Wednesday, September 15th 2010 - 05:44 UTC

Argentine militants demand return of Falklands’ war booty docked in Buenos Aires

Argentine extreme militants belonging to a self proclaimed “Patriotic resistance” have taken over the Panama flagged Audax II docked in the port of Buenos Aires, which they allege was originally Argentine but lost to the British during the 1982 Falkland Islands conflict.

The Audax II, originally the “Yehuin” covered in graffiti (Pic El Malvinense)

The vessel, a 494 tons oil tender, under the name of “Yehuin” apparently participated in the Falklands conflict, but at the end of hostilities and when Argentine troops surrendered was requisitioned by the British , “and later sold to a company, having changed its name and flagging”.

Because of its operations for the Cintra company, the vessel over the weekend arrived in Buenos Aires, where the extremist group was waiting to take it over. Simultaneously the group under the leadership of Juan Antonio Lopez presented a demand before a federal court “demanding its recovery for Argentina”.

“We request the immediate intervention so that the government of Argentina proceeds to impede the departure of the vessel to international waters and orders its immediate requisition since it is a vessel of great symbolic and patriotic value”, according to the demand presented to Federal Judge Maria Servini de Cubría.

Apparently since 1999 there’s a decree waiting to be signed declaring the Yehuin naval heritage, which was later to be supported by a Congressional bill. However none of this has happened.
 

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1 Cadfael (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 06:54 am Report abuse
Just what heroic deed did this mighty vessel do to make it SO important?
2 PomInOz (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 07:12 am Report abuse
It was a small oil tanker that risked the exclusion zones and was captured by British forces a day after the surrender of the Argentine forces on the Falklands. It's now owned by an Argentine company, but Panamanian-flagged. So, these idiots have taken over an Argentine-owned vessel to have it returned to Argentine ownership! Brilliant!
3 Cadfael (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 07:51 am Report abuse
Yup, that sounds par for the course!!
What a bunch of numpties!
LMAO!!
4 Billy Hayes (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 10:35 am Report abuse
PomInOz, you dissapoint me, I tought you were intelligent enough to see real intentions beyond this act. Do your homework please.
5 Harrier (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 10:39 am Report abuse
Pom. It's better than you think. Cintra is a Spanish company.
6 Beef (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 11:19 am Report abuse
A group of Argentine extremists, fighting for Argentine interests, by blocking an Argentine ship, that is bringing Argentina business.

No that displays the standard of the Argentine education system.

Why don't they pilot the ship in to Falkland Islands waters to protest againt the oil exploration?

Some extremist have no balls these days!
7 JoJo (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 11:29 am Report abuse
This ship was locally known as the Black Pig. It was here throughout the war, and was amongst other duties reputedly used to bury deceased Argentine soldiers out at sea to avoid having lots of burial ceremonies here towares the end of the conflict. Not exactly heroic and patriotic duty!
8 JustinKuntz (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 11:47 am Report abuse
You can imagine the scene.

“We demand this ship is returned to Argentina!”

“Err, it is Argentine owned.”

“Oh bugger....trash it anyway.”

Shame really the old Black Pig was looking quite smart before that.

The Yehuin was decked out as a Hospital Ship, with Red Crosses. When it was captured
9 PomInOz (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 12:09 pm Report abuse
Billy Hayes (post 4): Errm...real intentions behind their actions? Nope, you've got me there! So, please do tell, what are their real intentions?
10 Billy Hayes (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 12:37 pm Report abuse
Nop my friend; don´t expect from me to tell you that thing; you must do your research; don´t expect to find what is the reality of the situation only reading news. And please don´t call people you don´t know & that do actions you don´t understand (yet) as idiots.
11 JustinKuntz (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 01:05 pm Report abuse
In other words, you don't have a clue.

If someone trashes an Argentine ship, owned by Argentines, in Argentina demanding it be returned to Argentina what do you call them?

Apparently in Argentina, “gifted”.
12 PomInOz (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 01:07 pm Report abuse
Oooooh...a mystery! How exciting!
Or is it just that there really is nothing else to this story, apart from a bunch of inept Malvinistas terrorists whose actions you're trying to justify after the event?!
13 Argie (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 01:20 pm Report abuse
I'd suggest militants to rather go to the islands and capture the airport. Click the link to read something that suggests that it not only can be done but that the British would not have a chance to recover it back...

www.thefirstpost.co.uk/68611,news-comment,news-politics,britain-is-likely-to-lose-a-second-falklands-war-to-argentina

Don't ask me. I know better.
14 luis vernet (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 01:25 pm Report abuse
Good day all, I think it is romantic in all nations, there are fundamentalists and progressives, but this does not disqualify the evolution of a people, as the concept of higher or lower is invalid as applied to culture, there will always be those who are better and worse in different aspects, what today is called first world, as evidenced by the crisis that has its problems and serious, not Politis this criticism is inevitable even when talking about these issues, I would like to close with the following: 174 Malvinas ago years an open wound in society, I believe we must begin to understand and accept errors from both sides agree to this on a territory that is not their own and that the management of this situation was not the right of both sides, I believe in wisdom of the people, I think in time and believe in peace, I hope the day comes that we can look to the face without rancor and justice sovereign peoples. a cordial greeting.
15 Billy Hayes (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 01:40 pm Report abuse
Please Pom don't be afraid, they are not terrorist, leave terror for paranoid people, I'm sure you are not. Please don't let this situation to worry you, I understand that for a colonial subject all political activity is seeing with terror, but I'm sure you are intelligent enough to beat your fear.
16 Think (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 01:44 pm Report abuse
PomInOz

This was a supply ship used as ambulance during the conflict. Manned by civilian volunteers…. Did indeed save some lives.
www.ddghansa-shipsphotos.de/millerntor100.htm

2) The group that has taken the ship knows perfectly the nationality of the current owners.
They are contesting the logic and legality of the sale of “war booty” to privates and ”marketing” their cause….
The former owner of the ship is involved in this group too.
No real need to call them ”idiots” or “terrorists”…… unless you are trying to reach down to the lower common denominator in here :-)
17 PomInOz (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 02:34 pm Report abuse
Don't worry, Billy, I'm not worried, but thanks for your concern!
Think, as to your first point, yes, well, we all know that the Argentine forces then were very naughty with what they did with their hospital ships. However, I'm sure that what the ship and its crew did during the conflict was commendable. The vast majority of personnel who fight in a war (or in the case of this ship and its crew, risked sinking in the exclusion zone) deserve respect.
As to your second point, it's is a long-established principle in international law (I believe that it's called the Prize Rules or something like that) for captured enemy vessels to be retained by the victorious forces and pressed into service and/or sold thereafter. How is that it is only a bunch of rabid Argentines who protest this? Nobody else makes any issues over it. Hell, because of its maritime history, the British have probably had hundreds of its ships captured over the centuries and you don't hear us beating our chests about how unfair it all is! You take part in a war, you take the risks!
And, yes, they are idiots and they are terrorists - more properly, they are idiot terrorists!
18 Beef (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 03:00 pm Report abuse
If Argentina wants it's military hardware back then there are plenty of Argentine landmines that need to be re-patriated to Argentina.

Perhaps this so called patriotic group can sail to Stanley to pick them up?
19 Ale (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 03:00 pm Report abuse
Mr Huckle, Malvinas'colonial Governor made this comment:
“We all knew that it might make relations with Argentina more difficult but the potential prize made that a risk worth taking”, points out Huckle.

Why do you get surprised over this small reaction of argentine citizens?
“Play with fire and you will get burned”
20 PomInOz (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 03:17 pm Report abuse
Ale, what on earth are you alking about?! This is a bunch of Argentine idiots in Argentina, taking over an Argentine-owned ship, insisting that it be returned to Argentine ownership! It does not affect in any single way either Britain or the Falkland Islands. The Royal Navy sold the ship years ago.
We're not in the slightest bit surprised, as this is typical of the hysteria that the Falklands inspires in certain sections of Argentine society.
What it is, is frickin', tears-in-my-eyes, sides-hurting-through-laughing, hilarious!
21 Zethee (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 03:37 pm Report abuse
hilarious!
22 stick up your junta (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 03:58 pm Report abuse
Patriotic resistance,The 'People's Front of Judea, The 'Judean People's Front and 'Judean Popular People's Front' LOL

On a serious note they have ex special forces as members, or was that special needs LOL
23 Rufus (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 04:13 pm Report abuse
22 SIOYJ

“Splitter!”
24 Think (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 04:19 pm Report abuse
THIMC

A Constructed example in three stages…………..

Let’s suppose for a moment that the good hospital ship SS Uganda was seized by the Argentineans in the1982 conflict……………

Let’s suppose for a moment that after some years the Argentinean Government decides to sell the this old P&O cruising ship to a British Citizen………..

Let’s suppose for a moment that this British citizen decides to sail the good ship Uganda back into her home docks at Tilbury……..

Are you seriously saying that P&O and quite a few British people wouldn’t react?

