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Conflicting assessments of Argentina’s defence policy and military capabilities

Conflicting assessments of Argentina’s military capacity, defence policies and future planning were given by the brand-new Defence minister, Arturo Puricelli and a former minister from the opposition.

Half the Argentine Air Force is grounded and pilots loosing their flying certificates claims Jaunarena

On taking office Defence Minister Puricelli announced that “there will be continuity” in the politics applied by (former minister) Nilda Garré, and sustained that the government, “is not improvising defence plans”. Nevertheless he feels ‘enthusiastic’ about the task ahead.

He further affirmed that, “Our aim is to give the Argentine public peace of mind, and we will achieve this through bringing continuity in our policies”.

The defence measures being proposed are not those imagined by Garré or Puricelli, ”they are ideas brought forward by the President (Cristina Fernandez) and those of the ex-President Néstor Kirchner,“ mentioned Puricelli in an interview with a Buenos Aires radio.

The brand-new minister sustained that his administration will ”advance on from what we have been working on, with a very solid legal framework, and we will let ourselves, for the first time in 50 years, have a modern defence policy according to the needs of Argentina today“.

”The public should have the security that their Armed Forces are trained, capable, and hold a moral and spiritual philosophy; securing their interest in national defence, as stated in the Constitution“, he added.

His closing statement, aside from commenting on his ”excitement“ with his new role, was that ”there is a lot to do, all of which is important for today's criteria for public protection, coming from all types of work in defence, as requested by the government”.

Puricelli said that Argentina’s defence policy is not based on “conflict hypothesis” plans but in the modern line of thinking of strategic planning according to capacities and fields of action, “where the complex universe of international relations is assessed”.

This will lead to “a short, medium and long term plan with capacities and fields clearly defined and long term resources procurement and not rushing out on a shopping spree based on current circumstances or assumptions”.

However former Defence minister Horacio Jaunarena was not so positive about what’s going on with Argentine defence policy and military expending.

Jaunarena claimed that following the “very poor administration” of former minister Garré Argentine Armed Forces are in a “bad shape”, with “pilots grounded” since they have been unable to comply with the needed certified flying hours and the Army has sufficient ammunition for a “two hour combat”.

“The forces are in a bad shape: is we make a balance of Garré’s performance we have the Air Force with over half of its aircraft grounded, lack o spares and maintenance, and pilots loosing their flying certificates because they can’t comply with the necessary minimum monthly flying hours”.

He added that the Argentine Navy with a nominal fleet of 60 units “only has 16 operational and with sufficient ammunition to hold a two hours combat at the most”. He added that Argentina no longer has an icebreaker (Almirante Irizar) and has leased a Russian unit at a “fantasy cost.

The Army lacks sufficient logistic support, and its equipment is “well over twenty years old and needs to be replaced”.

“All this is incompetence, unreal and evidence of a committed policy to downgrade the Armed Forces. There is nothing to celebrate, on the contrary”, concluded Jaunarena.
 

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1 stick up your junta (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 07:24 pm Report abuse
Have this to be getting on with

modelingmadness.com/reviews/mod/attardpucara.htm
2 mastershakejb (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 09:07 pm Report abuse
lol @ MadMohammed ^ (aka mad UK'er, angry because his economy is tanking and middle easterners are taking over)
3 stick up your junta (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 09:15 pm Report abuse
now now master baiter dont be nasty,or we wont give you this back
www.panoramio.com/photo/570361
4 mastershakejb (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 09:17 pm Report abuse
lol @ Mad Mohammed ^
5 stick up your junta (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 09:19 pm Report abuse
or this one
www.flickr.com/photos/26502588@N02/2990389984/
6 mastershakejb (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 09:21 pm Report abuse
lol @ Mad Mohammed ^
7 stick up your junta (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
keep on laughing master bait

www.fotosearch.com/UNS040/u17456041/
8 mastershakejb (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 09:36 pm Report abuse
lol @ Mad Mohammed ^
9 stick up your junta (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 09:37 pm Report abuse
If you scroll down a bit you will see A-515

www.aeroflight.co.uk/tag/cosford
10 Zethee (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 09:50 pm Report abuse
Lmao, those planes look...crap.
11 stick up your junta (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 09:52 pm Report abuse
Maybe but they belong to us now ;-)

www.clash-of-steel.org/gallery/pages/view_entry.php?image_number=156
12 mastershakejb (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 10:06 pm Report abuse
lol @ Mad Mohammed ^
13 stick up your junta (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 10:08 pm Report abuse
Do you want your gun back or not

www.clash-of-steel.org/gallery/pages/view_entry.php?image_number=244
14 mastershakejb (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 10:08 pm Report abuse
lol @ Mad Mohammed ^
15 stick up your junta (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 10:13 pm Report abuse
what about this one
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZERQVQYgDs
16 mastershakejb (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 10:14 pm Report abuse
lol @ Mad Mohammed ^
17 stick up your junta (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 10:16 pm Report abuse
and there is more

www.paradata.org.uk/media/14496?mediaSection=Photos&thumbPage=1&mediaItem=6791&showZoomify=yes
18 mastershakejb (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 10:16 pm Report abuse
lol @ Mad Mohammed ^
19 stick up your junta (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 10:24 pm Report abuse
Islas Malvinas GC82 - A Z-28 type naval patrol craft, damaged by a Westland Lynx HAS.Mk.2/3 helicopter from HMS Alacrity on 1 May 1982 near Kidney Island. She was captured at Stanley by the British on 14 June 1982 and renamed HMS Tiger Bay.
20 mastershakejb (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 10:25 pm Report abuse
lol @ Mad Mohammed ^
21 xbarilox (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 10:27 pm Report abuse
Oh, do we have any military capacity? Cool, that's new to me! But I thought President Cristina de Kirchner said that Socialism and weapons don't go together. Lying again, President Cristina de Kirchner?

