Linenses have a right to self determination and I think a lot of people would support them if they decided to secede.
However for the time being La Linea is part of Spain and for the time being La Linea has to abide by Spanish and EU law - which means freedom of movement so toll at the frontier would be illegal.
The noble and heroic people of the magnificent town of La Linea prefers, of course, to continue their free association with the Kingdom of Spain.:-))))
But their traffic regulatory needs, interests and wishes must be respected by all foreigners wishing to cross their sovereign territory. :-))))
Road tolls do not infringe in any way Spanish or European Legislation. Most Highways and Bridges in Europe apply them :-))))
And in addition, as in Arizona (USA), Local Police should be given the legal tools to stop and identify any possible illegal aliens. One cannot be too careful these days :-))))
If that represents a problem for anybody, they can always agree with the Spanish National Authorities to build an alternative road outside the municipal boundaries of La Linea :-))))
A part of Spain can't be in free association with Spain. Either it's part of Spain or it's not. La Linea is part of Spain so Spanish and EU law apply.
If it was something to do with traffic/congestion in La Linea then why will the proposed toll booth be at the frontier? Why not at the entrances to the town?
None of the tolls on your highways, bridges or earlier mentioned city congestion zones charge people to cross a frontier, which is what Alcalde Alejo plans to do. This is illegal in the EU. He'll soon find out, but not before all the roads in La Linea have been rerouted and the toll booth built. More money wasted on another hair-brained scheme. Why not just make La Linea a nice place to go, instead of the rat-infested dump that it is, people might actually stop and spend their money...
Best initiative in a long time in respect of Gibraltar.......
Maybe the National Government can get inspired by some of your great ideas.:-))))
I f you need a picket.... remember, there are millions of Argentines living in Spain... and some luuuuuuuuuuv to picket :-))))
You are a Pioneer, a Conquistador , our new right wing Iberian Cid Campeador :-))))
And remember the golden rule in modern politics: Bad exposure is better that No exposure :-))))
And I've said this before ... it'll never get better if you pick it!
The spanish workers of La Linea will be the ones to suffer. They know it and I somehow doubt that this mayor will manage re-election.
The rock will still be there, and like the Falklands, it'll still be British!
On the Contrary young one......
If he plays his cards right and with a little bit of luck.... he can be on the way to greater things.
Let's watch this fellow and see who is right...
what a N*b u r
Where the f*** is Gibraltar anyway?
This “news” has not been mentioned “at all” in the Spanish press.
As a matter of fact, other than Gibraltar the only place in the world that has mentioned this story is:............. MercoPress. :-)
I cant seem to locate the Malvinas either
Oh really Thunk? It's been big news in my local paper, and has made the nationals too...
www.elpais.com/articulo/andalucia/Geopolitica/barrio/elpepiespand/20100809elpand_7/Tes
www.abc.es/videos-nacional/20100809/peaje-gibraltar-490910910001.html
www.europasur.es/article/lalinea/758580/sanchez/anuncia/la/reordenacion/trafico/la/frontera/para/implantar/peaje.html
www.europasur.es/article/lalinea/756085/alcalde/aclara/peaje
/sera/para/los/vehiculos/visitantes.html
www.europasur.es/article/lalinea/751939/gobierno/advierte/peaje/anunciado/por/alcalde/es/ilegal.html
www.europasur.es/article/lalinea/750895/alcalde/la/linea/quiere/cobrar/peaje/quienes/entren/gibraltar.html
And why this toll all of a sudden? Is it the “congestion” or is really because of corruption and incompetence. La Linea is bankrupt!
www.europasur.es/article/lalinea/751211/la/plantilla/municipal/sigue/sin/cobrar/la/nomina.html
www.elpais.com/articulo/andalucia/alcalde/Linea/dice/podra/pagar/nominas/enero/elpepiespand/20100807elpand_9/Tes
www.europasur.es/article/lalinea/756775/psoe/afirma/peaje/servira/para/pagar/los/sueldos/municipales.html
I don't cite the “Torquay Herald Express” do I?
