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“London and New York, two biggest laundries of criminal and drug money”
Martin Woods, a former senior anti-money laundering officer at the London office of Wachovia Bank says that New York and London have become the world's two biggest laundries of criminal and drug money, and offshore tax havens. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesNo.... this is outrageous!! Accusing the US and the UK of such a massive criminal enterprise...... these are 1st world nations!
Apr 04th, 2011 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0: P
It doesn't surprise me at all. Money goes to money.
Apr 04th, 2011 - 08:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0The biggest crooks appear to operate under the cloak of respectability.
Purely the boneheads believe this The Observer's bogus article !
Apr 04th, 2011 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0You do not believe there is money laundering in the US and UK?
Apr 04th, 2011 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0#4--- don't you know the Anglo-Saxon mentality !
Apr 04th, 2011 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0The situation in Mexico has very confused , the strategy could be
the Mexico maul by extracting some persons in Wall Street & City.
It doesn't surprise me at all either.
Apr 04th, 2011 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0@5 #4--- don't you know the Anglo-Saxon mentality !
Apr 04th, 2011 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0What do you mean by that? That Anglo-Saxons do not commit crime?
I would correct to some deep secret organizations instead of Anglo-Saxon word...not only in Wall St &City ,the all other World Bourses centers are used for money laundering.
Apr 04th, 2011 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps the truth is much nearer to home than we think,
Apr 04th, 2011 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0corruption in this case , with the billions at risk, you can guarantee they have protection from the very top, the same men that are suppose to stop them, the governments of the world are quite capable of stopping this in part, but do just enough to show interest, where there’s money there’s corruption,,
where there’s corruption you will find politicians there somewhere,
[of course not all politicians are bad, just a few perhaps ]
More than just a few, Briton. A lot!
Apr 04th, 2011 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Power corrupts & absolute power corrupts absolutely”
Wooooooooooooow.......
Apr 04th, 2011 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some Britons noticing the big, hairy,smelly Orang-Utan in their own eye instead of the speck in their brothers eye.
ElaineB...............You seem to be a clever lass........
Just some friendly advice......
Don’t use too much of your time with “Ed”, “Yul” or “Arquero” ……..
Kind of “Zionist-American Conspiracy” believers, you know………………
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jRwkD2dZJ7luYM5397aQKNaxQlig?docId=6291503
Apr 04th, 2011 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jRwkD2dZJ7luYM5397aQKNaxQlig?docId=6291503
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jRwkD2dZJ7luYM5397aQKNaxQlig?docId=6291503
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Apr 04th, 2011 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Damage control... haha
Yes stick it up, we know there is corruption in Argentina, you only remind the whole world about it ten times a day. But this is “3rd world” corruption, nothing compared to the US or the UK, you're far more “advanced”. ;-)
I think the point is that money laundering goes on everywhere. The US and UK are going to be obvious targets because of the relatively stable and desirable currencies. I cannot see how it will ever be entirely eradicated.
Apr 04th, 2011 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lol you mean we needed a reporter to point that out to us? no wonder most britards come here thinking they have the moral grounds to lecture south americans on corruption, This so called news is your basic example of what is wrong with the world today, the same europids who are driving the world into plundering the resources in Libya today are the same people who are mostlikely supplying the money for weapons for terrorits there, it reminds me of the taliban in Afghanistan and the kurds in Iraq.
Apr 04th, 2011 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.mathaba.net/news/?x=626278
This doesn't supprise me either. lot's of crime in london.
Apr 04th, 2011 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you think you are being lectured on corruption? I thought we were pretty much in agreement that it exists everywhere.
Apr 04th, 2011 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is, however, a difference between some cultures about how acceptable it is. Some cultures applaud the idea of people getting away with not paying their taxes or accepting a little bribe to help a transaction along. It is regarded as beating the system rather than cheating the system. Other cultures would find that anathema. It doesn't mean corruption is not evident in both cultures but the attitude to it may be different.
Before the Argentines jump in defence I was actually thinking about Italian culture where wealth, power and beauty are revered and the ability to cheat the system rather admired. JMO and experience.
Hey Think. Have you taken a look at the latest report from RKH yet?
Apr 04th, 2011 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.rockhopperexploration.co.uk/pdf/apr_2011_update.pdf
Nice :-)
I told Fredmex several times (BTW where is he?) that US sucks, corruption and criminal activities are day today business. But Brainwashed people cannot understand and like to point their fingers to others.
Apr 04th, 2011 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0FredMex Where are you????
@ElaineB
Bribes and cheating every system they can is part of the Italian culture. In some part of Italy people cannot even get a job in the state if they don’t pay to someone. But as you said corruption depends on a cultural thing. I see that in other countries corruption is widespread as well but in top levels and in a more sophisticate manner.
: )
“London and New York, two biggest laundries of criminal and drug money”
Apr 04th, 2011 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a surprise!!
US Wachovia bank became part of Wells Fargo with bailout money (US taxpayers..how nice of them) and made and still make Warren Buffet and his “special” friend Charly (War)Monger one of the greatest King Pings of Money Laundry.
