Friday, March 2nd 2012 - 22:05 UTC

Falkland Islands: Why we can't accept Cristina's 'kind' gesture

By John Fowler (*) - I handed the family's passports to a rather stern-looking official behind a desk, while my wife and mother-in-law passed through into the departure lounge with our daughter, who was just a few months short of her first birthday. Along with the passports, I also handed over three white identity cards. These were issued by the country through which we were in transit on our way to holidays in Britain from our home in the Falkland Islands.

First Argentine LADE Fokker F27 flight, 15 November 1972; Falklands Governor Sir Ernest Gordon Lewis CMG, OBE meets Argentine Air Force officers

After scrutinising all this documentation the official asked, “Where are the baby's papers?” I replied that, as he could see, my daughter was entered on my passport, and that I had been advised that was all that was required. “You are attempting to take a baby born in this country abroad without authorisation” he said, then, sweeping up all our documents, he disappeared into another office with a curt, “You must wait here.”

While my wife and mother-in-law continued chatting obliviously through the window of the lounge, I was desperately wondering what I could do, if the government represented by this official decided to confiscate my baby. Knowing what they had already proved capable of doing to their own citizens, this seemed a distinct and terrifying possibility.

Fortunately, after what seemed like an eternity, but was probably no more than half and hour – the longest in my life – the official returned and we were allowed to continue our journey, with our baby.

As readers who know anything about the recent history of the South Atlantic may by now have guessed, this incident took place in Ezeiza, the international airport of Buenos Aires. The year was 1980, when the only access to the Falklands Islands was through Argentina, which insisted that travellers with passports other than their own had to have a 'white card' indicating that permission to travel had been granted by the Argentine government.

I hope this story goes some way to explaining what to some people may seem the inexplicable lack of enthusiasm from Falkland Islanders in response to the Argentine President's stated desire to replace the once-a-week flight from Santiago with three flights a week directly from Buenos Aires. No matter how cheap such flights might be, or how convenient for those people wanting to travel to Europe – at the moment we travel all day to find ourselves still on the wrong side of the Andes – we have no desire once again to find our external communications in the exclusive hands of what we have to regard as a hostile government.

If this point has been missed by President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, her order to her Foreign Minister to arrange such a change to our established communications with the British Government, and not with the government of the Falkland Islands, is a clear indication that in her view the latter – and, by extension, our community - has no legitimacy. In attempting to impose any kind of arrangement upon us without consultation she has once again failed to recognise our desire and right to determine our own affairs and a complete lack of understanding of the relationship which exists between us and the United Kingdom.

On the face of it, of course, to a world which has no real need to concern itself with the rights of three thousand people on a remote group of islands in the South Atlantic, our refusal to accept an offer of direct flights to Argentina may seem churlish, as may also the British Government’s refusal to talk to the Argentines about sovereignty unless we ask them to.

Making herself look kind and understanding of our needs can be the only reason for this about-face by the Argentine President, but before we can bring ourselves to believe in the sincerity of her stated desire “to give peace a chance” she will have to cancel her government’s restrictions against shipping, which are contrary to the international laws of the sea, and lift the ban on charter flights which did so much damage to our tourism industry and so much good to Ushuaia. (She will also, of course, have to remove the clause from the Argentine Constitution which allows no other outcome for sovereignty talks, but that the Falkland Islands become Las Islas Malvinas and an Argentine possession.)

In fact, if the Argentine President is really concerned to increase our connectivity to the outside world, why does she not declare an open skies policy and let Aerolineas Argentinas compete openly and honestly with other airlines to provide our commercial air link to the outside world? I am fairly sure, however, that Argentina’s struggling flag carrier would not be the airline of choice for people here and Buenos Aires would not be the favourite destination.

The President’s proposal is apparently that the 1999 memorandum of understanding between the British and Argentine governments should be revisited. There may be some willingness in the Falklands to see that happen, but only if the discussions can be frank and honest and cover other aspects of that document than just the LAN flight.

I think we would like to see the “sovereignty umbrella” hoisted again so that issues of shared concern like fish stocks and hydrocarbon exploration can be discussed to our mutual benefit without prejudice and we would also really like the Argentine government, as they once promised, to stop using the name Puerto Argentino to identify our capital, Stanley. Unlike Malvinas which is a name with historical authenticity, used in a more or less neutral sense throughout the Spanish-speaking world, Puerto Argentino remains as an unpleasant reminder of an even more unpleasant time and its continued use thirty years later is an insult.

(*) John Fowler is the Deputy Editor at Penguin News

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1 The Cestrian (#) Mar 02nd, 2012 - 10:19 pm Report abuse
Good for you. The people that I speak to here in the UK are with you 100%. Dont weaken and if the UK government ever does make it known and it will soon be strengthened again.

Under no circumstances can the Argentines be allowed to dictate anything here and the first set of talks on normalising things again has to be with the Argentine govt talking to the FIG. There is no need for the UK govt to get involved until it becomes absolutely necessary.

That will require the RG's to change their constitution, renounce all rights to the Falklands and recognise the legitimate rights and existence of the FIG and the Islanders.

Nothing else will do.

God Save The Queen!
2 Faulconbridge (#) Mar 02nd, 2012 - 10:24 pm Report abuse
Perhaps it is a cunning ploy by Cristina. Given the safety record of Argentine transport, it wouldn't be long before the Falklands were depopulated.
3 The Cestrian (#) Mar 02nd, 2012 - 10:27 pm Report abuse
@2 The Falkland Islanders have been through enough. Its time to call a halt to this bullying once and for all. It has been suggested on another British forum that:

”The smart solution is to grant them (the FI) independence and then immediately form a defence alliance with them, station British troops there and co-opt them into NATO, the EU and the Commonwealth”.

Would this be a good solution? Could this be done?
4 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 02nd, 2012 - 10:28 pm Report abuse
Hmm, the goebbelian slogan 'give peace a chance', but what is peace?

peace /pis/
noun, interjection, verb, peaced, peac·ing.
noun
1. the normal, nonwarring condition of a nation, group of nations, or the world.
2. ( often initial capital letter ) an agreement or treaty between warring or antagonistic nations, groups, etc., to end hostilities and abstain from further fighting or antagonism: the Peace of Ryswick.
3. a state of mutual harmony between people or groups, especially in personal relations: Try to live in peace with your neighbors.
4. the normal freedom from civil commotion and violence of a community; public order and security: He was arrested for being drunk and disturbing the peace.
5. cessation of or freedom from any strife or dissension

Now, judging from the definition of 'peace', it's quite clear that KFC has no interest in it by most of it's definitions. I think she means give 'not-war' a chance, because she's certainly causing strife, antagonism, and her behaviour is certainly not harmonious, it's positively hostile.

The article makes an interesting read, but you are frankly stuck between a rock and a hard place. Without the Argentinians as friends, you only really have one choice which is to develop the islands into something protected by it's trading partners. This can be achieved through controlled immigration, investment, or building relationships with new friends. The whole eco-tourism aspect looks very good, as is the access to the antarctic. This is basically about long term investment of oil revenues, and focusing on selling high quality unpolluted lamb. Do the Falklands have cows?

The article says it takes best part of a day to get to Santiago, which is 1414 miles from Mount Pleasant as the crow flies. You're probably travelling 2,300 in total. Which is comparable to the 3,500 flight to South Africa.
5 Marcos Alejandro (#) Mar 02nd, 2012 - 10:59 pm Report abuse
Mr John Fowler, He was not trying to confiscate your baby and you know it, they were trying to make sure that you were the father since you didn't have the proper documentation most likely.
What a non sense comparison, is like saying British citizens should stop visiting or doing business with Germany because of the Blitz.
6 The Cestrian (#) Mar 02nd, 2012 - 11:07 pm Report abuse
@5

“is like saying British citizens should stop visiting or doing business with Germany because of the Blitz”.....or accusing the UK of colonialism.
7 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 02nd, 2012 - 11:12 pm Report abuse
@5 It's like South Koreans should stop going to North Korea because they keep accusing them of being pawns of the USA... oh wait, they have and they made it illegal to go there. So you Argentinians should count yourselves lucky, and get back to giving your peaceful-hostility and peaceful-antagonism a chance.

Has anyone considered getting the cruise ships to bring bananas and eggs from Brazil? Might make everyone some extra cash.
8 reality check (#) Mar 02nd, 2012 - 11:31 pm Report abuse
@5
In 1980 babies and children were not required to have their own passports, It was standard practice for parents to have their children included on their passports. Standard in most countries of the world, but not the Argentine it seems. As for your comparison to the blitz. Refusing entry to British flagged ships, attemting to to change air routes and banning commerce because of the 1982 conflict, need I go on. God you give a new meaning to the word “HYPOCRACY.” but I suspect you and your like would not recognise it if it jumped up and bit you in the ass. You know where yor ass is dont you? you should do, after all your talking out of it.
9 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 02nd, 2012 - 11:33 pm Report abuse
@8 You have to remember that in 1980's Argentina infanticide was widespread and children were going missing in the middle of the night. They probably used the passport just to prove they actually had a child, and weren't just making it up.
10 Steve-32-uk (#) Mar 02nd, 2012 - 11:34 pm Report abuse
@3 Agree, but would like to hear the views of islanders on the independence issue?
There will always be ppl in the world accusing Britain of colonialism, so long as the Falklands Islands is on the UN De-Colonization list, and seemingly ruled by Britain.

Would this not end the sovereignty argument permanently?
11 The Cestrian (#) Mar 02nd, 2012 - 11:40 pm Report abuse
@10

I guess it would really. It would be good to get some interpretation on this. I'm told that the suggestion came from the Americans.

Its high time this situation was solved once and for all and if the FI became say a de facto member of NATO then the discussion is over with Argentina. Chile and Uruguay would trip over themselves to form friendly relations with the Islanders.

It would certainly be a good way to silence Argentina once and for all. Take on the FI and they take on NATO - KABOOM!
12 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 02nd, 2012 - 11:42 pm Report abuse
@10 There's no point rushing into that one until they're ready. There are some benefits of remaining in the UK when small (debt rating, borrowing, relationship with EU, etc). Better that they use the stability that being a part of the UK brings now and focus on developing their islands a little more. Once the infrastructure, trade and economics are right, then you drop that bombshell at the UN, and watch Argentina burst into flames.
13 The Cestrian (#) Mar 02nd, 2012 - 11:45 pm Report abuse
@12

It could be that if the UK on the fly told the Argentines about what might happen if they didn't back off then that could be enough to silence them a bit. I very much doubt that the RG's would be appreciative of the Islands they hate being formally recognised by NATO, the US, UN, EU, Commonwealth etc. as a member and sovereign state.

It might seem like a daft question but are the FI big enough to be an independent nation?
14 Rufus (#) Mar 02nd, 2012 - 11:47 pm Report abuse
@5

Of course not, the abduction of children (usually accompanied by the “dissapearance” of the parents) in 1980s Argentina would be completely without presedent wouldn't it?
15 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 02nd, 2012 - 11:51 pm Report abuse
@13 You can be a country of one if you so choose. It would be the most ultimate and purest form of democracy.
16 Kiwisarg (#) Mar 02nd, 2012 - 11:54 pm Report abuse
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/94269/morrissey-the-malvinas-belong-to-argentina
17 The Cestrian (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 12:01 am Report abuse
'15

Could the FI join NATO ie does NATO have jurisdiction in the South Atlantic?
18 Anti-Fascist (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 12:14 am Report abuse
17 The Cestrian

FI are part of NATO via the UK, an attack against the UK, is an attack against NATO. As 9-11 demonstrated NATO is duty bound to respond.
19 Lord Ton (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 12:29 am Report abuse
Another publicity stunt :-)

falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/03/03/cristina-fernandez-in-c24-publicity-stunt/
20 dreyfoss (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 12:30 am Report abuse
Another british rock star says Falklands belong to argentina:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2109413/Now-Morrissey-wades-row-Falklands-says-belong-Argentina.html

But the daily mail supports the Islanders:
www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2109343/Falkland-Islands-Why-British-taxpayers-money-spent-Argentina.html
21 honoria (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 12:32 am Report abuse
@ 5 Marcos Alexandro
1. Given Argentina's track record at the time, John Fowler had every reason to be fearful. Just two years later Argentine occupying forces attempted to remove Falkland Islands children from their parents.
2. The reason that nobody needs to hold the Blitz against the Germans isthat they accepted that they lost WW2. Everyone moved on, healed, restored communications and commerce, made friends ... unlike Argentina, which not only refuses to accept it lost the war, but has been wallowing in a trough of self pity and lashing out at the Falklands for 30 years now.
@ 10 Steve-32-UK
It would be unrealistic for the Falklands to consider independence unless we can provide for our own security. And even then, maybe there would be no reason to alter the status quo.
22 The Cestrian (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 12:34 am Report abuse
“Intriguingly, as I was wandering around Buenos Aires the other day I came across the memorial to the Argentineans who lost their lives in what they call the Malvinas War. In English a tour guide was giving his version of the events 30 years ago.

”The generals were in charge here,“ he said, ”and they told us that we were a strong and well-armed nation. They lied to us. We weren't. The British had a lot more practice than us at fighting wars—and we lost.“

The Falklands, he said, belonged to Argentina ”geographically,“ an argument I suppose which could be used to claim that Cuba ”belonged“ to the United States.

So what about the Falklanders themselves, said one of his listeners, wasn't it up to them to decide who they wanted to belong to? That didn't appeal to the guide. ”Ah well,“ he replied, ”if you had a choice between voting to be rich and voting to be poor, which way would you vote?”

edition.cnn.com/2012/03/01/world/americas/falklands-ship-dispute/
23 Anti-Fascist (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 12:49 am Report abuse
Morrissey is a manic depressive, which he shares with the world through his depressing and drab music.

The media believe he is gay, but while no ones seen him with a girl, he refuses to admit it. He's either gay or asexual. Either way who cares.

He isn't normal and certainly doesn't live in the real world! He exists on planet Rock, which is somewhere pigs can be seen flying.

