Wednesday, January 19th 2011 - 20:48 UTC

Letters of Sympathy to Flood Victims

The Falkland Islands Government has sent letters to the leaders of Australia and Brazil following the devastating floods the two countries have undergone recently.

Floods in Australia will reportedly cost the country 30 billion Australian dollars to repair and Prime Minister Julia Gillard has hinted that a new government tax will be created to rebuild the areas affected. All Australians will have to pay the charge.

Meanwhile in Brazil the flash flooding and mudslides is one of the country’s worst natural disasters with the death toll now at over 700 people and fears of an epidemic are increasing.

The Falkland Islands Government has sent letters to Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff expressing the Islanders “deepest sympathy” with the people, following the recent tragedies.

 

 

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1 Martin_Fierro (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 03:40 am Report abuse
Nice pirate flag

Dilma Rousseff just denied you entry to port and you're sending letters, I don't think sending letters from an illegal colony is a very sensible thing to do. I doubt the letter ever got to her.
2 Wireless (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 04:07 am Report abuse
Grow up Marty.

You think your pathetic argument is so important all the time, and it isn't, some people have suffered tragedies due to flooding, and anyone would reasonably understand that it is more important to send their condolences than maintain petty squabbles with immature people like yourself.

You really are beneath contempt.
3 Beef (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 04:32 am Report abuse
Martin - you are a sick individual. Take a good look at yourself!
4 Martin_Fierro (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 04:53 am Report abuse
I couldn't begin to calculate how many people have suffered at the hands of the British throughout your wretched history, I wouldn't bring up suffering and tragedy if I were you... pirate.

And now the tables have turned... but you're still at it with your false English cavalry, a premeditated attempt to gain some kind of sympathy from Brazil. They want nothing to do with you and I don't blame them, keep your letters, your fake flag, your warships... all that garbage away from South America.

Don't worry pirate, we're there for each other, we don't need you.
5 Redhoyt (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 05:01 am Report abuse
Missing the point again Mart, read it again!

It says that the FIG sent letters .... the FIG .... that's the point.

Taking a leaf out of Argentina's book, if you tell enough people then maybe they'll remember something. Now maybe these countries, along with Chile who had letters after the earthquake, will remember that the FI have a G ....

Then all the UK has to do is hand over the foreign and diplomatic responsibilities to the FIG whilst keeping defence and the FIG start turning up at more and more places representing themselves ....

Good experience for eventual independence :-)
6 Kiwisarg (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 05:48 am Report abuse
It's completely outrageous to see this kind of crap, A bloody colony was unjustified in the XXI century and in conflict with Republic of Argentina. Where the pirates have no access to any port in South America, and at any time Chile will have to join the bloke not to admit any vessel pirates. These actions are not justifiable disrespectful not influence the sovereigns over the Malvinas Islands.
7 Martin_Fierro (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 05:49 am Report abuse
There is no such thing as “the FIG”, there is only the UK. Remember that next time you see a British ship turned away from Brazil, though I suspect you won't be trying that again to avoid embarrassment .

Only the UK, with everything that's going on, would be stupid enough to think that Brazil can't see through your schemes. Exploiting a tragedy for political reasons is something Dilma Rousseff won't forget.

Divide Et Impera, England's true royal seal , try that next time instead of “FIG” then maybe it'll seem sincere and official. ;-)
8 Think (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 06:30 am Report abuse
C'mon boys.............

Nice human gesture with all those “Malvinas” lettters.

But let's concentrate on the really important things here in life!

CAN I GET THE STAMPS? ... MAY I GET THE STAMPS?... MAY I? ... THE STAMPS ...........PLEEEEASE :-)
9 Beef (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 06:46 am Report abuse
You lot are unbelievable. This is a story about one group of people sending condolences to another group of people who have experienced a natural disaster that has led to the deaths of many people. This is not through the act of man and is beyond politics.

Is nothing sacred to you Argentines.

To change direction, Kiwi and Martin, you know where the Islands are. If you want them, come and get them.
10 Martin_Fierro (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 07:05 am Report abuse
I've got a great stamp for you Think, a golden oldie... look at that royal crown, cute as a Tony Blair bear www.colonialstamps.com/auction/images/571.jpg

“colonialstamps.com” ;-)

Beef, really moving... brought a tear to my eye
11 Beef (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 07:25 am Report abuse
“Don't cry for me Martin”. I feel sorry for you though. Another paranoid Argie in the country of head cases which is lead by a loonie!
12 Think (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 07:56 am Report abuse
( 9) and (11) Beef

You say:
”This is not through the act of man and is beyond politics.”

I say:
Are you trying to be funny or just using a “golden opportunity” to insult?

The very reason for the existence of those letters is political…..
The only reason for mentioning them here is political…
They are nothing more than political documents…
Neither money nor practical help attached…

The only one in Brazil or Australia getting anything positive from those letters will be some undersecretary’s little kid getting a couple of funny stamps for his/her treasury box.
13 Beef (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 08:22 am Report abuse
I suppose we should do away with birthday cards, Christmas cards, messages of sympathy and all of those things that are expressions of humanity then. In terms of money and practical help, perhaps the only thing a small island community can offer to SA largest nation is thoughts and prayers. Do not they have some spiritual value (if not material).

If every action in Argie eyes has another motive then this must be a sign or a symptom of the paranoia endemic in Argentine society.

Anyway, more important and profitable things to be getting on with!
14 Think (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 08:40 am Report abuse
((13) Beef

Excuse our “paranoia” lad....

Excuse us if we interpreted this article as just another opportunity to “wave the flag”

Excuse me for noticing the strikingly adecuate picture adorning the heading of this article.
15 lsolde (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 09:10 am Report abuse
very childish replies M Think. l thought that you were smarter than the other Argentine ldiots that answered Beef, Redhoyt & Wireless.
16 Martin_Fierro (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 09:18 am Report abuse
I remember the 2010 Chile earthquake (the only country in South America still allowing you access to port though lord knows why). Argentina was the first to respond, most countries in the world sent millions of dollars in help, including Argentina. Both the US and Argentina sent several C-130 cargo planes loaded with food and medicine. The Brazilian Air Force sent an aircraft transporting the Brazilian Navy field hospital .

The UK? Nothing, it was the British Red Cross that donated £50,000 for which I truly admire, given that they had their hands full already. Other UK-based aid organizations offered help, but not the government.

Oh but wait! They did send a nice letter from their colony of pirates with “FALKLAND ISLANDS GOVERNMENT” written all over it, I'm sure that helped.

Funny, I don't see your pirate flag on the list of humanitarian response to the Chile earthquake.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitarian_response_to_the_2010_Chile_earthquake

Really... don't worry about South America, we've got it.
17 Be serious (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 09:33 am Report abuse
Why on earth is Argentina so upset? The people of the Falkland Islands are merely expressing their deepest sympathy to Brazil and to their kith and kin in Australia for the terrible recent disasters that have afflicted both Countries.
Is Argentina that insecure or simply inadequate?
18 Forgetit87 (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 09:45 am Report abuse
“You lot are unbelievable. This is a story about one group of people sending condolences to another group of people who have experienced a natural disaster that has led to the deaths of many people. This is not through the act of man and is beyond politics.”

I'm hearing violins in the background!
19 Martin_Fierro (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 09:48 am Report abuse
I've been hearing the soundtrack to Titanic, weird
20 saphira (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 09:52 am Report abuse
@Martin 'Islanders raise £21,000 for Chilean Earthquake Fund
Friday, June 4th, 2010
Together with a donation of £5,000 from the Falkland Islands Government, residents have raised over £26,000 to help towards the rebuilding of 800 homes in the Chilean town of Lolol in the province of Calchagua. Catastrophic damage to the area was caused when an 8.8 magnitude quake hit on the 27th February this year.'as for all the comments coming from the mainland you are all beneath contempt.
21 Martin_Fierro (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 09:57 am Report abuse
Waving that INSULT you call “flag” and using catastrophes for political gain is what's beneath contempt. Don't try to talk down to me Brit, you're not in a position.
22 saphira (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 09:59 am Report abuse
Using a story about the loss of human life to write insulting posts is beneath contempt
23 Think (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 10:05 am Report abuse
15) Cher Isolde

Don’t be such a prude………………

My comments are about this particular article, immodestly informing the world about a sympathy letter to Brazil whilst graphically waving your flag in front of their dead…………………

A perfect example of morbid, cynical bad taste.
24 WestisBest (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 10:09 am Report abuse
@21 eh?
“using catastrophes for political gain is what's beneath contempt”
you RG's are the ones putting a political spin on this story, do you believe there's an ulterior motive behind everything? paranoid or what.

“Don't try to talk down to me Brit”
Oooh, listen to the big man, how tough are you eh?
25 Forgetit87 (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 10:14 am Report abuse
I see nothing insulting in Martin's remarks. Such manifestations of condolence - whether by the FIG or by any other government on earth -can always be interpreted as an exercise in PR. What I find curious in all this, is Mercopress's role in informing readers every time the FIG decides to do something like this, to write something to somewhere in the world, no matter how unremarkable this is. It's almost like Mercopress is a mouthpiece to the FIG, almost like PressTV is to the Iranian gov and ChinaDaily is to the Chinese Communists.
26 Think (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 10:26 am Report abuse
(25) Forgetit87

Well…….
We already know that…. Don’t we?

What I find of extremely bad taste is their choice of a picture of their flag, flying at full mast, to “illustrate” this article……………
27 Martin_Fierro (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 10:28 am Report abuse
Well, most governments on earth share the distinction of being official, most… not “the FIG”. That's what makes the letter to Brazil NOTHING but an exercise in PR.

