Wednesday, November 24th 2010 - 21:21 UTC

Falklands/Malvinas: Brazil joins Argentina in criticizing UK’s “unilateral actions”

The Brazilian government questioned UK’s “unilateral actions” regarding the (Falklands) Malvinas Islands and called for the sovereignty “long standing dispute” to reach “as soon as possible a solution”.

Brazilian Defence minister Nelson Jobim

The words belong to Brazilian Defence minister Nelson Jobim who met with his Argentina peer Nilda Garré on the sidelines of the IX Conference of Ministers of Defence from the Americas which is taking place at the Bolivian city of Santa Cruz de la Sierra.

A release from the Argentine Defence ministry underlines Brazil’s support for Argentina’s claim over the Falklands and other South Atlantic Islands and adjoining maritime spaces, pointing out that unilateral measures and actions are not compatible with United Nations resolutions.

Minister Jobim recalled regional interest for the long standing sovereignty dispute between Argentina and the United Kingdom referred to “the Malvinas, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands and adjoining maritime spaces to reach as soon as possible a solution according to the pertinent resolutions from United Nations; declarations from the Organization of American States, Mercosur, Unasur and other regional and multilateral forums”.

Argentine Minister Garré thanked her Brazilian peer’s support statement adding that such declarations “contribute to consolidate even more the strategic alliance between both countries”.

On Monday during the opening speeches of the different ministers at the conference, Garré criticized the “persistent British occupation of the Malvinas Islands and the UK’s systematic denial to abide by United Nations resolutions”.

She also questioned UK “military exercises” in the Islands and “unilateral actions referred to the exploitation of natural resources which do not belong to the UK”.

The Argentine minister also warned about the possibility of a “major environmental catastrophe” in the Falklands/Malvinas waters (similar to what happened in the Gulf of Mexico with BP) because of the hydrocarbons activities.

In the framework of the Defence Ministers conference Argentina and Brazil signed a Joint Declaration calling for intensified Argentine-Brazilian defence cooperation in several fields.
 

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1 xbarilox (#) Nov 24th, 2010 - 09:47 pm Report abuse
United against the bloody scum of the earth.

”Minister Jobim recalled regional interest for the long standing sovereignty dispute between Argentina and the United Kingdom referred to “the Malvinas, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands and adjoining maritime spaces to reach as soon as possible a solution according to the pertinent resolutions from United Nations; declarations from the Organization of American States, Mercosur, Unasur and other regional and multilateral forums”.
2 WestisBest (#) Nov 24th, 2010 - 09:52 pm Report abuse
FFS. The UK is not exploiting natural resources, the Falkland Islands Government is. I just don't get why you pricks can't see the difference.

....unless (of course) it doesn't suit you arguement to aknowledge it.
;-p
3 stick up your junta (#) Nov 24th, 2010 - 10:08 pm Report abuse
The Argentine minister also warned about the possibility of a “major environmental catastrophe” in the Falklands/Malvinas waters (similar to what happened in the Gulf of Mexico with BP) because of the hydrocarbons activities.

Argies, not looking for oil then?
4 Beef (#) Nov 24th, 2010 - 10:26 pm Report abuse
Correct me if I am wrong but where in this article does it say Brazil demands that the UK give the Islands to Argentina? Oh that's right this is a verbal questioning of supposed unilateral actions. Actions that Brazil have actually facilitated by providing port facilities for ships moving to and from the Islands, oh and a rig btw.

Looks like Brazil is playing Argentina like a banjo again and Argentina is happy to be placated by such words.

Brazil has bigger fish to fry while Argentina is fretting about it's trade deficit with Brazil and an IMF that is going to teach an apparent specialist department how to calculate a CPI.

Honestly, politics can be a spectator sport or a comedy. With fists flying in Argentinas parliament and the clown that is CFK (and her IMF u-turn) it looks like our South American brothers can enjoy sport and comedy at the same time!
5 Think (#) Nov 24th, 2010 - 10:38 pm Report abuse
Yet another little nail on Britain's diplomatic coffin on the South Atlantic......
6 stick up your junta (#) Nov 24th, 2010 - 10:51 pm Report abuse
Yet another little nail on Britain's diplomatic coffin on the South Atlantic

Think you are weakest link (or missing) goodbye
7 Redhoyt (#) Nov 24th, 2010 - 11:17 pm Report abuse
yawn ......... !

Petty politics .. nothing of substance.
8 Zethee (#) Nov 24th, 2010 - 11:48 pm Report abuse
“United against the bloody scum of the earth.”

Don't cry for me..Argentina!

Oh, the tears!
9 Viscount Falkland (#) Nov 24th, 2010 - 11:51 pm Report abuse
The Argentine minister also warned about the possibility of a “major environmental catastrophe” in the Falklands/Malvinas waters (similar to what happened in the Gulf of Mexico with BP) because of the hydrocarbons activities.
........Did the Argentine minister also warn the Brazilian Government about the environmental catastrophe that is actually happening and has been happening for decades and it is called “deforestation”.Tropical deforestation is responsible for approximately 20% of world greenhouse gas emissions . Did the Argentine minister have a go at him on this or did he just witter on about a possible oil spill even though there are no rigs there yet but Argentina are already drilling on their side of the fence !
By the way,There is nowhere on earth called the “Malvinas” accept as a figment in the imagination of some Argentine politicians wanting a few more votes. Its called the Falkland Islands>
10 Ann Other (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 12:09 am Report abuse
Ah Brazil, thats where the nuts come from.
11 Kiwisarg (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 12:17 am Report abuse
you wrong Sorry!! It is called The Malvinas Island
12 Marcos Alejandro (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 12:37 am Report abuse
Argentine Minister Garré thanked her Brazilian peer’s support statement adding that such declarations “contribute to consolidate even more the strategic alliance between both countries”.

Britain is looking alone and out of touch.
13 free.comment (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 12:38 am Report abuse
Malvinas? some kind of Argentine holy-land?
14 briton (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 01:01 am Report abuse
Britain is looking alone and out of touch
If this is so then why haven’t you done something abt it,
we were alone in 1939 did it bother us, today the Argentineans still shout from behind the white flag , such hero's ,
[[[Garré thanked her Brazilian peer’s ]]]
you really mean they kissed their boots, yes master any word will help us.
you still don’t get it do you, it does not matter if over 100 countries give /and or promise support/ like they have , aren’t they nice friends.
The fact remains that they will not support you militarily , and that my argentine bloggers leave you looking like that little boy who sticks he's finger in the dam wall , waiting for his none existent friends to help him, just keep you finger there mate, im on my way ??? Honest
15 Redhoyt (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 01:33 am Report abuse
We're not alone, MoreCrap. In fact we are a Power in this world so we can never be alone. That's reality. Those of you that have no power will find this fact frustrating, but there is no natural law that says life has to be fair.

The various arguments over history and international law are meaningless unless tested in a court of law and the only one anywhere near capable of doing the job is the ICJ.

Argentina is like a terrier at a rat hole with it's constant nipping at the feet of the UN. The only thing that the UN can eventually do is suggest that the matter is taken to the ICJ.

So, all roads lead to the ICJ and yet the available evidence is that this is the one course of action that Argentina does not want. After all, the option is already available.

As to the future ... well there's something to be learnt from Gibraltar .... after all, we've been ignoring Spain for 300 years, so Argentina's 177 (nearly 178) years of frustration has a way to go yet :-)
16 Malvinense 1833 (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 02:15 am Report abuse
In fact we are a Power in this world so we can never be alone. That's reality. TRUTH
but there is no natural law that says life has to be fair. (We know this Malvinas) HONEST.
As to the future ... well there's something to be learnt from Gibraltar after all, we've been ignoring Spain for 300 years, so Argentina's 177 (nearly 178) years of frustration has a way to go yet . We have patience, in 300, 500, 1000 years, we're there.
17 Wireless (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 03:00 am Report abuse
As soon as you mentioned 1000 years I knew we were safe, there's too many Nazis amongst you for you own good, remember how long the Third Reich was supposed to last?
You'll be some tin pot junta again soon enough, mark my words, all you know how to do is talk big holding a gun, it's in your nature like White Flags and one-way helicopter rides for people you don't agree with.
18 Marcos Alejandro (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 03:07 am Report abuse
15Rotted, “In fact we are a Power in this world”
Power of what?

www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/8157153/Tuition-fee-protests-aerial-footage-of-police-van-attack.html
19 Redhoyt (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 03:23 am Report abuse
MoreCrap, I see that maturity continues to elude you ..... :-)

Protestors attacking a police van merely discredits the protest....... which may be why it was left in a vulnerable position .... with cameras present to facilitate future arrests maybe ........ or is my paranoia showing :-)
20 Marcos Alejandro (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 03:38 am Report abuse
Rotted, “In fact we are a Power in this world”
Don't forget to remind these young students! They didn't know.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8157372/Tuition-fees-protest-students-clash-with-police-in-Whitehall.html
21 Redhoyt (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 05:01 am Report abuse
They'll learn ... in fact, in 20 years or so one of them may even be repeating the line, “We have no doubt about our sovereignty ..... ”

:-)
22 Marcos Alejandro (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 05:59 am Report abuse
They'll learn ... in fact, in 20 months or so many of them may even be repeating the line, Malvinas Argentinas.
23 Redhoyt (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 06:00 am Report abuse
MoreCrap - you are wierd and obviously live on another planet lol
24 Marcos Alejandro (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 07:19 am Report abuse
Rotted, “In fact we are a Power in this world”

www.guardian.co.uk/education/2010/nov/24/student-protests-school-children-streets

Keep spending money in Malvinas ...
25 Redhoyt (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 07:39 am Report abuse
From the Great God Wiki - “ ... At present China, France, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States are sometimes referred to as great powers ...”

