Falkland Islands: Why we can't accept Cristina's 'kind' gesture
By John Fowler (*) - I handed the family's passports to a rather stern-looking official behind a desk, while my wife and mother-in-law passed through into the departure lounge with our daughter, who was just a few months short of her first birthday. Along with the passports, I also handed over three white identity cards. These were issued by the country through which we were in transit on our way to holidays in Britain from our home in the Falkland Islands.
After scrutinising all this documentation the official asked, “Where are the baby's papers?” I replied that, as he could see, my daughter was entered on my passport, and that I had been advised that was all that was required. “You are attempting to take a baby born in this country abroad without authorisation” he said, then, sweeping up all our documents, he disappeared into another office with a curt, “You must wait here.”
While my wife and mother-in-law continued chatting obliviously through the window of the lounge, I was desperately wondering what I could do, if the government represented by this official decided to confiscate my baby. Knowing what they had already proved capable of doing to their own citizens, this seemed a distinct and terrifying possibility.
Fortunately, after what seemed like an eternity, but was probably no more than half and hour – the longest in my life – the official returned and we were allowed to continue our journey, with our baby.
As readers who know anything about the recent history of the South Atlantic may by now have guessed, this incident took place in Ezeiza, the international airport of Buenos Aires. The year was 1980, when the only access to the Falklands Islands was through Argentina, which insisted that travellers with passports other than their own had to have a 'white card' indicating that permission to travel had been granted by the Argentine government.
I hope this story goes some way to explaining what to some people may seem the inexplicable lack of enthusiasm from Falkland Islanders in response to the Argentine President's stated desire to replace the once-a-week flight from Santiago with three flights a week directly from Buenos Aires. No matter how cheap such flights might be, or how convenient for those people wanting to travel to Europe – at the moment we travel all day to find ourselves still on the wrong side of the Andes – we have no desire once again to find our external communications in the exclusive hands of what we have to regard as a hostile government.
If this point has been missed by President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, her order to her Foreign Minister to arrange such a change to our established communications with the British Government, and not with the government of the Falkland Islands, is a clear indication that in her view the latter – and, by extension, our community - has no legitimacy. In attempting to impose any kind of arrangement upon us without consultation she has once again failed to recognise our desire and right to determine our own affairs and a complete lack of understanding of the relationship which exists between us and the United Kingdom.
On the face of it, of course, to a world which has no real need to concern itself with the rights of three thousand people on a remote group of islands in the South Atlantic, our refusal to accept an offer of direct flights to Argentina may seem churlish, as may also the British Government’s refusal to talk to the Argentines about sovereignty unless we ask them to.
Making herself look kind and understanding of our needs can be the only reason for this about-face by the Argentine President, but before we can bring ourselves to believe in the sincerity of her stated desire “to give peace a chance” she will have to cancel her government’s restrictions against shipping, which are contrary to the international laws of the sea, and lift the ban on charter flights which did so much damage to our tourism industry and so much good to Ushuaia. (She will also, of course, have to remove the clause from the Argentine Constitution which allows no other outcome for sovereignty talks, but that the Falkland Islands become Las Islas Malvinas and an Argentine possession.)
In fact, if the Argentine President is really concerned to increase our connectivity to the outside world, why does she not declare an open skies policy and let Aerolineas Argentinas compete openly and honestly with other airlines to provide our commercial air link to the outside world? I am fairly sure, however, that Argentina’s struggling flag carrier would not be the airline of choice for people here and Buenos Aires would not be the favourite destination.
The President’s proposal is apparently that the 1999 memorandum of understanding between the British and Argentine governments should be revisited. There may be some willingness in the Falklands to see that happen, but only if the discussions can be frank and honest and cover other aspects of that document than just the LAN flight.
I think we would like to see the “sovereignty umbrella” hoisted again so that issues of shared concern like fish stocks and hydrocarbon exploration can be discussed to our mutual benefit without prejudice and we would also really like the Argentine government, as they once promised, to stop using the name Puerto Argentino to identify our capital, Stanley. Unlike Malvinas which is a name with historical authenticity, used in a more or less neutral sense throughout the Spanish-speaking world, Puerto Argentino remains as an unpleasant reminder of an even more unpleasant time and its continued use thirty years later is an insult.
(*) John Fowler is the Deputy Editor at Penguin News
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Under no circumstances can the Argentines be allowed to dictate anything here and the first set of talks on normalising things again has to be with the Argentine govt talking to the FIG. There is no need for the UK govt to get involved until it becomes absolutely necessary.
That will require the RG's to change their constitution, renounce all rights to the Falklands and recognise the legitimate rights and existence of the FIG and the Islanders.
Nothing else will do.
God Save The Queen!
”The smart solution is to grant them (the FI) independence and then immediately form a defence alliance with them, station British troops there and co-opt them into NATO, the EU and the Commonwealth”.
Would this be a good solution? Could this be done?
peace /pis/
noun, interjection, verb, peaced, peac·ing.
noun
1. the normal, nonwarring condition of a nation, group of nations, or the world.
2. ( often initial capital letter ) an agreement or treaty between warring or antagonistic nations, groups, etc., to end hostilities and abstain from further fighting or antagonism: the Peace of Ryswick.
3. a state of mutual harmony between people or groups, especially in personal relations: Try to live in peace with your neighbors.
4. the normal freedom from civil commotion and violence of a community; public order and security: He was arrested for being drunk and disturbing the peace.
5. cessation of or freedom from any strife or dissension
Now, judging from the definition of 'peace', it's quite clear that KFC has no interest in it by most of it's definitions. I think she means give 'not-war' a chance, because she's certainly causing strife, antagonism, and her behaviour is certainly not harmonious, it's positively hostile.
The article makes an interesting read, but you are frankly stuck between a rock and a hard place. Without the Argentinians as friends, you only really have one choice which is to develop the islands into something protected by it's trading partners. This can be achieved through controlled immigration, investment, or building relationships with new friends. The whole eco-tourism aspect looks very good, as is the access to the antarctic. This is basically about long term investment of oil revenues, and focusing on selling high quality unpolluted lamb. Do the Falklands have cows?
The article says it takes best part of a day to get to Santiago, which is 1414 miles from Mount Pleasant as the crow flies. You're probably travelling 2,300 in total. Which is comparable to the 3,500 flight to South Africa.
What a non sense comparison, is like saying British citizens should stop visiting or doing business with Germany because of the Blitz.
“is like saying British citizens should stop visiting or doing business with Germany because of the Blitz”.....or accusing the UK of colonialism.
Has anyone considered getting the cruise ships to bring bananas and eggs from Brazil? Might make everyone some extra cash.
In 1980 babies and children were not required to have their own passports, It was standard practice for parents to have their children included on their passports. Standard in most countries of the world, but not the Argentine it seems. As for your comparison to the blitz. Refusing entry to British flagged ships, attemting to to change air routes and banning commerce because of the 1982 conflict, need I go on. God you give a new meaning to the word “HYPOCRACY.” but I suspect you and your like would not recognise it if it jumped up and bit you in the ass. You know where yor ass is dont you? you should do, after all your talking out of it.
There will always be ppl in the world accusing Britain of colonialism, so long as the Falklands Islands is on the UN De-Colonization list, and seemingly ruled by Britain.
Would this not end the sovereignty argument permanently?
I guess it would really. It would be good to get some interpretation on this. I'm told that the suggestion came from the Americans.
Its high time this situation was solved once and for all and if the FI became say a de facto member of NATO then the discussion is over with Argentina. Chile and Uruguay would trip over themselves to form friendly relations with the Islanders.
It would certainly be a good way to silence Argentina once and for all. Take on the FI and they take on NATO - KABOOM!
It could be that if the UK on the fly told the Argentines about what might happen if they didn't back off then that could be enough to silence them a bit. I very much doubt that the RG's would be appreciative of the Islands they hate being formally recognised by NATO, the US, UN, EU, Commonwealth etc. as a member and sovereign state.
It might seem like a daft question but are the FI big enough to be an independent nation?
Of course not, the abduction of children (usually accompanied by the “dissapearance” of the parents) in 1980s Argentina would be completely without presedent wouldn't it?
Could the FI join NATO ie does NATO have jurisdiction in the South Atlantic?
FI are part of NATO via the UK, an attack against the UK, is an attack against NATO. As 9-11 demonstrated NATO is duty bound to respond.
falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/03/03/cristina-fernandez-in-c24-publicity-stunt/
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2109413/Now-Morrissey-wades-row-Falklands-says-belong-Argentina.html
But the daily mail supports the Islanders:
www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2109343/Falkland-Islands-Why-British-taxpayers-money-spent-Argentina.html
1. Given Argentina's track record at the time, John Fowler had every reason to be fearful. Just two years later Argentine occupying forces attempted to remove Falkland Islands children from their parents.
2. The reason that nobody needs to hold the Blitz against the Germans isthat they accepted that they lost WW2. Everyone moved on, healed, restored communications and commerce, made friends ... unlike Argentina, which not only refuses to accept it lost the war, but has been wallowing in a trough of self pity and lashing out at the Falklands for 30 years now.
@ 10 Steve-32-UK
It would be unrealistic for the Falklands to consider independence unless we can provide for our own security. And even then, maybe there would be no reason to alter the status quo.
”The generals were in charge here,“ he said, ”and they told us that we were a strong and well-armed nation. They lied to us. We weren't. The British had a lot more practice than us at fighting wars—and we lost.“
The Falklands, he said, belonged to Argentina ”geographically,“ an argument I suppose which could be used to claim that Cuba ”belonged“ to the United States.
So what about the Falklanders themselves, said one of his listeners, wasn't it up to them to decide who they wanted to belong to? That didn't appeal to the guide. ”Ah well,“ he replied, ”if you had a choice between voting to be rich and voting to be poor, which way would you vote?”
edition.cnn.com/2012/03/01/world/americas/falklands-ship-dispute/
The media believe he is gay, but while no ones seen him with a girl, he refuses to admit it. He's either gay or asexual. Either way who cares.
He isn't normal and certainly doesn't live in the real world! He exists on planet Rock, which is somewhere pigs can be seen flying.
He also refuses to live in the UK because he says there are too many blacks here. Which I tend to find quite racist - it's about 8% in the UK but where he lives now - LA - it's about 69% figure it out.
He doesn't like the Chinese either, he calls them a “Subspecies”. I can see now why Argentines like him, he shares some of their tendencies - fascism, with a touch of Nazism, a bit of gay, depression over a lost cause, and a fixation with the unimportant, over the essentials.
So who last checked on Morrissey's opinion about anything? Other than the Daily Mail, which since the Leveson Inquiry into press standards, has been increasingly hard pressed to find sleaze and gossip to peddle to its readership, no one cares what Morrissey thinks!
Anyone who needs Morrissey to tell them what to think needs to take a trip to their lock shrink.
Who the hell is Morrisey ??
I had an argument with a girl I know last night. She was saying how that it's unfair that if a guy f@#ks a different girl every week, he's a legend, but if a girl f@#ks just two guys in a year, she's a slut.
So in response I told her that if a key opens lots of locks, then it's a master key. But if a lock is opened by lots of keys, then it's a shitty lock.
That shut her up.
Another fading 80s celebrity on the Yet Another Comeback Tour.
Mostly famous for being rabidly anti-Tory and advocating animal rights lunacy (to the extent that he compared the massacre in Norway to McDonalds and KFC just after it happened).
Clutching to all these articles of celebrities saying who are currently in or touring argentina or south america is like clutching at staws and smacks of desperation. By the time they are back in their own countries they'll say yeah man, its all about money and the dumb fuckers fell for it lol.
Although I would like to think i am almost impervious to his nonsense by now and wouldn't allow it to affect my enjoyment of his music I have to say it doesn't quite work like that and I do feel a little disappointed each time I read anything he's said.
This is a man that I genuinely believe must have a form of autism. Everything I've read about him over the years suggests he finds it hard to connect with people on a personal level in any meaningful way.
I mostly just feel sorry for him now.
And other very different is to hand over our soverignity in our indisputed lands. Open skies policy will only happen after the whole issue is solved. Favouring Ushuaia over Stanley is a duty. Changing our Constitution won't happen in this way.
He has a point, but he should remain in the real possibilities.
Lets just say it as it is. Argentina is a fascist state and there is only one level of discussion they understand, the kind that involves force.
Are you want to discuss anything with someone holding a gun to your head? No. You either bow down and take it up the ass. Or you give them a taste of their own medicine ten fold.
Unfortunately the Argies are too stupid to realise they are pissing all the countries around them off and are a laughing stock in the UK.
So fascit I can go whenever I want on internet, I can say whenever I want and I can buy whatever newspaper I want. Also, as a matter of fact, I can vote.
Then tell me, would it be worth to resign on our claim? We have nothing to win from that. At least from trying to get the Islands we have something to win. Even as unlikely as we could all see, it's better than just going for nothing.
But from the moment you declare independence from uk the islanders will stop celebrating the freedom date when uk won the war against argentina. Because argentina was at war against uk and not against FI.
Would you stop celebrating that day? we didn't make war against islanders was against uk.
Is the same each time the argentines remain you when you invade Buenos Aires 1806 and 1807 and try to dominate the people of Buenos Aires and Montevideo against their will of not been part of the British Empire, killing thousands of criollos that were for 6, 7, 0r 8 generation on this lands. You always criticize us when we celebrate our victory and freedom we gain with very little help from Spanish authorities. You said that those invasions were against Spain and not argentina.
And that we don't have rights to conmemorate those victories because argentina didn't exist then, because we gain our first part of independence in 1810.
Well in 1982 Falkland Islands were a colony of uk, like we were a colony of Spain in 1806/07. But the difference between the two are that in the case of 1982 uk was the one that got you free from the “evil” invaders argentines and in 1806/07 was the 6, 7, 8 generation of criollos that kick you out from our land.
So if, in your view, we don't have any rights to commemorate those years as our freedom from the evil British, we can say that from the moment you declare independence from uk, applying the same logic, you wont have any right to commemorate your freedom day.......
And may be from then on we can be good neighbors. Leaving behind scars of the past that made so much untrust between us....
Y bue.. Si un ingles lo dice.. jajaja!!
What a beautiful picture of the Good Ol’ times!
Let’s hope we soon will see many fresh counterparts………..
No, he doesn't need to know that, because it's only fact in Argentina. We didn't steal anything, but I can give you a long list of places that Argentina has stolen off the natives, simply because Argentina thinks it is some white master race.
Why don't you get back to reflecting on why you ignored binding UNSCR 502, and inconsistently ask the UN for non-binding resolutions to be upheld?
Argentinian faggotry is afoot today.
#36 - Err, no, not stolen from Argentina, although Argentina has attempted to steal the Islands - in 1832 and 1982. (And you do repeat yourself - without effect!)
If Argentina was to say tomorrow that are going to normalise relations with the Falkland Islands, resume open trade, recognise the islanders right to self determination, amend their constitution and generally stop making threatening noises and gestures it would be the first positive step on a very long road.
What Argentina needs to do then is apologise for the invasion in 1982 and keep up the good faith and maintain it. Cherish it, nurture it, work on it. In short build bridges. Not just for a decade or two, you'd need to be patient about it. It might not happen in your lifetime and indeed there remains the chance it might not happen at all. It could take generations and all the while Argentina builds up its international diplomacy skills, irons out long term issues at home, learns to trust its armed forces.
And as this is happening Argentina would be benefitting from oil, fisheries, trade of all kinds with the Falklands and as time goes by memory fades and the Falklanders learn to trust you again.
Long term might mean centuries, and you might still not get what you want but do it in good faith and who knows? You'd get a whole lot more out of this kind of relationship than you are ever going to get with the 'all or nothing policy' that your country is currently following.
