Saturday, August 14th 2010 - 08:03 UTC

Remains of extinct Falklands’ wolf, 'Warrah', discovered by 13-year old

A natural history enthusiast since he was just three, now aged13, Dale Evans a native Falkland Islander has made a remarkable and significant scientific discovery.

Falkland Islands Wolf

The beautiful preserved Warrah skull discovered by Dale Evans at Spring Point (PN)

Dale with his youngest brother Niall (PN)

In January while home at Spring Point Farm, West Falklands he found parts of a Warrah – the Falklands wolf – a species that has been extinct for more than 130 years.

The Islands’ only land mammal and its origin is something of an enigma. Only six complete specimens are known to exist and all these were collected in the 1800s. But Dale unearthed bones from the now extinct Warrah that could lead to new information about the Islands’ only native land mammal.

Falklands’s Museum staff and UK experts alike are thrilled with the discovery of the ‘Evans Warrah’.

Dale told the story of the incredible discovery in the family’s Spring Point Farm to the Penguin News.

“I knew if there was a jawbone there must be more so I went back the next day. I knew where it was but didn’t know how to get there, so (brother) Niall showed me the way...It was boggy so I scanned the area from the bank and thought if I looked on the surface I’d see more – the bones were black against the white sand. By the time Niall caught up I had seen a bit of the skull sticking out of the ground.

As I went towards it I saw the teeth and the cranium. I walked up to it and gently put my hands underneath the sand and lifted it out.

The ground was relatively soft with a crust. I took it to the bank where I examined it. By then I was really excited. Niall was there with me and later he found a bit of hard palate (of a second specimen) and the back of a skull and I found the other bit of it, which I gave to him because they belonged together. I went back to the site a few times. By the skull I found another bit of jaw, and that is close to where I found a baby tooth”.

Back in Stanley after the holidays Dale told his experience to one of his teachers who immediately took him and the skull to the local Museum’s taxidermist, Steve Massam.
“Steve got really excited because it was obviously of some age. He compared it to photos of a warrah skull he had seen in Holland”.

Dale went back searching in the holidays (Easter and half term) and found loads more bones – warrah bones and potential prey species – fish bones, squid beaks, penguin and goose bones and small bird bone.

“Eventually Steve and I went to the vet’s to eliminate it from being a dog. He didn’t think it was a dog”.

Things really begun moving when Steve had to travel to England and there was an opportunity to get the specimen identified safely.

The waiting was perilous! But finally an email confirmed the news: effectively the bones belong to the long extinct Warrah.

The name Warrah is simply a corruption of the term aguará which means ‘fox’ in Guaraní, one of the prevailing indigenous languages in South America.

“There is no doubt that this is a scientific find of some magnitude” said Leona Roberts, Falklands’ Museum Curator Leona Roberts.

“This is the only known Warrah specimen that seems to have been a natural fatality, rather than having been collected by naturalists. The bones and the site might well shed new light on what we know about these fascinating animals.”

Since being told of the discovery of the bones, the Museum has been seeking advice and guidance from contacts at British museums and organisations and the next step will be to try and establish the age of these specimens, probably through AMS radiocarbon dating. If the bones are as old as they appear to be, that can only add to the importance of the find. (PN/MP)

 

 

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1 JustinKuntz (#) Aug 15th, 2010 - 02:31 pm Report abuse
Argie seems to forget that last year the Falkland Islands Cricket Club was due to tour South America, after all sport shouldn't get in the way of politics. Pity Argentina didn't feel that way as they spat their dummy out and had the tournament stopped.
2 Billy Hayes (#) Aug 15th, 2010 - 09:28 pm Report abuse
poor doggies, argentine beasts, british cruelty against every link between malvinas & the continent (argentina).
3 harrier61 (#) Aug 15th, 2010 - 09:43 pm Report abuse
What do you know? Billy has solved a mystery puzzling scientists all over the world. Can anyone think of anything argentine that doesn't deserve extermination?
4 briton (#) Aug 15th, 2010 - 11:45 pm Report abuse
bily the kid, defender of argentina the desparado of south america,
search for the lost malvinus, another myth gone west.
5 Islander1 (#) Aug 16th, 2010 - 04:13 pm Report abuse
Billy, No link at all - totally different fox from the Patagonian one - not surprising since the Islands never were a physical part of patagonia - we came off the indian side of Africa around Port Elizabeth area - Argentina came off the west side of S Africa - geologically the Islands neither are nor were part of S America.
6 JustinKuntz (#) Aug 16th, 2010 - 04:25 pm Report abuse
Islander,

Don't go there, I've pointed this out before. I've even had claims that the Falkland Islands broke off South America and drifted against continental drift. Science and facts are just not acceptable, for proof denies faith.
7 Billy Hayes (#) Aug 16th, 2010 - 06:26 pm Report abuse
oh yes; I´ve heard before that story about a link between Malvinas and africa; ´perhaps that´s why there were foxes, lions, antelopes, jiraffes, perhaps elephants & zulues living in Malvinas in ancient times; hahahaha. And because of that there are gold and dimonds in the rocks...ups sorry...I remember that this crapy history was invented by Falkland Gold Company to sell their shares....ups...remember what happened with that company? I hope you didn´t buy those shares.