Who is being hilarious?
25 stick up your junta (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 04:25 pm Report abuse
lighten up think, no Brit would be arsed going to that shithole Tilbury LOL
26 PomInOz (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 04:31 pm Report abuse
24, Think, that's just the way it goes in war sometimes. As I posted earlier, I suspect that there have been any number of British ships through history that were captured by the enemy and pressed into service and/or sold. If that ship happened to be purchased by a British company later on down the line, so be it. Nothing illegal there. That's just the rules of war. The British company that bought the vessel would have perfectly good title.
I really don't believe that the former owner of the vessel (who would have been compensated if it was a privately-owned vessel requisitioned by the Royal Navy) or any British people would be beating their chests about it.
The hilarious thing about this particular incident is that the demands of the idiots is that the vessel be returned to Argentine ownership, when it already is in Argentine ownership.
Come on, surely even you can see the funny side of it?!
27 Harrier (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 04:37 pm Report abuse
@17 Pom. The international law that you're thinking of is, I believe, the Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907 subscribing to Rules of Prize Warfare.
28 Beef (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 04:51 pm Report abuse
This whole escapade shows that some people need to complain about the standard of education they received. Perhaps these extremists should look for a way they can sue their education providers who have been complicit (by their ineptitude) in the attempt to recover a vessel for Argentina that is already Argentine owned!

You could't make this up if you tried!
29 khh (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 04:58 pm Report abuse
Let the Argies whinge & whine. The only time they have the guts to fight is when they realise there is only ONE WHITE FLAG LEFT!!
LOL a lot.
30 Think (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 05:05 pm Report abuse
THIMC

Seems to be that the case is closed

Those who many in here readily and wrongly called “idiots” and “terrorists” won their case…

The legislation that has been ready but shelved since 1999 will be applied, the owners of the ship will sell her to the State and Buenos Aires will have a new museum ship.
31 free.comment (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 05:09 pm Report abuse
It was bound to happen, Argentina have done it to themselves.
32 Billy Hayes (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 05:10 pm Report abuse
Think, perhaps your are right but all this discussion you bring is about a peripherical issue, anecdotical. The main issue here is the political act, it´s meaning, it´s purpose to put Malvinas issue in the public agenda, and to make this agrupation & their objetives known. Then if the Yehuin became a museum (as they are asking) or continue sailing under a panama flag is another history; who knows, that would be a political decition and perhaps in some point irrelevant.

As we are talking about public agenda and lobby allow me to invite you:

www.unla.edu.ar/espacios/obMalvinas/index.php
33 Zethee (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 05:19 pm Report abuse
“Let’s suppose for a moment that this British citizen decides to sail the good ship Uganda back into her home docks at Tilbury……..

Are you seriously saying that P&O and quite a few British people wouldn’t react?”

No, not really. Possibly a internet post or two, not anything this silly.

“Who is being hilarious?”
The argentinians in the post.
34 Billy Hayes (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 05:25 pm Report abuse
Please allow me to introduce you....“the terrorists”; those scary guys that worried so much our kelper mates in this forum.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri290kb4SdA&feature=player_embedded
35 Zethee (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 05:32 pm Report abuse
What makes you think anyone is scared, lol.

We don't care about your boat.
36 stick up your junta (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 05:38 pm Report abuse
Patriotic resistance
Terrorists or clowns? Either way the good old Junta knew how to deal with “ Terrorists ”
37 Think (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 06:50 pm Report abuse
(32) Bill Hayes

The main political issue is self-evident.
The “Intelligent Team” in here has gotten it……. and reacted.
The “Turnip Brigade” in here has not gotten it…….. and reacted.

Many thanks for the invitation…
Looks like an interesting Seminar…..
But I will still be abroad on those dates.
38 Zethee (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 07:11 pm Report abuse
Everyone got it think, doesn't stop it from being both stupid and funny.
39 Think (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 07:21 pm Report abuse
Stupid, funny and effective......
Think is happy....
40 Zethee (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 07:29 pm Report abuse
I guess we find is so silly because we don't get so attached to boats, we sell most of our used old boats off.

The only boat we would go nuts about would be the HMS Victory, but it's hard to compare the oldest ship in the world to...that.
41 Harrier (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
It's a con. The linked video is only one of those available. Another video shows these clowns being interviewed in front of news cameras ON BOARD.
Argentina's wish to retain a historical relic is of no interest to Britain or the Falkland Islands.
Incidentally, I have found a photograph of the vessel showing that it did not satisfy the conditions for being an ambulance or hospital vessel.
42 stick up your junta (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 08:38 pm Report abuse
Think is happy

I doubt it some how, it shows you Argies for the Idiots you are when the Falklands affect your brains
43 Beef (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 09:45 pm Report abuse
Can't say I have heard of your University Billy? Is it any good?

To provide a balanced discourse you would need to include an argument that is counter to Argentina's claim? Doubt one of these sessions raises this. Looks like these speakers will need a lesson in critical evaluation; I could send you one of my first year post docs if you wish?
44 Think (#) Sep 15th, 2010 - 10:42 pm Report abuse
(43) Beef

Some lecturer you are…………..
I guess that if you where the organizer of an AIDS conference you would allot equal speaking time to Manta Tshabalala-Mismang, Robert C. Gallo and Joseph Ratzinger in the sacred name of Balanced Discourse? :-)
45 Billy Hayes (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 02:08 am Report abuse
Beef, don´t be jealous; I invite you too. It´s my fault, I didn´t imagine that you are so anxious to attend this seminar; I´m sure you will give some good lessons there.
46 PomInOz (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 03:34 am Report abuse
If it is true that Argentina will force a sale of the vessel to the Argentine State then this is yet another example of Argentina abrogating international law.
It's still funny though!!
47 Think (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 05:21 am Report abuse
(46) PomInOz
I’m kind of losing confidence in your abilities as a lawyer in criminal and international matters….

First you happily stamp a bunch of totally peaceful political activists (a video has been posted where they dialogue with the press, state authorities and ship owners under the action) as terrorists!

Your “so called terrorists” succeed with their action, get everything they asked and hoped for and go home to a barbie………… That’s not funny……………. That’s great!

Then you take a very local matter of a “more or less voluntarily” sale of as ship with some historic value from an Argentinean company to the Argentinean State to be converted into a museum and declare it to be an “Abrogation of International Law”

:-o ???
48 Beef (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 05:31 am Report abuse
Think - FYI I have attended plenty of health conferences in Africa to deal with the AIDS issue. Last one was in Nairobi last Feb where a bunch of us in the field explored models to maximse the distribution of Anti retro-virals. When I was there spent a day over in Kampala and had a jolt nice time.

Your comparison of disease that is killing millions of the worlds poorest with a stupid and infantile Argentine nationalistic and political issue is deeply disrespectful.

I guess that I am more of a Marxist than you are then.
49 PomInOz (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 05:46 am Report abuse
47, Think, I don't particularly care what your opinion of me is. Any person who has a different opinion to you is called a “turnip”. Whilst you may not be as foul-mouthed as some of the Argentine commentators here, essentially you're the same as them.
Anyway, in relation to the points that you make, regardless of the level of force used, any person or group who does use force to achieve their aims is a terrorist. This lot just happen to be an inept bunch of terrorists.
Secondly, the owners of the vessel bought it in the expectation under international law (the Prize Rules/Hague Conventions) that they would get good title to the vessel. Under these international treaty rules, the vessel should not be taken from their ownership irrespective of whether they “more or less” agree to it. It is also an accepted part of international law that a nation should not introduce legislation that is aimed specifically at a particular individual (or company) in order to penalise it for an action that was in no way illegal at the time that it carried out that action (the purchase of the vessel). Following on from this, it goes without saying that legislation should not be introduced that has retrospective effect.
50 Think (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 06:29 am Report abuse
(48) Beef
And why do you “Think” I used precisely the AIDS example (NOT a comparison) and mentioned Mrs. Tshabalala?

You evidently got my point about the “huge limitations” and “inherent dangerousness” of applying that ”balanced discourse” dogma everywhere.

(49) PomInOz
1) That part about the “Turnips” is not true and you know it.

2) Your personal definition of a “terrorist” is quite worrying!

3) I can’t follow all that “lawyer talk” …. But it sounds just like that to me…..
51 Beef (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 07:00 am Report abuse
Think - it is only through balanced discourse that reliable conclusions Canberra reached. History is full of events that demonstrate the danger of pre-determined conclusions (in many fields).

Thalidamide is one such example in pharmacology.

Just funny that it appears that an Argentine who voiced an opinion that is counter to the Argentine claim would be labelled as non-patriotic and not given a forum to voice their theoretical perspective.

I suppose when children are taught things like the Malvinas March it is clear that such dichotomy is not tolerated in Argentina.

Is this approach modeled on East Germany or the Soviet examples?
52 Think (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 07:50 am Report abuse
(51) Beef
How could any thinking person disagree with any of your points at (51)

However your post (43) started being openly sarcastic and ended being insufferable patronizing.
Hardly the way to communicate.

That’s the reason for my interference……

Taking into account recent British legislation about Terrorism, Libel, CCTV surveillance etc. and the opinion expressed above by a British lawyer (PomInOz) about what constitutes terrorism, it seems to me that Argentina tolerates much more “dichotomy” and “dissent” than the United Kingdom.

I do wish you would stop calling social progressive forces in South America for marxists and repeatedly comparing them with communist dictatorships.
That’s quite disrespectful and could be easily interpreted as a high degree of close-mindedness and “Besserwisserheit”

Respectfully
Think
53 Beef (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 09:27 am Report abuse
We all get tired at times Think and this limits objectivity. However it is frustrating that the same worn out argument peddled by the ideotic few keep getting recycled and has no basis with current values.