He also refuses to live in the UK because he says there are too many blacks here. Which I tend to find quite racist - it's about 8% in the UK but where he lives now - LA - it's about 69% figure it out.

He doesn't like the Chinese either, he calls them a “Subspecies”. I can see now why Argentines like him, he shares some of their tendencies - fascism, with a touch of Nazism, a bit of gay, depression over a lost cause, and a fixation with the unimportant, over the essentials.

So who last checked on Morrissey's opinion about anything? Other than the Daily Mail, which since the Leveson Inquiry into press standards, has been increasingly hard pressed to find sleaze and gossip to peddle to its readership, no one cares what Morrissey thinks!

Anyone who needs Morrissey to tell them what to think needs to take a trip to their lock shrink.
24 Lord Ton (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 12:53 am Report abuse
www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2109404/Dont-Argentina-The-witless-wisdom-Falkland-luvvies.html

Who the hell is Morrisey ??
25 brit abroad (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 01:06 am Report abuse
Your CommentMorning All! Nice to see youve all been winding each other up in the traditional manner! I thought id try and lighten the mood:

I had an argument with a girl I know last night. She was saying how that it's unfair that if a guy f@#ks a different girl every week, he's a legend, but if a girl f@#ks just two guys in a year, she's a slut.

So in response I told her that if a key opens lots of locks, then it's a master key. But if a lock is opened by lots of keys, then it's a shitty lock.

That shut her up.
26 Rufus (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 01:22 am Report abuse
@24 Lord Ton

Another fading 80s celebrity on the Yet Another Comeback Tour.

Mostly famous for being rabidly anti-Tory and advocating animal rights lunacy (to the extent that he compared the massacre in Norway to McDonalds and KFC just after it happened).
27 Teaboy2 (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 01:49 am Report abuse
Jesu christ, are the argentines here to stupid to see publicity marketing when they see it. All thise rocks stars are doing is preying on the argentines emotionals and feelins in order to increase ticket sales and increase their pay packets as a result. Same with Sean Pean, no doubt more will buy his movies and go watch his movies in cinema, making him more favourable actor and allowing him to demand higher fees for acting in movies. To these stars they do not care who the islands should or shouldn't belong too, all they care about it milking the money out of peoples pockets. If you argentines are so dumb to realise that, then you have no chance of saving your country from economic catastrophe that quickly approching and will hit you harder than a 40 tonne truck.

Clutching to all these articles of celebrities saying who are currently in or touring argentina or south america is like clutching at staws and smacks of desperation. By the time they are back in their own countries they'll say yeah man, its all about money and the dumb fuckers fell for it lol.
28 Simcut (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 02:16 am Report abuse
I've been a massive fan of Morrissey for a very long time but over the years I've had to learn to pretty much ignore anything the man says on any subject. I think most other Morrissey fans feel the same way. If his fans had to agree with his views on the world then he would have very few fans indeed.

Although I would like to think i am almost impervious to his nonsense by now and wouldn't allow it to affect my enjoyment of his music I have to say it doesn't quite work like that and I do feel a little disappointed each time I read anything he's said.

This is a man that I genuinely believe must have a form of autism. Everything I've read about him over the years suggests he finds it hard to connect with people on a personal level in any meaningful way.

I mostly just feel sorry for him now.
29 JuanStanic (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 02:56 am Report abuse
John Fowler can't see it right. One thing, which I am in favor, is to be more friendly, like one more flight, cooperating with fishing and oil, student exchanges, regulary holding discussions for the whole interest of the region, using the name Stanley(after all we didn't found it)-
And other very different is to hand over our soverignity in our indisputed lands. Open skies policy will only happen after the whole issue is solved. Favouring Ushuaia over Stanley is a duty. Changing our Constitution won't happen in this way.

He has a point, but he should remain in the real possibilities.
30 AndyMac (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 03:22 am Report abuse
John Fowler is being far too nice.

Lets just say it as it is. Argentina is a fascist state and there is only one level of discussion they understand, the kind that involves force.

Are you want to discuss anything with someone holding a gun to your head? No. You either bow down and take it up the ass. Or you give them a taste of their own medicine ten fold.

Unfortunately the Argies are too stupid to realise they are pissing all the countries around them off and are a laughing stock in the UK.
31 JuanStanic (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 03:29 am Report abuse
@30
So fascit I can go whenever I want on internet, I can say whenever I want and I can buy whatever newspaper I want. Also, as a matter of fact, I can vote.

Then tell me, would it be worth to resign on our claim? We have nothing to win from that. At least from trying to get the Islands we have something to win. Even as unlikely as we could all see, it's better than just going for nothing.
32 XAVIERV (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 03:34 am Report abuse
Boys accept the proposal of 3 flights from Argentina, I know what I say .. If by April 2 will not accept, they simply ran out of flights from the mainland and the closest he will be Africa. If you wish, so it will be .. je
33 taky (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 03:45 am Report abuse
@3@11 You sugest independence for FI, and I agree completly. Is a good idea and Argentina wont have any more motives and eventually will drop the claims for the islands. As argentine I agree completly.
But from the moment you declare independence from uk the islanders will stop celebrating the freedom date when uk won the war against argentina. Because argentina was at war against uk and not against FI.
Would you stop celebrating that day? we didn't make war against islanders was against uk.
Is the same each time the argentines remain you when you invade Buenos Aires 1806 and 1807 and try to dominate the people of Buenos Aires and Montevideo against their will of not been part of the British Empire, killing thousands of criollos that were for 6, 7, 0r 8 generation on this lands. You always criticize us when we celebrate our victory and freedom we gain with very little help from Spanish authorities. You said that those invasions were against Spain and not argentina.
And that we don't have rights to conmemorate those victories because argentina didn't exist then, because we gain our first part of independence in 1810.
Well in 1982 Falkland Islands were a colony of uk, like we were a colony of Spain in 1806/07. But the difference between the two are that in the case of 1982 uk was the one that got you free from the “evil” invaders argentines and in 1806/07 was the 6, 7, 8 generation of criollos that kick you out from our land.
So if, in your view, we don't have any rights to commemorate those years as our freedom from the evil British, we can say that from the moment you declare independence from uk, applying the same logic, you wont have any right to commemorate your freedom day.......
And may be from then on we can be good neighbors. Leaving behind scars of the past that made so much untrust between us....
34 XAVIERV (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 04:12 am Report abuse
www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4168501/Morrissey-wades-into-Falklands-row.html

Y bue.. Si un ingles lo dice.. jajaja!!
35 Think (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 06:54 am Report abuse
TWIMC

What a beautiful picture of the Good Ol’ times!
Let’s hope we soon will see many fresh counterparts………..
36 johnfarrel2050 (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 06:55 am Report abuse
Mr John Fowler, you need to know that uk has stolen the Malvinas Islands which belong to Argentina. All this nonsense published by you in this article, is part of the british lies who nobody in the world believes. All South America and a lot of other countries in the world support the Argentine position because there are a lot of people in the world who know that uk is the most colonialist, imperialist, and the most pirate country of the world. Uk doesn´t has any valid reason to continue this pathetic usurpation of terrritories, this country only have the military power and a ridiculous prince doing stupid things there to defend its wrong arguments. I´m not from Argentina but as a lot of people in the world, I´m not let me deceived by british people. uk must return ALL territories stolen now without spending more time, including Malvinas Islands to Argentina, Gibraltar to Spain, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands to Argentina and all the Overseas Territories stolen by uk along the history. uk is the country with the biggest record of territories stolen around the world and everybody knows it. The truth can´t be hidden, don´t lie anymore, nobody believe in the british lies.
37 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 07:40 am Report abuse
“Mr John Fowler, you need to know that uk has stolen the Malvinas Islands which belong to Argentina.”

No, he doesn't need to know that, because it's only fact in Argentina. We didn't steal anything, but I can give you a long list of places that Argentina has stolen off the natives, simply because Argentina thinks it is some white master race.

Why don't you get back to reflecting on why you ignored binding UNSCR 502, and inconsistently ask the UN for non-binding resolutions to be upheld?

Argentinian faggotry is afoot today.
38 sj_ken (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 07:45 am Report abuse
He should have offered to leave his mother-in-law with the official as security.
39 Lord Ton (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 08:25 am Report abuse
#35 - Err, rather looks like the offer has been turned down. As it was in 2003.

#36 - Err, no, not stolen from Argentina, although Argentina has attempted to steal the Islands - in 1832 and 1982. (And you do repeat yourself - without effect!)
40 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 08:26 am Report abuse
31. On the contrary, if you were to play the really long game and accept that you might not get what you want, ditching 'that' part of your constitution could stand you in very good stead.

If Argentina was to say tomorrow that are going to normalise relations with the Falkland Islands, resume open trade, recognise the islanders right to self determination, amend their constitution and generally stop making threatening noises and gestures it would be the first positive step on a very long road.

What Argentina needs to do then is apologise for the invasion in 1982 and keep up the good faith and maintain it. Cherish it, nurture it, work on it. In short build bridges. Not just for a decade or two, you'd need to be patient about it. It might not happen in your lifetime and indeed there remains the chance it might not happen at all. It could take generations and all the while Argentina builds up its international diplomacy skills, irons out long term issues at home, learns to trust its armed forces.

And as this is happening Argentina would be benefitting from oil, fisheries, trade of all kinds with the Falklands and as time goes by memory fades and the Falklanders learn to trust you again.

Long term might mean centuries, and you might still not get what you want but do it in good faith and who knows? You'd get a whole lot more out of this kind of relationship than you are ever going to get with the 'all or nothing policy' that your country is currently following.
41 Think (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 08:43 am Report abuse
(40) Furry-Fat-Feck

What a generous and balanced proposition……

I suppose that, in the meantime (centuries you mention), South-America must just sit there and watch how Great Britain milks and empties the natural resources of the 12.000.000 square miles of Self-proclaimed Exclusive Economical Zone on the South Atlantic.

“Think” again, mate…
42 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 08:43 am Report abuse
@31 You ask a very good question, so let's look to see if Argentina is a fascist regime under Kirchnerism (leftist peronism) shall we:

fas·cism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/
noun
1. a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
2. the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
3. a fascist movement, especially the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43.

Taking definition 1. let's expand it a little and compare to leftist peronism.

“a governmental system” - Tick
“led by a dictator having complete power” - Tick (KFC rules by decree)
“forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism” - Tick ( Nationally owned press, anyone who disagrees is a traitor)
“regimenting all industry, commerce, etc.” - Tick (YPF, etc)
“emphasizing an aggressive nationalism” - Tick (pirates, etc)
“and often racism.” - Tick (Argentina is whiiiiite!)

So, by the definition of the term 'fascist' from a reputable dictionary, Argentina is indeed fascist. FACT.
43 Boovis (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 08:48 am Report abuse
@31 freedom to read your papers is irrelevent if the government controls the print run, and have you checked you country's freedom of press rankings lately? Also, given your school's indoctrination of the young re: history of the falklands, they know it doesn't matter what you read elsewhere because you'll always have the nagging voi e in your head saying “...but they're wrong, we were told the truth...”. CFK and her cronies did a good job on you.
44 JuanStanic (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 08:51 am Report abuse
@40
Well, I was not talking about how to face the issue, but about dropping or not the claim.
The approach is something I don't dispute you. I agree with what you say and think it should be done that way. But, two things happen. 1) We look very short term. It would be almost against our way of thinking to expect us doing real long term thinking. It's just not us. 2) The chance of not getting them erodes anychance of this happening.

Regarding 2) I would take an approach were the matter of sovereignity is left to the side for X amount of time. We recognize you are the defacto administration on the Islands and you have a claim, and you recognize we have a claim and that sovereignity is disputed. And it stays there. We cooperate and when X amount of time happens we see where we are.

But just as a matter of fact, we recognize your right to self-determination(depending what the government thinks), which also doesn't mean recognizing you as an independent and sovereign people.

“La Nación Argentina ratifica su legítima e imprescriptible soberanía sobre las islas Malvinas, Georgias del Sur y Sandwich del Sur y los espacios marítimos e insulares correspondientes, por ser parte integrante del territorio nacional.
La recuperación de dichos territorios y el ejercicio pleno de la soberanía, respetando el modo de vida de sus habitantes, y conforme a los principios del Derecho Internacional, constituyen un objetivo permanente e irrenunciable del pueblo argentino.”

“First.- The Argentine Nation ratifies its legitimate and non-prescribing sovereignty over the Malvinas, Georgias del Sur and Sandwich del Sur Islands and over the corresponding maritime and insular zones, as they are an integral part of the National territory. The recovery of said territories and the full exercise of sovereignty, respectful of the way of life of their inhabitants and according to the principles of international law, are a permanent and unrelinquished goal of the Argentine people.”
45 stick up your junta (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 09:22 am Report abuse
I suppose that, in the meantime (centuries you mention), South-America must just sit there and watch how Great Britain milks and empties the natural resources of the 12.000.000 square miles of Self-proclaimed Exclusive Economical Zone on the South Atlantic.

Whats with the South American shit? its you argies that have the problem,and as for us exploiting resources,you havent made much use of what you already have
46 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 09:30 am Report abuse
(41) Think

”What a generous and balanced proposition……

I suppose that, in the meantime (centuries you mention), South-America must just sit there and watch how Great Britain milks and empties the natural resources of the 12.000.000 square miles of Self-proclaimed Exclusive Economical Zone on the South Atlantic.

“Think” again, mate…”

First of all, I am not in a position to be generous about anything and neither is the UK or for that matter, Argentina. I can only try to be diplomatic and respectful. I will see how long I can keep it up.

Yes it could take centuries but the Argentine claim over the Falklands forms a dispute not a forgone conclusion. Argentina can participate in and benefit from the exploration and exploitation of hydrocarbons during the dispute or they can sit and harrumph at what they think is a terrible injustice and get absolutely nothing.

At the same time they can threaten, blockade, disrupt trade and nurture distrust and ill feeling which will only harden Falkland resolve.

