Tuesday, February 7th 2012 - 12:57 UTC

“There is a point where Islanders will say to the Argentines, 'To hell with you.'”

The following piece was published by The Independent, an interview of the Falkland Islands Governor Nigel Haywood by Falklands-born writer, journalist and expert in Latin American and defense affairs, Graham Bound.

Governor Haywood at his office, simple but impressive, so much that the Argentine General Menendez during the occupation did not rearrange the furniture or even take the Queen's portrait off the wall.

Fluent in Spanish, Graham was partly educated in Uruguay and has the advantage of interpreting the minds and culture of the sides involved actively or passively in the Falklands controversy: the Islanders, the British, Chileans, Argentines and Uruguay for ever sharing the mighty River Plate with its Buenos Aires neighbors, and for several centuries with the Falkland Islands.

It is remarkable to see a senior British diplomat wearing a 19th-century colonial governor's uniform. The tight breeches and tunic, decorated with yards of brocade and fore-and-aft hat covered in white rooster feathers, tend not to suit today's corpulent diplomats. But in the Falkland Islands, governors are expected to display themselves in this fashion from time to time. Nigel Haywood is the latest to face this challenge, and - fortunately for this senior diplomat who runs marathons in his spare time - he has the figure for the job.

Behind this quaint image is a man handling a job similar to that of a senior diplomat in a medium-sized country. Indeed, Mr Haywood has been just that in the recent past. He was ambassador to Estonia and Consul-General in Basra. With a population of fewer than 3,000, plus some 1,200 men and women of the Royal Navy, Army and RAF who form the Falklands' substantial deterrent, the Falklands are tiny in comparison. But the complexity of their affairs and their possible effect on British trade, diplomacy and defense are considerable.

If the Governor had been hoping for a quiet time in Port Stanley, he must have been disappointed. He and his staff of just four Foreign Office officials have become extremely preoccupied with Argentina's rapidly, and perhaps dangerously, increasing campaign to take back the Falklands. Buenos Aires has insisted it will not use force, but it has imposed a shipping blockade on the Islands, and has expressed outrage at the Duke of Cambridge's RAF posting to the garrison. Furthermore, Britain has been accused of militarizing the South Atlantic by planning to deploy a potent new destroyer to the area. As the 30th anniversary of the Falklands War approaches, the situation here is more tense than it has been at any time since 1982.

I was invited to meet Nigel Haywood at Government House, the rambling building of brick tin and timber surrounded by immaculate gardens to the west of Stanley. I had been here before and had met previous governors, most notably Sir Rex Hunt, who came under a ferocious Argentine attack in this very building in April 1982. As I opened the door against the typically strong westerly wind, I wondered whether there were still signs of the battle. The wooden west wing where I was now had then been riddled with bullets and Argentine soldiers lay dead and wounded in the vegetable garden. But it appeared the damage had been patched and painted over.

Mr Haywood's office is comfortable, warm and dignified, with burnished old wooden furniture clustered around a coffee table at one end, and antique maps of the islands on the walls. It is said that General Menendez, the Argentine governor who deposed Sir Rex in 1982, so liked this room that he did not rearrange the furniture or even take the Queen's portrait off the wall.

We chatted about his love of trout fishing and wildlife that made him suited to such a wild place. This pleasant line of conversation was, however, elbowed away by the specter of the Argentine President, Cristina Kirchner. Surprisingly, the Governor called Mrs. Kirchner by her first name. But that did not betray any warmth towards her. Indeed feelings towards “Cristina” had become more chilly recently mainly because her gaze had settled on the Falklands' only commercial air link, the weekly Lan Chile service. This is vulnerable because it transits Argentine airspace and Cristina had said she was considering closing it down.

I asked the Governor whether he thought she would do so. He rubbed his chin thoughtfully. “How can I imagine that a country that sees itself as a major power and a member of the G20 can actually be threatening to stop an air link between two other countries?”

Mr. Haywood agreed that such a move would represent a major escalation in what is being described as the South Atlantic Cold War. He pointed out that trade between southern Chile and the Falklands, thought to be worth about £8m to the Chileans, would be reduced to zero with one swipe. “Would Chile be happy about Argentina cutting off that service? I'm hoping countries in Latin America are beginning to ask whether Argentina's attitude is now getting to a stage where their pressure is just disproportionate.