Please my friend, don´t buy that crap that your goverment sell you time after time to eliminate any link between Malvinas & the continent for political reasons.

Malvinas is part of what is called “antilles of the south” and there is a geological connection (like an imaginary line) beetwen the southern part of the continent- Malvinas-Georgias-Sandwich- and antartica peninsula.
8 stick up your junta (#) Aug 16th, 2010 - 06:44 pm Report abuse
Malvinas-Georgias-Sandwich- and antartica peninsula.

you forgot Spain
9 Pheel (#) Aug 16th, 2010 - 08:25 pm Report abuse
Smart boy, this Dale discoverer.
10 JustinKuntz (#) Aug 16th, 2010 - 09:22 pm Report abuse
QED

Forget science, mere emotion will suffice, notice no attempt to refute the science, just an ad hominem attack.
11 zethe (#) Aug 16th, 2010 - 10:50 pm Report abuse
“oh yes; I´ve heard before that story about a link between Malvinas and africa;”

I didn't think it was contested that while the earth was one continent(pangea) The islands “stuck” on to africa.

So what part of south america do your experts think the islands came from?
12 JustinKuntz (#) Aug 16th, 2010 - 10:59 pm Report abuse
According to Argentine scientists they're originally part of Patagonia that broke off and drifted East. Except every theory of Geology has them moving West.....

See

Taylor, G.K. & Shaw, J. 1989. “The Falkland Islands: New paleomagnetic data and their origin as a displaced terrane from Southern Africa.” In: Deep structure and past kinematics of accreted terranes, ed. J.W. Hillhouse, (AGU Monograph 50), 59-72.

For real science.
13 Billy Hayes (#) Aug 17th, 2010 - 01:30 am Report abuse
hahah those researchs were sponsored by falkland gold...what a fake!! Falkland gold robbed millons with that theory.
malvinas and other south atklantic islands were formed by emerging andean structures.
14 Hoytred (#) Aug 17th, 2010 - 03:10 am Report abuse
Whatever Billious, the islands have drifted away now and Argentina has about as much chance of getting hold of them as South Africa has ...... although, I suppose if Justin is right and they're moving west then they may bump into you one day - provided you're not moving away at the same time :-)
15 harrier61 (#) Aug 17th, 2010 - 11:24 am Report abuse
Hey, that's a thought!! The southern tip of the South American continent just drifts away into the Pacific Ocean and, probably, sinks. You ought to get down there, Billy, and measure the width of the Straits of Magellan. The tip may already be on its way!!
16 Argie (#) Aug 17th, 2010 - 01:53 pm Report abuse
Billy H & Justin, when I read Shackleton's book 'South' on his 1914-1916 'Endurance' misadventures, one chapter dealing with the other ship - the 'Aurora' - on her NE drift while captured by a huge floe, tells of some gold nuggets fished by the sounds at 40 fathoms near an island (can't remember its name) in the Weddell Sea.

Can the presence of these gold nuggets suggest that at least a good number of the South Sea islands were rather a part of W. Africa and not of South America?

And the Falklands/Malvinas foxes are not at all extinct. Some used to happily thrive in the Leg. Ass ;-)
17 JustinKuntz (#) Aug 17th, 2010 - 03:16 pm Report abuse
There is plenty of evidence to show the origin of the Falklands and it is African rather than South American. The theories of them breaking off South America are just bunk.
18 Marco (#) Aug 17th, 2010 - 03:19 pm Report abuse
Islander“ we came off the indian side of Africa around Port Elizabeth area - Argentina came off the west side of S Africa - geologically the Islands neither are nor were part of S America.”
What in the world are u smoking or drinking?
Since the islands are so far away from Europe now your excuse is that is part of Africa?
Please stop smoking weird things and buy yourself a decent map.
Malvinas Argentinas y Sudamericanas.
19 JustinKuntz (#) Aug 17th, 2010 - 03:34 pm Report abuse
Ah Marco

Tell me, how can you settle existing differences and leave an issue unresolved?

How many times can you avoid an awkward question?

Why when faced with science and facts can you only respond with an ad hominem attack?

Indoctrinated?
Brainwashed?
Unwilling to listen?
Unwilling to accept you are wrong?

All of the above?
20 Argie (#) Aug 17th, 2010 - 03:43 pm Report abuse
Whatever their geological original, the actual fact is that the Falkland/Malvinas islands are ducks sitting on our continental plattform, i.e. the line marked by a depth of 200 metres.
21 JustinKuntz (#) Aug 17th, 2010 - 04:03 pm Report abuse
Argie so what?

And by the way Argentina never actually ratified the 1958 Convention on the Law of the Continental Shelf.

They're still outside of your territorial waters and it only might ever apply to situations where the islands were uninhabited - and they have been for over 200 years, over a century before the convention you never ratified.

Rather typical Argentina claims on the basis of a convention it never actually ratified.