And as for emptying the natural resources surrounding the islands, until Argentina successfully executes her claim over the them, what Falkland does with her natural resources is their concern. Not ours (UK and Argentina).
47 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 09:32 am Report abuse
@45 that's why they're so bitter. They're all sat on oil and yet there is no oil in there pumps and they're subsisting on a black market for petrol.

What I find hilarious here is it clearly says:

”The recovery of said territories and the full exercise of sovereignty, respectful of the way of life of their inhabitants and according to the principles of international law, are a permanent and unrelinquished goal of the Argentine people.”

When absolutely nothing they have done is respectful of the way of life of their inhabitants and according to the principles of international law. It's just being incredibly hostile and antagonising them over and over and over again.

These Argentinians aren't even capable of following their own constitution, so how can they be trusted?
48 lsolde (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 10:40 am Report abuse
@47 GreekYoghurt,
Answer:- They can't. Ever.
@36“All the World” johnfarrel2050,
Wrong again, johnnyboy. We don't “must” anything.
Argentina has NEVER owned the Falklands & does not do so now.
What about Argentina returning the land that it stole from Paraguay in 1871?
@41Squatter,
The UK & the Falklands will exploit what we please from OUR territories & its got nothing to do with you or your silly country.
You may sit & watch us do this if you like.
Whatever rows your boat.
49 Beavis (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 11:07 am Report abuse
Nicely played CFK.
Maybe next the air route to Chile will become impractical to use, or need a 90% reduction.
Military practice maneuvers or even Environmental reasons could be cited....scaring ducks or some such.
Possibly Chile will be a friend (as well as trade partner) and see that Punta Arenas needs development for a decade.
(don't most international flights to Santiago move through Arg airspace?).
Maybe the Rio Gallegos flight could remain.
Altogether theres probably no need to even break any laws ..overtly.. or make a 'Diego Garcia' out of the situation.
50 Xect (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 11:26 am Report abuse
Nicely played CFK? What like the nicely played farce in the UN? Or how about destroying the Argentine economy? Yes really well played.

Her tactics are akin to those of Sadam or even better Syria which Argentina supports whilst it butchers its own population.

The UK to anyone with half a brain is clearly schooling Argentina on politics and the UK hasn't even attacked yet its just been letting the fascist scumbag in power make a fool of herself.

The UK can easily circumvent any flight problems by providing its own so the politicking around the flights will always be a non-starter. Not to mention the UK has performed a masterful move in making Argentina engage with the Falkland's government thereby recognizing the,.
51 The Cestrian (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 11:40 am Report abuse
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_502

“Resolution 502, which was in the United Kingdom's favour, gave the UK the option to invoke Article 51 of the United Nations Charter, allowing it to claim the right of self-defence”.

Seems pretty clear who they think has sovereignty over the islands. Yet more evidence (as if it was needed) to add to the pile already stacked.
52 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 11:50 am Report abuse
I'm personally looking forward to someone asking the C24 why they are discussing something that isn't in their remit, e.g. listening to a delinquent nation demand the transfer of self-governing territories from one nation to another. Even the discussion of this kind of demand is not relevant to the purposes of the C24.

Unless he's completely incompetent, which is a question that many are beginning to ask, I'm guessing the Ban Ki-Moon is aware of this misuse of UN funds.

A good example of why no one takes up the offer of negotiation in his good offices, I guess.
53 Britishbulldog (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 12:11 pm Report abuse
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2109429/A-dirty-war-British-soldiers-shot-dead-enemy-troops-waving-white-flag-Argentinian-prisoners-bayoneted-cold-blo od-An-ex-Para-tells-horrors-Falklands.html

This is what awaits you bastards if you try invading again and this time I don’t think we will stop at the Islands the next time you will find that we will be on your home soil and you will be dancing to the tune of Rule Britannia and it will be us who will be burning the rag you call your flag. You have been warned so pull back from the brink before it’s too late.
54 Think (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 12:21 pm Report abuse
46 Furry-Fat-Feck

You say:
”I can only try to be diplomatic and respectful. I will see how long I can keep it up.”

I say:
Diplomatic and respectful ???
You are quite new in here and only posted on four threads so far…. but anyhow you already managed to insult and smear:

1) The Argentinean President; I quote:
”I admit I am a bear of very little brain but considering her actions so far, if she is on a bipolar downer at the minute she might be capable of dreaming anything up.”

2) Three successful Anglos that ”dared” to express their opinion about the “Malvinas Issue”; I quote:
”So they now have a wife beater, a drug abuser with second thoughts depending on his audience and an unrepentant racist.”

Diplomatic and respectful my left foot…………
Not very much sense in continuing a dialogue with you……

Have a nice weekend.
El Think, Chubut, Argentina.
55 shb (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 12:49 pm Report abuse
I happen to agree with you“Furrey-Fat-Feck”.

The only way that Argentina will ever make any traction with HMG or the Falklanders will be by trying a more contrustuctive approach. It will take a long time, decades at least to establish meaningful levels of trust in Argentine intentions.

The offer of flights cannot be taken seriously in a time when Cruise ships are blocked from entering port, as are FI Flagged vessels. It cannot be taken seriously at a time when the Argentineans seek to get Chile to stop flights from Santiago. It cannot be taken seriously while Argentine Naval and coast guard ships commercial vessels on the high seas.

Imagine if you were an israeli and Iran offered to run all your flights in and out of your own country, or during the cold war if the Soviets had made a similar offer to us involving Aeroflot. Thats what your offer looks like.

You don't turn communications over to your enemies , or those hostile to you.

Meanwhile we can do whatever we damn well like with our own resources. You can cry, shout and scream as much as you like. You withdrew from all the agreements about sharing them, we did'nt force you to do that. Go away and be poor until you can figure out a better way of engaging with us other than grandstanding.

We will fight if need be to defend the Falklanders from Argentine occupation. We will fight to protect our economic interests.

No surrender.
56 malen (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 12:57 pm Report abuse
If it is said Puerto Menendez it would be an insult.
But we say Puerto Argentino, and the word argentino it is not an insult. but you hate so much Argentina....
the war itself was a mistake. No matter whether it was Stanley or Argentino.
57 British_Kirchnerist (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 01:14 pm Report abuse
What a silly article, doesn't the author realise that Cristina herself was a victim of the babysnatching junta, to imply that the kind and compassionate princess of peace and progress could do the same as them is an absursd and mendacious insult. One calculated to dredge up BNP style filth like the pro-war crimes comment at #53.

#42 fascism is...““a governmental system” - Tick”! Are you an anarchist then Greek?
““led by a dictator having complete power” - Tick ” Well either she's using her “complete power” more sparingly than any dictator I've ever heard of, or more likely the presence of so many critics and oppositionists shows that the beautiful one is no dictator at all. Her “power” is the love of the people; long may that continue =)
58 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 01:33 pm Report abuse
@57 I'm neither an anarchist, nor do I particularly like the psychopathic self-serving weaselish prevaricators who are drawn to politics.

You say she's not a dictator, so let's have a look:

dic·ta·tor /ˈdɪkteɪtər, dɪkˈteɪtər/
noun
1. a person exercising absolute power, especially a ruler who has absolute, unrestricted control in a government without hereditary succession.
2. (in ancient Rome) a person invested with supreme authority during a crisis, the regular magistracy being subordinated to him until the crisis was met.
3. a person who authoritatively prescribes conduct, usage, etc.: a dictator of fashion.
4. a person who dictates, as to a secretary.

Using definition 1 we see that a dictator doesn't have hereditary succession, so let's find the right term for her, given that Fat-nestor is being groomed for power as we speak. Well, my political science dictionary says technically what Argentina has is called a 'personalistic regime' or a 'family dictatorship'.

So, she is a dictator because she rules by decree, and the political system is called a family dictatorship.
59 Conqueror (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 01:40 pm Report abuse
@3 Part of this question, at least, needs to be answered by an Islander. The matter of independence. As far as I know, Britain has never formally offered independence and the Falklanders have never requested it. Perhaps it's a question of safety. As a BOT, it is difficult to see how Britain could decline to come to the Islands' assistance. As an independent country, even with a defence treaty, Britain “could” decline to get involved. Not saying that Britain would, but I think the option would be there. NATO is a non-starter. The treaty area is the North Atlantic. The EU is another non-starter because its area of interest is Europe. The Commonwealth would be a possibility.
@13 I don't think size has a bearing on the fact of independence. But the smallest known sovereign state is Nauru with a population of 9,322.
@17 No. The North Atlantic Treaty relates to Europe and (North) America. Whilst the Treaty obliges other members to assist, it does not oblige them to assist militarily. Nor do dependent territories outside the Treaty area come under the Treaty umbrella, except for some Overseas departments of France.
@29 “And other very different is to hand over our soverignity in our indisputed lands.” Have you become British? As an argie, you have no sovereignty in respect of the Falklands, South Georgia or the South Sandwich Islands. Please notice who is disputing whose sovereignty. YOU are disputing OURS. WE have no dispute.
@33 If you were at war with the UK, why didn't you attack the UK? And whoever you thought you were at war with, it doesn't change the date the Islanders became free of you.
@36 More drivel. MORE medication. 7.6mm medication!
@41 Why don't you T****! Sorry, you're an argie, aren't you? So you can't T****!
@44 One error in your comment. YOU don't have a valid claim.
@49 Dreamin', you're just dreamin'. Played so well CFK has to “negotiate” with a government she doesn't recognise.
@54 Difficult to avoid insults with CFK.
60 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 02:08 pm Report abuse
(54) @ Think

”Not very much sense in continuing a dialogue with you……”

So KFC isn’t bipolar? She has no excuse for her behaviour then.

Sean Penn isn’t a wife beater? Roger Waters isn’t a hypocritical substance abuser with a shifting opinion? And finally Morrissey isn’t an unrepentant racist?

Does this mean I don’t have to read your posts from now on? Can I take it as a pledge?

Bonus.

I think I will hold you to it.
61 ptolemy (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 02:32 pm Report abuse
By the way, the baby story in the beginning is still true today. When you take your child out of Argentina (the child having been born there,) they require that you have their birth certificate in addition to their Argentine passport., etc.. (Never mind that the birth certificate is required to obtain the Argentine passport,..Argentine logic at work. ) They all think you are stealing Argentine children. If you don't know about the birth certificate, it can be a real time waster at the airport and you will miss your flight!
62 Conqueror (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 03:12 pm Report abuse
@54 Sorry. To continue what I was saying -
@54 Difficult to avoid insults with CFK. Can't really call her a “woman”. That would be to insult every proper woman on the planet. Can't call her a “female”. That just widens the insult to every species on the planet that has two sexes. Can't call her a “bitch”. Female canines are bitches. And why do you complain about a “smear”? Smearing her over any handy wall or patch of concrete is a very creditable objective. I'd talk about smearing her brains over various objects, but we know she doesn't have any. She's just a psychotic animal with delusions. Not “delusions of grandeur”. Just delusions. And let's look at her “achievements”! She leads a 40 million strong group of rebel colonists against a nation of 3,000. And she can't, and won't, win. Typical argie. All mouth and no pants. To gain support, what does she do? She bends over her “desk” and asks “Which hole do you want to shaft? I don't mind. I just want to know what taste to expect when I deep-throat you later!” Having “disposed” of her “husband” when he became “inconvenient”, what depths would she not aspire to? Notice that I do not say “sink to”. Wherever she goes, it will be “up” not “down”. Like everyone else with the same “nationality” printed in their documents!
63 Think (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 03:51 pm Report abuse
(61) Ptolemy

By the way, the baby story in the beginning is still true today.
When you take a child out of Argentina we require that you have a birth certificate in addition to their Argentine passport.
We have all over Latin America seen hundreds if not thousands of cases of Gringos “stealing” cute brown babies.
Last big case hitting the headlines was that nice “Christian” sect that went to Haiti after the Earthquake and exported some hundreds to the USA.

Soooo; yes Mr. Ptolemy.......
We check that no human trafficking is taking place.
Sorry if that “delays” you.......
64 ARGENTINOHASTALASBOLAS (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 04:03 pm Report abuse
Excuseme Mr., This is not an offer. You could refuse nothig because nothig was offered. Argentina does not recognize any authority in Malvinas to negociate a change. When Cristina talked she did not talk to a fake authority. She was talking to our Congress.
65 Marcos Alejandro (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 04:42 pm Report abuse
63 Think
Do you think John Fowler doesn't know that or he continues to play the victim role?

At the minute 8:50(posted before) I can see John walking by with his young child during the war, two years after his“incident” in Buenos Aires airport. He doesn't look that terrified doesn't he?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=720lj4O_5lw
66 The Cestrian (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 04:45 pm Report abuse
@64

“Argentina does not recognize any authority in Malvinas to negociate a change”.

Then you're not going to get very far are you. Stop trying to involve the UK government in this. We have nothing to do with it. If you have a problem with the Falklands then you need to talk to their sovereign Government about what you are going to do to help them out.

If the FIG need the UK then no doubt they will ask for help.
67 stick up your junta (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 05:08 pm Report abuse
Gringos “stealing” cute brown babies.
Last big case hitting the headlines was that nice “Christian” sect that went to Haiti after the Earthquake and exported some hundreds to the USA.

You couldnt have that Think,you Argies wouldnt have anybody to do experiments on

GSK Argentina fined for experimenting vaccines in babies from poor families
GlaxoSmithKline Argentina Laboratories company was fined 400.000 Pesos (approx 90.000 dollars) by Judge Marcelo Aguinsky following a report issued by the National Administration of Medicine, Food and Technology (ANMAT) for the killing of 14 babies during illegal lab vaccine trials conducted between 2007 and 2008.
68 Anti-Fascist (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 05:14 pm Report abuse
49 Beavis

Stick to reading Mein Kampf and sucking Butt Heads cock fascist cunt.
69 Think (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 05:19 pm Report abuse
(65) Marcos Alejandro

I do recognize, understand and share the feelings Mr. Fowler describes in his two first paragraphs.

I would have felt precisely the same as he did….
He was not playing the victim in 1980.
He certainly was a potential victim.

But he is very much playing the victim today, in 2012………….

