Conflicting assessments of Argentina’s defence policy and military capabilities
Conflicting assessments of Argentina’s military capacity, defence policies and future planning were given by the brand-new Defence minister, Arturo Puricelli and a former minister from the opposition.
On taking office Defence Minister Puricelli announced that “there will be continuity” in the politics applied by (former minister) Nilda Garré, and sustained that the government, “is not improvising defence plans”. Nevertheless he feels ‘enthusiastic’ about the task ahead.
He further affirmed that, “Our aim is to give the Argentine public peace of mind, and we will achieve this through bringing continuity in our policies”.
The defence measures being proposed are not those imagined by Garré or Puricelli, ”they are ideas brought forward by the President (Cristina Fernandez) and those of the ex-President Néstor Kirchner,“ mentioned Puricelli in an interview with a Buenos Aires radio.
The brand-new minister sustained that his administration will ”advance on from what we have been working on, with a very solid legal framework, and we will let ourselves, for the first time in 50 years, have a modern defence policy according to the needs of Argentina today“.
”The public should have the security that their Armed Forces are trained, capable, and hold a moral and spiritual philosophy; securing their interest in national defence, as stated in the Constitution“, he added.
His closing statement, aside from commenting on his ”excitement“ with his new role, was that ”there is a lot to do, all of which is important for today's criteria for public protection, coming from all types of work in defence, as requested by the government”.
Puricelli said that Argentina’s defence policy is not based on “conflict hypothesis” plans but in the modern line of thinking of strategic planning according to capacities and fields of action, “where the complex universe of international relations is assessed”.
This will lead to “a short, medium and long term plan with capacities and fields clearly defined and long term resources procurement and not rushing out on a shopping spree based on current circumstances or assumptions”.
However former Defence minister Horacio Jaunarena was not so positive about what’s going on with Argentine defence policy and military expending.
Jaunarena claimed that following the “very poor administration” of former minister Garré Argentine Armed Forces are in a “bad shape”, with “pilots grounded” since they have been unable to comply with the needed certified flying hours and the Army has sufficient ammunition for a “two hour combat”.
“The forces are in a bad shape: is we make a balance of Garré’s performance we have the Air Force with over half of its aircraft grounded, lack o spares and maintenance, and pilots loosing their flying certificates because they can’t comply with the necessary minimum monthly flying hours”.
He added that the Argentine Navy with a nominal fleet of 60 units “only has 16 operational and with sufficient ammunition to hold a two hours combat at the most”. He added that Argentina no longer has an icebreaker (Almirante Irizar) and has leased a Russian unit at a “fantasy cost.
The Army lacks sufficient logistic support, and its equipment is “well over twenty years old and needs to be replaced”.
“All this is incompetence, unreal and evidence of a committed policy to downgrade the Armed Forces. There is nothing to celebrate, on the contrary”, concluded Jaunarena.
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“Jaunarena claimed that following the “very poor administration” of former minister Garré Argentine Armed Forces are in a “bad shape”, with “pilots grounded” since they have been unable to comply with the needed certified flying hours and the Army has sufficient ammunition for a two hour combat.” Combat? Lying again Cristina? You said that Argentina is only a peaceful country, why do we need weapons? Is there anybody out there planning to attack Argentina? Who? England? Bolivia? The USA? China? Tanzania? Burma! How about some lithium?
“The public should have the security that their Armed Forces are trained, capable, and hold a moral and spiritual philosophy;securing their interest in national defence,as stated in the Constitution” You can imagine!
“All this is incompetence, unreal and evidence of a committed policy to downgrade the Armed Forces. There is nothing to celebrate, on the contrary” I couldn't agree with you more, there is nothing to celebrate.
How dare you say “the very poor administration” of Nilda! She's perfect! This is unacceptable, someone call Hebe de Bonafini, now! This guy is a GOLPISTA!
