Friday, December 23rd 2011 - 14:44 UTC

Buenos Aires only accepts one outcome of talks: “turning Falklands into an Argentine colony”

Following the article published in “The Independent” dated 22nd December 2011, entitled “Time to talk about the Falklands”, the people of the Falkland Islands would like to make the following response.

Jan Cheek, Member of the Legislative Assembly
Falkland Islands

The Mercosur statement banning legitimate Falkland Islands flagged vessels from using their ports came as no surprise to the people of the Falkland Islands. We have seen Argentina pressuring their neighbours into lending verbal support to various pronouncements, all of which are aimed at putting us under pressure and disrupting our way of life. We are well aware of their wish to force us to discuss the sovereignty of the Islands from which they would only accept one outcome, turning our home and country into a colony of Argentina.

We are very appreciative of the strong support from the UK for our right to self determination under the UN Charter. We are equally disappointed that countries in the region with which we've had a long and mutually beneficial relationship seem ready to join Argentina in ignoring this right. As a people we have the right to determine our own future, and we have made a choice – to maintain our relationship with Britain. It is this right, and this choice that we have made, that is being ignored.

In an ideal world, of course disputes should be settled by talking. Unfortunately the only talks of interest to Argentina are those which have only one possible outcome; namely the hand over of the Falkland Islands against the clearly expressed wishes of their people.

 

 

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1 Nightingale (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 02:58 pm Report abuse
She wants to get her grubby little hands on the oil.. And heal the lost pride of their failed invasion in 82...
2 johnfarrel2050 (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 03:02 pm Report abuse
The opinion that the Falkland Island were stolen by UK is not only the opinion of Argentinian people. A lot of people around the world think that. In addition you can see that a lot of countries agree with this position. With an impartial view you could conclude that the arguments of UK are very weak
3 Islas Malvinas (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 03:03 pm Report abuse
More pirat lies.

The only colonial status of Malvinas is the one it has had ever since 1833.
To Argentina it´s part of Tierra del Fuego... that´s a PROVINCE not a COLONY. You tricky liers.

And @1 we deffenetly want the oil. It´s ours.
4 Crackpot (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 03:17 pm Report abuse
#3: “To Argentina it´s part of Tierra del Fuego... ”

Absolutely correct! Well done! However, to EVERYONE else its the Falkland Islands (whatever some Spanish-speaking countries might want to call it) and a British Overseas Territory.
5 Islas Malvinas (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 03:24 pm Report abuse
@ 4 EVERYONE expect the American Continent, 133 Countries + China...

There´s even a request for the EU Parliament to recognize the real situation of Malvinas, a territory in dispute and not an over seas territory. If the EU considers that, you´ll loos the best support you have sofar...

Everyone in the Uk, you mean?
6 Crackpot (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 03:33 pm Report abuse
#5:
Please provide one shred of evidence showing that any country in the world (other than Argentina) says that the Falkland Islands are a part of Argentina.

Many might say they are a territory in dispute, but ALL countries recognise that thay are currently a British Overseas Territory (that is indisputable, because the UK currently administers the Islands and Argentina doesn't).
7 Islas Malvinas (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 03:36 pm Report abuse
@6 Don´t be blind.
8 Crackpot (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 03:39 pm Report abuse
#7:
Evidence please?
9 Pugol-H (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 03:43 pm Report abuse
The EU will recognise first and formost the right to self detirmination, as it does with Giberalta, who now have 2 Euro MPs, notice how quiet the spanish are on the subject. Falkland Island Euro MPs to follow. What price democracy.
10 Rubino84 (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 03:46 pm Report abuse
Sorry Jan Cheek, you already are a colony from Britain, Malvinas are part of the province of Tierra del Fuego, Antártida e Islas del Atlántico Sur...
11 Islas Malvinas (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 03:52 pm Report abuse
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrIKK0ZDiGg

Brazil: ”What´s the geographical, political, economical explanation for the UK to be in Malvinas (Note they say Malvinas)? What´s the political explanation for the UN not to have determined and affirmed yet that there´s no other possibility than Argentina being the owner of Malvinas, instead of a country 14.000 km away? Is it perhaps that the UK permanent membership of the Security Council that allows the UK to do whatever the UK wants and the rest can do nothing?”

