Monday, October 24th 2011 - 06:50 UTC

Argentine patrols harass Falklands’ licensed jiggers outside the port of Montevideo

Spanish jiggers operating in the South Atlantic with Falkland Islands licences complain they are been harassed by the Argentine Navy just a few miles away from the port of Montevideo where they call for discharging, maintenance and bunkering.

Even avoiding Argentine waters vessels are subject to Decree 256/2010

According to La Voz de Galicia, since Buenos Aires made it mandatory a couple of years ago that all vessels steaming along Argentine waters to or from the Falklands must request a special authorization, jiggers flying Spanish or Falklands flags have avoided such waters even if it means an extra day steaming.

But now the Argentine navy is demanding that special permit from all vessels sailing along the Uruguayan-Argentine shared River Plate waters zone en route to Montevideo.

“The patrols besides asking for data on the vessel, owners, as well as the name and passport number of the captain and checking to see if we sailed in Malvinas’ waters, they inform us that they have opened a file and we will liable to fines under Decree 256/2010 which refers precisely to the request of a special authorization”, according to several jiggers who met with this surprise.

Although so far there have been no sanctions or fines, the jiggers’ captains have complained to their association Aetinape in Galicia requesting they contact Argentine authorities and insist that their navy does not interfere with the innocent passage of vessels.

Apparently Aetinape has appealed to the Spanish government, the European Commission and even contacted the Argentine embassy.

“We consider we have committed no crime since we are authorized by our government and the government from the Falklands to navigate, catch and operate on board, based on licences awarded by our government and the government of the Falklands, and we are being treated as delinquents by Argentina, constantly under fear of being arrested by their patrols even when we are operating in international waters”.

“The only government that has tried to find a solution to the situation is the Uruguayan government which has proposed we sail along the exclusive seven miles along the canal of access, according to one of the captains that faced the Argentine “sweeping operation”.

But the proposal is not really valid since it generates a safety problem: “it’s too risky because there is not sufficient draft for the larger fishing vessels”, said one of the captains.

But besides why should I be exposed to such a risk and why shouldn’t I exercise the right to innocent passage, something which someone should make to be respected and re-establish”.
 

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1 O gara (#) Oct 24th, 2011 - 07:11 am Report abuse
As Argentina finally invests in improveing its navy more of these Galician thieves need to be fined.They have already decimated European fish stocks and with the negligence of the English are doing the same in the South Atlantic
2 J.A. Roberts (#) Oct 24th, 2011 - 07:43 am Report abuse
Galician thieves... funny that. Wasn't Argentina first settled by Galician thieves?
3 fantazum2011 (#) Oct 24th, 2011 - 08:03 am
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4 lsolde (#) Oct 24th, 2011 - 09:15 am Report abuse
@3fantasy,
lf we're as bad as you say we are, fantasy, are you not worried that we might come after you? ha ha!
l find it breathtaking that you call us hypocrites when you would have to be the most hypocritical people that l have ever met.
5 Zool (#) Oct 24th, 2011 - 09:37 am Report abuse
How Ironic that Argentina calls the British pirates yet it is the one in the 21st Centry caught in the act.

Interfering with a ship in international waters is considered an act of piracy.

The acts of piracy, as defined in article 101, committed by a warship, government ship or government aircraft .

Piracy consists of any of the following acts:

(a) any illegal acts of violence or detention, or any act of depredation, committed for private ends by the crew or the passengers of a private ship or a private aircraft, and directed:

(i) on the high seas, against another ship or aircraft, or against persons or property on board such ship or aircraft;

(ii) against a ship, aircraft, persons or property in a place outside the jurisdiction of any State;

(b) any act of voluntary participation in the operation of a ship or of an aircraft with knowledge of facts making it a pirate ship or aircraft;

(c) any act of inciting or of intentionally facilitating an act described in subparagraph (a) or (b).

