Saturday, October 29th 2011 - 03:51 UTC

Falkland/Malvinas continues as “a colonial dagger in America” Timerman tells his peers

Malvinas continues as “a colonial dagger in America” said Argentine Foreign Affaire minister Hector Timerman during an Ibero-Latin American ministerial meeting in Paraguay ahead of the full summit on Saturday.

The Argentine minister addressing the summit in Paraguay

At the end of the Foreign Affairs ministers meeting Friday, in Asuncion, Timerman thanked his peers for their support to Argentina’s sovereignty claims over the Falklands/Malvinas Islands and emphasized that the situation continues to be a colonial dagger in America”.

“Argentina is a peaceful country and has no conflicts with nobody, except the UK” which refuses to begin negotiations on the Malvinas Islands sovereignty said Timerman who recalled the ten UN resolutions calling for a bilateral dialogue.

That is why Argentina “is not free of the colonial yoke but will not cease in attempting to achieve it”.

The Ibero-American ministerial meeting agreed to include a statement on Argentina’s Malvinas claim in the final declaration that will have the signature from the presidents of the regional block that includes Latin America, Spain, Portugal and Andorra.

“The support is very much valued and appreciated by the Argentine people. And it’s not a stubborn Argentina position, rather we are talking of natural resources that are being exploited in Argentine territory. The sequence of events and the greed and abuse of the colonial power should be an instruction history book for our future generations”, emphasized Timerman.

The ministerial meeting addressed a long agenda mainly initiatives referred to development with equality, defence of migrants and the right to peace, which were the motives chosen by the host Paraguay for the summit. Other issues included cooperation programs and agreements on industrial patents.

The plenary session of the summit with heads of government and state will take place Saturday at the emblematic building of the South American Football Confederation in Asunción.

In spite of the significance of the event which also includes the King of Spain, several regional leaders won’t be present among them the presidents from Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay and Venezuela.

Cristina Fernandez is secluded in Rio Gallegos where this week she opened a mausoleum to the memory of her late husband Nestor Kirchner. Brazil’s Dilma Rousseff is preparing for the coming G20 summit in France; Uruguay’s Jose Mujica has plans to visit farming areas and is just back from a ten-day tour of European countries and Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez is under chemotherapy treatment.
 

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1 Beef (#) Oct 29th, 2011 - 06:33 am Report abuse
Sure, let's all sign some meaningless agreement that ask two sides to do some talking. Then we can get back on with important issues.
2 Room101 (#) Oct 29th, 2011 - 07:57 am Report abuse
To keep knocking on UK doors and windows seems to be a good strategy, but the neighbours will eventually start to complain about the noise and ask the miscreant to go.
3 ExPat 1987 (#) Oct 29th, 2011 - 09:39 am Report abuse
Union Jack Flying in the Falkland Islands.....enough said.fk
4 Kelper San (#) Oct 29th, 2011 - 09:41 am Report abuse
this man reminds me of some who also had delusion's, now who was that? Don Quixote, or is it Orville the Duck who all ways had someone's hand up his ass making him talk?
5 JustinKuntz (#) Oct 29th, 2011 - 09:48 am Report abuse
When did Harry Potter become the Argentine foreign minister?
6 Beef (#) Oct 29th, 2011 - 12:10 pm Report abuse
Just continuing to ignore Argentina is the best strategy. They have no stamina and counldn't organize a piss up in a brewery.
7 Viscount Falkland (#) Oct 29th, 2011 - 01:25 pm Report abuse
The only problem we have with Colonial Yokes is the one Argentina is trying to put around our necks !
8 GeoffWard2 (#) Oct 29th, 2011 - 02:07 pm Report abuse
Some OTHER “daggers in the Americas” that Sr. Timerman might not be fully aware of:

Nationally disputed lands and territories in the Americas & the associated Arctic/Antarctic longitudinal sector (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_disputes):

Machias Seal Island,
North Rock,
Strait of Juan de Fuca,
Dixon Entrance,
Portland Canal,
Beaufort Sea,
Northwest Passage and some other Arctic waters,