Even the Argentine government struggles to keep a consistent message e.g worries about the environmental impact of drilling followed by an announcement that they have approved drilling in December.

It is about time that Argentina dropped the nationalistic approach and thought of ways to co-exist and collaborate with the FI. Unfortunaly the
Argentine government is using the Islands as a political card in the rum up the 2011 election. This is insulting to the Islanders, the Argentine population and wastes precious time and money at forums like the UN when there are more pressing and needy issues in the world.
54 PomInOz (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 10:08 am Report abuse
Think, my comments about these numpties being a bunch of incompetent terrorists has nothing to do with not being able to cope with any dissent. By using the word “terrorist” I was using it in its proper context, not just after the word was hijacked (!) 10 years ago.
However, what I see as a lawless act, which the Argentine Government will no doubt let these idiots get away with, you see as acceptable.
If you want to live in a country that lets illegal acts go unpunished, well that's your choice. It's fine as long as the illegal acts correspond with your own way of thinking and you're seen as an ally of the Government. On the other hand, if you oppose this particular Argentine Government, it does seem that you won't go unpunished, even if you've done nothing illegal.
Sounds like a dictatorship to me.
55 stick up your junta (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 11:05 am Report abuse
Taking into account recent British legislation about Terrorism, Libel, CCTV surveillance etc.

I dont belive that the Argies are fit to comment on the best way to combat terrorism
www.democracynow.org/2006/11/16/argentine_torture_survivor_patricia_isasa_returns
56 Pheel (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 11:17 am Report abuse
PomInOz
“ Whilst you may not be as foul-mouthed as some of the Argentine commentators here... ”

What about of the lot of disrespectful, foul mouthed brits that insult here?
So called ”turnips¨.
57 Zethee (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 11:27 am Report abuse
It's not the british posters who are constantly having there comments removed due to foul language pheel.

We do have the odd person say something rude sometimes but it is nothing compaired to the majority of the Argentine posters.

Although, thats not to say that you are all like it.
58 JustinKuntz (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 11:43 am Report abuse
Ah Think, haven't noticed the British Government trying to shut down the local media for being “off-message”. The irony of whining about being sarcastic and patronising can't be allowed to pass without comment. Your contributions are solely sarcastic and patronising, particularly when you're faced with those awkward questions you like to ignore.
59 stick up your junta (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 01:12 pm Report abuse
back on topic

Falkland Islands Company ships seized by the Argentine Navy


ARA Forrest - armed coaster:. The ship was involved in harbour duties until the end of the war.
ARA Penelope - schooner: Spotted by ARA Bahía Buen Suceso at Speedwell Island and seized by an Argentine crew on 7 May
ARA Monsunen - armed coaster
60 Billy Hayes (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 01:24 pm Report abuse
Poor Mr. Stick he say that his words are about the topic but I say that he hasn´t understand what is happening.
61 PomInOz (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 01:37 pm Report abuse
60, Billy, actually I think that STUJ is bang on with what he's saying. These were 3 vessels belonging to the Falkland Islands Company that were seized by the Argentine forces when they invaded in 1982. These 3 vessels were then used by the Argentine forces against the British forces. There we go. That's what happens.
Argentina, on the other hand, goes to war against the UK but then, when it actually comes to what happens in a war, like vessels and equipment being seized by the opposing side, doesn't like it, screams that it's sooooo unfair, spits the dummy out, tears the legs of its teddy bear and is still crying like a little baby 28 years on.
62 stick up your junta (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 01:39 pm Report abuse
Sorry Billy
Was it about Argie idiots claiming back something owned by Argentines
or spoils of war?
63 Billy Hayes (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 02:17 pm Report abuse
Perhaps it´s dificult for a colonial subject to understand a political act and political motivations, politic is more related with citizens, but please try it. Here, what you bring is anecdotical, those men are using the excuse of the boat to bring a political message. If you want to see only the surface of this matter it´s ok for me; but please don´t say that this is the topic; the topic here is the political message those men are trying to give to the argentine society.

Beef; only one thing about UNLa; the University is only where the seminar will take place but it´s not an academic seminar; it´s a political seminar, a lobbist seminar about argentine goals; we will debate how we achive our goals and I´m sure there will be different opinions about that.
64 Beef (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 02:39 pm Report abuse
If it not an academic seminar then it is a waste of time and resources! Not interested in attending as have an academic conference in Seoul in October.
65 Harrier (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 02:52 pm Report abuse
@63. If you think we missed the political “we'll be back” epithet painted on the vessel, you're wrong.

How will you come? As tourists? I'm sure the Falkland Islands Government will be glad to take your money.
As invaders? There's a few more than 80 troops there now.
66 Wireless (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 02:54 pm Report abuse
I find it quite funny that Billy Hayes (34) shows us a video where five nutters decide to add graffiti and Argentine Flags to a ship in Argentina, owned by and Argentine company. Particularly when the video clearly shows that an Argentine Flag is already flying on the ship (2 minutes 21 seconds) when they arrive.

Five nutters with a video camera decide to do something in Argentina and its big news there, the whole country must be 'gifted'.
67 Billy Hayes (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 03:30 pm Report abuse
W; the flag you are seing at 2.21m is the flag of the port; the flag of the nationality of the boat is at the stern, a panama flag.
68 Wireless (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 03:35 pm Report abuse
Were you one of the five gifted people involved?
69 Billy Hayes (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 03:56 pm Report abuse
Nop, but if you want I can get for you an autograph of one of them, perhaps from the leader.
70 stick up your junta (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 04:02 pm Report abuse
the topic here is the political message those men are trying to give to the argentine society

And what is that message billy?
71 Wireless (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 04:07 pm Report abuse
Sounds like its a small group, I'm not sure the autograph would have any value at auction, certainly not worth posting it to the UK.
Then again, any bit of paper with an Argentine signature on it serves a valuable purpose hanging on a nail in an outside toilet, certainly there's no other reason to obtain such signatures.
72 stick up your junta (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 04:11 pm Report abuse
The autograph would be in Crayon,from this special needs group
73 JustinKuntz (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 04:21 pm Report abuse
Billy,

Living in a democracy, we are well aware of what constitutes a peaceful protest. This is what we know as a political act. Damaging private property with graffiti, we label vandalism and a criminal act. One doesn't have to damage private property to make a political point.

Now boarding an Argentine owned vessel, in a Argentine harbour demanding it be returned to Argentina we call that making a prat of yourself.

I'm curious given the pompous statements made here, if the Argentines have any intention of returning the items they removed before waving the white flag. Like the historical flag removed from Government house.

We would have been happy to return the rather large and gaudy flag you flew at Government House, except that it blew away and ended up in South Atlantic - call it poetic justice.
74 Beef (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 04:42 pm Report abuse
Billy - we already have a peice of paper with an Argentine general's signature on it. If you want to see it you will find it in the Imperial War Museam with the word surrender on top of it!
75 fredbdc (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 05:07 pm Report abuse
Argentinians don't know the difference of a peaceful protest and a violent protest. Very often the unions illegally block streets, smash and deface private property and their members carry clubs to fight the police or anyone else they don't agree with. There is always some protest going on in BA. Right now the most protests are from students protesting no heat in the schools and the buildings collapsing around them. it is a mess. Usually when an economy is going well you don't see unrest. I wonder what's the real story.
76 Pheel (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 05:22 pm Report abuse
Fred, as usual commenting on Argentina without looking at home. I have so many stories to post about similar problems or reactions at US or UK, now or in recent history, but feel some shame of accusing anybody so lighty.
Let´s send some National Guards to put order into Arizona reservations, where the criminal ratios are similar to the worst in Latam. Bye.
77 Ale (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 06:14 pm Report abuse
Why this group of people are called terrorist for some here, the only “weapon” that I see in the video is an Argentine flag.
What about Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi's released thanks to
British Petroleum (BP), who pressured the Scottish government to send this terrorist home, convicted in the bombing of Pan-Am flight 103, en route from London's Heathrow Airport to New York, which fell from the skies over Lockerbie, Scotland in December, 1988.
78 PomInOz (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 06:33 pm Report abuse
77, Ale, there are very many definitions of the word “terrorist” and whether you accept whether a person or a group is a terrorist very much depends on your point of view.
However, the most accepted definition is someone who uses force or the threat of force to achieve a political or quasi-political end.
In this case, this bunch of no-hopers have forced their way on to property that does not belong to them and then caused damage to it.
If you agree with what they have done, then you're going to think them heroes (if somewhat mentally retarded heroes - it still makes me laugh!!). I, on the other hand, don't agree with what they have done. So, to me, they're a bunch of incompetent terrorists.
79 Ale (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 06:41 pm Report abuse
Did they terrorized or murdered anybody? no.
Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi's ? yes, hundreds.
80 Harrier (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 06:48 pm Report abuse
@77 Ale. I hope you have some proof of the assertions you made. If not, I believe you have just committed a criminal offence.
81 PomInOz (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 06:51 pm Report abuse
79, Ale, so what if they didn't kill anyone. They used force or the threat of force to achieve a political aim. Therefore, terrorists.
82 stick up your junta (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 07:25 pm Report abuse
By distinguishing terrorists from other types of criminals and terrorism from other forms of crime, we come to appreciate that terrorism is :
ineluctably political in aims and motives
violent – or, equally important, threatens violence
designed to have far-reaching psychological repercussions beyond the immediate victim or target
conducted by an organization with an identifiable chain of command or conspiratorial cell structure (whose members wear no uniform or identifying insignia) and
perpetrated by a subnational group or non-state entity

Sounds like them clowns
83 JustinKuntz (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 07:31 pm Report abuse
Ah I see.