What a generous and balanced proposition……
I suppose that, in the meantime (centuries you mention), South-America must just sit there and watch how Great Britain milks and empties the natural resources of the 12.000.000 square miles of Self-proclaimed Exclusive Economical Zone on the South Atlantic.
“Think” again, mate…
fas·cism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/
noun
1. a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
2. the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
3. a fascist movement, especially the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43.
Taking definition 1. let's expand it a little and compare to leftist peronism.
“a governmental system” - Tick
“led by a dictator having complete power” - Tick (KFC rules by decree)
“forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism” - Tick ( Nationally owned press, anyone who disagrees is a traitor)
“regimenting all industry, commerce, etc.” - Tick (YPF, etc)
“emphasizing an aggressive nationalism” - Tick (pirates, etc)
“and often racism.” - Tick (Argentina is whiiiiite!)
So, by the definition of the term 'fascist' from a reputable dictionary, Argentina is indeed fascist. FACT.
Well, I was not talking about how to face the issue, but about dropping or not the claim.
The approach is something I don't dispute you. I agree with what you say and think it should be done that way. But, two things happen. 1) We look very short term. It would be almost against our way of thinking to expect us doing real long term thinking. It's just not us. 2) The chance of not getting them erodes anychance of this happening.
Regarding 2) I would take an approach were the matter of sovereignity is left to the side for X amount of time. We recognize you are the defacto administration on the Islands and you have a claim, and you recognize we have a claim and that sovereignity is disputed. And it stays there. We cooperate and when X amount of time happens we see where we are.
But just as a matter of fact, we recognize your right to self-determination(depending what the government thinks), which also doesn't mean recognizing you as an independent and sovereign people.
“La Nación Argentina ratifica su legítima e imprescriptible soberanía sobre las islas Malvinas, Georgias del Sur y Sandwich del Sur y los espacios marítimos e insulares correspondientes, por ser parte integrante del territorio nacional.
La recuperación de dichos territorios y el ejercicio pleno de la soberanía, respetando el modo de vida de sus habitantes, y conforme a los principios del Derecho Internacional, constituyen un objetivo permanente e irrenunciable del pueblo argentino.”
“First.- The Argentine Nation ratifies its legitimate and non-prescribing sovereignty over the Malvinas, Georgias del Sur and Sandwich del Sur Islands and over the corresponding maritime and insular zones, as they are an integral part of the National territory. The recovery of said territories and the full exercise of sovereignty, respectful of the way of life of their inhabitants and according to the principles of international law, are a permanent and unrelinquished goal of the Argentine people.”
Whats with the South American shit? its you argies that have the problem,and as for us exploiting resources,you havent made much use of what you already have
”What a generous and balanced proposition……
I suppose that, in the meantime (centuries you mention), South-America must just sit there and watch how Great Britain milks and empties the natural resources of the 12.000.000 square miles of Self-proclaimed Exclusive Economical Zone on the South Atlantic.
“Think” again, mate…”
First of all, I am not in a position to be generous about anything and neither is the UK or for that matter, Argentina. I can only try to be diplomatic and respectful. I will see how long I can keep it up.
Yes it could take centuries but the Argentine claim over the Falklands forms a dispute not a forgone conclusion. Argentina can participate in and benefit from the exploration and exploitation of hydrocarbons during the dispute or they can sit and harrumph at what they think is a terrible injustice and get absolutely nothing.
At the same time they can threaten, blockade, disrupt trade and nurture distrust and ill feeling which will only harden Falkland resolve.
And as for emptying the natural resources surrounding the islands, until Argentina successfully executes her claim over the them, what Falkland does with her natural resources is their concern. Not ours (UK and Argentina).
What I find hilarious here is it clearly says:
”The recovery of said territories and the full exercise of sovereignty, respectful of the way of life of their inhabitants and according to the principles of international law, are a permanent and unrelinquished goal of the Argentine people.”
When absolutely nothing they have done is respectful of the way of life of their inhabitants and according to the principles of international law. It's just being incredibly hostile and antagonising them over and over and over again.
These Argentinians aren't even capable of following their own constitution, so how can they be trusted?
Answer:- They can't. Ever.
@36“All the World” johnfarrel2050,
Wrong again, johnnyboy. We don't “must” anything.
Argentina has NEVER owned the Falklands & does not do so now.
What about Argentina returning the land that it stole from Paraguay in 1871?
@41Squatter,
The UK & the Falklands will exploit what we please from OUR territories & its got nothing to do with you or your silly country.
You may sit & watch us do this if you like.
Whatever rows your boat.
Maybe next the air route to Chile will become impractical to use, or need a 90% reduction.
Military practice maneuvers or even Environmental reasons could be cited....scaring ducks or some such.
Possibly Chile will be a friend (as well as trade partner) and see that Punta Arenas needs development for a decade.
(don't most international flights to Santiago move through Arg airspace?).
Maybe the Rio Gallegos flight could remain.
Altogether theres probably no need to even break any laws ..overtly.. or make a 'Diego Garcia' out of the situation.
Her tactics are akin to those of Sadam or even better Syria which Argentina supports whilst it butchers its own population.
The UK to anyone with half a brain is clearly schooling Argentina on politics and the UK hasn't even attacked yet its just been letting the fascist scumbag in power make a fool of herself.
The UK can easily circumvent any flight problems by providing its own so the politicking around the flights will always be a non-starter. Not to mention the UK has performed a masterful move in making Argentina engage with the Falkland's government thereby recognizing the,.
“Resolution 502, which was in the United Kingdom's favour, gave the UK the option to invoke Article 51 of the United Nations Charter, allowing it to claim the right of self-defence”.
Seems pretty clear who they think has sovereignty over the islands. Yet more evidence (as if it was needed) to add to the pile already stacked.
Unless he's completely incompetent, which is a question that many are beginning to ask, I'm guessing the Ban Ki-Moon is aware of this misuse of UN funds.
A good example of why no one takes up the offer of negotiation in his good offices, I guess.
This is what awaits you bastards if you try invading again and this time I don’t think we will stop at the Islands the next time you will find that we will be on your home soil and you will be dancing to the tune of Rule Britannia and it will be us who will be burning the rag you call your flag. You have been warned so pull back from the brink before it’s too late.
You say:
”I can only try to be diplomatic and respectful. I will see how long I can keep it up.”
I say:
Diplomatic and respectful ???
You are quite new in here and only posted on four threads so far…. but anyhow you already managed to insult and smear:
1) The Argentinean President; I quote:
”I admit I am a bear of very little brain but considering her actions so far, if she is on a bipolar downer at the minute she might be capable of dreaming anything up.”
2) Three successful Anglos that ”dared” to express their opinion about the “Malvinas Issue”; I quote:
”So they now have a wife beater, a drug abuser with second thoughts depending on his audience and an unrepentant racist.”
Diplomatic and respectful my left foot…………
Not very much sense in continuing a dialogue with you……
Have a nice weekend.
El Think, Chubut, Argentina.
The only way that Argentina will ever make any traction with HMG or the Falklanders will be by trying a more contrustuctive approach. It will take a long time, decades at least to establish meaningful levels of trust in Argentine intentions.
The offer of flights cannot be taken seriously in a time when Cruise ships are blocked from entering port, as are FI Flagged vessels. It cannot be taken seriously at a time when the Argentineans seek to get Chile to stop flights from Santiago. It cannot be taken seriously while Argentine Naval and coast guard ships commercial vessels on the high seas.
Imagine if you were an israeli and Iran offered to run all your flights in and out of your own country, or during the cold war if the Soviets had made a similar offer to us involving Aeroflot. Thats what your offer looks like.
You don't turn communications over to your enemies , or those hostile to you.
Meanwhile we can do whatever we damn well like with our own resources. You can cry, shout and scream as much as you like. You withdrew from all the agreements about sharing them, we did'nt force you to do that. Go away and be poor until you can figure out a better way of engaging with us other than grandstanding.
We will fight if need be to defend the Falklanders from Argentine occupation. We will fight to protect our economic interests.
No surrender.
But we say Puerto Argentino, and the word argentino it is not an insult. but you hate so much Argentina....
the war itself was a mistake. No matter whether it was Stanley or Argentino.
#42 fascism is...““a governmental system” - Tick”! Are you an anarchist then Greek?
““led by a dictator having complete power” - Tick ” Well either she's using her “complete power” more sparingly than any dictator I've ever heard of, or more likely the presence of so many critics and oppositionists shows that the beautiful one is no dictator at all. Her “power” is the love of the people; long may that continue =)
You say she's not a dictator, so let's have a look:
dic·ta·tor /ˈdɪkteɪtər, dɪkˈteɪtər/
noun
1. a person exercising absolute power, especially a ruler who has absolute, unrestricted control in a government without hereditary succession.
2. (in ancient Rome) a person invested with supreme authority during a crisis, the regular magistracy being subordinated to him until the crisis was met.
3. a person who authoritatively prescribes conduct, usage, etc.: a dictator of fashion.
4. a person who dictates, as to a secretary.
Using definition 1 we see that a dictator doesn't have hereditary succession, so let's find the right term for her, given that Fat-nestor is being groomed for power as we speak. Well, my political science dictionary says technically what Argentina has is called a 'personalistic regime' or a 'family dictatorship'.
So, she is a dictator because she rules by decree, and the political system is called a family dictatorship.
@13 I don't think size has a bearing on the fact of independence. But the smallest known sovereign state is Nauru with a population of 9,322.
@17 No. The North Atlantic Treaty relates to Europe and (North) America. Whilst the Treaty obliges other members to assist, it does not oblige them to assist militarily. Nor do dependent territories outside the Treaty area come under the Treaty umbrella, except for some Overseas departments of France.
@29 “And other very different is to hand over our soverignity in our indisputed lands.” Have you become British? As an argie, you have no sovereignty in respect of the Falklands, South Georgia or the South Sandwich Islands. Please notice who is disputing whose sovereignty. YOU are disputing OURS. WE have no dispute.
@33 If you were at war with the UK, why didn't you attack the UK? And whoever you thought you were at war with, it doesn't change the date the Islanders became free of you.
@36 More drivel. MORE medication. 7.6mm medication!
@41 Why don't you T****! Sorry, you're an argie, aren't you? So you can't T****!
@44 One error in your comment. YOU don't have a valid claim.
@49 Dreamin', you're just dreamin'. Played so well CFK has to “negotiate” with a government she doesn't recognise.
@54 Difficult to avoid insults with CFK.
”Not very much sense in continuing a dialogue with you……”
So KFC isn’t bipolar? She has no excuse for her behaviour then.
Sean Penn isn’t a wife beater? Roger Waters isn’t a hypocritical substance abuser with a shifting opinion? And finally Morrissey isn’t an unrepentant racist?
Does this mean I don’t have to read your posts from now on? Can I take it as a pledge?
Bonus.
I think I will hold you to it.
@54 Difficult to avoid insults with CFK. Can't really call her a “woman”. That would be to insult every proper woman on the planet. Can't call her a “female”. That just widens the insult to every species on the planet that has two sexes. Can't call her a “bitch”. Female canines are bitches. And why do you complain about a “smear”? Smearing her over any handy wall or patch of concrete is a very creditable objective. I'd talk about smearing her brains over various objects, but we know she doesn't have any. She's just a psychotic animal with delusions. Not “delusions of grandeur”. Just delusions. And let's look at her “achievements”! She leads a 40 million strong group of rebel colonists against a nation of 3,000. And she can't, and won't, win. Typical argie. All mouth and no pants. To gain support, what does she do? She bends over her “desk” and asks “Which hole do you want to shaft? I don't mind. I just want to know what taste to expect when I deep-throat you later!” Having “disposed” of her “husband” when he became “inconvenient”, what depths would she not aspire to? Notice that I do not say “sink to”. Wherever she goes, it will be “up” not “down”. Like everyone else with the same “nationality” printed in their documents!
By the way, the baby story in the beginning is still true today.
When you take a child out of Argentina we require that you have a birth certificate in addition to their Argentine passport.
We have all over Latin America seen hundreds if not thousands of cases of Gringos “stealing” cute brown babies.
Last big case hitting the headlines was that nice “Christian” sect that went to Haiti after the Earthquake and exported some hundreds to the USA.
Soooo; yes Mr. Ptolemy.......
We check that no human trafficking is taking place.
Sorry if that “delays” you.......
Do you think John Fowler doesn't know that or he continues to play the victim role?
At the minute 8:50(posted before) I can see John walking by with his young child during the war, two years after his“incident” in Buenos Aires airport. He doesn't look that terrified doesn't he?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=720lj4O_5lw
“Argentina does not recognize any authority in Malvinas to negociate a change”.
Then you're not going to get very far are you. Stop trying to involve the UK government in this. We have nothing to do with it. If you have a problem with the Falklands then you need to talk to their sovereign Government about what you are going to do to help them out.
If the FIG need the UK then no doubt they will ask for help.
Last big case hitting the headlines was that nice “Christian” sect that went to Haiti after the Earthquake and exported some hundreds to the USA.
You couldnt have that Think,you Argies wouldnt have anybody to do experiments on
GSK Argentina fined for experimenting vaccines in babies from poor families
GlaxoSmithKline Argentina Laboratories company was fined 400.000 Pesos (approx 90.000 dollars) by Judge Marcelo Aguinsky following a report issued by the National Administration of Medicine, Food and Technology (ANMAT) for the killing of 14 babies during illegal lab vaccine trials conducted between 2007 and 2008.
Stick to reading Mein Kampf and sucking Butt Heads cock fascist cunt.
I do recognize, understand and share the feelings Mr. Fowler describes in his two first paragraphs.
I would have felt precisely the same as he did….
He was not playing the victim in 1980.
He certainly was a potential victim.
But he is very much playing the victim today, in 2012………….
On a lighter venue now…………….:
An Anglo poster made me chuckle today suggesting that Mr. Fowler should have tried to bribe that customs official into confiscating his mother-in-law ;-)
What kind of parallel universe do you live in?
His island has just been invaded by 30,000 Argentine troops, the same military that has just RAPED, TORTURED AND MURDERED between 50,000 and 100,000 of their own youth (their children included on the basis of their political beliefs - or in the case of the children simply because they were witness to events) and you claim he didn't look scared enough - based on your analysis of a 2 second clip from a 30 year old newsreel on youtube?
Even if it's the same man, purhaps you should try asking him.
But I understand you Nazi scum, don't believe anything that doesn't fit into your own propagandised interpretation of anything.
You still explain away the genocide of your own people, as “the removal of terrorists”.
You are coward scum and I swear to God I'd love to smack the living daylights out of you.
There are decent Argentines and they despise you people as much as the rest of us. They don't get much of a voice in Argentina but they come on here often enough to be accused of being traitors by nationalist fanatical maniacs like you and Think.
Sick people. Maybe you'll grow up one day. Maybe you'll just die lamenting the defeat a fascist military, under the command of a fascist military dictatorship faced after invading a defenseless group of islands, which they believed the world wouldn't do anything about.
Sick people, 1,000 dead on top of their tally of murders and oppression.
Didn't look scared in the 2 second news clip! I prey for you people, you really are the scum of the Earth.
I try to avoid any interaction with turnips like you…… but here you really excelled!
Yes……; Glaxo Smith Kline has been fined for experimenting vaccines in babies from poor Argentinean families.
Glaxo Smith Kline is a BRITISH MULTINATIONAL. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlaxoSmithKline
What a Turnip!
The only thing that matters here is that Argentina are NOT allowed to come up with some surreptitious 'plan' to disadvantage the Falklanders access to the rest of the world.
In any event the Argentine flag carrier is a very poorly run business with aircraft of almost vintage status. I personally do not fly on this carrier which reduces my options and costs extra money.