Sometimes, money is well spent :-)
26 NicoDin (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 10:00 am Report abuse
@Redhoyt

“great powers”

You forgot 2 words “Great Power of Piquteros”

ha ha ha ha
27 stillakelper (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 11:01 am Report abuse
Nilda Garre is desparate for “news” - look at the non-existant South African story. She has a small and diminishing ministry and has to keep up the hype to try to attract attention.

Of course you neighbour will whisper sweet nothings in your ear in the margins if you prompt him to do so. What does he say to the UK Ambassador the next week ?

Story no substance.
28 M_of_FI (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 11:46 am Report abuse
I knew when seeing the headline, I would see a phrase similar to “another step towards regaining the Malvinas”, or something to that effect. And as predictable as Mr Thunk is...“Yet another little nail on Britain's diplomatic coffin on the South Atlantic”. Honestly Think, you say something like that on every single story of when a South American nation reads off the Argentine hymn sheet. How many nails in Britain's coffin is it going to take? It sounds like a joke...well it actually is a joke. It is something the Argentines just cannot comprehend, I think it is has been caused by years of government oppression and that the fact that Argentina is just not used to the idea of Human Rights. It is up to the people who belong to the country. And until you can see past the lies regarding so called “implanting” etc etc and the lies concerning Britain's “unilateral” actions on the exploration of hydrocarbons in the Falklands, the Argentina Government and its people will continue to lose this battle that they have created.
29 Typhoon (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 12:52 pm Report abuse
@11 Only in la-la land!

@12 Britain likes being alone. Then we know that whatever we destroy is the enemy.

@16 But you'll be dead, dead, dead.

@22 Not much chance of that. It's just a dream in la-la land.

@24 We have loads of money, thanks. As witness that we can afford to loan Ireland £7 billion. And more movements are starting to get us out of the EU. So we will save even more money. I wonder how Spain will like a revived Britain?

Not to worry. Look forward to the day when the Falklands economy is bigger than that of Argentina. It will show you your proper place in the great scheme of things. Down near the bottom.
30 Denrich (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 04:03 pm Report abuse
Argentina yet again shows the world childish behaviour that would be expected of school children.

Or like the song “wanna be in my gang, my gang, my gang”

Grow some testicles Argentina, take the issue to the ICJ and stop crying to so called 'friends'.
31 yaghan (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 05:30 pm Report abuse
@30:
Shut up. Give back the land that is not yours.

“Thieves respect property; they merely wish the property to become their property that they may more perfectly respect it.”
G.K. Chesterton
32 stick up your junta (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 05:34 pm Report abuse
Give back the land that is not yours

Argentina take note :-)
33 Beef (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 08:19 pm Report abuse
Question for the Argie keyboard warriors (because they wouldn't have the balls for a real fight).

Are you angry that Brazil has been complicit in facilitating the oil exploration in Falkland Islands waters?

Just a question.
34 Think (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 08:50 pm Report abuse
(33) Beef

No.

A riddle for you..........
G u e s s w h a t B r i t o n s a r e ? :
(choose min. 5 definitions)

Humorists?
Classists?
Realists?
Racists?
Brits?

www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/nov/25/david-cameron-howard-flight-breeding
35 xbarilox (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 08:51 pm Report abuse
@ 33 Beef
We have the balls to fight, that's why in 1982, we fought against the UK and helpers. If there is someone without balls that is the UK.
This time the fight would be Argentina vs the UK, or Argentina against the UK plus 10 or 15 countries like 1982? lol But there will be no war anyway.
Angry with Brazil? Why? “Brazil joins Argentina in criticizing UK's unilateral actions” There is no reason to be angry, it's the opposite.
36 stick up your junta (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 08:59 pm Report abuse
@ think
Ref the breeding row,we could go down the line of your great mates

pangaea.org/street_children/latin/brazil.htm
37 xbarilox (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 09:07 pm Report abuse
stick up your junta and his time machine, yet another Newsflash!
38 Think (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 10:27 pm Report abuse
THIMC

Argentinean proposal about “Refusal of Service” for all Malvinas related shipping on all ports of Unasur’s member states. ….

Today, 25/11/2010, Unasur meeting, Georgetown….. Hot and humid…….

www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQI8pMWXE2k
39 Beef (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 11:06 pm Report abuse
Xbox. Clearly fighting by your definition is running with white flags waving and poking in post offices. You cleary were nor very food at it if you couldn't invade an maintain a presence in some Islands just off your coast. Good luck to you pal!

You are right about one thing though, there will be no second war. Looks like you learnt the first time not go go back for a second battering.

But you are not angry that Brazil has facilitated the oil drilling in the Islands! Very interesting, you must not really care about the exploration then.

Drill bit is still turning. You lot are not very effective are you? On the other hand you could grow up and collaborate or we can go down the FPSO route and cut you out of any deal altogether.
40 briton (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 11:08 pm Report abuse
In short, modern-day Argentina has neither the capability nor the political will to invade the Falklands – so it is quite ludicrous for Lord West and his friends to claim that Britain is about to suffer a humiliation on the scale of the loss of Singapore. It may well be true that we will no longer be able to send a proper task force to recover the islands. But their defence still remains an important consideration – which is why today’s garrison is 10 times the size it was in the early 1980s, and is supported by a squadron of Typhoon interceptors
www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/concoughlin/8127539/Lord-West-should-stop-worrying-about-the-Falklands.html
argentine bloggers eat your words .
41 Redhoyt (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 11:10 pm Report abuse
“ ... Argentinean proposal about “Refusal of Service” for all Malvinas related shipping on all ports of Unasur’s member states. ….”

All services Think? Or just oil services?

And will Brazil commit ...... really commit?
42 Think (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 11:23 pm Report abuse
(41) Hoyt
Details being discussed as I write....

My personal opinion.......

Live necesssities (basic life-sustaining goods as food, medicines, toilet paper printed with argentinean flags etc.) should be allowed...... under the condition that they are bought and shipped from Argentina :-)
43 briton (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 11:33 pm Report abuse
Interesting video, if ive grasped this correctly Argentina is upset that the [AA] [RAC] have taken their 3 star rating away for shoddy workmanship and ripping off customers, so in retaliation Argentina is refusing to service some ships . The Falklands will now employ proper repairers or send them to the UK. [was that right]
OH OH And the toilet paper, yes they should be allowed [think] so the islanders can swipe their shxt on your flag and throw it down the drain,
44 xbarilox (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 11:48 pm Report abuse
“argentine bloggers eat your words” briton and Beef, you're nuts, who is thinking of ivading the islands? Even if we had the capability, this is a democratically elected government, not a dictatorship, like that of 1982. We would never do such a thing. So calm down, you suckers. haha
45 briton (#) Nov 25th, 2010 - 11:53 pm Report abuse
We are calm
we are not the country that wants something it cannot have.
We are not desperate .
We are not argentinian
? now if only Argentina would cease all aggresion towards the islanders and the british, [god bless them] we can all sleep in peace,
46 Monty69 (#) Nov 26th, 2010 - 12:04 am Report abuse
Think, your personal opinion....stinks :-)

