Falkland/Malvinas continues as “a colonial dagger in America” Timerman tells his peers
Malvinas continues as “a colonial dagger in America” said Argentine Foreign Affaire minister Hector Timerman during an Ibero-Latin American ministerial meeting in Paraguay ahead of the full summit on Saturday.
At the end of the Foreign Affairs ministers meeting Friday, in Asuncion, Timerman thanked his peers for their support to Argentina’s sovereignty claims over the Falklands/Malvinas Islands and emphasized that the situation continues to be a colonial dagger in America”.
“Argentina is a peaceful country and has no conflicts with nobody, except the UK” which refuses to begin negotiations on the Malvinas Islands sovereignty said Timerman who recalled the ten UN resolutions calling for a bilateral dialogue.
That is why Argentina “is not free of the colonial yoke but will not cease in attempting to achieve it”.
The Ibero-American ministerial meeting agreed to include a statement on Argentina’s Malvinas claim in the final declaration that will have the signature from the presidents of the regional block that includes Latin America, Spain, Portugal and Andorra.
“The support is very much valued and appreciated by the Argentine people. And it’s not a stubborn Argentina position, rather we are talking of natural resources that are being exploited in Argentine territory. The sequence of events and the greed and abuse of the colonial power should be an instruction history book for our future generations”, emphasized Timerman.
The ministerial meeting addressed a long agenda mainly initiatives referred to development with equality, defence of migrants and the right to peace, which were the motives chosen by the host Paraguay for the summit. Other issues included cooperation programs and agreements on industrial patents.
The plenary session of the summit with heads of government and state will take place Saturday at the emblematic building of the South American Football Confederation in Asunción.
In spite of the significance of the event which also includes the King of Spain, several regional leaders won’t be present among them the presidents from Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay and Venezuela.
Cristina Fernandez is secluded in Rio Gallegos where this week she opened a mausoleum to the memory of her late husband Nestor Kirchner. Brazil’s Dilma Rousseff is preparing for the coming G20 summit in France; Uruguay’s Jose Mujica has plans to visit farming areas and is just back from a ten-day tour of European countries and Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez is under chemotherapy treatment.
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Nationally disputed lands and territories in the Americas & the associated Arctic/Antarctic longitudinal sector (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_disputes):
Machias Seal Island,
North Rock,
Strait of Juan de Fuca,
Dixon Entrance,
Portland Canal,
Beaufort Sea,
Northwest Passage and some other Arctic waters,
Isla Aves,
Southern half of Belize,
Bajo Nuevo Bank,
Calero Island,
Conejo Island,
Navassa Island,
San Andrés and Providencia,
Sapodilla Cay,
Serranilla Bank,
Amazon rainforest frontier,
Ankoko Island/Isla de Anacoco,
Arroyo de la Invernada or Rincón de Artigas and Vila Albornoz,
French Guiana west of the Marouini River,
Guaíra Falls/Sete Quedas,
Guyana east of the Upper Courantyne River,
Guyana west of the Essequibo River (Guayana Esequiba),
Ilha Brasileira,
Isla Suárez/Ilha de Guajará-mirim,
Los Monjes Archipelago,
Pacific Ocean Sea border (Chile/Peru),
Southern Patagonian Ice Field between Monte Fitz Roy and Cerro Daudet,
Isla Martín García,
Antarctica (special rules apply),
Falkland Islands,
South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands.
Our job is to help people like Sr. Timerman see the larger picture; he is sometimes so fixated that he 'cannot see the wood for the trees'.
”Falkland/Malvinas continues as “a colonial dagger in America” ”
The only C O L O N I A L daggers in your loooong list are ….:
1) Falkland Islands,
2) South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands.
3) French Guiana west of the Marouini River.
All the others are disputes between Independent American Countries.
Some became non-colonies by genocides, erradication of the indiginants, 'reservication' of indiginants, war and insurrection. So nothing much to be proud of there!
A bit like adolescence but 'with running and screaming'.