Apr 04th, 2011 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Funny, London and New York City, HQ of banks and insurance: HSBC, Barcleys, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, JP Morgan Chase, Morgan Stanley, CITI, Goldman Sachs, AIG known for manipulating, money laundry and fraudulant in home mortgages, and not a single of their CEO or whatever went to jail after the so called credit crisis, but received a bailout from it's taxpayers. Yes, if you want to have a career in white color crooks, you have to be in one of those cities. To be fair, Mercopress missed in the list Amsterdam and Zurich.
#17/
Apr 04th, 2011 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let's look at two American heroes of USA :
Carlo Ponzi --- Italian origin.
Berny Madoff --- Jew origin.
Yul/ 401 Ottilia
(18) Beef
Apr 04th, 2011 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good “No News”..................again!
As Ronald Reagan once said:
“Where is the Beef?”
Some fresh news from your favourite paper:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/8426244/Why-you-should-avoid-Falkland-Islands-oil-explorers.html
Enjoy
Actually think I prefer the Independent. BTW that article is not news, it is an opinion written in the first person from someone who appears to be an income investor who has a higher degree of risk aversion then myself.
Apr 04th, 2011 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let us see the beef now should we.
New low case estimate (e.g P90 but they cannot specify the P number without RPS producing independent CPR) = 155 mmbbls!!!! And that is with only with 30% recovery factor.
Remember that eventually we will see a narrowing of the range bur for now mean with move to the right. After seismic and more drilling then mean should become more stable with range between p90 and p10 closing.
Look at pg.14 from 2009 with low estimate of only 58 mmbbls. Words like significant upside potential come to mind.
Now look at pages 11, 12 & 15. Look at that big hole in the 3D seismic and the southern limit of the discovery area. I wonder why they have fast tracked that specific area for results of the latest 3D???????
Now look at the rest of RKH 2011.
In addition to three other appraisal wells and a flow test on the next well we are also going for additional exploration.
14/10-2 and 14/10-4 are in communication.
Sealion is all going to plan and every bit of data is giving us a clearer picture. The odds indicate that oil production will come to the Falkland Islands, I know where my money is!
Ah but think is only thinking of today, and not the future,
Apr 04th, 2011 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if there is no oil, then so be it, but if there is, who then will look very silly,
What I can see is the “Beef” getting smaller…………..
Apr 04th, 2011 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please correct me if I remember wrongly…..
1) Rockflopper estimated in September? some 240 mmbbs.
2) Then the Competent Person Rapport estimated in October? 30% down to 170 mmbbs
3) Today Rockflopper estimates down again; 155 mmbbs
4) Rockflopper said in September? that Sealion produced no more than 2.000 barrels of oil per day only because some “guns misfired” and some “waxy wax waxed” the tubes and other “Oily Mambo Jambo”.
They “strongly believed” that the potential was over 4.000 barrels of oil per day.
5) Today Rockflopper says that the new well produced about 2.400 barrels of oil per day.
Well that will get you to work and back wont it ????
Apr 04th, 2011 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A Think, they have also found oil in a place called the Malvinas Islands
Apr 04th, 2011 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British explorer Rockhopper raised its low case estimate of oil reserves at its Sea Lion discovery in the Malvinas Islands, boosting hopes that the remote territory will become a new oil province
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/63499/rockhopper-raises-sea-lion-low-case-estimate
Think, come on man you are brighter than Marcos. You have peddled mid (p50) estimates above (242 & 170 mmbbls) and compared this to a new low (p90) estimate if 155 mmbbls. In othe words low estimate has increased from 58mmbbls to 155 mmbbls flow rate was into a MDT and not through a flaring flow test. You made a bit of a cock up there didn't you!
Apr 04th, 2011 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you think they are flow testing the next well?
I won't wait for you to admit you are wrong as it appears you have the Argentine tratonic not acknowledging when one is incorrect.
Excuse my biiiiiig confusion with all those P90 P50 P10 “ESTIMATES” from Rochflopper but.........
Apr 04th, 2011 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It seems that even you get confused by those “ESTIMATES”...
You write at your post No. 24:
“Look at pg.14 from 2009 with low estimate of only 58 mmbbls. ”
That 58mmbbls “ESTIMATE”.... where does it come from?..... Year 2009?..... Year 2009!!!...... One year before the drilling started?......
Yes, I am confused................
Yes Think, it is an estimate. As more data comes in those estimates become more accurate and eventually become “booked” as reserves.
Apr 04th, 2011 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What we are seeing is drilling data being used to review existing seismic and then will be reworked with new seismic and further drilling. We are moving toward eventual booking. Until then we deal with estimates but ones that become increasingly accurate as time and research is done.
In 2009 it was the case that if oil was found at sealion that a low estimate would yeild 58 mmbbls recoverable. Now after further analysis of existing seismic and drilling data we would appear that this low estimate is revised up to 155 mmbbls.
I am not in any way confused Think. I have interpreted the available information and have come to the conclusion that my investment in RKH was worthwhile.
It is about time you stopped holding onto this wish that sealion would be a failure because it is looking like you might end up with egg on your face.
Sealion is now odds on to be a commercial viable oil find and oil will flow in the falklands. You never know think, when on a future backpacking trip to Mexico your planes, trains and automobiles may be powered by oil products that emerged from the Falkland Islands.
I would be immensely proud that I played a small part by helping to finance the exploration.