Usually whenever anyone comments about Argentina, we're not allowed to do so because we're not Argentine and don't know anything about Argentina. But you feel fine talking crap about Scotland to take cheap shot at the UK.

And you're talking utter bollocks.

The British Government, then the Labour Party, put a lot of pressue on the Scottish Government, run by the Scottish National Party, NOT to release al-Megrahi. al-Megrahi was released on compassionate grounds, based on testimony from Scottish doctors that he had terminal cancer. Not an easy thing to predict how long it was survivable.

So your assertion the Scottish Government were pressued to release is a load of crap, as anyone would know had the Labour Party tried to presssure the SNP, the SNP would have gone straight to a free press to embarass them and delighted in doing so.

The decision to release al-Megrahi was a brave one, the man taking the decision knew full well he would take a heap of crap from the Americans and the British Government and the press. One of the few examples of a politician with integrity.

Right continue with your usual conspiracy theory crap and mud slinging, then perhaps you can laud a bunch of idiots, storming an Argentine ship, trashing it and demanding it is returned to Argentina. Oh you already did that.
84 Ale (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 07:49 pm Report abuse
Mr, My humble opinion: The release of Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi's was not a brave decision, it was a disgrace to the hundreds of innocents civilians dead, including Scottish citizens, and ther family members. Most of the world including citizens of Scotland and UK feel the same way. You are free to comment about my country, I may agree or not, the same way that I am free to comment about yours.
85 stick up your junta (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 08:02 pm Report abuse
Maybe you would of liked the Scots to use Argentine methods

www.yendor.com/vanished/
86 Zethee (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 08:24 pm Report abuse
I don't see how it relates.

This is a group of Argentines spray painting a boat and acting like idiots.

The other is a Libyan intelligence officer killing hundreds of people and being released from a UK prison because he's dying.

It's not even remotely related.
87 JustinKuntz (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 08:24 pm Report abuse
Yes and I am free to correct it when you talk nonsense.

Whatever your opinion of the decision, it was not for the reason you alleged and anyone with an ounce of common sense can see that. I doubt that you gave it any serious thought, it was just something you picked up somewhere to trash the Britsh with.
88 Ale (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 08:41 pm Report abuse
#85, Mr.Those were not the actions of Argentine citizens,were the actions of a criminal self elected government.Some of them were prosecuted and jailed.
#87 Mr. The allegations are not mine: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-10697522
89 JustinKuntz (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 08:47 pm Report abuse
And so what, they still don't stack up.

Had the UK Government tried to pressurise the Scottish Government to release him, they would have been slaughtered in the press. The SNP would have been delighted in spilling the beans.

The fact is the British Government put pressue on the Scottish Government NOT to release him. Equally the Scottish Government told the US Senate to get stuffed as it was none of their business.

Under the prisoner agreement, the Scottish Government could have transferred him to a Libyan jail. They refused to do so.
90 Think (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 08:59 pm Report abuse
(78) PomInOz

You say:
“However, the most accepted definition is someone who uses force or the threat of force to achieve a political or quasi-political end”.
”In this case, this bunch of no-hopers have forced their way on to property that does not belong to them and then caused damage to it.”

Under that definition, a bunch of Manchester youths that break into a derelict factory building and spray some graffiti on the walls about “Freee Hash” or “Alicia Rhodes for State Minister” would constitute a terrorist group…..

You Brits are really going 1984!!!
91 stick up your junta (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 09:05 pm Report abuse
Mr.Those were not the actions of Argentine citizens,were the actions of a criminal self elected government.Some of them were prosecuted and jailed.

But they were quite popular, if the Crowds gathered in the the plaza de Mayo on April 2, 1982 were anything to go by
92 JustinKuntz (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 09:05 pm Report abuse
Ah yes Think a most appropriate comparison, they behaved like a bunch of yobs. So treat them as such, instead of praising them.
93 PomInOz (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 09:07 pm Report abuse
Think, and I'd lock them all up immediately, if only for the fact that they're Mancunian!
Yet, you can bet that Argentina will not lock up or do anything to this bunch, despite the fact that they've clearly committed criminal offences.
94 stick up your junta (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 09:12 pm Report abuse
You Brits are really going 1984

Better than Argentina 1976
95 JustinKuntz (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 09:34 pm Report abuse
Talking on terrorists...

I presume by anyone's definition of the term “terrorist” we would include those who hijack an airplane at gun point?

Yes.

And most of us would expect someone who did that to end up in prison yes?

In 1965 a bunch of Argentine terrorists calling themselves “Condors” hijacked a plane on an internal flight. It forced the pilot to fly the plane to the Falklands. There wasn't an airport so it had to crash land on the race course. Thinking the plane was in trouble, those heartless Falkland Islanders rushed to help, only to be taken hostage at gun point.

Did the hijackers receive a harsh jail term? No, there is monument to them in BA, they received token jail terms and now get a state pension.

en.mercopress.com/2009/07/22/pensions-for-argentine-members-of-failed-attempt-to-capture-the-falklands-i
96 Ale (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 10:01 pm Report abuse
Mr#89 “Equally the Scottish Government told the US Senate to get stuffed as it was none of their business”
I am not so sure about that, the airplane was bombed over Scotland however the large majority of the passengers murdered were americans.
97 Think (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 10:11 pm Report abuse
Talking on terrorists...

I presume by anyone's definition of the term “terrorist” we would include those who attemp a coup d’état?
Yes.

And most of us would expect someone who did that to end up in prison yes?

In 2004 a bunch of British terrorists calling themselves “Turnips” financed and lead by the Hon. Sir Mark Thatcher, the son of the former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, organized a coup to remove President Obiang. Crause. Steyl was one of the pilots picked to fly the key planners of the coup in a chartered King 200 twin turbo prop aircraft, registered ZS-NBJ, who later turned prosecution witness in South Africa.

Did those terrorist receive a harsh jail term? No, they received suspended sentences and now they still enjoy the millions they made on previous terrorist acts.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Equatorial_Guinea_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat_attempt#The_Hon._Sir_Mark_Thatcher
98 JustinKuntz (#) Sep 16th, 2010 - 10:23 pm Report abuse
Yes, I would have jailed the lot of them and in a South African jail too.

Does this excuse Argentina giving state pensions to convicted terrorists?
99 Ale (#) Sep 17th, 2010 - 12:45 am Report abuse
Mr#95 About“Operacion Condor”, 15 members spend 9 months in jail, 3 others spent 3 years in jail. Aircraft hijackings was not in the penal code of 1966 Argentina, however they were found guilty of other charges. We can argue if they got enough time or not but Sir Mark Thatcher and friends did not get a single day of jail for their actions.
100 Think (#) Sep 17th, 2010 - 05:34 am Report abuse
(99) Ale
And…. Don’t forget, old chap, that he has gotten AND kept all those “funny” titles:

Mark Thatcher is entitled the usage of the pre-nominal style 'The Honourable' following the elevation of his mother, Margaret Thatcher, to the peerage as a baroness in 1992…
He inherited the Thatcher baronetcy on the death of his father, Sir Denis, in 2003. The baronetcy, created in 1991 for Sir Denis, was the first (and so far only) baronetcy created since 1964….
• Mark Thatcher Esq. (15 August 1953–26 June 1992)
• The Honourable Mark Thatcher (26 June 1992 –26 June 2003)
• The Honourable Sir Mark Thatcher, 2nd Bt (26 June 2003–)

In short: An Honourable Sir Terrorist……..
I really love British Humor :-)
101 stick up your junta (#) Sep 17th, 2010 - 06:19 am Report abuse
@ think
what happend to that nice argie chap Alfredo Astiz ?
102 Cadfael (#) Sep 17th, 2010 - 06:58 am Report abuse
The lovely Carol got all the brains too, the chinless wonder got none!!
Should be stripped of the title!
103 JustinKuntz (#) Sep 17th, 2010 - 07:37 am Report abuse
3 years you say.

Did they serve 3 years, or is the information I got that they served less than a year correct?

Either way, there is still a monument to their terrorist act in BA and they have received praise and a state pension for an act of terrorism.

en.mercopress.com/2009/07/22/pensions-for-argentine-members-of-failed-attempt-to-capture-the-falklands-i

And as someone else asked, whatever happened to Alfredo Astiz, the guy who shot a frightened 16 yr old girl in the back?
104 Think (#) Sep 17th, 2010 - 08:46 am Report abuse
(101) and (103) Justin and Stick.....