The high seas are open to all States, whether coastal or land-locked. Freedom of the high seas is exercised under the conditions laid down by this Convention and by other rules of international law. It comprises, inter alia, both for coastal and land-locked States:

(a) freedom of navigation;

(b) freedom of overflight;

(c) freedom to lay submarine cables and pipelines, subject to Part VI;

(d) freedom to construct artificial islands and other installations permitted under international law, subject to Part VI;

(e) freedom of fishing, subject to the conditions laid down in section 2;
Article89

Invalidity of claims of sovereignty over the high seas

No State may validly purport to subject any part of the high seas to its sovereignty.
6 stillakelper (#) Oct 24th, 2011 - 10:40 am Report abuse
Freedom of innocent passage is a long established UN principle. But Argentina only exhorts UN principles when it is convenient and not as a comprehensive set of moral codes. If you don't accept the law of the sea you can forget harking back to GA and C24 resolutions.
7 Rosarino (#) Oct 24th, 2011 - 11:15 am
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8 Malvinero1 (#) Oct 24th, 2011 - 11:31 am Report abuse
May be the great uk should invade Argentina......
9 Anti-Fascist (#) Oct 24th, 2011 - 11:36 am Report abuse
fantazum

What have we here? A Spanish colonial patriot?

Correction - British, not English.

You forgot Spain's Empire, how much land did they steel? Or do they count? Maybe they were all angles, they loved the Amerindians!

” - you actually exterminated the entire population
What a load of CRAP! Smallpox blankets? Who do you think handed these out? How do you infect blankets? How do you handle blankets without becoming infected and spreading it to? Smallpox spread because of the Amerindians lack of immunity. The same way all disease spreads. The blanket theory has no basis in FACT anyone can be creative with history, it takes intelligence to research it!

Only fascist racists believe any one people have a monopoly on wrong! No marks for guess what you are!

The European colonial powers committed a lot of crimes and wrongs, not just to foreign peoples but their own. As did the Medieval powers, the Ancient Empires, the Asiatics, the Mayans, the Imperial Chinese, the Imperial Japanese, the Mughal Empire in India, various African and Amerindian tribes dominated each other. The new 20C powers Germany, Italy, Japan and the Soviet Union (Russia) demonstrated amazing evils during the period 1920-1945.

The first concentration camps were set up by the Spanish in Cuba, followed by the American's in the Philippines, the German's in South West Africa (Namibia) in their eradication of the Herero people and the British in South Africa in a desperate attempt to control Boar guerrilla raids in the occupation period of the Boar war.

If you think the imperial age is gone think again... look around you Argentina is an Empire 28x the size of England conquered by ethnically cleansing the Amerindians from most of their land, now claiming the rest of the Southern Cone! Fasci

You English are such hypocrits you are actually funny - but then the civilised progressive world does consider you a joke you drunk, ill educated trash. You can hardly speak your own language lol.”
10 fantazum2011 (#) Oct 24th, 2011 - 11:45 am Report abuse
@ 9 Anti-Fascist (#)
So you attempt to justify British imperialism and its's global atrocities through precedent whilst at the same time condemning Spain's ?
Typical British Hypocrisy lol.

@ 5 Zool (#)
You British had no problem violating Iceland's exclusive territorial economic zone in the 1970's did you?
In fact you sent warships to attack the Icelandic coast guard and fishing vessels all because Iceland wanted to preserve its fish stocks from British pirates.
Same old hypocrisy from the British.
11 anti-fascist2 (#) Oct 24th, 2011 - 11:47 am Report abuse
fantazum

Your name is the same name we give to farts, so a very appropriate handle for you.

I suggest you go back to throwing your children out the backs of aircraft and following CIA orders so American super corporates can dominate Latin America. They figured out you can be a uniform on a monkey in Latin America and you'll still salute it.

Until you figure out the connection between fascism and corporate greed you going to continue to suck Corporate cock. Enjoy!
12 J.A. Roberts (#) Oct 24th, 2011 - 12:06 pm Report abuse
You made me laugh my head off Fantazum.