“Jaunarena claimed that following the “very poor administration” of former minister Garré Argentine Armed Forces are in a “bad shape”, with “pilots grounded” since they have been unable to comply with the needed certified flying hours and the Army has sufficient ammunition for a two hour combat.” Combat? Lying again Cristina? You said that Argentina is only a peaceful country, why do we need weapons? Is there anybody out there planning to attack Argentina? Who? England? Bolivia? The USA? China? Tanzania? Burma! How about some lithium?

“The public should have the security that their Armed Forces are trained, capable, and hold a moral and spiritual philosophy;securing their interest in national defence,as stated in the Constitution” You can imagine!

“All this is incompetence, unreal and evidence of a committed policy to downgrade the Armed Forces. There is nothing to celebrate, on the contrary” I couldn't agree with you more, there is nothing to celebrate.

How dare you say “the very poor administration” of Nilda! She's perfect! This is unacceptable, someone call Hebe de Bonafini, now! This guy is a GOLPISTA!
22 stick up your junta (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 10:28 pm Report abuse
The British captured some 11,400 Argentine prisoners during the war, all of whom were afterward released.

Save you the trouble

lol @ Mad Mohammed
23 mastershakejb (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 10:28 pm Report abuse
lol @ Mad Mohammed ^
24 stick up your junta (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 10:34 pm Report abuse
A-515 (ZD485) – Royal Air Force Museum Cosford.[9]
A-517 – Privately owned. Possibly shipped to the Channel Islands.[10]
A-522 (8768M) – North East Aircraft Museum (on loan from the Fleet Air Arm Museum, Yeovilton).[11]
A-528 (8769M) – Norfolk and Suffolk Aviation Museum (on loan from Museum of Army Flying, Middle Wallop).[12]
A-533 (ZD486) – Boscombe Down Aviation Collection (Cockpit Section only).[13]
A-549 (ZD487) – Imperial War Museum Duxford.[14]
25 mastershakejb (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 10:34 pm Report abuse
lol @ Mad Mohammed ^
26 stick up your junta (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 10:38 pm Report abuse
flickriver.com/photos/67307569@N00/3884374697/
27 mastershakejb (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 10:40 pm Report abuse
lol @ Mad Mohammed ^
These tards still livin in 1982 in their minds............MEANWHILE Brazil's GDP PPP passes UK's in 2010, as UK continues to stagnate, and South America booms. And I get DECADES more of laughing at you and your economy as it stagnates and we boom. You can beg us for financial assistance in a decades :D
28 stick up your junta (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 10:43 pm Report abuse
who is the mad one now lol
29 mastershakejb (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 10:44 pm Report abuse
The failing economy UKers are the mad ones :D . Good luck with exploiting that WATER in the Falklands, lol, spending billions just to find water in an ocean, lol.
30 stick up your junta (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 10:48 pm Report abuse
Do you want the Falklands for its water?

personal.cricyt.edu.ar/rojeda/asner_etal_ea_2003.pdf
31 mastershakejb (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 10:51 pm Report abuse
lol @ Mad Mohammed ^
32 stick up your junta (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 10:54 pm Report abuse
Used up your share of brain cells tonight master bait
33 mastershakejb (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 10:56 pm Report abuse
lol @ Mad Mohammed ^
34 stick up your junta (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 10:59 pm Report abuse
it all makes sense now,you want the Falklands for its water

www.un.org/esa/sustdev/sdissues/desertification/beijing2008/presentations/argentina_statement.pdf
35 mastershakejb (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 10:59 pm Report abuse
lol @ Mad Mohammed ^
36 xbarilox (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 11:00 pm Report abuse
There is no reason for this, unless the government is able to spend, at least, half the money that countries like the UK spend in its military only. Why bother wasting our money in something that can't even stop Bolivians from invading this country? Cristina de Kirchner is an idiot.
37 stick up your junta (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 11:01 pm Report abuse
THE COMBAT OF DESERTIFICATION IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE FOR ARGENTINA. 75 PERCENT OF OUR TERRITORY IS COMPOSED BY DRY LANDS, SUCH AS, ARID, SEMI-ARID AND DRY SUB HUMID AREAS. THIS INDICATOR TURNS EVIDENT THE POTENTIAL THREAT OF THE DESERTIFICATION PROCESS OVER THESE FRAGILE ECOSYSTEMS
38 mastershakejb (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 11:10 pm Report abuse
lol @ Mad Mohammed ^
39 Beef (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 11:14 pm Report abuse
Master plonk - as you appear to be an economic genius then perhaps you can tell us how you are going to become a wealthy individual when the investment environment in Argentina is as below!

Funny how some Argentines think they are able to offer financial advice.

Let us look at some data compering the emerging markets.

Which country of the emerging markets has the lowest five year average dividend yield

A = Argentina with 1.3% (The average for the emerging markets is 2.4% with Brazil and Peru both at 3.8%). Argentinas data is so poor that a 2011 forcast is yet to be accuratly calculated.

Let us also look at EPS (Earnings Per Share). Argentina comes in second lowest if the emerging markets with a 2011 EPS forcast of 5.8%. The average for the
emerging markets is 16.4%. Even Europe is predicted 16.4%. In South America the big winners for 2011 look like Brazil with an EPS forcast of 23.3% and Peru with 25.7%.