You would cite the exchange and mart if it suited your argument twink
The honourable Sir GILES CHICHESTER, Conservative MEP for South West England and Gibraltar is in favor of the Road Toll !!!
www.thisissouthdevon.co.uk/news/toll-road-cure-bypass-frustration/article-2340724-detail/article.html
Where the f*** is Gibraltar anyway?
This “news” has not been mentioned “at all” in the Spanish press.
As a matter of fact, other than Gibraltar the only place in the world that has mentioned this story is:............. MercoPress. :-)
:-)))))))
Consider these comments from Captain Michael Clapp who participated in the 1982 conflict:
So as as the sound of political sabre rattling returns to the South Atlantic, could we repeat that success today? I’m not doubting the resolve of our armed forces – our soldiers, sailors and airmen have a long and proud track record of plucking success from adversity – but I’m sorry to say that we no longer have the ships and equipment to launch a sea-borne attack on an enemy on the other side of the world.
thevelvetrocket.com/2010/02/21/could-britain-re-take-the-falkland-islands-again-its-not-1982-anymore/
for your information the gibraltarians , thus the British will always have the upper hand, and has the power to , not only close the boarder again, [causing hardship to the Spanish] but also to re route all transmissions, again only the Spanish would suffer, but im sure the European court will stop this long before it gets anywhere out of control,
and the Falklands will still be British, and the Malvinas confined to the beano comic.
So Marco, the question is how many Argentines are prepared to die for the cause? Let us know and we can help.
You are forgetting one major difference between now and then. The Argentines now have the support of all of South America and much or the Western world. Argentinas ex President is now head of the South America Political alliance and one of the Worlds Super Powers is now very much behind Argentines claim. Whatever way you look at it there claim is a valid one. One way to avoid another war might be for Argentina to buy it off the British. They certainly need the moeny.
Marco - which world super power are you refering to? China? Unlikely as they have a specific policy to stay out of other people's business. The U.S.? Not so, they'll stay well away. Russia? Do they still count as a power? .... now what's left?
However you look at it your claim is a non-starter. Historically valueless, politically a no hoper and de facto the islands are British. Delude yourself if you wish but there's less than a snowball's chance in hell of your claim impressing anyone capable or willing to do anything about it.
And our begging bowls are richer than Argentina!
Your grasp on reality ain't good boy!
1) British Submarines are everywhere..... You just can’t see them...... :-) Very Astute!
2) China is backing Argentina more and more.... But not in writing.... :-) They are very Astute!
3) Our “no starter” claim, as you call it, is already good on its way and advancing in mastodontic leaps.... :-) You are not very Astute!
4) Do you have Begging Bowls in Great Britain?... And using nearly 3% of your GDP in guns?.... :-) That’s not very Astute!
5) And don’t try to divert the attention from Mr. Alejandro Sánchez.... He is the Hero of this thread... :-) HE is quite Astute!
The Spanish workers in Gibraltar, through their association, are adamantly against the plan and fear for their jobs. There are 10,000 unemployed in La Linea, a town of some 65,000 inhabitants.
The whole thing is considered to be discriminatory and against European Union rules on the freedom of movement.
That good old socialist Alejandro Sánchez, got F***k all and wants to share it
You people can not cite other than Local Gibraltarian papers...
And the HERO OF THE WEEK; Sr. Alejandro Sanchez is YOUNG AND CONSERVATIVE
JA Ja JA
with a big C
He's one of this lot:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Party_(Spain)
Left or right who cares
A 1.000 € decongestion charge on every lorry carrying stones and building materials into Gibraltar.
www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=19719
he is one of yours :-)))))))
as for the Spanish mayor, well this sort of action will stand him in good stead if he has more national plans. Typically with bloody politicians he'll walk away when it suits his career amd leave the spanish locals to suffer the consequences. And there will be consequenses. All the Rockers have to do is put up another toll booth on their side and charge the spanish workers!
Only 3% on guns .... not enough :-)
Don’t be fooled by it’s sweet looks.... Its’s nearly as complicated as a Spanish woman :-)
And please, please go ahead....... Charge toll on your side too..... That would give some momentum to this rather “local” situation.
Get out of here! The UN haven't got a KAPOWWWW in them!