Isla Aves,
Southern half of Belize,
Bajo Nuevo Bank,
Calero Island,
Conejo Island,
Navassa Island,
San Andrés and Providencia,
Sapodilla Cay,
Serranilla Bank,

Amazon rainforest frontier,
Ankoko Island/Isla de Anacoco,
Arroyo de la Invernada or Rincón de Artigas and Vila Albornoz,
French Guiana west of the Marouini River,
Guaíra Falls/Sete Quedas,
Guyana east of the Upper Courantyne River,
Guyana west of the Essequibo River (Guayana Esequiba),
Ilha Brasileira,
Isla Suárez/Ilha de Guajará-mirim,
Los Monjes Archipelago,
Pacific Ocean Sea border (Chile/Peru),
Southern Patagonian Ice Field between Monte Fitz Roy and Cerro Daudet,
Isla Martín García,

Antarctica (special rules apply),
Falkland Islands,
South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands.

Our job is to help people like Sr. Timerman see the larger picture; he is sometimes so fixated that he 'cannot see the wood for the trees'.
9 Think (#) Oct 29th, 2011 - 02:26 pm Report abuse
Read the title of the article:
”Falkland/Malvinas continues as “a colonial dagger in America” ”

The only C O L O N I A L daggers in your loooong list are ….:

1) Falkland Islands,
2) South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands.
3) French Guiana west of the Marouini River.

All the others are disputes between Independent American Countries.
10 Kelper San (#) Oct 29th, 2011 - 03:30 pm Report abuse
No mater how often the Argentines rewrite history they can never change it, as it is only there own take on it, and no one else gives a toss, the argi's have lots of fair weather friend's and like all fair weather friend's when the going gets tough they sod off, so let them rant and rave, and keep giving us all a good laugh.
11 GeoffWard2 (#) Oct 29th, 2011 - 03:43 pm Report abuse
Remember that ALL the American lands and nations & the associated Arctic/Antarctic longitudinal sectors have been colonies until quite recently, and some still are.

Some became non-colonies by genocides, erradication of the indiginants, 'reservication' of indiginants, war and insurrection. So nothing much to be proud of there!
A bit like adolescence but 'with running and screaming'.

Some prefer to remain within the commonwealth of nations, and others under protectorate from hostile neighbours - and who can blame them?
12 Room101 (#) Oct 29th, 2011 - 04:38 pm Report abuse
Hello, GeoffWard2 (11)
Yes, it is somewhat a patchwork quilt. Some might wish to look at the the flag of the Hawaii US State. Just an example of the various conundrums of history.
13 Think (#) Oct 29th, 2011 - 04:43 pm Report abuse
(11) GeoffWard

And specifically the Malvinas are one of the last anachronistic remnants of the British Empire and its control of the principal navigation routes of the world.

Or, as Mr. Timermann puts it:

“Falkland/Malvinas continues as “a colonial dagger in America” ”
14 jerry (#) Oct 29th, 2011 - 05:22 pm Report abuse
Sounds like an oxymoron - Timerman thanked his peers?? Timerman does not think he has any “peers”; he knows more than anybody!
15 JustinKuntz (#) Oct 29th, 2011 - 07:17 pm Report abuse
#13 I don't think you understand what anachronistic means.

It is anachronistic to claim territory based on disputed events in the early 19th Century.

It is anachronstic to refer to the British Empire, since that ceased to exist in the 1960s.

It is anachronistic to refer to the Falklands as colonial, since they have devolved Government and have met the requirements for decolonisation set out in UN 1541.

Argentina's colonial ambitions in the 21st Century are anachronistic.

Hope those examples help.
16 Malvinero1 (#) Oct 29th, 2011 - 08:24 pm Report abuse
It is anachronistic to refer to the Falklands as colonial, since they have devolved Government and have met the requirements for decolonisation set out in UN 1541.

Argentina's colonial ambitions in the 21st Century are anachronistic

AHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAH justin....The usual stupidity from you...
17 Anti-Fascist (#) Oct 29th, 2011 - 08:53 pm Report abuse
16 Malvinero1 (#)

It is anachronistic to refer to the Falklands as colonial, since they have devolved Government and have met the requirements for decolonisation set out in UN 1541.