Just one single example... If you want more, you can open you eyes.
12 Conqueror (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 03:58 pm Report abuse
I am 62 years old and I have a back injury that means I need daily strong medication. But, if you can get me there, for as long as I can breathe and aim an assault rifle, no Argentine scumbag will set foot on British/Falkland Islands territory. I am also more than happy to rip a bayonet through Argentine guts and spill them on the ground. But I do have a condition. Argentine scumbags shouldn't be buried in British/Falkland Islands territory. Fertiliser or dumped at sea!
13 Islas Malvinas (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 04:04 pm Report abuse
@12 Very nice words. Thank you.
14 Nightingale (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 04:08 pm Report abuse
The right to self determination is the key point...And untill the Argentinians take a less aggressive stance then the islanders will never side with them ,hence never legally own the islands
15 O gara (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 04:09 pm Report abuse
I always worried about you Conqueror you seem such a pained individual. I guess its the medication i always wondered how much pain you were in.Poor fellow tell us about your injury a problem shared is a problem halved they say.I would recomment some of the hospitals in Buenos Aires if that old bankrupt NHS isnt able to look after you anymore.And you know its not going to get better for you as England goes down the tubes. The nurses in BA are a lot prettier too than those ugly ones in your country.They are very good and the sunshine will help.Do take care
crackpot I quote
“To everyone else its the Falkland islands whatever some Spanish speaking nations might want to call it”
Well you are a contradiction all right crackpot
16 johnfarrel2050 (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 04:12 pm Report abuse
It is very clear that Falkland Islands are Argentinian. Studying a little of history and geography, is enough to realize of that. Of course, in the world some countries believe that have good reasons to steal territories (England) but really only have the military power to impose their interests.
A lot of people around the world in different countries and several continents agree with this positions. It is very known that the arguments of UK are too week. However, as in most of other situations, sooner or later the truth will prevail.
17 Nightingale (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 04:14 pm Report abuse
Argie health care...is that available the the huge population of the slums around the city ...hmmmmmmmmm
18 Crackpot (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 04:16 pm Report abuse
#11:
He is just reiterating that a dispute exists. His personal opinion is simply that they SHOULD be part of Argentina (show me official goverment policy recognising Argentinian sovereignty over the islands). There's a very good reason why the UN has not determined that the Islands are part of Argentina - that is not their job. The UN decolonisation committee's job is to decolonise and not to dictate transfer of terriory from one state to another. Decolonisation = either full independence, free association or intergration (but critically, this is the choice of the population and not some aggressive third party).

He does not say that he thinks the islands are an integral part of Argentina. If any countries really did think that, then they would give Argentina some more solid support rather than simply pandering to the crazy rantings of Ms Botox.

p.s. According to the Lisbon treaty, the EU considers the FI to be a BOT.
19 Pugol-H (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 04:19 pm Report abuse
Just like Giberalta, with the right to pettition the European Court of Human Rights.
20 Islas Malvinas (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 04:26 pm Report abuse
@18 I give up with you. There´no wore blind than the one that don´t want to see.
21 O gara (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 04:29 pm Report abuse
Nightengale you really should meet up with Elaine imagine the CRACKPOTS you too would create lol maybe a threesome
22 Hermes1967 (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 04:33 pm Report abuse
“The only talks of interest to Argentina are those which have only one possible outcome; namely the hand over of the Falkland Islands against the clearly expressed wishes of their people.”

INCORRECT.

Negotiations for certain could lead to an outcome that is mutually beneficial and this could take any number possible manifestations that would insure the uninterrupted continuation of the government of the islanders and their way of life.

What we want, primarily, is a recognition in the form of a bilateral treaty that

1. Clearly and jointly states that the islands were wrongly seized by the British on the grounds of indefensible historical claim, (which Britain has already done as much in changing the basis of their claim from historical grounds to prescription),

2. Jointly recognizes a dispute exists where both nations have valid points,

3. Britain agrees to legally empower the FIG to represent themselves in the matter, and

4. Britain and Argentina agree to enter 3-way discussions with the FIG to find mutually-agreeable solutions.

Right now all sides are so polarized and hardened that no one even knows what each side really wants or how much they're willing to give to compromise and reach a peaceful conclusion. Refusing to sit down and discuss is a continuation of the same failure of diplomacy that led to war in the first place, a tragic and illegal war that could have been prevented. I disagree that an outright handover is the only possible outcome Argentina would accept from the process I stated above. Possible options could include:

- Transfer of sovereignty with leaseback.
- Recognition of RG sovereignty with Brit land purchase back-dated to 1833.
- Partitioned jurisdictions where some areas will be british and some will be argentine
- Recognition of mutual sovereignty through independence and joint free associated state status

There are so many options for peaceful resolution. None can happen without honest discussion between the three parties.
23 johnfarrel2050 (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 04:35 pm Report abuse
It is very known that some countries (UK) have more power to impose its ideas (for example, military power, economic power, relations with other countries to obtain this power, among others), but it´s clear the weakness of the arguments to justify the steal territories. The Falkland Island is only an example of a very long list of territories stole by UK. Some of them were returned. However, the real and main reason to avoid returning the Falkland Island to Argentina, is because they have oil to be extracted.
24 J.A. Roberts (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 04:48 pm Report abuse
Islas Malvinas, you make me laugh. Tierra del Fuego did not become an Argentine province until 1990, and was not even a recognised part of Argentina in 1833, the frontiers with Chile were not even fully agreed until the 1970s. What a load of tosh, the FI being part of TFI. That's like the King of Spain saying he is also King of Jerusalem. A nice bit of fantasy.
25 Raul (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 05:07 pm Report abuse
12 Conqueror
Act your lines in another article, you treat enemies of humanity to the entire MERCOSUR.
Do you realize that you've spent 62 years and the rest of your life, full of hatred and bitterness? What would the Argentines had four British invasion? In 1806-1807-1833 and ”Forced Return of the November 20, 1845.
What would the rest of the world in the UK in 500 years of history, their stories of colonialism, genocide, liberalism and imperialism?