On a lighter venue now…………….:
An Anglo poster made me chuckle today suggesting that Mr. Fowler should have tried to bribe that customs official into confiscating his mother-in-law ;-)
70 anti-fascist2 (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 05:30 pm Report abuse
65 Marcos Alejandro

What kind of parallel universe do you live in?

His island has just been invaded by 30,000 Argentine troops, the same military that has just RAPED, TORTURED AND MURDERED between 50,000 and 100,000 of their own youth (their children included on the basis of their political beliefs - or in the case of the children simply because they were witness to events) and you claim he didn't look scared enough - based on your analysis of a 2 second clip from a 30 year old newsreel on youtube?

Even if it's the same man, purhaps you should try asking him.

But I understand you Nazi scum, don't believe anything that doesn't fit into your own propagandised interpretation of anything.

You still explain away the genocide of your own people, as “the removal of terrorists”.

You are coward scum and I swear to God I'd love to smack the living daylights out of you.

There are decent Argentines and they despise you people as much as the rest of us. They don't get much of a voice in Argentina but they come on here often enough to be accused of being traitors by nationalist fanatical maniacs like you and Think.

Sick people. Maybe you'll grow up one day. Maybe you'll just die lamenting the defeat a fascist military, under the command of a fascist military dictatorship faced after invading a defenseless group of islands, which they believed the world wouldn't do anything about.

Sick people, 1,000 dead on top of their tally of murders and oppression.

Didn't look scared in the 2 second news clip! I prey for you people, you really are the scum of the Earth.
71 Think (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 05:34 pm Report abuse
(67) Stick up your Junta

I try to avoid any interaction with turnips like you…… but here you really excelled!

Yes……; Glaxo Smith Kline has been fined for experimenting vaccines in babies from poor Argentinean families.

Glaxo Smith Kline is a BRITISH MULTINATIONAL. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlaxoSmithKline

What a Turnip!
72 stick up your junta (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 05:38 pm Report abuse
So you boycott British Flagged ships cos they go to the Falklands,but allow a British company to experiment on Argie babies,I think, think you are the turnip
73 ChrisR (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 05:42 pm Report abuse
Well, it doesn't really matter what anyone, including the Queen of Plastic herself 'believes' about the Falklands (there are no Malvinas) other than the Falklanders.

The only thing that matters here is that Argentina are NOT allowed to come up with some surreptitious 'plan' to disadvantage the Falklanders access to the rest of the world.

In any event the Argentine flag carrier is a very poorly run business with aircraft of almost vintage status. I personally do not fly on this carrier which reduces my options and costs extra money.

On safety grounds alone how can anyone dare to when the country cannot even run trains properly.
74 Anti-Fascist (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 05:47 pm Report abuse
yes everyone should watch this clip, scared, I'd say the islanders not only look scared, they sound scared, so would anyone after their homes had just been jackbooted...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=720lj4O_5lw

71 Think

You're just scum. No one on here is interested in what you have to say. All you manage is to underline the hypocrisy of your own cause. A cause you know and have admitted on here again and again is full of hypocrisy. What motivates you isn't justice, its nationalism, the same nationalism that propelled Germany into Czechoslovakia, Poland, France, Holland, Belgium, Russia and beyond.

Argentina has smaller ambitions but the same motivation and the same rational, even the same philosophy, national socialism - nationalism, socialism, corporatism. In Italy they called it fascism, in Argentina Juan Peron called it Peronism. Christina Kirchiner's hero Eva took it on, employing the AAA to do some of the dirty work, in her war on leftists but the CIA needed the military to finish the work of their Operation Condor (google it!) and they went to town. Borges says 50,000 - 100,000, a genocide and a crime against humanity.

What do you call it? The necessary eradication of left wing terrorists. They weren't even terrorists, not that you could have tens of thousands of “terrorists” and you know it!

Scum.
75 The Cestrian (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 06:37 pm Report abuse
There are no depths to which Argentina wont stoop too:

www.stonegateinstitute.org/2294/argentina-iran-nuclear-cooperation

There appears to be a growing band of similar distasteful countries banding together to save their own political skins. Its quite revolting.
76 Think (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 06:56 pm Report abuse
(74) Anti Fascist

As I previously said to “Mr. Stick up your Junta” att post (71) ..:

I normally avoid any interaction with turnips like you…… but here you really excelled!

Let me correct some of your “minor” misconceptions.....:
1) Christina Kirchiner….? You surely mean Cristina Kirchner....
2) Eva Peron died in 1952……….! You surely meant Isabel Peron....
3) I don’t need to “Google” the “Plan Condor”………….. I did survive it....
4) Regrettably, Borges never did say much against the dictatorship. (I liked the man)
5) I have always been a “Left Leaning, Scandinavian Style, Social Democrat”; apparently a wrong big enough to be persecuted by our old dictatorships and idiotically accused by the likes of you.

What a Turnip!
77 Marcos Alejandro (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 07:37 pm Report abuse
@69 Think
“An Anglo poster made me chuckle today suggesting that Mr. Fowler should have tried to bribe that customs official into confiscating his mother-in-law”
I never thought about that before...what a great idea :-)

70 anti-fascist2
Of course nothing compare of how well Brits treated children in Iraq a few years ago...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkXu1UVTSzU
78 polacandino (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 07:42 pm Report abuse
When I first read of Cristina's offer of 3x weekly flights to BsAs for the Kelpers, I couldn't help but think there might be some cynicism in her gesture. She knows this is an empty offer. She knows that the Kelpers and their friends in London would be too proud and stubborn to accept any positive or conciliatory move on the part of Argentina.

Of course, the Kelpers and their keeper, Mr. Cameron, have fallen right into Cristina's trap. Her offer was met with with the same portions of slander and half- truths that are tossed at her every other gesture toward the islands. Several of the folks who write into these pages are fond of repeating the accusation that Argentina “shoots itself in the foot”. Now we in Argentina can look to the southeast to gain a clearer perspective on this form of mass self-mutilation.

On a more serious note, I wonder if the no thinking on flights to Buenos Aires is unanimous among the islanders. Surely there must be at least a dozen or so people out there saying, “Hey, just a minute! Don't turn this down on my account!” Have you considered the possibility that your tourist business might no longer be confined to passengers on cruise ships?

Are you folks thinking or just reloading for the other foot?
79 Frank (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 07:56 pm Report abuse
@78 'Have you considered the possibility that your tourist business might no longer be confined to passengers on cruise ships? '

It isn't.
80 The Falklands are British (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 08:07 pm Report abuse
78 Pola Candida

You are quite right about us needing the additional flights and that is why we will soon take up the offer of flights direct from that large city up north. Just not your large city up north. You see KFC knows how close we are to putting it all in place so she is desperate. The people we are dealing with have no dealings with Argentina and therefore cannot be controlled by your president. They will not be her pawn and they are keen to work with us. They know with the oils work taking root the number of flights will quickly grow from 2 or 3 a week to eventually 2 or 3 a day within a short number of years.
81 Frank (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 08:12 pm Report abuse
and also.... in a world where you can fly non stop between Sydney and BA and between Madrid and Santiago why would anybody even think of coming to MPA via BA from anywhere.....
82 The Falklands are British (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 08:13 pm Report abuse
81 Frank

Beats me.
83 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 08:30 pm Report abuse
@81,82 ... and add to that, in a very very old plane with terrible service.
84 The Falklands are British (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 09:41 pm Report abuse
81 and 83

Yeah, and the argument that it makes good business sense for tourism is like telling an attractive female office clerk that she could make more money being a hooker. Even if she could put up with the offensiveness of it, it will most likely eventually go all wrong when she catches an STD or when her pimp starts getting too greedy.

Actually dealing with KFC could give you very similar outcomes to that analogy.
85 Malvinero1 (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 09:45 pm Report abuse
On a more serious note, I wonder if the no thinking on flights to Buenos Aires is unanimous among the islanders. Surely there must be at least a dozen or so people out there saying, “Hey, just a minute! Don't turn this down on my account!” Have you considered the possibility that your tourist business might no longer be confined to passengers on cruise ships?
and also.... in a world where you can fly non stop between Sydney and BA and between Madrid and Santiago why would anybody even think of coming to MPA via BA from anywhere
OK just cancel the offer guys..you pay the bill....No Problema..As long as the brits are stupid enough to foot the bill,I do not care...
86 The Falklands are British (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 09:52 pm Report abuse
85

But the thing is, when the UK does say no thanks (and it has to be the UK, even though, of course, they will ask FIG first) the Argies won't leave it at that. They will squeal and carry on about it. Why would they be so bothered if it is just simply a genuine offer of kindness?

Get real you idiots.
87 Zahida (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 09:53 pm Report abuse
Reading some comments here published by some Argentine fellows all I can say is that I'm completely embarrased of being from Argentina, especially because some people, including our President. Here we have some major problems to deal with on a daily basis than issue of FI. Many of us recognise this as a way to divert some people's attention to other more worrysome issues. Our economy is falling into pieces, our civilians rights are being irrespected and our country is running towards becoming the next Cuba. Don´t worry Falkland's people, many Argentines are not following this dipomatic circus invented by our government and we don't accept any “kind gesture” from her either.
88 The Falklands are British (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 10:02 pm Report abuse
87 Zahida

Thanks for your thoughtful rules. Of course you do realise the zombies from your country on here will label you a Brit in disguise. They'll even challenge you to write a few sentences on here in Spanish to prove you are Argentine. The poor idiots.

Anyway, good luck with your real problems over there and thanks for your support for us over here where our biggest problem is of course whether your government may do something crazy that could hurt us and our families.
89 Zahida (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 10:25 pm Report abuse
Many of us understand the situation you're undergoing and understand that the way our gvnmt is acting is not only impolite, undiplomatic and improvised, full of disrespet to your peolple, but also dangerous to you! We believe you people have the right to decide on your self determination so as not being dictated on what to do or how to behave in this matter!
90 Frank (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 10:28 pm Report abuse
@88 'our biggest problem is of course whether your government may do something crazy that could hurt us and our families.'
I think they are going (to continue) to do crazy things that hurt the average Argentinian and his family... the middle class will cop it once again.... the Falklands are just a sideshow.
91 axel arg (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 10:32 pm Report abuse
When i heard that the government was going to propose the u. k. to connect the islands with buenos aires, by aerolineas argentinas, i took it as a very good news, but i didn't take into account the fact that surelly the islanders wouden't accept it.
Unfortunately they will insist with their favourite game, which is victimization, and to twist some important facts.
I dont deny that per haps our government commited mistakes when it recalled the agreements that it had signed in the past with the u. k. But at the same time, you reject sistematicly since 1983 all the resolutions that call the two parts of the conflict to resume the negotiations, anyway i know that during the shamefull decade of the 90's, it was stablished the umbrella policy, but that decaded finished in 1999 luckily, and even after that you continued rejecting to resume the negotiations, so, it's only our side the one that is not acting correctly?, i know that your hipocresy wont never let you recognize that you are not acting correctly neather, and will insist with you usuall pathetic game, so, dont complain if we have more problems in the future, because accept it or not, you know very well that your own intransigence is part of the result of the actual scenario.
Regarding the article of our constitution, mr fowler omits that beyond what our constitution expresses, the u. n. and most international comunity never asked the u. k. to transfer the sovereignty to argentina, all the resolutions only call the two parts to resume the negotiations and fin a fair solution, even c. f. k said in diferent forums that we are not asking the u.k. to recognize that the islands are argentine, beside she also assured that none islanders will have to renounce to the british nationality.
Anyway, like i always say, the worse of this situation aren't the omitions and the so partial analysis of the mediocre politicians or giornalists like this guy, the worse is that planty of people may be believe them.
92 The Falklands are British (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 10:52 pm Report abuse
91 Axel

Are you fucking insane or what? How did you for one moment think we would accept your whore of a president's delusional offer? Grow a fucking brain. We want nothing to do with you and your crazy government.
93 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 11:14 pm Report abuse
(85) @ Mal

Yes. Unfortunately there is a premium to pay when you live next door to an abusive, violent, bullying, disrespectful and threatening neighbour. It is for the unfortunately essential extra security and the ability to avoid them at all costs.

It is a shame but that is an everyday reality for Falklanders.
94 lsolde (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 11:14 pm Report abuse
@91Axelarg,
Thank you for your kind offer.
However we won't be taking it up as we don't trust you.
Oh, and by the way, just in case you didn't understand our position:-
THERE WILL BE NO NEGOTIATIONS ON SOVEREIGNTY.
I can't make it any clearer than that.
@87 & 89 Zahida,
Thank you very much for your input.
You are the type of Argentine that we want as a neighbour.
We can co-operate.
@60Furry-fat-feck,
You are on a winner if you can hold the Squatter to it!
95 The Cestrian (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 11:19 pm Report abuse
Zahida, some interesting comments from you. They conform to what most UK related people think as well. Your country is now keeping very dangerous company Venezuela, Syria, Iran and Cuba and I cant help but get the feeling that as your Preisdent is a bit clueless she has allowed herself to be overly influenced by some very unsavoury characters ie Chavez.

Every single story you read about on the internet relating to Argentina is to be honest crap - it just looks like a completely lawless and corrupt government who will lead your country down a very long and bad garden path.

Surely there have to be some politicians in your country who are not tainted by corruption, ridiculous nationalism and economic incompetence and could do a good job for your country.

Axel, you just dont get this do you? you have bene brainwashed at school over this Falklands issue and you cannot see the wood for the trees. you have no legitimate claim on the FI and the pre conditions set by your government that it must start and end with sovereignty for Argentina is frankly a joke. there is no chance whatsoever of the UK sitting down and talking with the current administration in BA. Frankly your President is a crackpot and just seems mentally unstable.

If you want to understand how normal and stable democracies go on look to Europe, the USA etc. and you see some stable examples. Fair enough they arent perfect but compare it to what you have and you start too see your internal deficiencies.