“the English stole North America” (only after your Spanish ancestors tried first. Do you think Ponce de Leon was just passing through Florida for fun? What about Tejas, Mexico, California?), Canada (Canada is in North America, no need for repetition), Australia, New Zealand (I guess your Spanish ancestors stealing most of South America doesn't count then?), half of Africa (I think you're being a bit generous there, and are you saying your Spanish ancestors had no colonies in Africa?) part of Central America (what, the tiny bit not taken by your Spanish ancestors?) - you actually exterminated the entire population of Tasmania (you didn't do too badly in Patagonia and TDF), tried to do the same in New Zealand and actually offered prizes to settlers in Australia for the most Aboriginals murdered (the Argie government offered the same thing in Patagonia and TDF) and then you tried to infect the North American Indians with Smallpox to get rid of them (actually smallpox was first taken to the new world by your Spanish ancestors, first recorded in Hispaniola in the early 1500s, followed shortly in Mexico - get your facts right!).

You English are such hypocrits (speak for yourselves, and it's spelled “hypocrites” BTW) you are actually funny (amusingly for us, you are not very funny and we like to laugh AT you) - but then the civilised progressive world does consider you a joke you drunk, ill educated trash (Most hispanic countries are a joke, even Spain is a joke - I live there, so I should know; Galtieri was drunk most of the time, oh and considering the paucity of Spanish-language universities in the QS world rankings I doubt you even know what education is - even if you went to the best Spanish-language university in the world).

You can hardly speak your own language lol (from a self appointed expert, I don't think you would know the difference).
13 Zool (#) Oct 24th, 2011 - 12:08 pm Report abuse
No need to invade Malvinero1, Our warships/planes are quite capable of bringing your country to its knees without ever setting foot on Argentinian soil which is why your patrol ships don't dare stop a British ship but instead goes for foreign fishing vessels. Sooner or later one of your patrol vessels is going to cause an international incident when its trys to stop one of these ships who are all fishing in international waters.

2004 - A Taiwanese Kaohsiung fishing vessel was hit by a missile fired by an Argentine warship and sank.

2002 - Argentinean frontier guard vessel “Thomson” approached the trawler and demanded an inspection, suspecting the Russian vessel in squid fishing in the 200-mile economic zone. The Russian Embassy sent a note of protest to the Argentinean Foreign Ministry, concerning the Frontier Guard vessel against opening fire without a warning of the peaceful ship.
14 Redhoyt (#) Oct 24th, 2011 - 02:27 pm Report abuse
Argentina v Spain ... that's almost blue on blue isn't it ?

I can tell you one thing ... it ain't easy to curtail the Spanish fishing fleet !

Anyway, I thought Argentina said there weren't any fish left ?
15 Argie (#) Oct 24th, 2011 - 03:57 pm Report abuse
5 Zool. Oh, come off it! It was an ACT OF PIRACY PERFORMED BY THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IN 1832 (USN Capt. Silas Duncan commanding 'USN Lexington' frigate) that left the F-M islands ready for the English to occupy soon after. Anyways, all these are fishy issues that will never come to an end...
16 briton (#) Oct 24th, 2011 - 04:01 pm Report abuse
If im correct, under these same act’s
The ships have a right to ask for protection from the following
EUROPEAN NATIONS
UN, the Spanish government, And The British government,
And should receive protection,
Its just a matter of enforcing it,
It would be very interesting to see Spanish navy ships, confronting argentine navy ships,
And it could very well happen, if anyone can be bothered to call for international assistance,
And what a humiliating climbed own the Argies would have to do,
Will it happen, ??? who knows .
,
17 wesley mouch (#) Oct 24th, 2011 - 04:16 pm Report abuse
The Peronists are the Sopranos of Argentina. Everything that is not nailed down will be stolen. They will be greatly emboldened by the re-election of botox lips CFK. Watch out
18 Zool (#) Oct 24th, 2011 - 04:30 pm Report abuse
Argie, God knows what you get taught in school but Vernet was a pirate who used the islands as a base to attack foreign ships. In 1831, Vernet captured the American ships Harriet, Superior and Breakwater. As a reprisal, the United States sent Captain Silas Duncan of the USS Lexington to recover the confiscated property. After finding what he considered proof that at least four American fishing ships had been captured, plundered, and even outfitted for war, Duncan took seven prisoners aboard the Lexington and charged them with piracy.
19 Beef (#) Oct 24th, 2011 - 05:38 pm Report abuse
Ohhh they take your passport number, ship details and say you may have to pay a fine (an unforceble one). Wow I bet that has got those doing business with the FI filling their underpants with cake.