I want to thank you for each time you set focus on the recent Dictatorial Argentinean History.
Please continue to read, investigate and expose as much as possible of that period.
Now about Mr. Astiz current situation……..
He has been under arrest since 2003……
He is on trial for murder, kidnapping and torture as we speak……
Giving the nature of the charges, he will very probably get a life sentence. At his present age he will most probably die in jail.
Below I include a very informative link from France24 (don’t worry is in English :-)
www.france24.com/en/20091211-alfredo-astiz-blond-angel-death-in-dock-trial-argentina-dirty-war-dictatorship
105 stick up your junta (#) Sep 17th, 2010 - 08:51 am Report abuse
Jees Think the wheels of Argie justice turn slow
106 JustinKuntz (#) Sep 17th, 2010 - 08:53 am Report abuse
If it had been in French it wouldn't have mattered, as I happen to speak French.

But again the question:

en.mercopress.com/2009/07/22/pensions-for-argentine-members-of-failed-attempt-to-capture-the-falklands-i

Do you think it is beholden on any democracy to praise terrorists and give them a state pension?
107 Think (#) Sep 17th, 2010 - 09:22 am Report abuse
(105) Stik....
Many things were ”slow” in Argentina until 2003, the year when Mr. Astiz and hundreds of his lot where arrested and put on trial.......

Since 2003 Argentina has entered a previously unseen positive development in any field you choose to analyse.....

Curiously enough, 2003 was also the year when the Kirchners started in National Politics…..

All recent pools indicate a continuation of their democratic mandate until 2015.....

In 2010 the British gave us the best possible “re-entry line” into the Malvinas Issue by pushing their unilateral South Atlantic Oil Exploration through.

That means that we will have at least five years of political continuity and consensus to work on the “Plan Malvinas”…..

CU
108 JustinKuntz (#) Sep 17th, 2010 - 09:37 am Report abuse
Think,

By British if you mean the British Government, then you are wrong, wrong, wrong. The Falkland Islands Government chose to start South Atlantic Oil exploration.

This is not a “re-entry line” to anything. Whilst you ignore the fact that the FIG makes the decisions, its pissing in the wind.

If the Kirchner's have done something about the crimes of the military then good for them. A little late but good nontheless. Equally I hope they do something about the crimes of the Montoneros and their compatriots. Do you agree?

And again, the questions I asked was is it acceptable for any democracy to praise terrorists and give them a state pension?
109 fredbdc (#) Sep 17th, 2010 - 11:15 am Report abuse
“Since 2003 Argentina has entered a previously unseen positive development in any field you choose to analyse...” (think)
This is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard! The only think that is positive is inflation! I would love to hear where you have had “positive” developments. In the last 20 years has your productivity increased, are foreign investors investing, is your standard of living increasing, is the peso worth more?
Please enlighten us where all of these “positive developments” are hiding.
110 Zethee (#) Sep 17th, 2010 - 11:27 am Report abuse
In his mind, fred.
111 Think (#) Sep 17th, 2010 - 12:08 pm Report abuse
THIMC
No need to search very far after positive developments…
Let’s look at what our ”Worst Enemy” had to say about Argentina some weeks ago……
Directly from the ”expert horse” own mouth ….
T H E E C O N O M I S T :
“Contrary to repeated forecasts of doom from orthodox economists, the economy is roaring.”
“Independent economists, who say the economy contracted by 2-2.5% last year (2009), now forecast growth of up to 8% this year (2010).”
“Like the expansion of 2003-08, this recovery is due mainly to fortunate circumstances”
“Tax revenues are rising again and reserves have climbed to $50 billion, thanks to a healthy trade surplus”
“The Kirchners have been extraordinarily lucky that their time in power has coincided with a surge in Argentina’s terms of trade (see chart)” (YES… Please look at the chart!!!)
“Their luck looks as though it will hold - at least until a presidential election next year. Ms Fernández’s approval ratings are reviving in tandem with the economy. She may yet squeak through for a second term.”
“The doomsayers have been wrong about Argentina, but they may yet be proved right in the end.” (Uhhhhhhh….spooooookyyyy….)
www.economist.com/node/16846418

And now compare to this news from today:
”The poverty rate in the United States rose for the third straight year, reading 14.3% in 2009 (one in seven), up from 13.2% a year earlier. More than 43 million people are living in poverty and almost 51 million have no health insurance coverage.”
en.mercopress.com/2010/09/16/poverty-rate-and-number-of-millionaires-in-the-us-soaring
112 stick up your junta (#) Sep 17th, 2010 - 12:40 pm Report abuse
USA cant be that poor
www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/07/eveningnews/main6069163.shtml

unlike Argentina
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2484061.stm
113 fredbdc (#) Sep 17th, 2010 - 12:41 pm Report abuse
Well by my count you are just back to where you were in 2001, I don't count that as a success since the rest of the world has moved on and you're just back to where the decade started!
www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=ar&v=67
“Argentina’s cultural standards do not prioritize either the long-term or sacrifice, but rather the short-term pleasures of consumption. There is neither a culture of saving nor one of working, to the extent that it exists in other recently developed countries, and of course, in those [countries] that are developed. The economy must [develop according to] a long-term national plan based on consensus, but this consensus must be achieved by the very same leaders who have led the country into its current situation -- and that [process] requires [the public to behave with] magnanimity [toward those leaders].”
www.wharton.universia.net/index.cfm?fa=viewArticle&id=1757&language=english
114 JustinKuntz (#) Sep 17th, 2010 - 12:57 pm Report abuse
Questions going unanswered:

If the Kirchner's have done something about the crimes of the military then good for them. A little late but good nontheless. Equally I hope they do something about the crimes of the Montoneros and their compatriots. Do you agree?

And again, the questions I asked was is it acceptable for any democracy to praise terrorists and give them a state pension?
115 jorge! (#) Sep 17th, 2010 - 01:39 pm Report abuse
Retards!!!! This article is about a Malvinas' war ship. Nothing to do with Montoneros carajo!
116 Beef (#) Sep 17th, 2010 - 02:33 pm Report abuse
Hi Guys.

Completly off topic but RKH have just released an RNS about the Sea Lion flow test. The word commerical is making me smile from ear to ear!

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117 Think (#) Sep 17th, 2010 - 02:35 pm Report abuse
(113) : ” By my count you are just back to where you were in 2001. I don't count that as......

What you count, do not count, how you count doesn't count down her!
As I say in (107):

Since 2003 Argentina has entered a previously unseen positive development in any field you choose to analyse.....
118 Zethee (#) Sep 17th, 2010 - 03:19 pm Report abuse
“Retards!!!! This article is about a Malvinas' war ship. Nothing to do with Montoneros carajo!”

A war ship is a ship that is designed to fight in a war, this is a ship that was an oil tender.

HMS Victory is a warship worth saving, as is the USS constitution. This one? it's a pile of crap.
119 Think (#) Sep 17th, 2010 - 03:52 pm Report abuse
(116) Beef
You just ruined a pair of hours of my friday afternoon ;-)
Enjoy
120 fredbdc (#) Sep 17th, 2010 - 03:55 pm Report abuse
I will give you one positive development since 2003, the 700% increase in the Kirchner's declared fortune.
Because all the economic surveys say you are just as poor and wretched as you were in 2001.
121 Ale (#) Sep 17th, 2010 - 06:50 pm Report abuse
#103 Mr, I know is hard to understand from somebody living in Glasgow 14000 km away, 99.9% of argentines strongly believe that Malvinas is part of our nation, so any action of any argentine in favor to recover the islands will be treated very well, not matter if they are from the left or the right. Perhaps they did not use the right approach nor the british government help to solved this old dispute by drilling for oil in a disputed area that has already caused the death of many on both sides.

About “Operacion Condor” members, is a fact they did go to jail at that time, and I am glad that their actions like the militants taking the Yehuin did not cause the lives of anybody. I can not say the same about Mark Thatcher and friends, they were going to cause a great loss of lives in a country that is none of their bussiness. About “the brave”( your opinion) release of libyan terrorist Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi's, who murdered 270 innocents civilians, shows the double standard of your government.
122 JustinKuntz (#) Sep 17th, 2010 - 08:17 pm Report abuse
No Ale, keeping a terminally ill man in prison for political reasons shows a lack of compassion and a complete lack of christian charity.

We have devolved Government in this country, that was properly a decision of the Scottish Government and went against the wishes of the British Government, who would have preferred they kept him in jail.

Despite a great deal of pressure to keep the man in prison, the Scottish Government chose to do what was right, not what was politically expedient. One of the few occassions of actual integrity in politicians but sadly motivated in part I admit by a desire to be seen to stand up to the British Government.

BTW where was Mark Thatcher tried and in case you hadn't noticed I agreed he should have been in prison. It was if you've failed to realise a South African court not a British one.

Even had it been in the UK, we have a separation of judicial system from the Government. You should try it some time, its a useful bulwark against oppressive Government. So how you can claim this is a double standard is beyond me but clearly you have a chip on your shoulder about the British. Again the drilling campaign is properly a matter for the FIG, not the British Government. Argentina had every chance to be part of it, your Government chose to tear up the agreements reached not us.

No matter, where I am or you are. The only people who can decide their future are the islanders, they live there not you or I.

If you wish to praise men of violence, simply because they commit violence in the name of a cause you support, sadly the roots of democracy can't be that deep.

Again, if the Kirchner's have done something about the crimes of the military then good for them. A little late but good nontheless. Equally I hope they do something about the crimes of the Montoneros and their compatriots. Do you agree?