”You can see that Argentine Foreign Minister [Hector] Timerman, Jorge Argüello, the ambassador to Washington and the rest are popping up everywhere and making statements. Argentina simply makes up things and presents them as fact, which is quite extraordinary. They will raise the Falklands issue at any international meeting.“

Ambassador Argüello has taken the campaign to Twitter and his followers were being told that, ”The British military are occupying the Islands against the Islanders' wishes.“ I asked the Governor whether he followed these tweets. No, he doesn't, but he is aware of the Argentine ”facts“ circulating on the internet.

The Governor's disdain for this strategy was clear, but so was his frustration. ”If your only foreign policy appears to be 'Let's bang on about the Falklands', then that's quite difficult to handle,“ he said.

The blockade – everyone in the Falklands used the term – was the most tangible evidence of Argentine hostility. The Falklands' 20 or so ships that often needed to travel through or near Argentine territorial waters were frequently being hailed by Argentine coastguard ships and ordered to stop. The captains typically refuse, and the Argentines had not – so far, at least – enforced their demands. The Governor suggested they had shot their bolt. ”What are they going to do now?“ he said: ”Fire across the bows? That would be a massive escalation.“

So what is being done to keep the Argentines at bay? As if on cue, there was a roar of jets overhead. The Governor looked out the window, but the Euro-fighter Typhoons from Mount Pleasant had gone long before their sound waves reached the ground. He cocked his head, as if to say, ”There you have it.“

The military deterrent is more important than ever. Each of the aircraft we had just heard could take on half a dozen Argentine Skyhawks and Mirages. They might not be able to stop a sudden full-scale air-and-sea attack, but even that would be at huge expense to Argentina, especially so when the powerful new Type 45 destroyer HMS Dauntless reaches the Islands.

UK diplomacy is more nebulous. The Governor conceded this with a little sigh. ”It's quite easy for the Argentines to go to, say, Thailand, and say, 'Those Brits are occupying our Islands.' But it's very difficult to counter that.

“What we do essentially is respond, even if we are responding first. Our ambassador may say to a foreign government, 'We know this Argentine person is coming to see you, so let's give you the background.' And that careful diplomacy produces quite invisible results. If Cristina has had a bilateral with a world leader, and the Falklands do not emerge as part of the communiqué, then nothing has happened. But that might have taken quite a lot of preparation by a lot of our people.

”We have a very robust policy in support of Falkland Islanders and their right of self-determination. There is an absolutely strong UK government and institutional view that says, if the Falkland Islanders want to remain British, we'll do everything possible to support that.

“We are trying to do several things. One very obvious one is correcting misconceptions which the Argentines are planting in peoples minds about the history and about their claim, most of which simply does not stand up to analysis. There is a great deal of work going on to brief countries about the facts.”

The Governor assumes a degree of fatalism. He said the Argentines had made a “miscalculation”, and the more aggressive they became, the more Islanders and Britain would stand firm. “There is a point – and I think this Argentine government might have reached it – when the Islanders will just say, 'To hell with you. There are enough ways of connecting up the dots without involving you. We want to have links with the rest of South America, but if you're going to make it difficult, we don't care, we'll go and do something else.'”

Under a 1999 agreement, Argentina, Britain and the Falklands were to have co-operated over the exploitation of fishing and oil in the South-west Atlantic, both of which may soon make Islanders hugely wealthy. But the Argentines, it is claimed, have ripped this up. “They have said, 'No, we don't want to become rich if it means you becoming rich.' But the oil companies have found oil and if they now move on to starting to extract it, it will involve ships coming straight to the Falklands and going away again. Short of piracy, no one can stop that.”

1982 revisited: Sir Rex Hunt

As the Crown's representative in the Falkland Islands, the governor acts as the de facto head of state.

The role was established in 1764 when French settlers landed on the Islands, two years before the British, and is now usually filled by a senior diplomat with experience of overseas postings.

The most famous was Sir Rex Hunt who was governor during the Argentine invasion of 1982 and was captured by General Galtieri's forces and removed to Uruguay. Sir Rex, who has since retired to Yorkshire, was well known for traveling around the Islands in his London cab.

For many years after leaving the post in 1985, Sir Rex served as chairman of the Falkland Islands Association and wrote a book, ‘My Falkland Days’, about his time in office.
 