I suppose the next threat will be to send a letter to the captain's mother to tell her that her son has been a very naughty boy.

Grow a spine Argies and actually do something for once in your countries existence.

Thanks to Spain and Uruguay for being fellow partners in FI business.
20 Think (#) Oct 24th, 2011 - 05:43 pm Report abuse
TWIMC
Funny to read all those Brutish turnips writing about “International Waters”, “Innocent Passage” and other “International stuff”….
Without noticing that those events are taking place in the waters of the Rio de la Plata.
Just for your info, dear Turnips…….
The Rio de la Plata waters are NOT international waters.
Do you homework….
www.dipublico.com.ar/instrumentos/25.html
21 Anti-Fascist (#) Oct 24th, 2011 - 06:17 pm Report abuse
10 fantazum2011

You are a racist fascist piece of garbage.

I was not defending anyones Imperialism, that of your country or that of mine. I was addressing your ignorant racist remarks, lies and invented history.

Britain did many bad things and many good things, in that we are far from alone. But to accuse us of things invented by people with an axe to grind is wrong. Anyone can invent history, it takes intelligence to research it.

Intelligence you Argentine fascists don't have. The CIA worked out long ago, that they can give you a MONKEY, dressed in a uniform of a General and you will salute it, even while it orchestrates throwing your children out of the backs of planes.

That's right Argentines complain about the British. It is the American's and your own peronist, military and financial elites who are laughing.

Most of you haven't got a clue about history. If was Britain and British people who helped free most of South America. But as you prefer to sleep with the CIA fine...

What is the USA's role in Latin America? Wars, invasions, coups, ethnic cleansing.

Compare that to the British -

www.fco.gov.uk/en/news/latest-news/?view=Speech&id=23536682
Britain came to be more closely associated with the independence movements than any other world power. London was a centre of activity for its leaders and supporters. Simon Bolivar travelled to and from London on a Royal Navy warship. Members of the British Legion fought and died in decisive battles, when bloodied and weary, they were thanked by Bolivar as “the saviours” of his country. We were the first country in Europe to recognise Mexico and played a key role in the establishment of an independent Uruguay. It was Britain that negotiated the terms of the independence of Brazil from Portugal. And our politics and literature were the source of ideas that helped shape Latin America after independence, while also having a personal impact on individuals. In 1822, while the military struggle was stil
22 stillakelper (#) Oct 24th, 2011 - 06:35 pm Report abuse
@20

The right of innocent passage also includes all territorial waters outside 3 miles. You probably knew that but it is another inconvenient truth.
23 briton (#) Oct 24th, 2011 - 06:49 pm Report abuse
the truth never did get in the way
or an argie telling his side of the story.
24 Think (#) Oct 24th, 2011 - 07:13 pm Report abuse
(22) Stillakelper

Not in a river Stillakelper, not in a river.......
Do you homework bennie........
25 zethe (#) Oct 24th, 2011 - 07:35 pm Report abuse
In International Law, international waterways are straits, canals, and rivers that connect two areas of the high seas or enable ocean shipping to reach interior ports on international seas, gulfs, or lakes that otherwise would be land-locked. International waterways also may be rivers that serve as international boundaries or traverse successively two or more states. Ships have a right of passage through international waterways. This right is based on customary international law and treaty arrangements.
26 stick up your junta (#) Oct 24th, 2011 - 07:43 pm Report abuse
The Rio de la Plata waters are NOT international waters.
Do you homework….

Sure does get confusing, seeing Isla Martín García being an Argentine island in Uruguays water's
27 Kiwisarg (#) Oct 24th, 2011 - 08:23 pm Report abuse
26 stick up your junta
It is correct !!The Rio de la Plata waters are NOT international waters.. Emma, sorry, Insolde, good luck in uk!!
28 Think (#) Oct 24th, 2011 - 08:24 pm Report abuse
(25) Zzzzzzzzethe
Correct.....:
”This right is based on customary international law and treaty arrangements.”
And the treaty regulating the Rio de la Plata is this one:
www.dipublico.com.ar/instrumentos/25.html

Do you homework ……..Turnip.
29 stick up your junta (#) Oct 24th, 2011 - 08:42 pm Report abuse
Kiwi my old Fruit
Why does Argentina have a Island in Uruguay's water's?
30 Beef (#) Oct 24th, 2011 - 09:27 pm Report abuse
Watch out ships. The Argies may not do anything worthy of note (as they are aware that there is nothing they can actually do) but they may decide to board your ships and take a dump in your post room!