Argentina's colonial ambitions in the 21st Century are anachronistic

Yes Marvin,

But peroism is a political vehicle in Argentina, used to stir up the nationalism of the dumbed down masses. It is this fascism that is keeping the Falklands issue alive in Argentina, especially amongst the older generation. The Argentine youth couldn't give two ****s about the Falklands.

If you tell the average Argentine that the international community finds their Falkland psychosis a cause for concern they will not believe you. That is how indoctrinated they are!
18 UKOwnsArgentina (#) Oct 29th, 2011 - 09:03 pm Report abuse
On the basis of the British invasion of Río de la Plata I have been able to establish that Argentina is in fact owned by Great Britain.

I have been tabling a series of motions at the UN in order to officially establish this claim to Argentina. There is historical president for this, on the basis of an almost 200 year invasion of the Falkland Islands by a German and some British ex patriots, Argentina claims the Falkland Islands.

I can establish as historical fact that Río de la Plata was invaded by Britain and that this claim was never renounced, there is over 200 years of continued British claim to Argentina.

This makes all Argentines suject to British law and taxation. I am planning to get Buenos Aires renamed Port of Britain. Argentina will be called Bairdland, after the leader of British forces in the first occupation of Río de la Plata.

It is important to state that this did not happen just once - as in the Argentine claim to the Falklands - but twice.
19 GeoffWard2 (#) Oct 29th, 2011 - 09:36 pm Report abuse
Justin #15,
coherent argument - like it!

Then there is a question of critical mass.
For instance, contemporary Easter Island (arguably) did not have critical mass of individuals with the demographic distribution to sustain a viable community - irrespective of their ability to fight off other attacking communities. The Rapanui survive in the Special Territory of Chile, but as a remnant community gradually becoming replaced by immigrant Chileans.
Is it a case for decolonisation?

Parts of Southern Patagonia have the same issue, but with an additional Welsh dimension. Should the province revert to the indigenous, if present as a critical mass, or some later passage of colonisation - if the latter, which one? . . . the most aggressive?

Is there a critical minimum geographical size of a uniquely governable 'province'? And to what extent would a minimum sized unit be allowed to exist on the back of adjacent trading partners for sustainence, defence, etc? A critical question for Monaco, San Marino, Luxembourg, Vatican 'City', etc.

The history of 'human earth' is one of a constantly shifting kaleidascope of communities, nations, etc. We attempt to manage this movement through supra-national organisations such as the UN, the C24(?), etc in order to avoid bloodshed. We ascribe high ideals to such arbiters but frequently they become politicised, or outmoded as realpolitik of the world moves the ground beneath them (The Falkland Islands problems are as nothing compared to those of the much-less-inhabited Spratleys).

No, for the moment the super-structures of the world give priority to
1. Raw military power
2. Political power and pressure, and only then to
3. The wishes of the people living there.

But we try to priorities 3. because it is the human, humane option.
20 briton (#) Oct 29th, 2011 - 11:15 pm Report abuse
more argentine indocrinated plonkers,
they would belive in fairies if they fell out of the sky,
but they do dont they,
you got about as much chance of getting the falklands,as you have of growing up .
21 Beef (#) Oct 29th, 2011 - 11:41 pm Report abuse
But what is Argentina actually doing about it. Oh yes, nothing.