Give yourself a chance to yourself, leave the hatred and bitterness.
With your way of thinking, all humanity is against you.
There is another betting humanity to peace and harmony, human rights and are just beside you, and you have not noticed with your 62 years of life. Confuse weakness with caution.
I recommend the following article.

www.serpaj.org/
www.adolfoperezesquivel.org
www.cuestionmalvinas.com.ar
observatoriomalvinasunla.blogspot.com/

22 Hermes1967
Good proposal. A good start. The world is demanding a dialogue. This action can implement resolution 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37 / 9), 1983 (38/12) 1984 (39 / 6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). All United Nations and annually dictates the decolonization committee, also United Nations.
26 Domingo (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 05:13 pm Report abuse
@#22. Hermes, you miss the option that the time for negotiation is over and that Argentina must take it's claim to the UN International Court of Justice.

IF everybody knows the Malvinas are Argentine as Argentina claims and IF the burden of proof supports Argentina as Argentina claims and IF the burden of proof cannot be substantiated by the British counterclaim and IF the UN Treaty does not cover the case of the Falkland Islands as a Non-Self-Governing-Territory as Argentina claims, then Argentina need negotiate nothing and Argentina wins everything

I admit, that's a lot of IFs! - Apologies if I left any IFs out - Then perhaps the Argentina's claims are as certain as Argentina would like?

The lady doth protest to much, methinks
27 Raul (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 05:33 pm Report abuse
Dear Domingo.

England will never accept the International Court of Justice because doing so will automatically recognize that there is a sovereignty dispute with Argentina.
The International Court of Justice shall immediately send the proceedings of the Committee on decolonization conflict the United Nations, which is the most appropriate body for interpreting and understanding the concepts of colonization and imperialism, its historical contexts and social processes, and has already studied and reviewed extensively and bought the arguments of both Argentina and the UK finally failed and it is a sovereignty dispute and self-determination. Just note that in the Malvinas Question General Assembly of the United Nations included this doctrine - the principle of territorial integrity by referring to the interests and NOT the wishes of the population of the islands - in its resolution 2065 (XX) 1965, later confirmed by other resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37 / 9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39 / 6), 1985 (40/21) 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute and reaffirm resolution 2065 (XX) Parties (Argentina and the United Kingdom).
In addition, every year, the Committee of the United Nations decolonization finds a resolution applying the criteria of Resolution 2065 of 1965 and it clearly states that sovereignty dispute. NO self-determination
The International Court of Justice is based on their judgments of the Decolonization Committee of the UN. Remember that the international court of justice and decolonization committee United Nations is supranational. Both have a lot of international prestige and complement each other.
thanks
28 Monty69 (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 05:42 pm Report abuse
27 Raul
Your problem, Raul, is that our interests and our wishes are the same thing.
We know this, the UK recognises it too. How can it be in anyone's best interests to be colonised against their wishes?

As far as I'm concerned, you can have talks tomorrow. We could all turn up, say our piece and go away again. It wouldn't get you anywhere though, would it.

You're all completely full of nonsense. I keep asking you how you plan to subdue an unwilling population and not one of you can come up with any kind of answer.
And you can keep your 'peace and harmony' speech- utter hypocrisy.
29 fermin (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 05:44 pm Report abuse
OMG! These words at the article are VERY funny.

“In an ideal world, of course disputes should be settled by talking. Unfortunately the only talks of interest to Argentina are those which have only one possible outcome”. This is nothing but an apologetic statement of war, of colonialism, of invasion. If We are gonna wait for the world to be IDEAL to do things right we are certainly not gonna live in a better world.

And if the world is not IDEAL it is in part because of the grabbing of natural resources by neo-colonialism.

Who can believe that Brazil, Uruguay and Paraguay are acting under pressure? I see COOPERATION there, for a common cause, and under real convictions.

Who can believe that the presence of the UK authorities at the Malvinas is because of protection? This is colonialism, and not even a modern one. This makes me laugh.

Argentina will GO ON claiming, and doing it in a PACIFIC way, exposing serious fundaments, and this is what will go on driving mad the little group of lazy bankers and oil distributors that are making money of colonialism. They do not care about flags, they do not even care about british or argentinian. They do not even care about the pounds that common people use for exchange every day. They get gold, lands, shares at companies...

Argentina will go on claiming in a DIPLOMATIC attitude, even when conditions are not FAIR at the UN itself. All this self-determination fairy tale is like trying to hide the sun covering it with just a finger.
30 O gara (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 05:53 pm Report abuse
Monty.the realities are of course as.England.and the rest of Europe declines and Argentina and the rest of South America enforces a blockade money will talk.The city only interest is in finance and your country while publickly a democracy is run by tge city of London.
31 Monty69 (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 05:55 pm Report abuse
29 fermin
''This is nothing but an apologetic statement of war, of colonialism, of invasion.''
No it isn't, you ignoramus.
This is referring to the fact that your constitution has a piece in it about your 'rights' to the Falkland Islands, and therefore predetermines the outcome of any negotiations.
This is not a 'diplomatic' attitude. In fact it precludes any attempt at diplomacy. It's a bully boy tactic and it won't work.
32 Crackpot (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 05:59 pm Report abuse
#22:
I love point number one and the request for recongnition of wrongdoing and Briatin admitting an indefensible claim - absolutely hilarious. Sounds like some pathetic macho face-saving exercise to me.