On safety grounds alone how can anyone dare to when the country cannot even run trains properly.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=720lj4O_5lw
71 Think
You're just scum. No one on here is interested in what you have to say. All you manage is to underline the hypocrisy of your own cause. A cause you know and have admitted on here again and again is full of hypocrisy. What motivates you isn't justice, its nationalism, the same nationalism that propelled Germany into Czechoslovakia, Poland, France, Holland, Belgium, Russia and beyond.
Argentina has smaller ambitions but the same motivation and the same rational, even the same philosophy, national socialism - nationalism, socialism, corporatism. In Italy they called it fascism, in Argentina Juan Peron called it Peronism. Christina Kirchiner's hero Eva took it on, employing the AAA to do some of the dirty work, in her war on leftists but the CIA needed the military to finish the work of their Operation Condor (google it!) and they went to town. Borges says 50,000 - 100,000, a genocide and a crime against humanity.
What do you call it? The necessary eradication of left wing terrorists. They weren't even terrorists, not that you could have tens of thousands of “terrorists” and you know it!
Scum.
www.stonegateinstitute.org/2294/argentina-iran-nuclear-cooperation
There appears to be a growing band of similar distasteful countries banding together to save their own political skins. Its quite revolting.
As I previously said to “Mr. Stick up your Junta” att post (71) ..:
I normally avoid any interaction with turnips like you…… but here you really excelled!
Let me correct some of your “minor” misconceptions.....:
1) Christina Kirchiner….? You surely mean Cristina Kirchner....
2) Eva Peron died in 1952……….! You surely meant Isabel Peron....
3) I don’t need to “Google” the “Plan Condor”………….. I did survive it....
4) Regrettably, Borges never did say much against the dictatorship. (I liked the man)
5) I have always been a “Left Leaning, Scandinavian Style, Social Democrat”; apparently a wrong big enough to be persecuted by our old dictatorships and idiotically accused by the likes of you.
What a Turnip!
“An Anglo poster made me chuckle today suggesting that Mr. Fowler should have tried to bribe that customs official into confiscating his mother-in-law”
I never thought about that before...what a great idea :-)
70 anti-fascist2
Of course nothing compare of how well Brits treated children in Iraq a few years ago...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkXu1UVTSzU
Of course, the Kelpers and their keeper, Mr. Cameron, have fallen right into Cristina's trap. Her offer was met with with the same portions of slander and half- truths that are tossed at her every other gesture toward the islands. Several of the folks who write into these pages are fond of repeating the accusation that Argentina “shoots itself in the foot”. Now we in Argentina can look to the southeast to gain a clearer perspective on this form of mass self-mutilation.
On a more serious note, I wonder if the no thinking on flights to Buenos Aires is unanimous among the islanders. Surely there must be at least a dozen or so people out there saying, “Hey, just a minute! Don't turn this down on my account!” Have you considered the possibility that your tourist business might no longer be confined to passengers on cruise ships?
Are you folks thinking or just reloading for the other foot?
It isn't.
You are quite right about us needing the additional flights and that is why we will soon take up the offer of flights direct from that large city up north. Just not your large city up north. You see KFC knows how close we are to putting it all in place so she is desperate. The people we are dealing with have no dealings with Argentina and therefore cannot be controlled by your president. They will not be her pawn and they are keen to work with us. They know with the oils work taking root the number of flights will quickly grow from 2 or 3 a week to eventually 2 or 3 a day within a short number of years.
Beats me.
Yeah, and the argument that it makes good business sense for tourism is like telling an attractive female office clerk that she could make more money being a hooker. Even if she could put up with the offensiveness of it, it will most likely eventually go all wrong when she catches an STD or when her pimp starts getting too greedy.
Actually dealing with KFC could give you very similar outcomes to that analogy.
and also.... in a world where you can fly non stop between Sydney and BA and between Madrid and Santiago why would anybody even think of coming to MPA via BA from anywhere
OK just cancel the offer guys..you pay the bill....No Problema..As long as the brits are stupid enough to foot the bill,I do not care...
But the thing is, when the UK does say no thanks (and it has to be the UK, even though, of course, they will ask FIG first) the Argies won't leave it at that. They will squeal and carry on about it. Why would they be so bothered if it is just simply a genuine offer of kindness?
Get real you idiots.
Thanks for your thoughtful rules. Of course you do realise the zombies from your country on here will label you a Brit in disguise. They'll even challenge you to write a few sentences on here in Spanish to prove you are Argentine. The poor idiots.
Anyway, good luck with your real problems over there and thanks for your support for us over here where our biggest problem is of course whether your government may do something crazy that could hurt us and our families.
I think they are going (to continue) to do crazy things that hurt the average Argentinian and his family... the middle class will cop it once again.... the Falklands are just a sideshow.
Unfortunately they will insist with their favourite game, which is victimization, and to twist some important facts.
I dont deny that per haps our government commited mistakes when it recalled the agreements that it had signed in the past with the u. k. But at the same time, you reject sistematicly since 1983 all the resolutions that call the two parts of the conflict to resume the negotiations, anyway i know that during the shamefull decade of the 90's, it was stablished the umbrella policy, but that decaded finished in 1999 luckily, and even after that you continued rejecting to resume the negotiations, so, it's only our side the one that is not acting correctly?, i know that your hipocresy wont never let you recognize that you are not acting correctly neather, and will insist with you usuall pathetic game, so, dont complain if we have more problems in the future, because accept it or not, you know very well that your own intransigence is part of the result of the actual scenario.
Regarding the article of our constitution, mr fowler omits that beyond what our constitution expresses, the u. n. and most international comunity never asked the u. k. to transfer the sovereignty to argentina, all the resolutions only call the two parts to resume the negotiations and fin a fair solution, even c. f. k said in diferent forums that we are not asking the u.k. to recognize that the islands are argentine, beside she also assured that none islanders will have to renounce to the british nationality.
Anyway, like i always say, the worse of this situation aren't the omitions and the so partial analysis of the mediocre politicians or giornalists like this guy, the worse is that planty of people may be believe them.
Are you fucking insane or what? How did you for one moment think we would accept your whore of a president's delusional offer? Grow a fucking brain. We want nothing to do with you and your crazy government.
Yes. Unfortunately there is a premium to pay when you live next door to an abusive, violent, bullying, disrespectful and threatening neighbour. It is for the unfortunately essential extra security and the ability to avoid them at all costs.
It is a shame but that is an everyday reality for Falklanders.
Thank you for your kind offer.
However we won't be taking it up as we don't trust you.
Oh, and by the way, just in case you didn't understand our position:-
THERE WILL BE NO NEGOTIATIONS ON SOVEREIGNTY.
I can't make it any clearer than that.
@87 & 89 Zahida,
Thank you very much for your input.
You are the type of Argentine that we want as a neighbour.
We can co-operate.
@60Furry-fat-feck,
You are on a winner if you can hold the Squatter to it!
Every single story you read about on the internet relating to Argentina is to be honest crap - it just looks like a completely lawless and corrupt government who will lead your country down a very long and bad garden path.
Surely there have to be some politicians in your country who are not tainted by corruption, ridiculous nationalism and economic incompetence and could do a good job for your country.
Axel, you just dont get this do you? you have bene brainwashed at school over this Falklands issue and you cannot see the wood for the trees. you have no legitimate claim on the FI and the pre conditions set by your government that it must start and end with sovereignty for Argentina is frankly a joke. there is no chance whatsoever of the UK sitting down and talking with the current administration in BA. Frankly your President is a crackpot and just seems mentally unstable.
If you want to understand how normal and stable democracies go on look to Europe, the USA etc. and you see some stable examples. Fair enough they arent perfect but compare it to what you have and you start too see your internal deficiencies.
The FI are British, always have been, are and always will be. Your country really needs to forget about them and move on. Aligning yourself with other crackpot south American countries who love nothing more than Western Gringo Bashing, spouting on about “pirates”, “colonialsim” and “imperialism” every other word might play well with Chavez or Iran (the pariahs of the world) but everyone else in the civilised world just cringes and such behaviour will get you nowhere.
Don't come the raw prawn with us. Your offer, of taking away something that we want and replacing it with something we don't want, is no offer at all, and well you know it.
It's a gambit. We know it, and everyone else knows it. It's cynical and manipulative. If you don't know that then you're a credulous fool.
www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/242241
www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/29/hillary-clinton-cristina-kirchner-stress
1) Argentina dictatorship ended 29 years ago…
2)The story he tells about Ezeiza Airport and the request for children papers is simply no longer possible : now Islanders can travel with British passports.
3)Between 1971 and 1982, the White Card was applicable to everybody (i.e. holders of Argentine or British IDs), not only islanders, in the transit between the Islands and the Argentine Mainland, as a way to avoid problems with the determination of nationality. At that time, Argentina requested to any person born in Argentina but having dual nationality, to enter or leave Argentina only with Argentine IDs or Passports. Since long before, this is no longer requested.
4) As a matter of course, the Argentine government will not have to discuss with the British government of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas) matters that relate to a treaty signed between two States : Argentina and the UK. Mexico will not discuss with California something related to a treaty concluded with the USA, even if it concern practical questions of California
5) According to the UK itself, matters related to foreign relations are not the resort of the local government, but of the FCO.
6) Fowler forgets that the UK is in breach, vis-à-vis Argentina, of its obligation to settle international disputes through the existing peaceful means, and this, for decades. You cannot expect the Argentine government helping you in exploring and exploiting the natural resources of an area under dispute. Put an end your breach of international obligations.
7) The interim provision of the 1994 Constitution is simply a statement of the traditional Argentine position, it does not prevent negotiations and cannot determine its outcome. Like the UK legislation considering the Islands a BOT. If there are negotiations and the outcome requires the modification of the domestic law of any party or both, this can be a condition for any agreement
and how many times has argentina been in breach,
or ignored , or just couldent be bothered, .
Why would the UK government and the FIG agree to anything with Argentina when there is nothing to agree to other than the FI are sovereign UK territory.
Again you just dont get this. The UK and the FI has no incentive to sit down and give you RG's anything.
Its a bit like me owning my own house, my noisy neighbour hassling me because he wants it and asking me to sit down and agree the terms under which he can have it for nothing.
Utter madness. Your blind nationalism and schoolboy George Orwellian brainwashing renders the majority of your countrymen seemingly incapable of seeing how utterly futile your efforts look to the rest of the world.
just forget about it and move on. Stop educating your children about this futile exercise and start educating them on economics and social stability.
Thank you for your thoughts and words, they encourage hope and go a long way to restoring some of my faith in humanity.
It is obvious that many Argentines feel very strongly about this and the claim to Argentine sovereignty is not really what bothers anybody. Everybody is entitled to an opinion. It is the methodology and the belligerence that grates.
I am also shocked and saddened by some of the language and some of the sentiments posted by some of those who claim to support the Falklanders. It simply doesn't help anybody.
The Falklanders have put their all into building their homes and raising their families for generations and whatever injustices the British may have done or are simply accused of doing, they did none of it in the Falkland Islands. The people who live there just want to do so in peace. And whatever the Argentine people may or may not think I know they just want the same.
Your president however appears to have other ideas.
The UK cannot negotiate sovereignty because 1) The Falklanders have the final say, not the UK and not Argentina and 2) The Argentine constitution forbids it. They say that Sovereignty is non negotiable.
So what exactly does the Argentine president wish negotiate with regard to sovereignty?
At a guess she just wants to know when the Falklanders are going to give their sovereignty over to Argentina. Is anybody in any doubt what the answer is going to be? Surely not.
Anyway thank you for yor input. Good luck to you, your family and your country. Try to ignore anybody who accuses you of being British or unpatriotic. I just think you want your country to evolve and develop without resorting to bullying it's neighbours. Fair play to you, you strike me as very brave and try to ignore some the comments made by the war hawks on the Falklands/UK side. In their/our defence, they really have been provoked by all this nonsense.
1) Argentina dictatorship ended 29 years ago…
2)The story he tells about Ezeiza Airport and the request for children papers is simply no longer possible : now Islanders can travel with British passports.
3)Between 1971 and 1982, the White Card was applicable to everybody (i.e. holders of Argentine or British IDs), not only islanders, in the transit between the Islands and the Argentine Mainland, as a way to avoid problems with the determination of nationality. At that time, Argentina requested to any person born in Argentina but having dual nationality, to enter or leave Argentina only with Argentine IDs or Passports. Since long before, this is no longer requested.
4) As a matter of course, the Argentine government will not have to discuss with the British government of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas) matters that relate to a treaty signed between two States : Argentina and the UK. Mexico will not discuss with California something related to a treaty concluded with the USA, even if it concern practical questions of California
5) According to the UK itself, matters related to foreign relations are not the resort of the local government, but of the FCO.
6) Fowler forgets that the UK is in breach, vis-à-vis Argentina, of its obligation to settle international disputes through the existing peaceful means, and this, for decades. You cannot expect the Argentine government helping you in exploring and exploiting the natural resources of an area under dispute. Put an end your breach of international obligations.
(to be followed…)
I have read all this somewhere before. Where was it now?
Oh there it is. Post number 98. It was you.
Why are you repeating yourself?
Oh the wonders of cut and paste. Well done you. You are very clever.
7) The interim provision of the 1994 Constitution is simply a statement of the traditional Argentine position, it does not prevent negotiations and cannot determine its outcome. Like the UK legislation considering the Islands a BOT. If there are negotiations and the outcome requires the modification of the domestic law of any party or both, this can be a condition for any agreement. I’ve never seen any government going to the negotiations table supporting the position of the other. Before 1994 there was no interim provision in the Argentine Constitution and there was the similar British NO to negotiations. Another excuse, taking advantage of the position of force.
8) I am not sure that Islanders would not like to go to BA. This is just another social pressure. Those who went to the Argentine capital were well treated and even Fowler likes the city. Come on John, it is not a shame to like it! All (Yes, I said “all”) my foreign friends, including all my British friends who came to BA love it.
9) You cannot put the 1982 dictatorship illegal use of force as a consequence of the very useful communications and other services Argentina gave to the Islanders during 1971-1982. This is simply part of Anti-Argentine propaganda. Life improved in the islands with those services.
10) Argentina made a concrete and useful proposal. You can discuss it, propose alternatives, propose the reactivation of chartered flights, etc etc. If you just say NO, do not then complain.
11) The 1999 agreement did not provide to a change of the name “Puerto Argentino”, but the study of questions concerning toponomy. Go and negotiate all the points, and insist on this. If you do not wish to negotiate the core issue, do not complain and require the other party to do things to unilaterally satisfy yourselves, if you do not accept anything from Argentina.
I am sure they can give your their answer without you having to cut and paste somebody else's novella about why they should just shut up and accept.
Just ask them.
Marcelo what you say may be true but for as long as your President inflames the situation then no one will listen to you. No one trust this lady and the turbulence of your politics means that what one administration says today will likely change with the next one. Everything is on a whim and your government is just far too inconsistent.
Most of the people who know the Argentines well say that you are not to be trusted. Sad but the impression I get from reading some of my fellow British friends on here.
Perhaps the main point is not BA but the connectivity from there to other parts of the world. Most Island residents think only UK and there are regular flights there. For me, connections to the USA, the Pacific and Far east are just as important.
Punta is a nice little place, but it is not satisfactory as an international hub.
Besides, a weekend in BA (harassement free) would make a change from the endless gales and cold of the Falklands/Malvinas, wouldn't it?
Poster 104 makes some good points. But in the Island residents minds “Argies” can't don't and never will ever make a good point, will they!
Can you really blame them? It is a bit like sorting out the chaff from the wheat with a pair of pliers.
Well if descending from a vessel to push the people to leave the place by using weapons, and also force them to put down their flag after having accepted the independence of Argentina by your own government in 1825 is not stealing... then we might use a different name, now you tell me what name can we use for the facts of England on Malvinas in what you did in 1833, I hope you can be honest and use the same name for what you did in 1086 and 1087 in Buenos Aires and Montevideo....