I just find it interesting that Argentines are so paranoid about the Falklands that they would reject scientific orthodoxy about their origins. Like they can't have an African origin, like it makes a difference to any territorial claim.

Its bizarre.
22 Marco (#) Aug 17th, 2010 - 04:29 pm Report abuse
Hey Justin, I will propose to you to settle any existing differences in Stanley, having an asado(barbecue), when the old British empire Gov, return to their land in Europe.
In the 21st Century, can a European power hide its colonial claim to the oil resources under the sea bed of South America by sheltering behind the 'rights' of its colonists?

Britain must go, and in the end it will have to go; the issue is one of how and when.
23 harrier61 (#) Aug 17th, 2010 - 04:33 pm Report abuse
It's Argentina that is bizarre. Belligerent. Neo-imperialist. Corrupt. Rapacious. Mendacious. Psychotic. Devious. Bigoted. Racist.

Have I missed anything?
24 Marco (#) Aug 17th, 2010 - 04:40 pm Report abuse
harrier, Racist? ah ok, you must be talking about the British...
“In the process which followed, which was that of the forced expulsion of the population of the Chagos from the islands, the islanders were offered no recourse to self-determination. Dispossesed of their homes and their means of livelihood, the democratic choice offered to the Chagossians was to become slum-dwellers on the Mauritius mainland. For the inconvenience of having to accommodate these refugees, the government of Maurituis was compensated with the princely sum of three million pounds.

Like the Falklanders, the Chagossians were approximately two thousand in number. Unlike the Falklanders, they were dark skinned and not of British ancestry”
25 Argie (#) Aug 17th, 2010 - 04:43 pm Report abuse
So what? Argentina's territorial waters are all those covering her continental shelf down to a depth of 200 metres.

On the other hand, UK cannot be considered neo-imperialist (including belligerency, rapacity, bigotry and racism) because she neved ceased to be imperialist and/or sustain warship diplomacy as a means to hold on her overseas territorial 'acquisitions'!
26 JustinKuntz (#) Aug 17th, 2010 - 04:47 pm Report abuse
British Empire no longer exists and has not for some time.

The Falklands are a self-governing BOT, they've been self-governing since 1985.

Their status of self-government was delayed for years by the FCO, to avoid upsetting Argentina who didn't want to see them proceed to self-governing status.

Oil permits were issued by the Falkland Islands Government.
Oil revenue goes to the Falkland Islands.

Britain has nothing to do with the licenses.

And Marco, the fact is that Argentina has never and never will own the Falklands. Its a national myth perpetuated by Peron, who saw it as a means to unite the people using a small island community as a scapegoat. Argentina has only ever accrued territory, either by conquest or threat.

It stole Patagonia from Chile by threatening a war when Chile was already engaged in struggle with Peru; not that Patagonia was Chile's anyway.

It conquered Patagonia in its own genocidal Conquest of the Desert.

It stole huge chunks of Paraguay in the War of the Triple Alliance, a war that wiped out virtually the entire male population of Paraguay.

It has stolen parts of Uruguay.

And in the 21st Century, it is still trying to claim territory based on 19th Century arguments, a perverted version of history and outight lies.

It indoctrinates its children with these same lies.

It has always invented outside enemies for itself. For much of the 19th Century that was Uruguay, then it was Chile, then it was the Mapuche of Patagonia, then Chile again with the Beagle Channel dispute, then Britain, then the Beagle Channel again and more recently Uruguay with its pulp mills.

Argentine belligerence has made it irrelevant in the Falklands, it could have shared in the oil bonanza if it ever happens. Argentina alone tore up the oil agreement, unilaterally, then it whines about “unilateral” action when we just get on with it.

If you want a BBQ, buy a ticket and bring your passport, you'll find the welcome surprising but leave the attitude at home.
27 Argie (#) Aug 17th, 2010 - 05:51 pm Report abuse
Oh, Justin, come off it! We lost more territory to our neighbours that what we gained. And with regard to 'It conquered Patagonia in its own genocidal Conquest of the Desert,' can you remember how was New Zealand 'conquered' and by whom? Conquest of the desert was nothing compared to what the US nationals did to their red indians, or the Chileans to mapuches (they had to escape to Argentina), or these mapuches to tehuelches, picunches, moluches, huiliches, etc., or the Normans to Saxons, Romans to most Europeans, Arabs ditto, Huns ditto, Russians to scores of small countries to expand after Yalta, Victoria's England in India, Kenia, Burma... By the way, what are the Americans and the English troops doing overseas? It's history, man: tribes in need of more room, hunting grounds and kuntz to add up fresh blood to their tribes, he!
28 Marco (#) Aug 17th, 2010 - 06:06 pm Report abuse
The real islanders? Malvinas is an old colony of the broke British empire

Governor Mr Alan Huckle, british and former Governor of Anguilla.

The Honourable Keith Biles JP
Speaker of the Legislative Assembly

Keith Biles was a member of the overseas staff of a major international British bank for 25 years, living and working in many parts of the world.

He arrived in the Falkland Islands in 1995 to take up the appointment as manager of the local branch of the bank.