Back to the story . . . . . .
Apr 04th, 2011 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Martin Woods says that New York and London have become the world's two biggest laundries of criminal and drug money, and offshore tax havens.”
Does anybody think this article might lose its credibility by declaring that New York and London are 'Offshore'?
Additionally, it's just a guess, but I think that money laundering might take place where there are banks.
“London and New York, two biggest laundries of criminal, drug money and foreign national resources“
Apr 04th, 2011 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Why you should avoid Falkland Islands oil explorers“
”the companies exploring in the Falklands would not meet my investment criteria. In fact, you’d probably be better off with a bet on the greyhounds.
All of this is before considering any ramifications from the fact that the sovereignty of this territory is disputed by Argentina”
By Garry White, 04 Apr 2011 Telegraph
Does anybody think this article might lose its credibility by declaring that New York and London are 'Offshore'?
Apr 04th, 2011 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, but for you now, it don't have any credibility, correct? Because it doesn't fit in your in your big head.
(31) Beef
Apr 05th, 2011 - 04:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
”I have interpreted the available information and have come to the conclusion that my investment in RKH was worthwhile.”
I say:
I have interpreted the available information (from Rockflopper) and have come to the conclusion that there is too much ”semantic trickery” in Rockfloppers so called ”information”.
I do interpret it as lies………. as I have done before with Despair Petroleum so called ”information”.
(32) GeoffWard
Not nice to look directly into the face of the “Mother of all Corruption” and find out it is your very own Mom……………….. huhhhhhh?
Think. You are once again living up to the Argentine trait of suggesting something is a lie if it doesn't fit with your self-centered Argentine view of the world. Perhaps this is what holds Argentina back, already determining the results before the event has concluded and not changing one's perspective when the situation becomes clearer. We where talking about RKH so why raise DES? Trying to compare oil & water or just change the theme?
Apr 05th, 2011 - 06:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos - already dealt with White's article. He is entitled to invest where he sees fit. A risk averse income investor is not going to invest in RKH etc. I, on the other hand have bigger balls than White.
Think #35 “Not nice to look directly into the face of the “Mother of all Corruption” and find out it is your very own Mom”
Apr 05th, 2011 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah, but look in the face of the Latin American drug lord and find out it is your Dad.
Who corrupts who, the Mum or the Dad?
Poor Londonian single Mom………………………………..
Apr 05th, 2011 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Being corrupted by those nasty Latin drug lords.
And those nasty Asian drug lords.
And those nasty Russian arms dealers.
And those nasty European human traffickers.
And those nasty African Dictators.
And those nasty Asian Dictators.
And those nasty Arab Dictators.
@32 I agree that the reason the US and UK are targeted is because of the stable currency. One is hardly going to want to launder money into Zimbawean Dollars.
Apr 05th, 2011 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ GeoffWard
Apr 05th, 2011 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Drug trafficking started with the British do you remember when traffickers supported by the crown illegally introduced Opium into China what ended in 2 wars. The opium wars appointed and sponsored by her majestic fatty Ugly Victoria http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Queen_Victoria_by_Bassano.jpg/210px-Queen_Victoria_by_Bassano.jpg
The Bank HSBC (Hong Kong Shanghai Bank of Commerce) was founded by the crown to be in charged of the laundering of the profits of the drug trafficking.
Hum... Pirates and traffickers Brits seem to know very well the business of this kind.
Now that the Mexican, Colombian and Bolivian have learned how to do it you are surprised and shocked.
Come on Geo Britain is rotten since its foundation.
Let’s put some humor over Brit’s hypocrisy and criminal activities, please.
The founders of the bank “Wachovia” did have a good sense of humor in Spanish would be the pronunciation Guachovia jaja
Well nobody can say that they were not very Guachos haha.
I just wonder why they missed the name Kagovia o Stronzzovia? May be they reserved these names for the next bank?
I would like to found a bank in US with the name Bank of Gido Inc. What do you think?
Viva the corrupts and criminals Brits what make us laugh so much.
Hah hah
Nice one, Elaine
Apr 05th, 2011 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@40. Why has this turned into a pi$$ing contest over who is better than whom? I cannot imagine anyone living in a first world country is surprised to learn that people trading in drugs want to turn their money into hard cash in a stable currency.
Apr 05th, 2011 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Absolutely the British traded opium; it was not an illegal drug then. History is fascinating and complex but one can hardly apply present day morals and knowledge to the past. Opium used to be given to babies to sooth them and used in just about every compound for every illness. It was encouraged as a recreational drug too (just like smoking used to be encouraged by doctors to sooth the nerves). The addictive and destructive nature of the drug was not discovered for many centuries.
@ElaineB
Apr 05th, 2011 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yes was illegal under China law and any Brits introducing the illegal substance was a criminal trafficker.
Britain as had a huge trade deficit with China in 1820/60 and as result of the canton system what restricted the open ports and the import of certain products as opium, etc. The crown (heading at the moment for Victoria) sponsored the illegal trade of opium to China from its colonies as the British East India Company was heavily invested in plantations of Opium. Family business do you know?
As the Chinese where piss off for the catastrophic result of the illegal trade and the growing numbers of addicts, the situation headed to the first war and later to another. How do you think that Honk Kong ended up in your hands?