The drill bit keeps on turning and the fish keeps on being served up for dinner.
22 Pirat-Hunter (#) Oct 29th, 2011 - 11:46 pm Report abuse
How is Libya everyone or Afganistan or Iraq ?? did the mob of cowards kill enought civilians yet ?? are the racist still running the show for nato, UN, IMF and the masses ??many question and not clues in here just a lot of brain gas, I hear an ounce of lead is good for people with that problem.
23 O gara (#) Oct 29th, 2011 - 11:56 pm Report abuse
Gentlemen answer me a simple question?Is it possible to emigrate to the Malvinas??????If any European or Argentine citizen can do so well then nobody could deny the right to self determination.If not it merely appears the English approve of ethnic cleanseing which of course they invented
24 briton (#) Oct 30th, 2011 - 12:01 am Report abuse
more anti english crap from mr know it all,
go home to the stolen land little boy, and leave the falklanders alone .
25 O gara (#) Oct 30th, 2011 - 12:08 am Report abuse
”Briton answer yes or no
26 briton (#) Oct 30th, 2011 - 12:31 am Report abuse
anybody can immigrat anywhere on planet earth, providing to qualyfy
and that includes the falklands .
27 O gara (#) Oct 30th, 2011 - 12:42 am Report abuse
“provideing to qualify” que boludo sos
In other words you admit ethnic cleanseing.
thank you I rest my case
28 briton (#) Oct 30th, 2011 - 12:53 am Report abuse
Don’t be so bloody stupid
What an idiot,
Everybody has to comply with rules and regulations,
or are you going to sit there and tell me you or your parents just woke up one day and said, its Argentina for us,
went to airport, got on plane, got of in Argentina,
They said welcome today you are Argentinean,
And you have been there ever since,
Or did you have to fill in forms like everybody bloody else,
how stupid can you get,
ethnic cleansing, bullshit, indoctrination more like .
29 O gara (#) Oct 30th, 2011 - 12:59 am Report abuse
I merely ask can an
Argentine citizen go to the Malvinas work and vote yes or no?
30 briton (#) Oct 30th, 2011 - 01:12 am Report abuse
you ask a catch 22

can a falkland islander citizen go to argentina work and vote
yes or no .
31 O gara (#) Oct 30th, 2011 - 01:17 am Report abuse
Without any question any citizen of the EU is entitled to go to Argentina and apply for a work permit which will be easily obtained.Within a few years not alone will he /she be allowed to vote they will be EXPECTED to do so.
Now do the same in the Malvinas.In Ireland we know all about you how you showed the Afrikaaners to depreive people of one man one vote which lasted almost as long in the North Of Ireland mas it did in Apartheid South Africa
32 Redhoyt (#) Oct 30th, 2011 - 01:20 am Report abuse
Of course anyone can emigrate to the Falklands - providing they meet certain criteria.

The same as anyone wanting to emigrate to ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD !

Not heard of 'visas', residency qualifications? You think this is a free world?

Too irish O'Gaga lol
33 briton (#) Oct 30th, 2011 - 01:21 am Report abuse
remember you not irish, silly boy
you just claimed that you just claimed that you have not claimed anything,
if thats not silly,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
as for the falklands question, ive no idea, ask an islander,
the malvinas is a myth like atlantis, when you ever find them,
let us know, we wont be interested
34 O gara (#) Oct 30th, 2011 - 01:28 am Report abuse
Now the Engish fairness is shown uo for all its bulls..t.Redhoyt and 33 have now openly admitted the Malvinas has been occupied through Ethnic cleanseing.If im im Europe as an Irish citizen I can vote in the U?K or Spain or anywhere else.But Argentine citizens cannot go to the Malvinas so ethnic cleanseing has worKed FOR NOW
35 briton (#) Oct 30th, 2011 - 01:34 am Report abuse
stupid fool
argie plonker
36 O gara (#) Oct 30th, 2011 - 01:37 am Report abuse
The pretence of discussion gives away to abuse the moment the ARGUMENT IS LOST
ETHNIC CLEANSING ADMITTED Cheers have a god night
37 briton (#) Oct 30th, 2011 - 01:47 am Report abuse
stupid fool is not abuse, you stupid fool.
but ethnic cleansing is very insulting to these who have been,
but then the truth never did get your way did it,
silly argie plonker,
38 Malvinero1 (#) Oct 30th, 2011 - 02:17 am Report abuse
stupid fool is not abuse, you stupid fool.
but ethnic cleansing is very insulting to these who have been,
but then the truth never did get your way did it,
silly argie plonker,
You briton not only are a boring poet,but a mean person///
Cheetha
39 briton (#) Oct 30th, 2011 - 02:28 am Report abuse
38 Malvinero1 you are a prick
and im not mean,
im a polite person,
i spent 5 years as a poet, and you think im one,
silly boy,
how do you work out im a poet, is not a poet supose to rythm,
you do some times,
as for boring, if it drills then let it drill,
if it makes a hole, let it make a hole,
just dont fall through it .lol.
40 Redhoyt (#) Oct 30th, 2011 - 03:08 am Report abuse
O'Gaga - your powers of interpretation are purely Argentine!
Try going to the USA and voting.
Try going to any non-EU country and voting.
Try going to Bermuda and voting.