The FI are British, always have been, are and always will be. Your country really needs to forget about them and move on. Aligning yourself with other crackpot south American countries who love nothing more than Western Gringo Bashing, spouting on about “pirates”, “colonialsim” and “imperialism” every other word might play well with Chavez or Iran (the pariahs of the world) but everyone else in the civilised world just cringes and such behaviour will get you nowhere.
96 Monty69 (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 11:24 pm Report abuse
91 axel arg

Don't come the raw prawn with us. Your offer, of taking away something that we want and replacing it with something we don't want, is no offer at all, and well you know it.
It's a gambit. We know it, and everyone else knows it. It's cynical and manipulative. If you don't know that then you're a credulous fool.
97 The Cestrian (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 11:35 pm Report abuse
“Once again, the Kirchner government has shown itself to be extremely thin-skinned and intolerant of perceived criticism. Concerns about the weakness of Argentina's institutions, and the rule of law in particular, are a dime a dozen in the Argentine press, voiced by academics, business leaders, judges, opposition politicians, pundits, and NGOs. Argentines are well aware that Argentina is not attracting as much investment as are Brazil, Chile, and others in the region. The business community's anxiety about arbitrary and capricious rule changes is well known to the Argentine public and the government. Only die-hard kirchneristas will agree with Randazzo's assertion that Argentina enjoys ”full institutional and juridical guarantees,“ or the MFA's contention that it is unaware of any dissatisfaction on the part of any American company. For most Argentines, those are laugh lines or cynically disingenuous statements. That said, we hope that this contretemps will soon peter out, as has happened in similar such episodes in the past”.

www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/242241

www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/29/hillary-clinton-cristina-kirchner-stress
98 Marcelo Kohen (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 11:42 pm Report abuse
Fowler’s (and other British comments on flights) 11 mistakes and inconsistencies:
1) Argentina dictatorship ended 29 years ago…
2)The story he tells about Ezeiza Airport and the request for children papers is simply no longer possible : now Islanders can travel with British passports.
3)Between 1971 and 1982, the White Card was applicable to everybody (i.e. holders of Argentine or British IDs), not only islanders, in the transit between the Islands and the Argentine Mainland, as a way to avoid problems with the determination of nationality. At that time, Argentina requested to any person born in Argentina but having dual nationality, to enter or leave Argentina only with Argentine IDs or Passports. Since long before, this is no longer requested.
4) As a matter of course, the Argentine government will not have to discuss with the British government of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas) matters that relate to a treaty signed between two States : Argentina and the UK. Mexico will not discuss with California something related to a treaty concluded with the USA, even if it concern practical questions of California
5) According to the UK itself, matters related to foreign relations are not the resort of the local government, but of the FCO.
6) Fowler forgets that the UK is in breach, vis-à-vis Argentina, of its obligation to settle international disputes through the existing peaceful means, and this, for decades. You cannot expect the Argentine government helping you in exploring and exploiting the natural resources of an area under dispute. Put an end your breach of international obligations.
7) The interim provision of the 1994 Constitution is simply a statement of the traditional Argentine position, it does not prevent negotiations and cannot determine its outcome. Like the UK legislation considering the Islands a BOT. If there are negotiations and the outcome requires the modification of the domestic law of any party or both, this can be a condition for any agreement
99 briton (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 11:48 pm Report abuse
that the UK is in breach
and how many times has argentina been in breach,
or ignored , or just couldent be bothered, .
100 The Cestrian (#) Mar 03rd, 2012 - 11:51 pm Report abuse
@98

Why would the UK government and the FIG agree to anything with Argentina when there is nothing to agree to other than the FI are sovereign UK territory.

Again you just dont get this. The UK and the FI has no incentive to sit down and give you RG's anything.

Its a bit like me owning my own house, my noisy neighbour hassling me because he wants it and asking me to sit down and agree the terms under which he can have it for nothing.

Utter madness. Your blind nationalism and schoolboy George Orwellian brainwashing renders the majority of your countrymen seemingly incapable of seeing how utterly futile your efforts look to the rest of the world.

just forget about it and move on. Stop educating your children about this futile exercise and start educating them on economics and social stability.
101 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 12:13 am Report abuse
(89) @ Zahida.

Thank you for your thoughts and words, they encourage hope and go a long way to restoring some of my faith in humanity.

It is obvious that many Argentines feel very strongly about this and the claim to Argentine sovereignty is not really what bothers anybody. Everybody is entitled to an opinion. It is the methodology and the belligerence that grates.

I am also shocked and saddened by some of the language and some of the sentiments posted by some of those who claim to support the Falklanders. It simply doesn't help anybody.

The Falklanders have put their all into building their homes and raising their families for generations and whatever injustices the British may have done or are simply accused of doing, they did none of it in the Falkland Islands. The people who live there just want to do so in peace. And whatever the Argentine people may or may not think I know they just want the same.

Your president however appears to have other ideas.

The UK cannot negotiate sovereignty because 1) The Falklanders have the final say, not the UK and not Argentina and 2) The Argentine constitution forbids it. They say that Sovereignty is non negotiable.

So what exactly does the Argentine president wish negotiate with regard to sovereignty?

At a guess she just wants to know when the Falklanders are going to give their sovereignty over to Argentina. Is anybody in any doubt what the answer is going to be? Surely not.

Anyway thank you for yor input. Good luck to you, your family and your country. Try to ignore anybody who accuses you of being British or unpatriotic. I just think you want your country to evolve and develop without resorting to bullying it's neighbours. Fair play to you, you strike me as very brave and try to ignore some the comments made by the war hawks on the Falklands/UK side. In their/our defence, they really have been provoked by all this nonsense.
102 Marcelo Kohen (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 12:21 am Report abuse
Fowler’s (and other British comments on flights) 11 mistakes and inconsistencies:
1) Argentina dictatorship ended 29 years ago…
2)The story he tells about Ezeiza Airport and the request for children papers is simply no longer possible : now Islanders can travel with British passports.
3)Between 1971 and 1982, the White Card was applicable to everybody (i.e. holders of Argentine or British IDs), not only islanders, in the transit between the Islands and the Argentine Mainland, as a way to avoid problems with the determination of nationality. At that time, Argentina requested to any person born in Argentina but having dual nationality, to enter or leave Argentina only with Argentine IDs or Passports. Since long before, this is no longer requested.
4) As a matter of course, the Argentine government will not have to discuss with the British government of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas) matters that relate to a treaty signed between two States : Argentina and the UK. Mexico will not discuss with California something related to a treaty concluded with the USA, even if it concern practical questions of California
5) According to the UK itself, matters related to foreign relations are not the resort of the local government, but of the FCO.
6) Fowler forgets that the UK is in breach, vis-à-vis Argentina, of its obligation to settle international disputes through the existing peaceful means, and this, for decades. You cannot expect the Argentine government helping you in exploring and exploiting the natural resources of an area under dispute. Put an end your breach of international obligations.
(to be followed…)
103 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 12:27 am Report abuse
(102) @ Kohen.

I have read all this somewhere before. Where was it now?

Oh there it is. Post number 98. It was you.

Why are you repeating yourself?

Oh the wonders of cut and paste. Well done you. You are very clever.
104 Marcelo Kohen (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 12:34 am Report abuse
sorry, the last points on Fowler's (and others) position on flights &c:

7) The interim provision of the 1994 Constitution is simply a statement of the traditional Argentine position, it does not prevent negotiations and cannot determine its outcome. Like the UK legislation considering the Islands a BOT. If there are negotiations and the outcome requires the modification of the domestic law of any party or both, this can be a condition for any agreement. I’ve never seen any government going to the negotiations table supporting the position of the other. Before 1994 there was no interim provision in the Argentine Constitution and there was the similar British NO to negotiations. Another excuse, taking advantage of the position of force.
8) I am not sure that Islanders would not like to go to BA. This is just another social pressure. Those who went to the Argentine capital were well treated and even Fowler likes the city. Come on John, it is not a shame to like it! All (Yes, I said “all”) my foreign friends, including all my British friends who came to BA love it.
9) You cannot put the 1982 dictatorship illegal use of force as a consequence of the very useful communications and other services Argentina gave to the Islanders during 1971-1982. This is simply part of Anti-Argentine propaganda. Life improved in the islands with those services.
10) Argentina made a concrete and useful proposal. You can discuss it, propose alternatives, propose the reactivation of chartered flights, etc etc. If you just say NO, do not then complain.
11) The 1999 agreement did not provide to a change of the name “Puerto Argentino”, but the study of questions concerning toponomy. Go and negotiate all the points, and insist on this. If you do not wish to negotiate the core issue, do not complain and require the other party to do things to unilaterally satisfy yourselves, if you do not accept anything from Argentina.
105 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 12:40 am Report abuse
Kohen. Why don't you just ask the Falklanders if they want these flights or not?

I am sure they can give your their answer without you having to cut and paste somebody else's novella about why they should just shut up and accept.

Just ask them.
106 The Cestrian (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 12:42 am Report abuse
@104

Marcelo what you say may be true but for as long as your President inflames the situation then no one will listen to you. No one trust this lady and the turbulence of your politics means that what one administration says today will likely change with the next one. Everything is on a whim and your government is just far too inconsistent.

Most of the people who know the Argentines well say that you are not to be trusted. Sad but the impression I get from reading some of my fellow British friends on here.
107 Graham (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 12:46 am Report abuse
Providing the Island residents can have freedom of choice in air travel, then direct fligfhts to BA are a good thing. Freedom here means allowing charter flights as well. If one could travel without being harrassed or feeling controlled (as one does through the air-bridge) then I would even use it myself one day. The flight up and down Chile is interesting once or twice, but a direct fkight from BA would only take a few hours.

Perhaps the main point is not BA but the connectivity from there to other parts of the world. Most Island residents think only UK and there are regular flights there. For me, connections to the USA, the Pacific and Far east are just as important.

Punta is a nice little place, but it is not satisfactory as an international hub.

Besides, a weekend in BA (harassement free) would make a change from the endless gales and cold of the Falklands/Malvinas, wouldn't it?

Poster 104 makes some good points. But in the Island residents minds “Argies” can't don't and never will ever make a good point, will they!
108 Frank (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 12:51 am Report abuse
I see 'bumchin' Boudou is banging on about sovereignity at the Mendoza harvest festival... there really is nothing to negotiate when you are dealing with that sort of attitude now is there.
109 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 12:51 am Report abuse
(107) @ Graham.

Can you really blame them? It is a bit like sorting out the chaff from the wheat with a pair of pliers.
110 hipolyte (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 02:51 am Report abuse
37 GreekYoghurt (#)
Well if descending from a vessel to push the people to leave the place by using weapons, and also force them to put down their flag after having accepted the independence of Argentina by your own government in 1825 is not stealing... then we might use a different name, now you tell me what name can we use for the facts of England on Malvinas in what you did in 1833, I hope you can be honest and use the same name for what you did in 1086 and 1087 in Buenos Aires and Montevideo....

Why are you trying to change history my friend ? it is all already written about it... or you think that the resolutions of the UN 2065 and 3160 are just because you did nothing in 1833 ???

why also your king in 1908 included Malvinas, Sandwich, Georgias other islands from Arg and also Chilean territory as british... what are u doing 14.000 km away of England.....
111 pepegalleta (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 03:36 am Report abuse
kelpers are scared to s,,t, cos if we flight direct to Malvinas we can send 4000 argentinians to ask per sel determination
112 Troneas (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 03:42 am Report abuse
ahh these opportunists again. you give them a hand and they take your arm. when LAN ceases to fly to Malvinas I want to see them swimming to the continent.
113 JORGE1982 (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 05:09 am Report abuse
This is time wasting! What CFK should is to inmediatly cut the LAN flights!!!
She is too nice to this non-people. No more LAN flights, no more british flagged vessels, no more british products here and nationalize every british company! to start with!
Then, government should threat all companies involved in operations in the islands, persecute them all around the world making them untrustable and making them losing money till they stop operating there.
The policy should be to make their everyday life more difficult, miserable and depressing!
After all, this non-people are just dirty squatters!
114 Frank (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 05:43 am Report abuse
@113 'The policy should be to make their everyday life more difficult, miserable and depressing!'

Your government already has such policies in place..... 'After all, are just dirty squatters!'

Enjoy your KFC paradise.......
115 Think (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 06:59 am Report abuse
TWIMC

Damn Good British Television…..:

Galloway, Johnson & Portillo
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17232314

PS:
We are working hard to provide Mr. Johnson the “catalyst” he still can’t see…
116 cLOHO (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 07:34 am Report abuse
Was this the gallant founder of the first Argentine settlement????? sounds a bit different from the recent description on this forum. Youu Argies just lie and sneak around. Now run along and count your money as the US wants its loan back, plus the defaulted IMF loan. I am sure you will pay it back as 25% plus inflation is good isn't it. Still your dictator is going to raid the bank reserves isnt she. This playing with making offers etc is similar to your old mate Adolf when he was trying to engineer border incidents with Poland. Long live the Argentine Reich!!!!

1831: Vernet seizes three US vessels and imprisons their crews. The US sends the USS Lexington and arrests seven of Vernets men. The Captain of the Lexington offers to take the settlers off the island. Most accept, however 24 remain and continue working for Vernet. The US declares the islands free from Government.
1832: Argentina sends a garrison commanded by Captain Jean Etienne Mestivier. Mestivier is murdered following a mutiny.
1833: Britain re-establishes control of the islands. (See Re-establishment of British rule on the Falklands (1833).)
117 Frank (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 07:41 am Report abuse
don't know what happened to my last... bit of finger trouble methinks...
so for the removal of all doubt.....

“@113 'The policy should be to make their everyday life more difficult, miserable and depressing!'

Your government already has such policies in place..... 'After all, are just dirty squatters!'

Enjoy your KFC paradise.......”
118 pepegalleta (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 07:42 am Report abuse
who is real Kelper here?,
want to be friendly
119 Monty69 (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 07:59 am Report abuse
102 Marcelo Kohen

Argentina has not made a 'concrete and useful proposal'. Argentina is attempting to blackmail and threaten us, again.
We have already said, repeatedly, what we want. That is a second flight to Chile and a resumption of charter flights.

Islanders already can visit BA, via Rio Gallegos. I never heard of anyone doing it, but I'm sure someone has.