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1 Idlehands (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 01:19 pm Report abuse
I'm glad to see that there is starting to be a response to all this Falklands nonsense. I can't see how it can end in anything but humiliation for Kirchner in the end. She's behaving like the Black Knight in the Holy Grail.
2 AndyMac (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 02:48 pm Report abuse
That point has long gone. There is not a single islander know with a good word to say about the Argentines. To the Kelpers, the Argentines are like the Nazi's, only less intelligent. Most would sooner die that allow a repeat of 1982. This place is never going to exist under an Argentine flag. The sooner those bastards realise it the better
3 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 02:49 pm Report abuse
“It is remarkable to see a senior British diplomat wearing a 19th-century colonial governor's uniform”

There is not need to add anything else...
4 Nightingale (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 03:10 pm Report abuse
Maybe CFK should dress like the Wichi or the Toba to prove she isnt of colonial stock ;)
5 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 03:18 pm Report abuse
4 why? Did you notice that we are in the 21st century? well..you are Brit.
6 axel arg (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 03:24 pm Report abuse
The tipical pathetic victimization, and no critics for the british behaviour. The governor criticises the hard decitions of our government, but omits that they were due to the sistematic rejection of the u. k to resume the negotiations like the u. n and most international comunity signalize, hes analysis can't be more mediocre and hipocrite. Your side parrots all the time that the right to self determination is included in the charter of the u. n, and that's why you deffend it, however it's a very partial truth, because nor resolution 1514 nor the charter of the u. n, let any colonial situation to break the territorial integrity of any country, and it's one of the fundaments of our claim, read resolution 2353 that reffers the gibraltar question, and you'll know what's the thought of the charter of the u.n that you love to invoke all the time, respecting the relevancy of territorial integrity. On the other hand, none resolution asks the u. k. to transfer the sovereignty to argentina, all the resolution only call the two parts to find a peacefull solution, your problem is that you dont want any fair solution, and lie to your people, when you want the islanders to believe that the only one outcome for argentina is the transference of sovereignty to our country, but cristina said in diferent oportunities before internatinal forums that we are not asking the u. k. to recognize that the islands are argentine, we are just asking them to resume the negotiations like all the resolutions solicit, beside she clarified also a few days ago that none islanders will have to renounce to the british nationality.
So mr haywood, there is one point where all the argentines will say to hell with you, we wont never renounce to our claim, forget about it.
7 Nightingale (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 03:59 pm Report abuse
@6 Consideing the UN is powerless to stop Syrians being slaughted , is the UN in any position to dictate what to do.. Beside ICJ would be a fair way to go , but you decline that path...
8 mollymauk (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 04:30 pm Report abuse
@6 - Axel, I am glad that you recognise that colonial situations should not compromise territorial integrity. That is why we in the Falklands do not wish to become a colony of Argentina but to retain OUR territorial integrity. Your country did not exist until 1816 - my home in the Falklands was British in 1775. You have no territorial integrity to recover in our islands. We keep our association with Britain through choice - the day we wish to change that, the UK would accept our decision without question - that is the big difference between UK's attitude and Argentina's
9 Conqueror (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 04:41 pm
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10 Pirat-Hunter (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 04:57 pm Report abuse
we Argentine's don't think the brits are occupying the island illegally as a matter of fact we know it. and we will like UK to take the illegal alliens back or let them face deportation as USA and UK does with Mexicans and Romanian Gypsys. do on to others as you wish they do on to you...universal law from here to la quiaca.
11 J.A. Roberts (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 05:11 pm Report abuse
“the sistematic rejection of the u. k to resume the negotiations like the u. n and most international comunity signalize”

Perhaps a little recap of recent history Axel might help you to remember:
1988 - the last UN Resolution calling on the UK and Argentina negotiate a settlement their sovereignty dispute (note, not to negotiate a transfer of sovereignty).
1989 - UK speaks to Argentina. In October the “sovereignty umbrella” is agreed.
1999 - Hydrocarbons and Fisheries agreements met under the above sovereignty umbrella. More agreements follow.
2007 - Argentina rips up all the abovementioned agreements.
Any more UN Resolutions since 1988? No. Why? Because the UK has negotiated with Argentina. It has reached an agreement. Argentina has pulled out. Argentina's problem. Simple. Please stop telling us we don't want a peaceful solution, because just above I have explained how we reached a peaceful solution with you, but you threw it out because you wanted more. You were greedy. Your problem.