Falkland Islands Government Chief Executive, Dr Tim Thorogood
Timothy “Tim” Rupert Thorogood (born 15 May 1962) is the current Chief Executive of the Falkland Islands.
Thorogood was born in Barbados and spent time as a child in the Falklands, where his father worked for Cable & Wireless.
29 harrier61 (#) Aug 17th, 2010 - 06:50 pm Report abuse
Marco. You still don't get it, do you? There is only one place “Malvinas” exists. Between Argentine ears, where they ought to have a brain/mind.

I do not say that he is right, but Argie has already made the case for right of conquest.

Go lose yourself!!
30 Astute (#) Aug 17th, 2010 - 07:00 pm Report abuse
@Marco: you wrote “broke British empire”, but that is wrong.

1. Our economy is at least 10 times the size of that of Argentina.

2. Empire? Yes it was the biggest and most powerful empire to have ever existed. But sadly being at the heart of two world wars and the rise of democracy in the world, the empire disappeared. But its legacy still exists to this day, the world certainty benefited from the empire.
31 harrier61 (#) Aug 17th, 2010 - 07:17 pm Report abuse
Marco. Read your Constitution, racist.
32 Argie (#) Aug 17th, 2010 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
Jaimito have just said '' the only British current 'colony' is l'eau de cologne ''Floris'' :-)
33 JustinKuntz (#) Aug 17th, 2010 - 08:23 pm Report abuse
Argie,

No, throughout its history Argentina has only ever accrued territory. It has created myths of lost territory but that is all they are myths. At independence it occupied a fraction of what it does now. Its population was a tiny fraction of what is now and quite ethnically different being predominantly creole. The current population is predominantly descended from late 19th Century immigration.

As to the rest of your post, that was the 19th Century, so resetting borders to some arbitrary point just because in the 20th Century your resurrected some tinpot irredentist claim to the Falkland Islands is what is utterly illogical - particularly when you have to lie and bend the truth to make such a claim.

#32 is about the only sensible thing you said.

I'll ignore Marco as I won't bother rebutting his illogical rants across multiple pages.
34 Marco (#) Aug 18th, 2010 - 01:42 am Report abuse
Justin,those facts that you are ignoring are from the falklands gov. official site.Do you need help to find it?
35 JustinKuntz (#) Aug 18th, 2010 - 07:58 am Report abuse
No Marco, its you I'm ignoring.

So some officials are immigrants, those who hold office were democratically elected. I notice you ignore those who were native born.

Like Bill Luxton for example, whose family emigrated in the 1840s. When your fascist thugs invaded in 1982, they dragged him onto a plane and threw him out of his homeland.

Now suppose we went to Argentina and repatriated anyone whose roots were shorter than that, how many people would be left? About 2.

And Argie,

I suggest you read the UNCLOS about the delineation of EEZ, it does not enable you to cobble together a claim on land that is already occupied.

Seeing as you mention UNCLOS, any chance you'll return certain islands to Uruguay that you stole in the 19th Century.
36 Rhaurie-Craughwell (#) Aug 18th, 2010 - 12:04 pm Report abuse
hmm Argie I think your takling through your arse in a big manner? Lost more than you gained ho hum?

The current landmass of Argentina is 2,766,891 km2 , if we exclude the 80% that is patagonia (I'm being generous I haven't included the Chacos and Pampas) we have about 500 km? Are you telling me that some time in the past present day Argentina managed to lose 2,313,512.8 Km2??????????????

As for New Zealand, nothing could be further from the truth, the Mauri's are still there in large numbers have their tribal lands, and their language has equal status with English, Has Argentina afforded equal language status with first nation peoples?

The thing about the conquest of the desert was the fact that an entire series of cultures was wiped of the face of the planet, not many young nations can boast of such an achievement? The point we get at is that you lot bang on about “Squatters” and illegal settlers in the Falklands and ignore your own origins. Its not a viable argument and you know it!
37 Marco (#) Aug 18th, 2010 - 09:26 pm Report abuse
Justin, It is true than in Argentina many inmigrants came from Europe, including UK, however none claim any part of Argentina territory for their country of origin.
38 Rhaurie-Craughwell (#) Aug 18th, 2010 - 09:55 pm Report abuse
My mistake that should be the very modest sum of 500,000 km2, not 500 :)

Marco Falklander's didn't claim the islands for the motherland, it is their motherland, shall I erect that in 50 foot tall letters and paint it bright luminescence pink?

Lets recap on your history Marco, European settlers did claim what constitutes present day Argentina in the name of the motherland, Spain! Or did Argentina magically fall from the sky? And lets not forget the Pampas, Chacos and Patagonia all claimed in the name of Argentina?