Since then this part of Asia turn into a win/win business a lot of revenue from opium plus the slavery of Chinese addicts to America. How do you think the railway was built in America?
“can hardly apply present day morals and knowledge to the past...destructive nature of the drug was not discovered for many centuries”
Sure see the pic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Interior_chinese_lodging_house,_san_francisco.JPG
And is exactly what the Colombian, Mexican, Bolivians, Afghani, etc. are going to say in the near future. When they finish to build their financial empire helped by the international bankers in US and UK and they become respectable corporation owners.
It’s not amazing?
I love capitalism for this has more social inclusion than communism.
A little drug dealer in the 3er world considered a crap for the society because his business is just of $5000 can turns into a influent business tycoon with billions of dollars and drink tea with Elizabeth II while talking about how to promoted British moral values around the globe.
Well sorry but I have to expand my business if I want to drink my cup of tea with your Highness before she dies.
Haha You are amazing Brits pure inspiration for a good laugh.
Thanks, I am quite well aware of the history of that period and can happily engage in a robust debate about it; and the actions of the Roman Empire; or Spanish Colonialism. But name-calling and blatant prejudice does not make for an interesting discussion.
Apr 05th, 2011 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is it that makes you so angry about it? Why are you so anti-British?
I am curious. I have never experienced antipathy towards any country or race. Quite the opposite.
Forgive Nicotine,he gets grumpy coming down from his paco high
Apr 05th, 2011 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In a desperate attempt to bring cash into Argentina, the country’s Congress passed a law on December 18, 2008 that provides tax incentives for repatriated undeclared offshore funds. While the country’s basic tax rate on earnings is 35%, the plan offers a 1% rate on money that is repatriated and invested in industry, infrastructure or farming. Funds that are repatriated but invested in other sectors will pay a maximum tax rate of 8%. Argentines have about $140 billion in offshore accounts, so the government is hoping that some of those funds will return, benefiting the economy. But the law also opens a door for money laundering. Faced with increasing economic woes, it is unlikely that the Argentine government will scrutinize the history of incoming investment flows
Argentina’s entry into the drug trade has built up in recent years. Twenty-six tons of ephedrine were imported to Argentina in 2007, compared to only 5 tons in 2006. This 5-fold increase still falls below the legal annual maximum of 37 tons, meaning that there is still more potential for legally supplying the ingredients for ultimately illegal drugs. Recent regulations limit importers to registered pharmaceutical laboratories, but a November case shows the weakness of this strategy.
Last month Argentine police arrested Mario Roberto Segovia in Rosario, accusing him of trafficking 9 tons of ephedrine worth $35 million dollars. Segovia had received permission from the Argentine government to import the ephedrine used to make the drugs and had recently requested permission to legally import 2.5 kilos more.
Thanks, I can see that situation very clearly now.
Apr 05th, 2011 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One can understand why so much of the wealth of Argentina is stored abroad given the last crisis was but ten years ago. On the other hand Argentina desperately needs that money in its' economy and is therefore prepared to make it very attractive to do so. But unregulated?!?
I don't know what I would do in that position. Certainly, I would want my country to grow and prosper out of pride but I would be loathed to trust a government with such a poor reputation for financial acumen.
With regards to drugs, I read about the increase in imports and usage in Argentina but not those details. I am sure you already know that London is the cocaine user capital of Europe but much of it comes from Afghanistan, I believe.
@stick up your junta
Apr 05th, 2011 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you being drinking again or abusing your Methadone free provide by UK govt.? Haha
Go to Brixton and be carefully to don’t be killed with a knife to make your survive about drugs and police corruption. Just in front of the Brixton academy used to be the police station 2 blocks from there you can find the drug dealers offering their stuff. The police turn eyes blind corruption nah! just business as usual.
Who controls the traffic of heroin coming from Turkey and Afghanistan? Oh! Blood the Brits again are involved.
Have you ever thought why Britain in always involved in wars where there is Oil and Drugs? Humanitarian reason?? Haha
You forgot to mention Royal navy personnel using drugs and the amount of drug cargo found on a royal navy ship ready to be introduced into UK.
And you are concern about how much ephedrine Argentina imports?
You make me laugh Sticky you forgot that I have been living in your country and drugs are everywhere.
Typical Brutish hypocrisy with one hand you shoot a Colombian boat with drugs while with the other finance them and traffic drugs from Asia.
High moral and British values Mohammed?.
32 I agree that the reason the US and UK are targeted is because of the stable currency
Apr 06th, 2011 - 02:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0The dollar is a stable currency? Ha, one of the best jokes I've ever read. Good one Elaine.
The 10p cocaine byproduct turning Argentina's slum children into the living dead
Apr 06th, 2011 - 06:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not much money laundering going on at 10p a go,with the Argie drug of choice
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/21/buenos-aires-slum-drugs-paco
@48 Yes, the US dollar is still the international currency and much sought after in SoAm. That is a fact. How long the US dollar will retain that position in the future is the subject of much debate and not a little conjecture.
Apr 06th, 2011 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0From personal experience, when I am in Argentina I am constantly asked to pay in dollars rather than Argentine pesos and offered discounts to do so. I decline but it would indicate a distinct preference there. Just by way of example.