I notice that you don't consider full independence to be one of the possible options. That really shows that you have no consideration for the rights of the Islanders whatsoever.
33 O gara (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 06:01 pm Report abuse
Did the English consider the wishes of those in Hong Kong
34 Nightingale (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 06:02 pm Report abuse
@21 “Nightengale you really should meet up with Elaine imagine the CRACKPOTS you too would create lol maybe a threesome ” .....some people can debate some people resort to insults....But after seeing some of CFK rants about the Falklands ,perhaps its a trait in argentinians
35 Crackpot (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 06:09 pm Report abuse
#20:
Just trying to provide you with a few options that might actually work, because the current track being followed by Argentina is just a road to nowhere. At the end of the day, it's all down to the Islanders' wishes and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WILL CHANGE until you appreciate that. You really do need to think outside of the box a bit if you do want to make any progress. Any suggestions involving partial or full Argentinian sovereignty that do not include the islander's wishes will NEVER work. Full stop, end of story. If you want to carry on pissing in the wind, then fine, but why bother.

All the historical arguments are really pointless, because many of them are so vague (and I'm including both sides there) and have become distorted over time.
36 Nightingale (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 06:12 pm Report abuse
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeetJJNAeDk&feature=related do the islanders want to be part of argentinas “booming ” economy....
37 Cruzansailor (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 06:12 pm Report abuse
Mercosur, the joke of the south led by my imperialist aspiring home country, Argentina. My fellow citizens are so deluded into thinking that The Falkland/Malvinas belong to them. And then our imbecilic plastic faced leader whipped everyone into a frenzy in Montevideo, while her Undersecretary of Commerce killed himself with Auto Erotic Asphyxiation in his lovely hotel suite at the Radison in MoVi.
www.expatdailynewslatinamerica.com/2011/12/mercomess-in-montevideo-and-president.html
38 Crackpot (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 06:15 pm Report abuse
#33:
As you well know, that was a competely different situation. Most of the territory of Hong Kong was on a 99 year lease and is was not viable to retain the bit that wasn't leased when it expired.
And, of course, the environment was totally different. China had always been far more reasonable in recognising the legitimacy of Hong Kong compared with Argentina's attitude to the FI. Maybe Argentina should take a leaf out of their book.
39 ed (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 06:25 pm Report abuse
(#) 36 Amigo
Here is a You Tube addicted again.

Where did you find this name from ?
Florance Nightingale was famous English nurse's name.
40 Nightingale (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 06:37 pm Report abuse
Your knowledge of nurses is very amazing
41 ed (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 06:48 pm Report abuse
(#) 40 Amigo ( a ?)
No, I have no any interest for nurses.
42 fermin (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 06:58 pm Report abuse
@31 Monty69: The fact that the Argentinian position is predetermined doesn't make the attitude less diplomatic. Have you got any idea of what diplomacy is?

Diplomacy is not something to solve problems that are already predetermined to be solved, it is a community to solve problems in a way a little bit more pacific and respectful for HUMAN RIGHTS than war. But I guess the UK doesn't have a long history of solving problems in a pacific way.

What should the UK expect to leave the armed position? An expression of recognition on the “self-determination” from Argentina? What would diplomacy be useful then?? That is what you would expect to start diplomacy? FUNNY! :D

So in stead of calling me ignoramus look at yourself in the mirror. The government of the “Falklands” is illegal, is disrespectful for the UN resolutions and it is not interested in discussing anything that compromises the grabbing of natural resources. This has nothing to do with protecting anything but the few families that assure the local colonial order at Malvinas.

The wishes of the islanders are the wishes of colonialism! because they are part of it.

They are as british as a londoner, so what are British doing in this side f the world if not grabbing resources??

What is this crazy idea about british islanders being something different from the ones in the North?

The UK is DISRESPECTFUL for International Cooperation, the UN every year is establishing that there has to be a dialogue. This IS being NOT DIPLOMATIC. So saying that the Argentina is not well... it is really mental. At least accept that the position os the UK is really based on weapons of war.

DIPLOMACY does not suit a warrior colonial power, even if it is in decadence.
43 Monty69 (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
42 fermin
Are you actually frothing at the mouth as you're typing? Because it sounds like it.
You don't know anything at all about Falkland Islanders, our government or our way of life, and parading that ignorance makes you look like a complete tool.
Argentina does not recognis the FIG so how can it be resposible for not discussing anything?
FIG is not illegal in any way. If it were, the UK as administering power would have something to say about it. Either way, it's none of your business.
And Falkland Islanders are not the same as 'ones in the North' and a cursory glance at the census, or the fact that some families have been here for 150 years, would tell you.
''As British as a Londoner''???? .....good grief

The position of the UK is based on defending British citizens from alien domination and subjugation. End of.
44 Rufus (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 07:46 pm Report abuse
@27 Raul - You do know that the UK has had numerous cases that have gone to the ICJ, dating back all the way to Corfu Channel incident of 1946. As far as I'm aware, they've adhered to every judgement that involved them.
Can Argentina say the same? Not thinking of any paper mills in particular...
45 fermin (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 07:47 pm Report abuse
Hey I need to get to work, but you can read this:

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/feb/25/falklands-britains-expensive-nuisance

@ 43: Your soberb shows the level of self-esteme you have. In stead of going on and on pointing at me as a tool/fool/ignorant play fair and show facts!