So why the hissy fit when British eccentrics decided to feel at home in barren remote windswept Antarctic islands 2 days boat ride away?
39 Marco (#) Aug 18th, 2010 - 10:16 pm Report abuse
British can live anywhere they want, including Argentina. Republica Argentina is an independent South American nation for the last 200 years. Our people is a mix of natives and europeans, including British, however all of us are Argentinians and we are not claiming any land in Europe nor europeans immigrants claim any land in Argentina for Spain, England , Wales, Italy, Germany or whatever they came from. They are welcome to come not to take our land.About the race card that you play quite often, let me tell you that I was born in a city named to honour an Englishman.The name has not changed.
40 harrier61 (#) Aug 18th, 2010 - 10:49 pm Report abuse
Marco. Slight problem, old boy. No Republica Argentina until 1853! I make that 157 years. I'm afraid your bicentennial was a little previous, old chap!
41 Marco (#) Aug 18th, 2010 - 10:53 pm Report abuse
You missed the big party harrier! may 25 2010, 200 years young!
42 Rhaurie-Craughwell (#) Aug 18th, 2010 - 10:56 pm Report abuse
Marco your being simplistic far to simplistic.

Did it ever occur to you that those who wanted to move to Argentina wanted to live in Argentina and perhaps become Argentine? wholly different argument mate, and would be relevant if we were talking about sucession.

But were not we are talking about whether Argentina can legally and morally force a seperate culture, people and country who have developed over a period of 200 years in a separate geographical and administrative unit to that of Argentina to become a part of state they clearly and have continually expressed not to be a part of?

As for the race card, don't play that with me mate, it's almost like saying “some of my best friends are black”.
43 Marco (#) Aug 19th, 2010 - 12:40 am Report abuse
Rhaurie-Craughwell
The truth is simple, Malvinas is in South America not Europe.
The large majority of europeans immigrants never become argentinian citizens, they never were forced too and they had the same rights like anybody else, except to claim any land of our republic to their country of origin.
About some of my friends are...
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4779479.stm
44 avargas2001 (#) Aug 19th, 2010 - 02:07 am Report abuse
apparenly in a few more years british here will say fakland came from UK, ho no wait they already believe that. LOL
“The name Warrah is simply a corruption of the term aguará which means ‘fox’ in Guaraní”
wait how can we hide that ? the name warrah will do, and Islas Malvinas can be named after the fakland island holdings, sounds about right.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_Holdings
45 Hoytred (#) Aug 19th, 2010 - 05:33 am Report abuse
Well now it's a funny old thing Marcos, but while the Falklands are in the Southern Hemisphere are they part of South America?

According to the Lisbon Treaty they're part of the EU and therefore part of Europe!

Now, how close do you have to be to the South American continent to be part of South America?

Confused? Well yes ...... of course you are :-)
46 Think (#) Aug 19th, 2010 - 06:43 am Report abuse
(45) Hoyt

You say:
According to the Lisbon Treaty they're part of the EU and therefore part of Europe!

The European Union says:
There are 20 overseas countries and territories (OCTs) which are linked to Denmark, France, the Netherlands and the UK and are associated with the EU.
Their nationals are in principle EU citizens, even though the OCT's ARE NOT PART OF THE EU or directly subject to EU law...... ”
ec.europa.eu/development/geographical/regionscountries/regionscountriesocts_en.cfm

Who do you expect us to believe? :-)
47 Hoytred (#) Aug 19th, 2010 - 08:02 am Report abuse
“ ... and are associated with the EU. Their nationals are in principle EU citizens...”

Believe yourself :-)
48 JustinKuntz (#) Aug 19th, 2010 - 08:08 am Report abuse
Marco, I don't care if you were born on the moon. If you continue to utter racist statements or statements based on race then you'll be labelled a racist.

The Falkland Islands were never part of Argentina, it didn't even exist in 1690 when John Strong claimed the islands for Britain, it didn't exist when Britain established a permanent presence in 1765, it protested vigorously when Argentina declared Vernet Governor in 1829 and it acted with great restraint in 1833 when it politely asked the Argentine garrison to depart.

Now a great deal of the dispute between Britain and Argentina can easily be explained by the way Vernet played both sides off against each other. What is stupid is a supposedly democratic Argentina continuing to push a claim that is full of lies and half-truths and continue to exploit base human instincts of prejudice against other cultures. Its naked racism, that simple.

And Think you can pick up on other people the day you can substaniate any of your outlandish claims.
49 Think (#) Aug 19th, 2010 - 09:25 am Report abuse
(47) Hoyt

For your kind info:

Overseas Countries and Territories (OCT,s) ARE NOT PART OF THE EU or directly subject to EU law...... ”
ec.europa.eu/development/geographical/regionscountries/regionscountriesocts_en.cfm
50 Hoytred (#) Aug 19th, 2010 - 09:31 am Report abuse
Think, it would appear that your quote contradicts itself..... but I note the word 'directly' ... sothat would mean that they are 'indirectly' subject to EU law?
51 Think (#) Aug 19th, 2010 - 10:47 am Report abuse
Ask the EU mate..........
52 LegionNi (#) Aug 19th, 2010 - 10:58 am Report abuse
Think - I'm not really sure what your point is regards the Lisbon Treaty and wether the Falkland Islanders are considered EU citizens or not.

Surely the only relevant point is that the Lisbon Treaty, signed and ratified by all members of the EU, recognises the Falkland Islands as an over seas territoty of the UK. That is international recognition of sovereignty.