It's also completely irrelevant; as if there will ever come a time when we have to buy medicines from you!
It is so not in our interests to have to depend on you for anything. Why do you think there is no air link to Argentina?
47 briton (#) Nov 26th, 2010 - 12:12 am Report abuse
They say, you don’t miss something until it has gone, cannot Argentina understand this simple yet natural fact of life, if you deny the Falklands of everything, and the Falklands in turn, turn to the UK and the rest of the free world for its items, where then does this leave Argentina ,
it leaves you, amongst others, the same country that will destroy the very thing it tells the world that it wants, now how stupid is this.
the only thing you and the Falklands will ever have in common, is that you both live on the same planet ?? [it really is that simple]
48 Zethee (#) Nov 26th, 2010 - 12:15 am
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49 WestisBest (#) Nov 26th, 2010 - 12:26 am
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50 xbarilox (#) Nov 26th, 2010 - 12:49 am Report abuse
@ 46 Monty:“Why do you think there is no air link to Argentina?” Are you trying to say that British people don't come to Argentina? I hope you're not.haha There are no air links for many reasons, not because “It is so not in our interests to have to depend on you for anything.” You obviously are living inside a tupperware, or the British government still haven't received your new directives haha
51 Malvinense 1833 (#) Nov 26th, 2010 - 01:00 am Report abuse
My opinion: know more, we can go there and you here.
We have to speak, is the only way to reach a solution.
52 Redhoyt (#) Nov 26th, 2010 - 01:03 am Report abuse
But why do we need a solution? There is no problem :-)
53 WestisBest (#) Nov 26th, 2010 - 01:23 am
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54 Malvinense 1833 (#) Nov 26th, 2010 - 01:43 am Report abuse
bravo, bravo, that education! not a country, is territory Argentine encroached.
55 Redhoyt (#) Nov 26th, 2010 - 01:50 am Report abuse
A Declaration of Independence on the Kosovo model, and a coutry they would be :-)
56 lsolde (#) Nov 26th, 2010 - 09:25 am Report abuse
@51 Malvinense, what would you like to talk about? l'm listening.
57 Zethee (#) Nov 26th, 2010 - 01:26 pm Report abuse
“A Declaration of Independence on the Kosovo model, and a coutry they would be”

It's not possible with Argentina around, they'll just invade again the moment we leave.
58 Typhoon (#) Nov 26th, 2010 - 05:24 pm Report abuse
I don't understand this. The “dispute” was resolved in 1982. Argentina tried to assert sovereignty and got its ass kicked. Dispute over.
59 yaghan (#) Nov 26th, 2010 - 06:48 pm Report abuse
#33 Brave words from someone who served where?
“The French courage proceeds from vanity—the German from phlegm—the Turkish from fanaticism & opium—the Spanish from pride—the English from coolness—the Dutch from obstinacy—the Russian from insensibility—but the Italian from anger”
George Gordon Noel Byron
#57 So you are keeping the islands just to avoid invasion? OMG, who´s the indoctrinated side here?
“It can be considered a rule that the probable duration of an Empire may be prognosticated by the degree to which its rulers believe in their own propaganda.”
Doris Lessing
#58 The UN thinks differently. Try reading its resolutions!
60 Monty69 (#) Nov 26th, 2010 - 07:45 pm Report abuse
You're quite right Xbox. One flight a month does stop at some godforsaken hole in Patagonia. You must also be aware that the Argentine government wants a more regular sheduled flight between the Falkland Islands and other cities in Argentina. This is the bit that isn't in our interests.
So you've stopped charter flights coming in here. Cunning; now your own veterans and bereaved families can't charter a plane to come and visit the graves of their loved ones. Nice one. Hurts us, but hurts you too. How is that a good thing, you bunch of saddoes?
61 briton (#) Nov 26th, 2010 - 07:57 pm Report abuse
last week your government told you all it had taken back the islands
and kicked out the British? today you sunk the Royal Navy, and sent the rest packing, tomorrow you will kick out the R.A.F. when are you Argentineans going to stop listening to all the crap from your government, [only joking]
and except the truth, the Falklands are british, and Argentina has not the will, or the guts, to take them . all you have in reserve is a couple of white flags '''''''''''''''''''''''''''Have you ever thought of applying for British nationality, and become proud like we are, or stay as Argentinean , moaning/crying/begging/ for something you can never have.
Come on you argy bloggers we know you secretly admire us, and wish to be part of a great dynasty, [British you know it makes sense ? ]
62 Kiwisarg (#) Nov 26th, 2010 - 08:27 pm Report abuse
Of course,60 Monty69 you and other brits have more connection you are interested in us. remain totally isolated in a very close when all South America will close all ports and airports and see what we can do brits. You would be on his knees. I think stopped your stupids comments.
63 Zethee (#) Nov 26th, 2010 - 08:31 pm Report abuse
“#57 So you are keeping the islands just to avoid invasion? OMG, who´s the indoctrinated side here?”

No..We are keeping the islands because the current residents do not want to be a part of Argentina.

We are keeping our forces there to stop Argentina from invading again.
64 briton (#) Nov 26th, 2010 - 08:32 pm Report abuse
why all south America ??
only Argentina will close all her ports, and only Argentina will suffer.
The rest of south America will be partying with all the new businesses
65 xbarilox (#) Nov 26th, 2010 - 08:58 pm Report abuse
63 Zethee “We are keeping our forces there to stop Argentina from invading again.” Zethee, where did you get these ideas from? Didn't you read Lord West's words? We don't have neither the capability, nor the will to invade Las Malvinas. You should believe his words.
66 Monty69 (#) Nov 26th, 2010 - 09:04 pm Report abuse
62 Kiwisarg
Unfortunately you're still making the same stupid comments. On our knees???? I don't think so. You flatter yourselves.
67 Zethee (#) Nov 26th, 2010 - 09:33 pm Report abuse
“We don't have neither the capability, nor the will to invade Las Malvinas. You should believe his words.”

Sigh, i'll say again(for probably the fourth time to you) we don't expect Argentina to invade, the forces are there are just there to make sure Argentina does not invade.

Put simply: We don't trust you.
68 yaghan (#) Nov 26th, 2010 - 09:39 pm Report abuse
“You may be deceived if you trust too much, but you will live in torment if you do not trust enough.”
69 Monty69 (#) Nov 26th, 2010 - 10:20 pm Report abuse
Well I must be not trusting just the right amount because I certainly don't feel tormented :-)
70 Zethee (#) Nov 26th, 2010 - 11:04 pm Report abuse
“You may be deceived if you trust too much, but you will live in torment if you do not trust enough.”

Personally i don't trust people who's actions have proven them untrustworthy.
71 xbarilox (#) Nov 26th, 2010 - 11:05 pm Report abuse
67 Zethee: ”Sigh, i'll say again(for probably the fourth time to you) we don't expect Argentina to invade, the forces are there are just there to make sure Argentina does not invade“ and then ”Put simply: We don't trust you.“ You say that the forces are there to make sure Argentina does not invade. If we don't have neither the capability nor the political will, that means we don't have neither the capability nor the will to invade, and that is true. Then you say ”we don't trust you” haha that means you think that we have the capability to invade if we have the will. Sos un burro pibe, no vales un cazzo. Zethee, you are brain dead sob haha you are not mentally competent to see you are contradicting yourself everytime you post a new comment. Piss off, jackass.
72 Monty69 (#) Nov 26th, 2010 - 11:09 pm Report abuse
You didn't have the capability last time but that didn't stop you did it? I'm sure you are capable of making another unpleasant mess and we don't want that.
73 xbarilox (#) Nov 26th, 2010 - 11:13 pm Report abuse
Monty69 that was a dictatorship, you chronic thumb sucker, this is a democratically elected government.
74 Monty69 (#) Nov 26th, 2010 - 11:32 pm Report abuse
'this is a democratically elected government'.....of course it is, well done you. The USA has one too you know, and those dastardly warmongering Brits.
;-)
75 WestisBest (#) Nov 26th, 2010 - 11:37 pm
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76 Monty69 (#) Nov 26th, 2010 - 11:39 pm Report abuse
That's horrid, Westie. Are you encouraging him to abuse me with nasty words?
77 WestisBest (#) Nov 26th, 2010 - 11:42 pm Report abuse
Nope, just hoping he'll report me to the editor like the grass I'm sure he is.
78 Redhoyt (#) Nov 27th, 2010 - 12:01 am Report abuse
Xbrain - we don't trust your democratically elected government either!