Why do you think the UK and US are targeted for money laundering? It seems obvious to me but maybe you have another idea worth discussing.
The Nigerian 419's sure like the US Dollar
Apr 06th, 2011 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well l see Nicholas is back. where have you been, we missed you.
Apr 06th, 2011 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are correct about the British introducing opium into China.
Also about China's desperate measures to combat it. lts a part of our history that l'm not proud of, however as Elaine says the full dangers were not realised then. lf we could but undo that part of history, but we cannot. All countries have dark periods in their past.
@stick up your junta
Apr 06th, 2011 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Posting same articles again, and again, and again from Brutish press???
Dear Mohammed, I know that it is hard to live in Brutishnistan and that you fill as a lost soul in the middle of all this barbarian society.
I also quite understand your anger and that you fell hopeless about your future.
But Moham it is not our fault? Can you understand that?
Make some retrospection and remember when times seemed to be better what you have been done. Yeah exactly dear Moha when you were spending your time drinking beer in those pubs, inflating your chest with pried while watching your army on sky news how was bombing the Middle East.
Look now where you are, take a look around you please. Ok I understand that you are also so scary now to go outside your cavern. Please allow me to show what its outside...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVjr5awhxdg Oops does seem pretty scary. Doesn’t it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVjr5awhxdg
Can you see Sticky in the problem you are? And you don’t have any friends in the world at the moment even US is turning its back on Britain. And also your banks are doing the same. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVjr5awhxdg
And where are you going to move when Britain turns into a new Cairo?
The French hate you, the German don’t want to see you even in pictures, the Americans cannot even point you in the map...
So Mohammed here we are your nation falling to the 3er world while making new enemies around the globe.
I cannot see a bright future for you in the next 20 years at least, mate.
Sad Moham very sad what are you going to do?
Think about it please...
@ Dear Isolde watch the picture of the opium house in San Francisco yanks and Brits knew the devastating effects they just didn't care as they are not caring about ME bombing now its not your fault I just pointed out Govt. and Sir lords way to treat the rest of the world when doing $$$.
: )
@52 “All countries have dark periods in their past.” Quite so.
Apr 06th, 2011 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is no doubt countries like the UK are rich as a result of actions that would be considered crimes by any modern day standards. IMO. Is reparation possible? It is certainly a complex problem worthy of debate and consideration.
(50) ElianeB
Apr 06th, 2011 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
”Yes, the US dollar is still the international currency……. Why do you think the UK and US are targeted for money laundering? It seems obvious to me but maybe you have another idea worth discussing.”
I say:
Yes I have other ideas… Let’s just select some lines from the article above….shall we?
”Wachovia bank was completely involved in laundering money of the Mexican drug cartels, allegedly with the blessing from the bank’s board.”
“After the Wachovia case, no one in the regulatory community has sat down with me and asked, 'What happened?' or 'What can we do to avoid this happening to other banks?' They are not interested.”
”This is a position the [British] Financial Services Authority at least has adopted on legal advice: It has been advised that the confidentiality of banking and bankers takes primacy over the public information disclosure act.”
“What happened at Wachovia was symptomatic of the failure of the entire regulatory system to apply the kind of proper governance and adequate risk management which would have prevented not just the laundering of blood money, but the global crisis”
So, in my humble opinion the cause is not only the “Stable Currency” but also the ”Friendly Bankers” and “Lenient” Regulatory Systems.
Somebody commented above: ”Money laundering happens everywhere there are Banks….
Not true…….Money laundering is virtually impossible in places like Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Germany, Austria and Holland just to name a few........ It’s just a matter of political will.
Fact, today, is that 97¢ of every corruption Dollar in the world are deposited or laundered through London and New York.
@55 Fair points.
Apr 06th, 2011 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What, the Argies bleating how much food they produce
Apr 06th, 2011 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BUENOS AIRES, Feb. 7 (UPI) -- Argentine officials admitted deaths due to malnutrition among the country's poor of indigenous Latin American people and promised government action to minimize the problem.
Read more: http://www.upi.com/Science_News/Resource-Wars/2011/02/07/Argentina-admits-to-malnutrition-deaths-among-the-poor/UPI-66841297117156/#ixzz1IkYeMNFL
http://www.upi.com/Science_News/Resource-Wars/2011/02/07/Argentina-admits-to-malnutrition-deaths-among-the-poor/UPI-66841297117156/#ixzz1IkYeMNFL
Gov. Jose Manuel Urtubey of the northern province of Salta said in a television interview at least five children, mostly from indigenous communities, died of malnutrition in 2010 and officials recorded another death this year. Urtubey warned more malnutrition cases might be present in isolated indigenous communities
(56) ElaineB
Apr 06th, 2011 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fair points to a fair lady.......
@ElaineB
Apr 06th, 2011 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well dear Elaine you can start stopping killing Afghani to control their territory, gas, and Poppies (heroin fields) and stop bombing Libya to get control of their oil resources.
That will help a lot to reduce the complex problem of future historical reparation.
What do you think?
@stick up your junta
Don’t start again because I will post your rubbish from UK and then you cry like a baby.
Do you remember the poverty in Scotland, Northern England, etc? Be good like Johnny and prepar some food while you can buy it because default its very close for UK.