Naive!

LOL
41 dab14763 (#) Oct 30th, 2011 - 05:51 am Report abuse
Try going to Argentina and voting. Only citizens are allowed to vote in national elections

www.argentina.gov.ar/argentina/portal/paginas.dhtml?pagina=424

So Uruguayans, Bolivians, Chileans, Paraguayans, Brazilians cannot vote in Argentine national elections unless they have obtained Argentine citizenship.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote
42 stick up your junta (#) Oct 30th, 2011 - 08:20 am Report abuse
If im im Europe as an Irish citizen I can vote in the U?K or Spain or anywhere else.But Argentine citizens cannot go to the Malvinas so ethnic cleanseing has worKed FOR NOW

Argentina had its own version of ethnic cleansing in the 1880’s when President, and national hero, General Julio Roca waged the genocidal War of the Desert expelling the indigenous people of northern Patagonia and the Pampas to the Andean west. This set the stage for Patagonia’s Golden Age of sheep and cattle estancias - multi thousand acre fiefdoms of wealth.

IRA death squads target innocent protestant families for ethnic cleansing in Belfast
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZChZRDuhsTs

The Treatment of Protestants in the Irish Republic
www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=treatment
43 Room101 (#) Oct 30th, 2011 - 09:52 am Report abuse
“Argentina is a peaceful country and has no conflicts with nobody”
Sorry- he meant “anybody”
”“is not free of the colonial yoke but will not cease in attempting to achieve it”. Ah, so he wants Argentina to be under a colonial yoke.
44 O gara (#) Oct 30th, 2011 - 10:12 am Report abuse
Room Imagino entonces que un hombre intelectual como vos puede hablar Español perfectamente.Que boludo sos“”“”“”“”“”“”“”

Stick it: Protestants in the Republic of Ireland are extremely well treated like all our citizens.The first president of the republic was indeed a protestant Douglas Hyde.Indeed one of the candidates to the presidency in 2011 was a gay protestant David Norris.
Of course this could not happen in your sectarian state where a Roman Catholic is not allowed to be King or Queen.Indeed until this week a Roman Catholic wasnt allow to marry one of your little jumped up royalty.
Some of Irelands greatest literary personalities were protestant many of them republican WB Yeats,George Bernard Shaw,Sean O Casey etc
Protestants may have received bad treatment in the republic in the period from 1922 to 1930 but not because of their religion but because of their support for empire.Catholic collaborators were treated in the same fashion.Thats what happens in war you should know your empire has caused enough of them.its probably the only industry left in many parts of England
45 stick up your junta (#) Oct 30th, 2011 - 10:39 am Report abuse
Protestants in the Republic of Ireland are extremely well treated like all our citizens.

Ireland is known abroad as the land of one hundred thousand welcomes.But as well-known journalist Gene Kerrigan points out, those welcomes seem to depend very much on where you come from and what the colour of your skin is.

Screams from the tarmac. A man is being hustled towards an airplane, three men pushing and pulling him. He cries that he doesn't want to go, please help, someone help, the three men struggle to subdue him. It might be a scene from a fifth-rate, 1960s spy movie set in some fictional East European state. It was Dublin airport, November 1993.
46 O gara (#) Oct 30th, 2011 - 10:53 am Report abuse
Gene Kerrigan is so left wing he wouldnt get a job with the Morning post,
Iraland has taken in more immigrants per capita in the last 15 years than any other EU country from all over the World.More than England per head.
Even now as droves of our young people emigrate to Australia,New Zealand and Canada there isnt a hint of any political movement such as the BNP or whatever they call themselves now
47 stick up your junta (#) Oct 30th, 2011 - 11:02 am Report abuse
Residents Against Racism has been campaigning since 1998, with a particular focus on state racism in Ireland. We are not connected to any political party and do not receive any public funding.