I'm surprised that you do ?
79 xbarilox (#) Nov 27th, 2010 - 02:21 am
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80 Ant (#) Nov 27th, 2010 - 05:14 am Report abuse
if you are interested:
www.laprensa.com.ar/368170-Unasur-prohibira-el-ingreso-a-sus-puertos-de-barcos-con-la-bandera-ilegal-de-Malvinas.note.aspx

www.google.com.ar/search?q=ilegal+bandera+de+las+malvinas&hl=es&client=firefox-a&hs=8OY&rls=org.mozilla:es-ES:official&channel=s&prmd=n&ei=fpHwTMCvOIyr8AaJ7ei6Cg&start=0&sa=N
81 lsolde (#) Nov 27th, 2010 - 06:03 am Report abuse
well it seems that Malvinense is tongue-tied, doesn't have anything to talk about. any more of you malvinistas want to“negotiate” ? negotiate means give & take, make concessions. now what are you going to give us? what concessions are you going to make? it will have to be very, very good! we are listening
82 Redhoyt (#) Nov 27th, 2010 - 06:22 am Report abuse
Ant - nothing in the english press then ... no press release from UNASUR ... only reported in Argentina .... wow!
83 WestisBest (#) Nov 27th, 2010 - 09:34 am Report abuse
@79 I see my comment @75 has been deleted, knew you'd lose your cool in the end and squeal to the editor Xbox. If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.
;-)
84 NicoDin (#) Nov 27th, 2010 - 10:18 am Report abuse
@Redhoyt

Why Brits only believe what its in English?
The sun and the moon don’t speak English and are there have you noted that.

Well just in case
Gotcha
momento24.com/en/2010/11/26/unasur-countries-pledged-not-to-allow-the-dock-for-boats-with-the-illegal-flag-of-malvinas-falkland-islands/
85 Redhoyt (#) Nov 27th, 2010 - 11:37 am Report abuse
Same as the Buenos Aires Herald .... which I'd already seen. So, two reports in Argentina, but no official press release as yet from UNASUR. Will there be? And what boats fly the Falkland Islands flag ? The British Royal Navy doesn't. The commercial shipping of other coutries does not, even though they may be supplying the islands and the exploration process. So how does this count as a result exactly?

Not certain what you got NiceButDim, but it ain't me :-)
86 WestisBest (#) Nov 27th, 2010 - 11:58 am Report abuse
@ 84
AFAIK there is just one commercial boat in the whole world that this could effect, a real triumph there NicoDin, that'll bring us to our knees.
87 stick up your junta (#) Nov 27th, 2010 - 12:07 pm Report abuse
www.flags.net/FAIS.htm

I have a cunning plan, fold the Falklands flag so that it just shows the union jack and bingo beat the blockade
88 Rhaurie-Craughwell (#) Nov 27th, 2010 - 12:08 pm Report abuse
Ant, quite funny it says flying the Falklands flag is illegal when vessels bound for the Falklands tend to use the British red ensign, didn't take long to spot the gaping hole in that logic.

D'oh!
89 Malvinense 1833 (#) Nov 27th, 2010 - 03:18 pm Report abuse
@ Hi Isolde, is a beautiful spring day in my city, it is always that better to be stuck at home with computer.
Isolde, everyone can win, have to be smart.
1) return to Argentina.
2) Shared Sovereignty
3) Hong Kong-style solution.
In all three cases we all win.
In Argentina the last 2 points gives and takes.
Let's talk, let's find the solution.
removed from the video so you do not like it, but speaking it can be!!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJwA2QhVGTQ
90 Redhoyt (#) Nov 27th, 2010 - 03:25 pm Report abuse
No solution required, because there's no problem!

Argentina can rant and rave - no problem!

South America can rant and rave - no problem!

The Falkland Islander's will make their own decisions but with South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands, the British will remain in the South Atlantic ..... get used to it!!

:-)
91 lsolde (#) Nov 27th, 2010 - 03:44 pm Report abuse
@89. thank you for your reply.by your list l can't see how we all can win, only Argentina wins
1)return to Argentina, (can't return to what never was. & what would be in it for us?).
2)Shared Sovereignty(why should we surrender half of our sovereignty & whats in it for us?).
3)Hong Kong style situation(once again, surrendering our sovereignty to a foreign power who has no moral or legal rights over us & whats in it for us?).
In all three cases Argentina wins, we don't. in the last two, from Argentina's view, you may have compromised a little but we have lost our identity, our sovereignty.
no, Malvinense it is not enough. you have not come up with anyting new
you are not willing to recognise us as an independant people, with the government WE choose. as we have said, there is nothing to discuss and there you have it
92 Malvinense 1833 (#) Nov 27th, 2010 - 03:45 pm Report abuse
Red, you look like him, no problem, no problem www.youtube.com/watch?v=21fRA1VrLPo
Isoldeeee, you there.
93 WestisBest (#) Nov 27th, 2010 - 03:46 pm Report abuse
@89

What is the benefit for us (the Falkland Islanders) in your 3 scenarios Malvinense? I can't see any I'm afraid. You want a 'solution' so what can you offer?
94 Malvinense 1833 (#) Nov 27th, 2010 - 04:32 pm Report abuse
@ Isolde, you said : negotiate means give & take, make concessions. you do not make any concessions.
@West, www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/matthew_parris/article7043099.ece
95 stick up your junta (#) Nov 27th, 2010 - 04:55 pm Report abuse
@94
Yes Mr Parris the voice of reason

www.lcc.org.uk/index.asp?PageID=1056

www.movingtargetzine.com/article/matthew-parris-apologises-for-beheading-cyclists-joke-in-times-2-cyclists-killed-over-weekend
96 WestisBest (#) Nov 27th, 2010 - 08:43 pm Report abuse
@94 Yeah I've read that one before, Stopping making life difficult for us wasn't the sort of thing I was talking about (Isn't that what they used to call a protection racket...accept our deal or else).....so....I'll ask again: what benefits to us Falkland Islanders can Argentine sovereignty offer?
97 briton (#) Nov 27th, 2010 - 09:05 pm Report abuse
Argentina cannot offer or give you anything, that’s why they will just take it [if they could] they have tried to get south America to send military help [no one cares] so they try south Africa, [they have no interest either] so who's next, will they try china perhaps, if they offered china minerals’ or other goods in return for help against the dreaded British, perhaps china will send its fleet, after all is not china expected to be the next worlds powerful nation, perhaps Argentina could beg them for help.
And guess what, they will have no interest either, so just give up the fight, you will never get the Falklands never, never, never
98 Redhoyt (#) Nov 28th, 2010 - 12:22 am Report abuse
Marvin, I've already told you that I don't do youtube ... but then your Argentine aren't you ... and not inclined to listen.

Argentina is impotent. There is no problem and the islanders will continue along much as they have done for 177 years .... 177 years 11 months :-)
99 NicoDin (#) Nov 28th, 2010 - 04:50 am Report abuse
“Argentina cannot offer or give you anything”

We can offer you 30 days warning note before the foreclosure.
So you have some time to arrange your transportation back to UK.

This is a real good offer take it before gone as the Menen offer in the '90.
Then don't complain mates!
100 Kiwisarg (#) Nov 28th, 2010 - 05:30 am Report abuse
Hi 98Redhoyt, I think 177 years 11 months was too mach time, man!! All the briths in the Islands has few time,Time to come back to UK , The colonies is over. Remmeber Singapore was a colony so was over, All the South America People do not like English Army there, and also stealing our recourses for 177 years and 11 moths. Go home!! or shut up.
101 Redhoyt (#) Nov 28th, 2010 - 06:30 am Report abuse
Idiot boy Kiwisarg - “ ... Go home!! or shut up....” - I choose to do neither! Now try and make me :-)
102 lsolde (#) Nov 28th, 2010 - 07:21 am Report abuse
@100Kiwisarg sounds like a silly little nino.
1)there is no such thing as the English Army. not since 1707 anyway.
2)we are not stealing your resources, they are our resources.
3)you are the one who should shut up until your brain engages.
@99NicoDin. another threatening macho-man and don't call me mate. you could never be my mate with a stand-over attitude that you have. what a hero!
@94Malvinense.what sort of concessions would you like to see us make(apart from the ridiculous 3 that you mentioned,)? AND more importantly what sort of concessions are YOU willing to make?
please think of something new & don't repeat yourself.
e.g. would you be willing to give us joint sovereignty over say TDF,Santa Cruz & Chubut provinces? awaiting your response.
saludos
103 Domingo (#) Nov 28th, 2010 - 08:20 am Report abuse
@59: '#58 The UN thinks differently. Try reading its resolutions!'
Yaghan, I have read its resolutions & its Charter. Accordingly:

” The General Assembly requests the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to initiate negotiations with a view to finding the means to resolve peacefully and definitively the problems pending between both countries, including all aspects on the future of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas), in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations”

but the AR ended oil & fishery agreements, not the UK

The UN GA requests that the AR & UK find a peaceful solution to AR's dispute. I would suggest AR should take its claims to the ICJ under Article 92 of the UN Charter as the appropriate way forward

However, the future of the Falklands is not the decision of the UK, AR or the UN. It is the decision of the Falklanders

The Falklands is a territory to which the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples 1514(XV) applies and the Islanders right to exercise self-determination is recognised by the General Assembly including Argentina, who voted for this resolution to apply to the case of the Falklands Islands

The Islanders in accordance with the Charter of the UN, i.e. Article 73 & resolution 1514(XV) continue to exercise their right to self -determination and their choice of free association

The basis of the dispute is Argentine politics; let AR test the merit or otherwise of its sovereignty claims at the ICJ

Right now, Argentina is in breach of resolutions 1514(XV), 2065(XX) & Articles 73 & 74 of the UN Charter & UNCLOS in its current policy of systematic political, economic & racial persecution of the Falklanders

Argentina should cease all its prejudicial acts against the Falklanders immediately to conform with international law & acceptable norms of behaviour; The ICJ is there to be used, Argentina should use it rather than resort to illegal persecution
104 WestisBest (#) Nov 28th, 2010 - 10:33 am Report abuse
@99 NicoDin
“We can offer you 30 days warning note before the foreclosure.
So you have some time to arrange your transportation back to UK.”