No chance, no hope ... how are you getting on with that brick wall? And by the way there seems to be a shortage of news. How's the blockade working out?
Wordckade is working perfectly well and its cheap :-)))
No ferry from Algeciras to Gibraltar:-)))))
Did I remember to tell you that there is no ferry from Algeciras to Gibraltar?
:-)))))
www.transcomalines.com/
Two nice options, drive your car and pay the toll or take the boat and walk.
www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=19672
Then you don't need to pay the 5 € Congestion Charge.......
Brillant Stick up.... You solved the problem
www.clarin.com/internet/primer-volador-saldra-venta-marzo_0_298770350.html
www.gomarbella.com/costadelsolbuses/bus-from-marbella--to-gibraltar.htm
and if you look around it aint that expensive to park in La Linea
www.eyeonspain.com/forums/posts-long-9585.aspx
A quote from Twinky: “there is no ferry from Algeciras to Gibraltar”
I love proving Twinky and his little nabo friends wrong.
Ja Ja Ja..... Drive to Algeciras.... Find a parking place ....Pay 10 € for the day... (if you don't pay... you car will not be there on return:-))))... Walk to the BOAT (not a ferry)... Pay 10 € for the trip....
Smaaaaaart......
www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g293737-i9554-k1376612-Parking_algeciras-Tangier.html
Nothing is insurmountable twink
www.pocruises.com/Destinations/Gibraltar-Cruises/?gclid=CNLNkJCBsaMCFSMulAodRhQV4w
I am glad you are not my travel agents :-))))))
Think I have catered for all budgets, even poor Argentines.
www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/defence/7931465/RAF-to-shrink-to-World-War-One-levels.html
sped2work.tripod.com/camel.html
Four of these will keep the nasty Argies at bay
www.eurofighter.com/
The 3er world is even closer day after day.
“If implemented, the cuts will mean that Britain will almost certainly depart the world stage as a major military power and become what military chiefs call a “medium-scale player”.”
Medium-sacale player, medium-sacale player... umm let’s say a crappy army like I’ve said several times.
Title ideas for a new book.
How to turn a Great Power into a Zimbabwe style banana republic learning from UK.
Even as a medium scale player we could stuff a 3rd world nation like Argentina! But just for the record .... who'se armies will be stronger, better trained and better equipped?
There's 192 nations regocnised by the UN .... now start at the top, I'm interested to see how far down you'd place us!
The Royal air force on the other hand is one of the most advanced and powerful airforces in the world. Does Argentina or any other country in south America have any jet what is even near the Eurofighter Typhoon, no.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcFZcF17GJk
Don't get me started on your pathetic excuse of an army.
We've got a long way to go before until we plumb the depths Zimbabwe does, and we'll have to pass you on the way, but there's little chance of that anyway.
The only country I know of which has had a 1st world to 3rd world experience is the one which used to have the 4th largest economy on the planet... like the French used to say a long time ago: “riche comme un Argentin”... but not any more...
Are you sure? I heard things are so bad in your air force, that you are using parts from very old Argentine helicopter capture almost 30 years ago..
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/5849377/RAF-helicopter-built-using-half-of-chinook-captured-in-Falklands.html
“An MOD spokesman said it was 'common practice' to use parts from other aircraft to maintain others.”
And if you knew anything about aircraft you would know that it is all about the “life” of a part, not its age.
Like I said, at least we still have an air-force.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQa0WSPQWZs
www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6pt6kRPJGk
You should watch these. They are soooo much better than Harriers!!
And thank you very much for the gift Marco,waste not want not,your country should learn from that saying
I just imagine when Argentina and Chile refuse next time to permit flying over or landing when fogs gets tick in Malvinas, that happens quit often. Mother nature keeps your junk on land or running scare to mainland South America.
en.mercopress.com/2010/06/04/falklands-thick-fog-forces-two-raf-typhoons-and-tanker-to-land-in-punta-arenas
www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/7941191/Universities-face-biggest-cuts-since-Great-Depression.html
Anyway I left school at 16 didnt do me any harm
Stick Prisoner 4876290
Cell 22
Wandsworth
Maybe but when we get into the state that is Argentina then I will worry
Well going by your IQ Marco your country should be on financial par with the Democratic Republic of the Congo
“3rd world? Who do you think made the 3rd world the 3rd world?”