As far as Mercopress, we all know what will happen if we question their motives for posting these type of articles. Don't we? ;-)
28 Beef (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 10:37 am Report abuse
Jesus Christ (now I am guilty of Blasphemy) this is getting so far out of context (again) it is untrue.

Think - Mercopress put a picture in this story, so what? It is a picture of a flag, and saying that the flag is being waved at Brazil's victims is getting a bit far fetched. The focus of the story is that a group of people are demonstrating their sympathy with another group. The fact that you bunch of nutters are responding to the picture of a flag shows how separated you are from reality. I suppose you think the Isladers are actually reveling in the death of countless civilians (that us the way it is coming accross).

If you don't like Mercopress then go somewhere else. I suggest you spend more time with your clinical psychologists if you think that a letter of condolence to Brazil and Australia is in any way offensive or insulting.

Martin - we will talk down to you if we want to. It is called freedom of expression, if you don't like it then so what. Right back to this chapter and a cup if tea!
29 arquero (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 11:04 am Report abuse
a letter for Beef too ;

dear Beef..

you know who is Rashid Ganushi..pro-Islamist..a Tunisian cult leader....
you know he has been living in London fo many years...why ?
would he go back to his native country ?

Thanks.

Sincerely yours.
30 Think (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 11:10 am Report abuse
(28) Beef

The only thing that is “far fetched” here is the choice of that particular picture.

Odd you can’t see it…

You are usually pretty good at spotting and commenting about any Argentinean use of propaganda, encoding, indoctrination, brainwashing, subliminal messages and even the occasional Royal Mail crap-inn…………..
31 Martin_Fierro (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 11:12 am Report abuse
arquero, what the hell?

Back on the subject... How did Mercopress know about this 'letter from the FIG' to Dilma Rousseff?

Anyone?
32 yul (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 11:24 am Report abuse
arquero..... if Beef can't or can reply your letter ,I would
join this discussion !

Martin_Fiero...you know that our discussions have not been
limited by these fordable articles...
33 Think (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 11:27 am Report abuse
(31) Martin Fierrrrro

Uhhhhh...............

That's a difficult one!

Could you please repeat the question?
34 arquero (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 11:36 am Report abuse
32# yul # we have to wait the Beef's undistractive reply !!!

31#MartinFiero # 31# ....anyone ?
you must ask to Mercopress ,of course first you'll must find out
their adress .. wont you !!
35 Be serious (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 11:42 am Report abuse
An article on letters of sympathy to the Brazilian and Australian disaster victims, used and abused by Argentine nationalists to shout their ridiculous claims and lurid opinions. How sad. What a terrible shame. Never mind.
Its a beautiful flag , don't you think so ? Whatever.... it still flies proud and high over that Island paradise, known as the Falkland islands.
36 Redhoyt (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 12:01 pm Report abuse
:-) The biter's bit :-)

So tell me Think, when the Brazilian and Australian Administrations cpme to file the letters as all efficient administrations do ..... what will be the name on the file ???

:-)
37 WestisBest (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 12:02 pm Report abuse
“Back on the subject... How did Mercopress know about this 'letter from the FIG' to Dilma Rousseff? ”

Well it's just possible that they got it from a press release from Penguin News, not very exciting eh?
38 Forgetit87 (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 12:05 pm Report abuse
Red, in Brazil the FI are known as the “Malvinas.”
39 Sir Rodderick Bodkin (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 12:30 pm Report abuse
Falkland Islands belong to Brazil.
Return it to them!!!
40 Redhoyt (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 12:46 pm Report abuse
ForgeTIT - so are you saying the letter will be filed under MG ?
41 Forgetit87 (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 12:55 pm Report abuse
I believe so, red ho. If the Br gov received a letter from the US, it would file it under “Estados Unidos”, not “United States.”
42 Redhoyt (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 01:01 pm Report abuse
So it's filed under 'Malvinas Government' then ...... I like your reasoning :-)

I can live with that!!
43 Zethee (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 01:23 pm Report abuse
Somoene linked a post a few months ago about Argentinians being really paranoid...This thread is very amusing. Bordering insanity some of these nuts.

Governments all over the world send letters to other governments when things like this happen offering there sympathy, it's not an unusual custom. Not everything has to be a conspiracy.
44 Think (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 01:30 pm Report abuse
(37) WestisBest

You say:
Well it's just possible that they got it from a press release from Penguin News, not very exciting eh?

I say:
Nope, not very exciting......
As a matter of fact, so little exciting that Penguin News has not writtren a word about this story...
At least........I can't find it.
Would you please direct me to where it is or eventually cut and paste the article?

Thanks in advance
El Think
45 Beef (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 02:07 pm Report abuse
Arquero - no idea why a Tunisian living in the UK would decide to go home. Perhaps the winters here have finally got to him. It is of no real interest to me.

Can you direct me to how your letter is related to this story or the lunacy it has initiated from a Psychiatirc ward of a major Argentine hospital?
46 Islander1 (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 02:40 pm Report abuse
Marin- what a chump- UK was swift to offer assistance to Chile in 2010. Not much practical assistance we could offer really from here if you have half a brian to think with! So we gave financial assistance - more usefull in our case - that assistance was the equivalent population was of Arg Govt and people donating US$400 million - did you?
Access to ports in S America? Please list the ports that have announced they are closed to private and commercial(not naval) vessels operating to and from the Islands? I think you will find that other UNASUR Countries gave verbal support to Argentina but clarified it by staying within international law.Vessels even come here regularily from Argentine ports!
47 Be serious (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 02:40 pm Report abuse
Me thinks your subscription has run out and you're trying to get the absolutely riveting, award winning Penguin News on the cheap.
48 Martin_Fierro (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 02:59 pm Report abuse
Me thinks “Islander1” is someone called Dean Hunt, the most self-deluded Kelper on the planet... I would recognize his lies and sheer madness anywhere.

33 Think,

Nevermind, haha

It doesn't matter, Brazil probably threw the stupid letter in the trash, if there ever was a letter which now... I doubt it.
49 Typhoon (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 03:05 pm Report abuse
Isn't Argentine claptrap wonderful? Total assholes, all of them.

Here's some thoughts for you c**ksuckers. In 2010, Haiti suffered a major earthquake. I've just been reading about it. Did you know that aid, including relief and search and rescue workers, arrived from such places as the Dominican Republic, the United States, Britain, Canada, Israel, Chile and Sri Lanka.

Other South American countries, notably Argentina and Brazil, apparently did nothing. Strange that, isn't it?
50 Monty69 (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 03:09 pm Report abuse
48 Martin_Fierro

This is all utterly contemptible. When the Chilean earthquake happened, Falkland Islanders raised a massive amount of money. It came from children' pocket money, raffles, dances......all because of the sympathy we felt for our Chilean friends and neighbours.
You can turn it into something squalid and mean if you like; all it does is show us, once again, why we don't want anything to do with you.
I only hope that Argentina is populated in the main by decent and sane individuals who bear little resemblance to the nut jobs we get on here.
51 Forgetit87 (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 03:22 pm Report abuse
@49

“Other South American countries, notably Argentina and Brazil, apparently did nothing”

Apparently, aside from being hateful and not very bright, Typhoon's also a liar.

Brazil was the first country to deliver financial aid to aid following last year's earthquake: www.terradaily.com/reports/World_Bank-managed_Haiti_aid_fund_only_20_percent_full_999.html

”A 500-million dollar pledge of aid for Haiti quake relief promised three months ago is only 20 percent full, the World Bank said Wednesday.

(...)

“Cox said that so far Brazil had donated 55 million dollars, Norway 31 million, Australia 8.6 million, Colombia 3.2 million and Estonia 50,000 dollars.”

As of July 2010, Brazil was the country that most contributed financially to the aid fund. Where's US, UK, and Israel, you pubescent wanker?
52 Forgetit86 (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 03:30 pm Report abuse
Brazil again sending aid to the country during the first weeks of the calamity: news.xinhuanet.com/english/2010-01/15/content_12814427.htm

And this is Unasur aiding Haiti by shipping medicines:
en.mercopress.com/2010/10/26/unasur-begins-shipping-medicines-and-aid-to-fight-outbreak-of-cholera-in-haiti

Again, what were you saying, Typhoon?
53 Be serious (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 04:00 pm Report abuse
Well that's nice isn't it, we are all helping each other now. Don't think it will be too long before Argentina drops it silly claims to the Falklands and we can all be friends again.
54 Zethee (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 04:03 pm Report abuse
“As of July 2010, Brazil was the country that most contributed financially to the aid fund. Where's US, UK and Israel, you pubescent wanker?”

Actually, the US then Canada spent the most on hati but yes i agree brazil did a lot to help out with hati, it's very commendable.

As far as i know the US sent 17 ships and like 10,000 men to help out along with spending over a billion.

The UK sent a navy supply ship several planes with aid about 40 million in aid, search and rescue personnel doctors firefighters search dogs and heavy equipment.

EU sent 600 million.
55 Martin_Fierro (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 04:07 pm Report abuse
Actions speak louder than words
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitarian_response_to_the_2010_Chile_earthquake

I love what Russia did, they sent two planes from the ass-end of the world with humanitarian aid.
www.news.com.au/breaking-news/aid-influx-begins-in-chile/story-e6frfku0-1225836326062

UK-based aid organizations did help, a lot, but the government itself? Too busy drilling for oil, sorry!