LOL, an Argentinian threatening foreclosure...that's a laugh! I reckon you should pay off YOUR overdue debts before threatening anyone else with foreclosure.
:-)
105 briton (#) Nov 28th, 2010 - 11:34 pm Report abuse
what you need argies, are a few leaks ??
106 NicoDin (#) Nov 29th, 2010 - 02:45 am Report abuse
@Brits

You are expending your precious time mates, try to arrange your trip back to UK before its is too late.

Have a nice trip and say hello to Mr. camerum.
107 lsolde (#) Nov 29th, 2010 - 09:23 am Report abuse
@NicoDin, got your travel booked back to Spain or ltaly, have you? too late for what? are you going to send in xbox's marines again? or try to get Brazil &/or South Africa to do the job for you?
108 WestisBest (#) Nov 29th, 2010 - 09:31 am Report abuse
@ 106

Yawwwwn....we've heard it all before Nico.
109 Redhoyt (#) Nov 29th, 2010 - 12:41 pm Report abuse
” ... Borders & Southern Petroleum (BUY, £1.50) (BOR, 66.25p, ▼ (0.75%)) announced that it has signed a contract with Ocean Rig UDW Inc. for the provision of mobile drilling rig services using the Eirik Raude drilling unit, a dynamically positioned, harsh environment semi-submersible. On completion of its current contract in West Africa in October 2011, the rig will be mobilised to the Falkland Islands to commence a two well drilling programme. The wells on the Darwin and Stebbing prospects are currently estimated to take approximately 45 days each. The contract allows for up to three option wells....”

New today .... well, life goes on :-)
110 M_of_FI (#) Nov 29th, 2010 - 01:47 pm Report abuse
How can another argue with Xbox...? the person is an actual moron. He has no concept of what is actually going on in the Falklands, and just interprets what everyone says in here to what he wants to here...hey, wait a minute, it sounds like every other Argentine poster on MercoPress!!!
111 Juanweather (#) Nov 29th, 2010 - 03:04 pm Report abuse
“How can another argue with Xbox...? the person is an actual moron. He has no concept of what is actually going on in the Falklands, and just interprets what everyone says in here to what he wants to here...hey, wait a minute, it sounds like every other Argentine poster on MercoPress!!!”

Just as kelpers, talking about the world! what do they know if they are totally isolated! LOL

WHAT A DUMBASS THIS M_OF_FI !!!!
112 J.A. Roberts (#) Nov 29th, 2010 - 04:27 pm Report abuse
Erm, Juan, most Falkland Islanders are far better travelled than most Argentines. Hardly isolated.
113 Juanweather (#) Nov 29th, 2010 - 04:39 pm Report abuse
I said isolated, not prisoners.

c'mon! islanders better travellers?, this british are AMUSING!
114 J.A. Roberts (#) Nov 29th, 2010 - 06:14 pm Report abuse
Who said prisoners? I certainly didn't. They Falkland Islanders are much better travelled than most Argentines. Most Argentines have not left Argentina, let alone South America - unless of course they are trying to get away to find work and improve their prospects.
115 briton (#) Nov 29th, 2010 - 07:31 pm Report abuse
Argentina still lives in the past, and it will always live in the past,
116 Monty69 (#) Nov 29th, 2010 - 07:45 pm Report abuse
Juan, if making stuff up and then hearing other people put you right is what amuses you, then go ahead; we can keep this up forever.

You can have absolutely no basis for saying we are 'totally isolated', apart from your own ignorant prejudice. Because it isn't true.
117 briton (#) Nov 29th, 2010 - 08:02 pm Report abuse
he will be telling us Argentina could conquer the world next .
118 yaghan (#) Nov 29th, 2010 - 09:56 pm Report abuse
“If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is a part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us.”
Herman Hesse, Demian
119 Redhoyt (#) Nov 30th, 2010 - 01:50 am Report abuse
Well, the Falkland Islands are not a part of Argentina so you should be fine :-)
120 JB (#) Nov 30th, 2010 - 03:59 am
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121 Redhoyt (#) Nov 30th, 2010 - 04:07 am Report abuse
This is an english forum ... do try harder :-)

The Falkland Islands are British .... get used to it!
122 lsolde (#) Nov 30th, 2010 - 09:35 am Report abuse
wanted the south atlantic islands, antarctica's resources & control of shipping around cape horn, did you? well we are the boys(&girls)who will stop your little game. concentrate on developing your own country (great potential) & stop moaning about what is not yours.
123 Viscount Falkland (#) Nov 30th, 2010 - 01:19 pm Report abuse
So Argentina thinks that the Falkland islanders may want to become Argentinians !
Argentina did not have it first free elections until 1916 ! and then after a dreadful facist era (Peron) they lost control to the army who run a dictatorship for 17 years ,until the residents got fed up with the disappeared/Desaparecidos which reached about 30'000 deaths plus ,God knows how many more were tortured. So too make themselves popular,the Junta decided to invade the Falklands .3 months later the British army defeated the military and the Junta fell,giving Argentina back to the people,freeing them of the tyranny and fear of their own government. If it were not for the Falklands.....Uraguay may still be protesting to the Argentine government about the number of bodies arriving downstream and floating in its harbour. The population of Argentina have a lot to thank the Falklands for and could live in a more peaceful manner. The Falkland Islanders wish no ill will on the people of Argentina and just want to live in peace with all their neighours and all their neighbours to respect their rights as free people.
124 NicoDin (#) Nov 30th, 2010 - 07:03 pm Report abuse
@ Viscount Falkland

“So Argentina thinks that the Falkland islanders may want to become Argentinians !”

Certainly not, islander should leave to where they belong. I mean Great Britain after all its what they claim to part of.

We want them to be very happy where their wonderful culture will remain intact and keep their values, like the Queen, the fish and chips, the Kebabs, the British law, English heritage, etc.

So they should go home where else?

Do you know any other place in the world better than Britain to be British?
125 stick up your junta (#) Nov 30th, 2010 - 07:45 pm Report abuse
And you argies will no doubt be happy back in Spain and Italy
126 yaghan (#) Nov 30th, 2010 - 09:26 pm Report abuse
“Conceit, arrogance, and egotism are the essentials of patriotism. ... Patriotism assumes that our globe is divided into little spots, each one surrounded by an iron gate. Those who have had the fortune of being born on some particular spot, consider themselves better, nobler, grander, more intelligent than the living beings inhabiting any other spot. It is, therefore, the duty of everyone living on that chosen spot to fight, kill, and die in the attempt to impose his superiority upon all the others.”
Emma Goldman- Patriotism: a menace to liberty
127 stick up your junta (#) Nov 30th, 2010 - 10:27 pm Report abuse
Those who have had the fortune of being born on some particular spot, consider themselves better, nobler, grander, more intelligent than the living beings inhabiting any other spot

Sounds very much like a Argie
128 Viscount Falkland (#) Nov 30th, 2010 - 11:15 pm Report abuse
General Julio Argentino Roca's military campaign in the 1870s established Argentine dominance over the southern Pampas and Patagonia, subdued the remaining native peoples, and left 1,300 indigenous dead. some contemporary sources indicate that it was campaign of genocide by the Argentine government.Those who have had the fortune of being born on some particular spot,Buenos Aires consider themselves better, nobler, grander, more intelligent than the living beings inhabiting any other spot.