We are calling you the 3er world now and means countries getting poor and poor running by necons while having their citizen in complete ignorance thinking that they are a super power and rich while they are tuning into banana republics.
The former “3er world” term was coined by a French anthropologist for countries with independent policies not aligned with US or Russia and last until the end of the cold war.
So you now understand why we are calling you a 3er world country. Do you?
And about the strength of your army has to be tested, but after Afghanistan you seem very crappy.
@Astute
You have to test your Eurofighters in a real war and please don’t do it on froggy days.
@J.A. Roberts
Don’t worry you are just starting the long way to Zimbabwe 2 year ago UK was still a world power but today is an old start falling like rock. In a couple of years you will fall under Brazil and later you will be financially worse than us in 2001. But the difference is that Argentina is a rich country with a lot of resources we can fall a lot of times but we can recover and start again, again and again like phoenix.
But UK its not a rich country there is nothing left, not industries, natural resources, etc. just fancy accounting and a lot of external debt to pay.
@ stick up your junta
Don’t be so sure UK has declined more than Argentina you were the dominant power in the world and your stupidity turn you into a middle size country and falling to Africa standards.
Argentina never ruled the world as UK did but things are changing so faster that you cannot say what will happen tomorrow. The world is getting very interesting on these days. Don’t you think so?
BTW can you tell me how UK so advanced army lost in Afghanistan and Iraq I don’t get it. They don’t have even a proper army.
Do this tell you something or do you need more embarrassment?
We see you lot off from the Falklands, = Taliban better army than Argentina do you want more embarrassment
I love how you mention this now i've explained what the word means - He still uses it as derogative term to assess the wealth and power of nations.
“But UK its not a rich country there is nothing left, not industries, natural resources, etc. just fancy accounting and a lot of external debt to pay. ”
London by it's self makes almost double than the enite nation of Argentina per year.
“Don’t be so sure UK has declined more than Argentina”
Argentina has not declined, it was never strong.
“And about the strength of your army has to be tested, but after Afghanistan you seem very crappy.”
“BTW can you tell me how UK so advanced army lost in Afghanistan and Iraq I don’t get it. They don’t have even a proper army.”
last war the UK lost was the first boer War, Couple things that show your stupidity are a. We have not lost either war. The UN mandate for british forces in iraq was to train the iraq army untill the point they could run the city by itself, this was done, and we left, as per the UN mandate.
Afghanistan is still ongoing, i'll have to explain again because it seems that you cant quite grasp the fact that we arent fighting the iraq/afghan armies, we are training them, working WITH them. Try reading a bit, you might not make your self look like such a dimwit so often.
Now, as far as Gibraltar is concerned, the Spanish government has told Snr Sanchez that his proposals would contravene national and international EU law and refused him a permit to carry out any works aimed at impeding entry or exit from the Rock. Whatever Snr Sanchez says later, I bet he feels pretty silly right now. He certainly looks very silly. That should kill off his chances of re-election!
Losers always have a good explanation.
About your “London by it's self makes almost double than the enite nation of Argentina per year.”
Come one mate I thought you were more intelligent than that. Your “financial centre” that counts as the 90% of your GDP it is fancy accounting and belong to foreigner owners. Only produces some jobs and that’s all but on what cost?
Destruction of your industries, High inflated exchange rate currency, astronomical foreign debt, wars, low salaries, immigration, etc. do you need more?
And the most amazing things is that the hard earned quids that poor brits make with a lot of enforce to pay their taxes is used to save these “corpocretinations” that produce only debt.
Can you see why you are the 3er world? How many proofs do you need to understand your poor situation? And who owns your little country?
UK is a debt producer nation and when the party is over you and your descendent will have to pay the bill.
10 Trillions is a lot of money to be paid back even for 14 T US economy, UK is a negative equity mate.
I will be very scared of my future if I would be you mates.