Why are you trying to change history my friend ? it is all already written about it... or you think that the resolutions of the UN 2065 and 3160 are just because you did nothing in 1833 ???
why also your king in 1908 included Malvinas, Sandwich, Georgias other islands from Arg and also Chilean territory as british... what are u doing 14.000 km away of England.....
She is too nice to this non-people. No more LAN flights, no more british flagged vessels, no more british products here and nationalize every british company! to start with!
Then, government should threat all companies involved in operations in the islands, persecute them all around the world making them untrustable and making them losing money till they stop operating there.
The policy should be to make their everyday life more difficult, miserable and depressing!
After all, this non-people are just dirty squatters!
Your government already has such policies in place..... 'After all, are just dirty squatters!'
Enjoy your KFC paradise.......
Damn Good British Television…..:
Galloway, Johnson & Portillo
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17232314
PS:
We are working hard to provide Mr. Johnson the “catalyst” he still can’t see…
1831: Vernet seizes three US vessels and imprisons their crews. The US sends the USS Lexington and arrests seven of Vernets men. The Captain of the Lexington offers to take the settlers off the island. Most accept, however 24 remain and continue working for Vernet. The US declares the islands free from Government.
1832: Argentina sends a garrison commanded by Captain Jean Etienne Mestivier. Mestivier is murdered following a mutiny.
1833: Britain re-establishes control of the islands. (See Re-establishment of British rule on the Falklands (1833).)
so for the removal of all doubt.....
“@113 'The policy should be to make their everyday life more difficult, miserable and depressing!'
Your government already has such policies in place..... 'After all, are just dirty squatters!'
Enjoy your KFC paradise.......”
want to be friendly
Argentina has not made a 'concrete and useful proposal'. Argentina is attempting to blackmail and threaten us, again.
We have already said, repeatedly, what we want. That is a second flight to Chile and a resumption of charter flights.
Islanders already can visit BA, via Rio Gallegos. I never heard of anyone doing it, but I'm sure someone has.
Your government is offering us something we don't want and can't accept so that it can then kick us in the teeth again and blame it on us. We know what we need and we will not be pressured into doing something against our interests by pressure from you.
Your strategy is to make it in our interests to submit to your demands by threatening to wreck our economy and way of life if we don't agree. How could you ever think that would work?
We will complain,thanks. Robbing us of our charter flights and using them as a bargaining counter to impose control over our air links is a disgusting gambit and we will complain long and loud if we feel like it. You don't get to tell us what to do, not over this or anything else.
107 Graham
''Most Island residents think only UK'' No, we don't.
''endless gales and cold of the Falklands/Malvinas''......my Argentine troll detector is starting to glow blue......
''But in the Island residents minds “Argies” can't don't and never will ever make a good point, will they!'' Oh dear. Why don't you crawl back under your stone?
Finally sorted the other business
'Your government already has such policies in place..... 'After all, are just dirty *ARGENTINE* squatters!'
there... that feels better
You are the second Argentinian in 2 days that has made a genuine statement for peace and understanding.
If I keep reading form Argentine posters like you - I'll have to rethink my views on Argentinians!
I agree that we all have bigger problems to deal with. CFK is squandering her time in office by picking a fight with us over something that happened 180+ years ago (not forgeting the 1982 war).
If your country made a genuine effort to become good neighbours - we would all win. Thanks for being a voice of reason.
@ axel - Lets see why the Falklanders don't want to have air links via BA instead of Chile.
Imagine you are on a small island in the middle of the south atlantic.
Now imagine that that a nearby country (lets call it country A) has recently invaded you and maintains it claims on you after being ejected at considerable loss in blood and treasure by the country most of you come from (country B).
You share little culutural or national affiliation at all with country A.
Country A has closed its ports to ships flying your flag, harrasses your shipping at sea and is trying to get a neighbouring country (lets call it C) to stop regular flight to you.
Country A louldy and regularly restates its desire to occupy you and denies you the right to self determination because you are “squatter and usurpers”. Country A also lies about you on the world stage, to the degree where they get regularly caught out by making outrageous statements that get proven to be false.
Would you let county A now control access to the outside world by air?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuB3Vd7ygAo
@102 in response to Prof. Kohen's nonsense:
1) Any political scientist will tell you that Argentina currently has a 'Family Dictatorship' or personalistic regime. Look either up in a book, because the next leader, Fat-Nestor is being groomed for the job.
2)Yes, they can travel with British Passports, but if they became independent as per the C24's remit they wouldn't be allowed to travel with Falklands passports. Argentina is clearly not supporting the remit of the C24.
4) The FIG government can discuss things relating to itself, that's just a truism.
5) Matters related to foreign relations are not always the resort of the local government, but of the FCO, who may delegate such things to the local government as part of the 'mature relationship' we have with the BOT.
6) Kohen forgets that the Argentina is in breach, vis-à-vis UK and UN, of pretty much every obligation it has ever signed (1850 Treaty of Friendship, Every agreement after the sovereignty umbrella 1999, UNSCR 502, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera). It's currently trying to breach US domestic anti-boycott laws according to another poster.
7) Any constitutional point is a constitutional point, based upon social values rather than social interest. You cannot negotiate away the americans right to use firearms which is enshrined in the constitution and based upon their own civic values. In the same way, when the argentinians decided to put this into the constitution they made expansionism explicitly one of their social values. This is not something you can negotiate away, and therefore is a demand.
8) No one wants to fly to Buenes Aires and certainly not with Argentinian Plummet Airlines. I'm pretty sure you don't fly with them either.
9) Whatever positives the Argentinians provided to the Islanders, were overwhelmingly destroyed when they invaded the islands, against international
economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/economy/foreign-trade/argentinas-new-import-norms-impacting-indian-exports-fieo/articleshow/12132311.cms
RG land is happy to export but as usual wants it all their own way and wont take imports, as we know, because the coffers are almost bare.
Surely it cant be long before the money runs out and the country is once more in chaos?
against international law.
10) It's just a proposal based upon a relationship containing absolutely no trust. There is no trust because Argentina has a historical precedent of not keeping to anything that it signs, bullying other nations, delinquency in international laws, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Under negotiation studies (I really don't know why you, as a lawyer know absolutely nothing about negotiation, or seemingly, law) Argentina is what we would call a die-hard bargainer. They don't enter into negotiations unless they're going to come out gaining something. In this extreme case, they don't enter into negotiations with anything. Negotiations are based upon trust between the two parties and no one trusts Argentina, except for maybe North Korea or Iran.
Face facts, you cannot arbitrate or negotiate with the likes of Argentina.
Have Argentina ever apologised to the Falkland Islanders for invading their country?
Even many of the families of war veterans refused to go to Falklands because they would have to show their passport and they consider it their territory.
You have to remember that regardless of the bare-faced lies of Argentinians, the Falklands War was incredibly popular amongst the Argentinians. The huge amount of mullet-wearing machismo that they exhibit prevents them from admitting that they even lost the war, and celebrating failures like the sinking of the Belgrano.
Never expect an apology from an argentinian, just expect lies and hypocrisy. I'm not even convinced they apologised for the genocide of the first nations people.
Enjoy
Argentina - Missing Generation
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko-DKkKNoPg&feature=related
Why? What would you think they'd do?
@131: good question. With good will, all parties could have what their main interests are. Argentina will be satisfied with the recognition of its sovereignty. The UK with keeping the existing conditions of life in the islands as they are. With a plus: all the problems existing because of the dispute would dissapear. This is the solution I prefer. If not, lets go the ICJ. If the UK you will have what you claim now: Argentine end of its claim. If Argentina wins, then the only thing to negotiate will be the date of the withdrawal of the British administration. Argentine free movement around its territory would be possible, i.e. imagine that the population composition will be substantially modified.
1. Machismo dictates that they feel emasculated because they lost the Falklands war. Under South American precedent, UK is entitled to keep what it won.
2. Chavinism/Exceptionalism dictates that their country is fantastic (it's not) and peronism will deliver them to the glorious social-fascist future.
3. Peronism, like Nazism, espouses agressive expansionism.
They're basically stuck in a national pit of cognitive dissonance, unable to get out. So, if they ever got the islands, they would quite likely mismanage it, just like they mismanage all the other areas of Argentina, and it would fall under the spell of post-iberian corruptionism.
@133 Prof. Law, the UK doesn't engage with the C24 because they're widely regarded as being an anachronism and den of iniquity that completely fails to stick to it's true remit, which is to decolonise territories. This is compared to Argentina's insistence that it becomes a tool of neonationalist expansionism and discusses the demanded recreation of colonies under other nations. Lord knows why the UN sponsors this nonsense. End of story.
Even a mediocre solicitor would know that 'Calls upon' isn't a demand. UNSCR 502 'demanded' an immediate withdrawal of all Argentine forces, this is something Argentina failed to do, making it delinquent in the eyes of the UN. End of story.
In 1850 the UK and Argentina agreed we had settled all outstanding differences. End of story.
Now Prof. Law, given that you claim to be a UN lawyer, which part of that are you struggling to understand and I can write it very slooowllly?
Maybe he like many people feel disgust at the sickening level of cowardice being shown by the past 50 years of argentine governments, in attempting to intimidate, bully and blackmail the islanders in submission, while also noting the sheer level of rank hypocrisy shown by a nation entirely constructed out of land violently stolen from it's native inhabitants and intentionally mass settled with white immigrants.
Also tell me exactly what legal merit the C24 resolutions have when they utterly contradict the UN charter, ICJ precedents, and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights as well as the very GA resolution they were created upon by demanding the islander's wishes be ignored in favor of argentina's nationalist bullying?
Also its rich seeing an argentine malvinist like you complain about using “irrelevant treaties” seeing how many times the Nootka sounds treaty and even Papal bulls are desperately cited to boost argentina's already utterly fallacious and deceitful claim
As for the 1850 treaty, the argentine government stated on an official level it had no dispute or difference with the UK on any matter, which would include the Falklands as you claim argentina was still claiming it at the time. had argentina still claimed the Islands why did it not amend the treaty to say so?
as for taking it to the ICJ, that is argentina's duty as it is argentina which alleges there is an injustice. However, this will end badly, as it will have to somehow convince the court (among many, many other things) that it's own genocidal conquest of what is now argentina is somehow legal and morally legitimate while Britain peacefully enforcing an old claim on uninhabited islands (aside from the settlement which only existed after gaining our permission, and which we allowed to stay) somehow constitutes some “great historic injustice”
Seeing how terrified your governments have been to take the ICJ route, i'm guessing they know full well the outcome
If you're such a great UN Lawyer, maybe you would be best placed to enlighten us as to why the UN sees fit to engage in a policy of colonialisation by allowing the remit of the Special Committee on Decolonisation to go completely beyond it's remit to the discussion of sovereignty disputes and also to the intended colonisation of a self-governing territory against the wishes of the population or peoples that fought to be independent from that country in 1982?
Thanks in advance for your response.
I noticed that as well. Since the islanders own the land, and have their own self government regulating immigration, land use and resource management, it seems he wishes to see this stripped of them with their self determination and their ownership of their homes (as they are unable by argentine law to even name their capital) and then would like to enact whatever measures needed to shift the population to being overwhelmingly argentine.
Most likely (given the previous policy of their 1982 invasion) “encouraging” the islanders to leave by systematically destroying their livelihoods, property rights, and their human status while settling large numbers of argentines in their place
In short, ethnic cleansing, just like what his nation did with so many other peoples who did not fit in with his governments nationalist view of a “pure” argentina.
this wish also seems to be shared by his government, given this officially made propaganda video, showing the islanders near utterly cleansed
www.youtube.com/watch?v=adl3dfiH6ug
its unfortunate such disgusting nationalist dogma still exist in the 21st century
He knows the UK won't go to the ICJ on this issue and the UK agreed not look at anything before the early 1970s. So the Argentinians are able to do nothing but try to beg the UK to negotiate when they know they bring absolutely nothing to the negotiation table. The Argentinians are essentially powerless and emasculated on this issue.
Sounds like ethnic cleansing to me.
(124) @ The Cestrian
I know it isn’t ALL about the Falkland Islands but what if...............?
NEWS FLASH
Indian Trade Minister violently attacked by his Argentine counterpart.
“It was horrible” said one eye witness. The Indian feller was walking down the road minding his own business when this other feller draped in an Argentine flag approached him and attacked without warning or provocation.
The poor Indian chap went down under a fusillade kicks and punches and then it stopped. Just like that.
The Argentine feller then helped the indian feller to his feet and said the strangest thing.
“We are friends yes?”
The Indian feller, who to be fair, had just been done over hesitated and the Argentine feller attacked again with renewed ferocity.
After this the Argentine bloke helped the Indian bloke up again and repeated his earlier remark.
“I SAID. We are friends yes?”
The Indian bloke replied “Yes”. There was nothing more he could do.
The Argentine bloke spoke again.
“If you support us in our claim over las Malvinas” he said, “We will be happy to trade with India”
“Las Malvinas?” enquired the Indian expecting another attack. It did not happen but the Argentinian bloke rolled his eyes and pulled out a map of the South Atlantic, pointing at a group of islands 300 miles off the coast of Patagonia.
“Oh“ thought the Indian bloke, ”the Falkland Islands”. He had cottoned on now and was wise enough not to say it out loud.
Out loud he did say
“Okay. Can I go on my way now?”
“Only if you agree” growled the Argentinian.
“We agree” said the Indian
“We are friends” announced the Argentinian with an expansive grin.
“Erm. Okay” said the Indian, and limped to the nearest hospital.
Epilogue
Trade between India and Argentina resumed but prices for Indian goods began to rise and Argentina lost it’s surplus.
Argentina claimed another ‘supporter’.
The rest of LATAM looked on in utter bewilderment.
THE END
I'm surprised these soon to be economic powerhouses are letting Argentina bully them.
@98 Just some minor points. You “say” the argie dictatorship ended 29 years ago. Doesn't look like it to us. You are a dictatorship. You don't understand. You get to discuss your “proposal” with whoever we say you will discuss it with. The British Government decides who will represent it, not you. The UK isn't in breach of anything. You can't be in breach of something that isn't binding. Sorry? YOUR constitution says your claim to the Islands is “absolute”. You can't “negotiate” an “absolute right”. Seems you don't even know what words mean!
''But some people in the Islands are determined to keep Islanders as far as contacting Argentine people as possible.''
Who? By what mechanism? Your average Islander wants nothing to do with Argentine people because of the fact that you want to take away our country and you are trying to strangle our economy. I fail to see what part of that you find hard to understand. Surely that's what you want, isn't it? If you wanted a different result you would act differently.
Instead of facing up to the consequences of your actions and policies (ie most islanders hate you) you come up with this cock and bull conspiracy theory.
No-one is stopping islanders from contacting Argentines. You are doing it all by yourselves. And when you stop the Lan flight you will have completed it. We don't want that- you do.
''i.e. imagine that the population composition will be substantially modified.'' eew...another icky Argentine threat of ethnic cleansing. Nice. And you have the barefaced cheek to wonder why we don't like you!
Are you the only Jewish fascist in the world ?
Oh dear. I might have thrown a ball up there. I wonder if anybody will notice the opener and bat it back?
@138 Does anyone else not worry about the messaging of that advert from CFK's office (www.youtube.com/watch?v=adl3dfiH6ug). As a persuasive piece it's promising argentinians, judging from the technology, a near-future Malvinas where all the locals have been expelled and only Argentines exist, and even the language has been shifted to Spanish.
So the underlying message here is that as a result of CFK's decisions, the Falklands are at some point soon going to be under Argentine rule and their current existence destroyed. Not only is that threatening, it's agressive, antagonistic and the promise of annihilation is very clear, and going to happen soon.