The ignorant position is the british one, ignoring the argentinians, the LatinAmericans, the UN resolutions... That is IGNORANCE, to ignore what the International Community is saying.

The self-determination is like wanting to be british but not completely so that there is no official colonialism.

Colonialism is not ok. And I would like you Monty to say something about colonialism, to talk about REAL problems in this world, not about fairy tales that have nothing to do with the interests and the desires that move the governments, the societies and the world.

I would like to know what you think about the ­neo-imperialist rightwingers in London, about their story in the UK and their past. Because the ones in London supporting self-determination are not the ones who care for human rights/peace/diplomacy/workers/public education/etc.

Have you got any answer that doesn't go like “we are self-determinating ourselves and we do what we want”?
46 ed (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 07:59 pm Report abuse
Neither Argentina nor all other Latin countries have been colonialist.
Argentina just claims these islands are the part of it's own ,not colony.
Colony is a term of British sub-consciousness.What a faux pas.!
47 Hermes1967 (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 08:08 pm Report abuse
@26 Domingo, the UK does not accept ICJ jurisdiction for claims arising after 1974. We'd love to go to ICJ. Britain however sits on the security council permanently, so even if Britain agreed, it would also have to abide by a potential ruling against it. The impediments to going to ICJ are not imposed by Argentina, but by Britain.

That's a lot of IF's, and they all happen to be substantiated with the facts. No empty claims here. The lady doth protest indeed - and hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

@Monty your rights and interests are one thing, but your right to determine your political future does not grant you the right to distort your political PAST. That is what this is about. The international right to self-determination is equally valid to you whether you are a dependent territory of Britain or Argentina; it makes no difference, you have that right to self-determination either way. If you read the constitution closely it clearly states that recuperation is limited in scope, namely, that it must be done in a way that complies with international law - and self-determination is one such right. The constitution also provides for any territory seeking independence from Argentina to exercise that right. We do not seek to quash islanders' rights to determine their own future - we only seek to redress the wrongs done to us in the past.

@32 of course I consider full independence (from Argentina) as an option. I think it would be a step forward and something I would actually welcome - kills 2 birds with one stone.
48 geo (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 09:03 pm Report abuse
dear aunt Jan Cheek

i see a picture beneath of yours which says “” the true story from titanic”
written by S.Millar...describes you ??
THEN
i do want to write a true story from History

-- 1776/ British expelled from the region

-- 1806/ British attack on to invade La Plata

--1807/ British are expelled from this region again

--1811-15/ Spaniards withdrawn from the region

-- 1831 / British uses US warship to destroy the islands

--1833 / British invade the islands the revenge of 1806/07 .
49 Pugol-H (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 09:14 pm Report abuse
48- There is no truth in that version of history, end of.

47- Redressing wrongs in the past (whether real, percived or imagined) is a very 2 edged sword, look @ argentinian history since 1833.
50 geo (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 09:28 pm Report abuse
** 49 Pugol

you didn't like the History Science ?
THEN
i advice to you the Economy Science ....!!
51 xbarilox (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 09:37 pm Report abuse
Can anyone in Argentina prove that the islands belong to Argentina? documents perhaps? papers? nothing more than feelings, imagination, fairytales, fictions, as usual in this country, everything is based on fanatism, sentimentalism, wishes. that's all. Perón, Evita, Maradona, Néstor and Cristina, cut that sh*t off and Argentina's history will be history. BORING. Malvinas, a fictional place.
52 Pugol-H (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 09:52 pm Report abuse
Not difficult these days to check if a version of history is true, or a misrepesentation.
We are yet to see the full picture of the “Economy Science”, but so far so good and still a long way to go.
53 xbarilox (#) Dec 23rd, 2011 - 09:59 pm Report abuse
@ 52 Not so long, I think these British politicians are doing the wrong thing, they must have talks with those idiots in the Casa Rosada so we can finally see the end of this ridiculous story of the Malvinas Islands.
54 Lord Ton (#) Dec 24th, 2011 - 12:26 am Report abuse
There are two courts of arbitration. Either would do. Argentina has never asked to take any of its issues with the UK to either.

The UK attempted to take Argentina to the ICJ over the Antarctic territories, South Georgia etc, but Argentina refused to recognise the jurisdiction of the ICJ.

Argentina's record at accepting the decisions of arbitration is not good.

Neither the UN, nor its sub-sub-Committee, the C24 ,has any authority to resolve matters of sovereignty.