Can Argentina claim any international treaty recognition of it's claim?
53 JustinKuntz (#) Aug 19th, 2010 - 11:44 am Report abuse
I notice that yet again Think has distracted everyone from his basic inability to answer awkward questions, or to substantiate any outlandish statement he makes. Yet he feels he can criticise and nitpick on others comments, this is called hubris and hypocrisy.

You're better served picking him up on that, than trying to answer. He isn't interested in the answer, only picking a fight and grand standing on Argentina's claims.
54 harrier61 (#) Aug 19th, 2010 - 12:05 pm Report abuse
@40. Didn't miss anything worth anything. “Celebration” of 157 years of lies! Why is this no surprise.

Hoytred. Try this
europeangeostrategy.ideasoneurope.eu/2010/03/07/the-falklands-the-european-unions-antarctic-key/
55 Hoytred (#) Aug 19th, 2010 - 01:22 pm Report abuse
Thanks harrier ... the piece reflects my take on the situation.
56 Rhaurie-Craughwell (#) Aug 19th, 2010 - 01:39 pm Report abuse
“The truth is simple, Malvinas is in South America not Europe”

Do you take me for an idiot, who says that the Falklanders are claiming that the Falklands are part of Europe? you per chance? No they merley say they are Falkland Islanders and British, identity is who you perceive yourself to be, not a bunch of ecnomically and democratically illiterate disguised Spaniards 400km away across the ocean! As the Wellington once said when someone called him the greatess Irish man alive “Just because a Cat is born in a stable that does not make it a horse does it?”

“The large majority of europeans immigrants never become argentinian citizens”
So 98% of Argentina comprises illegal immigrants does it then? At least we agree on something?

“They never were forced too and they had the same rights like anybody else, except to claim any land of our republic to their country of origin”

What you blethering on about boy? I never said they were forced to eejit! But they emigrated out of their own free will didn't they? That analogy would work perfectly if the Patagonian Welsh declared independence right now, but we're not talking about secession are we!!!

The real issue is about whether Argentina can legally and morally force a separate culture, people and country who have developed over a period of 200 years in a separate geographical and administrative unit to that of Argentina to become a part of state they clearly and have continually expressed not to be a part of? That's imperialism plain and simply disguised under the cloak of benevolent anti-Imperialism!

Avagarse, either you made a terryfyingly bad attempt at wit or you are a retard of unfathomable idiocy, do you think perhaps the Falklands company was named so because it was based in the Falklands?

From Wikipedia: ”The Falkland Islands Company (FIC), was incorporated in 1851 and received its Royal Charter on 10 January 1852” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_Company
57 Marco (#) Aug 19th, 2010 - 03:43 pm Report abuse
56 Rhaurie-Craughwell (#)
“Do you take me for an idiot, who says that the Falklanders are claiming that the Falklands are part of Europe?”

Well... hoytred think that Malvinas Argentinas are in Europe(may be he drunk to much alcohol?

hoytred“According to the Lisbon Treaty they're part of the EU and therefore part of Europe!”

MercoPress reported the observations of Brazil's president Lula da Silva on 24th February:

“Our attitude is one of solidarity with Argentina,” said the Brazilian president adding the question: “What is the geographical, political and economic explanation for England to be in the Malvinas?”

“What is the explanation for the United Nations never having that decision? It is not possible that Argentina is not the owner while England is, despite being 14,000 km away.”

Malvinas Argentinas and Sudamericanas!
58 JustinKuntz (#) Aug 19th, 2010 - 03:57 pm Report abuse
England is not in the Falklands,

The Falklands are occupied by people who were born there.

What possible reason could anyone have for ignoring the origin of the people living there.

Answer: They're racist fuckwits.
59 PomInOz (#) Aug 19th, 2010 - 04:07 pm Report abuse
57 Marco: so what that the Brazillian president said what he did. Chavez also came out with some highly amusing remarks recently, supporting Argentina. Leaving aside Chavez, you'll find that most of (if not all) the other South American countries give verbal support to Argentina, but generally because they know that Argentina will throw its usual hissy fit if they don't and they're fed up with having to constantly soothe Argentine ruffled feathers.
A far more accurate picture of these other South American countries' attitude is the fact that the British destroyers that protect the Falklands (principally its EEZ from illegal fishing vessel, but also in the very unlikely circumstances that Argentina tries anything on) always go on goodwill visits to the likes of Brazil and Chile and are welcomed with open arms (that is, the things attached to your handses, not the things that kill you!).
60 Marco (#) Aug 19th, 2010 - 05:33 pm Report abuse
Justin,“The Falklands are occupied by people who were born there.”

Justin, Finally I agree with you on something, the islands are occupied(illegally though), and about they were born there...well...

The real islanders? Malvinas is an old colony of the broke British empire

Governor Mr Alan Huckle, british and former Governor of Anguilla.

The Honourable Keith Biles JP
Speaker of the Legislative Assembly

Keith Biles was a member of the overseas staff of a major international British bank for 25 years, living and working in many parts of the world.