I cannot cope with all this Argentinian 'peace'.
Waht you RE ESTABLISH was your ilegal garrison at port Edmond __
well, you left it because Spain clamed for it and you gave ti to them, so you are not RE ESTABLISHING anything, you are stealing. as you did in Buenos Aires and Montevideo, in that ocassion you were kicked out and burned in oil and boiled water on the hands of the citizens of both cities in 106 and 1807, of course this was a part of spain,,, but after that your country recognized Argentina as a free nation, then you took down our flag from Malvinas in 1833. Will you deny this fact ¨TOO ... ?
Does anybody know what Chavez is doing right now? Do we know where his shiny Russian jets are at the minute? There hasn’t been any recent troop movements has there? I mean, the Argentine forces can’t do much and I don’t think the rest of LATAM is really all that interested. So long as Argentina is obsessing about ‘las Malvinas’ they aren’t obsessing about all of their other territorial claims in the region. But Chavez................? Nutty as a fruit cake, him and KFC both. He is just busting for a fight with a gringo.
ISOLDE: I understood perfectly your posture, and if i dont answer your comments usally, it's because it's noy usefull to debate with someone who has such a mediocre thought like yours. If you have no capacity to realise that you are not asking correctly neather, that's your problem, victimization will be the only thing you can do, like all the mediocre people.
MONTY69: What's the problem with the connection betwen the islands and buenos aires by aerolineas argentinas?, per haps the open skies policy is good too, but the offer by our government should not be rejected so soon dont you think?, that's why it's necesary that both parts discuss and find a usefull connection that satifies both sides. But as usuall this is evident that you wont recognize that you are not acting correctly neather, as long as you insist on rejecting the resolutions that call the two parts of the conflict to resume the negotiations, this is expectable that we will continue having problems, so, dont complain, and do also a critic of your own behaviour, dont blame only us, like the tipical mediocre people, who only likes to cry and not to recognize their mistakes, what did you expect, flowers?.
SHB: As usuall, you only cry and victimize your side only, and dont make any critic for the behaviour of your country, as long as you dont have any capacity to realise that the hard decitions that our government took, are due to the intransigence of your side, in order to resume the negotiations, like the u. n and mots international comunity signalize, then it's useless to continue debating about this problematic.
THE CESTRAIN: The history will always be submited to omitions, that's why it's necesary to investigate like i did. If the right to self determination is really applicable for this people, that only can be assured by a judgement from the i. c. j. and if both dont take the case to the court, it's because may beboth aren't sure that they can win
@148 Judging from this advert, I wouldn't be surprised if they had decided upon military intervention. It clearly shows that whatever is going to happen is going to happen in the near future, and as such is a direct promise of a threat to the people's of the islands. What's worse, is that her claims of not affecting the people's of the islands is replaced by everyone speaking Spanish, which implies eradication of culture and peoples from the fact that the advert only shows hispanics. This is apparently the 'future of the Falklands', and at last KFC is beginning to show her hand of cards.
You're correct, Chavez is on his way out. The ideal cherry on his cake would be a 'peaceful' with some white people (Argentina is white) and I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't do something very 'peaceful', or something 'peaceful' hadn't been discussed.
It'll be interesting to see what happens next.
I cannot see the rest of LATAM joining in or anybody else for that matter, war is bad for business. They will be happy to see Argentina bust another gut over this, a truly powerful Argentina is a horrific idea to her neighbours.
It doesn’t of course but that does not matter.
I wonder if she has got the Iranians to send some subs or something.
I hope we haven’t missed anything and I hope that if they do use violence that we won’t pull our punches in defence.
@110 Perhaps you could remind us of the events of 1086 and 1087? Why do you persist with the STUPID argie idea that UNGA resolutions have any force? They are NON-BINDING! For your last paragraph, please explain why argieland and Chile waited until 1942 and 1940 respectively before making claims that overlapped the British Antarctic Territory claimed in 1908? Don't you argies EVER get tired of misrepresenting or lying about history?
@111 4000? You don't have enough aircraft. Especially given the ones that will be shot down for entering the EEZ without authorisation.
@113 Typical authoritarian, dictatorial, tyrannical, overbearing nazis.......sorry, argies. Easy mistake!
@118 Cut your head off and we'll tell you!
@122 Better than yours, half-breed!
@133 C24 “draft” resolutions are irrelevant. Note that. C24 cannot pass resolutions. It can only present “drafts” to the GA. C24 is irrelevant. It's why the UK doesn't attend. For the rest, you must think we're as thick as you are. UNSC 502 did you argie bastards cease fire? No. Did you argie bastards withdraw? No. And you want to criticise the UK for not negotiating? The best day this world will ever see is the day the last argie is annihilated.
@136 He means ethnic cleansing.
Get wise, argies. You couldn't fool a group of 5-year olds playing tiddley-winks. If you had the brains of a field full of turnips you still couldn't outwit people 200 years ahead of you!
If you're going to talk about slavery, you need to have a think about what you mean by getting everyone to apologise. It seems the UK actually did a lot to abolish slavery around the world.
Suck that one up.
The Argies certainly have a genius for alienating other people ,not just the Falklanders /British.
I hope the MOD transfers any residual contracts for beef and beef products to Uruguay or Brazil and stops the outdated colonialist policy of making Argentina first port of call for those products.
If you are tired of hearing me complain about your ludicrous claims and disgraceful behaviour, and you don't wish to associate with mediocre people such as myself, then I suggest you go somewhere else.
There are plenty of other place full of superior types who think just like you do.
What I expect from you is exactly what you do- illegal, immoral and reprehensible persecution. And that includes the Princess of Peace's bogus and manipulative flights offer. If you can't see what's wrong with swapping our Lan flight for a link to BA then you are mentally deficent.
Your little list would seem to pale into insignificance. The difference, of course, was that you and your forbears wanted to CONQUER and implant. By comparison, Britain wanted to trade. You can't trade with dead people.
It seems that you have a great deal that you should be ashamed of. Why is it that you are not only not ashamed, but that you want to continue in the same vein?
Hypocrites, every one of you!
Until Argentina changes it's constitution, stops brainwashing their children and accepts they have no rights whatsoever over the Falklands and will NEVER have, all such offers will be considered a poisoned chalice
@151 Wibon“Someday UK should apologize to humanity for all robberies and atrocities throughout the world: South africa, Belize, Gibraltar, India, Falkland, Egypt, Pakistan etc etc. For stealing humans in africa to be sold as slaves in the American colony. Despite its present dilapidated remains an aggressor country”
Argentinian history books must be much worse than anyone can imagine and as for dilapidated, have you taken a good look Argentina lately?
South Africans all got the vote because of British pressure, the indigenous Belizeans were saved from annihilation by the British, unlike elsewhere in central America, 90% of the population in Gibraltar is Italian and they don’t want Spain ruling them (who would), India and Pakistan benefited greatly from British rule whereas Spain wiped out whole populations by working them to death as slaves.
So what has Argentina ever done, except kill off most the original inhabitants and gone Bankrupt?
I was never quite sure whether he was joking, because he enjoyed joshing me about my piratical and imperialistic antecedents, but only a few days ago I stumbled on a report that confirms the existence of that plan. In a study by the US Marine Corps Command and Staff College entitled “War Since 1945 Seminar, Offensive Air Operations of The Flaklands (sic) War” I read:
“Argentina in fact had developed a plan for an invasion of the Falklands in the late 1960s. This plan was thought to be realistic because of the success of the Indian government’s military invasion of Portuguese Goa in 1961.
India’s operation had taken place without condemnation from other countries leading some Argentines, especially naval officer Jorge Anaya, to believe a similar act, based on territorial integrity, could be carried out in the Falklands. This plan was originally conceived by then Captain Jorge Anaya, who, at the time of the Argentine invasion in 1982, had risen to the rank of admiral and was the ranking officer of the Argentine Navy and a member of the ruling junta.
“The plan was simple. It included in sequential order a surprise landing on the islands, the removal of all of the inhabitants, their transport to Montevideo and their replacement with Argentine settlers. In a naive comparison with the 19th Century, the Argentines reasoned the British had taken similar actions in 1833!
“There is speculation that the ruling Argentine junta, plagued by internal unrest, economic woes including inflation and a threatened labour strike, had planned to activate the plan sometime between July and October 1982. The unexpected sequence of events in March supposedly caused them to take advantage of this opportunity and launch their operation ahead of schedule.
“This idea is denied by General Galtieri, the leader of the junta. He refused to admit a
“Should Britain return the Falkland Islands to Argentina?”
Yes 55.13% (13,068 votes)
No 29.86% (7,079 votes)
Islanders should hold a referendum to decide 15.01% (3,557 votes)
There is a hope, educated and prudent people in UK knows that Malvinas belong to Argentina.....inded the whole world knows that.
Common sense will prevail sooner or later ....
The earlier .... will be cheaper for everyone.
#115, Think, thanks for share.
Mr Galloway, a guy with a correct and wise long-term vision... i like this guy
yes it would not have ANYTHING to do with the multiple argentine websites ordering viewers to vote on the poll
still, i guess given how argentina is still burying itself in self pitying denial over it's humiliating defeat and inability to grow a national spine, such hilariously pathetic actions are to be expected
From my own poll of British & American news websites I would have said the results are more like;
No / Islanders should hold a referendum ;85%
Yes ;15%
George (The Cat) Galloway is totally discredited. Michael Portillo wiped the floor with him on This Week last thursday.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/9121706/Libyan-rebels-desecrate-graves-of-British-war-heroes.html
Are you the only Jewish fascist in the world ?
AHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!! The only nazi are the brits......sure in 1833,they did asked the Argentinian theirs opinions...
Prof Kohen: You are wasting your time,educating unemployed brits hooligans...
Already SA has decided: MALVINAS ARGENTINAS.......Down with the brits stupid imperialist...
PD.Prof Kohen,are you related with Dr Kohen in northern Argentina???
Foxtrot Oscar
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9109397/Argentina-prevents-British-cruise-ships-from-docking.html
Marcos: The brits are going down.Just the policy they had in Irak,Iran,Libia...now religuos orthodox are beign replaced by the formers....
Just wait until they give back to them.....Argentina has to wait..The brits have pissed too many people in their dark history.....
MalvinasArgentinas!
I just checked your info Marcos Alejandro……:
The Telegraph poll called: “Should Britain return the Falkland Islands to Argentina? ” at the end of the following article….:
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/9111201/Hit-Argentina-where-it-hurts-in-the-wallet.html
Of course I voted YES (as 13,177 other readers did, a staggering 55.31%)
Some 7,087 readers (29.75% ) did vote NO though....
Impressing!!!
On the Telegraph!!!
Some claimed it was to do with the burning of the Koran, by American troop,
First of, this has nothing to do with us, and either way is no excuse or justification to damage graves,
As this will just encourage retaliation, [would it not]
Let the dead rest in peace, as you will join them sooner or later .
.
Its funny really, you attack Argentina over the mere rumor that it may be “close” to Iran, and in this situation solidarity with Iran against a disastrous aggression against it would be the right line to take, yet its obvious they are not the same politically; could the Islamic Republic as currently run produce a woman leader like Cristina? Hopefully one day it will, when the aggression has passed, but all you haters probably deep down agree with the Taliban position on woman leaders
I know Argie coppers?
Senior officials in the Argentine province of Buenos Aires say they believe two recent attacks on Jewish cemeteries were probably the work of former police officiers.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/despatches/44266.stm
B'nai B'rith Calls for Thorough Investigation of Jewish Cemetery Desecration in Argentina
B’nai B’rith International joins with B'nai B'rith Argentina in condemning the desecration of graves in the Jewish cemetery of La Tablada over the weekend and calling for a thorough investigation of the crime.
In a joint statement, B’nai B’rith said, “The reiteration of the desecration of graves in the Jewish cemetery, without an adequate response from the authorities responsible for security, constitutes an attempt at intimidation and shows contempt for the most basic norms of coexistence and respect for democratic freedoms. We call for a thorough investigation to bring an end to crimes of this kind that are contrary to pluralistic norms.”
British illegal aliens should be deported. As Mexican In USA are, white people should treat others as they wish people treated them, that is a sacred rule people should remember.
So stop talking about it and do it.
@176 Regardless of these people's ideology, it certainly doesn't look like anything that vaguely resembles 'peaceful'. I'm not one to judge folks, but who on earth goes around kicking graves? It's like cowardice-max where you find someone who really really cannot fight back and then pick on them. Why don't they go around beating up disabled people while they're at it, or go into a hospital and beat up someone in a coma? I'm not sure what deity it is that they worship, but it's not the same as the one I do. Let's just hope the Buddhists are right when they say what goes around comes around.
@173 You should know white people. Argentina is completely white. You did have a brown person come to visit Argentina once, but you pushed them under a train. ARGENTINA IS WHITE!
Posting a random criminal act?
You can see some pictures of the British Cemetery in Buenos Aires.
www.maritimequest.com/misc_pages/monuments_memorials/british_cemetery_page_1.htm
That did make me laugh when I read Pirate making reference to white people and how they should behave. I forgot I wasn't on one of the Caribbean news sites that amuse me from time to time. By the way, if you think people use racist and threatening language on Mercopress have a look at some of those Caribbean sites.
All the times I visit Argentina and BA especially, it feels very different from say, Lima or even Santiago. Those places have a reasonable mix of white Europeans and darker-skinned native Americans. The difference in BA is stark. Everyone is white. Even in down in Patagonia where you would expect to see more darker people, there aren't very many on the Argentine side. The Chilean side, yes, there are plenty. There can only really be the one root cause for this situation.
Here's some photos of the Argentine war graves in the Falklands: img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2012/02/13/231779-falkland-islands.jpg they no one kicking those either.
@178 That's because ARGENTINA IS WHITE!! they don't like non-white people in Argentina or people who live on the Falklands, unless they're in this advert that details their view of the future (www.youtube.com/watch?v=adl3dfiH6ug). You cannot see any corruption going on there though, so it cannot be Argentina.
I just looked at La Nacion and most of the Argie bloggers there could not believe the results of the Telegraph poll as being accurate.They thought there has been a fix. I notice lots of Latin type names have posted on the Telegraph
.
The Argies must have got a good system of mobilising Malvinista posters on English speaking websites.
Red top newspapers, Stars dancing tv shows, Pop Factor tv shows uses the same process to get people to vote into their premium rate lines.
It's pretty simple, but absolutely unscientific.
“Just wait until they give back to them.....Argentina has to wait..The brits have pissed too many people in their dark history”
Of course there are always a few deranged, pus filled, degenerate, hotheads like YOU in each country, but the Libyan Government has profusely apologised and it will (not us) hunt the perpetrators down like the scum they are.
@171 Think
“Of course I voted YES (as 13,177 other readers did, a staggering 55.31%)
Some 7,087 readers (29.75% ) did vote NO though....”
Argentinians are so brainwashed and infantile they no doubt did a lot of the voting (and this will remain so, unless you are ever actually a threat), because normal people have better things to do.
@173 Pirat-Hunter
“British illegal aliens should be deported. As Mexican In USA are, white people should treat others as they wish people treated them, that is a sacred rule people should remember”.
Even someone as mentally retarded as you, should be able to tell the difference between a people being somewhere for 180 years and the one million Mexicans that try to get into the USA every year. No? Well you are officially a moron.
@175 British_Kirchnerist
“I think someone has a repressed crush on Cristina”
Just because you are so obsessed with Kirchner (if she ever looked at this site, she would think you a complete wanker) try not to fantasise so, because in reality the Islanders and myself have nothing but contempt for her.
But something that confuses me is the wording of the question.
Should Britain return the Falkland Islands to Argentina?