And again, the questions I asked was is it acceptable for any democracy to praise terrorists and give them a state pension?
123 stick up your junta (#) Sep 17th, 2010 - 08:19 pm Report abuse
99.9% of argentines strongly believe that Malvinas is part of our nation, so any action of any argentine in favor to recover the islands will be

99.9% where did your Statistics come from? you sure you aint mistaking Domestos
124 Beef (#) Sep 17th, 2010 - 08:59 pm Report abuse
85% of statistics are made up on the spot; including that one. The Falklands will never be Argentine but now that commercial oil has been confirmed then there is more chance of me landing on the moon waving the Union Flag with my meat and two veg!
125 Frank (#) Sep 17th, 2010 - 09:39 pm Report abuse
I must say this looks like a stagemanaged event.... a 43 year old rig boat that would cost money to scrap... 'Look, Juan, I have a cunning plan, we bring our boat to BA, you seize the boat, make a fuss , make it national monument , we save big bucks on disposing of it .... a win win situation'.
I guess they will park it in Darsena Norte with the other ARA museum ships.....

99.9% strongly believe the Falklands are theirs?
More likely 99.9% couldn't give a monkeys... which is why they only get a few hundred protesting outside the British embassy each Malvinas Day.... or was that a only few dozen this year?
126 Cadfael (#) Sep 18th, 2010 - 08:39 am Report abuse
China/Taiwan ring any bells?
127 Frank (#) Sep 18th, 2010 - 09:51 am Report abuse
For scrap? It would cost more to get her to La Plata than she is worth.... the far end of Puerto Madero ( away from the tarted up bit ) is full of junk like her.
128 Zethee (#) Sep 19th, 2010 - 12:54 am Report abuse
Any way you word it, this is hilariously stupid.
129 Cadfael (#) Sep 19th, 2010 - 08:43 am Report abuse
It's not the Irish we should be telling “stupid” jokes about, jokes should now begin....

“A Scot, an englishman and an argie walked into a pub”.........!!!!
130 Wireless (#) Sep 19th, 2010 - 09:51 am Report abuse
While they were drinking, a man from the oil company walked in and said, 'We've come up with a plan to detach and tow the entire Falklands Basin, including all British Islands in the South Atlantic and the Entire British Antarctic Territory, Oil and all, back to the UK and park it 350 miles off the coast of Ireland; now everyone should be happy'.

The Scot said, 'Aww crap, another home nation to beat us at football'.

The Englishman turned to the Argie and said, 'Where is South America anyway?'

The Argie said, 'Who gives a shit, why do you think I emigrated?'
131 JustinKuntz (#) Sep 19th, 2010 - 10:11 am Report abuse
An Englishman, an Irishman and a Scotsman walked into a pub.

The barman says “What's this some kind of joke?”.
132 Typhoon (#) Sep 19th, 2010 - 12:45 pm Report abuse
Alfredo Astiz has already been sentenced “in absentia” to life imprisonment by the French.

He has also been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer.

No doubt the “compassionate” Argentines are keeping him in Argentina so that he can die in his home country.
133 Wireless (#) Sep 19th, 2010 - 01:13 pm Report abuse
Yeah, but he'll get a State Funeral.
134 PomInOz (#) Sep 19th, 2010 - 04:39 pm Report abuse
As I have said before (but not cut-and-pasting like Margo!), very, e-e-eerily quiet! Come on Argentines!
135 stick up your junta (#) Sep 19th, 2010 - 06:29 pm Report abuse
excuse me Mrs Kirchner can the Argies come out to play LOL
136 PomInOz (#) Sep 19th, 2010 - 07:07 pm Report abuse
Typhoon, well, that didn't work - trying to get in touch with JustinKuntz through email! Your comments were perhaps a little too cryptic for me! Can you try again, please?
137 JustinKuntz (#) Sep 19th, 2010 - 07:35 pm Report abuse
If you want to contact me, easiest way is through my wikipedia account. I have an email address enabled.
138 Rhaurie-Craughwell (#) Sep 19th, 2010 - 08:02 pm Report abuse
This current event is nearly as bizarre and nuts as two years ago hysterical cries from nutty Malvinists that the UK's submission of continental shelf claims to the UN meant that we were going to annex Islas D'estodas and about 1/4 of Patagonia's coastal waters.

In response to cadfael:

The Scotsmen and Englishmen both asked for a pint, whilst the Argentine argued that the bar was in fact his since it lay 300 meteres from his doorstep.
139 PomInOz (#) Sep 19th, 2010 - 08:02 pm Report abuse
Sorry, Justin, I would like to be able to contact you, but I am a complete an utter luddite and don't know how to do so through wikipedia or facebook or twitter or...well, you get what I'm trying to say. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
140 JustinKuntz (#) Sep 19th, 2010 - 08:26 pm Report abuse
Do you know Ernie by any chance?
141 PomInOz (#) Sep 19th, 2010 - 08:36 pm Report abuse
No.
142 Think (#) Sep 19th, 2010 - 08:42 pm Report abuse
Don't you know Ernie ???
Everybody knows Ernie !!!

(This is funny)
143 JustinKuntz (#) Sep 19th, 2010 - 08:57 pm Report abuse
Well this is what happens when someone hiding behind a pseudonym starts stalking people. I'm a little reluctant to give my email address in the open, the last time I did I was inundated by death threats from Internet Warriors in Argentina.
144 Think (#) Sep 19th, 2010 - 09:07 pm Report abuse
Everybody loves Justin
145 JustinKuntz (#) Sep 19th, 2010 - 09:21 pm Report abuse
Really and you go to such trouble trying to dig up dirt.
146 Think (#) Sep 20th, 2010 - 07:05 am Report abuse
THIMC

20/09/10
In short: The Uruguayan Government denies permission to the HMS Gloucester to enter into Montevideo ………….

www.larepublica.com.uy/politica/424486-gobierno-no-autorizo-ingreso-a-buque-de-guerra-britanico-custodia-de-las-malvinas

Nice :-)
147 JustinKuntz (#) Sep 20th, 2010 - 07:51 am Report abuse
Must be a slow week, the Uruguayans won't let a ship dock to stock up on sweeties. Oh dear, how sad, never mind.

Mean time, Think has a little accident in his pants.
148 stick up your junta (#) Sep 20th, 2010 - 09:18 am Report abuse
Think indulges in hand to gland combat,they were aksing for it dressed like that fnar fnar
149 fredbdc (#) Sep 20th, 2010 - 11:45 am Report abuse
Justin: Think internet stalked me so be careful. He is a creepy old windy communist with nothing better to do than bother decent people.
150 Typhoon (#) Sep 20th, 2010 - 01:40 pm Report abuse
@136 Pom. No. Sorry. I got an email from Justin suggesting I should give you his email. I said I wouldn't. Too may internet stalkers around.
I will give you one tip. It doesn't matter if you are a luddite. Finding a way to contact Justin is not a matter of computer ability, it's a matter of intelligence.
151 Think (#) Sep 20th, 2010 - 03:08 pm Report abuse
THIMC

As Humprey Bogart says in Casablanca:
“Guys, this could be the beginning of a beautiful regional friendship”

ruso.prensa-latina.cu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17157&Itemid=38

www.espectador.com/1v4_contenido.php?id=192964&sts=1

Chile…………. is out of the equation ……………
Uruguay……… is getting out fast…………..
Argentina ……. needless to say………
Brazil………….Dilma gets elected in October then……..

Geeeee….. Things are moving quickly down here since February…….

Boys, you better remember to stock on candy at home…. (and food….and fuel :-)
152 fredbdc (#) Sep 20th, 2010 - 03:34 pm Report abuse
Think, The Falklands doesn't have to depend on anything from South America to thrive. Who are you trying to kid? They will have the highest GDP per person in the next few years and Argentina will be poorer. I know you have to grasp at strings to make yourself feel better but it is just pathetic.
153 Ale (#) Sep 20th, 2010 - 03:58 pm Report abuse
Question for the Brits: Are UK forces withdrawing from Afghanistan?
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/8012804/British-troops-hand-over-Sangin-in-Afghanistan-to-US-forces.html
154 stick up your junta (#) Sep 20th, 2010 - 04:24 pm Report abuse
Question for the Brits: Are UK forces withdrawing from Afghanistan?

Yes they are being redeployed to the Falklands to deter Argie bargy now that oil is on its way :-)
155 Ale (#) Sep 20th, 2010 - 07:18 pm Report abuse
They can always request to stop in Buenos Aires and eat a good barbecue.

www.clarin.com/politica/Uruguay-ingreso-Montevideo-britanico-Malvinas_0_338966287.html
156 Think (#) Sep 20th, 2010 - 07:37 pm Report abuse
FCO: No Comments.......................
RN: No Comments........................
British Press: No comments...........
157 stick up your junta (#) Sep 20th, 2010 - 08:13 pm Report abuse
Comment from Uruguay
Translates to why should they help the Argies whilst they (the argies) have the island of Martín García which lay in Uruguays waters

Las islas Malvinas son argentinas eso está claro y no tiene vuelta. Ahora, de la misma manera la isla Martín García es uruguaya y ocupada por Argentina. Entonces que Argentina se arregle con los gringos porque si quiere apoyo uruguayo que primero nos devuelvan M. García que está pegada a nuestras costas.
Entre tanto no movería un dedo por nuestros primos del otro lado del río
158 Zethee (#) Sep 20th, 2010 - 08:28 pm Report abuse
153 Ale:

it was announced like last year that we would be leaving Afghanistan in 2015, we are scaling it back now.
159 Ale (#) Sep 20th, 2010 - 08:47 pm Report abuse
Mr#158 Fair enough, reading the article civilians there are happy too.