Your government is offering us something we don't want and can't accept so that it can then kick us in the teeth again and blame it on us. We know what we need and we will not be pressured into doing something against our interests by pressure from you.
Your strategy is to make it in our interests to submit to your demands by threatening to wreck our economy and way of life if we don't agree. How could you ever think that would work?

We will complain,thanks. Robbing us of our charter flights and using them as a bargaining counter to impose control over our air links is a disgusting gambit and we will complain long and loud if we feel like it. You don't get to tell us what to do, not over this or anything else.

107 Graham

''Most Island residents think only UK'' No, we don't.
''endless gales and cold of the Falklands/Malvinas''......my Argentine troll detector is starting to glow blue......
''But in the Island residents minds “Argies” can't don't and never will ever make a good point, will they!'' Oh dear. Why don't you crawl back under your stone?
120 Frank (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 08:41 am Report abuse
I was thinking the same..... who on earth would want to fly via BA to the pacific and far east? ( esp if Aerolineas was involved..)

Finally sorted the other business

'Your government already has such policies in place..... 'After all, are just dirty *ARGENTINE* squatters!'

there... that feels better
121 shb (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 09:11 am Report abuse
@ Zahida

You are the second Argentinian in 2 days that has made a genuine statement for peace and understanding.

If I keep reading form Argentine posters like you - I'll have to rethink my views on Argentinians!

I agree that we all have bigger problems to deal with. CFK is squandering her time in office by picking a fight with us over something that happened 180+ years ago (not forgeting the 1982 war).

If your country made a genuine effort to become good neighbours - we would all win. Thanks for being a voice of reason.

@ axel - Lets see why the Falklanders don't want to have air links via BA instead of Chile.

Imagine you are on a small island in the middle of the south atlantic.

Now imagine that that a nearby country (lets call it country A) has recently invaded you and maintains it claims on you after being ejected at considerable loss in blood and treasure by the country most of you come from (country B).

You share little culutural or national affiliation at all with country A.

Country A has closed its ports to ships flying your flag, harrasses your shipping at sea and is trying to get a neighbouring country (lets call it C) to stop regular flight to you.

Country A louldy and regularly restates its desire to occupy you and denies you the right to self determination because you are “squatter and usurpers”. Country A also lies about you on the world stage, to the degree where they get regularly caught out by making outrageous statements that get proven to be false.

Would you let county A now control access to the outside world by air?
122 Helber Galarga (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 10:05 am Report abuse
What a wonderful nation with a wonderful track record.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuB3Vd7ygAo
123 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 10:24 am Report abuse
@119 Monty69 I'm not convinced that this is legal eagle himself Prof. Marcel Kohen because his statements are somewhat naïve.

@102 in response to Prof. Kohen's nonsense:

1) Any political scientist will tell you that Argentina currently has a 'Family Dictatorship' or personalistic regime. Look either up in a book, because the next leader, Fat-Nestor is being groomed for the job.
2)Yes, they can travel with British Passports, but if they became independent as per the C24's remit they wouldn't be allowed to travel with Falklands passports. Argentina is clearly not supporting the remit of the C24.
4) The FIG government can discuss things relating to itself, that's just a truism.
5) Matters related to foreign relations are not always the resort of the local government, but of the FCO, who may delegate such things to the local government as part of the 'mature relationship' we have with the BOT.
6) Kohen forgets that the Argentina is in breach, vis-à-vis UK and UN, of pretty much every obligation it has ever signed (1850 Treaty of Friendship, Every agreement after the sovereignty umbrella 1999, UNSCR 502, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera). It's currently trying to breach US domestic anti-boycott laws according to another poster.
7) Any constitutional point is a constitutional point, based upon social values rather than social interest. You cannot negotiate away the americans right to use firearms which is enshrined in the constitution and based upon their own civic values. In the same way, when the argentinians decided to put this into the constitution they made expansionism explicitly one of their social values. This is not something you can negotiate away, and therefore is a demand.
8) No one wants to fly to Buenes Aires and certainly not with Argentinian Plummet Airlines. I'm pretty sure you don't fly with them either.
9) Whatever positives the Argentinians provided to the Islanders, were overwhelmingly destroyed when they invaded the islands, against international
124 The Cestrian (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 11:02 am Report abuse
Looks like the RG's are now pissing off the Indians now:

economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/economy/foreign-trade/argentinas-new-import-norms-impacting-indian-exports-fieo/articleshow/12132311.cms

RG land is happy to export but as usual wants it all their own way and wont take imports, as we know, because the coffers are almost bare.

Surely it cant be long before the money runs out and the country is once more in chaos?
125 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 11:13 am Report abuse
... continued.

against international law.
10) It's just a proposal based upon a relationship containing absolutely no trust. There is no trust because Argentina has a historical precedent of not keeping to anything that it signs, bullying other nations, delinquency in international laws, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Under negotiation studies (I really don't know why you, as a lawyer know absolutely nothing about negotiation, or seemingly, law) Argentina is what we would call a die-hard bargainer. They don't enter into negotiations unless they're going to come out gaining something. In this extreme case, they don't enter into negotiations with anything. Negotiations are based upon trust between the two parties and no one trusts Argentina, except for maybe North Korea or Iran.

Face facts, you cannot arbitrate or negotiate with the likes of Argentina.
126 Steve-32-uk (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 11:22 am Report abuse
Was googling earlier couldn't find the answer, maybe one of you guys will know...
Have Argentina ever apologised to the Falkland Islanders for invading their country?
127 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 11:28 am Report abuse
@126 Never. They did say they regretted it (news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/199460.stm) but they never apologised because they consider that they own falklands, antarctica, all the islands they've never owned and spain.

Even many of the families of war veterans refused to go to Falklands because they would have to show their passport and they consider it their territory.

You have to remember that regardless of the bare-faced lies of Argentinians, the Falklands War was incredibly popular amongst the Argentinians. The huge amount of mullet-wearing machismo that they exhibit prevents them from admitting that they even lost the war, and celebrating failures like the sinking of the Belgrano.

Never expect an apology from an argentinian, just expect lies and hypocrisy. I'm not even convinced they apologised for the genocide of the first nations people.
128 stick up your junta (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 11:33 am Report abuse
@122
Enjoy

Argentina - Missing Generation
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko-DKkKNoPg&feature=related
129 Steve-32-uk (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 11:52 am Report abuse
What would Argentina do with the Falklands Islands and the FI population, if Britain gave them full sovereignty?
130 Helber Galarga (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 11:54 am Report abuse
@ 129 absolutely nothing. Would most likely let them carry on as they have been carrying on up to this day.

Why? What would you think they'd do?
131 Steve-32-uk (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 11:58 am Report abuse
@ 130 So why would Argentina need sovereignty if they wouldn't do anything different?
132 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 12:05 pm Report abuse
Now there's a question.
133 Marcelo Kohen (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 12:17 pm Report abuse
Maybe “Greek Yoghurt” is a concealed “MLA”. He/she pretends to speak on behalf of all the Islanders. By the way, I know some Islanders having come to BA and happy to do it. But some people in the Islands are determined to keep Islanders as far as contacting Argentine people as possible. “Greek Yoghurt” does not read C24 resolutions, in which it calls upon the UK and Argentina to solve the sovereignty dispute through negotiations as a way to put an end the special and particular colonial situation of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas). “Greek Yoghurt” did not read SC R 502, which also requests the parties to seek a diplomatic solution to their differences. “Greek Yoghurt” insists with an irrelevant treaty (1850 Convention on the settlement of the dispute concerning the Rio de La Plata British naval blockade).
@131: good question. With good will, all parties could have what their main interests are. Argentina will be satisfied with the recognition of its sovereignty. The UK with keeping the existing conditions of life in the islands as they are. With a plus: all the problems existing because of the dispute would dissapear. This is the solution I prefer. If not, lets go the ICJ. If the UK you will have what you claim now: Argentine end of its claim. If Argentina wins, then the only thing to negotiate will be the date of the withdrawal of the British administration. Argentine free movement around its territory would be possible, i.e. imagine that the population composition will be substantially modified.
134 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 12:34 pm Report abuse
@131,2 There is a national sense of Chavinism involved here... underlying their values.
1. Machismo dictates that they feel emasculated because they lost the Falklands war. Under South American precedent, UK is entitled to keep what it won.
2. Chavinism/Exceptionalism dictates that their country is fantastic (it's not) and peronism will deliver them to the glorious social-fascist future.
3. Peronism, like Nazism, espouses agressive expansionism.

They're basically stuck in a national pit of cognitive dissonance, unable to get out. So, if they ever got the islands, they would quite likely mismanage it, just like they mismanage all the other areas of Argentina, and it would fall under the spell of post-iberian corruptionism.

@133 Prof. Law, the UK doesn't engage with the C24 because they're widely regarded as being an anachronism and den of iniquity that completely fails to stick to it's true remit, which is to decolonise territories. This is compared to Argentina's insistence that it becomes a tool of neonationalist expansionism and discusses the demanded recreation of colonies under other nations. Lord knows why the UN sponsors this nonsense. End of story.

Even a mediocre solicitor would know that 'Calls upon' isn't a demand. UNSCR 502 'demanded' an immediate withdrawal of all Argentine forces, this is something Argentina failed to do, making it delinquent in the eyes of the UN. End of story.

In 1850 the UK and Argentina agreed we had settled all outstanding differences. End of story.

Now Prof. Law, given that you claim to be a UN lawyer, which part of that are you struggling to understand and I can write it very slooowllly?
135 Braedon (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 12:42 pm Report abuse
@133 Marcelo Kohen

Maybe he like many people feel disgust at the sickening level of cowardice being shown by the past 50 years of argentine governments, in attempting to intimidate, bully and blackmail the islanders in submission, while also noting the sheer level of rank hypocrisy shown by a nation entirely constructed out of land violently stolen from it's native inhabitants and intentionally mass settled with white immigrants.

Also tell me exactly what legal merit the C24 resolutions have when they utterly contradict the UN charter, ICJ precedents, and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights as well as the very GA resolution they were created upon by demanding the islander's wishes be ignored in favor of argentina's nationalist bullying?

Also its rich seeing an argentine malvinist like you complain about using “irrelevant treaties” seeing how many times the Nootka sounds treaty and even Papal bulls are desperately cited to boost argentina's already utterly fallacious and deceitful claim

As for the 1850 treaty, the argentine government stated on an official level it had no dispute or difference with the UK on any matter, which would include the Falklands as you claim argentina was still claiming it at the time. had argentina still claimed the Islands why did it not amend the treaty to say so?

as for taking it to the ICJ, that is argentina's duty as it is argentina which alleges there is an injustice. However, this will end badly, as it will have to somehow convince the court (among many, many other things) that it's own genocidal conquest of what is now argentina is somehow legal and morally legitimate while Britain peacefully enforcing an old claim on uninhabited islands (aside from the settlement which only existed after gaining our permission, and which we allowed to stay) somehow constitutes some “great historic injustice”

Seeing how terrified your governments have been to take the ICJ route, i'm guessing they know full well the outcome
136 Steve-32-uk (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 12:50 pm Report abuse
@ 133 What do you mean by 'i.e. imagine that the population composition will be substantially modified.'?
137 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 12:50 pm Report abuse
@133 Prof. Kohen,

If you're such a great UN Lawyer, maybe you would be best placed to enlighten us as to why the UN sees fit to engage in a policy of colonialisation by allowing the remit of the Special Committee on Decolonisation to go completely beyond it's remit to the discussion of sovereignty disputes and also to the intended colonisation of a self-governing territory against the wishes of the population or peoples that fought to be independent from that country in 1982?

Thanks in advance for your response.
138 Braedon (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 01:00 pm Report abuse
@136

I noticed that as well. Since the islanders own the land, and have their own self government regulating immigration, land use and resource management, it seems he wishes to see this stripped of them with their self determination and their ownership of their homes (as they are unable by argentine law to even name their capital) and then would like to enact whatever measures needed to shift the population to being overwhelmingly argentine.

Most likely (given the previous policy of their 1982 invasion) “encouraging” the islanders to leave by systematically destroying their livelihoods, property rights, and their human status while settling large numbers of argentines in their place

In short, ethnic cleansing, just like what his nation did with so many other peoples who did not fit in with his governments nationalist view of a “pure” argentina.

this wish also seems to be shared by his government, given this officially made propaganda video, showing the islanders near utterly cleansed

www.youtube.com/watch?v=adl3dfiH6ug

its unfortunate such disgusting nationalist dogma still exist in the 21st century
139 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 01:08 pm Report abuse
@136,138 What he's suggesting is like with the chinese and tibet or americans and hawaii. They're not likely to want to lose the territory again and will load the place with Argentinians to effectively change the owners of the land permanently. It's been done in many place, and curiously the opposite is happening in Israel where the Arab-Israelis are beginning to overwhelm the Jewish-Israelis.

He knows the UK won't go to the ICJ on this issue and the UK agreed not look at anything before the early 1970s. So the Argentinians are able to do nothing but try to beg the UK to negotiate when they know they bring absolutely nothing to the negotiation table. The Argentinians are essentially powerless and emasculated on this issue.
140 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 01:16 pm Report abuse
(136) @ Steve.

Sounds like ethnic cleansing to me.

(124) @ The Cestrian

I know it isn’t ALL about the Falkland Islands but what if...............?

NEWS FLASH

Indian Trade Minister violently attacked by his Argentine counterpart.

“It was horrible” said one eye witness. The Indian feller was walking down the road minding his own business when this other feller draped in an Argentine flag approached him and attacked without warning or provocation.

The poor Indian chap went down under a fusillade kicks and punches and then it stopped. Just like that.

The Argentine feller then helped the indian feller to his feet and said the strangest thing.

“We are friends yes?”

The Indian feller, who to be fair, had just been done over hesitated and the Argentine feller attacked again with renewed ferocity.

After this the Argentine bloke helped the Indian bloke up again and repeated his earlier remark.

“I SAID. We are friends yes?”

The Indian bloke replied “Yes”. There was nothing more he could do.