RAR is a long-standing critic of the politicisation of the Irish asylum process. We argue that it is fundamentally a human rights issue and should be given over to an independent body
48 O gara (#) Oct 30th, 2011 - 11:17 am Report abuse
What are googleing some mickey mouse kwango that needs to justify itself to get sate aid to fight the state
Spare me this utter red herring and discuss the savagery the City of London has caused all over the World during centuries in its ruthless efforts at enriching itself useing the likes of poor fools like you as collateral damage.
You are so blind i cannot go on anymore que boludo
49 stick up your junta (#) Oct 30th, 2011 - 11:23 am Report abuse
You are so blind i cannot go on anymore que boludo

I win :-)))))
50 Redhoyt (#) Oct 30th, 2011 - 11:39 am Report abuse
Amazing - so many Argies here tell me that 30 years is so long ago that we ought to forget the Argentine invasion of our Falklands.

But apparently its OK to raise 300 years of British imperialism.

Ok by me - I'm damned PROUD of those 300 years !
51 Marcos Alejandro (#) Oct 30th, 2011 - 03:15 pm Report abuse
50 Redhoyt I bet you are proud of the millions killed by British Imperialim as well.

15 JustinKuntz “I don't think you understand what anachronistic means'

Let's ask another British, more intelligent than Justin that's for sure...

”Distant colonies are an anachronism. Britain will have to negotiate with Argentina because the world will insist on it”

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/feb/25/falklands-britains-expensive-nuisance
52 stick up your junta (#) Oct 30th, 2011 - 04:01 pm Report abuse
Let's ask another Argie, more intelligent than Marcos

The Falklands Will Never Be ArgentineProf. Carlos Escudé, Ph.D.
Argentine National Council of Scientific Research (CONICET)
Uiversidad Torcuato Di Tella, Buenos Aires

It is sufficient to talk to any Buenos Aires cabdriver to understand
that the Argentine people know that the Falkland Islands will not be
“recovered” by Argentina. The only locals who appear not to
understand this basic fact of life are a group of war veterans, a small
bunch of nationalist fundamentalists, and practically the entire lot of
Argentine politicians.
53 Conqueror (#) Oct 30th, 2011 - 04:46 pm Report abuse
@51
“I bet you are proud of the millions killed by British Imperialim as well.”
You're right. We should have concentrated on Argentines. Oh, well. Next time.

“I don't think you understand what anachronistic means'
Of course we do. You're anachronistic. So is CFK. Either that or she correctly thinks that you and your ilk are stupid.

By the way, that article you referenced was by Simon Jenkins. One of the biggest prats in the world. His intelligence level is about on a par with yours. That is to say, zero.
54 briton (#) Oct 30th, 2011 - 06:17 pm Report abuse
they have nothing to say , of any interest, so they bring the good old empire into it,
just to change the subject,
so perhaps we dont notice they have nothing else to say,
the falklands are british,
and all you can do is talk talk,
and boy can you talk .lol.
55 Rachel (#) Oct 30th, 2011 - 10:27 pm Report abuse
51 Marcos Alejandro

No one is going to negotiate with a bunch of fascists. The world thinks of you all as goons and laughs. All my friends find your posts extremely funny. Proof that Argentina is still full off fanatics and child killers.
56 JustinKuntz (#) Oct 30th, 2011 - 11:45 pm Report abuse
In answer to O'Gara's question, there is nothing to stop an Argentine citizen going to the Falklands and living there. A number already do.

But there is not unfettered immigration, you have to there for employment and have the means to support yourself. A British citizen, or any other nationality has no automatic right of entry if they don't meet those criteria.

I have seen ethnic cleansing in action, you have no idea of what you're talking about. I find it distasteful in the extreme that you would stoop so low.
57 Redhoyt (#) Oct 31st, 2011 - 01:21 am Report abuse
MoreCrap - history has to be viewed in context.

Not through some kind of rose tinted specs. Grow up!
58 Jedi389 (#) Oct 31st, 2011 - 04:49 pm Report abuse
O-Gara - to answer you question.. NO you cannot emigrate to the Malvinas - however you can emigrate to te Falkland Islands.... All you need to do is be able to fulfil the points criteria similar to Australia and NZ. You can work & also vote (sfer being there for 5 years).