“because nor resolution 1514 nor the charter of the u. n, let any colonial situation to break the territorial integrity of any country, and it's one of the fundaments of our claim”

Axel, for that to operate you need to prove that the Falklands were Argentina territory. You can't. The Argentine government can't. Even the UN does not accept that the Falklands are or should be Argentine territory.

Anyway, where is that much promised “survey” of yours? When are you going to publish it?
12 AndyMac (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 05:25 pm Report abuse
What is more remarkable is to see a 21C state acting like a Nazi dictatorship.

Of course the trapping of colonialsm can be see throughout Argentine. Like your state guard wearing the adopted uniform of early 19C British Marines -

simonhphotos.posterous.com/waiting-waiting-argentina-buenosaires-recolet
13 O gara (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 06:47 pm Report abuse
Well at last an English viceroy with some.common.sense to hell with you is right and we are off ti Scotland ohh sorry cant go there they might be off too.well New Zealand well that might not be too bad.
CONQUEROR poor old amigo still nothing doing
with the missus one can see your violent frustration in your post.
14 suzy (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 06:57 pm Report abuse
13 O gara

Or is it Think? Or is it Helber Galarga? Or Malvinero Or Marcos Alejandro

Who is it today O gara?

How is the Argentine Secret Police are they treating you well with that hand stuck upside your backside? It must hurt but you seem happy.
15 briton (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 07:16 pm Report abuse
6 axel arg
The fact remains, if Argentina did not illegally invade, in the first place, we would not be here now,
Argentina started this
Argentina is pursuing this
And only Argentina can stop this .
16 Monty69 (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 07:21 pm Report abuse
6 axel arg

Your argument would be true if the Falklands were an integral part of your territory.
They aren't. anywhere apart from in your minds.
Seriously, where does it say we are part of your territory? It doesn't become true if you keep saying it.
17 O gara (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 08:13 pm Report abuse
Suzy querida A lady you aint.It really is kind of sad for the poor fools on the periphery in England who are so brainwashed and so poorly educated.
Suzy when you speak about an organization you cant in English say how is. The grammar dear well what can one say but they do it well in the city to keep the underclass in this sad state.
18 stick up your junta (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 08:26 pm Report abuse
@17
Meow,more milk ga ga, the ring on the hand hurting,sorry the wrist watch
19 O gara (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 08:32 pm Report abuse
Another one.Is there an office in London somewhere where they measure the lack of education to tailor the advertising campaigns for the army and navy?
20 xbarilox (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 08:43 pm Report abuse
@ Ogara and his usual crap. Are you still living in Europe, O gara? Will you come to Argentina to enjoy the blessings of Cristina and Néstor's legacy?
21 stick up your junta (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 08:45 pm Report abuse
Would that be the same army and navy that kicked the argies off the falklands?
22 O gara (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 08:50 pm Report abuse
20 Bienvenido otra vez Sr.Videla.
21 I would have thought you had enough respect for the islands to use a capital letter but as I Said!!
23 suzy (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 08:56 pm Report abuse
17 O gara

1. I'm not in England, lets get that straight.

2. You don't like my grammar? Have you tried reading your English?

3. I am a Kelper, you are obviously a prat!

I am a Kelper, 100% born and bred. I've been in the Sea Cadets and Marine Detachment since I was 8, when I finish 6th form I intend to sign up with the Defence Force. You want our islands? Come and get them. We'll be waiting and one more thing, you're right, I'm not a lady but I am a keen shot, come and get it! We're waiting for you!
24 Papamoa (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 09:00 pm Report abuse
@17 + 19
Nice to see you posting the Usual unreadable Propaganda, I do hope you are well paid by Your Masters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Long Live the Falklands.

Down with argentine Colonialism.
25 O gara (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 09:01 pm Report abuse
23 Suzy
I didnt realize you were a mere child.Do yourself a favour and go tell your family that they really should supervise you better and try and control your violent tendencies.
26 Papamoa (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 09:04 pm Report abuse
@25
O gara stop picking fights with Girls, You PERVERT!!!!!!!!!!!
27 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 09:10 pm Report abuse
O gara, I just read little suzy comment@14, stop impersonating me or she will kill both of us at Victory bar one of this days :-)
28 xbarilox (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 09:12 pm Report abuse
@ 25 Videla? You really have a crush on the guy. I'll leave you alone guys, so you can enjoy each other :)
29 O gara (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 09:15 pm Report abuse
Caballeros I apologise I didnt know who I was speaking to.Need a crocodile Dundee moment maybe.
28 no its you who love the evil monster
30 Pugol-H (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 09:15 pm Report abuse
@23 suzy
You just have to tell O gara “No Surrender”

He understands that.