Am I right in thinking that Argentina have ever owned the Falklands at any time in history, Britain has always had sovereignty? so how can they be returned? surely the question should be ...
Should Britain give the Falkland Islands to Argentina?
According to one poster on La Nacion the poll means nothing as he was contacted via Twitter and urged to vote yes as he did and so did some of his friends. Another poster could not believe that he could vote on the poll without signing in.
If it had been the Grauniad or Independent the so called poll would have been a bit more believable even though still on the high side.
Having been a Telegraph reader myself and taking part in reader surveys I know that the average Telegraph reader is on the wrong side of 60 and quite likely to have a military background.
Reading the Telegraph article I notice quite a few Carlos,Pablos and Luceros have commented ; all typical British military names.I wonder if there is a geographical analysis of the votes cast.
Typical Argie methods ;they just cant resist fiddling the figures. It is not just INDEC figures they have rigged.
O, rig the stats,
O, make them represent whatever we want
O, don't make them represent reality,
O, we'll be furked come the morning.
@185 They never owned the islands. They tried to steal them a few times, but they were never actually in control of the Falklands as either we or the Americans booted them off. There is even less reason for them claiming South Georgia and the other islands, they just added them to their greed-list.
I just checked again……:
The Telegraph poll : “Should Britain “R E T U R N” the Falkland Islands to Argentina? ” at the end of the following article….:
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/9111201/Hit-Argentina-where-it-hurts-in-the-wallet.html
Current Results:
Yes 56.26% (13,778 votes)
No 29.1% (7,127 votes)
Impressing!!!
On the Telegraph!!!
We could be the greatest player in the world, but the retard will ignore anything you do, argue about the rules, throw abuse at you and then strut around triumphantly.
An adapted cLOHO joke
Q: What's the difference between a Nazi SS officer and an Argentian?
A: The SS officer's girlfriend has reached menarche.
With all the fuss, I'd imagined the Britain had killed off the natives or deported thousands of Spanish/Argentinians!
The FI had no natives.
Britain had an earlier settlement than Spain/Argentina.
Wasn't it was an American war ship that removed the small number of Spanish/Argentinians settlers?
So my question...
What have the Falkland Islanders done wrong? Why do Argentinians hate them and call them offensive names?
@170 Wrong. I called for argie rotting corpses to be sent to argieland. And if argieland wouldn't accept the maggot-ridden slime, for it to be tossed overboard. But that was too kind. All argies should receive a high-velocity bullet through a suitable orifice. At speed. And then the cadavers should be kicked out of suitable aircraft. But not over the River Plate. Over Buenos Aires. By the way, you're dead. Just hang on. I'm going to rip your throat out and piss in your mouth.
@173 You're dead, shit face. All it takes is time. Sometime in the next 20 years.
@175 You are close to death!
@179 Bloody death to all argies. Rip their guts out.
@188 Die, fucker!
“87 Think Feb 19th, 2012
TWIMC
A recent pool in Argentina has shown that 80% of us think that our government is applying the right policies on the”Malvinas Issue”.
14% are not sure….
6% are opposed….
When is Britain going to make a similar poll?”
en.mercopress.com/2012/02/18/argentina-is-not-a-country-you-d-want-to-be-associated-with-says-falklands-mla
Well………… Seems that the Telegraph just did………..:
“Should Britain R E T U R N the Falkland Islands to Argentina? ”
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/9111201/Hit-Argentina-where-it-hurts-in-the-wallet.html
Latest Results:
Yes: 56.5% (13,928 votes)
No: 28.94% (7,134 votes)
Awesome!!!
On the Telegraph!!!
again you talk to much but you know
you are a mariquita
So make all you want of it Argies but we're still here, we always will be and you know it.
Bed time for me because I am still in Europe. Travelling again soon. Looking forward to heading back down south.
Islanders should hold a referendum to decide 14.54% (3,591 votes)
“It gave the impression that the UK had stolen the islands”
No, is saying what really happen.
By the way “Should Britain R E T U R N the Falkland Islands to Argentina? ”
Telegraph UK poll
Yes 56.6% (13,993 votes)
No 28.87% (7,137 votes)
That would have been left out purely by error and nothing else. After all, Think is the one who is monitoring Mercopress and pointing them out for showing bias and not reporting things accurately. He is a totally trustworthy and fair person who can be relied on to only tell it how it is.
Oh, and Sean Penn has studied the Argentina vs. Falklands situation tirelessly for years too. He knows all of the facts inside out.
...and pigs fly.
I expect this Telegraph poll to be the first of many governmental and private British polls to come about the “Malvinas Issue”.
Soon the real opinion of the 60 million Britons will be publicly available.
And it will not be good news for the Malvinas Squatters………….
But first we need a nice couple of dusters from Borders & Southern...
And then, a nice couple of dusters from Falklands Oil and Gas Limited!
It's an anonymous internet poll. I tried voting just to see if I could (I'm in the US), and it worked without issue. So, it's entirely possible that you have repeat voters or voters who are not from the UK at all. I.e. the 55% that voted yes are not representative of the general population of the UK.
As for your question about American opinion, I think it is a non-issue. I have never, in any conversation with any other American discussed the sovereignty of the Falklands. Beyond knowing there was a war between Argentina and the UK where Argentina got trounced, I have little to no knowledge about the area. Especially in light of the fact that most of the inhabitants are of UK descent (thanks wikipedia), it seems the UK has a perfectly legitimate reason for being there. In any case, I prefer the “self-determination” option. Do the Falklanders want to be part of Argentina or the UK?
“So my question...
What have the Falkland Islanders done wrong? Why do Argentinians hate them and call them offensive names”
Steve, I was like you, just curious about what the fuss was about when I found this site and you can’t believe what the Argentinians that post on here are like. They totally obsessional, it’s as if it was the only thing in they have to worry about, they have been so brainwashed from birth it boils over in hatred. They threaten the islanders and twist everything to suit their argument and certainly don’t care at all, if they blatantly lie.
Stick around and you see what these nutters they are.
As usual you expectations are all screwed up.
I must be missing something
“The SS officer's girlfriend has reached menarche”
That's a subtle way of putting it.
Is it a full moon or something? the dickheads seem even more manic than usual
Red,Irak invasion was pushed and orquestrated by Tony blair.He is the one who convinced that mentally weak of bush to come along.They should have listen to the numerous calls,letters,by JPII(The Pope).By enraging those people,that were secular,now nuts orthodox are replacing them.The things are going to get MUCH Worse in the future.uk is not thinking properly.....Just a warning...I am a very intuitive person...It just for your own good....BTW,My chilhood was spent among several british families.......So no hard feeling against them.....
On another note,The Grape queen,in Mendoza was elected(reina de la vendimia),and she look very beautiful!
www.mdzol.com/mdz/nota/364356-wanda-de-las-heras-el-tema-del-aborto-se-tiene-que-debatir-en-todos-los-estratos-sociales/
“Red, Iraq invasion was pushed and orquestrated by Tony blair.He is the one who convinced that mentally weak of bush to come along”
I don’t defend Tony Blair for much, but you have got that the wrong way around, Blair is just a manipulated actor, who was controlling him is difficult so say, some think the CIA.
“The things are going to get MUCH Worse in the future.uk is not thinking properly.....Just a warning...I am a very intuitive person...It just for your own good....”
There it is, the good old Argentinian veiled threat, the UK is thinking correctly over the Falklands and if you are so intuitive what do you think I think of you?
From what i can tell I think the Argentines think that the results of the Telegraph poll will become government policy :-)
They still dont get the message that the UK Government and the FIG wont be giving the RG's anything.
I hear the RG's are planning to demonstrate in Brazil against Prince Harry. I hope they do and that they continue with many more protests around the world. I also hope that they are all captured on TV, just to show how deranged they all are.
Frankly after all the rhetoric it will frustrate and embarrass them further when they get precisely nothing out of it.
Drilling for oil should start soon?
And are you living better,red,as a result of the conflict?Rememeber,in the '80,MAggie,wanted to get rid of MAlvinas...IS it because of the value???I do not think so.You just enraged a pro brit country for nothing.........You have lost,much more than what you think....The brits have some good thinkers......they think otherwise than you people...Did you know that many british descendants,living in Argentina felt betrayed at the brits attitude in 1982?????I know better than you..I live here...
“Please explain how Britain stole the Falklands?”
Guess.
Is it just me or are some Argentinian websites twisting the historic events of FI?
In 1850 they signed the Treaty of Friendship where they informed the British that all existing disagreements, including the Falklands, were over.
Then for 100 years they didn't think about the falklands, until Peron decided he liked hitler's idea of chauvinistic expansionism. Then they tried to invade the islands with everything, including state sponsored international terrorism, until 1982 when they invaded, and we removed them again, with UN approval. They completely ignored UN SCR 502 making them a delinquent to the UN agreements, and the 1850 agreement.
Just like in the Lord of the Rings where they didn't destroy the One Ring, we also let the evil linger... and now they've forgotten they lost the land in a war.
Now they just indocrinate their schoolkids with random nonsense about them owning every island in the South Atlantic, because they just want it and their history books have been retconned to fit this story.
They're basically weak minded imbeciles.
Some in here write to British historians to change the facts when they consider them to be supporting Argentinean point of view and others like you ask to remove poll result when they don't like the outcome.
Telegraph poll(not The Guardian)
“Should Britain return the Falkland Islands to Argentina?”
Yes 57.11% (14,325 votes)
No 28.5% (7,148 votes)
Islanders should hold a referendum to decide 14.39% (3,608 votes)
I didn't know about the 1850 Treaty of Friendship until now. I'm guessing it was not legally binding?
You didn't answer my question
“You just enraged a pro brit country for nothing.........You have lost,much more than what you think.”
For nothing? you don't understand the British do you and we can't lose much as you're a bankrupt country.
“Did you know that many british descendants,living in Argentina felt betrayed at the brits attitude in 1982”
With insane Argentinians around do you think they would say anything else?
@213 Steve-32-uk
Is it just me or are some Argentinian websites twisting the historic events of FI?
You getting the idea?
@216 It's as legally binding as any treaty you sign with the Argentinians. Given that they haven't got a spine between them, they will immediately renege on anything they agree to. Additionally, they spend all their time at the UN banging on about the UK not following non-binding resolutions, when we typically do, and then when the UN has a binding resolution for Argentina, they just completely ignore it.
Basically the best way to deal with any Argentinian is to simply ignore them. That's what anyone who has to interact with them socially or for business will tell you. Cultural trainers usually tell you to limit your interaction with them to 'what is completely necessary' and rarely take them at their word.
“Falkland Islanders have criticised the Government's official history of the 1982 war, claiming that it contains a series of ”serious“ errors which make it too sympathetic to Argentina's claims to the territory”
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/7331547/Official-British-history-of-the-Falklands-War-is-considered-too-pro-Argentina.html
So I have asked them to void the results of the poll.
It was meant to be for British people but was hijacked by Argentinians.
Therefore the results are worthless and not showing us anything.
Is this too difficult for you ¡?
1825 UK recognizes Argentina as a county...( you can go to library and see it by your own eyes), it´s territory, all remaining Virreynato del rio de la plata from SPAIN, including Islas Malvinas ( islas Malvinas were a piece of Spain before 1810, something England agreed too with Spain ( that is why you left port Edmond, remember? ) , also agreed with France)
Then you decided to take the islands by force as you decided before to take Buenos Aires twice. ( I do not know the reason of invading a country 14.000 km away... , I hope you can explain why you did that)...
so , my friend. Islands are STOLEN by England, end of story.
All you can add is just a re written History by your side to make the full people to be confused of the only one History.
Lesson 1 Go to REGIONS and click
LESSON 2 go to Falklands (here you see it is biased) and click
you will find there over 400 articles to read, as we all have done when coming here, read a little because you are asking basic things.
Learn a littler about Vernet, Jewett, etc that we have been there since 1820 (heritated from Spain before) with legal authorities and population and built houses, built a “saladero” a “curtiembre”, even Vernet the governor had a daughter there.........read read a little
As an Ozzie who spend 5 years in Argentina, I can tell you it's pointless arguing with them, they only see one point of view, their own. Their egos are only matched by their nationalism. They have the ugliest flag in the world but they love it and most of them would die for it given the opportunity. They are not normal. Pointless trying to reason with fascists.
Vernet was never the Governor of the Falkland Islands. He was a businessman who sought, and was granted, permission from the British Consul to set up a cattle ranching operation in the Falkland Islands. You will note that he sought permission from the British Consul because he knew the Falkland Islands were British. Please hold on to this piece of information and remember it anytime you are tempted to start complaining about 1833 and British pirates.
Vernet was an ambitious fellow as, amongst other things, he seized three American ships engaged in seal hunting. This, by my reckoning, makes him a pirate. Of course it all ended badly for him, courtesy of the American battleship Lexington.
if you cannot go, here is a link for you about Vernet, I hope you can use google translator to shift into english.
es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Vernet
The best and most fair way for RGland to acquire the Falklands would be to start establishing attractive trading channels, and increasing the cooperation in all aspects of trade, tourism etc. This will benefit everyone, and will bridge the trust issues of the Falklanders.
This building may take many years, possibly another generation, but if the RG's could start this it would be in the best interests of everyone! and in maybe a further generation, the falklanders and RG's would have better relations than the current ones shared between Britain and the Falklanders. This in turn may result in a transition of interests etc
at present the RG's are just making things complicated, acting greedy, and have no concerns for those on the islands.
not very good diplomacy!
As I mentioned before at my post (200), this little “Telegraph” poll is just the precursor of many more to come……
It will be nice to see the result of professional, independent and unbiased polls taken all over Britain….
It will spell the end of the current situation of “the tail wagging the dog”
Let’s see how the British Government reacts when the results begin to roll in.
Interesting times ahead :-)
Hmmm, now this map is interesting! so how far away was the seat of Argentina back in 1833?
So your claim over FI was also the same as over patagonia (which resulted in the “Conquista del desierto”)!
Now tell me! what is the difference between RG expansion in the SAmericas, and that of britains?
What real rights do you have? You invaided and exploited also!
Fricking hypo's
if Malvinas are not a good investment Uk will leave and Malvinas can t produce enough money to afford military deffence and then what is going to happen?
Uk will negociate with Argentina, Uk is running out of money to invest in the island with low oil quality. may be will be a good idea to stop talking bullshit about Argentina, if those people in Malvinas wants to be trated with respect, stop the bullshit, after all the value of Malvinas without good oil is 0, plus if something happen like a tzunami all you people will need ARGENTINIAN help.
when you people talk about Argentinian government, don t be unpolite or you will get back an unpolite response.
and for all the people here talking about independence, UN never will be part of such thing, how the hell do you think a dispute land coul be independent?.
Before 83 you was a Kelper with not rights in Uk, that mean second kind of citizen with limited rights, no british,,, t just a Kelper and you blaimed Argentina?
grow up, face the reality, soon Malvinas will be under Argentina administration,
We will never be under Argentine administration, so stop your bullshit now.
Even if there's no oil, the UK needs a base to exploit OUR territory in Antarctica.
We are uniquely place for that.
And of course our navy can control the sea traffic around Cape Horn.
Happy now!
It does not work and the paper returns the equivalent of a 404 message each time 'Falklands' is entered in the search box.
It seems the site is overwhelmed, I wonder why. For a long time now the Telegraph has been going down market, reporting @celebrity' gossip as news, etc.
This degree of incompetence might just be the last straw for many subscribers.
ALL the other polls taken in the Telegraph show overwhelming support for the Falklanders (there are no Malvinas): this is just a screw-up.
“islas Malvinas were a piece of Spain before 1810, something England agreed too with Spain ( that is why you left port Edmond, remember? ) , also agreed with France”
Is too difficult for an indoctrinated idiot like you understand, Spain illegally evicted the British from the Falklands and had to let them back, either your history is full of holes or as I suspect, you just lie.