To emigrate to Argentina - all you need is t have been born in Falkland Islands - CFK wil hold a street carnival and give you Argentine citizenship, ID card and a just ask you to be part of teh media circus...(ALA - James Peck)

Or sghould tehy need to as teh FI are already part of Argentina (or so Argentina think), so no need for the political spin....
59 Rachel (#) Oct 31st, 2011 - 06:15 pm Report abuse
58 Jedi389

We don't want him! He can visit but I can guarantee he wont be here long :)

lol they couldn't pay me a billion pounds to become Argentine, what a bunch of jokers!
60 JoJo (#) Nov 01st, 2011 - 12:20 am Report abuse
actually it is not soo straighforward. First you will have to be offered a job, and have to have secured housing. Whether you're from AR or elsewhere doesn't matter at all in this process, but I wonder how many employers would actually offer an argentine applicant a job (if there are any of course, and to my knowledge that doesn't happen very often, they seem to prefer hotter climes). Then of course you get a work permit for the period of that job's contract. It doesn't give you an automatic right to live here forever. If the contract is not renewed, I'm afraid you have to go where you're from. If you you keep your job, then after 5 years you can get permanent residency, but even that does not give you automatic right to vote, that is only applicable to those from commonwealth countries or the UK. But you can apply for naturalization (yes, even Argentines can), and if granted, then those that are successful can also vote. But for instance if you are an American citizen living in the Falklands for 20 years, with permanent residency (which comes with lots of rights of course), but have not changed you allegiance (to our Queen instead of say the US president), then why would the FIG grant you the right to vote? We don't of course. So, the answer to interested Argentines is of course, come and live and work here, change your allegiance to that of your country of resiodency, and you can vote!
61 lsolde (#) Nov 01st, 2011 - 08:53 am Report abuse
What Ogara means is can 5,000 selected Argentines emigrate en masse, get established then vote to join Argentina. lf we say that they can't then they will be screaming “racist” or some such rot, in every forum in the world.
l believe every country has the right to say who can & who can't emigrate to their land without these accusations hanging over them.
62 Pirat-Hunter (#) Nov 02nd, 2011 - 09:04 pm Report abuse
Argentine's around the world demand UN and NATO to take action against the occupation of Islas Malvinas Argentina or to allow for a nuclear defence program to be build in Argentina to protect the main land from any farther occupation and theft of land in Argentina.
63 Pete35 (#) Nov 04th, 2011 - 02:58 am Report abuse
Timmerman is not a diplomat. He is a journalist and not a very good one at that. His lack of knowledge about how the world thinks is notorious as exemplified in his personally-led takeover of the military plane that landed in Argentina bringing military trainers at the specific request of Argentine authorities of his own government. Strangely, he is also a USA citizen, awarded to him when he ran away from Argentina during the last military regime seeking asylum.
64 GeoffWard2 (#) Nov 04th, 2011 - 11:43 am Report abuse
Héctor Timerman, from a jewish family, has been a very successful journalist, following in his dad’s footsteps.
He edited La Tarde for the dictatorship but, following his dad’s kidnapping, his human rights involvement got him 'exiled' to NY where he continued work with human rights and press freedom.
He took an MA in international relations from ('left wing') Columbia Uni. and continued being an exiled, and then repatriated, journalist. Originally centre-left, he became a Kirtchner peronist.
He split his time between TV, human rights and politics – including giving denouncing testimony of the old dictatorship.
In 2004 he was made Consul General to NY, becoming Ambassador to the US in 2007/8, and called back to his present job as CFK’s Foreign Relation Minister, in 2010.

Not averse to being controversial, he has made a few diplomatic mistakes since his return (see Pete #63).
65 Pete35 (#) Nov 04th, 2011 - 12:14 pm Report abuse
I know his history and thanks for reminding me. I stand by what I said in my previous post.
66 GeoffWard2 (#) Nov 04th, 2011 - 04:23 pm Report abuse
Yes, Pete, I did not post it for your benefit, but for those occasional visitors for who Timerman is just an odd name.
I consider him to be prize bozo.
G.
67 Pete35 (#) Nov 05th, 2011 - 02:41 am Report abuse
Thanks, Geoff. It was a pretty good summary.

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