Burned into his genetic memory
31 xbarilox (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 09:24 pm Report abuse
@ 30 Artillero is that you?
32 O gara (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 09:32 pm Report abuse
30 I was being nice to the child to some little Anglo like you we show our teeth.
33 Artillero 601 (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 09:33 pm Report abuse
@31 me what?

and welcome back brother !
34 briton (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 09:39 pm Report abuse
23 suzy
You go girl
You put him in his place .lol.
.
35 O gara (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 09:42 pm Report abuse
Well how pathetic you lot are in need of a child.At least it appears her parents have some control on her.
36 xbarilox (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 09:44 pm Report abuse
@ 33 desubicado como teta en la frente jaja es que el tal pugol me mandó un comentario y pensé que eras vos. thank you, I'm back in the trenches :P
37 Artillero 601 (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 09:47 pm Report abuse
@34

I'm sure she doesn't shoot like my Texans boys .....
38 Pugol-H (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 10:04 pm Report abuse
@32 O gara

Thats not being nice.

Other than that, there is some truth in what you say.
39 Viscount Falkland (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 10:07 pm Report abuse
There is a great deal of work going on to brief countries about the facts.”

Great to hear ! keep up the good work.
40 briton (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 10:21 pm Report abuse
has she made that speech yet .
41 O gara (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 11:33 pm Report abuse
She has.and has asked Cameron to give peace a chance.She reiterates that she has no interest in war but that one again England has militarized the South Atlantic.The cause of the Malvinas is.now not just an Argentine cause but a Latin American one
42 Rob the argentine (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 11:38 pm Report abuse
To all the argentines posting here. The brits offered us twice to talk about the islands, also to handle the islands to Argentina. The last time was during Peron's last government. What we did? we invaded the islands with the full support from mostly all the people. We lost the war, Period. I believe the time for islanders to say “To hell with you” is NOW. They must forget about all the nonsense from Argentina and go ahead with their live and their country, the Falkland Islands.
43 fermin (#) Feb 07th, 2012 - 11:47 pm Report abuse
“There is a point where Islanders will say to the Argentines, 'To hell with you.'”

LOL, when was Argentina trying to deal with them??

The land has been seized by the UK, and the UK has changed many times its fundaments about its rights over the islands. One by one, they have become obsolete...

There is no good/humanitarian/fair/peaceful reason to go on with this COLONIALISM.

How LONG till we have to stand the british royal navy warships in this side of the world?

And the land today does not even belong to the kelpers, who live in a sort of Government that can hardly be called democracy.

We need PEACE in this world, and XIX century empires are the ones who caused World Wars, genocides, hunger, pollution. The ones where fascism and exacerbated nationalism sent millions to WAR and DEATH on the defense of a fake cause. THIS NEEDS TO CHANGE.

Another countries are supporting Argentina because they know that this old-fashioned way of dominating lands and natural resources is a THREATEN to many others, not only Argentina.
44 Rob the argentine (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 12:18 am Report abuse
#43, Fermin, you only say what the “official” point says, a big lie.
Argentina never had real rights over the islands, always have talked about negotiating but also refuse to go to International Courts, the only way to resolve a dispute when you are right. The support is only empty words, let's see in a few months which country reject trading with the islands. Finally, no one country “dominate” lands and natural resources (as you said) without the full support from the government of the “dominated” country.
45 Malvinero1 (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:14 am Report abuse
Argentina never had real rights over the islands, always have talked about negotiating but also refuse to go to International Courts, the only way to resolve a dispute when you are right. The support is only empty words, let's see in a few months which country reject trading with the islands. Finally, no one country “dominate” lands and natural resources (as you said) without the full support from the government of the “dominated” country.
AHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!
46 Cap'n Jack (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 11:51 am Report abuse
People, people... play nicely.
47 lsolde (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 12:31 pm Report abuse
@23 Suzy,
Good for you young lady,
My thoughts exactly.
l'd like to see these stupid malvinistas outrun some hot lead.
As they “peacefully” invade again.
No quarter asked for or given.
They, of course, won't be in the first wave. They're armchair warriors.
Please, Typhoons, leave some for us.
Malvinero1,
Just for you,
“You are finished” ”ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Whatever the above means, seems to make sense to you! Enjoy!
48 Artillero 601 (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:00 pm Report abuse
“There is a point where Islanders will say to the Argentines, 'To hell with you......” They are at that point already , aren't they ? so what is the purpose of the article?
49 Rhaurie-Craughwell (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:02 pm Report abuse
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAA

The sound Malvinarse makes when his dad Sodomises him.
50 axel arg (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 03:16 pm Report abuse
J. A. ROBERT. MOLLYMAUK. MONTY69. BRITON. NIGHTINGALE.
The last resolution of the general assembly of 1988 affirms that all the aspects of the dispute must be discussed, anyway none of them never said anything about to discuss the sovereignty, but we can't be so miopic and ignore that the main problem is the sovereignty, so, it must be discussed, i already explained in my comment 6 and in many others, the interpretation that i do about all the resolutions of the decolonization committee.
I dont deny that per haps my country commited mistakes when it recalled all the agreements tha were signed in the past with the u. k., for being honest, i done know why it did it, but at the same time, you must recognize that you never accepted to discuss about the sovereignty, which is the main issue of this conflict.
On the other hand, this is evident that you are still very missinformed respecting the situation of the islands before 1833, i made an exhaustive survey about it, taking into account the british arguments also, and i explained why i decided not to publish it on line, beside, my investigation is a compilation of texts of diferent authors and professors of international right, who investigated about the historic and the legal aspects of this conflict, some of them are argentine, and others are british, beside i will present my work for one of the subjects as student of geography, that's why i decided to investigate more than ever, anyway i can send it to all those who wish to read it, in fact, some people in this forum already has it.
I have always argued that the only way to finish with this dispute is to take the question to the i. c. j, in fact argentina proposed to take the question to the arbitration in 1884, but the u. k. rejected it, and in 1947 the u. k. proposed to take the question of the dependencies to the court, but it didn't include the malvinas, which was rejected by argentina, however none of both proposed to give that step after 1947.
51 Pirat-Hunter (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 03:42 pm Report abuse
#48 the point of this article is to distract UK from endemic economic problems.
and to bring forth a force that will eventually gather around and plan the theft of new treasures in someone elses land as is the case in India the Middle East and Africa. South america might have forgotten 1807 but the UK is still living up to their colonial obsessions in Antartica, someone has to put a stop to them before a company like BP destroys the only part of the world untouched by men.
52 Cap'n Jack (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 03:54 pm Report abuse
What is it about the internet that makes people think they have a licence to be so rude rather than have a conversation? I bet none of your would do it if you were in the same room or if you't mother was reading over your shoulder. Enough now.
53 xbarilox (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 05:30 pm Report abuse
Puricelli has confirmed minutes ago, that Argentina can and will defend its territory if the English army ivade our country. Yes we can!

@ 52 don't we have the licence?
54 BritishguyfromLondon (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 06:15 pm Report abuse
@ 45 Malviner01, do you ever actually bother to come up with a coherent argument? I've read your comments on several articles and all that they ever seem to really consist of is AAAAHHHHHHAAAAAA and MALVINAS SON ARGENTINAS. If you are going to post a comment please write something that could be considered a useful contribution to the conversation. If not, piss off.
55 briton (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 08:09 pm Report abuse
53 xbarilox (#)
Puricelli has confirmed, that Argentina can and will defend its territory if the English army ivade our country. Yes we can!////
[are you at it again]
I thought you wanted peace .
Now you want to fight,
That’s very peaceful of you,
Try stop listening to papers and your silly polities,

[There is no English army, the British government has no intention of invading anyone, and has not said it is going to invade anyone,
Where do you get these stories from?
Try listening to the truth,
1, the Falklands are British
2 the islanders have voted to freely remain British
3 the British will defend the islanders if need be.
4, Argentina has had NOTHING to do with the Falklands for over 150 years
5, they are not your, never have been, never will be
6, that is the truth told by the islanders themselves,
7, that’s all .
56 THEMan (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 08:26 pm Report abuse
I think that in 15-20 years time, Britain is projected to become more militaristic with foreign policy and will increase their personnel to 600,000+. Argentina have no hope in hell with invading just now or then because their military is futile and weak. We will win, always, and maybe have more than just the Falklands, maybe even Argentina.
57 malen (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 09:12 pm Report abuse
23 you have been in the sea cadets and marine detachment since 8 years old??? in the military or with militars since 8 years old??
thats why you want to join the UK defence force next when you finish primary school????
hmmmmmmmmmmmm
58 UKOwnsArgentina (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 09:57 pm Report abuse
My research proves that Britain has had a continuous claim to Argentina since 1806. It is as relevant as the Argentine claim over the Falkland Islands and I propose the UK government take it to the UN.