How disconcerting?
31 Marcos Alejandro (#) Oct 24th, 2011 - 11:20 pm Report abuse
30 Beef

British law(Scotland)
“If someone knocks on your door and requires the use of your commode, you must let them enter”

Beef we don't have that law in our country so when we have to go we go.
On top of that is very easy to confuse your head with a toilet, so you better watch out.
32 Redhoyt (#) Oct 24th, 2011 - 11:24 pm Report abuse
A blockade of the Rio Plata - hasn't that been tried before?

Didn't that end up in a Treaty thet resolved ALL differences?

falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/1833-1849/
33 xbarilox (#) Oct 24th, 2011 - 11:44 pm Report abuse
“On top of that is very easy to confuse your head with a toilet, so you better watch out.” that S.O.B at #31 said something funny hahaha
34 Forgetit87 (#) Oct 25th, 2011 - 03:29 am Report abuse
“It was Britain that negotiated the terms of the independence of Brazil from Portugal.”

Britain's role in negotiating in Brazil's independence is limited to convincing Portugal to exchange recognition of our independence with a certain amount of gold. As the Portuguese crown was indebted with Britain, the gold would wound up in British coffers. Quit saying the British empire was such a force for the people's good. If it was, it wouldn't have maintained all those colonies in Africa and Asia well into the XX century.
35 Think (#) Oct 25th, 2011 - 04:09 am Report abuse
(32 )Hoyt

Yupppppppppppppppppppppppp...................

After their third consecutive, dishonorable and costly defeat against Argentina in less than half a century, Great Britain, under threats of ““throwing the book at us” coerced our newborn, frail but proud Nation into a “Treaty”.
A “Treaty” that will be officially repudiated by Argentina…………................ (When we get the time for it :-)
36 Marcos Alejandro (#) Oct 25th, 2011 - 04:47 am Report abuse
32 Redhoyt
The truth may be out there, but the lies are inside your head.
Terry Pratchett
37 Britishbulldog (#) Oct 25th, 2011 - 08:25 am Report abuse
We now need to sink the few Argentina Pirate boats pirating in the waters. NO IFS NO BUTS JUST SINK THEM AND HAVE DONE WITH IT. Argentina is nothing more than a pirate nation A pariah in the South Atalantic and as such should be brought to book the soon the better.
38 lsolde (#) Oct 25th, 2011 - 09:38 am Report abuse
Mmmmmmmmm, things are warming up.
So, Think, you are going to back out of ANOTHER treaty?
Guess l would expect that.
39 zethe (#) Oct 25th, 2011 - 02:07 pm Report abuse
Would it matter if/when they do Isodle? Not as if they honor them anyway.
40 Anti-Fascist (#) Oct 25th, 2011 - 02:55 pm Report abuse
Forgetit87

Britain's role in the independence of Latin American states stands out there, whether you are prepared to recognise it or not, usually depends on your preconceived notions of Britain and our history and your own biases.

The British Empire lasted into the 20C, like all other European Empires, some of which last into the 21C as in the case of France that retains a significant portion of its former Empire in various forms and polices and garrisons much of its former Empire.

America of course is the new Imperial power, they manage an Empire via stealth, you Latin America seem oblivious to its forces of influence in your countries - most of them in your governments.

Again I'd be the first to admit Britain has done wrong but it all did a lot of good. If this was not the case most of our former Empire would not now be memembers of the British Commonwealth with the Queen at its head, most retain the Queen as their head of state. In the case of British North America the Brit haters continue to pump out invented history about Smallpox blankets, etc. The reality is, it is an excepted fact that British North America provided sanctuary to the Plains Indians when the US was waging war on them, most of them stayed in British North America, under the policy adopted by the British government to offer them protection. Part of the policy was predicated on the idea that loyal Amerindian's populating much of the wild Canada would provide a bulwark against US invasion. It was the House of Lord, that Canadians consistently came to in order to get protection from continued land grabs by the Canadian government up until 1980, when the Canadians established their own supreme court.