Again, I don't see your fake “FIG” flag on the list, and your efforts to separate the UK from the “FIG” are futile, you are one and the same.
56 M_of_FI (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 04:08 pm Report abuse
Having read some of the angry comments from some Argentines on this story has made me feel sorry for them. Sucn anger in their sentences, so much energy and hostility, against something that has absolutely no direct consequences over their lives, but it is so important to them they are willing to crush those people whose lives would be deeply effected. I feel so sorry for them, they have been lied to so many times it has become part of their 'truth'. But I am sure I will be talked down to and lectured by the Argentines on here about my lack of knowledge on this subject, even though I live in the place in question and was born here. But people from an angry and bitter country, who have never been to the Falklands, obviously know better! It is actually a shame all of you have been conned and lied to like this.
57 Forgetit86 (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 04:16 pm Report abuse
“Actually, the US then Canada spent the most on hati”

Provide sources. Every nation on earth pledged some aid to Haiti the first weeks after the earthquake. But the link I showed asserted that few had actually delivered. Six months after the earthquake, the US and Canada had not even begun to send the cash. And be that as it may, that's not even my point. The point is that Typhoon - who on other threads tend to spout “Aryan Nation”-like racist discourse when referring to Latin American countries and peoples - told a lie about South American aid to Haiti in order to glorify American, British and Israeli assistence - which is apparently fictional assistence - to that nation.
58 Martin_Fierro (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 04:17 pm Report abuse
More vane words... now they feel sorry for us, how absurd.

I think we should hand the “Divide Et Impera” royal seal to Mercopress though, they're doing a better job than the UK ever did.
59 Forgetit86 (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 04:29 pm Report abuse
Zethe, I found the following on this subject:

”Donors promised $5.3 billion at an aid conference in March, about two months after the earthquake -- but less than 2 percent of that money has been handed over so far to the United Nations-backed body set up to handle it.

Only four countries have paid anything at all: Brazil, Norway, Estonia and Australia.

The United States pledged $1.15 billion. It has paid nothing (...).”

www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/07/14/haiti.donations/index.html

Well, promising aid is surely good PR. But you know, delivering it actually costs money.
60 Zethee (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 04:35 pm Report abuse
“Again, I don't see your fake “FIG” flag on the list, and your efforts to separate the UK from the “FIG” are futile, you are one and the same.”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitarian_response_by_national_governments_to_the_2010_Haiti_earthquake

It's on this list.

“the US and Canada had not even begun to send the cash.”
What your link says it that not all the money promised to the world bank was recieved. Less than a third of all the money that went to hati went through the world bank.

The US gave aid through it's military personel and ships it had in the area. same as canada and the EU.

www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/jan/14/haiti-quake-aid-pledges-country-donations
61 Forgetit86 (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 04:46 pm Report abuse
@Zethee: Read the CNN link I sent above. You said the US had paid 1 billion in aid, but it did not. It only pledged to do so, like tens of other countries in the world. According to CNN: “Only four countries have paid anything at all: Brazil, Norway, Estonia and Australia. The United States pledged $1.15 billion. It has paid nothing.” At least up to July 2010, the US and Canada didn't help financially. And please, aid in the form of “military personel” and “ships” is surely not what you meant when you said the US had already paid 1 billion dollars in aid.
62 Beef (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 05:33 pm Report abuse
Message to Mercopress. Can you please close discussion on this story. The posts have become so far removed from the story that the topic of discussion is become politically charged and (in my opinion) offensive to those affected by the disastrous flooding in Australia and Brazil.

Freedom of expression and valuable dialogue are important to analyze and critique current affairs but all sense of the responsibility that goes with free debate has been lost in this particular case.
63 Islander1 (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 05:43 pm Report abuse
Martin- Dean Hunt! - nobody here by that name that I am aware of - its not even a surname I am aware of in the past - other than a Governor here 1980-195 approx- Rex Hunt!
Still waiting for that list of ports?
64 Think (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 05:49 pm Report abuse
About (62)

Message to MercoPress.......
Maybe you could just lower that flag to half-mast?
To show a little respect.............
65 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 06:06 pm
Comment removed by the editor.
66 Zethee (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 06:17 pm Report abuse
61 Forgetit86:

It's the same story you linked earlier about the World Bank.

The world bank wasn't the only way that hati relief and aid was given. Most nations have sent supplies and/or personnel instead of money, and/or they pledged or sent money outside of United Nations channels.

For example. US aid is distributed through the military and through the U.S. Agency for International Development. The world bank money was as the story says, tied up in legistation. This does not mean that they were not there helping give the country aid. Direct military aid was set at $379 million and the world bank money has now been delivered even if rather late.

In all honesty i think the US Canada and Brazil sould be congratulated with the efforts they did during the hati situation.
67 Be serious (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 06:27 pm Report abuse
64
Absolutely not, the flag must continue to fly high over our magnificent Falkland Islands. Naturally our sympathy to the victims of the terrible disasters in Brazil and Australia remains.
65
GSY.
68 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 06:44 pm Report abuse
Here is the answer from Brazil:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPoVuY2cIs
69 Monty69 (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 06:46 pm Report abuse
58 Martin_Fierro

I feel sorry for you. You're a liar and a disgrace, but it's you that look ridiculous and 'futile'. We know what we are and what we do and what you say or believe doesn't actually matter at all.

65 Marcos Alejandro
'These fake letters and that flying colonial sheep above backfire in their faces'
What's this all about Marcos? What's a fake letter? You aren't making any sense. I do know however that there are plenty of people who recognise a genuine gesture whenthey see it. We have had a very good relationship with most of South America over the years and that doesn't just disappear because you wish it.
70 Forgetit86 (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 06:48 pm Report abuse
Zeth, you always like to drag the discussion infinitely in order to avoid admitting that you said anything wrong. CNN said the US pledged 1 billion dollars in aid for Haiti: the same value that you had adduced before. Thus, I can only deduce that the source where you read about the US pledge was also referring to the World Bank fund. It's either that, or the US actually pledged to pay 1 billion dollars in Workd Bank aid to Haiti, having already payed in another billion in a separate fund - something I cannot believe unless someone offers me sources for this, that is, that the US actually comitted to paying 2 billion dollars for Haiti. Also, I don't believe CNN would be so harsh on the US for having paid 1 billion in aid - and at the same time that it singles out for praise four other nations that each paid less than 100 million - only because the money was not directed to a WB fund. CNN said the US “paid nothing.” Had it given some money through other vessels other than the WB, it wouldn't have said the US “paid nothing.” I said this knowing how much Americans enjoy believing everybody depends on their assistence, and that the US media is very willing to feed that impression.
71 JustinKuntz (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 06:51 pm Report abuse
Really do not believe the comments here. Guys let them make prats of themselves, don't dignify this with an answer.
72 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 06:52 pm Report abuse
69 Monty69
Sorry but Brazil din not buy it, nice try .
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A03_p8c-Lk&feature=related
73 Think (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 06:57 pm Report abuse
69monty69

You say:
“We have had a very good relationship with most of South America over the years and that doesn't just disappear because you wish it.”

I say:
Try, for a minute, to “think out of the box”.....
Why is that relationship dissapearing then?
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I said:
“Think out of the box”........... OUT of that freaking box.........., girl.....
74 Beef (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 06:58 pm Report abuse
Think - so you are blaiming the FIG for Mercopress using a library picture? and you claim you are not paranoid!

Marcos - Thrill of your life. That is what Argentines thought in 1982? Against the military junta at one point and then the next minute you loved them. When you were embrassed you hated them again.

By the way this debate has gone then embarrasment is an Argentine hobby.
75 WestisBest (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 07:02 pm Report abuse
@ Martin

“Me thinks “Islander1” is someone called Dean Hunt, the most self-deluded Kelper on the planet... I would recognize his lies and sheer madness anywhere.”

If you mean Dean K Hunt: (www.facebook.com/pages/Buggar-off-Argentina-the-Falklands-are-BRITISH/326045354441#!/profile.php?id=100001284350613) then you're incorrect, he's no Falkland Islander, I'd hazard he's ex-military.
76 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 07:02 pm Report abuse
Hey Beef, Wasn't you crying to MercoPress to close the discussion on this story to avoid more British embarrassment?
How did it go?
77 Beef (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 07:09 pm Report abuse
I made my point as a guesture of decency something you clearly know nothing about.
78 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 07:10 pm Report abuse
hahaha
79 Jedi389 (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 07:15 pm Report abuse
What do you say to an Argentine with a blody nose, nothing because you have already told hime once - as was done in 1982... Just leave off and let us be...
80 Beef (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 07:19 pm Report abuse
Perfectly carm gdr. Enjoying a german yogurt actually :-)

Just funny to see the constuctive contributions of the resident dunce Marcos.
81 arquero (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 07:23 pm Report abuse
#Beef....don't get angry,did i take your comment (45) offensive !!??
aside from everything,you are our worthy friend !
82 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 07:24 pm Report abuse
Here is a British comment from a few days ago about how they really feel about this tragedy.
1 Hamster (#)
Jan 16th, 2011 - 07:47 am
“ If only HMS Clyde was allowed to dock in Rio, there would of been extra people to help in the rescue effort. Shame really, lives are being wasted due to Argentina yet again”

en.mercopress.com/2011/01/14/brazil-flood-deaths-rise-to-500
83 Beef (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 07:33 pm Report abuse
Yes Marco as you can see us Brits would have liked to actually help hands on. If HMS Clyde had been docked in Brazil then they could have helped.

Do we need to spell it out to you or is that extra chromosome you have further stunting your intellectual capacity?
84 Zethee (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
”70 Forgetit86:

Perhaps you should research a little more than the two identical storys you've found. I'm not sure how i can explain it in more simple terms than i already did.