I propose an economic and shipping blockade by Latin America, Royal Navy harassment of Argentine shipping, the suspension of air links and constant ratcheting up of the rhetoric and tension, followed by a claim that Argentina is militarising itself in defence. And a call on the UN Security Council to take action against them.

There we go. I am sure you can see our claim is as relevant as theirs
59 exocet-82 (#) Feb 09th, 2012 - 10:48 am Report abuse
goodday ladies & gentleman :)
I will be as brief as I can ....................
IF THE ISLANDERS DON T NEED ANYTHYNG FROM ANY COUNTRY ,
1- WHY YOU BRITISH GO BACK HOME , (COZ THIS TIME YOU WILL BE FORCED TO COUNT EVERY SINGLE MEN WHO DIES IN A NEW WAR, NOT ONLY THOSE WHICH HAS “FAMILIES”)
2- YOU ISLANDERS , DECLARE THE WAR TO ARGENTINA IF YOU WANT TO BE AN INDEPENDENT COUNTRY-

HAVENT THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT TOLD YOU OR SHOWN THOSE SECRET DOCUMENTS THEY HAD STOLEN AND HIDDEN TO THEIR OUR CITIZENS YET????

DO THE THE ISLANDERS THAT THEY ARE A SORT OF PRISIONERS OF WAR --- FROM THE BRITISH POINT OF VIEW?????
DO THE ISLANDERS KNOW “EXCACTLY” WHERE THEY ARE , HOW THEY GOT T mALVINAS `ISLANDS??????? :)) YOU D BETTER GO TO THE PARLAMENT AND “ASK POLITELY ” ALL THOSE DOCUMENTS THAT THE IRON LADY AND STUFF HAD PLAYED WITH????

DO THE ISLANDERS STUDY HISTORY???

DO YOU BRITISH STUDY REAAAAAAAAAAAAAL HISTORY AT YOUR POMPOUS UNIVERSITIES AND COLLAGES?????????? WELL- THINK A BIT FRIENDS -

HAVE A NICE DAY EVERYBODY!!!
60 briton (#) Feb 09th, 2012 - 01:19 pm Report abuse
another twit with a finga stuck on the key board.
61 fermin (#) Feb 09th, 2012 - 07:17 pm Report abuse
@ 59 exocet-82: They just study the history Her Majesty's wrote :D I agree with you, but well.. I wouldn't use capitals on the keyboard. After all, the ones getting angry here are the right-wingers at the British Government, the ones who want to go on making profit with “defense”, grabbing of resources and militarization.

Why don't british people ask Cameron to spend the money in social care in stead of so much weapons of war??

Argentina is not gonna attack anything anyway... They just like playing soldiers all the time. Do these conservatives know what Diplomacy is??

I can smell a nasty populism in the UK.
62 Pugol-H (#) Feb 09th, 2012 - 08:26 pm Report abuse
@61 fermin
Weapons are nessecary to protect what is our territory and resources, look what happened to Atahualpa and the Inca empire with only bows and arrows to defend themselves.

This UK gov is only doing what any UK gov would do.

The only thing stopping Argentina attacking is the British military deployment.

No point being diplomatic or even talking to people who think like you do.
63 Pirat-Hunter (#) Feb 09th, 2012 - 09:22 pm Report abuse
I hope this nuclear armed terrorists and illegal aliens get sick of Argentina soon and go back to UK if UK will accept their rights to return, it is sad to know that at some point Argentina will need a nuclear defence program to defend Argentina from british terrorists and their nuclear weapons in the area, it makes the Argentine argument for a nuclear defence program much more reasonable, personally I think a few H-bomb test in Islas Malvinas Argentina can solve the problem with one strike I would love to have the honor, If USA and UK can kill over 10.000 muslims including women and children for resources, I amsure nothing will be done when this 3000 terrorists, pirates and illegal aliens go missing after a H-bomb test in Islas Malvinas Argentina.
64 briton (#) Feb 09th, 2012 - 10:34 pm Report abuse
nuts whole hazel nuts
65 exocet-82 (#) Feb 10th, 2012 - 06:54 pm Report abuse
*61 - Fermin ------------ Agrre fermin... It s a pity that these ppl have no mercy with thier own british citizens. That s all the whole world can see.
I can smell nusty EVERYTHING in Uk. all thanks to her Magesty ....