One of the first history lessons British children get is about the Roman Empire and all the good things it brought to Britain, prior to it we were living in the dark ages, waring tribes, no mo. The choice of being an Empire or not an Empire in the age of Empires was one of rule or be ruled.
41 JustinKuntz (#) Oct 25th, 2011 - 09:00 pm Report abuse
Wasn't it a squaddie that burnt the original hospital so he could play the hero?

As usual El Thicko talks from his arse.

All mouth no trousers. TM
42 I (#) Oct 26th, 2011 - 04:57 am Report abuse
if your neighbour grandfather killed your grandparents and took your land and the family never returned or made amends for the murder and theft will you ever trust his grandson ??? it surprises me that some some Argentine vet has never sunk one of this pirats, spain nor can fakland can give you rights on Argentine land or ocean. if they can maybe I can move to england and set up a tent in the queens garden as Gaddafi did.
43 lsolde (#) Oct 26th, 2011 - 08:01 am Report abuse
Go ahead, I. l'm sure her majesty would be overjoyed to have you as a neighbour.
44 dab14763 (#) Oct 26th, 2011 - 11:31 pm Report abuse
Great Britain, under threats of ““throwing the book at us” coerced our newborn, frail but proud Nation into a “Treaty”.
A “Treaty” that will be officially repudiated by Argentina…………................ (When we get the time for it :-)

Right Think, very funny. Britain coerced Argentina into getting Britain to concede everything Argentina asked for.

Summary of the articles of the treaty
1 Britain evacuates Martin García, returns Argentine war vessels, 21 gun salute to the flag of the Argentine Confederation (Argentina wanted this)

2 Both return seized merchant vessels and cargos

3 Argentina stays in Uruguay, where Argentina had intervened in support of one the sides in the Uruguayan civil war, till France evacuates Argentine & Uruguayan territory and signs a treaty like this one (Argentina wanted this)

4 Britain recognises Paraná River as inland navigation of Argentina, Uruguay River as inland navigation of Uruguay and Argentina (Argentina wanted this)

5 Britain recognises that if Britain has a right to intervene in the situation between Argentina and Uruguay, then Argentina would have a right to intervene if a similar situation happens between Britain and France (Argentina wanted this)

6 Treaty subject to the agreement of Argentina's ally, Manuel Oribe, president of Uruguay - this means that Britain recognises Oribe as president of Uruguay, something Argentina wants and Britain at first is reluctant to do as it has previously recognised Fructuoso Rivera as President of Uruguay
45 malen (#) Oct 27th, 2011 - 10:34 am
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46 briton (#) Oct 27th, 2011 - 08:58 pm Report abuse
sure I heard that Spanish ships may go to River Plate waters /
Might have misheard it ?
47 anti-fascist2 (#) Oct 27th, 2011 - 09:08 pm Report abuse
Maybe the RN should mine the entrance.
48 SamSalzman (#) Oct 28th, 2011 - 06:55 pm Report abuse
#10 Fantasy
“In fact you sent warships to attack the Icelandic coast guard and fishing vessels all because Iceland wanted to preserve its fish stocks from British pirates.”

The RN sent ships to protect its fishing fleet as it had been harassed by the Icelandic Navy. Standard response.
49 UKOwnsArgentina (#) Oct 29th, 2011 - 09:07 pm Report abuse
On the basis of the British invasion of Río de la Plata I have been able to establish that Argentina is in fact owned by Great Britain.

I have been tabling a series of motions at the UN in order to officially establish this claim to Argentina. There is historical president for this, on the basis of an almost 200 year invasion of the Falkland Islands by a German and some British ex patriots, Argentina claims the Falkland Islands.

I can establish as historical fact that Río de la Plata was invaded by Britain and that this claim was never renounced, there is over 200 years of continued British claim to Argentina.

This makes all Argentines suject to British law and taxation. I am planning to get Buenos Aires renamed Port of Britain. Argentina will be called Bairdland, after the leader of British forces in the first occupation of Río de la Plata.

It is important to state that this did not happen just once - as in the Argentine claim to the Falklands..... but twice!

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