@222 malen
LESSON 3 learn how the Argentinians swatted on the islands, murdered their own people and anarchy reined, until the British threw the swatters off the islands
@223 jayD
Your expedience is invaluable to the casual readers, Thank you
@225 hipolyte
Wikipedia is often written by the most determined of idiots
@227 Think
As usual you’re not thinking, only dreaming, go back to bed
@229 pepegalleta
“grow up, face the reality, soon Malvinas will be under Argentina administration”
That’s all you lot can do, just dream. When the Falklands are rich and you are even poorer still you might get a few scraps from them, but there again, maybe not
using bad words, when loosing the education for not having a good speech ?
yea Wikipedia is written by stupids , as well as all what is against your personal convenience.
You are good... for nothing.
Our claim for the islands goes beyond the mediocre thought of some people. On the other hand, if you would think it deeply, may be you'll realise that you shouden't reject so soon the offer of our government. Aerolineas argentinas is a very good airline, it's considered as one the safest airlines in the world, and since our state renationalized it in 2008, we made a huge sacrifice with our taxes, in order to boost that airline, which had been broken twice by spanish private corporations, and since a few monthes ago, we have the most modern fleet of airplanes of all latinoamerica, but the most important is that it's considered like one the safest airlines in the world. Beside, if there is not any serious discution about this proposal, but the spasmodic and pathetic comments of some politicians, then it will be imposible to have a better connection with the islands. And like i always say, you only criticise the hard decitions of our government, and dont recognize that you are not acting correctly neather, it's lamentable really, because that posture doesn't help in order to find a fair solution, may be your problem is that you dont want any fair solution for this dispute. i already explained you and your people about the true posture of our government, and the omitions that your politicians do when they reffer to this conflict, but if you prefer to buy their mediocre and hipocrite view, that's your problem, but it wont avoid that we will keep on having more problems in the future.
Do you really think that anyone is going to be taken in by the childish tactic of hijacking the DT opinion poll? Do you really think that HMG is quite so stupid? Get real!
Are you being serious Axel or were you trying to be ironic?
The fact that you have had to prop it up with your taxes says it all...
You really do fall for the crap that your 'government' tells you!
“we have the most modern fleet of airplanes of all latinoamerica” WRONG!
AVERAGE AGE OF FLAG CARRIER FLEETS
Aeroflot 5.7 years
China Airlines 8.7 years
Indonesia 7 years
Chile 5.8 years
Air France 380 planes, 8 years
IRAN AIR 24.8 years
Venezuela 20 years but is thought to be older!
ARGENTINA 45 planes, 13.6 years
URUGUAY 28 planes, 3 years
Brasil TAM 154 planes, 7.2 years
'Apart from Chavez Airlines' (no flag carrier - it went bankrupt) which is a mongrel of small privately operated lines at 20 years, Argentina is the OLDEST fleet.
AND, little Uruguay has 62% of your fleet size with an average of 3 years (they have just bought NEW planes) Remember the Argie fleet was secondhand when you bought them.
AND, your fleet is so safe they don't even publish the figures, but they are likely to have landing permission for the USA and the UK withdrawn shortly because of concerns about safety.
Even your Russian mates planes are only 5.7 years.
HOWEVER, your IRANIAN chums are at 24.8 years. With all that oil these cnuts can't even afford new planes to burn the JetA in. It must be subsidizing all the terrorists around the world that they spend their money on.
SO IN YOUR WORLD, ARGENTIAN WINS AGAIN!!!
WELL DONE FOR HAVING THE OLDEST PLANES IN LATAM.
Cunning stunts the lot of you. (the Brits will get this).
“using bad words, when loosing the education for not having a good speech”
I think you must MEAN:
Using offensive terms, when losing the argument is a sign of a poor vocabulary.
But I’m not losing the argument: i.e. Spain illegally evicted the British from the Falklands in 1771 and had to let them back, so either your history is full of holes or as I suspect, you just lie.
And if you believe- “You are good... for nothing” you must mean, I can’t help you at all with you’re colonial ambitions, yes you are right, I can’t.
@236 axel arg
“On the other hand, if you would think it deeply, may be you'll realise that you shouden't reject so soon the offer of our government.”
Until Argentina changes its constitution, stops brainwashing their children and accepts they have no rights whatsoever over the Falklands and will NEVER have, all such offers will be considered a poisoned chalice
Clear enough.
If Argentina doesn t drill up the south land is becouse we are not stupid like the people in Malvinas, we have more natural resources that Malvinas and Uk all toghether. You don t care about the feauture of your kids, you think you can f•••up the enviroment just to get oil.
Don t you think you have the Antartida close?
we think, we need to protect the water and the land, not like you that all ready kill 5.000.000 penguins becouse of the fishering
Your problem is that you are very missinformed, this is evident that you buy so easily the so partial information that you heard in the press.
Didn't you know that we bought 20 embraer airplanes to brasil since 2009?, didn't you know that we could recover many of the destinies that we had lost during the private administrations?. I dont deny that aerolineas has problems yet, in fact, many airlines in the world are in crisis. Beside some ignorants in this country only emphasize the deficit of the airline, and omit that the deficit diminished to the half, but the most important is not the deficit, what matters really, is the social function that aerolineas does, it's the only one airline that keeps united the whole country, including those destinies that are not profitable, the private airlines only want to travel to the turistic sectors, and isolate all the rest of the nation. If we argue only about profitability, per haps the malvinas aren't a profitable destiny, because there isn't so much people who wants to travel there, but what matters only, is the social function of the airline.
On the other hand, accept it or not, it's considered as one of the most safest airlines in the world, in the last 40 years, it didn't have any accident, beside since a few monthes ago, aerolineas has the most modern fleet of airplanes of latinamerica.
Regarding the right to self determination, i already said in diferent oportunities what i think about it, only a judgement of the i. c. j can determine if that right is applicable or not for this cause, however, if none of the two parts proposes to give that step, may be it's due to none of the two nations is sure that it can win the case. Finally, if you think that only our side omits information regarding this cause, that shows what a mediocre tought some of you have, like i always say, we must investigate, instead of buying so easily the partial analysis of the politicians from both sides.
you are good for nothing means that your source of information is too poor and limited, I hope your mind is not like that.
Read coat, remember respect and education is mandatory allways on any aspect of your life. I you cannot manage those principals, you should not write again.
sorry if my english is not good, I can also write to you in french, spanish and portuguese. do you manage some of them ??
malvinas on google is
About 170,000,000 results
falklands on google is
About 9,850,000 results, so imagine what is the history you have to study also....
sincerely
Hipolyte.
The UK has no sovereignty issue about the Falklands. The Argentinians have a sovereignty issue, so they should go to the ICJ with their issue and get a ruling. The UK isn't going to go there, because it doesn't have an issue and doesn't care. That leaves the Argentinians with a choice, to ICJ or not to ICJ.
You Argentinian folks are hilarious. What you're writing just isn't fact. The Aerolingus Belgrano Malvinas Airlines aren't new, they're very very old. No one in their right mind is going to fly with them, and they're running a deficit because no one in the their right mind is going to fly with them. Aerolingus Belgrano Malvinas Airlines also have terrible reviews by passengers.
LAN and PLUNA are both very good operators that have a great deal of experience and much much better reviews. Better stick with them, and they don't fly to Buenes Aires where a european guy recently got stabbed near the Falklands War Memorial there.
More people writing articles about the mythical land of Malvinas doesn't turn it into a reality. I'm sure if you search for middle earth there are lots of hits, but still, it's fantasy.
“it's considered as one of the most safest airlines in the world, in the last 40 years” The last incident reported to the FAA was in 1992 - 20 years ago this year - One passenger died of food poisoning. :o)
The figures I arrived at are from the official website and recognised airline watch sites. Regrettably no numbers of aircraft are given on the official website.
I have to revise my number of aircraft owned / leased from 45 to 81. There is no meaningful way of obtaining the age of the fleet given that some aircraft leased are reported as used.
However, Uruguay still has the youngest fleet in LatAm - this small country of 4.5M people versus the 45M of Argentina.#
'Social' reasons for flights are fine as long as your countrymen (and ladies) want to waste USD 2 Million a day doing it. Thats 16.25 USD per man woman and child each year. I would bet that the people living in squalor in the slums that account for 40% of the housing in your country are grattified that they can spend this money so nobly.
REMEMBER, if you can afford to fly this outfit - don't eat the food.
Further the argument that our Islands are sitting on their continental shelf is also rubbish because the Islands are surrounded by water that you cannot wade accross and if it was possible to drain the water from the sea bed Argentina would then also see that this so called continental shelf encirclses most of South America. Does that mean the Argentines asume they also own all the other neighbours they have. Mind you it does appear to be the case as they are seeming able to put political pressure on all of them except on the Islands.
Kristina Kirchner is no differant to all the prevous leaders of that Country. Because they are unable to keep their own house in order they divert the public anger by attacking another Country. So Mrs Kirchner my advise to you now is give up this stupid claim and start believing in your people and their struggle to survive and stop once and for all the school propoganda you thrust down your childrens necks and maybe one day you will allow the real people of your Country to learn the truth about who we really are on the Falkland Islands.
You are in all honesty a very sick excuse as a leader of your Country and a ruthless carer of your own people. Lets show the world the other person I am sure you would like to be.
so you’re having to resort to name calling me REDNECK, I must be getting under your skin
“If Argentina doesn t drill up the south land is becouse we are not stupid like the people in Malvinas, we have more natural resources that Malvinas and Uk all toghether. You don t care about the feauture of your kids, you think you can f•••up the enviroment just to get oil”
You go from one tack to another, you are so funny, yes if Argentina drilled for oil it would probably be splattered all over the place, but Falkland oil is relatively shallow (only 25% of Max) at a depth well within British expertise and they have thousands of rigs operating much deeper without incident.
@244 axel arg
You’re always writing for us to investigate, but your own investigations are only to find what you want to find and not what is to be found. Another thing you do, is to accuse others of what you are most guilty of, e.g. “Your problem is that you are very misinformed”
OK let’s say FOR argument sake you are right and that Aerolineas is considered one of the most safest airlines in the world (it should be with its subsidy), WE DON’T TRUST YOU.
And as we are NOT subjected to indoctrination from birth as you are, nothing of that sort is imprinted in our minds, so we can make our own minds up but we do have an inbuilt response to thugs.
To prove you are brainwashed: you write “if none of the two parts proposes to give that step, maybe it's due to none of the two nations is sure that it can win the case”.
This is the same as if, Britain claimed sovereignty over Argentina because it got evicted in 1807 and although they forgot about it for 100 or so years, a British Peron type came along, who said it was illegal and wrote it into our constitution then kept demanding negotiations over sovereignty ever since, just as stupid.
@245 hipolyte it seems I've hit the word limit, but will post after next reply
WRONG AGAIN. I typed Islas Malvinas (even though they do not exist) into Google Uruguay and then did the same for the beautiful Falkland Islands. Just look at the results.
malvinas on google is
About 170,000,000 results GOOGLE URUGUAY 104,000,000
falklands on google is
About 9,850,000 results GOOGLE URUGUAY 274,000,000
Can't you idiots get something right for once, just once, and surprise us all.
GREEK: Missinformed and ignorant like everyday. Respecting the proposals of arbitration, this evident that you forgat that i told you that betwen 1884 and 1888, argentina suggested to take the question to the arbitration, and the u. k. finally rejected that idea. Beside, in 1947, the u. k. proposed argentina to take the dispute of the dependencies to the court (south georgia and sandwich), but it didn't include the malvinas-falkland islands in the proposal, can you explain me why?. I wont repeat what i think about why both nations dont propose to go to the i. c. j.
Regarding aerolineas, as usuall, you understand just what you want, if i tell you that we have already the 20 embraers that we bought to brasil, which became A A, into the most modern fleet of airplanes since a few monthes, then why do you insist with that argument?, may be you are talking about austral, that's another statal airline, i really dont remember if it's airplains were renewed already, but i will find out. Anyway the fact that some airplanes are old, it doesn't mean that they aren't safe. Regarding the history of the islands, if you still didn't read my investigation, then why do you criticise my search?.
Beside, it's amazing how you mix diferent questions that doesn't have anything to do with what we are talking about, do you think that crimes happen mostly in argentina?. Respecting the deficit, i already told you what i think about it, anyway, a usuall you will always understand just what you want.
REDCOAT: If you didn't read my inevstigation yet, then what do you know about what i found out?. Beside, dont be so ignorant, in 1807 you didn't take possition of our land in the name of the british crown, it was just one more act of piracy like many others. Regarding the subsides of aerolineas, they are necesary to keep it working, it's not useless what we pay, despite the problems that the airline still has.
Red:“Did you know that many british descendants,living in Argentina felt betrayed at the brits attitude in 1982”
With insane Argentinians around do you think they would say anything else
AHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
red: You are finished..
Argentina is booming and uk is Bankrupt!!What an IDIOT!
Jim Rogers VS Gordon Brown, leave UK for Asia and drop the pound
www.youtube.com/watch?v=68w506LH3BE
UK is FINISHED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbLfje8_jgI
Redcoat: I think you are an IDIOT!!!
Love your sketches & pictures.
Did you find señor Think's photo album that he must have lost. lol.
you are right, sorry for the redneck, actually I am not here to isult any body, but a lot people here insuted me too, accept my apologies,
regardind the oil and natural resources uou can t tell me that Uk and Malvinas had more natural R than Argentina, we have more, more oil, more land, more food , more sweet water, etc
there is a study that shows penguin reduction in 5.000.000 becouse of the fishing licences that the islands are given up, next will be an empty ocean, no more fish in south Atlantic, what are you and every body else in the islands are gonna do if the oil is low quality?, plus if the oil is low quality in today economy uk will pass to Argentina the islands, you ll see.
Plus USA is not any more under Reagan rules, Obama want to start a new deal with south America, he is interesting in the natural resources too, that is way US didn t recognise the sovernegty af the islands to Uk.
all south america is the back yard of US, do you really think that US wants to share with Uk natural resources?, be honest? , islanders think that we want to send to Uk all the people, the government will respet all people and the ownership of the land, plus people in the island will grow in business, nobody wants a new war, but can happen if diplomacy doesn t get results, may be not this year but is gonna happen in the future. There is a new world order coming up, Brasil per example is a new player, China, Rusia is now again a powerfull country, uk can t offert any protection against those big boys anymore, USA will never aprobe any agreement between Argentina and China or Rusia, that is way this time is different than the 82, USA will protect at the end of the day the backyard, that is way Chile and Brasil has now F16 and US offert to Argentina same thing. I don t really want a new war do you?
sorry for my english
Dream on. The US support you over us? Even with Obama in the WH, they know the true, and often hidden level of British investment in the US. We share common ideologies and have fought almost every war except Vietnam together. The US won't fight for us, but we don't need it. They will tut and say how regrettable it is in public, whilst secretly helping us with sat technology and refuelling planes. China has more trade interests with the UK than Argentina and frankly won't give a monkeys, but sit back and watch the entertainment. Same with Russia. As for having F16s....? The Eurofighter can take down a F16. Do we want war? :) As an infantryman, I love to soldier.
“you are good for nothing means that your source of information is too poor and limited, I hope your mind is not like that”
Just because it doesn’t fit in with your brainwashing, the fact remains, Spain illegally evicted the British from the Falklands and had to let them back there.
“I can also write to you in french, spanish and portuguese. do you manage some of them”
I hope you are better at those than you are at English, I suggest you stick to just one, so you can converse competently in it
@253 Malvinero1
“Argentina is booming and uk is Bankrupt!!What an IDIOT!”