Save you the trouble
lol @ Mad Mohammed
A-517 – Privately owned. Possibly shipped to the Channel Islands.[10]
A-522 (8768M) – North East Aircraft Museum (on loan from the Fleet Air Arm Museum, Yeovilton).[11]
A-528 (8769M) – Norfolk and Suffolk Aviation Museum (on loan from Museum of Army Flying, Middle Wallop).[12]
A-533 (ZD486) – Boscombe Down Aviation Collection (Cockpit Section only).[13]
A-549 (ZD487) – Imperial War Museum Duxford.[14]
These tards still livin in 1982 in their minds............MEANWHILE Brazil's GDP PPP passes UK's in 2010, as UK continues to stagnate, and South America booms. And I get DECADES more of laughing at you and your economy as it stagnates and we boom. You can beg us for financial assistance in a decades :D
personal.cricyt.edu.ar/rojeda/asner_etal_ea_2003.pdf
www.un.org/esa/sustdev/sdissues/desertification/beijing2008/presentations/argentina_statement.pdf
Funny how some Argentines think they are able to offer financial advice.
Let us look at some data compering the emerging markets.
Which country of the emerging markets has the lowest five year average dividend yield
A = Argentina with 1.3% (The average for the emerging markets is 2.4% with Brazil and Peru both at 3.8%). Argentinas data is so poor that a 2011 forcast is yet to be accuratly calculated.
Let us also look at EPS (Earnings Per Share). Argentina comes in second lowest if the emerging markets with a 2011 EPS forcast of 5.8%. The average for the
emerging markets is 16.4%. Even Europe is predicted 16.4%. In South America the big winners for 2011 look like Brazil with an EPS forcast of 23.3% and Peru with 25.7%.
Conclusion. Argentina is uninvestable and if you want to make money then by all means invest in South America but keep it as far away from Argentina as possible.
still used by the Argies in 2010
The FMA IA 58 Pucará (Quechua: Fortress) is an Argentine ground-attack and counter-insurgency (COIN) aircraft. It is a low-wing two-turboprop-engined all-metal monoplane with retractable landing gear, manufactured by the Fábrica Militar de Aviones
www.actdu.org.au/archives/actein_site/basicskills.html
lol @ Mad Mohammed, is lesson ten
LOL!
stick up your junta , +1.
Im waiting for nico to jump in and tell us how his nation is defended by an amazing military and is immune to nuclear attack because they...live in concrete buildings. oh, and how he's going to anthrax the UK.
lol @ Mad Mohammed ^
The parachute battle cry Waho Mohammed allegedly began with the 3rd Battalion
www.paradata.org.uk/units/3rd-battalion-parachute-regiment-3-para
Junta sticker - your stuck on the front page of a newspaper from 25 years ago. Turn the page.
Yes, don't lower the tone!
“Time for a honourable settlement.”
honourable to who, you? Fuck off. if the people who live there want to be british, that's honourable.
About Mohammed:
“Mohammed is now the most popular name for baby boys ahead of Jack and Harry”
Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324194/Mohammed-popular-baby-boys-ahead-Jack-Harry.html#ixzz18XDISKj5
MoreCrap, you couldn't kick arse if it was put in front of you, and the British still punch far above their weight ... that's why we are permanent members of the Security Council, and Argentina is one of the 'might have beens' ... :-)
You have such low standards and fail to even come up to these.
www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-19/nato-says-europe-risks-paper-tiger-status-amid-defense-budget-reductions.html
Rrrrrrr....kitty kitty kitty...mish mish gatito...Get used to it :-))))
@48Graham, we have got an honourable settlement. we own the Falklands, you do not. learn to spell “you're” properly, its not “your” in the context that you wrote
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/7584289/Argentina-criminals-evade-capture-by-dressing-up-as-sheep.html
“ ... Britain and France field Europe’s most potent armies, representing 45 percent of the continent’s military budget, 55 percent of its battle-ready forces and 70 percent of its military research and technology...”
Hey, hasn't France got a bit of ground in South America too?
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#57 ; Rustyhoyt ! are you NATO member mate ? if true
then you can not stir away in spite of other NATO members !
then you can not stir away in spite of other NATO members
Yul tide, english may not be your first language,and i cant be arsed to learn spanish,but wtf are you on about
UK has no power to make any new --Opium Wars -- actually
at present time !
at present time !
Is it me?
you understand my making sense ! if you don't understand
please go to Brussel then they teach you the real World !..
you don't know --Opium Wars- really !?
then ,you must look at Wikipedia !!
Chile is good as well as Uruguay too !