Conclusion. Argentina is uninvestable and if you want to make money then by all means invest in South America but keep it as far away from Argentina as possible.
40 stick up your junta (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 11:15 pm Report abuse
These tards still livin in 1982 in their minds

still used by the Argies in 2010

The FMA IA 58 Pucará (Quechua: Fortress) is an Argentine ground-attack and counter-insurgency (COIN) aircraft. It is a low-wing two-turboprop-engined all-metal monoplane with retractable landing gear, manufactured by the Fábrica Militar de Aviones
41 mastershakejb (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 11:31 pm Report abuse
lol @ Mad Mohammed ^
42 stick up your junta (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 11:34 pm Report abuse
A gift for you Master bait

www.actdu.org.au/archives/actein_site/basicskills.html

lol @ Mad Mohammed, is lesson ten
43 Zethee (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 11:42 pm Report abuse
Basic debating skills..

LOL!

stick up your junta , +1.
44 zethe (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 11:47 pm Report abuse
It's pretty classic anyway, his own government has even said that there military is...well, crap. so the only reply he can provide is a copy paste in order to try annoy you.

Im waiting for nico to jump in and tell us how his nation is defended by an amazing military and is immune to nuclear attack because they...live in concrete buildings. oh, and how he's going to anthrax the UK.
45 Zethee (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 11:48 pm Report abuse
Oh, i forgot.

lol @ Mad Mohammed ^
46 stick up your junta (#) Dec 18th, 2010 - 11:58 pm Report abuse
Forgive him Zethee,he must of mistaken Mad Mohammed for Waho Mohammed, whilst shitting himself on Mount Longdon

The parachute battle cry Waho Mohammed allegedly began with the 3rd Battalion

www.paradata.org.uk/units/3rd-battalion-parachute-regiment-3-para
47 WestisBest (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 02:22 am Report abuse
Is it a requiremnt for one to say “lol @ Mad Mohammed” to partake in this debate?
48 Graham (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 03:10 am Report abuse
Time for a honourable settlement.

Junta sticker - your stuck on the front page of a newspaper from 25 years ago. Turn the page.
49 zethe (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 04:15 am Report abuse
“Is it a requiremnt for one to say “lol @ Mad Mohammed” to partake in this debate?”

Yes, don't lower the tone!

“Time for a honourable settlement.”
honourable to who, you? Fuck off. if the people who live there want to be british, that's honourable.
50 La Muerta Negra (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 05:01 am Report abuse
For an accurate assessment of the Argentine Air Force the new Defence Minister will need to use the glass bottom boat that Gen.Galtieri's staff had to resort to for counting it's airplanes.
51 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 06:03 am Report abuse
Why do we need to spend millions in our armed forces? We are kicking their british rear end without firing a single shot, truth is enough to win this battle. On the other hand Brits spend so much money on their forces, their economy is going down the drain and not to mention that spending so much money in your armed forces will not guarantee any positive results, Irak and Afghanistan is proof of that.

About Mohammed:
“Mohammed is now the most popular name for baby boys ahead of Jack and Harry”

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324194/Mohammed-popular-baby-boys-ahead-Jack-Harry.html#ixzz18XDISKj5
52 Redhoyt (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 06:47 am Report abuse
The dispute between Britain and Spain was settled in 1833! Job done!

MoreCrap, you couldn't kick arse if it was put in front of you, and the British still punch far above their weight ... that's why we are permanent members of the Security Council, and Argentina is one of the 'might have beens' ... :-)
53 Beef (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 07:20 am Report abuse
Marcos - if kicking an arse means that you do not dare enter Falklamd Island territorial waters and that you have failed completely to halt the drilling (facilitated by Brazilian co-operation) then I see why Argentina is a basketcase.

You have such low standards and fail to even come up to these.
54 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 07:22 am Report abuse
Rotted, “ NATO Says Europe Risks Becoming ‘Paper Tiger’ on Cuts”

www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-19/nato-says-europe-risks-paper-tiger-status-amid-defense-budget-reductions.html

Rrrrrrr....kitty kitty kitty...mish mish gatito...Get used to it :-))))
55 lsolde (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 08:12 am Report abuse
@54Marcos, el gato pequeno. would you like some leche? you sound like you are used to it! mind your tail when you get your arse kicked again!
@48Graham, we have got an honourable settlement. we own the Falklands, you do not. learn to spell “you're” properly, its not “your” in the context that you wrote
56 stick up your junta (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 08:54 am Report abuse
Looks like the Argies could do with spending some dosh on their prison service too

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/7584289/Argentina-criminals-evade-capture-by-dressing-up-as-sheep.html
57 Redhoyt (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 09:56 am Report abuse
Read it again MoreCrap .... Britain meets its 2% of GDP spending target, so the article is hardly aimed at us. Plonker!

“ ... Britain and France field Europe’s most potent armies, representing 45 percent of the continent’s military budget, 55 percent of its battle-ready forces and 70 percent of its military research and technology...”

Hey, hasn't France got a bit of ground in South America too?
58 yul (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 10:13 am Report abuse
interesting ! #9 budgerigar talk about military details !

&&&&&&&&&&&&

#57 ; Rustyhoyt ! are you NATO member mate ? if true
then you can not stir away in spite of other NATO members !
59 stick up your junta (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 10:54 am Report abuse
#57 ; Rustyhoyt ! are you NATO member mate ? if true
then you can not stir away in spite of other NATO members

Yul tide, english may not be your first language,and i cant be arsed to learn spanish,but wtf are you on about
60 ed (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 10:58 am Report abuse
-- 57-- !

UK has no power to make any new --Opium Wars -- actually
at present time !
61 stick up your junta (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 11:03 am Report abuse
UK has no power to make any new --Opium Wars -- actually
at present time !