Argentina will not go to arbitration, and the UN cannot assist. Argentina has nowhere to go.
55 briton (#) Dec 24th, 2011 - 12:55 am Report abuse
you argie bargies are getting more desperate by the day,
come the new year it will re-start all over again,
and the falklands are still british.
56 kelperabout (#) Dec 24th, 2011 - 02:01 am Report abuse
10 Rubino84 (# If you want to be a critic sugesting that we are a colony of UK for a moment stop and think what you are saying jerk. Your so called country Argentina was and still is in the eyes of the world a colony of Spain as it is they who created you. But of course in this world those little details are not important are they 10 Rubino84 (# because the one thing that you argies seem to always make the same mistake about is that unlike us Islanders you stole your so called country from a native peole while our ancestors came here and settled an empt land. In the eyes of the world that makes you a barbarian so tell me why should we condede what we rightfully own to you. Seems that the vast majority of comments in this article boil down to the same argument. What is it that you and your country can offer us that could remotely start to seed any doubts as to who we want to be. Get real 10 Rubino84 (# we are a people and have been living here for nearly 200 years so wher eis your stupid argument CHE !
57 Pugol-H (#) Dec 24th, 2011 - 02:27 am Report abuse
When the British arrived in the south atlantic, they found a region which was unhabited,unexplored and unclaimed. The same can not be said for Argentina. This is true.
58 johnfarrel2050 (#) Dec 24th, 2011 - 06:10 am Report abuse
The Falkland Island is one of the the lot of territories stolen by UK. All the people know that this country (UK) has a long list of territories stolen. Most of them for different reasons some day were returned. However UK didn´t returned the Falkland Islands yet. Because it is possible that some oil can be extracted there. All impartial people know that UK doesn´t have valid arguments to steal these territories. The arguments of UK are too weak to be believed. You need to know that there are a lot of people in several countries and continents that have realized of that since a long time ago.
59 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 24th, 2011 - 06:43 am Report abuse
”Buenos Aires only accepts one outcome of talks: “turning Falklands into an Argentine colony”

Ms Cheek
If only you could hear yourselves. YOU COLONIZED a third of the planet. You have no rights over anywhere, you own noyhing. Even the unfortunate countries stuck to you i.e Scotland and Wales dont want to be part of your (once upon a time) empire anymore. GET OVER YOURSELVES and keep your nose out of everybody else's business. As individual's im sure some of you are fine but as a collective nation, your despised around the world!
60 Lord Ton (#) Dec 24th, 2011 - 07:50 am Report abuse
#58 - bad case of gas there JF - repeating yourself like that !

#59 - don't exaggerate, we only colonosied 25% of the planet. We left 75% alone, but hey .... there's still time :-)
61 Domingo (#) Dec 24th, 2011 - 07:52 am Report abuse
@59: Marcos, if only you could hear yourself. The present day Falkland Islanders colonized nothing so your venom is misdirected

You are having a tantrum crying crocodile tears with faux rage about hundreds of years of history, where many European empires acted in the same or worse ways, not least the Spanish and Portuguese Empires and then you use your own stereotype to confirm your rage. Get over yourself Marcos and be nice - it is Christmas. Try some goodwill for once in your life. You could even try forgiving your enemies but perhaps that is all too Christian for you?

@47: From what you say it sounds that CFK has a win-win situation in making Argentina's claim at the UN International Court of Justice. If Great Britain refuses then Argentina wins the moral authority in terms of attempting to settle the dispute but if Great Britain agrees then Argentina wins the case anyway.

Sounds like win-win for Argentina to me. I can't see the downside. And all this achieved within international law and without political and economic persecution of the innocent Falkland Islanders

It's almost as if the people who wrote the UN Treaty knew what they were doing. Amazing.

Just a thought. And here's another one: feliz Natal to one and all
62 zethe (#) Dec 24th, 2011 - 10:54 am Report abuse
“Sounds like win-win for Argentina to me. I can't see the downside. ”

I can quite clearly see the major down side. When the case goes to court and sides with the islanders(The ICJ is not going to forcibly subjugate these people, it's just not going to happen. Ever.). This is why Argentina won't take it to court. It would be final - something they can't accept. So there current tactic is to just make loads of noise and hope that this will make the UK change it's mind. Which it wont. Ever.
63 lsolde (#) Dec 24th, 2011 - 11:34 am Report abuse
Merry Christmas everyone. Oh and you silly malvinistas too, merry christmas.♥♥♥♥.
64 FViera (#) Dec 24th, 2011 - 02:11 pm Report abuse
There should be a way to transfer soverenty to Argentina while keeping the Islands self determination. Then, in 5 or 10 years allow the islands to be independent. It's that simple everyone wins
65 ElaineB (#) Dec 24th, 2011 - 04:21 pm Report abuse
@64 Better still let them stay as they are; as the Islanders wish.
66 briton (#) Dec 24th, 2011 - 05:21 pm Report abuse
31 geo
You may well be the greatest self imposed expert in the world,
But sadly not with the truth, ?

Kiplin, you are perhaps another troll, impersonating another person,
We are not fooled, and the CIA are watching you, and your cakes.

[johnfarrel2050]
We much be weary of this indocrinaught,
, ,, he may well be a Korean indoctrinated argie student,
Just out of brainwashing school, his brain is confused with deluded thought of granular,
If you pass this human, please do not feed,
Thank you,

64 FViera sadly argentina could never be trusted, they have re-peatedly shown that they know not, how to honour and agreement,
as Elaine - says, it best be left alone .
67 Pugol-H (#) Dec 24th, 2011 - 06:06 pm Report abuse
Actually the British colonised 5/16ths of the world surface,1/3rd the population. Which we did give back or grant independance to . The falklands fall into the second group, as they were in the firstplace british territory. They were recoverd by the british several times in history but never stolen!
68 geo (#) Dec 24th, 2011 - 06:26 pm Report abuse
Alex Salmond ....!!

do you read the these comments ... don't you ??