Hi, i live in urugay.
I moved here from the US, western europe and the UK. I used to live in all three at once.
Oh no, sorry, im lying. I j do that often.
Nice to have you onbord……….
Nothing better than an USA born, North-American Anglo Rebel to annoy the Brits.
You manage to irritate all of them solely with your one-liners :-)))
Keep the good work….
It’s fun………..
en.mercopress.com/2010/09/18/uruguay-could-recognize-palestine-next-year-confirms-solid-ties-with-iran
11 mastershakejb (#)
Sep 20th, 2010 - 12:31 am
”I moved to Uruguay, from the USA, because of Vazquez, and Frente Amplio policies. I respect Mujica a great deal! Very glad to have him as a president!”
your EasilyAmused Think,Master bait straight from his sell out tour
and his side splitting show,who can forget great material such as
lol @ mad mohammeds
lol morons
The failing economy UKers are the mad ones :D
Yep master bait, King of the one liners
You forgot the malvinas argentinas!
US - has 940 millions Credit Cards ,
US - has trillions - $s- Mortgage Debts ,
US - has average 50-60K Household Incomes...misery ,
US - has California bankrupt ..few others coming..
Returning to the article....feel free britons, there is no challenge, keep cuting, Argentina is not a threat.
And it would seem you are still Ingesting opium
Low standards?
Why?
The American gentleman's onliners are strictly based on current events and facts.
The fact that the name Muhammad seems to irritate some British sphincters in here, says more about you guys, than about him............
GDR, are you in Chile now I take it? Moved there from the USA or what? What about you Think?
About me?..........
Breed and raised in South-America by proud Extra-Continental parents….
Patagonian by choice and destiny……
Stuck in Europe at the time being, sorting out some ”unfinished business”……
Give them brits another decade or so of stagnation and increasing debt burden, and then they can come to Argentina with their hand out, begging for loans/financial assistance, like Portugal is doing now to Brazil
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article7026269.ece ;)
They're delusional
they can come to Argentina with their hand out, begging for loans/financial assistance
I would suggest you are the deluded one, everyone knows the Argies wouldnt help anyone but themselves
Brazil is turning down Portugal too, and they're much closer.
what like this you mean?
www.allbusiness.com/economy-economic-indicators/money-currencies-interest/7585816-1.html
Tables have been turned :) , now the ex-colonial powers get what's coming to them.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2484061.stm
laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=360445&CategoryId=14093
news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2010-07/20/c_13406249.htm
third world infrastructure, can't even keep airports open, lol
Very unfair :-)
Holiday travel has been thrown into chaos in Europe after heavy snowfall canceled flights, slowed down trains and caused car crashes. Millions of air travelers were stranded in England, Germany, France, Belgium and Scandinavia, The Guardian reported.
Us and Scandinavia
@ 101.........is there an echo in here? So I've made a believer out of you mohammed? or you're just my echo now?
my origin is from Italy and
have genetically and indirectly
Hungarian+German+Spanish+Turk bloods..
one of my uncles lives in Santiago/Chile..
in US - Texas ,I have few friends ..
We have a lot of relatives in Brasilia +Spain.
Regards.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-10679088
lol, mad mohammed, everyone here who isn't mentally retarded, knows Uruguay's winters are more mild than those of UK, and if they didn't know, they could at least compare something as say, average temps for Montevideo and London
”Now is the time to prepare. If you wait until things totally fall apart it will be far too late.
The following are 12 simple things that you can start doing right now to prepare for the coming financial apocalypse....
#1 Become Less Dependent On Your Job (READ MORE..)
endoftheamericandream.com/archives/12-simple-things-you-can-start-doing-right-now-to-prepare-for-the-coming-financial-apocalypse
learn to riot like the argies
www.ww4report.com/node/9273
@ 107 learn to jihad, like the mohammed that you are, lol
dont pay tax like the argies
www.meattradenewsdaily.co.uk/news/211009/argentina___tax_evasion_and_black_market_money.aspx
www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6G7MuKDo6I
lesson 15
Be corrupt like the argies
www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/04/cronyism-and-corruption-are-killing-economic-freedom-in-argentina
Ah, but the Americans and Brits are allies think, it's more like the British Corgi against an Argie rat.