Mr.#157 Your spanish is better than my poor english, I like that section that you wrote: “Las islas Malvinas son argentinas eso está claro y no tiene vuelta”
160 Rhaurie-Craughwell (#) Sep 20th, 2010 - 08:54 pm Report abuse
unapatriadapormalvinas.blogspot.com/2010/09/recuperacion-del-buque-yehuin-vgm.html

Took a look at this chaps it is a hotbed of insanity!
161 Pheel (#) Sep 20th, 2010 - 08:54 pm Report abuse
158 Zethee,

Being there without a mission should be more a Hell-Land than a Helmand province.
Do you know which objetives and goals did the Royal troops carry with them as a measure of success?
162 stick up your junta (#) Sep 20th, 2010 - 08:57 pm Report abuse
Mr.#157 Your spanish is better than my poor english, I like that section that you wrote: “Las islas Martín García son Uruguays eso está claro y no tiene vuelta

dont you think
163 Ale (#) Sep 20th, 2010 - 09:10 pm Report abuse
Mr 162, Sorry I didn't know that we have a territotrial dispute with Uruguay...we do?
164 stick up your junta (#) Sep 20th, 2010 - 09:14 pm Report abuse
ale me old son

Why do you argies own a Island in Uruguays waters?

Las islas Martín García son Uruguays
165 JustinKuntz (#) Sep 20th, 2010 - 09:32 pm Report abuse
Uruguay no longer dispute Martín García but it happens to be true that Argentina bullied a smaller nation into ceding it in perpetuity.

Note the double standard, quelle surprise.
166 stick up your junta (#) Sep 20th, 2010 - 09:45 pm Report abuse
The enclave island is within the boundaries of Uruguayan waters

An agreement reached by Argentina and Uruguay in 1973 reaffirmed Argentine jurisdiction over Martín García (which is actually on the Uruguayan side of the boundary), ending a century-old dispute between the two countries over the island.

Sounds like they were bullied into giving them up,no wonder the argies get upset that they cant get the Falklands by the same means

anyway here goes in my best argie manner
erm, erm, Las islas Martín García son Uruguays
167 jorge! (#) Sep 20th, 2010 - 11:09 pm Report abuse
ESTA!!! es tuya, GIL!

Malvinas argentinas!
168 Ale (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 12:01 am Report abuse
OK, Then we don't have a territorial dispute with our neighbors in Uruguay. With UK? yes, Malvinas.
Uruguay said no to HMS Gloucester from UK. Is there a plan “B”?
169 JPL (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 01:01 am Report abuse
as you get angry! , Is noted for the number of insults such as “idiots”, etc.

It calls my attention, you are out of control ....

Are alarmed by this ship, but not alarmed by all the massacres that you sponsored and sponsor worldwide

That here in Argentina, called cynicism or hypocrisy

Here and throughout the world, except in the territory of the United Kingdom and Islands

JPL.
170 Frank (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 02:04 am Report abuse
160 Rhaurie-Craughwell (#)
unapatriadapormalvinas.blogspot.com/2010/09/recuperacion-del-buque-yehuin-vgm.html

That is too funny for words... 4 or was it 5 activists take over a laid up piece of junk in Darsena Sur... that belongs on 'Funniest Home Videos' .. .....
171 Ale (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 03:21 am Report abuse
I can't believe that the action of this four or five activist got an article in many newspapers including MercoPress in far away Malvinas, which includes 171 comments about them. I think some brits and an american in Buenos Aires did not like it very much.
172 stick up your junta (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 06:05 am Report abuse
This one is for you jorge
Las islas Martín García son Uruguays
173 JustinKuntz (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 07:45 am Report abuse
Ale,

We don't give a monkey's either way. What we find amusing is trying to defend a colossal cock up (“return this ship to Argentina”....“but it is Argentine owned”...“Oh, er, um, bugger”) as a great patriotic act, when in fact is was little more than petty vandalism.
174 Cadfael (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 08:06 am Report abuse
We love it!!!!
What a bunch of total bumnuts!!!
Didnt any of them see the argie flag already flying @4'44” ?
175 Typhoon (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 10:16 am Report abuse
@161 Pheel “Do you know which objetives and goals did the Royal troops carry with them as a measure of success?”

Which “Royal” troops would that be then? Are you intent on displaying your ignorance?
176 JPL (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 11:05 am Report abuse
Listen to British people “tearing their hair”, and talk about vandalism, terrorism, etc (besides the countless insults), is very funny

Maybe we'll have to ask God to be as smart and enlightened as you ...

Perhaps this was an action planned by Al Qaeda? that these people would deserve to be sent to guantamo, right?

Everything about patriotic war of the Malvinas in Argentina is sacred, you know?

JPL
177 JustinKuntz (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 11:34 am
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178 JPL (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 12:12 pm Report abuse
There seems a lack of respect for the fallen Argentine soldiers call them “poor bastards”??

What is this? I thought that the British were educated people ...

JPL
jeanpaulleronde@yahoo.fr
179 JustinKuntz (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 01:03 pm Report abuse
More respect than shown in Argentina, they were interred in cemetery and treated with due reverence. Spare me the feigned offense it isn't convincing and JPL I know your English is good enough to understand.

Pretending to be French now are we?
180 Pheel (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 01:09 pm Report abuse
Justin, you should take care of your big mouth.
Unless your business is the same of the infamous warmonger Typhoon/Harrier/etc.

To fuel conflict as you could.
181 stick up your junta (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 01:09 pm Report abuse
Everything about patriotic war of the Malvinas in Argentina is sacred, you know?

Have you seen the rubbish strewn around the war memorial in BA?
182 JustinKuntz (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 02:08 pm Report abuse
Pheel, I know JPL from elsewhere, he is only here for conflict. If anyone is a warmonger that is he.
183 Jefferson's soul (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 02:28 pm Report abuse
Hey Justin, please stop posting aggressive comments ...
Peace man!
184 Pheel (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 02:32 pm Report abuse
Ok, I could not insult the memory of honorable servicemen, including yours.
185 Ale (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 02:39 pm Report abuse
I did not see any argentinian comment insulting the dead british soldiers in Malvinas, can you show some respect for argentinian soldiers buried in argentinian soil, Malvinas.
“The refurbished cemetery was designed by Argentine architects and transported to the Islands block by block from Argentina”

en.mercopress.com/2007/03/28/malvinas-war-next-of-kin-to-visit-darwin-cemetery
186 JustinKuntz (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 02:39 pm Report abuse
Neither would I and it was not an insult to their memory. On a personal note I am appalled at the way Argentina treated its veterans following their defeat, the way your Government has treated the bereaved families and exploited the issue of the Argentine Cemetery at Darwin. Equally I am disgusted at the likes of JPL who use the excuse of wrapping themselves in patriotic fervour to show disrespect to others.

Agressive? Mmm, lauding a bunch of patriots for trashing private property. Who is being aggressive here?
187 JPL (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 02:56 pm Report abuse
Justin:

To improve the quality of debate, you should just talk about Mercopress note, and not engage in “prosecution” malicious to me.

JPL
188 Pheel (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 02:58 pm Report abuse
“On a personal note I am appalled at the way Argentina treated its veterans following their defeat”.
I can share that 100%.

As I can´t understand why you treated so bad your gurkhas, neglecting them permanent residence at UK until this year.
189 Think (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 03:00 pm Report abuse
(180) Pheel and others

We are a strange “Bunch” in here each of us with it’s interesting peculiarities. (even the turnips)

Take for example the sweet kid “StickUpYourJunta” trying to offend Argentineans by mentioning the atrocities of our former Junta or linking to 8 years old pictures of starving babies, not realizing that that’s what the current government is fighting.

Or “Harrier61/Typhoon/Conqueror”….. 3 in 1 real warmonger, but sincere in his intentions and insults :-)

But don’t waste your time in Mr. Justin Kuntz.
He is just despicable.
In Wikipedia, when people really get tired of his lies and insults and warn him with exclution, (and it takes a lot in Wiki) he writes loooong letters of apology excusing himself with to much booze, to many pills, to many personal problems, PTSD and to much thinking about “fallen comrades”

After being pardoned for his excesses, he returns with renewed destructive energy!

In my world, any person utilizing real or imaginary “fallen Comrades” to justify insults and lies is totally beyond pedagogical reach.
190 Jefferson's soul (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 03:03 pm Report abuse
Justin you have to calm down... why don't we talk in peace?
191 JustinKuntz (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 03:17 pm Report abuse
Think,

Ah yes, do I really frighten you that much that you're still trying to blacken my name so hard. Tsk, you know you're now simply resorting to lying.

#190 Perfectly calm, happy to talk in peace. Always.
192 Juanweather (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 03:39 pm Report abuse
# 172, Stick up your empire:

The Isla Martín Garcia happens to be argentine soil, allways was. You see that island was in “argentine waters” once but the current moved it to “uruguayan waters” that's why still is part of Argentina.