The Argentine bloke spoke again.

“If you support us in our claim over las Malvinas” he said, “We will be happy to trade with India”

“Las Malvinas?” enquired the Indian expecting another attack. It did not happen but the Argentinian bloke rolled his eyes and pulled out a map of the South Atlantic, pointing at a group of islands 300 miles off the coast of Patagonia.

“Oh“ thought the Indian bloke, ”the Falkland Islands”. He had cottoned on now and was wise enough not to say it out loud.

Out loud he did say

“Okay. Can I go on my way now?”

“Only if you agree” growled the Argentinian.

“We agree” said the Indian

“We are friends” announced the Argentinian with an expansive grin.

“Erm. Okay” said the Indian, and limped to the nearest hospital.

Epilogue

Trade between India and Argentina resumed but prices for Indian goods began to rise and Argentina lost it’s surplus.

Argentina claimed another ‘supporter’.

The rest of LATAM looked on in utter bewilderment.

THE END
141 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 01:26 pm Report abuse
@140 LOL This is all beginning to sound like China and Taiwan again... or maybe China and the South Tibet dispute with India.

I'm surprised these soon to be economic powerhouses are letting Argentina bully them.
142 Conqueror (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 01:26 pm Report abuse
@91 When are you going to grow up and stop pretending to be a teacher? Surely not even argieland would be dumb enough to employ a cretin like you to “educate” its children? Let us try to help you. In 1982, you invade a peaceful country. When the UN tells you to quit and leave, you ignore it. Nevertheless, you get beaten fairly and squarely. Attempts are made to build a relationship. You breach virtually every agreement. You stick an “imprescriptible right” in your constitution. Do you KNOW what “imprescriptible” MEANS? Here's a clue. “1.Not subject to prescription: absolute, inalienable.” Subsequently, you have attempted to block all trade between the Islands and the continent. You don't recognise the Islanders right to exist. You harass vessels engaged in legitimate commercial activities. You stir up every country on the continent against the Islanders. You wander around the world lying about the Islanders. And you lie about Britain as well. So don't bother with your “crap”. You have around 100 years' work to do to try to put right everything you've done wrong. And, by the way, there's no question of replacing one Chilean flight with three argie ones. If you negotiate “in good faith” you might get one small argie flight alongside the Chilean one. Provided the argie flight doesn't make the Chilean flight less economic. Even a retarded 10-year old could figure that lot out.
@98 Just some minor points. You “say” the argie dictatorship ended 29 years ago. Doesn't look like it to us. You are a dictatorship. You don't understand. You get to discuss your “proposal” with whoever we say you will discuss it with. The British Government decides who will represent it, not you. The UK isn't in breach of anything. You can't be in breach of something that isn't binding. Sorry? YOUR constitution says your claim to the Islands is “absolute”. You can't “negotiate” an “absolute right”. Seems you don't even know what words mean!
143 Monty69 (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 01:48 pm Report abuse
133 Marcelo Kohen

''But some people in the Islands are determined to keep Islanders as far as contacting Argentine people as possible.''

Who? By what mechanism? Your average Islander wants nothing to do with Argentine people because of the fact that you want to take away our country and you are trying to strangle our economy. I fail to see what part of that you find hard to understand. Surely that's what you want, isn't it? If you wanted a different result you would act differently.

Instead of facing up to the consequences of your actions and policies (ie most islanders hate you) you come up with this cock and bull conspiracy theory.

No-one is stopping islanders from contacting Argentines. You are doing it all by yourselves. And when you stop the Lan flight you will have completed it. We don't want that- you do.

''i.e. imagine that the population composition will be substantially modified.'' eew...another icky Argentine threat of ethnic cleansing. Nice. And you have the barefaced cheek to wonder why we don't like you!
144 STRATEGICUS (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 01:53 pm Report abuse
@ 133 Marcelo Kohen

Are you the only Jewish fascist in the world ?
145 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 02:05 pm Report abuse
Fascism, like racism, is non prejudiced. It affect all people regardless of race, colour, religion, sexuality etc etc. You don’t have to be an Austrian Catholic or an Argentinian to be a Fascist. You just have to be sentient.

Oh dear. I might have thrown a ball up there. I wonder if anybody will notice the opener and bat it back?
146 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 02:06 pm Report abuse
@144 No he's not. The Lehi Group (Google them) were actively involved with Hitler during the 1940s and even discussed having their own battalion fight against the Allies. These people, if we can call them that, were mainly laid to rest in the Israel with full military and state honour and they have their own military decoration called the Lehi Ribbon (www.medals.org.uk/israel/israel015.htm). So ... it's not uncommon.

@138 Does anyone else not worry about the messaging of that advert from CFK's office (www.youtube.com/watch?v=adl3dfiH6ug). As a persuasive piece it's promising argentinians, judging from the technology, a near-future Malvinas where all the locals have been expelled and only Argentines exist, and even the language has been shifted to Spanish.

So the underlying message here is that as a result of CFK's decisions, the Falklands are at some point soon going to be under Argentine rule and their current existence destroyed. Not only is that threatening, it's agressive, antagonistic and the promise of annihilation is very clear, and going to happen soon.

I cannot cope with all this Argentinian 'peace'.
147 hipolyte (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 02:13 pm Report abuse
116 cLOHO (#)

Waht you RE ESTABLISH was your ilegal garrison at port Edmond __

well, you left it because Spain clamed for it and you gave ti to them, so you are not RE ESTABLISHING anything, you are stealing. as you did in Buenos Aires and Montevideo, in that ocassion you were kicked out and burned in oil and boiled water on the hands of the citizens of both cities in 106 and 1807, of course this was a part of spain,,, but after that your country recognized Argentina as a free nation, then you took down our flag from Malvinas in 1833. Will you deny this fact ¨TOO ... ?
148 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 02:16 pm Report abuse
Well let’s just hope it is for Argentine consumption only. The problem is that she will need to do something before the Argentine economy implodes, which could be soon.

Does anybody know what Chavez is doing right now? Do we know where his shiny Russian jets are at the minute? There hasn’t been any recent troop movements has there? I mean, the Argentine forces can’t do much and I don’t think the rest of LATAM is really all that interested. So long as Argentina is obsessing about ‘las Malvinas’ they aren’t obsessing about all of their other territorial claims in the region. But Chavez................? Nutty as a fruit cake, him and KFC both. He is just busting for a fight with a gringo.
149 axel arg (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 02:25 pm Report abuse
THE CESTRIAN. MONTY69. SHB. ISOLDE.
ISOLDE: I understood perfectly your posture, and if i dont answer your comments usally, it's because it's noy usefull to debate with someone who has such a mediocre thought like yours. If you have no capacity to realise that you are not asking correctly neather, that's your problem, victimization will be the only thing you can do, like all the mediocre people.
MONTY69: What's the problem with the connection betwen the islands and buenos aires by aerolineas argentinas?, per haps the open skies policy is good too, but the offer by our government should not be rejected so soon dont you think?, that's why it's necesary that both parts discuss and find a usefull connection that satifies both sides. But as usuall this is evident that you wont recognize that you are not acting correctly neather, as long as you insist on rejecting the resolutions that call the two parts of the conflict to resume the negotiations, this is expectable that we will continue having problems, so, dont complain, and do also a critic of your own behaviour, dont blame only us, like the tipical mediocre people, who only likes to cry and not to recognize their mistakes, what did you expect, flowers?.
SHB: As usuall, you only cry and victimize your side only, and dont make any critic for the behaviour of your country, as long as you dont have any capacity to realise that the hard decitions that our government took, are due to the intransigence of your side, in order to resume the negotiations, like the u. n and mots international comunity signalize, then it's useless to continue debating about this problematic.
THE CESTRAIN: The history will always be submited to omitions, that's why it's necesary to investigate like i did. If the right to self determination is really applicable for this people, that only can be assured by a judgement from the i. c. j. and if both dont take the case to the court, it's because may beboth aren't sure that they can win
150 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 02:26 pm Report abuse
@147 We took the flag down, because it wasn't your property. Neither was South Georgia when you put up a flag in 1905. Neither are the South Sandwich Islands, South Orkneys, et cetera. You cannot just hoist a flag on something and claim it is yours.

@148 Judging from this advert, I wouldn't be surprised if they had decided upon military intervention. It clearly shows that whatever is going to happen is going to happen in the near future, and as such is a direct promise of a threat to the people's of the islands. What's worse, is that her claims of not affecting the people's of the islands is replaced by everyone speaking Spanish, which implies eradication of culture and peoples from the fact that the advert only shows hispanics. This is apparently the 'future of the Falklands', and at last KFC is beginning to show her hand of cards.

You're correct, Chavez is on his way out. The ideal cherry on his cake would be a 'peaceful' with some white people (Argentina is white) and I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't do something very 'peaceful', or something 'peaceful' hadn't been discussed.

It'll be interesting to see what happens next.
151 Wibon (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 02:52 pm Report abuse
Someday UK should apologize to humanity for all robberies and atrocities throughout the world: South africa, Belize, Gibraltar, India, Falkland, Egypt, Pakistan etc etc. For stealing humans in africa to be sold as slaves in the American colony. Despite its present dilapidated remains an aggressor country.
152 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 02:53 pm Report abuse
The thing is though. After all the talk of diplomacy only, the only way she can instigate armed conflict is to engineer it so as to make it look like the British started it. Although I have to accept that on balance, the evidence so far is that they would simply attack and when the British defended Argentina would cry infamy around the world and keep shouting it, because their belief is that if you say it often enough and loud enough is simply becomes true.

I cannot see the rest of LATAM joining in or anybody else for that matter, war is bad for business. They will be happy to see Argentina bust another gut over this, a truly powerful Argentina is a horrific idea to her neighbours.

It doesn’t of course but that does not matter.

I wonder if she has got the Iranians to send some subs or something.

I hope we haven’t missed anything and I hope that if they do use violence that we won’t pull our punches in defence.
153 Conqueror (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 03:01 pm Report abuse
@104 Excuse me? After much research, I have been unable to find any statement in the British constitution setting out Britain's non-prescriptible claim to the Falkland Islands. Why do you feel the need? It's very provocative. And we all know that being provocative is a no-no, don't we? We can put the delirious support of the argie population for the illegal use of force against you. All 40 million of you! Sorry, Argieland hasn't made a proposal/offer. See post #64. Why would you re-name something that doesn't belong to you? Very provocative!
@110 Perhaps you could remind us of the events of 1086 and 1087? Why do you persist with the STUPID argie idea that UNGA resolutions have any force? They are NON-BINDING! For your last paragraph, please explain why argieland and Chile waited until 1942 and 1940 respectively before making claims that overlapped the British Antarctic Territory claimed in 1908? Don't you argies EVER get tired of misrepresenting or lying about history?
@111 4000? You don't have enough aircraft. Especially given the ones that will be shot down for entering the EEZ without authorisation.
@113 Typical authoritarian, dictatorial, tyrannical, overbearing nazis.......sorry, argies. Easy mistake!
@118 Cut your head off and we'll tell you!
@122 Better than yours, half-breed!
@133 C24 “draft” resolutions are irrelevant. Note that. C24 cannot pass resolutions. It can only present “drafts” to the GA. C24 is irrelevant. It's why the UK doesn't attend. For the rest, you must think we're as thick as you are. UNSC 502 did you argie bastards cease fire? No. Did you argie bastards withdraw? No. And you want to criticise the UK for not negotiating? The best day this world will ever see is the day the last argie is annihilated.
@136 He means ethnic cleansing.

Get wise, argies. You couldn't fool a group of 5-year olds playing tiddley-winks. If you had the brains of a field full of turnips you still couldn't outwit people 200 years ahead of you!
154 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 03:07 pm Report abuse
@151 Will all the Slave owning countries be doing the same? Will Spain be apologising (Tried to abolish it in 1500's but slavery finally abolished in 1850s, paid by the English to stop trading)? Will Argentina be apologising too for the slavery of the Afro Argentines (Slavery abolished in 1850s)? Pretty much all the middle eastern countries had slaves, North Africans used to steal people from all around the coasts of europe for sale in slave markets, It's still common in some Arab countries to sell and have neutered slaves from Africa, as it is written in their ideology. What about slavery in China? What about the Indian slave caste? In fact, Ban Ki-moons home country only abolished slavery very very recently. The British were involved in slavery, we bought our slaves from Arabs and often other Africans. It's not something we're happy about and we abolished slaves pretty early on (1569, and Abolition act in 1833).

If you're going to talk about slavery, you need to have a think about what you mean by getting everyone to apologise. It seems the UK actually did a lot to abolish slavery around the world.

Suck that one up.
155 Steve-32-uk (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 03:09 pm Report abuse
I love reading your posts greek ;)
156 STRATEGICUS (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 03:49 pm Report abuse
Just read in Clarin that the Argentine wine industry is going through a bad patch. The main export market is the UK apparently and the effects of any British consumer boycott (which may or may not happen) has not been felt yet.
The Argies certainly have a genius for alienating other people ,not just the Falklanders /British.

I hope the MOD transfers any residual contracts for beef and beef products to Uruguay or Brazil and stops the outdated colonialist policy of making Argentina first port of call for those products.
157 Monty69 (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 03:51 pm Report abuse
149 axel arg

If you are tired of hearing me complain about your ludicrous claims and disgraceful behaviour, and you don't wish to associate with mediocre people such as myself, then I suggest you go somewhere else.
There are plenty of other place full of superior types who think just like you do.

What I expect from you is exactly what you do- illegal, immoral and reprehensible persecution. And that includes the Princess of Peace's bogus and manipulative flights offer. If you can't see what's wrong with swapping our Lan flight for a link to BA then you are mentally deficent.
158 Conqueror (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 04:02 pm Report abuse
@151 Someday Spain, and all its colonies, should apologise to humanity for all robberies and atrocities throughout the world: Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Paraguay, Peru, Uruguay, Venezuela, Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominica, Dominican Republic, Haiti. Atrocities in virtually every territory. Sometimes by “conquistadores”, sometimes by the “Inquisition”. Sometimes by village or town mayors. Sometimes by governors. Sometimes as imperial policy. Sometimes as colonial policy. Sometimes as the policy of newly-independent rebels. Slavery! Something Spain was well into. Part of the judicial system of the Spanish empire was the potential to be sentenced to be a galley slave. Concentration camps! A Spanish “invention” in Cuba. Genocide! The Incas. Destroyed by the Spanish. The Aztecs. Destroyed by the Spanish. The Mayans. Although some survive, largely destroyed by the Spanish. Tribes of southern South America. Although some survive, largely destroyed by the United Provinces.