*69 - briton- ... i don t want to talk about fingers and keyboards with u Btriton... I m so sure that u ve got short fingers so there s nothing u can write better than that. And.... do you know that very well know saying... the comparison between fingers and a dick ... and masculinity??? ?????? :)) be respectfull with this sweety Lady brit.... the world couse the WORLD IS ABOUT US BIG AS A GNAT SHUFF. someday ... we will meet each other.. i want to see your face , look at your eyes, just to know and confirmed the brave you are hidden behind the net.
Have a nice Weekend everybody!!!
66 briton (#) Feb 10th, 2012 - 07:05 pm Report abuse
oh dear another child with big ambitions,
missy i very much doubt you know what a dick is,
but if you are trying to be insulting,
them i suggest you try the candle,
and grow up.
silly child .
67 exocet-82 (#) Feb 11th, 2012 - 04:25 am Report abuse
hahahahahahahahahah *66 Briton!!!!!! i love after all, you really make laugh loadssssssssssssssssss!!!!! hazhahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhh iiiiiiiiii looooooooovvvvveeeeeeeeeeee youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu hahahahahahahahahahahahahah good night sweety!!! ( and my husband say gd night to you too !!!!! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
68 lsolde (#) Feb 11th, 2012 - 08:36 am Report abuse
@66 briton,
l think she likes you briton.
However l'd be careful if l were you.
She seems a bit loose in the head & she's got a sticky keyboard or sticky fingers.
Wonder where she's had them.
69 Anost (#) Feb 11th, 2012 - 10:13 am Report abuse
@63

If Argentina even contemplated developing and using nuclear weapons on the Malvinas, you'd probably find that your country would not exist for a very long time after. Argentina would be a big steaming crater of uninhabitable land after a few Trident missiles have done their dirty work.
70 exocet-82 (#) Feb 11th, 2012 - 12:44 pm Report abuse
68 - isolde

why don t you try to look up on a dictionary the word “humor” you Isolde.
Humour is very healthy and hlling for people like -

You know, seriously peaking, you are a banch og crap selfish people. You don t think in anything else than in a cup of petrol. You d better start to think the hundreds od men , from both sides) families, brothers, fathers, and innocent children in the island suffering the horror of a war. Of course not !! you cant think about that cos you ve never been in a war before. you are the super hero behind a computer ....
This is the second time ( and this to Mr Briton and some others) that I remain you all, that my Yorkshire husband and I had had such a --------- unforgettable WAR experience. what for??? for listening this kind of comments from the ppl you ... defended once???!!!!! puaj
So, please, stop playing Soldiers Empire and became at least a sort of human being.
I really hope nobody of the relaitives of the ppl in this forum will never have to be in such a situation.
Pray man, Pray
71 briton (#) Feb 11th, 2012 - 08:34 pm Report abuse
as long as we have alfred the great
king arthur
and merlin, you have no chance
as the holy grail belongs to us,
and you puppies will have to pick up the crumbs of the alter,
for only if you have a sense of humor, can you have a laugh,
the falklands are british, sadly your stuck with marv,
no more bed time stories, mmmmmmm
72 lsolde (#) Feb 12th, 2012 - 12:36 am Report abuse
@70 exocet-82,
Your name says it all.
How do you know that l have not experienced war?
Just like señor Think, you presume too much.
A lot of what you posted doesn't make sense to me, but l forgive you as English doesn't seem to be your first language.
As for humour, well l was making a joke to my compatriat, briton about the way you hold down the key to give multiple letters.
Something that l notice a lot of Argentines do. porque?
Look, exocet-82(from your name, we can guess your feelings), l can do it tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
lf we appear warlike, its because you Argentines want to conquer us & we won't allow that.
What do you expect? That we roll over like a puppy & let you tickle our tummy. Get real.
Your country is a bully & we will not ever give in to you.
Tough bananas if you don't like it.
l pray every day, do you?
73 briton (#) Feb 12th, 2012 - 02:11 pm Report abuse
hear hear .

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