The US pledged over a billion in aid money to the World bank's Interim Haiti Recovery Commission. The money was tied up in legistation because of some reason or other that was already ongoing when this whole thing started. This money did get there even though it was late:
www.cirh.ht/sites/ihrc/en/pledges/Pages/default.aspx

They also sent the US navy and 16,000 troops to help directly, these ships would continue to give aid to hati - this was first set at $100 million but quickly grew to $379 million:
www.kens5.com/home/Less-than-1-penny-going-to-Haiitian-government-82823762.html
85 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 07:50 pm Report abuse
Beef, relax mate
”Other shareholders can join by contacting desiredisaster@ btinternet.com.“

Thursday, 20 January 2011
A group of furious investors are demanding at least £350,000 in compensation over a botched announcement in December.
Shares soared by as much as 50 per cent on December 2 when Desire claimed it had made an “oil discovery” at its Rachel well.
Just four days later Desire said further tests showed the hydrocarbons were in fact water.”
86 Be serious (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 07:54 pm Report abuse
It was written somewhere abouts
Think out the box....out of the freaking box.... girl.

I say
Get back in your box.... boy.
87 Forgetit86 (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 08:15 pm Report abuse
@Zeth: I'm sorry, how does the first link support your point? If the values shown under “New Funds” mean the amount of aid already paid by governments who pledged support for Haiti, then the country that has aided Haiti the most wasn't the US, and it wasn't Canada, either: it was VENEZUELA. Why did you say it was the US?

Your link shows something that has perplexed me quite a bit. That wanker countryman of yours, Typhoon, swore that Britain had afforded much help to Haiti. But in fact, according to your link, the UK is THE ONLY major European economy not to have contributed a penny in aid. The only one. Talk about being an asshole. Argentina, on the other hand, contributed with 17 million dollars.

“They also sent the US navy and 16,000 troops to help directly”
I wasn't talking about troops. But since we are here, do you know why the US is no longer the head of the UN peacekeeping mission in Haiti? Because of suspicions as to the US role in the overthrow of the democratically elected Haitian president Jean-Bertrand Aristide in 2004. Before the coup, the US headed the Minustah.

But you're right, the US sent many troops there after the earthquake. So many, in fact, that an editorial on ChinaDaily asked whether the US was planning the annexate Haiti as its 51st state. But it's all about aid, of course.

“these ships would continue to give aid to hati - this was first set at $100 million but quickly grew to $379 million”

Many other countries sent aid in the first weeks after the disaster, as links I showed above assert. Such aid came as food, medicine, and medical equipment. Most haven't published numbers as for how much it costs in dollars. The US did, though. It makes good propaganda, after all. Unless of course a Third World country like Venezuela can afford to help more.
88 Beef (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 08:51 pm Report abuse
Marcos - Why raise another issue? I support anyone who wants to take action against Phipps. I cannot as I have not made any loss on DES. Greed can be the downfall of many.

But why do you raise an issue unrelated to this story. Has your brain cell ran out of ideas?
89 Think (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 09:09 pm Report abuse
Best post EVER from a British investor on Interactive Investor’s Desire Petroleum Blog :-))))))

www.iii.co.uk/investment/detail/?display=discussion&code=cotn%3ADES.L&thread=7650371&it=le&action=list
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20/01/2011 - 20:51 -
Ancelotti

If it does end up with the curtains falling on the North Falkland Basin, then there may be another war.

................We'll be fighting to give the Island back to the Argies.

However, I think that the Argies will fight tooth and nail to ensure that we keep them.
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90 Zethee (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 09:29 pm Report abuse
88 Forgetit86:

Are you being serious or are you honestly the dumbest person on this website? I'm not really sure if you're taking the piss or not.

Having to explain simple things to you that is freely available on the internet and then you still getting it completely wrong, Is honestly making me loose the will to keep breathing.

I need a drink.
91 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 09:41 pm Report abuse
90Think, that British investor Ancelotti was probably Beef, didn't he say that his father family came from Italy?:-))))))
Good job Beef!
92 Beef (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 09:58 pm Report abuse
Macros - think knows my iii identity due to a period when he decided on some Internet stalking when I was in Saudi Arabia.

In the North Sea, ten companies went to the wall in the early days. It could happen to DES and that is life but what the other iii poster forgets is the RKH find.

There will be no new war in the Falkland Islands as Argentina does not have the stomach for military confrontation.
93 Think (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 10:38 pm Report abuse
(93) Beef
You should read the postings more thoughtfully….

At post No.90; Mr. Ancelotti speculates about the North Falklands Basin “collapsing” if and when Rockhopper doesn’t find Oil in their next two holes.

Then he jokes about forcing Argentina to take those worthless Islands back; by military force if necessary :-)))

That won’t be necessary……..
We will always be glad to reincorporate those bleak but uninviting Islands to our Motherland.

But please, before leaving, do remember to remove all your settlers……………..
94 Forgetit87 (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 10:39 pm Report abuse
Explain what, Zethe? The only thing you should explain is why you said the US and Canada were the countries that had contributed the most in aid for Haiti when in fact Venezuela donated more than the two of them... combined. You should also explain how occupying the island with a whopping and completely unnecessary amount of soldiers amounts to aid, to something Haiti should be grateful to the US in spite of the unholy reputation US troops have forged for themselves in that country.
95 Beef (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 11:09 pm Report abuse
Think - try not to get to excited like you did in the run up to the flow test. RKH have had ages to study the data from the drill and review the seismic in light of the drill and those from 1998!

The current drill is outside of the discovery area and may not be a find but the second drill is an appraisal with a much higher cos!

While these are exciting prospect I am waiting for the South and East Basins to get drilled. Things will get very interesting from then.

They have remained a BOT before any oil and will do if no HC industry emerges. As you will probably agree, the fallout of 1982 invasion and subsequent British victory has had a huge impact on the cultural identities of Britons, Argentineans and Falkland Islanders and as such the Islands became integral to the British Identity during the neo-liberal turn (a largely unidirectional move after the collapse of European communism).

As such there is no conceivable way in which the rights of self-determination of the Islanders could be betrayed by a UK government.
96 Think (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 11:36 pm Report abuse
(96) Beef

You say:
“As you will probably agree, the fallout of 1982 invasion and subsequent British victory has had a huge impact on the cultural identities of Britons..... and as such the Islands became integral to the British Identity
.....As such there is no conceivable way in which the rights of self-determination of the Islanders could be betrayed by a UK government.”

I say:
I couldn’t disagree more.... ………….
Given the right socioeconomic conditions in the UK, the right uselessness of the Malvinas and the right indispensability of the South-American market; it would be a “piece of cake” for any British government to be pragmatic.
97 Zethee (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 11:47 pm Report abuse
“The only thing you should explain is why you said the US and Canada were the countries that had contributed the most in aid for Haiti”

Perhaps the only thing you should explain is why you said Brazil, Norway, Australia, Colombia and Estonia were the only four nations in the world to send aid to hati

Personally, i never mentioned Venezuela because i had not found any links about the level of there involvment in the hati earthquake untill i read cirh. Very commendable of them. The press has not given Venezuela enough credit for the role it's done, it is hardly mentioned in any storys.
98 briton (#) Jan 20th, 2011 - 11:56 pm Report abuse
It does not matter what others do ? but what you do that counts,
As long as Britain sent some aid, then that’s ok, after all I don’t think they care were it comes from, as long as it keeps coming, the world for some reason is becoming very unstable, tornadoes floods typhoons
Earthquakes’ tsunamis’ snow blizzards what the hell next ??
99 Martin_Fierro (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 12:55 am Report abuse
75 WestisBest,
Your link takes me to a stupid Facebook group…

63 Islander1,
haha now I know for sure you're Dean Hunt, and you're no ex-military… you're an obsessed little puppet-face, a clown.
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Again, and again.. and again. This article is about the UK using a catastrophe for political gain. Nothing else, no matter how hard to you try to convolute the issue, it is the UK that is beneath contempt.

Nothing you can say will change that.
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64 Think
Amen to that.
100 Zethee (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 01:10 am Report abuse
Then i suppose any other nation in the world who send's letters of sympathy is also doing it for political gains?
101 Monty69 (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 01:16 am Report abuse
100 Martin_Fierro
'.....it is the UK that is beneath contempt. Nothing you can say will change that. '
Glad to see that you haven't got anything aginst Falkland Islanders. This article is about us and how friendly and sympathetic we are, after all.

That aside, can I ask what you are doing here? If nothing anyone can say can change anything for you, there are plenty of other places you can go to talk to others who think just as you do.

You've really cheered me up today. I saw a message from Dick Sawle asking people what they thought MLAs should be doing in response to developments in our foreign affairs. I think I have a fair idea now of what really annoys imbeciles like you! I'll be passing on the message loud and clear.
102 Martin_Fierro (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 01:23 am Report abuse
No, most nations in the world share the distinction of being official and legally established.

The UK should have sent the letter as the UK, not as the fake “FIG”. You can argue all you like until this article reaches 200 comments but it'll circle back to the truth, it's inevitable.
103 Monty69 (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 01:28 am Report abuse
Yaaaawn..... when people like you start piously talking about the 'truth', like there is such a thing, I feel like cocoa and sleep.......
104 Zethee (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 01:41 am Report abuse
“The UK should have sent the letter as the UK”

Our PM personally called the Austrailian PM to give him our condolences, he also personally sent a letter to the Brazilian president.

“No, most nations in the world share the distinction of being official and legally established. ”#
So your argument is now that people can't be sympathetic if there government is not a internationally recognized government.

Great logic there.
105 Martin_Fierro (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 02:10 am Report abuse
No, there is no argument Zethee,

This article is about the UK using a catastrophe for political gain, the UK and the “FIG” are one and the same.

See? Right back to the truth, you can't squeal your way out of it, not when it's this simple.

And I really wish Mercopress would remove the pirate flag, it's an insult.
106 Redhoyt (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 06:02 am Report abuse
Well .. this story has gone very well. Argies can't handle the fact that the FI have a G and have made themselves look very childish .... wonderful!

Morning all ... any notable change? No! Great :-)
107 Think (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 06:45 am Report abuse
THIMC

As I can see that most of the “sensible” Brits have visited this article, I would like to ask them a simple question:

Do you Think that a picture of the Falklands flag at full-mast is an adequate heading for this particular article?