P.s old joke...How does an Argentinian commit suicide....he jumps off his own ego !
129 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 12:20 am Report abuse
128 Viscount, British commited genocide around the world for hundreds of years, Native Americans, All over Africa, Ireland, India and many others places around the world where millions died as a consequence of British cruelty, the most recent one Irak. So shut up and read your own history books.
130 Monty69 (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 12:46 am Report abuse
126 yaghan ......couldn't have put it better myself. You Argentines are the most patriotic people I know. In fact your whole obsession with the Falklands is about patriotism and nothing else. So why don't you take your own advice? Your patriotism is certainly a menace to my liberty.
131 xbarilox (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 01:59 am Report abuse
Talking about Mental Illness hahaha

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/8026971/Aliens-have-deactivated-British-and-US-nuclear-missiles-say-US-military-pilots.html

www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/09/27/are-space-aliens-in-control-of-british-and-us-nuclear-missiles

goo goo ga ga I'm sure lady gaga is an alien, she is deactivating your nuclear missiles haha

www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8mXfdjvGX4
132 Domingo (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 06:05 am Report abuse
@124: Nico, forced population transfer and appropriation of property is wrong. In fact, it is a grave breach of international law. No-one should advocate it.

The Falklanders home is the Falkland Islands because that is where they were born, lived and died for many generations, just in the same why Argentina is home for Argentines.

The Falklanders are already at home where they belong, the Falkland Islands and it is not for you or anyone else to decide they must live elsewhere and then to coerce and intimidate them to bend to your will.
That is also wrong and against international law.

If the Falklanders choose to live in the Falkland Islands, this is their free choice, and it must be respected in the same way an Argentine choses to call Argentine their home and choses to live in Argentina.
133 Redhoyt (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 07:57 am Report abuse
You are a brave man Domingo, trying to talk sense to NiceButDim .... he'll throw a youtube link at you :-)
134 WestisBest (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 11:12 am Report abuse
@Marcos 129

VF was merely throwing Yaghans quote back in his teeth, he was not excusing Britains past actions. Whatever atrocities Britain has commited in the past are not relevant to the Falklands though Marcos. They didn't commit any here.....or do you think that just because Britian has a bloody history you can take retribution for that on us.

You Argies are always banging on about legality, If someone steals your car you don't steal it back, you take him to court. If you think our presence in the Falklands is illegitimate then take us to court.

Simple.
135 Viscount Falkland (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 11:17 am Report abuse
@Marcos, even your own Govenor got slaughtered by his own people when in November 1832, Argentina sent another governor 'Don Juan Esteban Mestivier' to found a penal settlement who was killed in a mutiny after just 4 days. A rum bunch !
136 Juanweather (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 01:53 pm Report abuse
“VF was merely throwing Yaghans quote back in his teeth, he was not excusing Britains past actions. Whatever atrocities Britain has commited in the past are not relevant to the Falklands though Marcos. They didn't commit any here.....or do you think that just because Britian has a bloody history you can take retribution for that on us.

You Argies are always banging on about legality, If someone steals your car you don't steal it back, you take him to court. If you think our presence in the Falklands is illegitimate then take us to court.

Simple.”

You are DISGUSTING, makes me sick reading you. Leaving behind that U.K has commited those atrocities, and still is of your admiration tells a lot of you.

Thus in the 2º paragraph not just implicitly accept you are illegaly occupying territory, but laught at us about it.
We are not going to ICJ, for the simple fact that the court is marred by powerfull nations (U.K empire in your case).

Would you go on trial against Bill gates because he robbed (perhaps a computer program) you? who would win? do you really think you've got a chance?
We are realistic, until we gain more power and allies, we are not going to ICJ...

Still, things are being done properly and in due time.
137 Redhoyt (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 02:12 pm Report abuse
Any old excuse to avoid having Argentina's spurious claims tested in an international court of law. Your statement also shows how little you understand of the ICJ. But all roads lead there.

The only way for Argentina to make any headway with its lies is to convince the UN General Assembly that they have a case, and then the UNGA is likely to suggest the matter goes to the ICJ.

No ICJ = no future for Argentina's claims.

As for the British Empire, I am immensely proud of it. The British did no more than any of their counterparts in other nations. Many nations tried to get an empire, some succeeded, we were better at it than anyone else. Now that IS something to be proud of. Argentina is still trying to get its empire ... but it will fail. The Falkland islands are British!

get used to it :-)
138 WestisBest (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 02:33 pm Report abuse
“Leaving behind that U.K has commited those atrocities, and still is of your admiration tells a lot of you.”

You can read an awful lot out of not very much Juan, I did not excuse Britains bloody past or even her present military activities, I merely pointed out that in the Falklands there had been none of the atrocities that had happened elsewhere in the time of the Empire, any violence in the Falklands past lies at Argentinas door not Britains.

“Thus in the 2º paragraph not just implicitly accept you are illegaly occupying territory, but laught at us about it.”

If you read it correctly you'll find that I'm not implying any such thing.
The stolen car line is an analogy, nothing more. Nor do I laugh at you, sneer perhaps.

”We are not going to ICJ, for the simple fact that the court is marred by powerfull nations (U.K empire in your case). Would you go on trial against Bill gates because he robbed (perhaps a computer program) you? who would win? do you really think you've got a chance?
We are realistic, until we gain more power and allies, we are not going to ICJ...”

What a very Argentine approach, try to arrange it so you get the result you want no matter what, why not convene your own Kangeroo court if it'll make you feel better. The 'ICJ is marred by powerful nations' line is a red herring, The real reason you're not going to the ICJ is you'd lose becuse our case is stronger than your case, no ammount of 'allies' and 'power' is going to change that.
139 Viscount Falkland (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 02:35 pm Report abuse
You won't go to the IJC because you have not got enough corrupted partners on your side . You have a problem accepting that the Falklands do not belong to you.They are a United Kingdom Overseas Territory by choice. By choice of the people who have lived there for generations.Your last Junta tried to take what was not thiers and got a swift rebuke. Your previous Junta's altered your history books and now you poor fools don't have a chance of understanding why the International community continually support Britain who has never re-written its history books. Throwing all your toys out of the pram just makes you all look silly. As a nation you have the emotional intelligence of a four year old .
140 Juanweather (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 02:37 pm Report abuse
@137

1- It's not a statement, it's common sense. And I'm sure you are as ignorant/informed as me when it comes to ICJ. So don't get too cocky with me...

2- No empire! conquering times are over, Malvinas are Argentine took by pirates. Get that on your head and you will suffer less when the eviction times come.

Argentina inherited and occupyed the islands, you “conquered” them by expelling our population. See the difference?
141 lsolde (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 03:29 pm Report abuse
so senor Juanweather you admit that you will not go to the ICJ because you know that you would lose! now we're getting somewhere! you also want to stack the court with your friends so that you could win! you are so blatent with your corruption that you would do anything to take the Falkland lslands(which do NOT belong to you)get it through your thick skull that the lslands are NOT your property. do you want to be a ladrone, where is your pride. no wonder people here swear at you Argentineans. fix up your own country & leave the Falklands alone.
Argentina did not “inherit” the islands & your population was NOT expelled. this has been proved to you many times, but still you repeat the lies. now you are threatening us with ethnic cleansing are you? you people are the ones that need to be evicted.lets give southern Argentina to Chile, then we could live in peace with our neighbour! oj.
142 Viscount Falkland (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 03:44 pm Report abuse
The Falkland Islands have been British.....longer .....than Argentina has been a sovereign nation.
143 dab14763 (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 04:33 pm Report abuse
“Argentina inherited and occupyed the islands, you “conquered” them by expelling our population. See the difference?”

Juan,
You inherited nothing from Spain. You took your independence by force, not by a consensual handover by Spain. Anyone who believes Argentina inherited the Falklands has no idea how international law worked in the 19th century, or the first part of the 20th. And the population was not expelled. Only the military garrison was expelled.
144 WestisBest (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 04:40 pm Report abuse
@142
A good point VF, one that no Argie will reply to I suspect.

@140
“No empire! conquering times are over, Malvinas are Argentine took by pirates. Get that on your head and you will suffer less when the eviction times come.
Argentina inherited and occupyed the islands, you “conquered” them by expelling our population. See the difference?”

If we just brush over for the moment that you are incorrect and that the 'eviction' is never going to happen, How do you suggest that the aknowledgment that “Malvinas are Argentine took by pirates” is quantified? will you just ask people? also how will one “suffer less” if one does aknowledge it? will people who don't get a smack as they embark?
;-)
145 xbarilox (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 05:05 pm Report abuse
Someone who believes in aliens deactivating his uclear missiles is nuts, and cannot be trusted.
Stop insisting with the ICJ, when you see what nationalities are those people at the UN Secutiry Council, and then you see what the USA and the UK do with people who don't follow their orders, you can easily know what the result will be. The ICJ is another fraud. Would you insist on going the ICJ if the UN Security Council were integrated by Argentina, Venezuela, Bolivia, Paraguay and Ecuador? hahaha NO! And you can see the current composition of the Court:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Court_of_Justice

What if the UK, the USA, Russia, etc etc weren't there? Would you insist on going to the ICJ? hahaha, what a joke!
146 Juanweather (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 05:09 pm Report abuse
“The Falkland Islands have been British.....longer .....than Argentina has been a sovereign nation.”