OT: BTW anyone knows something about captain American Fredmex?
I’m just missing him and his post like...
We American are so cute, superpower and an example for moral values. Hahahahahahahaha
Anyway there is an interesting article on the crappy “The Economist” talking about Mexicans, Hispanics and immigration.
The famous publication (for morons) says that only 64% of America’s population only can be counted as white Americans. Hahahah
I though that a brownie racist like you would be interested. That’s all mate.
Are you learning Mexican Spanish perhaps? hahahaha
Come on don’t be afraid we will not eat you we Argies don’t like Mexican food too hot you know. hahaha
55 - I'd actually agree with a lot of that.
Apr 06th, 2011 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It'll just continue though......you can't touch the bankers....or they'd pack up and leave......or so they keep threatening.....so the economy is destined to continue to rest on the whims of a greedy few.......
@59. What a charming display of good manners.
Apr 06th, 2011 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't have a personal army so am not bombing anyone.
If you are asking me my personal opinion of the presence of troops from the UK being in Afghanistan, then I do not think they should be there. Yes, I have considered the arguments for and against but that is my personal opinion. (I have moments of idealism that quash my usual realism)
And, yes, the UK are one of 35 countries involved in a UN policing operation in Libya. There is no doubt that the more powerful nations are selective in where they exercise their moral muscles and self-interest is evident however it is served up for public consumption. The international community turning a blind-eye to genocide in Rwanda and the failure to take action in Zimbabwe are two examples.
But I also have to consider a world where there is no international policing and how dangerous that might be. If any country could invade another without fear of sanctions from the UN where would the lack of a deterrent lead us?
With power comes responsibility and there are times when the countries with power and capabilities are called upon to step up to the mark..
Not a comment directed at me but you do not rate the Economist? I don't always agree with the content of the articles but it is aimed at the intellectually curious. Readers able to absorb information and draw their own conclusions.
(60) Frase
Apr 06th, 2011 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
It'll just continue though......you can't touch the bankers....or they'd pack up and leave......or so they keep threatening.....so the economy is destined to continue to rest on the whims of a greedy few.......
I say:
That is an old and quite invalid excuse......
If the “First World” could agree on a set of ethical, workable bank rules…. Where would those fine Bankers with their nice Families and expensive Lifestyles move?
To Zimbabwe? I don’t Think so.
To Pakistan? I don’t Think so.
To Traslasierra? I don’t think so.
You get the idea?
I agree with that too.
Apr 06th, 2011 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I said on another thread that I think it is an empty threat, and their collective bluff needs to be called. The so-called 'supertax' on bank bonuses raised around 2 billion for the public coffers, and there was no mass banker exodus.
But any sensible regulation or changes don't seem to be looming on the horizon, so the extortion will continue.
I guess it's politically more desirable to say 'we can't do anything because they'll leave' than 'we can't do anything because they own us'
@63 I agree with your comments.
Apr 06th, 2011 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(63) and (64)
Apr 06th, 2011 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hear, hear
@ElaineB
Apr 06th, 2011 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dear Elane I’ve never made you directly responsible for bombing anything its clear for me that is your govt.
Also Brits always like to lecture others about freedom and democracy and how UK govt. represents the real interest of the people. So that drives me to 2 assumptions, may be I’m wrong perhaps you can tell me if so in such case.
1- The majority of UK voters support UK’s policies.
2- The “democracy” in UK is just a make up and the Sir Lords only represent themselves.
I’m so wrong?
About “But I also have to consider a world where there is no international policing and how dangerous that might be.”
Allow me to disagree with that, I don’t think that “the world” will be more dangerous. First the only one I can see invading others is US, UK, France and puppets that don’t miss any photo opportunity with daddy Uncle Sam to be in. In the case of Libya for example wasn’t any invasion to other nation just and internal problem and fired by Europeans countries like France, UK, Italy, etc that depends on oil imported from this country.
Libya Oil exports 85% of its production to Europe and the rest to US, Australia, etc.
This is setting a dangerous president especially for US and Europe, meanwhile both retain the muscle to “police” fine but in near future others countries with capacity to invade anyone like China and Russia would like to police too.
US and EU are in decline who are going to save them when someone try to invade them when they will not be able to repay their debt?
I don’t and you?
About “the Economist, FT, WSJ and other publications are the influential muscle of bankers like “Rothschild family” JPM, etc. the ones that is sucking UK blood and causing the debt crisis in Europe now.
Do you get the Idea?
Kind regards,
@Think
The families remain in US, France, Netherlands, etc. they just move their headquarters.
Where? To ASIA they are already doing slowly so.
US and UK are trapped with the monsters they helped to create.
: )
Libya for example wasn’t any invasion to other nation just and internal problem and fired by Europeans countries like France, UK, Italy, etc that depends on oil imported from this country
Apr 07th, 2011 - 05:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Remember the Bosnia war of oil Nicotine?
The NATO intervention in Bosnia consisted of a series of actions undertaken by NATO to establish and then preserve peace during and after the Bosnian War. NATO's intervention began as largely political and symbolic, but gradually increased to include large-scale air operations and the deployment of approximately 60,000 soldiers under Operation Joint Endeavor.