A simple Yes or No will suffice.
108 Redhoyt (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 06:58 am Report abuse
Yes ... why not?

The FI are sending condolences, they are not in mourning!
109 Zethee (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 08:19 am Report abuse
108 Think:
Yes.

“See? Right back to the truth”

In your deluded mind, yeah. Not in the real world. I've searched and i can't even find another source for this story on the net. If this is them trying to broadcast themselves to the world they clearly aren't trying very hard to get the message out there.

People can still be sympathetic if there government is not a internationally recognized government.

As for the flag being on the picture, well cry more honestly. You lot need to grow up, seriously. Only in a madmans mind can something which is supposed to be of good will be construed as such as you lot of idiots have.

If you honestly believe that this was only the UK using a catastrophe for political gain then you must also confess that every government in the world who ever sends letters of sympathy is also doing it for political gain.
110 MyaRu (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 08:42 am Report abuse
What's the problem with the FIG sending a letter to another government?... I find it PERFECT. The letter is just a way to show kindness towards nations who suffered big tragedies. This kind of gestures are totally welcome in a world where no one seems to care about the others. Who cares about the Arg/UK conflict when we're talking about Falklands, Brazil and Australia? Some people here on MP always comment on Falklands news to argue and sometimes didn't even focus in the article... If I were you I'd see a psychologist.

I recommend to grow up, put aside the paranoia and stop whining like babies over something from 30 years ago, is absolutely sick to have the head stuck in 1982. The world keeps spinning and playing as the victims isn't helpful at all, it makes Argentines look like blind immature kids that can't respect others' rights because they got their ego poked.
111 lsolde (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 08:51 am Report abuse
@108 Think, great flag, so in answer to your question would have to be a resounding YES
112 Think (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 09:22 am Report abuse
Well……………

I personally, would feel very badly if some catastrophe happened in the Falklands and an Argie news agency utilized a picture of an Argie flag waving at full mast to head an article about an Argie condolence letter.

Waving your flag over the misery of your opponents is no other than a cheap morbid jingoistic gesture ………….. ……………………

Speaking about flags…………………….

Nice Conrad Martens lithography of the Argentinean flag waving over Port Louis, Malvinas during Darwin’s visit in March 1833!
Dear old Charles apparently missed this one in his “Observations” :-)))
(Visible zooming in on the second picture)
darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?itemID=F1571&viewtype=image&pageseq=100

Further info, for all of you interested in Malvinas history, in this excellent article published today in Uruguay!
viajes.elpais.com.uy/?p=3677
113 Frank (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 10:07 am
Comment removed by the editor.
114 Forgetit87 (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 10:09 am Report abuse
“Perhaps the only thing you should explain is why you said Brazil, Norway, Australia, Colombia and Estonia were the only four nations in the world to send aid to hati”

Because that was what the links I had in hands - which I showed you - said about the subject.

“Personally, i never mentioned Venezuela because i had not found any links about the level of there involvment in the hati earthquake untill i read cirh. Very commendable of them. The press has not given Venezuela enough credit for the role it's done, it is hardly mentioned in any storys.”

I agree. Unless it is not about urban crime, recession, and the sizing of power by Chávez, the press will never discuss Venezuela. The international press purposelly provides a distorted and stereotyped view of that country. In fact, it does so to every South American country.
115 Martin_Fierro (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 10:23 am Report abuse
113 Think,

In reference to link darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?itemID=F1571&viewtype=image&pageseq=100

I see no comments on the Argentine flag

Which sure as hell doesn't look like a British flag ;-)
116 Think (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 10:35 am Report abuse
(115) Forgetit86

You say:
“The international press purposelly provides a distorted and stereotyped view of that country. In fact, it does so to every South American country.”

I say:
Not to mention the ”Devils of the Caribeean”: those Cubans and their ~400 ” hippocratic ”spies” in Haiti ;-)
www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=122919202

(116) Martin Fierro

You say:
”Which sure as hell doesn't look like a British flag ;-)”

I say:

Nope…. It doesn’t…
But it could be the Kosowo flag or………. ;-)
117 Martin_Fierro (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 10:45 am Report abuse
Honduras perhaps......
118 WestisBest (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 10:57 am Report abuse
@Martin

“75 WestisBest,
Your link takes me to a stupid Facebook group…”

Yes I know it does, I intended it to you tool. All I was asking is if that is the person you are refering to?
119 Forgetit87 (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 11:04 am Report abuse
@Think: Have you discovered already how Mercopress managed to know about this letter?
120 Martin_Fierro (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 11:06 am Report abuse
119 wb,

Don't know what you were trying to accomplish with that exactly

I did see the individual I was referring to... the same one you mentioned. Clear this up for me, will ya? In his profile... who's the guy with the puppet face?
121 Monty69 (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 11:06 am Report abuse
I can't see anything wrong with the picture. It's a library picture intended to represent the Falkland Islands Government, and that's what the article is about. Neither Brazil or Australia are our opponents, and neither tragedy happened in Argentina. If you lot choose to get your panties in a twist every time you see a Falkland Islands flag that's your problem.
122 Zethee (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 11:12 am Report abuse
“I agree. Unless it is not about urban crime, recession, and the sizing of power by Chávez, the press will never discuss Venezuela. The international press purposelly provides a distorted and stereotyped view of that country. In fact, it does so to every South American country.”

They did the same with cuba. All the US news reports that cuba did not help at all in the crisis when infact it was Cuba and Venezuela who were there first to help.

Then again Chávez didn't really help his case by going on about how it was a US superweapon that caused the earthquake. Made him sound a little nuts.

But yeah, it took me a while of reading before i even found out about Venezuelas help and even when i did find a story the fact that they gave so much money was kind of glanced over and slightly ignored.

“I personally, would feel very badly if some catastrophe happened in the Falklands and an Argie news agency utilized a picture of an Argie flag waving at full mast to head an article about an Argie condolence letter.”

I suppose that's your mindset. Younger nations often put a lot of emphasis of the sentimental value of flags, Older nations not so much.

This was the MercoPress' picture they put for the article think unless you're claiming the the UK government placed the picture here to try and insult the 30 or so Argentinians and Brazilians on this website

I very much doubt that the actual letters had a massive great flag posted with them.

And it wasn't sent to Argentina. Although Brazil does support you i doubt that the government would have been insulted by letters of sympathy nomatter from where they came from.

Personally i can't see the bad in this story.
123 WestisBest (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 11:18 am Report abuse
Sheesh...this is like pulling teeth...

It's quite simple Martin, I'll spell it out for you:

IS THAT THE DEAN HUNT YOU WERE REFERING TO ?

Do you understand now?
124 Martin_Fierro (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 11:22 am Report abuse
Yes you monument of an imbecile, it appears to be.

WHO'S PHOTO IS THE ONE WITH THE PUPPET FACE?
125 Think (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 11:49 am Report abuse
(120) Forgetit87

Contrary to popular belief, my only sources of information about the Islands are the publicly available material on the Internet and the facts gossips and lies generously contributed, through this channel, by the Islanders themselves.

Nothing on “Penguin News”, haven’t heard anything from the Islanders and certainly; ”nada de nada” on Internet.

But……………………………
I heard at the pub :-) …………………,that certain personal and commercial link do exist between a News-Agency that shall remain unnamed and some radicalized elements from an unidentified archipelago off the Argentinean coast.

By the way……
May I ask you a question?
As a Brazilian, ........what is your personal opinion about the adequacy of the picture heading this article?
126 Forgetit87 (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 12:09 pm Report abuse
@Think: I'm not offended either by the picture. This is just Mercopress doing its usual pro-FI propaganda. Albeit this time they overdid it, the pic doesn't do any harm.
127 Think (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 12:26 pm Report abuse
Fair enough.
It still annoys me though….
Must be my “flag wavers” aversion :-(
128 Monty69 (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 12:27 pm Report abuse
120 Forgetit87
@Think: Have you discovered already how Mercopress managed to know about this letter?

Well that's an easy one to answer. FIG always do a press release for this kind of thing and would have sent it straight to Mercopress. Sorry if that isn't very exciting for you; I know how much you all like a conspiracy theory.
129 Think (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 12:30 pm Report abuse
Didn't the FIG(leaf) send that press release to the Penguin News :-)))
130 Monty69 (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 12:36 pm Report abuse
I haven't read today's Penguin News and won't get it until later. The story was on FIRS a couple of days ago. The PN make their own editorial decisions; knowing the current editor, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the story wasn't tabloid enough for him.
By the way, I met a couple of chaps from Mercopress at a party in Stanley once. Does that make me a 'radicalised element'? How marvellous.
I don't get called 'generous' very often either, but if there's anything else I can help you with, you just let me know. We don't have anything to hide.
131 Forgetit87 (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 01:01 pm Report abuse
I guess you can think of our musings as conspiracy theorizing, Monty. But a link between Mercopress and the FIG would explain quite a lot about the website's line, its excessive focus on FI affairs, and its biases regarding Argentinean politics.
132 Redhoyt (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 01:34 pm Report abuse
Mercopress knows its audience :-)
133 Think (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 01:42 pm Report abuse
(131) Monty69

Poocha (wo)man!
You still get the Penguin!…..
On real paper?......
How beautifully retro :-)

About your “radical belonger” status. It all depends which guys from MercoPress you have met…..
Mr. G. is ok….

Thank you for your generous offer….
Could use a correspondent in Gran Malvina……
For the moment,…. just let me know when you are having that homegrown pork roast feast.

(132) Forgetit87
For some of us that have been here long enough, the link is self evident.