They have never been (and still they aren't) british. To take possesion of it doesn't mean you own it, the people living there indeed are british, until and if they decide to acquire a different nationality. But you know very well to whom those islands belong, I said colonial times ended long time ago, it's disputed territory and colonial enclaves are no longer trendy, I think you could imagine the rest...
147 dab14763 (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 05:21 pm Report abuse
“But you know very well to whom those islands belong,”

Yes, we do. They belong to the Falkland islanders. Now whether in January 1833, under international law as it existed then, they belonged to Spain or the UK is debatable, but what is absolutely certain is that, under international law as it existed then, they most certainly did not belong to Argentina.
148 Juanweather (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 05:35 pm Report abuse
Great you've said that, because Argentina declared it's independance from Spain in 1816, and the last accepted it stating that the islands were in Argentine jurisdiction.

Tell what ever you want in any field, Argentina always have the titles to proclaim it's sovereignty over Malvinas.
149 dab14763 (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 05:44 pm Report abuse
Unilateral secession does not provide rights of inheritance. And Spain never ceded the Falklands to Argentina. When Spain recognised Argentina in 1859 and 1863, it simply was not in the position to do anything about them.
150 yaghan (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 05:52 pm Report abuse
For the vast majority of misinformed bloggers thriving here:
Emma Goldman was a Russian-born American writer, feminist, anarchist, atheist and a close associate of Alexander Berkman.
She is undoubtedly more akin to your culture than to ours, which you consistently underestimate whenever the occasion suits you.
Some of your “contributions” exemplify this splendidly:
#30, #127, #139
Viscount & Isolde I will later discuss some of your blogs.
151 xbarilox (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 06:08 pm Report abuse
@ dab14763 #149
“When Spain recognised Argentina in 1859 and 1863, it simply was not in the position to do anything about them.” Who cares if Spain “recognized”? We declared our Independence on July 9 1816, and we didn't care about Spain anymore. You can imaging, if our Independence depended on Spain, we'd still be a colony.
152 Viscount Falkland (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 06:38 pm Report abuse
And when Manuel Belgrano waved his hands and said “and all the lands and islands belong to Argentina” HE WAS CLAIMING SOMETHING THAT DID NOT BELONG TO HIM OR HIS JUNTA ! Just because you claim something does not mean you own it. It was British and is British and the Falkland islanders live there as free people.Freed from the tyranny of the Argentine military Junta that terrorised,tortured and killed its own people ....more than 30.000 of its own people. Then the junta members got a pardon! What a mad country full of people who are happy to be ruled by lunatics !
153 WestisBest (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 06:55 pm Report abuse
“Tell what ever you want in any field, Argentina always have the titles to proclaim it's sovereignty over Malvinas.”

You can proclaim what you want and no doubt you'll continue to do so but guess what, we're still here, we're still British and we're staying put, you could of course try to remove us by force but that didn't go so well last time you tried it did it?
154 dab14763 (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
xbarilox #151
“We declared our Independence on July 9 1816, and we didn't care about Spain anymore. ”

A unilateral declaration of independence does not by itself establish sovereignty over anything. Establishing effective control over territory and recognition of that control is what establishes sovereignty. And recognition wil not be over territory the seceding entity has not established effective control over. There have been many declarations of independence that did not lead to to sovereignty because the seceding entity failed to establish effective control over its territory.

Answer me this. If you think the United Provinces' declaration of independence without Spain's consent was legally enough to establish sovereignty, please explain why Argentina argued at the ICJ that Kosovo's declaration of independence was illegal without Serbia's consent.

“You can imaging, if our Independence depended on Spain, we'd still be a colony.”

But this is not about independence. It's about what territory the seceding United Provinces established sovereignty over.
155 xbarilox (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 07:40 pm Report abuse
@ dab14763 #154 “please explain why Argentina argued at the ICJ that Kosovo's declaration of independence was illegal without Serbia's consent.” Do you see any similarities between Kosovo-Serbia and Argentina-Spain?
156 Wireless (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 07:53 pm Report abuse
I do, Spanish territory decides to declare independence without Spanish consent, and Serbian territory decides to declare independence without Serbian consent, a very strong similarity.

Puzzling how Argentina denies the same choice that it made in the past to Kosovo, very puzzling.
157 dab14763 (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 08:04 pm Report abuse
“Do you see any similarities between Kosovo-Serbia and Argentina-Spain?”

Yes. Kosovo was an integral part of Serbia. The Viceroyalty was an integral part of the Spanish Empire. The legal distinction between contiguous territories and distant territories did not exist before 1945.
158 xbarilox (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 08:21 pm Report abuse
“Yes. Kosovo was an integral part of Serbia. The Viceroyalty was an integral part of the Spanish Empire.” I couldn't have said it any better :)
159 briton (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 08:24 pm Report abuse
Why argue over what argentina thinks.
the falklands are british untill they decide otherwise,
Argentina belives in fairies untill they decide otherwise
160 dab14763 (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 08:31 pm Report abuse
“Yes. Kosovo was an integral part of Serbia. The Viceroyalty was an integral part of the Spanish Empire.” I couldn't have said it any better :)

So, you agree that it is not the declaration of independence that establishes sovereignty, but the establishment of effective control.
161 Zethee (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 08:32 pm Report abuse
“Yes. Kosovo was an integral part of Serbia. The Viceroyalty was an integral part of the Spanish Empire.” I couldn't have said it any better :)

And the falklands were an integral part of the British Empire.

Cept, you aren't spanish. We are british.
162 xbarilox (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 08:44 pm Report abuse
@ dab14763 #160 “So, you agree that it is not the declaration of independence that establishes sovereignty, but the establishment of effective control.” Are you talking about Independence, effective control? What is that thing you call effective control and what is that thing you call Independence? Because you seem to be translating the meaning of those words into a language of your own creation. What the UK understands as “effective control” peoples of the free world understand it as INVASION.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_invasions_of_the_R%C3%ADo_de_la_Plata
163 dab14763 (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 09:11 pm Report abuse
Very predictably xbarilox changes the subject. Now, since you seem incapable of understanding how things work unless I spell it out for you: If Spain had had sovereignty of the Falklands and, since Argentina never established effective control over it, then when the UK took over in 1833 it would still have been Spanish territory (the fact that Spain had left the Falklands would not have made a difference because when it left it did not relnquish its claim to sovereignty), and therefore it would have been Spain's prerogative to complain, not Argentina's.

I suggest you do your own research regarding terms like secession, effective control, unilateral declaration of independence, title to territory, self-determination, etc. I did.
164 xbarilox (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 09:44 pm Report abuse
@ 163 Very predictably dab##### comments whatever. I suggest you stop trying to change the meaning of words, Independence has only one meaning, Independence. Attacking the messenger won't help you dab#####.

Here are some links I hope you read carefully:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination

www.arso.org/

Read and learn about self-determination. I won't waste my time on someone who tells me about the right to self-determination of British people, born British and living in an island with and English governor and a Queen as Head of the State, as happy as a perdiz, because if you think that those British in the islands can claim the right to self-determination, that shows you know nothing about it.
165 dab14763 (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 10:36 pm Report abuse
XB

I know what independence is. I also know the difference between independence achieved with the consent of the metropolitan state (cession) and independence achieved without the consent of the metropolitan state (secession) and how these affected title to territory in the 19th century.

I know what self-determination is. I know there are two types, internal and external. I know that external self-determination can be exercised in any of 4 ways: 1)independence, 2)free association with another state, 3)integration with another state, 4)the emergence into any other political status freely determined by the people of a territory. I know that international law makes no distinction between indigenous people and non-indigenous people when it comes to SD, several of the territories that are or were on the UN's decolonisation list do not have an indigenous population, some never had one. They were uninhabited when discovered by Europeans. I know that the right to SD did not exist in international law before 1945, so it is not applicable to Argentina's declaration of independence. All this I know without even having to look at the wiki page.

Now, I find it extremely ironic that you link a Western Sahara self determination page given that Argentina does not support Western Sahara's right to self determination.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_Western_Sahara
166 xbarilox (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 11:17 pm Report abuse
@ dab#### 165

¡Qué papa frita que sos pibe! Te hace falta un buen cuetazo a vos. Why do you think I posted that link about the western sahara? Just to show you how twisted is your understanding about self-determination. You read, but you can't understand what you read, or you understand what you want haha I repeat, you obviously didn't read the link of wikipedia about self-determination, anyway, dab#### you can talk to my hand from this moment on.
167 Redhoyt (#) Dec 01st, 2010 - 11:34 pm Report abuse
Exbrain you are arguing with someone (Dab) who not only has one but has filled it with knowledge. You've about as much chance of winning that argument as Argentina has of getting hold of the Falkland Islands.