Is it me?
62 yul (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 11:08 am Report abuse
you #59 ; you very very right ,english is not my language..
you understand my making sense ! if you don't understand
please go to Brussel then they teach you the real World !..
63 Redhoyt (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 11:15 am Report abuse
No stick ... it ain't just you. I have no idea what yuk and Edbanger are on about!
64 mastershakejb (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 11:59 am Report abuse
lol @ mad mohammeds ^
65 Typhoon (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 12:33 pm Report abuse
Mao Tse Pedro
66 mastershakejb (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 12:35 pm Report abuse
lol morons, I'm from the USA, I moved to a place that's getting better for the next couple decades (Uruguay), and away from a place that's going to stagnate for decades (USA/UK/EU).
67 Think (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 12:58 pm Report abuse
:-)))
68 ed (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 02:03 pm Report abuse
#63 what a pity ..

you don't know --Opium Wars- really !?
then ,you must look at Wikipedia !!
69 Zethee (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 02:41 pm Report abuse
”lol morons, I'm from the USA, I moved to a place that's getting better for the next couple decades (Uruguay), and away from a place that's going to stagnate for decades (USA/UK/EU).”#

Hi, i live in urugay.

I moved here from the US, western europe and the UK. I used to live in all three at once.

Oh no, sorry, im lying. I j do that often.
70 mastershakejb (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 02:48 pm Report abuse
Thanks, I know, I'd love to have a place in Chile as well, if I were wealthier maybe. I figure Uruguay will be where I live, and Chile will be where I'll go for my adventurous vacations, since it seems we'll all be able to travel freely soon from country to country down here, and since Chile offers more in adventurous vacations (mountains, snow, lakes, etc).
71 Zethee (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 02:57 pm Report abuse
It was hard to sell my imaginary places in europe, i just grew so attached to them
72 Think (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 03:07 pm Report abuse
(xx) Mastershakejb

Nice to have you onbord……….
Nothing better than an USA born, North-American Anglo Rebel to annoy the Brits.
You manage to irritate all of them solely with your one-liners :-)))

Keep the good work….
It’s fun………..

en.mercopress.com/2010/09/18/uruguay-could-recognize-palestine-next-year-confirms-solid-ties-with-iran

11 mastershakejb (#)
Sep 20th, 2010 - 12:31 am

”I moved to Uruguay, from the USA, because of Vazquez, and Frente Amplio policies. I respect Mujica a great deal! Very glad to have him as a president!”
73 stick up your junta (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 03:28 pm Report abuse
You manage to irritate all of them solely with your one-liners :-)))

your EasilyAmused Think,Master bait straight from his sell out tour
and his side splitting show,who can forget great material such as

lol @ mad mohammeds

lol morons

The failing economy UKers are the mad ones :D

Yep master bait, King of the one liners
74 Zethee (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 04:57 pm Report abuse
ffs stick up your junta.

You forgot the malvinas argentinas!
75 ed (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 06:10 pm Report abuse
#63 still is reading Opium Wars at Wikipedia ?! well done ..go on..
76 Beef (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 06:25 pm Report abuse
Think - Appears you have low standards when choosing friends. BTW about 10 of my pals are called Mohammed (peace be upon them)!
77 Billy Hayes (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 06:39 pm Report abuse
Well, if northern britons accepted Mohamed as the most common name, it´s not dificult that in future the southern rural britons accept Nestor and Cristina as the most commons names in M word islands :))

Returning to the article....feel free britons, there is no challenge, keep cuting, Argentina is not a threat.
78 stick up your junta (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 06:54 pm Report abuse
#63 still is reading Opium Wars at Wikipedia ?! well done ..go on

And it would seem you are still Ingesting opium
79 Think (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 07:56 pm Report abuse
(78) Beef

Low standards?
Why?
The American gentleman's onliners are strictly based on current events and facts.

The fact that the name Muhammad seems to irritate some British sphincters in here, says more about you guys, than about him............
80 mastershakejb (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 08:05 pm Report abuse
Thanks Think, I know, I'm drivin em crazy. They're delusional and they're the ONLY ones that can't see the UK is deteriorating in nearly every respect.
GDR, are you in Chile now I take it? Moved there from the USA or what? What about you Think?
81 Think (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 08:26 pm Report abuse
(82) Mastershakejb

About me?..........

Breed and raised in South-America by proud Extra-Continental parents….

Patagonian by choice and destiny……

Stuck in Europe at the time being, sorting out some ”unfinished business”……
82 mastershakejb (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 08:39 pm Report abuse
Nice Think,
Give them brits another decade or so of stagnation and increasing debt burden, and then they can come to Argentina with their hand out, begging for loans/financial assistance, like Portugal is doing now to Brazil
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article7026269.ece ;)
83 stick up your junta (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 08:51 pm Report abuse
The great think and master bait love in,how cute :-)

They're delusional

they can come to Argentina with their hand out, begging for loans/financial assistance

I would suggest you are the deluded one, everyone knows the Argies wouldnt help anyone but themselves
84 mastershakejb (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 08:55 pm Report abuse
LOL, oh, I know Argentina won't help UK, but that Won't stop UK from begging :D
Brazil is turning down Portugal too, and they're much closer.
85 stick up your junta (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 08:58 pm Report abuse
Won't stop UK from begging :D

what like this you mean?

www.allbusiness.com/economy-economic-indicators/money-currencies-interest/7585816-1.html
86 mastershakejb (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 09:00 pm Report abuse
Yup! exactly like that stick!
Tables have been turned :) , now the ex-colonial powers get what's coming to them.
87 stick up your junta (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 09:03 pm Report abuse
Will we starve like the argies?