Their own description has always puzzled me:
”MercoPress is an independent news agency………………
Independent of what?
Impartiality? :-)
134 Forgetit87 (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 01:44 pm Report abuse
Hahahaha :P
135 briton (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 01:49 pm Report abuse
God these argie bloggers get worse, they cant win with militery force
they cant win with the truth, they cant win with justice so they belittle themselves with goblety rubish to confuse us, and even that dont work
but to be great you have to be British, to be a loser you are, Argentine,
136 WestisBest (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 01:59 pm Report abuse
“WHO'S PHOTO IS THE ONE WITH THE PUPPET FACE?”

Search me, I don't know and frankly I don't care, I'd never heard of Dean Hunt until you mentioned him, judging by what he writes he ain't no Falkland Islander though, you need to get out in the fresh air a bit more Martin.
137 Denrich (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 02:44 pm Report abuse
@ Martin...

”Me thinks “Islander1” is someone called Dean Hunt, the most self-deluded Kelper on the planet... I would recognize his lies and sheer madness anywhere.

Hahaha how wrong you are Martin, seeing as you have some passionate feelings for Dean Zak Hunt, you may wan't to know it's a made up profile with false downloaded profile pictures, made up purposly to troll your dumbwit argie extreemist malvinist groups on FB. I am not an Islander nor military, though those Islanders who recognise my Merco press username will know who I am.

As for Martin, well you might have already realised he is an extreemist malvinist who still believes all the malvinist lies such as Belgrano war crime, sinking of the Invincible etc etc and goes out of his way to convince himself & others that they are true.

As for this topic, well only an Argie could go to such low depths to criticise a letter of sympathy, what a nation of retards!
138 Monty69 (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 03:02 pm Report abuse
130 Think
Didn't the FIG(leaf) send that press release to the Penguin News :-)))

It's right there, eight lines on page 3, close to the bit about the Gypsy Cove toilets. You should look more closely.
139 Think (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 03:14 pm Report abuse
You are right!

Irony of destiny.
Close to the toilets.
Gues they couldn' make it:-)
140 Islander1 (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 03:58 pm Report abuse
Martin- still waiting for the list of South American ports closed to vessels working to and from the Islands? A big one just arrives today from Buenos Aires!
Have you found the mysterious Dean Hunt yet?
Interesting article in todays Penguin News - listing the series of blatant cases of Argentina breaking the UN General Assembly motion of 1976?
141 JustinKuntz (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 05:16 pm Report abuse
Dean Hunt, class, we are not worthy.
142 Fido Dido (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 08:15 pm Report abuse
Wouldn't it better for the people of the Falklands to become independent and have their own head of the state?
143 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 09:14 pm Report abuse
141 Islander1 ,“Martin- still waiting for the list of South American ports closed to vessels working to and from the Islands?”
Easy Islander, we are getting there....despacito despacito le rompimos el..

www.falklandnews.com/public/story.cfm?get=5868&source=3
144 Martin_Fierro (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 09:49 pm Report abuse
137 WestisBes,

You started by shooting your mouth off and telling me I was wrong, now you're telling me you don't know… classic British behavior.

You're right though… 'Dean Hunt' is probably not his real name… everything he does is fake, fake names (several) fake info, fake life… but he's disturbed enough and stupid enough for anyone to recognize him, on any group, any forum. I wouldn't be surprised if he had several nick names here on Mercopress.

One thing he does when he gets mad like the infant that he is, is ask for proof repeatedly… (like Islander1 is doing right now) usually incredibly stupid questions.

The only country still granting the UK (or “FIG”) access to port, is Chile. So the answer to your question is: EVERY PORT. Ask yourself… When was the last time your fake “FIG” was allowed to dock in South America? Other than in Chile.

Instead of asking… 'how many ports of entry are there in South America? I bet you don't know” like a complete retard.
145 Monty69 (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 10:48 pm Report abuse
'When was the last time your fake “FIG” was allowed to dock in South America? Other than in Chile.'

It may have escaped your notice, but FIG doesn't actually have its own navy. It doesn't have any ships of its own at all.
I wouldn't be rude enough to call you a retard.
146 Martin_Fierro (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 11:22 pm Report abuse
hmm.. no ships of its own, strange for such a well established “government” not to have a single ship.

How about companies based in Malvinas, do they have any ships? What flag do they fly?

Ships stationed in Malvinas flying the flag of the 'Royal Navy'. Any of those allowed in South America? When was the last time?
147 Monty69 (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 11:28 pm Report abuse
Yes, not telling you, yes, and fairly recently (your questions answered, in that order)
I'm not telling you any more. What you don't know can't hurt us.
148 Zethee (#) Jan 21st, 2011 - 11:58 pm Report abuse
“hmm.. no ships of its own, strange for such a well established “government” not to have a single ship.”
It's not unknown. From europe alone i know Switzerland and Hungary both once had navy's but nolonger have one.
149 briton (#) Jan 22nd, 2011 - 12:27 am Report abuse
argie blogger talk crap, Argentina is the only country in the world that has a land based navy, IT NEVER COMES OUT ha ha ha
150 Redhoyt (#) Jan 22nd, 2011 - 12:35 am Report abuse
Martian - the Royal Navy flies its own flag, merchant shipping fly the flags of their country of registration. As the FIg doesn't have a registration system there are no ships flying the Falklands flag.

As for the last time that a Roal Navy vessel landed in South America I think that you'll find it was Chile at the exhibition they had. Couple of months ago?
151 briton (#) Jan 22nd, 2011 - 12:46 am Report abuse
Once again Argentina and argies bloggers want to argue over things they either don’t own, or have no valid argument, A very nice country that cant or wont except they are wrong, has a big mental problem .
[shame ] and just when we were becoming friends ??
152 Frank (#) Jan 22nd, 2011 - 12:49 am Report abuse
They do have a registry, its just that at this time it has no need to be 'Class 1'... Protegat is probably the largest Stanley registered ship at present, www.ukshipregister.co.uk/falkland.htm
153 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 22nd, 2011 - 12:55 am Report abuse
149 Zethee, “Switzerland and Hungary both once had navy's but nolonger have one.”
Specially with no water around them.
154 Zethee (#) Jan 22nd, 2011 - 01:01 am Report abuse
“Specially with no water around them.”

That makes a difference? most nations without a coastline have a navy. The Bolivian for example.
155 WestisBest (#) Jan 22nd, 2011 - 01:05 am
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156 zethe (#) Jan 22nd, 2011 - 01:06 am Report abuse
Also like to point out that there are about 20 countrys without any military in the world. it's not that uncommon.

Most are small places...Like the falklands.
157 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 22nd, 2011 - 01:11 am Report abuse
Falklands? what's that?
I am sure that you meant Malvinas Argentinas.
158 Martin_Fierro (#) Jan 22nd, 2011 - 03:43 am Report abuse
148 Monty69

Simple questions, convoluted answers, the usual crap from the Brits.

Ok, I'll try to make sense of what you said.

The 'well established FIG” has no ships, if it does, it wouldn't dare show its pirate flag. Same for any ship from companies based in Malvinas.

I'd be ashamed to show your flag too, it's understandable.

The 'Royal Navy' (rather ludicrous title) is only allowed to dock in Chile.

End of story.

156 WestisBest,

I said I would recognize his nonsense anywhere, I know who he is. He is “Dean Hunt” on Facebook, he is “Dean Street” on Flickr, he is “Islander1”… here, and god knows what else. And you, are an idiot.
159 Kiwisarg (#) Jan 22nd, 2011 - 04:53 am Report abuse
159 Martin_Fierro (#)

Martin!! It were good asnwers. well done, man!!!
160 Redhoyt (#) Jan 22nd, 2011 - 04:56 am Report abuse
Sorry Martian, but it's doubtful that all Royal Navy vessels will be barred from Brazilian ports. More likely it was a political one off. After all the UK only signed a defence agreement with Brazil last year!

No sign of shipping relating to the oil industry being stopped either!
161 Martin_Fierro (#) Jan 22nd, 2011 - 06:29 am Report abuse
Redhoyt, your planet sounds nice.
162 Zethee (#) Jan 22nd, 2011 - 07:28 am Report abuse
162: It's no secret that Brazil and the UK just signed a defence agreement.

Google it.
163 Redhoyt (#) Jan 22nd, 2011 - 08:15 am Report abuse
It's called the 'Earth', Martian .... it's where people keep their feet on the 'ground' .. you should visit sometime, you'd like it. Shouldn't be a problem for you to get a visa, .... probably :-)
164 Zethee (#) Jan 22nd, 2011 - 08:27 am Report abuse
Jump the fence
165 WestisBest (#) Jan 22nd, 2011 - 08:59 am Report abuse
“I said I would recognize his nonsense anywhere, I know who he is. He is “Dean Hunt” on Facebook, he is “Dean Street” on Flickr, he is “Islander1”… here, and god knows what else.”

Ahhhh....so whatever you say is the truth just because it's you saying it, how very Argentine.
166 Denrich (#) Jan 22nd, 2011 - 12:56 pm Report abuse
@ Martian...

”You're right though… 'Dean Hunt' is probably not his real name… everything he does is fake, fake names (several) fake info, fake life… but he's disturbed enough and stupid enough for anyone to recognize him, on any group, any forum. I wouldn't be surprised if he had several nick names here on Mercopress.“

Your obsession with me is not natural dude, though it makes me smile to think I must have rattled your cage on FB at some time.

I have no Flickr account so your way off the ball.