English will accept , .......as you wish / left alone ....!!
69 briton (#) Dec 24th, 2011 - 06:29 pm Report abuse
68 geo
And will you except when Argentina breaks up into little pieces
absorbed into parts of Chile and brazil
70 geo (#) Dec 24th, 2011 - 07:02 pm Report abuse
** 69 brit

no ! i don' t expect... !
BECOUSE
America ( new) continent is not Europe..
These countries almost all migration countries have melting functions
don't have seperated settled ethnical regions..
71 briton (#) Dec 24th, 2011 - 07:16 pm Report abuse
mmmmmm
Perhaps Argentina should put differences aside,
And join with the British, and become
British Argentina, think of all the benefits,
And no baggage .
72 geo (#) Dec 24th, 2011 - 07:24 pm Report abuse
you did a christmas joke...!!
73 briton (#) Dec 24th, 2011 - 07:29 pm Report abuse
maybe possably
but a christmas cracker perhaps,
they have good jokes inside,
74 lsolde (#) Dec 24th, 2011 - 08:03 pm Report abuse
@71 briton,
lt's been suggested before, but:-
Do we really want to inherit all their problems?
75 geo (#) Dec 24th, 2011 - 08:37 pm Report abuse
i prefer walnut/ dry grape/cinnamon added cake +tea = great pleasure
76 briton (#) Dec 25th, 2011 - 01:36 am Report abuse
74 lsolde you may well be right,
after all it would be a step backwards, would it not .
77 Eddieposted (#) Dec 25th, 2011 - 11:26 am Report abuse
11 Islas Malvinas (#)
It's ironic to hear a Brazilian spouting about colonialism when they have the French colony of French Guiana 0 miles from Brazil.
78 briton (#) Dec 25th, 2011 - 09:08 pm Report abuse
they may be doing dirty deals with the french, even as we talk.

never trust the french, they keep turning arround .
79 JuanchoBeGood (#) Dec 25th, 2011 - 10:46 pm Report abuse
Colony? what the hell is this news agency is talking about. we want to turn it in part of our nation like it was 200 years ago. we know that the brittish put their people there and now they believe that they are natives of that land or something like that, but we have been claming those lands for years. we see them more as a colony of the brittish empire in our soil. I hope that you guys understand we have for years a bad relationship with the united kingdom.
80 Lord Ton (#) Dec 26th, 2011 - 01:22 am Report abuse
Its never been a part of your nation.

We noticed your bad attitude, in 1982. We don'r care.

The Islanders' ahve the right to choose.

Nothing Argentina can do.

falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/falklands-history.pdf
81 briton (#) Dec 26th, 2011 - 03:07 am Report abuse
79 JuanchoBeGood you just admitted it then
you look apon it as a british colony
but you would like it as an argentina colony,
hypercrite to the last .
82 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 26th, 2011 - 09:43 am Report abuse
this british illegal aliens seem to think white people are above the laws, I feel sad that britain uses this pirats to theft resources from other nations as they do now in Libya with the oil, there is nothing new under the sun, if you all want to see what the british illegal aliens pretends, we just look at their culture and history.
83 Eddieposted (#) Dec 26th, 2011 - 12:14 pm Report abuse
82 Pirat-Hunter
The argentines are white europeans who invaded south america to steal the land and resources of the brown indigenous native americans.
And they won't be allowed to steal the land and resources of the Falkland Islanders.
84 Michael Ivinheim (#) Dec 26th, 2011 - 02:47 pm Report abuse
The Isle of Wight was never a British colony simply by virtue of its proximity to the English mainland. This is the whole crux of the argument. The Argentine demand is that the Falklands be returned to Argentina as part of the province of Tierra del Fuego, and this demand was first made in 1884.

It has always been a wonder to me that the Falkland Islands if they are so British and within Britain's sphere of interest should not long ago have been incorporated into the county of Hampshire.

One final point on this matter of proximity. The people of the Falklands should they have no say in any negotiations. They are not full British citizens, they are mere colonists. In the 19th century, Britain conceded the point to Germany, when returning the island of Heligoland to the Germans, that the proximity of the island to Germany was such that conflict was eventually bound to arise between Britain and Germany over the island. The same argument applies to the Falklands, and the Heligoland solution is the best for the majority of people involved in this long drawn out conflict of interests.

Unfortunately it is now the wealth of the islands which endear them to the British Government, not the inhabitants.
85 Eddieposted (#) Dec 26th, 2011 - 03:22 pm Report abuse
The Isle of Wight is 2 miles from England , the Falklands are 300 miles from argentina and were never part of argentina - no comparison.