Edit: oops! a tautology there, 'Argie rat', sorry about that.
71@mastershakejb....please, stay there all the time you can...we don´t need you here....
@ sergio, I'll do what I want, when I want, regardless of what you say, but thanks for wasting your breath and time ;)
And yea, I definitely prefer Uruguay over Chile.
you want to watch yourself saying stuff like that, Al Qaeda might come knocking on your door.....
You can run but you can't hide...infidel yankee!
;-)
Be careful the authorities frown on tourists selling drugs.
It's not at all removed from the world, having 3G wireless signal EVERYWHERE, but imports are still very limited(and expensive), which could suck if you're really into consumerism. But more and more imports are becoming available, and the prices on imports is slowly going down.
THANKS FOR DISPLAYING YOUR IGNORANCE fred!!!!!!!! :D
And Fred, when you want to talk about living out of touch with reality and the world..........take a look @ USA's current yearly deficits, LOL!
Every town in Uruguay has electricity all day long, and all night long. Clearly Fred has never traveled outside of MVD or PDE.
Mastershake....Dude, you need to loosen up, get some of those mellow vibes man.
I am sure your parents are proud, keep it up!
And apart from keeping the Paco dealers in business, how does the great master bait contribute to the great south american boom?
Unfortunately for you they are approaching their down years after having 9 years of up years. It is not going to be pretty when Argentina takes a deep dive after the elections this year. Isn't Brazil also implementing an austerity budget? Uruguay may be a little protected from both Brazil and Argentina's slow down but not by much.
People always seem to have a little money to spend on a high so you may be OK. It doens't take much to live there anyway. Do you put your plants away when your mom visits?
Can not let this opportunity pass by without presenting the mellowest place in Uruguay to all young spirited Malvineros:
Cabo Polonio, Uruguay…….
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONDIpdmb_TM
Newly rescued from the wicked capitalists…….
No electricity…..
By choice…..
@ 130 yea i guess you were here quite a few years ago, good job on speaking out of ignorance ;)
@131 i don't buy drugs either
@133 i know South America's history well, but there has never been such a regional integration and Mercosur has done well to keep US interference minimal (unlike 60's)
I also don't think they are well integrated or ever will be, Mercosur has been around forever and just this year there were custom blockades of Brazil and Paraguay's goods in Argentina and they are still talking about Customs integration. It will never happen. They don't play well together. Now that Brazil is the major regional player no one cares about Argentina and they don't like it. They will try to be relevant but in the end won't succeed. Just wait a bit until the peso is $4.50 and see what that does to the Brazilians. I will give you a hint, it will cause a lot of problems and Argentina will be on the losing end.
Are you planning to renounce your USA citizenship? Or will you continue to hate/bash your native country but continue to receive benefits? Hypocrite.
Frddie, How do you know that?
92 fredbdc (#)
Nov 01st, 2010 - 07:50 pm
Marcos, what is your point? Do you think there is more drug use than in Argentina? Maybe, who cares? We have more money to spend on recreational drugs so what? Lots of people do drugs here, does it mean we are unproductive? Nope. Does it mean we are not creative? Nope.
Fredbdc just “mentioning” how”important” he was in Argentina…….
All his “riches”, his “connections” and his many latin-american servants……
His Argentinean “post-order” wife’s story and his traumatic mugging in Buenos Aires will surely follow…..
But first you must let him insult you a little bit more….
He luuuuuvs that :-)
Plus you know what I write is true from your cyber stalking.
BTW if you are quoting something please make sure I actually said it somewhere, don't just put quotation marks around stuff you make up, it is going to give me a bad reputation.
Not to diss fredbdc,that aint hard in Argentina
I also knew a lot of the very rich Argentinians because I was renting their homes in either BA, Bariloche or Punta depending on the season.
When they aint mugging you,they squirt you with fake bird shit,then pretend to help you clean up whilst robbing you,thats if you dont get run over by the mad bastards,darwin new what he was talking about when argies get behind the wheel
I guess if you live in BA you get used to them and they aren't so bad after your first 5 or 10. Is that what you mean Think? Please elaborate...
:-)
You bet! anybody will recognize that big bald empty head.