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2484061.stm
88 mastershakejb (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 09:04 pm Report abuse
No, you'll starve worse than the argies, since you don't even produce any food, you're screwed :D
89 recke (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 09:05 pm Report abuse
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/8082122/Navy-cuts-would-lead-to-Argentina-taking-Falklands-without-shot-fired.html
90 stick up your junta (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 09:06 pm Report abuse
will we have to live in shanty towns like villa miseria
91 mastershakejb (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 09:08 pm Report abuse
No, your banks will own all the homes, after they foreclose on you, and since they also own all the land, you can't rightly put down a shanty can you? I guess you'll have to find a bit of unused/unwanted land to set up a tent. ;) too bad your winters are so cold, lol
92 stick up your junta (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 09:11 pm Report abuse
Your winters aint that much better

laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=360445&CategoryId=14093
93 mastershakejb (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 09:12 pm Report abuse
LOL, thanks for displaying your ignorance for everyone. Yes, Uruguay's winters are MUCH better than UK's.
94 stick up your junta (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 09:16 pm Report abuse
Much better?

news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2010-07/20/c_13406249.htm
95 mastershakejb (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 09:17 pm Report abuse
Yes, mad mohammed, Uruguay's winters are much better than UK''s.
96 stick up your junta (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 09:19 pm Report abuse
did you read the article?
97 mastershakejb (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 09:20 pm Report abuse
edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/12/19/europe.winter.weather/index.html?hpt=T1 from TODAY, mad mohammed, your airports have been closed for days, lol
third world infrastructure, can't even keep airports open, lol
98 Think (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 09:21 pm Report abuse
This is like watching an American Bulldog against a British Corgi…

Very unfair :-)
99 stick up your junta (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 09:24 pm Report abuse
www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2010/12/whats_going_on_european_snowst.html

Holiday travel has been thrown into chaos in Europe after heavy snowfall canceled flights, slowed down trains and caused car crashes. Millions of air travelers were stranded in England, Germany, France, Belgium and Scandinavia, The Guardian reported.

Us and Scandinavia
100 mastershakejb (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 09:26 pm Report abuse
@ 100, indeed, lol

@ 101.........is there an echo in here? So I've made a believer out of you mohammed? or you're just my echo now?
101 stick up your junta (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 09:30 pm Report abuse
Jees your winters must of be swealtering
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-10679088
102 mastershakejb (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 09:36 pm Report abuse
Nice GDR, you've got family all over. Interesting being a senior accountant, you probly have a somewhat more intimate knowledge of Argentina's current financial standing, or at the very least, a more intimate knowledge of whatever province of Argentina and field of business your company handles.
lol, mad mohammed, everyone here who isn't mentally retarded, knows Uruguay's winters are more mild than those of UK, and if they didn't know, they could at least compare something as say, average temps for Montevideo and London
103 quetzald (#) Dec 19th, 2010 - 11:29 pm Report abuse
This note (the U.S.) is for the British also
”Now is the time to prepare. If you wait until things totally fall apart it will be far too late.
The following are 12 simple things that you can start doing right now to prepare for the coming financial apocalypse....
#1 Become Less Dependent On Your Job (READ MORE..)
endoftheamericandream.com/archives/12-simple-things-you-can-start-doing-right-now-to-prepare-for-the-coming-financial-apocalypse
104 stick up your junta (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 12:13 am Report abuse
13
learn to riot like the argies
www.ww4report.com/node/9273
105 mastershakejb (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 12:20 am Report abuse
@106 indeed, good info
@ 107 learn to jihad, like the mohammed that you are, lol
106 stick up your junta (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 12:22 am Report abuse
14
dont pay tax like the argies
www.meattradenewsdaily.co.uk/news/211009/argentina___tax_evasion_and_black_market_money.aspx
107 mastershakejb (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 01:26 am Report abuse
lol @ mad, rambling mohammed ^
108 lsolde (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 04:49 am Report abuse
@110 msj, you're mad alright. jest plumb tootin' loco
109 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 04:52 am Report abuse
55 lsolde, Girl do you still suffer from PMS? I thought that you were in your menopause years...:-)))

www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6G7MuKDo6I
110 stick up your junta (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 09:02 am Report abuse
Morning Master Baiter,hands off cock on with sock

lesson 15
Be corrupt like the argies

www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/04/cronyism-and-corruption-are-killing-economic-freedom-in-argentina
111 WestisBest (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 09:46 am Report abuse
“This is like watching an American Bulldog against a British Corgi…”

Ah, but the Americans and Brits are allies think, it's more like the British Corgi against an Argie rat.

Edit: oops! a tautology there, 'Argie rat', sorry about that.
112 lsolde (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 10:56 am Report abuse
@112Marcos. keep playing with yourself like that and you'll go blind & loco. put it down man(or is it boy?)and get on with some constructive work.
113 mastershakejb (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 12:39 pm Report abuse
lol @ mad mohammeds ^
114 Sergio Vega (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 02:00 pm Report abuse
I was very concerned for a moment when I read 69@gdr....fortunately after that he clear out to be an Argentine...uff..!!!

71@mastershakejb....please, stay there all the time you can...we don´t need you here....
115 mastershakejb (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 02:47 pm Report abuse
sergio is from where? Chile?
@ sergio, I'll do what I want, when I want, regardless of what you say, but thanks for wasting your breath and time ;)
And yea, I definitely prefer Uruguay over Chile.
116 WestisBest (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 02:51 pm Report abuse
“lol @ mad mohammeds ^”

you want to watch yourself saying stuff like that, Al Qaeda might come knocking on your door.....

You can run but you can't hide...infidel yankee!