I am not Islander1 on Mercopress, so again way off the ball

”One thing he does when he gets mad like the infant that he is, is ask for proof repeatedly”

I don't get mad on FB, though I do find most Argie comments highly amusing hence why I set up this group...

www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/group.php?gid=113220842065904

As for repeatedly asking for proof, well that's because you Argies have none & think you can post crap and dislike prooving it's source.
167 briton (#) Jan 22nd, 2011 - 08:03 pm Report abuse
The 'Royal Navy' (rather ludicrous title) is only allowed to dock in Chile.
says Martin_Fierro ?????????????
why ludicrous title,, it just so happens to be the best recognisable navy in the world, probably more battle honours than any other navy, probably the oldest and finest in the world.
now what about the Argentinean navy ???????????????????
now you know the difference,
168 Islander1 (#) Jan 23rd, 2011 - 01:13 am Report abuse
Martin, there are about 30-40 ships registered here that can fly the Islands flag - you would be surprised that you will find several in a variety of S American ports today. The largest are probably the 2 British Antarctic Survey vessels- the proudly state Port Stanley on their sterns as port of registry - B.A.S. ships have done for many years.
So you are telling us that no British merchant vessels are allowed to dock anywhere in S America outside Chile!!! - wake up man - I think you will find that several do even in Argentine ports!
You have not been on here long and it shows in the tripe you come up with

As for the Navy - do you say the same about the Royal- Australian- New Zealand- Canadian - etc etc Navies?

Facebook - never been on it and no interest in it! Same for Twitter .
169 Martin_Fierro (#) Jan 23rd, 2011 - 03:10 am Report abuse
163 Zethee,

It's no secret that the UK and Argentina did the same, we bombed the hell out of you in Malvinas, with your bombs.

Google it

Arms supply is by no means a pledge of allegiance, it's just business.

168 briton,

Too much sugar in your Earl Gray

169 Islander1,

Surprise me ;-)
170 Zethee (#) Jan 23rd, 2011 - 03:16 am Report abuse
Martin_Fierro:
You added two and two together and got four hundred and sixty seven.

Congratulations, you missed the point entirely.
171 Martin_Fierro (#) Jan 23rd, 2011 - 03:20 am Report abuse
171 Zethee,

I have absolutely no idea what you just said, English would be preferable.
172 Redhoyt (#) Jan 23rd, 2011 - 04:17 am Report abuse
English he speaks, it's your gibberish that he's having difficulty understanding !
173 Frank (#) Jan 23rd, 2011 - 06:50 am Report abuse
1 Martian_Fairytales (#)
Jan 20th, 2011 - 03:40 am
“Nice pirate flag”

Nicer than that faded and washed out dishcloth you RG Diegos use.... mind you I am rather taken by the smiley face sun in the guts of it... done by a pre schooler was it?
174 Martin_Fierro (#) Jan 23rd, 2011 - 07:11 am Report abuse
171 Zethee, is it you or your boyfriend 'Redhot' I'm speaking to?

Selling weapons to Brazil does not make them your ally, no commitments, no guarantees. Argentina signed a weapons contract with South Africa, so what? They'll do whatever is best for them regardless of any deal they make with us.

It was Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva that signed the weapons contract with Brazil, while at the same time questioning: “What is the geographical, political and economic explanation for England to be in the Malvinas?”
en.mercopress.com/2010/02/24/brazil-s-lula-da-silva-blasts-us-security-council-and-britain

As for Dilma Rousseff? She went a step further by denying the HMS Clyde entry to port, no other choice for the UK but to play it down and admit embarrassment. I don't think the UK will be trying that again anytime soon.

I wonder if those deals made with the UK were indeed finalized, if not she may choose to cancel them like she did with the French and their Dassault Rafale. (worth looking into)

Business is business, nothing more. Brazil's relations with the UK will NEVER take precedence over those with Argentina, no matter what the issue is.

174 Frank,
Do you work for the railways in the UK? Wembley perhaps?
175 Frank (#) Jan 23rd, 2011 - 07:48 am Report abuse
Nope
176 Zethee (#) Jan 23rd, 2011 - 11:12 am Report abuse
175:

Still missing the point....
177 Redhoyt (#) Jan 23rd, 2011 - 11:46 am Report abuse
martian - well done, wrong again!

The Royal Navy WILL go back to Brazil, the regime there will do whatever is good for Brazil, and if that means stuffing Argentina then they'll do that too. After all, Brazil is aiming to dominate the south cone ... and you're worried about us :-))
178 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 23rd, 2011 - 06:03 pm Report abuse
Rotted, HMS Clyde, Brazil answer: get the hell out!
HMS Gloucester Uruguay answer: same above

What do you like to say all the time?.....Get used to it :-))))
179 briton (#) Jan 23rd, 2011 - 08:12 pm Report abuse
Rather than wasting your time running down the British, would not you do well to promote how good your own country is,
or is there nothing good about it,
lets see how much you argies bloggers know about your own countries great achievements, [AND NO WIKAPEDIA PLEASE] , OR FIDO DIDO, needles or pricks, just argie greats
180 Domingo (#) Jan 24th, 2011 - 12:44 am Report abuse
@180:

If nobody objects, I'll start by proposing the classical composer Alberto Ginastera. Personally I'm a fan of his piano compositions.

I really like his Danzas Argentinas:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1PsLjSfMoE&feature=related

especially Dance for a beautiful maiden (worth a second listen):

www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9UmpGRh8R0&feature=related

Also like the racy stuff:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IB88iPb0UM&playnext=1&list=PLF5FD6ADDBFD7F723&index=28

this is a proper workout. Nice to remember a friend too.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuDpIYIcrgw&feature=related
181 PomInOz (#) Jan 24th, 2011 - 01:07 am Report abuse
And I'll go with having the world's most famous fat, drug-taking, journalist-shooting football genius/cheat (take your pick, depending on you point of view/nationality). However, he still remains fat, a drug-taker and a shooter of journalists irrespective of your nationality!
182 Redhoyt (#) Jan 24th, 2011 - 01:10 am Report abuse
Alberto Ginastera, half Catalan ..... like the ELP interpretations of his work, but then I'm just an old (not as old as Think) prog rocker!

MoreCrap - politicians have a versatile approach to the world. One refusal does not a victory make .... nor even 2.
183 Martin_Fierro (#) Jan 24th, 2011 - 01:43 am Report abuse
177 Zethee,

Enlighten me and cut to it

178 Redhoyt,

“Brazil is aiming to dominate the south cone” How?

I guarantee you if your royal CRAP goes back to Brazil, they won't come from Malvinas.

180 briton,

“Rather than wasting your time running down the British”

You're running down just fine on your own... we give you facts and you want to change the subjects.
184 Domingo (#) Jan 24th, 2011 - 01:55 am Report abuse
Yes and half Italian too on his mum's side (what could be more Argentine?), but 100% genius. Born in BsA.

LOL:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm0GbkMOgBk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=k30ShJY1YIg

Prog rock & originalare both in your face!
Diego is undoubtedly a footballing god:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs8f8hsBkG4&NR=1

I am certain in their hearts the football loving English forgave Maradona at least just a little bit for the above genius, even if against their team in the World Cup...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbbsytHDp2o&NR=1

Great quote too:

“The goal was scored a little bit by the hand of God, a little by the head of Maradona”

Some people call it cheating... well, a forward has to go for it and I've seen others get away with the odd handball... better to not use hands in football (unless you're a goalie in the area) and to play fair at all times, but the man is a footballing god. We're not worthy. ;-D
185 Redhoyt (#) Jan 24th, 2011 - 04:22 am Report abuse
Martian - you're a child, it becomes clear!

Brazil has 'aspirations' .... wake up and smell the roses.
186 Forgetit87 (#) Jan 24th, 2011 - 04:30 am Report abuse
Redhoyt, Argentina is Brazil's second most important trade partner. And in this time of overvalued currency, trade with her is vital for Brazilian industry. And mind you, Argentina's role for the welfare of the Brazilian economy is not a recent thing. You are insane to think Brazil will ever downgrade relations with Argentina just to acquire some BAE toys. And while you fantasize Brazil is some threat for Argentina's safety, we're closing our doors for vessels connected to the FI.
187 Redhoyt (#) Jan 24th, 2011 - 04:43 am Report abuse
Argentina is Brazil's second most important trade partner ...... now!

But Brazil is widening her horizons and looking out over the bigger world. Argentina will struggle to maintain her position.

But then ... I may be insane :-)
188 Forgetit87 (#) Jan 24th, 2011 - 04:49 am Report abuse
I remember reading some time ago that the UK exports more to tiny Ireland than it does to the BRIC countries (combined) or to Latin America as a whole. That is only natural, I guess, for Ireland is Britain's neighbor. Argentina is Brazil's neighbor. As such, she'll always be a natural trade partner for us. And considering how depressed the world economy is and how protectionistic some countries are becoming (Brazil included), I doubt Brazil will achieve a change in its trade pattern any time soon, or even that it is planning to do such a thing. So yes, Argentina will keep being important, and perhaps increasingly more so, in the years to come.
189 Martin_Fierro (#) Jan 24th, 2011 - 05:17 am Report abuse
What is wrong with these people?

Redhoyt,

I asked HOW. How exactly is Brazil trying to dominate Argentina? By doing what?

“wake up and smell the roses” ok... what are you talking about? Give us an example, one move, one bit of news... anything.
190 Redhoyt (#) Jan 24th, 2011 - 05:39 am Report abuse
ForgeTIT - you probably shouldn't have mentioned Ireland, O”gaga will think they've sold out.

Interestingly, Ireland comes in about 5th - www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/feb/24/uk-trade-exports-imports

Think will love me quoting from the Guardian :-)

My point is that neighbours are good trading partners because its cheaper to get the good there, but the bigger customers are rarely your neighbours. I believe Brazil is making the right moves, how it then deals with its local politics is something that we'll have to wait and see.

MoreCrap - ok, an example. Last Mercosur conference a final announcement was agreed by everyone except Brazil (comcerning the Falklands). It was changed!
191 Martin_Fierro (#) Jan 24th, 2011 - 06:04 am Report abuse
Huh? An announcement?