Did you move to an area of BA that has running water? Or are you protesting that today?
www.cronica.com.ar/diario/2010/12/21/48382-otro-corte-en-el-camino-negro-por-pedido-de-agua.html
Tent city highlights US homes crisis news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7297093.stm
You can easily get mugged in Washington DC. Do not go to hotels on 14th or 15th Streets as they are by all the hookers and drug dealers, well you
shouldn't have a problem there.
I have lived in the best of both DC and BA and luckily I can choose where I want to live and chose DC.
I moved from BA because after awhile I couldn't stand the daily street protests, dangerous noisy smelly traffic, child beggars in the streets and restaurants, homeless gypsies screaming and crying for una pesito, lazy corrupt policemen smoking or talking on their cell phones on every corner, graffiti, and garbage piled in the street, UGH I can go on and on.
You just don't realize how gross it is because you come from some terrible tiny town in the middle of no where farm country and don't know any better. BA is nice to visit but after awhile it is a very sad place to live. I go back often to visit family otherwise I would never go back. There is a reason we have so many illegal Argentinians living here even during a bad recession.
average -US- Household Budget ( 2 persons +1 child) :
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average net Monthly Income : 5.780 $
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[average Monthly Expenses ]:
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Mortgage Payment : 2.098 $
Real Estate Tax : 401 $
Gas : 75 $
Electric : 125 $
Phone : 40 $
Cable : 65 $
Inernet : 40 $
Cell Phone : 50 $
House Insurance : 75 $
Disability Insurance : 60 $..Health Insurance : 250$..Med Exp : 60 $
Groceries : 550 $....Clothes : 150 $....Gifts : 125 $
Car Payments : 525 $...Auto-Gas :...300 $
Household Items : 225 $...House Repair : 250 $
Work-Lunch : 125 $.....Entertaintment : 500 $....Haircut : 60 $
Pet Expenses : 50$...Vacations : 250 $...Dry Cleaning : 50 $
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average Monthly Total Expenses : 6.820 $
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Net Loss : 1.020 $ ...........
Oh yes of course so you went to W DC a place full of poor and beggars and drug addicts where you can get kill for 5 greenbacks. 106.500 are under the line of poverty in WDC and growing in a city of 601.000 inhabitants.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbbpzye-w3I
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaNIt3vAcGk
You are comparing a city like Washington (like our one in the country side) with a population of 601,723 and a metropolitan area of 5.4 millions against Buenos Aires City with a population of 3 millions and a metropolitan area of 15 millions.
You are not any good on making choices and comparing places I guess Fedex.
Come on Fedex you are from the countryside are you? Those people that move to a large city and want green, trees, birds, and to have a pig in their apartments.
Return to Chiguagua mate there is your place.
Ireland and Greece desperately needed UK help. If they were not rescued they would have defaulted on their debt which would have left them in the same position as.......Argentina.
And yet, washington still makes more money than Buenos Aires.
BA - $84.7 billion
And BA has three times the population.
well i suggest you water your crops lol
en.mercopress.com/2010/12/22/oil-world-reduces-argentine-soybean-crop-estimates-because-of-lack-of-rain
Say, the true face of Human Rights by Bushies and Thatcherites in todays´ w-leaks:
www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/21/wikileaks-cables-british-police-bangladesh-death-squad
As in Iran before Khomeini, as in LA and in any other country where they had influenced during last 50 years. (the communists and islamists have been worse, but it´s supposed not to be an excuse)
“Before you accuse me, take a look on yourself” (the Great Eric Clapton)
I wish we had more programs like we did in prior to the idiot Carter. If we did we wouldn't be having all the problems we do now with “unaligned nations”. There has been a sea of change in the USA, a lot of changes are coming in the next few years we just need to get Carter II out of office next. Then watch out....
I take it you argies were self taught
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6216431.stm
never expected less from you, despicable thug.
Everybody enjoys your face of surprise when you are answered in your own terms.
As the liberal amorite Hammurabi once stated.
Just because your country has neither the wherewithal or balls to have any sort of International Foreign Policy it's not like your hands are clean.
Almost every one of your “presidents” has used violent mobs to come to office or stay in office. Including the Botox Queen, but she is too stupid and they usually get away from her and cause embarrassment or a political crisis.
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