The Falkland Islanders have the UN right if self determination and “by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development” and they freely choose to retain the links with the UK as is their right.
86 Pugol-H (#) Dec 26th, 2011 - 04:24 pm Report abuse
1884, so just after the paraguyan war and the conquest of the desert, easy to see which stable it comes from.
Proximity, island of Trinadad is 6 miles from the coast Venezuela, but its not part of venezuela or south america, its the carribean. The issue is not goegraphy or geology it is geopolitical.
87 Monty69 (#) Dec 26th, 2011 - 05:18 pm Report abuse
84 Michael Ivinheim
The Falkland islands are not 'so British'; we're just not Argentine. We don't have the same language or culture and we just don't want you, sorry.
We are full British citizens.
What is a 'mere colonist' anyway? Eeew, more slightly sicky racist rhetoric from the Argentine camp. Merry Christmas to you too.
88 lsolde (#) Dec 26th, 2011 - 08:40 pm Report abuse
@84MI,
Get lost, silly malvinista. Sort out your own mess before trying to tell other people what to do.
ldiota. You just want our resources & can't get over your DEFEAT in 1982.♥
89 Pugol-H (#) Dec 26th, 2011 - 09:07 pm Report abuse
Important point that. As far as the British Goverment is concerned the recources of the Islands (re-newable & non-renewable) Belong to the Islanders. What is CFKs position on that.
90 briton (#) Dec 27th, 2011 - 01:37 am Report abuse
so how would France and Spain, solve the problem of Andora then,

thats if any argies even know where it is .lol
91 Pugol-H (#) Dec 27th, 2011 - 01:57 am Report abuse
Andora is not a problem. official language is Catalan, in EU these issues are not a cause for war. Neither Spain nor France will invade.
92 briton (#) Dec 27th, 2011 - 02:57 am Report abuse
thus Argentina should take a leaf out of their books
93 Philippe (#) Dec 27th, 2011 - 12:59 pm Report abuse
Dear Jan Cheek:
There is not the shadow of a doubt of everything you say!
God save the Falklands from Argentinian nazi-fascism.

Philippe
94 Cero (#) Dec 27th, 2011 - 08:13 pm Report abuse
PETER PRESTON, THE GUARDIAN, UK: “IT MAKES NO ECONOMIC OR POLITICAL SENSE TO HANG ON TO THE FALKLANDS, BUT NO ONE WILL FACE THE TRUTH”
MORE: www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/nov/14/falklands-economic-crisis-politics-argentina
95 Livingthedream (#) Dec 27th, 2011 - 10:11 pm Report abuse
Oh keep your ranting to your soccer fields !
96 Eddieposted (#) Dec 27th, 2011 - 11:00 pm Report abuse
94
You posted an old anti-Falklands article by a left wing anti British writer in a left wing anti British newspaper.
Be aware that minority opposing views are allowed in a democracy like the UK.
But if you read the comments - you will find that even the left wing anti British Guardian readers totally support the Falkland Islanders and their UN right of self determination.
Own goal!
97 Livingthedream (#) Dec 28th, 2011 - 12:56 am Report abuse
@ 12 Mr Conqueror I’m also fast approaching old age and my back is killing me too but I’d rather think about a good bottle of Kentucky bourbon and nice plump, curvy ladys. As far as where I would stick my bayonet.. well.. look at number two on my list.
Having this chat in a pub somewhere would be much more fun
98 OZZYOBE (#) Dec 28th, 2011 - 05:56 am Report abuse
OK lets say Argentina get the Falklands back. The people their will then still push for self rule that means they do not want to be under Argentina rule. So back to this situation the only difference is that they can speak out for themselves under British protection under Argentinian rule they would be looking out for government hit squat to silence them. SO here it is in a nut shell there is no argument no discussion and like every man jack in the UK if war is what you want so be it. And me and my family have to move there to make sure its protected so be it. no arguments you say it was your but you did nothing with it when you so called had it basically you abandon it and now it show some worth by people unhindered for century you want to take it. The argument over the speck of land will not solve Argentina's problems I think your county is big enough, it seems your bulling and spoiling for a fight shame on you all.
99 lsolde (#) Dec 28th, 2011 - 08:48 am Report abuse
Hey Argentines,
New Year's Resolutions.
1)Try not to swear at stupid malvinistas.
2)Ooops, don't call them stupid, even though they are extremely stupid.
3)Tell them again & again,
THERE WILL BE NO NEGOTIATIONS ON SOVEREIGNTY.
Happy New Year, All♥♥♥♥
100 Cero (#) Dec 29th, 2011 - 03:58 am
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101 briton (#) Dec 29th, 2011 - 09:00 pm Report abuse
100 Cero [if only you told the truth
alas your silly blogg gets deleted,
wolf in sheeps cloathing, springs to mind.
baa.
102 kelperabout (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 12:51 am Report abuse
Over 100 comments on this subject and we are still british. A billion comments won't change it either. 1000 years won't either. Get used to it Argentina we are Proud to be British and more proud to be Falkland Islanders living our dream in a democratic way we chose to live.
You could not persuade us in 1982 what makes you think you can change our wish now.
103 briton (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 09:00 pm Report abuse
So now Argentina excepts she has pushed to far,
And wishes the British to consider an apology,
They now admit it was all lies, Argentina want no trouble,
Her bloggers are dreaming again,
Rack it up
.
104 Livingthedream (#) Dec 31st, 2011 - 12:57 am Report abuse
Are the people of these Islands considered South Americans? I guess since they’re British they speak English but geographically are they in South America?
105 briton (#) Dec 31st, 2011 - 01:01 am Report abuse
They are in the southern hemisphere.
But are not South Americans,
No more than South Africa or NZ or Australia are.
I think you will find this correct,
No doubt I will be corrected if im wrong.
.

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