But don’t worry mates you can always move to Morocco or Paraguay that have good health system according with WHO
Well being scared comes pretty easy to you lot. we are made of sterner stuff, now run along and worry about your own third world car crash
The QS World University Ranking top 100 for 2009
Number of UK universities: 18
Number of ARG universities: zero
The HEEACT ranking top 50 for 2009
Number of UK universities: 4
Number of ARG universities: zero
The Webometrics top 500 for 2009
Number of UK universities: 35
Number of ARG universities: 1
The Jiao Tong Academic rankings top 500 for 2009
Number of UK universities: 152
Number of ARG universities: 1
NicoDimwit, you just display your ignorance. Did you know that 20% of the UK GDP is generated by manufacturing? Not to mention allied industries. Your assertion that is all about accounting is absolute crap. And as for Argentina rising like a phoenix, I'll believe it when I see it...
London generates approximately 20% of the UK's GDP. not 90%.
“Can you see why you are the 3er world”
I keep telling you, there is no such thing. Continuing to use that term to insult a nation's wealth and power is just insulting your own nation, as you was classified as a third world country. But, again...There is no such thing as a third world country.
I never said how much is your industrial sector share in your GDP else I referred to what Zethe said about London. And what represents the 90% of the GDP close to a trillion USD of fancy accounting toxic assets hidden in balance sheets and debt restructuring counted as profits (Barclays for example).
If you present a balance sheet like they do you will be in jail by fraud. No other industry has the ability to make “Off-Balance Sheet Transactions” you can see a good introduction of the matter here by Frank Partnoy (Roosevelt Institute). They can pack again this rubbish and made SIVs to sell you again any time soon. I hope you are not an investor and you don’t know that? Do you?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpqYL_xEoVo
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDKX6mFC9VM&feature=related
Now guess who was buying most of these SIVs, Credit SWAPs and fancy things?
Do you know UKI? I don’t see the ISDA willing to do that and you?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y9A0C45KZI&feature=channel
You talk about my ignorance? Wow! Mr. Roberts
First Its seems that I know more over UK than you mate and I resulted to be the ignorant umm very strange point of view. But why in the case you are right don’t knowing about UK turns me into and ignorant?
Since when UKI is an important subject to be taking into account?
And by the way Mr. Source of knowledge your industrial output it is not 20 is 23.7% at the moment and shrinking. If you found something made in UK call me because will be come rare vintage collective Items in the near future.
After all these ranks of Unies it is not reflected on your post I just wonder why?
Regards,
@zethe
Your figures are pretty old from 2004 published in 2005 when output was around $670 billions your GDP had shrunk industries and big retailers collapsed and you got a devaluation. adding your stimulus package and bailout to the city your dependence to the financial sector has dramatically increased. in 2004 London was 32% gdp and n
As for off balance-sheet products. They are traded all over the world, not just in the UK. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make?
23.7% or 20%. Close enough for me. Much closer to reality than your 90%. And actually manufacturing output is on the increase.
www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=198
I think it's you who's looking just a little ignorant Mr NicoDin, and also a reflection of your “Unie”, which no doubt does not appear on a single ”top 50/100/500/whatever anywhere...
“$670 billions your GDP had shrunk”
5.1%. In the first quater of this year, it raised 1.3%.
But let's just say the full 5.1% of 670 = 34.17. Around 635 billion.
Argentina's gdp - $310.065 billion. London still generates double the ammount of GDP argentina does.
Subsidised by the government from the money they stole by not paying their debts!
Any way you are already cooked
And Zhethe is is not the GDP of Argentina this is from CIA fact book that even if we grow 7% our GDP there always in much little haha.
We are the only nation in the world that grows 6.5 7, 8, 9% rate for more than 8 years but our GDP is always more little in the English speaking media. Haha.
In the 90 IMF thought that our GDP was 50bn but after a review or our figures they discovered the huge mistake made by them as our GDP was 250 bn so our economy was similar to Australia, Switzerland and bigger tan more little European countries.
So ok Zethe you sure are super rich but in statistics I just wonder how that is reflected in your wallet?
Any thought?
It's more than one trillion. 2.183 trillion to be exact.
“We are the only nation in the world that grows 6.5 7, 8, 9% rate for more than 8 years but our GDP is always more little in the English speaking media.”
I think I understood this. Now try a little maths.