Some prefer to remain within the commonwealth of nations, and others under protectorate from hostile neighbours - and who can blame them?
Yes, it is somewhat a patchwork quilt. Some might wish to look at the the flag of the Hawaii US State. Just an example of the various conundrums of history.
And specifically the Malvinas are one of the last anachronistic remnants of the British Empire and its control of the principal navigation routes of the world.
Or, as Mr. Timermann puts it:
“Falkland/Malvinas continues as “a colonial dagger in America” ”
It is anachronistic to claim territory based on disputed events in the early 19th Century.
It is anachronstic to refer to the British Empire, since that ceased to exist in the 1960s.
It is anachronistic to refer to the Falklands as colonial, since they have devolved Government and have met the requirements for decolonisation set out in UN 1541.
Argentina's colonial ambitions in the 21st Century are anachronistic.
Hope those examples help.
Argentina's colonial ambitions in the 21st Century are anachronistic
AHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAH justin....The usual stupidity from you...
It is anachronistic to refer to the Falklands as colonial, since they have devolved Government and have met the requirements for decolonisation set out in UN 1541.
Argentina's colonial ambitions in the 21st Century are anachronistic
Yes Marvin,
But peroism is a political vehicle in Argentina, used to stir up the nationalism of the dumbed down masses. It is this fascism that is keeping the Falklands issue alive in Argentina, especially amongst the older generation. The Argentine youth couldn't give two ****s about the Falklands.
If you tell the average Argentine that the international community finds their Falkland psychosis a cause for concern they will not believe you. That is how indoctrinated they are!
I have been tabling a series of motions at the UN in order to officially establish this claim to Argentina. There is historical president for this, on the basis of an almost 200 year invasion of the Falkland Islands by a German and some British ex patriots, Argentina claims the Falkland Islands.
I can establish as historical fact that Río de la Plata was invaded by Britain and that this claim was never renounced, there is over 200 years of continued British claim to Argentina.
This makes all Argentines suject to British law and taxation. I am planning to get Buenos Aires renamed Port of Britain. Argentina will be called Bairdland, after the leader of British forces in the first occupation of Río de la Plata.
It is important to state that this did not happen just once - as in the Argentine claim to the Falklands - but twice.
coherent argument - like it!
Then there is a question of critical mass.
For instance, contemporary Easter Island (arguably) did not have critical mass of individuals with the demographic distribution to sustain a viable community - irrespective of their ability to fight off other attacking communities. The Rapanui survive in the Special Territory of Chile, but as a remnant community gradually becoming replaced by immigrant Chileans.
Is it a case for decolonisation?
Parts of Southern Patagonia have the same issue, but with an additional Welsh dimension. Should the province revert to the indigenous, if present as a critical mass, or some later passage of colonisation - if the latter, which one? . . . the most aggressive?
Is there a critical minimum geographical size of a uniquely governable 'province'? And to what extent would a minimum sized unit be allowed to exist on the back of adjacent trading partners for sustainence, defence, etc? A critical question for Monaco, San Marino, Luxembourg, Vatican 'City', etc.
The history of 'human earth' is one of a constantly shifting kaleidascope of communities, nations, etc. We attempt to manage this movement through supra-national organisations such as the UN, the C24(?), etc in order to avoid bloodshed. We ascribe high ideals to such arbiters but frequently they become politicised, or outmoded as realpolitik of the world moves the ground beneath them (The Falkland Islands problems are as nothing compared to those of the much-less-inhabited Spratleys).
No, for the moment the super-structures of the world give priority to
1. Raw military power
2. Political power and pressure, and only then to
3. The wishes of the people living there.
But we try to priorities 3. because it is the human, humane option.
they would belive in fairies if they fell out of the sky,
but they do dont they,
you got about as much chance of getting the falklands,as you have of growing up .
The drill bit keeps on turning and the fish keeps on being served up for dinner.
go home to the stolen land little boy, and leave the falklanders alone .
and that includes the falklands .