Juanwether(or not) - stop relying on your school text books and do some research! You won't like what you find :-)

Good morning all .... Falklands war going well (for the British) I see. Dealt with the Spanish in 1771, the Argies in 1833 and 1982 ........ and again now!

Hey ho, there's no problem and all is well with the world. Wonder when the Argentines will get the balls to either take their claim to the ICJ or admit that they were wrong!!
168 xbarilox (#) Dec 02nd, 2010 - 12:13 am Report abuse
No ICJ Redhoyt, until the ICJ is integrated by Argentina, Venezuela, Ecuador, Brasil, Bolivia, Nicaragua, etc etc.if that happens, we'll go to the ICJ, if not, there will not be ICJ :)
169 Monty69 (#) Dec 02nd, 2010 - 12:34 am Report abuse
You complete plank, XBox. Is that the way justice works in your country? You only turn up at court if you've stuffed the jury with your own supporters?
You're still not making yourselves look very tempting are you.
170 Redhoyt (#) Dec 02nd, 2010 - 01:05 am Report abuse
No ICJ = No Falkland islands for Argentina

Result!
171 xbarilox (#) Dec 02nd, 2010 - 01:53 am Report abuse
@ Monty69 #169 when we're there and see our flag among the others, if necessary, will go to the ICJ, be patient Monty. Thank you.
172 Redhoyt (#) Dec 02nd, 2010 - 02:22 am Report abuse
Lucio Manuel Moreno Quintana was an Argentine judge who sat at the ICJ between 1955 and 1964

José Maria Ruda was an Argentine judge who sat at the ICJ between 1973 and 1991

Your flag, ExBrain, has already flown at the ICJ ... but still Argentina would not seek their opinion!

Cowards!
173 xbarilox (#) Dec 02nd, 2010 - 02:53 am Report abuse
Redhoyt. You seem to be forgetting about the dictators. Lonardi, Aramburu, etc etc. There were presidents like Illia, poor guy, but they don't even count as presidents. You are a noob, and you don't read history, that's obvious. This is 2010 Red, this is a democratically elected government. When things change in the ICJ, we'll be there, if necessary :)
read read our history, but in Spanish, not in English, see you papa frita.
174 Redhoyt (#) Dec 02nd, 2010 - 02:59 am Report abuse
Exbrain, as I've said elsewhere, your idiocy knows no bounds.

The ICJ is the best you can ever hope for. Shun them and you've got nowhere left to go.
175 NicoDin (#) Dec 02nd, 2010 - 03:38 am Report abuse
@ Domingo

“forced population transfer and appropriation of property is wrong. In fact, it is a grave breach of international law”

Where was the international law when Brits invaded Iraq? Afghanistan? In Diego Garcia? In Africa?

Pure Rubish

“The strong survive and the weak perish (natural selection)”. Darwin (Britain)
“Survival of the fittest”. Herbert Spencer (Britain) also often used by guy above.

Do you want something more British than that? I love it!

“it must be respected in the same way an Argentine choses to call Argentine their home and choses to live in Argentina”

That its not true none respected our choice we are strong enough to be here else the the Brits, Spanish, French, even Yanks, etc would take over it long time ego.
Welcome to the real world.

@WestisBest
“If someone steals your car you don't steal it back, you take him to court”
This its in true in an organized society where the rule of law works the world its not like that. And Brits are an example of that why UKI did not go to the ICJ when we invade the Islands? Did they? Hypocrisy perhaps?

About The ICJ: this its an American dispute so OAS would be fair way to go.
176 dab14763 (#) Dec 02nd, 2010 - 04:50 am Report abuse
@ dab#### 165

“¡Qué papa frita que sos pibe! Te hace falta un buen cuetazo a vos.”

Resorting to insults, XB. How predictable.

Why do you think I posted that link about the western sahara? Just to show you how twisted is your understanding about self-determination. You read, but you can't understand what you read, or you understand what you want haha“

It doesn't contradict anything I've said. Now, why you've posted it when your government does not support Western Sahara's right to self-determination is a question you still haven't addressed. You'll probably contort yourself trying justify that WS has SD for the purposes of this debate, but not for the purposes of Argentina's position on SD. Or ignore my question, insult me, and come up with something irrelevant in an attempt to change the subject.

”I repeat, you obviously didn't read the link of wikipedia about self-determination, anyway, dab#### you can talk to my hand from this moment on.”

Actually, I had read it some time ago. Long before you posted the link here. Now, unlike you, I don't rely on wiki as the sole source of my information. And, also unlike you, I also know the distinction between self-determination as an ideal, an aspiration, and self-determination as a recognised right in international law. Peoples have always wanted to be free, ever since one people conquered another people, so as an aspiration, self-determination has always existed. But as a recognised right in international law where the people of a territory can set themselves up as an independent state or establish some other political status for the territory with or without the consent of the metropolitan state, no. That right did not exist before 1945
177 WestisBest (#) Dec 02nd, 2010 - 09:42 am Report abuse
@Nico 175
““If someone steals your car you don't steal it back, you take him to court”
This its in true in an organized society where the rule of law works the world its not like that. And Brits are an example of that why UKI did not go to the ICJ when we invade the Islands? Did they? Hypocrisy perhaps?


The analogy doesn't quite for 1982 though Nico, a more appropriate one would be where you see a thief is interested in your car, you warn him that you'll give him a hiding if he touches it, he does anyway so you give him a hiding.

1982 was clear cut, the British government, suspecting Argentinas intentions, told you that any attack on the Falklands would be countered with force, you didn't believe them and invaded the Falklands, you got a hiding.

The difference Nico is that the events of 1982 were not like some long running, static territorial dispute even though that was the cause, your invasion of the Falklands was an act of war, so a war was what you got.
178 Wireless (#) Dec 02nd, 2010 - 11:45 am Report abuse
@172 & @ 173
xbolloc if Ruda sat as a Judge on the ICJ until 1991, and Argentina had its flawed democracy since 1983, I work out that you had 8 years in which to bring your case to the ICJ while your flag flew there.
Maybe the unilateral action of Argentina in 1982 had something to do with it?
179 yaghan (#) Dec 02nd, 2010 - 02:37 pm Report abuse
Not in the way you mean it, Wireless. Democracy was still unstable in 1983, and there were still pressure from our Armed Forces. There was a fraction of militarymen who fougth during the 1982 who rebelled against constitutional power. It is not as simple as you think.
180 Domingo (#) Dec 02nd, 2010 - 07:51 pm Report abuse
@175 Nico:

“@ Domingo

“forced population transfer & appropriation of property is wrong. In fact, it is a grave breach of international law”

Where was the international law when Brits invaded Iraq? Afghanistan? In Diego Garcia? In Africa?

Pure Rubish”

Hey, c'mon, be fair. You know and I know it's not “pure rubbish”.

We humans don't need to reference anything than our own moral judgement to conclude that:

1. forced population transfer & appropriation of property is wrong

don't you agree?

but some research can be done to prove that:

2. Forced population transfer & appropriation of property is a grave breach of international law

Check-out the 1949 fourth Geneva Convention for wartime prohibition of forced population transfer & appropriation of property, to which both AR & UK are signatories

Also check-out the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court which also similarly prohibits forced population transfer and appropriation of property in both peacetime and wartime as defined by the statute as Crimes Against Humanity.

To answer your question where was international law when the Brits invaded Iraq, their “official” justification was the non-compliance of Iraq with its disarmament obligation under UN SCR 660, 661, 678, 686, 687, 688, 707, 715, 986, 1284 & 1441

Personally I think it was a panicked reaction to 9/11 & fear of future terrorist attacks that motivated the US administration to invade Iraq

I applaud the removal of the dictatorship & provision of democratic freedom to Iraq, but weep for the enormous cost in life to innocent Iraqis so wrong. Similarly, Afghanistan was a knee-jerk reaction to 9/11 under Article 51. These aspects deserve open criticism

Today, the forced transfer & appropriation of property of either Chago Islanders or Falklands Islanders is prohibited under the Rome Statute of the ICC which came into force in 2002; before then there was no international law to protect Chagossians, who should return & be compensated
181 Redhoyt (#) Dec 03rd, 2010 - 01:47 am Report abuse
Just as well that there was no forced transfer & appropriation of property back in 1833 ....... with the exception of the trespassing military garrison obviously :-)

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