Year 1 GDP 100 Increase by 9%. Next year GDP 109.
Year 1 GDP 200 Increase by 2%. Next year GDP 204.
Geddit now? You are so far behind you don't need economic recovery, you need a MIRACLE.
Harrier you are right my writing in English is not good I don’t want to be Shakespeare I don’t care and I’m so lazy and it is not my language. But even though I can appreciate that your English it is not good either.
So what can we do? Can we write in Spanish then so we can see how good you are? Haha.
I get it and you get that USD 400bn nominal taken with a exchange rate of 4,10 is 1.64 trillions and if we revalued the $Peso (because in under devaluated) lets say to Brazil rate its turns into USD 820 bn and if we adjust more the exchange rate lets sat to 1,50 x 1 USD we have a DGP of 1.1 trillion.
But like China that was so many years with a little GDP we will erode your economies because you cannot compete. Do you get the Idea now? Or do you think that China turn into the 2nd largest economy in the world from 2007. Only an ignorant reader of the FT of Economist can think that way.
Do you understand that in the world is a currency exchange problem and that US UK and EU have to make a realignment down of its currencies?
UK cannot has a Pound with a ER of 1.5588 to dollar this is artificially sustained and cost huge external debt, jobs, bankruptcies and the movement of industries to other places.
You are like Argentina in the 90 then came 2001 and may be in a couple of years your GDP would be less than our. And on that point you really yeas will need a miracle you are a little island with not resources with a huge astronomical debt and with nothing to sell to the world.
Argentina is self-sufficient but UK is not and has to import everything to keep alive.
So you are Iceland but with huge financial debt problem.
So Argentina is a Super Power compared with you mate.
Your army has turn into a joke with the cuts and the music just has started.
In a couple of years you will see salaries cut down, jobs cuts, recession, stagnation, stagflación and a long queue of Brits in all emerging power countries Embassies looking for a visa to find a job.
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NicoDin are you for real, seriously you are a complete tool, who doesn't live in the real world.
Now you say the British army is a joke but when we really look at it, it is one of the finest and most professional army's in the world(unlike Argentina).
Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX3GO8NWJMI
WAH-64 Apache
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdWiV5T7gio
Does Argentina have this technology and equipment, NO!
As for the economy, as someone has stated before London earns twice as much as the whole of Argentina, the Peso is worthless(£1 is equal to $6.1438) and again you are a tool.
You forgot this:
Eurofighter Typhoon
www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6pt6kRPJGk
You also forgot to mention to our little argie pal that, unlike the American Abrams MBT, NO Challenger 2 has EVER been knocked out by enemy action. Because it is THE BEST!!
Ha, nice one, NicoDin will be angry now.
The argies have nothing near the tech and experience our armed forces have.
A challenger 2 survived being hit by over 20 RPG's and a Milan Anti tank mine, it was operational again in a few hours. Challenger 2= Best Tank in the world.
When was the last time the argies updated their tech?
“You are like Argentina in the 90 then came 2001 and may be in a couple of years your GDP would be less than our”
GDP Rarely goes down with nations, apart from in recessions, even then they only go down about 5-6%, All of the worlds GDP is rising every year, even yours.
The fact still remains that london by it's self makes more than double the money than your entire nation of 40 million people.
The fact still remains that we are still the worlds sixth largest economy.
“Your army has turn into a joke with the cuts and the music just has started.”
Throwing stones again in that glass house of yours? even if our defence budget was cut in half, it would still be 15 times larger than yours.
Also, I shall be posting this on each appropriate thread.
Contrary to Twinky's post at (59),there IS a direct ferry between Algeciras and Gibraltar. It's passenger only - no cars and costs 4 euros.
I received this information from a Gibraltar resident today.
So here's the FACTS. When a Brit researches something, it's the TRUTH. When an argy says anything, it's a LIE
Though, it's not likely that an argentinian force would ever get to see one. The terrain is not suitable, plus Our commanders are likely to prefer using faster things.
The jackal and viking would be perfect for a falklands scenario. The only problem the army had last time was moving around, the viking would be a god send to them.
Tank warfare is fastly becoming out of date.
But, moving westward, think about the pampas!
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