You poor sole, all you can do is blatantly lie!
@255 pepegalleta
You have a lot of false hopes and as you owe the USA over 40 billion dollars, they won’t be selling you anything.
“we have more, more oil, more land, more food , more sweet water, etc”
You have more drought than us, more useless land than us and if you have so much oil why are you so poor?
OK invite China and Russia in and see what happens, they both hate neo Nazis and they would only be interested in dominating you (e.g. Burma is in trouble with China and all the former soviet states have problems with Russia), so best of luck with that.
“if the oil is low quality in today economy UK will pass to Argentina the islands, you’ ll see”
All oil sells and so far, it’s very promising, the Islands will never be Argentinian because the Islanders hate you and we will always support them as long as they want us to.
So stop dreaming
p.s. apologies accepted
all south America is the back yard of US
1, nice to know, you know who your boss it then.
2. does that mean Spain , southern Europe and north Africa, is in Britain’s back yard, [a very big yard is it not] [we keep the compost at the bottom of our yard,
Does that mean Argentina is the compost in the Americans yard .
3, if you think the USA would defend Argentina against the UK ,
Would you like to prove that point.
4, or if you consider them your best mates,,, then why not offer to send troops ships and planes to fight along side the Americans in Iran, soon,
5, fact is,
CFK is your boss, you want her, you suffer with her,
The only real thing in your back yard is rubbish,.
And the Americans, would rather support the taliban, rather that trust you guys fighting next to them,
Please stay at home, its safer .lol.
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On top of this, there is a new actor too, yhe 4 batallon from US in charge to integrate America del Sur and patrol all AMERICA TAKEN CARE ABOUT NATURAL RESOURCES, ask Colombia snd Peru, Chile, Brasil and the plan is to build mire in TIERRA DEL FUEGO, Patagonia and more points in Argentina, do you know who is in charge of the training of the Special Forces in Argentina,?, let me answer you, US.
Is a matter of time but the sovereingty will be for Argentina, just gice some time to this game, is on the constitution, it is a state claim, it doesn t matter the government.
will see, just wait.
Have a good night
try doing the same for
Islas malvinas &
Falkland Islands
then you will see that your figures get turned on their head....you clearly dont know how search engines work!!!!!!
I see why you're called anti-fascist now, didnt like ...boys... like you did they?
Sarcasm, i trust!
“Nevertheless Mercosur diplomats in private have admitted surprise at the latest announcements by President Cristina Fernandez to the Argentine Congress. In effect only last September the president said before the UN General Assembly that Argentina was seriously considering not allowing the only air contact with the Falklands through Argentine space. However now she is proposing three flights a week from Buenos Aires”
“Argentina is booming and uk is Bankrupt!!What an IDIOT!”
You poor sole, all you can do is blatantly lie!
AHAHHAHAHHAAHH! Red,In Argentina to get an Electrician you to wait 1 month.....
This is the bomb you will get in the uk
www.debtbombshell.com/
“If you didn't read my inevstigation yet, then what do you know about what i found out?. Beside, dont be so ignorant, in 1807 you didn't take possition of our land in the name of the british crown, it was just one more act of piracy like many others. Regarding the subsides of aerolineas, they are necesary to keep it working, it's not useless what we pay, despite the problems that the airline still has.”
I know because I know how brainwashed and bigoted your thinking is and you can’t make a simple comparison, the Argentinians made an illegal landing on the Falklands and got evicted, the British landed in Argentina in 1807 and got evicted, simple, but the brainwashing you received from nursery school doesn’t allow you to see it
Aerolineas needs subsides (that other airlines don’t get) because they are inefficient.
@259 pepegalleta
“I am talking about where all kind of natural resources are, Water, Metals and more”
So the US and CHINA are going rob you blind, and you can’t do anything about it.
“do you know who is in charge of the training of the Special Forces in Argentina,?, let me answer you, US.”
Yes to make sure you remain powerless, it’s the oldest trick in the book.
“Is a matter of time but the sovereingty will be for Argentina, just gice some time to this game, is on the constitution, it is a state claim, it doesn t matter the government. will see, just wait.”
No, we will see you getting old with frustration and never ever getting your implanted wish
@263 Malvinero1
“Red,In Argentina to get an Electrician you to wait 1 month....This is the bomb you will get in the uk”
Yes we have debt, but unlike you we can pay it back and remain in control of our own destiny. To prove it, we have loaned money to others at a good interest rate.
You on the other hand are the poor desperate man at the table and will have to settle for being controlled by others.
I insist, if you still didn't read my investigation, you can't say anything about it, you are just prejudging like the tipical mediocre people who think that they are always right. In my survey, i took into account the british arguments too, and tell the rights of both over the islands in 1833.
Regarding aerolineas, this is evident that we have a diferent opinion about the work of the state, beside, per haps you didn't know that most airlines receive subsides because many of them are in crisis, we still have problems with aerolineas, because it had been broken twice by spanish private corporations, but i already told you all that we could recover since the state renationalized the entreprize, anyway, you can keep on understanding just what you want like all the mediocre people, who have partial information and prejugje, like you do.
And I insist, the case you put forward shows you are NOT impartial, that means you cannot be objective. I wasn’t indoctrinated at nursery school, as you were. Also if you mean by mediocre, that I am balanced, sensible, not SO passionate I can’t see reason, then I suppose I am.
I couldn’t care less about Aerolineas, or how much you subsidise it by, but you are obviously a socialist to think, re-nationalising it, is the answer to an inefficient airline. It never works and it will always be a burden on the country.
Remember, pride comes before a fall.
All US Airlines are alnost in chapter 11. Do you read about the financial status of the world airlines corporations?, do you know how much money US government give up to those corporations just to help and keep the corporations working?
Do you have any information about if British Airlines produce any profits or if the state help with money?
I don t really think you read anything, sorry but you talk becouse is free
What will ultimately happen in the US, is several airlines will go bust and the rest will survive and as far as I know all British airlines are profitable, BMI wasn’t and it was taken over by British Airways recently
“I don t really think you read anything, sorry but you talk becouse is free”
The fact you have written that, shows you don’t think and only take in what you want to take in and no more.
259 pepegalleta
You confused [no]
USA and CHINA buy your land, not ours, they run your land not ours,
Share resources, [again no]
Argentina has much resources, does she not, , just ripe for picking, , while you concentrate on the Falklands, the USA and china, buy up Argentina ??
Aeroplanes, first of the fact is, you do not have any planes and ships or submarines, and by the time you ever do,, the brits will be decades ahead, so you will be back to square one, would you not,
You cannot threaten with what you don’t have, us less Argentina is talking about a computer game,
As for special forces,
The UsA will not give you any advantages that may or may not backfire on them,
As for waiting, you can wait all you want, but the fact is, in your lifetime they will remain British, after your dead, it does not really matter does it .?/
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Will see what happen, now Argentina has a lot of options, China will be more than happy to help Argentina, plus we will make all UK corporations suffer in south America, actually there is new protectionist rules in south america, that neans soon UK will beg Mercosur to let the corporations work in south america, we don t need to start a war, we just need to make the UK corporations suffer, Brasil will be the next one to kick out all uk corporations, plus the oil in the islands will be the more expensive oil on the world if Argentina doesn t let Uk vessels dock in ower ports.
Be happy if you can
But you wouldn't carry out these threats, pepe.
You all keep telling us that you're “peaceful” people! lol
and the blockers block,
and the fools will follow.
“Redcoat, you live in your small world, that is way you don t know a sh,,,t about real world”
Well I don't know much about shanty town squalor if that is what you mean by ’the real world’ I’ll leave that to you.
@273 pepegalleta
“Will see what happen, now Argentina has a lot of options, China will be more than happy to help Argentina, plus we will make all UK corporations suffer in south America, actually there is new protectionist rules in south america, that neans soon UK will beg Mercosur to let the corporations work in south america, we don t need to start a war, we just need to make the UK corporations suffer, Brasil will be the next one to kick out all uk corporations,”
Argentina has very few options, none good, it could sell the country to the Chinese, you could stop buying British goods and buy inferior products instead, or you could prostitute yourselves to Brazil in order to get their flatulent support. So all in all, not many options is it?
“plus the oil in the islands will be the more expensive oil on the world if Argentina doesn' t let Uk vessels dock in ower ports”
Don’t you think we have that one covered? The wellheads will terminate at a single rig that will load directly onto ships, cutting out the middle man, which could have been you, but you haven’t got the brains.
thats it,
How many of you supported him?
Do you regret it now?
Think of the industries & jobs that you could have had.
Toughski.
Of course i am not objetive, i have never been objetive, and i wont never be that. I dont believe in objetivity, everybody takes a side in all the issues and they have right to deffend their ideas, but it doesn't mean that we have to tell just the have of the question. I always take a side in all the issues, but i tell everything, not just the half, like the mediocre and hipocrite giornalists or politicians, objetivity doesn't exist, noone is objetive, are you being objetive?, of couse not, objetivity is used by the hipocrites who dont want to express their true posture, but the truth is that nobody is objetive.
Beside, if i'm telling you that i tell about the rights of both nations over the islands in 1833, in my work, it means that i am not brainwashed, if i were brainwashed, i would have never made any exhaustive investigation, and i would buy just the propaganda of my country, like many of you do.
Regarding aerolineas, i conffirm that we have diferent opinions about the function of the state, i respect you thought but i dont agree on it in absolut, there is some thing that we must understand once and for all, no matter of leftist or conservative we are, private corporations wont never do enough inverstments in the enterprizes that they could get after the privatizations, because making enough invertsments is not profitable for their economic interests, and i understand them, that's why it's absolutly necesary the intervention of the state, some enterprizes shouldn't have never been sold to private companies, most them finished in the broke, which was expectable, and finally the state recovered them, and now they work much better.
I agree that some do get too wound up and the more unsupportive, unrealistic dreaming you write about the worse they seem to get.
p.s I actually like most Scots
@282 axel arg
Well we agree on something, to think about something and take sides because fudging doesn't work.
I have worked for both private and public companies and both have in-built problems: public is always full of corruption, vulnerable the greedy unions and inefficient. Whereas private is just bottom line orientated, therefore has a tendency to screw people down.
I have also looked into the history of the Falklands, so I have my conclusions, but if Argentina hadn't been so stupid, there could have been some form of accommodation, but NO your greedy uncooperative instincts has now made that completely impossible
Public and private companies, both can be corrupt, inefficient, or good, but the diference betwen both is that private companies wont never do enough inverstments in the enterprizes that they got during the privatizations times, that's why many of the enterprizes that were sold, finished in the broke finally. Regarding the conflict, i dont deny that may be our government commited a mistake when it recalled the agreements that it had signed during the 90's with the u. k., but at the same time, some day you will have to recognize that you are not acting correctly neather, excluding the decade of the 90's when the umbrella policy was stablished, after that decade, you have always rejected sistematicly all the resolutions that call the two parts fo the conflict to resume the negotiations, so, it's obvious that as long as your side insist with the same posture, we will keep on having problems in the future. Beside, many lies are published in the media respecting the posture of argentina, i explained it in planty of oportunities here, but this is evident that noone wants to understand it, some times i think that living comments here is a waste of time.
”
A rural teacher explains that she is Kirchnerista, and then asked to lift hand is also a follower of Kirchnerism.
Everyone in class, raise their hands saying Kirchner, except a girl who was sitting at the back of the room.
The teacher looked surprised and asked:
-Suzie, why do not you raised your hand?
-Because I'm not Kirchnerista, Miss.
The teacher, puzzled, asked:
-Wow, and if you're not Kirchnerista, then whom do you sympathize?
-With the Peronists of Peron (the girl said proudly.)
The teacher, whose ears could not believe something like this, said:
- Suzie, my daughter? Do not you see that these were left in 45? What sin have you committed for being Peronist of Peron?!
The girl, very quiet, said:
- My mother is Peronist of Peron, my father is Peronist of Peron, and my brother is also a Peronist of Peron ..
- So I am also Peronist of Peron! (added the small one, proud and satisfied.)
- Well, ' replied the teacher, irritated, but that is no reason to be Peronist of Peron. You you do not have to be what are your parents ... for example, if your mother was a prostitute and drug addict, thief and corrupt your father and your brother vague, alcoholic and drug dealer, then you you'd be?
- Surely Kirchnerista, Miss.
”
It translates into English very well.
“Public and private companies, both can be corrupt, inefficient, or good”
In Britain and in a competitive environment, a private company is less likely to be corrupt or inefficient – it wouldn’t survive – Fact
“you have always rejected sistematicly all the resolutions that call the two parts fo the conflict to resume the negotiations, so, it's obvious that as long as your side insist with the same posture”
Of course we reject the need for negotiations and any independent calls for talks is just to shut you up, because you are so fanatical and cannot be reasoned with.
I understood your pasition and the UK, but nobody understand Argentina position about this issue, that is why Argentina asked the UN to be in the midle of this negociation, UK rejected any negociation, is like Israel and Palestina issue, UN asked both states to sit down and discuss about the issue.
why UN exist?
We understand Argentina's position on this issue, you are brainwashed as a child and no one in there right mind will negotiate with a would be thief.
The UN always tries to play middleman even if one side is after the other side's land that they have had for well over 100 years
It's not the UK that needs to worry about the UN resolutions being ignored, because it's the Argentinians doing the ignoring.
@288 We were involved in negotiations, but Thin Nestor Sr. walked out. We were even discussing sovereignty but then you decided to invade the islands against international law and then you refused to leave the islands disobeying the UN SCR 502 which was binding.
Can you explain why you think the UK should follow non-binding resolutions when Argentina ignores binding UN resolutiongs? What gives Argentina the right?
Thanks in advance for your response.
The military junta were Argentinians. What you're doing is trying to absolve your country of any guilt from causing a war by compartmentalising it into a group of people over which, with hindsight, you claim didn't represent you. It didn't work for the Germans, it didn't work for the Italians, it didn't work for the Japanese and it doesn't work for the Argentinians. The blame for the Falklands war lies squarely on the lap of the Argentinian people and the fact you never apologised for it is quite frankly, disgusting.
The fact you're jewish should tell you exactly what the British people think of Authoritarian Nationalist Socialist (Nazi) governments, like the one Kichnerism espouses.
“Atgentina{sic} never liked any war”, what utter utter lies flow out of your mouth. You people are brain-furked imbeciles and that's a FACT.
What about the cheering crowds on the Plaza de Mayo when Galtieri announced the successful invasion in April 1982.
You, Argentines supported the invasion close to 100%
“oh no, lt wasn't us, it was the junta” *a who me? wide eyed look of innocence*
Lying scumbags.
And you'd do it all again, if you could.
Urm.. could you Argentinians please contradict yourselves more please?
I was 12 years old at the time of the war, do ylu think a 12 years old understand a war?, are tou stupid or what?
The junta were just doing what was popular. So they're not really to blame for the war at all. Argentina and Argentinians are, but have they apologised?
Hatred. I have to admit I hate Ms Kirchner and her policies because all she is doing is causing problems for everyone. We could all do without them. I personally find her attitude rude, aggressive and unstatesmen/woman like. The policies towards us seem mercurial and capricious, they give the impression of not being thought through. I can point to the LAN flights being threatened and the Tourist ships debacle.
I bet you hate Thatcher (a lot of people do, espescially on the left of politics).
If she went away and did something else I would'nt care less about her.
This woman is leading her country not only into a pointless confrontaion with us but is also cooking the Argentine economies books.
Something will give sooner or later and it won't be pretty for the average Argentine when it does. She won't care, she's Ok, she's rich. The populsit policies she promotes will only last as long as the money (or illusion of it) does.
It seems to me from the immaturity of your posts that are still 12 years old.
Please grow up or go onto a blogsite for children, you will be more at home there. :o)
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