(66) NicoDin
Apr 07th, 2011 - 06:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nico…...................... take a deep breath…................... relax................
Remember what the Hon. Emma Edwards always says…… (daddy trained her good):
“The real dangerous Argentineans are the rational ones”
Be rational :-)
Are there any rational ones, Think?
Apr 07th, 2011 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0@66. If we are to exchange ideas on any subject you should be aware that I do not speak collectively for the UK. I just have an opinion and am keen to hear the opinions of others. That is all.
Apr 07th, 2011 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't lecture that 'my country is better than your country' and I don't believe political and economic models can necessarily be transported to other countries and work.
(69) Isolde
Apr 07th, 2011 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Loads..................
Oh! Re reading my own post I can be sure now that my writing is worsening and worsening every new post.
Apr 07th, 2011 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ lsolde
“Are there any rational ones, Think?”
You love you and always you unfortunately you are in the wrong side and you rejected me several times but don’t worry I still love you.
One day I will rescue you from Bennies land just to share a cup of tea with you.
You have to be patient Lady because at the moment I’m short of quids. I’ve made some investment in oil exploration in Malvinas following the expert advice of Dr. Beef and I didn’t see any oil or $$ yet.
Do you think I was so naive?
Chuik ♥♥♥♥
@ ElaineB
For me it’s quite clear Elaine why are you taking it so personal? I’m not blaming you I just talking about politiK, Politician and Sir Lords Mafia. That’s all!
This yes is a personal question addressed to you, please be prepared...
In the case you are force (for any reason) to move to other country which one will you choose to live in and why?
: )
@72. I am not taking it personally I just want you to understand that I cannot speak for 60m people. Heavens, I don't agree with the majority of the opinions of 'middle England', especially when it comes to knocking immigrants. So, ask me for my opinion by all means but don't ask me to speak for my countrymen.
Apr 07th, 2011 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Having cleared that up....
”In the case you are force (for any reason) to move to other country which one will you choose to live in and why? ”
What an interesting question.
The short answer is:
If I had to pack up and move tomorrow it would be to Chile, as long as I could pop over to Argentina for the weekends. (I can hear the Argentines laughing from here).
Why? I have spent my recent working life moving between the two countries and can see the advantages and disadvantages of both. It boils down to Chile having a more stable economy. But the major drawback to the country's slavish devotion to a free market economy is that it lacks a social conscience.
And the women of Chile are so repressed, they need me. : )
Can I throw the question back to you?
(73) ElianeB
Apr 07th, 2011 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say
If I had to pack up and move tomorrow it would be to Chile, as long as I could pop over to Argentina for the weekends. (I can hear the Argentines laughing from here).
I say:
Laughing??? ...... No Señorita!!!..... Good Choice.........
If I was 50 (or 40) years younger …………….. I would invite you to dinner at my favorite Cocineria in Puerto Montt :-)
@74 lol.
Apr 07th, 2011 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I haven't been to Puerto Montt for a good while and I was on my way to Chiloé at the time. I was in the XI region last month.
@ElaineB
Apr 07th, 2011 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Can I throw the question back to you?”
Yes of course lady, well to work and stability I will chose Germany (I like order and efficiency at work).
UK (I mean England) is good for foreigners so probably I will be doing something like you mixing stability and efficiency with fun in UK too much order its not good.
“And the women of Chile are so repressed, they need me. : )”
OH! Nico’s day it’s just what my doctor had recommended to me, I mean a nice cute woman intelligent and willing to enjoying all the pleasure of life.
Do you think you can help me to break down my repressive barriers, I’m so timid I and I need I lot of help.
Beso : )
@74
Apr 08th, 2011 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0You on the pull Think?
;-)
@ 76 & 77 *rolls eyes* Uh, you guys. : )
Apr 08th, 2011 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Germany is a good choice for stability.
“And the women of Chile are so repressed, they need me. : )”
I was thinking more in terms of social repression but whatever..... if they achieve a little parity on any level it is a start. : )
@ElaineB
Apr 08th, 2011 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I was thinking more in terms of social repression but whatever..... if they achieve a little parity on any level it is a start. : ) “
Oh! Will can try that also haha
Te mando un beso y portate bien que mal me porto yo : )
No harm done, it was amusing. : )
Apr 08th, 2011 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(75) ElaineB
Apr 08th, 2011 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0XI Region…….? My hood on the other side of the border….!
However……… I very much prefer its “Pre Pinochet” name: AYSEN.
Have been enjoying your candid and sincere commentaries, in here, about my Countries and Peoples.
I just want to say that IMHO, South American culture and society are every inch as intricate and dense as any other civilization in the world. Or even more so ………………. It can take a lifetime just to scratch the surface.
However all too many “Educated” foreigners tend to underestimate, diminish and misread us all too swiftly.
Like the great Charles Darwin that, when confronted with the stoicistic survival strategy of the South-American indigenous peoples,……….. hastily concluded they where half-wits.
Don’t make the same mistake……………Enjoy the South…………..
Yours
El Think
@81 “Have been enjoying your candid and sincere commentaries, in here, about my Countries and Peoples.”
Apr 08th, 2011 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have been trying very hard not to appear as if I know or understand fully the diverse cultures and people of South America. If I have offended, I apologise unreservedly.