;-)
117 mastershakejb (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 03:01 pm Report abuse
The UK branch of AL Queda, no doubt. ;)
118 fredbdc (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 03:12 pm Report abuse
Guys you are arguing with a person who escaped the real world to live as a hippie smoking pot on the beach all day and playing video games all night. I wouldn't bother responding to him it's not like he has a valuable opinion or is advancing a debate.
119 mastershakejb (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 03:15 pm Report abuse
lol, another mad mohammed ^
120 fredbdc (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 03:32 pm Report abuse
Exactly my point, plus I am from USA. I have spent a lot of time in Uruguay and I love it! It is super boring for 11 months but it's pretty, cheap and the people are really nice. I would never more there though, too removed from the rest of the world but I guess that is what you are looking for.

Be careful the authorities frown on tourists selling drugs.
121 mastershakejb (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 03:42 pm Report abuse
lol, I don't sell drugs.
It's not at all removed from the world, having 3G wireless signal EVERYWHERE, but imports are still very limited(and expensive), which could suck if you're really into consumerism. But more and more imports are becoming available, and the prices on imports is slowly going down.
122 fredbdc (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 03:57 pm Report abuse
I doubt they have 3g available much outside of MDV and PDE , an hour outside of PDE towards Brazil the towns only have electricity a few hours a day, so for sure they don't have cell service. It is extremely removed from the rest of the world, but it is good for hippies and beach bums so have fun and enjoy you will probably change your mind when you grow up. I am sure your parents are very proud of your accomplishments!
123 mastershakejb (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 04:01 pm Report abuse
LOL! Wow, shows what you know. I have personally used the 3G all over La Paloma, La Pedrera, Rocha, Tacuarembo, Castillos, and Punta del Diablo. It's just about everywhere else too. Even in Tacuarembo's Balneario Ipora.
THANKS FOR DISPLAYING YOUR IGNORANCE fred!!!!!!!! :D
And Fred, when you want to talk about living out of touch with reality and the world..........take a look @ USA's current yearly deficits, LOL!
124 HaveToCorrectThisRetard (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 04:05 pm Report abuse
Hahaha, had to make a new name, because the ignorance/retardation of fred has to be corrected, and I was the last one to comment, making me unable to add more.
Every town in Uruguay has electricity all day long, and all night long. Clearly Fred has never traveled outside of MVD or PDE.
125 WestisBest (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 04:22 pm Report abuse
Don't reckon he's smoking much pot Fred, judging from the tone of the above post(s) I reckon he's on benzedrine, taken with skittles and washed down with red bull.

Mastershake....Dude, you need to loosen up, get some of those mellow vibes man.
126 mastershakejb (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 04:23 pm Report abuse
I get to lol @ your economy for decades, while yours stagnates, and Uruguay's (and south america's) booms :D
127 fredbdc (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 04:31 pm Report abuse
Actually I was talking about Punta Del Diablo, when I was there electricity was only on 2-3 hrs a day granted it was a few years ago but they must have come a long way. Good for them.
I am sure your parents are proud, keep it up!
128 stick up your junta (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 04:34 pm Report abuse
I get to lol @ your economy for decades, while yours stagnates, and Uruguay's (and south america's) booms :D

And apart from keeping the Paco dealers in business, how does the great master bait contribute to the great south american boom?
129 xbarilox (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 04:35 pm Report abuse
After seven years governing this country,Cristina Fernández de Kirchner accepts that YES, THIS IS A COUNTRY WITH VERY HIGH LEVELS OF INSECURITY. She finally recognizes that there is insecurity, this is not just a sensation. After all the deaths. It was not Clarin after all, it was not TN. After seven years of saying that middle-class people are garbage, she now wants these people to vote for her haha. How can this woman believe that good people will take her seriously? She's so dead, everything she does is wrong, she comes too late for everything, she's always running out of time.
130 fredbdc (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 04:52 pm Report abuse
Master, you obviously don't know much about South American economic history, they have very high up years and very low down years. Just about on a 10 year cycle.
Unfortunately for you they are approaching their down years after having 9 years of up years. It is not going to be pretty when Argentina takes a deep dive after the elections this year. Isn't Brazil also implementing an austerity budget? Uruguay may be a little protected from both Brazil and Argentina's slow down but not by much.
People always seem to have a little money to spend on a high so you may be OK. It doens't take much to live there anyway. Do you put your plants away when your mom visits?
131 Think (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 05:04 pm Report abuse
TWIMC
Can not let this opportunity pass by without presenting the mellowest place in Uruguay to all young spirited Malvineros:

Cabo Polonio, Uruguay…….
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONDIpdmb_TM

Newly rescued from the wicked capitalists…….
No electricity…..
By choice…..
132 fredbdc (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 05:17 pm Report abuse
I spent New Years Eve there one year, it was great! Totally recommend Cabo Polonio. The only problem is the beach they has some really strange flying bugs that were not very pleasant.
133 mastershakejb (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 05:37 pm Report abuse
Yea true Think, I forgot to mention Cabo as the one place that doesn't have electricity.
@ 130 yea i guess you were here quite a few years ago, good job on speaking out of ignorance ;)
@131 i don't buy drugs either
@133 i know South America's history well, but there has never been such a regional integration and Mercosur has done well to keep US interference minimal (unlike 60's)
134 fredbdc (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 06:09 pm Report abuse
I don't think the regional integration is as important to their economies as you. Brazil and Argentina compete with most of their manufactured items so I don't see how being integrated will help them. They will just beat each other up on pricing then get clobbered by the Chinese.
I also don't think they are well integrated or ever will be, Mercosur has been around forever and just this year there were custom blockades of Brazil and Paraguay's goods in Argentina and they are still talking about Customs integration. It will never happen. They don't play well together. Now that Brazil is the major regional player no one cares about Argentina and they don't like it. They will try to be relevant but in the end won't succeed. Just wait a bit until the peso is $4.50 and see what that does to the Brazilians. I will give you a hint, it will cause a lot of problems and Argentina will be on the losing end.