P.D: You should mind in your own business, the territorial dispute is beteween Argentina/UK.
193 Jefferson's soul (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 03:50 pm Report abuse
I don't trust anything from wiki, all info is biased and you don't know what is true or false...
194 JustinKuntz (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 04:11 pm Report abuse
The Gurkhas?

The reason for they're having a different contract of employment is historic. They used to be part of the Indian Army, at Indian independence due to the great affection the British people have for the Gurkhas there was a call for them to be retained as part of the British Army. The contract with them evolved at that time but ultimate was no longer fit for purpose. As usual the MoD tried to be cheap and they got spanked in the courts and by the British people.

Now I presume the comments about the Gurkhas were not motivated by any real sense of outrage but as usuall a cheap shot. As usual the truth is somewhat more prosaic.
195 stick up your junta (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 04:23 pm Report abuse
The Isla Martín Garcia happens to be argentine soil, allways was. You see that island was in “argentine waters” once but the current moved it to “uruguayan waters” that's why still is part of Argentina

Are you for real, the island moved to Uruguay,shows good taste if you ask me,anyway when the Falklands up sticks and moves to Argentina you can have them
196 Juanweather (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 04:29 pm Report abuse
indeed, and we'll give British sovereignty over Malvinas when it moves to Britain :-)
197 Pheel (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 04:43 pm Report abuse
we argies mistreated veterans.
Sure, that´s a shame to correct.

“Until last year some 36,000 Gurkhas who left British Forces before 1997 had been denied UK residency”.
Lot were Malvinas veterans, surely you saw their south atlantic medals at BBC when they sadly claimed for their rights.

Cheap shot?
Or just pointing out a typical half-eyed approach?
198 Zethee (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 05:27 pm Report abuse
They were not treated like normal british troops, no. But they were by no means treated badly, the pension they got allowed them to live very happily in there homeland and now they are allowed to move to the UK if they wish.

This is in no way compairable to the way you treated your vets.
199 stick up your junta (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 05:54 pm Report abuse
indeed, and we'll give British sovereignty over Malvinas when it moves to Britain :-)

Britain came to the Falklands
www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/mar/31/world.falklands

also it aint yours for the giving:-)
200 Pheel (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 06:01 pm Report abuse
No, you´re right.
Our treatment for Argentina veterans has been worse.

Just that I can´t afford the one-eyed approach.
the kind of: “you are bullies” sayed by people who is invading Irak.
“you don´t respect treaties”, “you are ignorants”, “you are liers”, etc.

Never looking at home/history the same issue´s status of what is observed in Argentina/Latam.
A lot of falacies (not lies, but fallacies and sophisms) that by repeating starts to seem natural.
201 Zethee (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 07:05 pm Report abuse
“sayed by people who is invading Irak”

We left iraq a long time ago, mainly because there was NO public support for that war once we found out that the reports of WMD's were false, efforts were scaled back and only a token force remained of about 100 men who were just training the iraq army.
202 Pheel (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 07:47 pm Report abuse
I followed the Iraq invasion and war through BBC.

The fact is that, based in lies, UK was the main partner in destroying a whole country

Imagine if Argentina/any LatAm country makes 10% of what is written above: “Savages! Animals!”

BTW, isn´t BP (american or else) executing some big contracts there? Some infraestructure needed to be rebuilt, too?

These are the real rules of the game that the UK plays. :-(
203 stick up your junta (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 08:20 pm Report abuse
Imagine if Argentina/any LatAm country makes 10% of what is written above: “Savages! Animals!”

Argie Dirty War
The killing of street children in Brazil
204 Typhoon (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 08:46 pm Report abuse
@185. The Argentine invaders buried on the Falklands are there because Argentina wouldn't take them back. They had served most of their purpose and now serve a further, spurious, purpose in persuading Argentines that some small part of the Falklands is theirs.
Here's the deal. There is NO part of the Falklands that is Argentine, nor will there ever be.
Left to me, I'd dig 'em all up. Ship them out to the edge of Argentine territorial waters and toss 'em overboard.
205 Zethee (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 09:13 pm Report abuse
“The fact is that, based in lies, UK was the main partner in destroying a whole country”

I disagree with that completly. But that all depends on oppinion, either you can believe that they now have a democracy over what was a murdering dictator(whom his own people executed for breaches in human rights.), or you can believe that the country is destroyed.

BP is not the only oil company who got oil deals from the nation, The country wants to build a oil business and as such has invited major oil firms to work there, if there wasn't a war there it wouldn't even be news worthy, oil companys from nations such as china are also working there and they were not even involved in the war.
206 Ale (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 09:15 pm Report abuse
Mr#204, You keep changing your name however your message is the same ignorant one.
Argentinian soldiers are buried in their homeland, Malvinas. Like or not they always be there.
207 zethe (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 09:27 pm Report abuse
I'd also like to continue with “destroying a whole country”

Iraq's debt has been wiped clean, and by 2010 due to these “bad”(as you would have it) oil deals, iraq will have a higher economy than Argentina with a population smaller than yours, it is set to become the largest oil producer in the world.
208 Pheel (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 09:33 pm Report abuse
205
The dictator was a West friend until the kuwaiti invasion. So, it weren´t his cruelty and brutal dictatorship an obstacle for that.
And the excuse was WMD, not dictatorship.

I remember reading a Royal Army critical analysis about the bestial assault on civilian villagers.

Most of western diplomats don´t see the Iraq destruction as anything more than a huge mistake. Specially those that have to deal with Iran or islamic terrorism.

The only winners were short-sighted businessmen, and the governments that empowered them. We will see how far they can take advantage.

Just bushism endorsed by “special related allies”.
209 Ale (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 09:37 pm Report abuse
Mr#207 If I may, A what price was all this achieve?. How many innocents civilians died based on lies? .Irak war was a disgrace not matter if Saddan was a terrible dictator, there are plenty more like him but they do not have oil like Irak and also do not forget when Sadam gas the Kurds the americans and british look the other way and keep selling arms to their old friend.
210 stick up your junta (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 09:47 pm Report abuse
Sadam gas the Kurds the americans and british look the other way and keep selling arms to their old friend.

To be fair we sold you argies arms whilst you were throwing your own people out of helicopters
211 Pheel (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 09:57 pm Report abuse
Just a pair of years later to Bloody Sunday where your Paras focused on killing all the irish civilians that they could.
And to somebody that made critics about the slow justice that we have here, remember that only in 2010 you made your officers accountable for the massacre.
212 stick up your junta (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 10:03 pm Report abuse
@211
Mind we have some catching up to do

The original ESMA was a complex located on Libertador Avenue, in the Autonomous City of Buenos Aires, in the barrio of Nuñez. It was the seat of Task Unit 3.3.2 - Unidad de Tareas 3.3.2,[1] charged with multiple instances of forced disappearance, torture and illegal execution, as well as appropriation of children born to mothers imprisoned there, followed by identity forgery and illegal adoption. ESMA was the largest detention center of its kind during the Dirty War.
213 Wireless (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 10:05 pm Report abuse
Pheel(208) You keep mentioning the 'Royal Army', when there hasn't been a Royal Army operated in the UK since 1689, when it became illegal for the Monarch to raise an Army.
214 Think (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 10:24 pm
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215 Zethee (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 10:30 pm Report abuse
“And the excuse was WMD, not dictatorship.”
I'm not debating that, i've said many times that our reasons for going were wrong, i also believe that going there was a mistake.

I also believe that we have given that nation democracy over a dictator who was killing his own people and allowing his children to rape and kill any women they felt like.

That nation with it's vast recources will grow to become one of the wealthy in the world.

Pheel. Compaired to the Dirty war bloody sunday was nothing, glass houses and all.
216 Pheel (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 10:56 pm Report abuse
We will see soon if a multitude of civilians and a lot of servicemen had been killed for someting worthy.
The strategic intentions and the probable results that you expect are difficult to be believed, but...hope for iraqis that you are right.
Nevertheless, better for the world if you keep your troops at home.
217 Ale (#) Sep 21st, 2010 - 11:35 pm Report abuse
Mr#210, YouWrote “To be fair we sold you argies arms whilst you were throwing your own people out of helicopters”
Those are the policies of UK gov. to sell weapons to self elected criminal governments around the world not to forget that some of those bombs sunk british ships in 1982.
218 Think (#) Sep 22nd, 2010 - 04:24 am Report abuse
(214)
Nice to see that the editor is keeping this site neat and clean.
Typing 214 times “Royal Army” at (214) was surely wrong and offended a lot of people :-)
From now on I will only type “Royal Army” once, only when neccessar
219 Rhaurie-Craughwell (#) Sep 22nd, 2010 - 09:40 am Report abuse
217

So Ale a bit like Argentina's criminal self declared claims to the Falklands, South Georgia, Antarctica and South Sandwich Islands, based on a criminal self declared right of inheritance declared by a criminally self elected Junta in 1816 which criminal violated the territorial integrity of the Spanish empire?

If you oppose such purchases Ale, why does Argentina still make use of them?
220 JPL (#) Sep 24th, 2010 - 02:38 am Report abuse
So that you so fiercely criticize the Argentines who took the Yehuin, should know where you are standing in the world. You should learn from these peaceful protesters.

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