Get a clue kid... don't try to have the last word if you don't know what you're talking about.
192 Redhoyt (#) Jan 24th, 2011 - 06:12 am Report abuse
You asked for one example and you got it! Still not happy though? Typical Argie.

Have a look at Argentina's GDP which comes in 28th in the 2009 world listing - Brazil = 8th. No other south cone country comes close! Now the word 'dominate' in english can mean more than high heels and whips !

Brazil is the 'big boy' of South America and with its trade powers it will increasingly call the shots for the region. When the US President wants to talk to South America he'll call Brazil first! So will Putin ... or that chinese fella , WhoFlungDung ( or whatever).

And now, as I said above, Brazil's starting to look further afield - www.defencetalk.com/china-navy-needs-carrier-killer-missile-28586/

All perfectly natural.
193 tolerford (#) Jan 24th, 2011 - 09:25 am Report abuse
Have seen boston.com's photos from last week of Brazil's landslides. Cannot donate, but want to send condolence to the people of Teresopolis, Nova Triburgo, Atibaia, Sumidouro, Poco Fundo, Conquista and Sao Bento. Was unable to find Rio newspaper online that had set aside a section for such. Haven't thoroughly researched it; only to learn it's the worse landslide in 40 years, how the death toll is rising and the incredible aerial photo of the slides themselves down so many mountains. Also to send my heartfelt hope that the government, the Red Cross, and all other sources of relief touch as many victims as possible.
194 Denrich (#) Jan 24th, 2011 - 10:58 am Report abuse
Careful tolerford,

The Argies will be suggesting your condolences are politicaly motivated.
195 Redhoyt (#) Jan 24th, 2011 - 11:27 am Report abuse
ooops .. wrong link !

www.bbc.co.uk/news/10146223

Silly old bu**er
196 Forgetit87 (#) Jan 24th, 2011 - 01:15 pm Report abuse
That Ireland isn't the trade partner number 1 to the UK is only natural: she's a very small country. Still, of the top 8 importers of UK goods, all but one is European. And that single non-European one, the US, is, like the UK, a North Atlantic country, that is, it shares geographical commonalities with Britain. And finally, that geography matters more than anything else in shaping a country's trade relations is shown in the fact that Ireland - tiny Ireland - imports more UK goods than India and China combined.

You can keep babbling about Brazil looking at the outside world; it will achieve nothing and it is likely not trying to. As I said before, the world economy is depressed and countries are becoming more protectionistic. Brazil will have to stick to traditional partners - specially the ones with the stronger GDP growth figures, because they're the ones who can keep importing Brazilian goods. And as you know, Argentina's growth figures are enviable. Some time ago Argentina was Brazil's number 3 trade partner. She's now number 2. Throughout 2010 there were many news pieces - and you can check them in Mercopress itself - about the growing Brazil-Argentina trade, which was achieving new highs. This points that Argentina is not, as you wish she were, becoming less relevant for Brazil. She's becoming more important.

And finally, that Brazil's larger than Argentina doesn't mean it is a threat to Argentina or to any of its neighbors. The US economy is many times greater than Canada's or Mexico's. But I doubt you consider the US a threat to those countries. No, instead you seem to believe that countries who fear US interventionism in the future, are driven by paranoia.
197 Redhoyt (#) Jan 24th, 2011 - 03:07 pm Report abuse
Babbling :-)

No comment on the link then?

No mention of Brazil's wanting closer trade ties with the EU?

And I didn't say Brazil was a threat ! I said it would dominate ... different thing entirely.

Paranoia :-)
198 briton (#) Jan 24th, 2011 - 03:22 pm Report abuse
Well lads I expected to much really, but please allow a brit to help prove a little point,

officially the Argentine Republic

Argentina was the only Latin American country to participate in the 1991 Gulf War

It was also the only Latin American country involved in every phase of Operation Uphold Democracy in Haiti.[citation needed] Argentina has contributed worldwide to peacekeeping operations, including those in El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Guatemala, the Ecuador-Peru dispute, Western Sahara,

U.S. President Bill Clinton designated Argentina as a major non-NATO ally

Argentina was also a founding member of the united nations,

www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ar.html

Now look how far you have fallen in the world, you will have to do better than this, tut tut ?
199 Forgetit87 (#) Jan 24th, 2011 - 03:24 pm Report abuse
Which link, the BBC one? Well, I'm not interested in the viewpoints of superficial scribblers from the international press. The facts were the ones I've told you: Brazil has a very small presence in the international market; things are not going to change anytime soon due to its expensive currency and increased protectionism in world economies; as a result, Brazil will have to stick to traditional partnerships; and as such, the trend is that Argentina will become more, not less, important as a partner to Brazil.
200 Think (#) Jan 24th, 2011 - 04:09 pm Report abuse
( 198 ) Hoyt

I did read your so called ”BBC” link …..........

First thing I noticed was the pre election date…..

Then I detected the many positive mentions of conservative ex president Cardoso.

I became quite aware of a very familiar “South-American Conservative Media Conglomerate” writing style.

I began asking myself…………….

Has the BBC really lowered their analytical standards so much or am I being paranoid as that “Hoyt” Lad keeps repeating?

Then………, I reached the last line of the article…………..

Translated from the Portuguese…. by Liz Throssell,

Chuckle Chuckle
201 Forgetit87 (#) Jan 24th, 2011 - 04:25 pm Report abuse
Think, I only read the link not that you commented on it.

I love this part:

”The most important has been the political and economic stability over the past 16 years, first under President Fernando Henrique Cardoso (1994 - 2002).“

During Cardoso's two terms, Brazil's unemployment levels went up to levels not seen since the 60s; GDP growth per capita stagnated; and Brazil had two balance of payments crises: one in 99 and another 3 years later. Apparently that's how the international press define ”economic stability.” As long as foreign speculators are profitting from high interest rates, the economy is considered stable, no matter how much the country's population is suffering.
202 Think (#) Jan 24th, 2011 - 05:40 pm Report abuse
Easy to “Guess” that this article originates from the Brazilian “O Globo” newspaper and was directly and uncritically translated by the BBC.

So much for European Public Service Information....:-)
203 Redhoyt (#) Jan 24th, 2011 - 11:55 pm Report abuse
Of course the point is, when an article doesn't suit - ignore it.

Typical of members of the south cone, bur remember what incestuous behaviour breeds ..... we'll see :-)
204 Sir Rodderick Bodkin (#) Jan 25th, 2011 - 09:59 pm Report abuse
So much thoughtless hate against my country.
Hate all you want, bunch of retards.
It's not like you're going to change anything dipshit!!
205 briton (#) Jan 25th, 2011 - 11:38 pm Report abuse
14 Sep 2010 | Ref. 200/2010

Joint UK Government And BAE Systems Offer Set To Boost Trade With Brazil
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil: On the back of a Defence Cooperation Agreement, announced today by the UK and Brazilian Governments, BAE Systems has confirmed its commitment to Brazil and its naval re-equipment programme in a move that paves the way for new industrial partnerships with Brazil.
www.baesystems.com/Newsroom/NewsReleases/2010/autoGen_110814162825.html
we must be doing something right, ??
206 Forgetit87 (#) Jan 26th, 2011 - 02:11 am Report abuse
This is amusing.

Apparently the Jews believe the floods in those two countries were provoked by god's wrath over their rejection of Israeli policies toward Palestine:

ruchoshelmashiach.blogspot.com/2011/01/brazil-australia-hit-by-deadly-floods.html
207 Be serious (#) Jan 26th, 2011 - 11:18 am Report abuse
206 That is excellent news for BAE Systems and Brazil.
208 Forgetit87 (#) Jan 26th, 2011 - 01:16 pm Report abuse
”Since before Brazilian president Dilma Rousseff officially took office on January 1, there have been persistent reports that she will review some of the big ticket defence items approved by her predecessor, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva.

These include a plan to review a proposal to buy 11 warships worth $6bn (...)

If the warship purchase is delayed or abandoned, it will be a blow to the UK. Britain’s BAE Systems, Europe’s largest defence contractor, was keen to win the tender.”

blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/2011/01/25/dilma-takes-aim-at-defence-spending/
209 Think (#) Jan 26th, 2011 - 03:02 pm Report abuse
(209) Forgetit87

”A former Marxist guerrilla who was tortured by Brazil’s former military regime, it is ironic that Ms Rousseff now has power over the armed forces’ ability to purchase new toys.”
blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/2011/01/25/dilma-takes-aim-at-defence-spending/

I would really hope Dilma reconsiders the whole ”traditional defense” purchase strategy.
It is just too much against any imaginable regional enemy but too little against the big strategic players.

A good idea, in my opinion, would be for Brazil to establish a whole new age of “State of the Art” missile and robotic technologies in cooperation with Venezuela and Argentina.

Argentina has the Technicians.
Venezuela got the Money.
Brazil;… the Garotas :-)
210 briton (#) Jan 26th, 2011 - 08:50 pm Report abuse
Interesting that some bloggers think Argentina is bigger and more importent than it actualy is, Brazil has its own internal problems without Argentina adding to them, mmmmmmm
211 I (#) Jan 27th, 2011 - 08:53 am Report abuse
How sweet and kind, about ending the ilegal occupation of Islas Malvinas Argentina ?? I have toilet paper worth more then a pirats sympathy.
212 Wireless (#) Jan 27th, 2011 - 09:08 am Report abuse
Your fixation with bog roll was interesting for a very short time, and I'm sure it is a popular topic when you're giving your boyfriend a reach around, but it really is becoming tedious.
213 Zethee (#) Jan 27th, 2011 - 11:57 am Report abuse
213: LOL!
214 briton (#) Jan 27th, 2011 - 03:55 pm Report abuse
Specially with the argies flag on it ,
No pun intended ?

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