I do offer my opinions based on my experiences and the stories I gather on my travels - I don't travel as a tourist and spend all my time with the natives. And I welcome any challenges to my assertions.
You are right that it will take a long time before I fully understand the people of the countries I have grown to adore. Which is just great because it means I can extend my work over a much longer period. : )
(82) ElianeB
Apr 08th, 2011 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Absolutely no apologies needed…………..
My comment was intended as a very gentle word of advice.
I just detest to see bright logical young minds getting twisted out of course and following the superficial wasteland path of ethnocentric/class self-indulgence.
It happens all too often……………………………….
Think 83: “ . . . .the superficial wasteland path of ethnocentric/class self-indulgence.”
Apr 08th, 2011 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As my wife would say . . . “Does it bite?”
(84)
Apr 08th, 2011 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does it bite?
I don't know but.......
You took the bait!
who would've thought....
Apr 08th, 2011 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrDu57wpz9E
Nico's channel radio
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4hPnZUMBwA
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Joy Division
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Cleaner from Venus
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Trance, Vocal Trance, progressive Live Sets ASOT BA/2011
Armin Van Buuren
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Stay tuned coming soon AZOTE F@klands Featuring Briton, Zethee, Teaboy2, Sticky, Westisbest, GeoffWard, and more.
: )
@83 I have listened to your kind advice and welcome reasoned discourse. I am not that young or easily influenced but I like to listen to all opinions.
Apr 09th, 2011 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0TBH looking at the childish willy-waving and highly offensive remarks posted on this message board, I think you will find my comments innocuous by comparison. : ) It is a real eye-opener to see such overt rage and racism so readily displayed here. It is not attractive at all.
Think 85'
Apr 09th, 2011 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0the phrase means 'you are talking gibberish, re-phrase in order that we might comprehend your meaning'
I agree.....
Apr 09th, 2011 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Forget the “Turnips”
Concentrate in the “Tulips”
:-)))
A tulip comes your way.
Apr 09th, 2011 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(89) GeoffWard
Apr 09th, 2011 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You mean?.........: ”The Superficial Wasteland Path of Ethnocentric/Class Self-indulgence.”..........Gibberish?...... No way...…!
I did mint it with someone like you in mind.
Your subconscient has certainly comprehended it.
Just ask yourself Geoff…: What do I “Think” it means?
Ps:
Post 90 was a response to Post 88/ElaineB
No Tulips for you you, Geoff….
Think,
Apr 09th, 2011 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0classic socialist polemic tract, I am sure you agree;
though the way you put the words together is like throwing words up in the air and accepting the way they fall!
With respect to politics, we are used to people differing from us - we encompass a Trotskyist family (grandfather and sister, her children, plus her partners family ) and our relative is Scottish representative of Charter88, now called Unlock Democracy - and 'son of the British Communist Party'.
So I am well used to the words you 'mint', and their origins.
(93) Geoff
Apr 09th, 2011 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
“The way you put the words together is like throwing words up in the air and accepting the way they fall!”
I say:
Juppppp……………….. Sometimes I like the way words ”fall”……………………..
You say:
”We encompass a Trotskyist family (grandfather and sister, her children, plus her partners family ) and our relative is Scottish representative of Charter 88, now called Unlock Democracy - and 'son of the British Communist Party.”
With such a pedigree and constructive environment around you………. How did you end being such an insufferable old douche?
;-)))
I guess some of us have seen more of the world than others and evolve our understandings as the world changes .
Apr 09th, 2011 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0. . . but I do thank you for your parting comment - you made my wife lol and set us up for A Good Day.
@ 95 “you made my wife lol” You mean, he ****** your wife? In her ****? And you're happy that other men **** your wife? you're weird GeoffWard, but if that makes you happy. I too met a guy who was happy watching when his girlfriend and me were having fun together, just like you watching your wife having fun, but he gave me some money, she was ugly but money counts :)
Apr 09th, 2011 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#96
Apr 09th, 2011 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Crude and unfunny.
but he gave me some money
Apr 10th, 2011 - 06:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0is the only part of the storyI Believe rent boy
Dedicated to (97) and (98)
Apr 10th, 2011 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu16eUQwCWU
@99thats not funny, Think, its silly.
Apr 10th, 2011 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0@96xbox, you are a peanut brain, boy.
(100) Isolde
Apr 10th, 2011 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Woman...................(Its a “South Park” pun about xbarilox, you prob wouldn't understand & l couldn't be bothered to explain it ;~)
@101Think, imitation is the highest form of flattery Cher Think. they were my comments, get your own(IF you can!).
Apr 10th, 2011 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have been recycling your comments all day lon, Cher Isolde......
Apr 10th, 2011 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's what we Men have secretaries for :-)
Think #103
Apr 10th, 2011 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most of our secretaries disappeared when computers came along, and then, over the next few years, more and more of the disappeared secretaries came back as managers.
Some of the men found it hard to come to terms with the new order of things and many found their skills unable to keep up with their new managers.
For these men, basic skills training and self-esteem training became essential.
It took a good fifteen years for the new order - which included flexible day working - to fully bed down.
“Most of our secretaries disappeared when computers came along”.
Apr 10th, 2011 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is that so?
Damn Computers!
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