He arrived in the Falkland Islands in 1995 to take up the appointment as manager of the local branch of the bank.

Falkland Islands Government Chief Executive, Dr Tim Thorogood
Timothy “Tim” Rupert Thorogood (born 15 May 1962) is the current Chief Executive of the Falkland Islands.
Thorogood was born in Barbados and spent time as a child in the Falklands, where his father worked for Cable & Wireless.
Not to mention that a former gov. official was born in Argentina, very nice lady though.
61 PomInOz (#) Aug 19th, 2010 - 06:13 pm Report abuse
60, Marco: Right, seriously now. Your re-re-re-repetitive comments on the Governor, Speaker and CE of the Falkland Islands show a clear lack of understanding of the constitutional and democratic institutions of the Falkland Islands.
I would recommend - since you lot seem to like it so much - wikipediaing “British Constitutional Monarchy”, as a start off point...
Wait, hang on...! I seem to remember posting this before...I must be turning into an ignorant Argentine!!
62 harrier61 (#) Aug 19th, 2010 - 06:48 pm Report abuse
Hold on there, Pom. There are words in there with 5 syllables!
63 PomInOz (#) Aug 19th, 2010 - 07:02 pm Report abuse
62, harrier61: Oopps, sorry! I do try my best to make it simple for the Argentines, but they make it clear, post by post, that simplicity is far too advanced for their simple minds!
64 zethe (#) Aug 19th, 2010 - 07:24 pm Report abuse
“Governor Mr Alan Huckle, british and former Governor of Anguilla.”
Like we have said, on countless occasions. It's a ceremonial placement. Canada, Austrailia and New Zeland also have one.
65 JustinKuntz (#) Aug 19th, 2010 - 07:29 pm Report abuse
Marco,

You are a former Spanish colony that achieved independence through violent revolution.

The Falklands are a former colony, with devolved Government, that choses to retain a relationship with the home country, largely it has to be said because of the aggressive neighbour on its doorstep who's already invaded once.

You keep bringing up that some officials are emigres, so what, they chose to live there. They are elected by the people and one of them used to be a lady born in Argentina. Notably she wanted no truck with Argentina, nor do the Argentine expats living in the Falklands.

Do you actually have any original thought?

The question:

How can one settle ones' existing differences and leave an issue unresolved?

We'll take the continued deafening silence as acknowledgement of you inability to face the awful truth you've been lied to.
66 PomInOz (#) Aug 19th, 2010 - 07:44 pm Report abuse
65, Justin, I had a thought (singular, I know!) about an hour ago about how I should respond to Marco's re-re-re-re-re-repitive posts on the Governor, Speaker, CE. Then I realised that, like trying to post on the hsitorical argument, it's of no use whatsoever.
67 JustinKuntz (#) Aug 19th, 2010 - 08:15 pm Report abuse
Sadly I don't think he can, think that is.
68 Marco (#) Aug 19th, 2010 - 09:03 pm Report abuse
I will feel ashamed to be governed by Mr Alan Huckle, british and former Governor of Anguilla. At least tell your old queen back home to send you a former governor of a more important british colony, since you guys are so important and intelligent...kelpers
69 JustinKuntz (#) Aug 19th, 2010 - 09:14 pm Report abuse
There we have it in a nutshell, what lies under it all.

“Kelpers”

Pure naked racism. The classic fascist ploy. Well the Nazis did find a refuge in Argentina. Pathetic isn't it, simply pathetic.
70 Islander1 (#) Aug 19th, 2010 - 09:57 pm Report abuse
Marco, I know this is a futile waste of time as many have pointed out to you and others before the simple fact:
The Governor and Chief Executive do NOT have a vote in our Elected Govt. The Governor does not even presde during most sessions - he may officially “open” them and make a speech - just the same as the Queen does to Parliament in UK - he then leaves and the Speaker then prsides and keeps good democratcic order(I expect you have the equivalent to him as well in your Chamber?). But also he has NO vote.
The Chief Executive is the Civil Sevice Head - he runs the civil service and day to day Govt and sits in many planning and advisory bodies - but and he runs the administration to the wishes and rules of our elected members - not his.
As for the past genocide in Patagonia, triple alliance wars and also some pretty shady british affairs in the past I agree - all we are saying is that Argentina also has a dirty murky past as well if you look hard enough!
We are concerned more with today - like the IJC when it ruled the other week that Kosovo also has the right of democratic self determination- over - that of claimed territorial integrity. Hey - Kosovo has only been going for 10 years or so it gets that right from the IJC - we have been here for 177 - no problems our side.
Sorry a couple of spelling errors before - the word is presides!
As for the support of all these S American countries - yup - that is why they call us “Falkland Islands” I guess on all trade documents is it?
You must realise surely that even if relations improved,no Argentine Airline would ever fly here - because to do so it would have to deal proffessionally with and sort all the paperwork with who? - NOT London - but the Falkland Islands Dept of Civil Aviation - and since Arg says our Govt does not exist - there would be a problem! You see WE govern OUR Islands
71 zethe (#) Aug 19th, 2010 - 10:04 pm Report abuse
Marco, again you miss the point entirely. They are not governed by Alan Huckle, it's a ceremonial title. Much like the ones in Canada Australia and New Zeland.