Are you planning to renounce your USA citizenship? Or will you continue to hate/bash your native country but continue to receive benefits? Hypocrite.
135 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 06:41 pm Report abuse
123 fredbdc, “Be careful the authorities frown on tourists selling drugs.”

Frddie, How do you know that?

92 fredbdc (#)
Nov 01st, 2010 - 07:50 pm
Marcos, what is your point? Do you think there is more drug use than in Argentina? Maybe, who cares? We have more money to spend on recreational drugs so what? Lots of people do drugs here, does it mean we are unproductive? Nope. Does it mean we are not creative? Nope.
136 fredbdc (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 08:17 pm Report abuse
How do I know that? I have seen undercover “police” shake down tourists that may or may not have had drugs on them coming out of clubs in Buenos Aires. I always had my driver/ex-military waiting for me by the door so luckily I never had any problems. I just had to pay bribes to the police waiting on the exit from hwy going to Znorte so they didn't search the car every time I passed. It kept happening until I made some calls to the right people to get them to stop bothering me.
137 Think (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 08:44 pm Report abuse
And here it comes…. Again…..

Fredbdc just “mentioning” how”important” he was in Argentina…….
All his “riches”, his “connections” and his many latin-american servants……

His Argentinean “post-order” wife’s story and his traumatic mugging in Buenos Aires will surely follow…..

But first you must let him insult you a little bit more….
He luuuuuvs that :-)
138 fredbdc (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 09:19 pm Report abuse
Jealous much?

Plus you know what I write is true from your cyber stalking.

BTW if you are quoting something please make sure I actually said it somewhere, don't just put quotation marks around stuff you make up, it is going to give me a bad reputation.
139 stick up your junta (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 09:30 pm Report abuse
how”important” he was in Argentina

Not to diss fredbdc,that aint hard in Argentina
140 fredbdc (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 09:42 pm Report abuse
I went during the crash and lived like a rock star for 5 years. I wasn't important but a lot of people knew who I was because I was spending pesos like monopoly money when no one had any.
I also knew a lot of the very rich Argentinians because I was renting their homes in either BA, Bariloche or Punta depending on the season.
141 stick up your junta (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 10:08 pm Report abuse
his traumatic mugging in Buenos Aires will surely follow…..

When they aint mugging you,they squirt you with fake bird shit,then pretend to help you clean up whilst robbing you,thats if you dont get run over by the mad bastards,darwin new what he was talking about when argies get behind the wheel
142 fredbdc (#) Dec 20th, 2010 - 10:13 pm Report abuse
That was the only time I have been assaulted so yeah it was pretty traumatic.
I guess if you live in BA you get used to them and they aren't so bad after your first 5 or 10. Is that what you mean Think? Please elaborate...
143 Redhoyt (#) Dec 21st, 2010 - 03:21 am Report abuse
www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2010/12/20/Argentina-military-grapples-with-obsolete-defense-inventories/UPI-62131292883685/

:-)
144 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 21st, 2010 - 04:53 am Report abuse
143 fredbdc, “I wasn't important but a lot of people knew who I was”
You bet! anybody will recognize that big bald empty head.
145 fredbdc (#) Dec 21st, 2010 - 12:26 pm Report abuse
Marcos: Where are you living now that they cleared IndoAmerica Park? Did your tribe take over another empty lot somewhere?
Did you move to an area of BA that has running water? Or are you protesting that today?
www.cronica.com.ar/diario/2010/12/21/48382-otro-corte-en-el-camino-negro-por-pedido-de-agua.html
146 WestisBest (#) Dec 21st, 2010 - 03:07 pm Report abuse
lol @ mad Marcos ^
147 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 21st, 2010 - 05:00 pm Report abuse
Freddie, Not even close dude, and where do you live ? This tent city perhaps?

Tent city highlights US homes crisis news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7297093.stm
148 fredbdc (#) Dec 21st, 2010 - 05:03 pm Report abuse
Let's see you come from a crappy village in South Buenos Aires Province with only 1 paved road. I live in the capital of the richest country in the world 5 blocks from the White House in NWDC. I wonder who has a nicer place. Loser.
149 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 21st, 2010 - 05:32 pm Report abuse
There are some nice places to live in Argentina and in the US as well, you couldn't find any worst area to lived (DC: Disaster Center) . No wonder you go to Argentina so often.
You can easily get mugged in Washington DC. Do not go to hotels on 14th or 15th Streets as they are by all the hookers and drug dealers, well you
shouldn't have a problem there.
150 fredbdc (#) Dec 21st, 2010 - 06:37 pm Report abuse
There are nice places to live in Argentina as long as you don't have to associate with Argentinians.
I have lived in the best of both DC and BA and luckily I can choose where I want to live and chose DC.
I moved from BA because after awhile I couldn't stand the daily street protests, dangerous noisy smelly traffic, child beggars in the streets and restaurants, homeless gypsies screaming and crying for una pesito, lazy corrupt policemen smoking or talking on their cell phones on every corner, graffiti, and garbage piled in the street, UGH I can go on and on.