In other words you admit ethnic cleanseing.
thank you I rest my case
What an idiot,
Everybody has to comply with rules and regulations,
or are you going to sit there and tell me you or your parents just woke up one day and said, its Argentina for us,
went to airport, got on plane, got of in Argentina,
They said welcome today you are Argentinean,
And you have been there ever since,
Or did you have to fill in forms like everybody bloody else,
how stupid can you get,
ethnic cleansing, bullshit, indoctrination more like .
Argentine citizen go to the Malvinas work and vote yes or no?
can a falkland islander citizen go to argentina work and vote
yes or no .
Now do the same in the Malvinas.In Ireland we know all about you how you showed the Afrikaaners to depreive people of one man one vote which lasted almost as long in the North Of Ireland mas it did in Apartheid South Africa
The same as anyone wanting to emigrate to ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD !
Not heard of 'visas', residency qualifications? You think this is a free world?
Too irish O'Gaga lol
you just claimed that you just claimed that you have not claimed anything,
if thats not silly,
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as for the falklands question, ive no idea, ask an islander,
the malvinas is a myth like atlantis, when you ever find them,
let us know, we wont be interested
argie plonker
ETHNIC CLEANSING ADMITTED Cheers have a god night
but ethnic cleansing is very insulting to these who have been,
but then the truth never did get your way did it,
silly argie plonker,
but ethnic cleansing is very insulting to these who have been,
but then the truth never did get your way did it,
silly argie plonker,
You briton not only are a boring poet,but a mean person///
Cheetha
and im not mean,
im a polite person,
i spent 5 years as a poet, and you think im one,
silly boy,
how do you work out im a poet, is not a poet supose to rythm,
you do some times,
as for boring, if it drills then let it drill,
if it makes a hole, let it make a hole,
just dont fall through it .lol.
Try going to the USA and voting.
Try going to any non-EU country and voting.
Try going to Bermuda and voting.
Naive!
LOL
www.argentina.gov.ar/argentina/portal/paginas.dhtml?pagina=424
So Uruguayans, Bolivians, Chileans, Paraguayans, Brazilians cannot vote in Argentine national elections unless they have obtained Argentine citizenship.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote
Argentina had its own version of ethnic cleansing in the 1880’s when President, and national hero, General Julio Roca waged the genocidal War of the Desert expelling the indigenous people of northern Patagonia and the Pampas to the Andean west. This set the stage for Patagonia’s Golden Age of sheep and cattle estancias - multi thousand acre fiefdoms of wealth.
IRA death squads target innocent protestant families for ethnic cleansing in Belfast
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZChZRDuhsTs
The Treatment of Protestants in the Irish Republic
www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=treatment
Sorry- he meant “anybody”
”“is not free of the colonial yoke but will not cease in attempting to achieve it”. Ah, so he wants Argentina to be under a colonial yoke.
Stick it: Protestants in the Republic of Ireland are extremely well treated like all our citizens.The first president of the republic was indeed a protestant Douglas Hyde.Indeed one of the candidates to the presidency in 2011 was a gay protestant David Norris.
Of course this could not happen in your sectarian state where a Roman Catholic is not allowed to be King or Queen.Indeed until this week a Roman Catholic wasnt allow to marry one of your little jumped up royalty.
Some of Irelands greatest literary personalities were protestant many of them republican WB Yeats,George Bernard Shaw,Sean O Casey etc
Protestants may have received bad treatment in the republic in the period from 1922 to 1930 but not because of their religion but because of their support for empire.Catholic collaborators were treated in the same fashion.Thats what happens in war you should know your empire has caused enough of them.its probably the only industry left in many parts of England
Ireland is known abroad as the land of one hundred thousand welcomes.But as well-known journalist Gene Kerrigan points out, those welcomes seem to depend very much on where you come from and what the colour of your skin is.
Screams from the tarmac. A man is being hustled towards an airplane, three men pushing and pulling him. He cries that he doesn't want to go, please help, someone help, the three men struggle to subdue him. It might be a scene from a fifth-rate, 1960s spy movie set in some fictional East European state. It was Dublin airport, November 1993.