They are governed by the falklands island government.
72 Rhaurie-Craughwell (#) Aug 19th, 2010 - 10:50 pm Report abuse
I would feel ashamed personally if I was in a country where the executive and head of the legislative branch were both Husband and wife? And the Husband even leads several trade and supranational organizations? You have real power and authority in the hands of frighteningly few people who have direct acess to legislating bodies?
Not even the Queen can boast of such power and authority!
73 Marco (#) Aug 20th, 2010 - 01:14 am Report abuse
Well, I may like or not my president, however I can vote for her or not.
But I don't have to bow to any old lady nor Governor from Anguilla or the town of Stanley.
74 zethe (#) Aug 20th, 2010 - 01:46 am Report abuse
Marco, again you miss the point entirely. They are not governed by Alan Huckle, it's a ceremonial title. Much like the ones in Canada Australia and New Zeland.

They are governed by the falklands island government, whom they vote for. There is no bowing.
75 JustinKuntz (#) Aug 20th, 2010 - 07:45 am Report abuse
Marco, doesn't wish to get the point, he merely wishes to spout propaganda. He is not willing to either listen or learn and he is a racist knob. Don't give him the time of day.
76 harrier61 (#) Aug 20th, 2010 - 11:24 am Report abuse
Marco. Bet you bow before backing on to the door knob!!
77 Marco (#) Aug 20th, 2010 - 03:40 pm Report abuse
Don't forget to bow to Mr. Governor of Anguilla...sorry now Stanley...slaves
78 avargas2001 (#) Aug 20th, 2010 - 04:58 pm Report abuse
I checked, there is no fakland island country only a fakland island holding company with 3000 illegal aliens from britain in Malvinas Argentinas, according to international laws and UN britain and Argentina have a pending Islas Malvinas issue to resolve, maybe the UK prime minister thinks he is above the UN as the illegal aliens in Malvinas, but that is no the case here.
and who are the pirats and illegal aliens ?
well here is just ones of them and this is his story.

www.fsa.gov.uk/pubs/final/darwin_clifton.pdf
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_Falkland_Islanders
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_Holdings

There is no country called fakland only a company, now I have to ask all my ignorant british subjects, what came first the chicken or the egg ? I heard the name fakland was invented after malouines from the french name to Islas Malvinas, and this is is why you are all confuced, and they are not a separate ethnic group they are british subjects, according to their own made up constitution they are subjected to the queens dictatorship, it's in the first 5 line of said constitution.
stating that the queens “orders as follows”
www.falklands.gov.fk/assembly/documents/The%20Falkland%20Islands%20Constitution%20Order%202008.pdf
79 harrier61 (#) Aug 20th, 2010 - 05:52 pm Report abuse
Tell us, gassy, do you have trouble with the word “falkland”? I never heard of fakland either. Just like I never heard of argland, argia or pratland. But surely you are an expert because, after all, you live in pratland, don't you?

Dear God, the state of education in 4th world territories!!
80 JustinKuntz (#) Aug 20th, 2010 - 06:34 pm Report abuse
I am utterly convinced avargas2001 is on crystal meth.
81 Islander1 (#) Aug 20th, 2010 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
Gassy, how come all other S American nations use the word FALKLANDS on standard Govt Documentation when they trade with us? And Spain translated the French Malouines in to Malvinas - you could not even come up with a name of your own. The name Falkland Islands comes from the the head(a Lord Falkland) of the Royal Navy in 1690 when the British made the first ever documented landing on the islands - some 120 years before you even became the Independent Plate Privinces - let alone Argentina as it is today.
Marcos - still waiting for your answer to me - but I guess you just simply dont even want to try and understand the difference between and elected president and a Monarch in a democracy. Basically an elected president runs their country inconjunction with their cabinet or similar- a Monarch in a democracy signs the laws and can offer advice but they do NOT make them nor can they refuse to accept them - the laws and Govt comes from the elected primeminister and cabinet. It is just DIFFERENT - but in no way is it any less democratic.
82 Marco (#) Aug 20th, 2010 - 10:16 pm Report abuse
Ok islander, but the former Governor of Anguilla imposed to you is or not the Governor of your islands?
And an honest question to you, do you like that?
83 Hoytred (#) Aug 20th, 2010 - 11:51 pm Report abuse
Quite right - the Governor does NOT Govern !
84 zethe (#) Aug 21st, 2010 - 01:01 am Report abuse
It only took above 20 posts before he finally got it.
85 Islander1 (#) Aug 21st, 2010 - 01:30 am Report abuse
You hit it on the nail Marco! Correct he does NOT Govern the Islands - WE the people elect our Government which makes the laws, just like you do- the Governor merely signs them on behalf of the Queen, he has no vote. He has a titular title only in 2010.
The ONLY time he can take power and intervene on behalf of UK is if our elected Govt suddenely got very corrupt and undemocratic and ignored public calls to correct itself.

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