You just don't realize how gross it is because you come from some terrible tiny town in the middle of no where farm country and don't know any better. BA is nice to visit but after awhile it is a very sad place to live. I go back often to visit family otherwise I would never go back. There is a reason we have so many illegal Argentinians living here even during a bad recession.
151 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 21st, 2010 - 07:54 pm Report abuse
:-))
152 NicoDin (#) Dec 21st, 2010 - 08:30 pm Report abuse
@ fredbdc

Oh yes of course so you went to W DC a place full of poor and beggars and drug addicts where you can get kill for 5 greenbacks. 106.500 are under the line of poverty in WDC and growing in a city of 601.000 inhabitants.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbbpzye-w3I
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaNIt3vAcGk

You are comparing a city like Washington (like our one in the country side) with a population of 601,723 and a metropolitan area of 5.4 millions against Buenos Aires City with a population of 3 millions and a metropolitan area of 15 millions.

You are not any good on making choices and comparing places I guess Fedex.

Come on Fedex you are from the countryside are you? Those people that move to a large city and want green, trees, birds, and to have a pig in their apartments.

Return to Chiguagua mate there is your place.
153 fredbdc (#) Dec 21st, 2010 - 09:20 pm Report abuse
There is no comparing Washington DC with Buenos Aires that is very true and yet this is where I rather live. I guess I don't know what I am doing. I wonder what would make me choose to live here when I can live just about anywhere in the world, travel anywhere in the world, while you poor little sudacas are stuck in a disgusting filthy dirty dangerous city with no escape. Hoping and saving snd scraping together a few hundred pesos to get to swim the filthy brown waters of Mar Del Plata for a little summer respite. Gross.
154 RICO (#) Dec 21st, 2010 - 09:21 pm Report abuse
LOL at all the Argentine posters claiming Britian is in economic meltdown. UK economy has declinedalot in the past 3 years BUT it has just been involved in the rescue of the Irish & Greek economy.

Ireland and Greece desperately needed UK help. If they were not rescued they would have defaulted on their debt which would have left them in the same position as.......Argentina.
155 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 21st, 2010 - 11:06 pm Report abuse
156 NicoDin, Good videos! Shows the reality of W DC(disaster center), however the broke realtor Fedex wears his panties on his face in order to ignore it.
156 Zethee (#) Dec 21st, 2010 - 11:55 pm Report abuse
”You are comparing a city like Washington (like our one in the country side) with a population of 601,723 and a metropolitan area of 5.4 millions against Buenos Aires City with a population of 3 millions and a metropolitan area of 15 millions.”

And yet, washington still makes more money than Buenos Aires.
157 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 21st, 2010 - 11:59 pm Report abuse
Wrong.
158 Zethee (#) Dec 22nd, 2010 - 12:06 am Report abuse
Washington - $97.2 billion
BA - $84.7 billion

And BA has three times the population.
159 fredbdc (#) Dec 22nd, 2010 - 01:10 am Report abuse
Don't worry Marcos I still make more than enough money to go to BA this year and hire people like you to clean the pool, does you mother want to clean the house or cook and can your father drive my car or is he better doing the lawn? I had a very good experience hiring whole families last time I lived there. I may even bring them the leftovers so they can try real restaurant food.
160 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 22nd, 2010 - 05:45 am Report abuse
Fedex, I have a pool and I clean it up myself, be a man and clean yours. People in Argentina feel very sorry about lonely useless people like you and not everything is measured in how much money you may have, to our standarts you are a very poor man.
161 stick up your junta (#) Dec 22nd, 2010 - 09:06 am Report abuse
Fedex, I have a pool and I clean it up myself

well i suggest you water your crops lol

en.mercopress.com/2010/12/22/oil-world-reduces-argentine-soybean-crop-estimates-because-of-lack-of-rain
162 Pheel (#) Dec 22nd, 2010 - 12:17 pm Report abuse
In the long and immature process of mutual off-topic insulting, let´s introduce some evidence about which idea USA and UK have about Human Rights for those that are not submissive to their goals.
Say, the true face of Human Rights by Bushies and Thatcherites in todays´ w-leaks:
www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/21/wikileaks-cables-british-police-bangladesh-death-squad
As in Iran before Khomeini, as in LA and in any other country where they had influenced during last 50 years. (the communists and islamists have been worse, but it´s supposed not to be an excuse)

“Before you accuse me, take a look on yourself” (the Great Eric Clapton)
163 fredbdc (#) Dec 22nd, 2010 - 02:16 pm Report abuse
Pheel: what a bunch of liberal claptrap, it's not even worth responding to such nonsense.
I wish we had more programs like we did in prior to the idiot Carter. If we did we wouldn't be having all the problems we do now with “unaligned nations”. There has been a sea of change in the USA, a lot of changes are coming in the next few years we just need to get Carter II out of office next. Then watch out....
164 stick up your junta (#) Dec 22nd, 2010 - 04:36 pm Report abuse
@ Pheel

I take it you argies were self taught

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6216431.stm
165 Pheel (#) Dec 22nd, 2010 - 04:56 pm Report abuse
167 freddo
never expected less from you, despicable thug.
Everybody enjoys your face of surprise when you are answered in your own terms.
As the liberal amorite Hammurabi once stated.
166 fredbdc (#) Dec 22nd, 2010 - 05:25 pm Report abuse
Come down from your Ivory Tower you pompous fool.

Just because your country has neither the wherewithal or balls to have any sort of International Foreign Policy it's not like your hands are clean.
Almost every one of your “presidents” has used violent mobs to come to office or stay in office. Including the Botox Queen, but she is too stupid and they usually get away from her and cause embarrassment or a political crisis.
167 NicoDin (#) Dec 22nd, 2010 - 07:24 pm Report abuse
Ha ha Fredex now give advise on foreigner policies amazing.
168 Zethee (#) Dec 23rd, 2010 - 01:18 am Report abuse
I cant believe they released this story. It might have upset argentin..Argentin..Who?

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