Iraland has taken in more immigrants per capita in the last 15 years than any other EU country from all over the World.More than England per head.
Even now as droves of our young people emigrate to Australia,New Zealand and Canada there isnt a hint of any political movement such as the BNP or whatever they call themselves now
RAR is a long-standing critic of the politicisation of the Irish asylum process. We argue that it is fundamentally a human rights issue and should be given over to an independent body
Spare me this utter red herring and discuss the savagery the City of London has caused all over the World during centuries in its ruthless efforts at enriching itself useing the likes of poor fools like you as collateral damage.
You are so blind i cannot go on anymore que boludo
I win :-)))))
But apparently its OK to raise 300 years of British imperialism.
Ok by me - I'm damned PROUD of those 300 years !
15 JustinKuntz “I don't think you understand what anachronistic means'
Let's ask another British, more intelligent than Justin that's for sure...
”Distant colonies are an anachronism. Britain will have to negotiate with Argentina because the world will insist on it”
www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/feb/25/falklands-britains-expensive-nuisance
The Falklands Will Never Be ArgentineProf. Carlos Escudé, Ph.D.
Argentine National Council of Scientific Research (CONICET)
Uiversidad Torcuato Di Tella, Buenos Aires
It is sufficient to talk to any Buenos Aires cabdriver to understand
that the Argentine people know that the Falkland Islands will not be
“recovered” by Argentina. The only locals who appear not to
understand this basic fact of life are a group of war veterans, a small
bunch of nationalist fundamentalists, and practically the entire lot of
Argentine politicians.
“I bet you are proud of the millions killed by British Imperialim as well.”
You're right. We should have concentrated on Argentines. Oh, well. Next time.
“I don't think you understand what anachronistic means'
Of course we do. You're anachronistic. So is CFK. Either that or she correctly thinks that you and your ilk are stupid.
By the way, that article you referenced was by Simon Jenkins. One of the biggest prats in the world. His intelligence level is about on a par with yours. That is to say, zero.
just to change the subject,
so perhaps we dont notice they have nothing else to say,
the falklands are british,
and all you can do is talk talk,
and boy can you talk .lol.
No one is going to negotiate with a bunch of fascists. The world thinks of you all as goons and laughs. All my friends find your posts extremely funny. Proof that Argentina is still full off fanatics and child killers.
But there is not unfettered immigration, you have to there for employment and have the means to support yourself. A British citizen, or any other nationality has no automatic right of entry if they don't meet those criteria.
I have seen ethnic cleansing in action, you have no idea of what you're talking about. I find it distasteful in the extreme that you would stoop so low.
Not through some kind of rose tinted specs. Grow up!
To emigrate to Argentina - all you need is t have been born in Falkland Islands - CFK wil hold a street carnival and give you Argentine citizenship, ID card and a just ask you to be part of teh media circus...(ALA - James Peck)
Or sghould tehy need to as teh FI are already part of Argentina (or so Argentina think), so no need for the political spin....
We don't want him! He can visit but I can guarantee he wont be here long :)
lol they couldn't pay me a billion pounds to become Argentine, what a bunch of jokers!
l believe every country has the right to say who can & who can't emigrate to their land without these accusations hanging over them.
He edited La Tarde for the dictatorship but, following his dad’s kidnapping, his human rights involvement got him 'exiled' to NY where he continued work with human rights and press freedom.
He took an MA in international relations from ('left wing') Columbia Uni. and continued being an exiled, and then repatriated, journalist. Originally centre-left, he became a Kirtchner peronist.
He split his time between TV, human rights and politics – including giving denouncing testimony of the old dictatorship.
In 2004 he was made Consul General to NY, becoming Ambassador to the US in 2007/8, and called back to his present job as CFK’s Foreign Relation Minister, in 2010.
Not averse to being controversial, he has made a few diplomatic mistakes since his return (see Pete #63).
I consider him to be prize bozo.
G.
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