Your little list would seem to pale into insignificance. The difference, of course, was that you and your forbears wanted to CONQUER and implant. By comparison, Britain wanted to trade. You can't trade with dead people.

It seems that you have a great deal that you should be ashamed of. Why is it that you are not only not ashamed, but that you want to continue in the same vein?

Hypocrites, every one of you!
159 Redcoat (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 04:08 pm Report abuse
To all Argentinians:
Until Argentina changes it's constitution, stops brainwashing their children and accepts they have no rights whatsoever over the Falklands and will NEVER have, all such offers will be considered a poisoned chalice

@151 Wibon“Someday UK should apologize to humanity for all robberies and atrocities throughout the world: South africa, Belize, Gibraltar, India, Falkland, Egypt, Pakistan etc etc. For stealing humans in africa to be sold as slaves in the American colony. Despite its present dilapidated remains an aggressor country”

Argentinian history books must be much worse than anyone can imagine and as for dilapidated, have you taken a good look Argentina lately?
South Africans all got the vote because of British pressure, the indigenous Belizeans were saved from annihilation by the British, unlike elsewhere in central America, 90% of the population in Gibraltar is Italian and they don’t want Spain ruling them (who would), India and Pakistan benefited greatly from British rule whereas Spain wiped out whole populations by working them to death as slaves.

So what has Argentina ever done, except kill off most the original inhabitants and gone Bankrupt?
160 STRATEGICUS (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 04:15 pm Report abuse
During a discussion about building an outdoor oven to bake empanadas, my amiable neighbour, who was a retired Navy captain, informed me of the plan.

I was never quite sure whether he was joking, because he enjoyed joshing me about my piratical and imperialistic antecedents, but only a few days ago I stumbled on a report that confirms the existence of that plan. In a study by the US Marine Corps Command and Staff College entitled “War Since 1945 Seminar, Offensive Air Operations of The Flaklands (sic) War” I read:

“Argentina in fact had developed a plan for an invasion of the Falklands in the late 1960s. This plan was thought to be realistic because of the success of the Indian government’s military invasion of Portuguese Goa in 1961.

India’s operation had taken place without condemnation from other countries leading some Argentines, especially naval officer Jorge Anaya, to believe a similar act, based on territorial integrity, could be carried out in the Falklands. This plan was originally conceived by then Captain Jorge Anaya, who, at the time of the Argentine invasion in 1982, had risen to the rank of admiral and was the ranking officer of the Argentine Navy and a member of the ruling junta.

“The plan was simple. It included in sequential order a surprise landing on the islands, the removal of all of the inhabitants, their transport to Montevideo and their replacement with Argentine settlers. In a naive comparison with the 19th Century, the Argentines reasoned the British had taken similar actions in 1833!

“There is speculation that the ruling Argentine junta, plagued by internal unrest, economic woes including inflation and a threatened labour strike, had planned to activate the plan sometime between July and October 1982. The unexpected sequence of events in March supposedly caused them to take advantage of this opportunity and launch their operation ahead of schedule.

“This idea is denied by General Galtieri, the leader of the junta. He refused to admit a
161 Pirat-Hunter (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 05:01 pm Report abuse
The British illegal aliens refuse to recognize the laws of the country that gives their pirats and parents sanctuary, why not deport them for being anarchists, as the white man does in USA, UK, Canada and Australia simple do to others as they do to you, i wonder how often Mexicans get to tell USA what is expected of USA?????
162 Marcos Alejandro (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 05:04 pm Report abuse
The Telegraph Poll

“Should Britain return the Falkland Islands to Argentina?”

Yes 55.13% (13,068 votes)

No 29.86% (7,079 votes)

Islanders should hold a referendum to decide 15.01% (3,557 votes)
163 so_far (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 05:22 pm Report abuse
#162 Marcos,
There is a hope, educated and prudent people in UK knows that Malvinas belong to Argentina.....inded the whole world knows that.

Common sense will prevail sooner or later ....

The earlier .... will be cheaper for everyone.

#115, Think, thanks for share.

Mr Galloway, a guy with a correct and wise long-term vision... i like this guy
164 Braedon (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 05:32 pm Report abuse
@162 & 163

yes it would not have ANYTHING to do with the multiple argentine websites ordering viewers to vote on the poll

still, i guess given how argentina is still burying itself in self pitying denial over it's humiliating defeat and inability to grow a national spine, such hilariously pathetic actions are to be expected
165 STRATEGICUS (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 05:40 pm Report abuse
@162&163

From my own poll of British & American news websites I would have said the results are more like;

No / Islanders should hold a referendum ;85%

Yes ;15%

George (The Cat) Galloway is totally discredited. Michael Portillo wiped the floor with him on This Week last thursday.
166 Marcos Alejandro (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 05:49 pm Report abuse
I remember SOME Brits in here like Roger Lorton(Lord Ton) from Thailand, Conqueror , Britishbulldog and a few more calling for the desecration of the Argentinean war graves. I say be careful what you wish for, Libians (that you “liberated” in another British war fiasco) like your despicable ideas.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/9121706/Libyan-rebels-desecrate-graves-of-British-war-heroes.html
167 Malvinero1 (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 05:49 pm Report abuse
Strategicus:@ 133 Marcelo Kohen

Are you the only Jewish fascist in the world ?
AHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!! The only nazi are the brits......sure in 1833,they did asked the Argentinian theirs opinions...
Prof Kohen: You are wasting your time,educating unemployed brits hooligans...
Already SA has decided: MALVINAS ARGENTINAS.......Down with the brits stupid imperialist...
PD.Prof Kohen,are you related with Dr Kohen in northern Argentina???
168 STRATEGICUS (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 05:50 pm Report abuse
@ 166

Foxtrot Oscar
169 Kipling (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 06:10 pm Report abuse
People, The telegraph news
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9109397/Argentina-prevents-British-cruise-ships-from-docking.html
170 Malvinero1 (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 06:12 pm Report abuse
I remember SOME Brits in here like Roger Lorton(Lord Ton) from Thailand, Conqueror , Britishbulldog and a few more calling for the desecration of the Argentinean war graves. I say be careful what you wish for, Libians (that you “liberated” in another British war fiasco) like your despicable ideas.
Marcos: The brits are going down.Just the policy they had in Irak,Iran,Libia...now religuos orthodox are beign replaced by the formers....
Just wait until they give back to them.....Argentina has to wait..The brits have pissed too many people in their dark history.....
MalvinasArgentinas!
171 Think (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 06:19 pm Report abuse
Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

I just checked your info Marcos Alejandro……:
The Telegraph poll called: “Should Britain return the Falkland Islands to Argentina? ” at the end of the following article….:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/9111201/Hit-Argentina-where-it-hurts-in-the-wallet.html

Of course I voted YES (as 13,177 other readers did, a staggering 55.31%)
Some 7,087 readers (29.75% ) did vote NO though....

Impressing!!!
On the Telegraph!!!
172 Britishbulldog (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 06:23 pm Report abuse
166 Marcos Alejandro------ I think you will find I once said that we should send your war dead home so they can be mourned each week by their family's going to their graves. Something entirely different from desecrating war graves. It is wonderful to see how an Argentine mind works. We say something and you lot twist it to suit your propaganda, and you wonder why we will never trust you. You’re nothing more than Pariahs of the world.
173 Pirat-Hunter (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 06:26 pm Report abuse
British illegal aliens should be deported. As Mexican In USA are, white people should treat others as they wish people treated them, that is a sacred rule people should remember.
174 briton (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 06:42 pm Report abuse
Any person or country desecrating war graves, or any grave, is a disgrace and should be ashamed of themselves, there is no excuse whatsoever,

Some claimed it was to do with the burning of the Koran, by American troop,
First of, this has nothing to do with us, and either way is no excuse or justification to damage graves,
As this will just encourage retaliation, [would it not]
Let the dead rest in peace, as you will join them sooner or later .
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175 British_Kirchnerist (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 06:45 pm Report abuse
#62 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I think someone has a repressed crush on Cristina =) Otherwise why so obsessed?! And not just you but many many on here. Unless your just sexists who cant bear to be bested by a beautiful powerful woman who in your worldview cannot by definition be up to the job of President.

Its funny really, you attack Argentina over the mere rumor that it may be “close” to Iran, and in this situation solidarity with Iran against a disastrous aggression against it would be the right line to take, yet its obvious they are not the same politically; could the Islamic Republic as currently run produce a woman leader like Cristina? Hopefully one day it will, when the aggression has passed, but all you haters probably deep down agree with the Taliban position on woman leaders
176 stick up your junta (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 06:53 pm Report abuse
What type of nasty backward people Desecrate graves
I know Argie coppers?

Senior officials in the Argentine province of Buenos Aires say they believe two recent attacks on Jewish cemeteries were probably the work of former police officiers.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/despatches/44266.stm
B'nai B'rith Calls for Thorough Investigation of Jewish Cemetery Desecration in Argentina

B’nai B’rith International joins with B'nai B'rith Argentina in condemning the desecration of graves in the Jewish cemetery of La Tablada over the weekend and calling for a thorough investigation of the crime.
In a joint statement, B’nai B’rith said, “The reiteration of the desecration of graves in the Jewish cemetery, without an adequate response from the authorities responsible for security, constitutes an attempt at intimidation and shows contempt for the most basic norms of coexistence and respect for democratic freedoms. We call for a thorough investigation to bring an end to crimes of this kind that are contrary to pluralistic norms.”
177 The Falklands are British (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 07:04 pm Report abuse
173 Pirate
British illegal aliens should be deported. As Mexican In USA are, white people should treat others as they wish people treated them, that is a sacred rule people should remember.

So stop talking about it and do it.
178 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 07:12 pm Report abuse
@175 I don't have a clue what you just wrote about. It didn't seem very interesting either way.

@176 Regardless of these people's ideology, it certainly doesn't look like anything that vaguely resembles 'peaceful'. I'm not one to judge folks, but who on earth goes around kicking graves? It's like cowardice-max where you find someone who really really cannot fight back and then pick on them. Why don't they go around beating up disabled people while they're at it, or go into a hospital and beat up someone in a coma? I'm not sure what deity it is that they worship, but it's not the same as the one I do. Let's just hope the Buddhists are right when they say what goes around comes around.

@173 You should know white people. Argentina is completely white. You did have a brown person come to visit Argentina once, but you pushed them under a train. ARGENTINA IS WHITE!
179 Marcos Alejandro (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 07:21 pm Report abuse
176 stick up your junta
Posting a random criminal act?
You can see some pictures of the British Cemetery in Buenos Aires.

www.maritimequest.com/misc_pages/monuments_memorials/british_cemetery_page_1.htm
180 The Falklands are British (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 07:21 pm Report abuse
178 Greek

That did make me laugh when I read Pirate making reference to white people and how they should behave. I forgot I wasn't on one of the Caribbean news sites that amuse me from time to time. By the way, if you think people use racist and threatening language on Mercopress have a look at some of those Caribbean sites.

All the times I visit Argentina and BA especially, it feels very different from say, Lima or even Santiago. Those places have a reasonable mix of white Europeans and darker-skinned native Americans. The difference in BA is stark. Everyone is white. Even in down in Patagonia where you would expect to see more darker people, there aren't very many on the Argentine side. The Chilean side, yes, there are plenty. There can only really be the one root cause for this situation.
181 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 07:42 pm Report abuse
@179 I cannot see gangs of people kicking over graves and hacking away at a crucifix, so that cannot be a War Cemetery in the Middle East.

Here's some photos of the Argentine war graves in the Falklands: img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2012/02/13/231779-falkland-islands.jpg they no one kicking those either.

@178 That's because ARGENTINA IS WHITE!! they don't like non-white people in Argentina or people who live on the Falklands, unless they're in this advert that details their view of the future (www.youtube.com/watch?v=adl3dfiH6ug). You cannot see any corruption going on there though, so it cannot be Argentina.
182 STRATEGICUS (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 07:46 pm Report abuse
@171
I just looked at La Nacion and most of the Argie bloggers there could not believe the results of the Telegraph poll as being accurate.They thought there has been a fix. I notice lots of Latin type names have posted on the Telegraph
.
The Argies must have got a good system of mobilising Malvinista posters on English speaking websites.
183 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 08:04 pm Report abuse
@182 it's called 'selection bias' and 'experimental bias'. Most newspaper polls suffer from it, where they get anyone who is interested to vote. In this case, the main group who are going to be motivated to vote will be those who have cognitive dissonance between their beliefs and reality. In order to reduce the dissonance they feel voting in a poll will somehow make it reality and the contradiction will be reduced.

Red top newspapers, Stars dancing tv shows, Pop Factor tv shows uses the same process to get people to vote into their premium rate lines.

It's pretty simple, but absolutely unscientific.
184 Redcoat (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 08:05 pm Report abuse
@170 Malvinero1
“Just wait until they give back to them.....Argentina has to wait..The brits have pissed too many people in their dark history”

Of course there are always a few deranged, pus filled, degenerate, hotheads like YOU in each country, but the Libyan Government has profusely apologised and it will (not us) hunt the perpetrators down like the scum they are.

@171 Think
“Of course I voted YES (as 13,177 other readers did, a staggering 55.31%)
Some 7,087 readers (29.75% ) did vote NO though....”

Argentinians are so brainwashed and infantile they no doubt did a lot of the voting (and this will remain so, unless you are ever actually a threat), because normal people have better things to do.

@173 Pirat-Hunter
“British illegal aliens should be deported. As Mexican In USA are, white people should treat others as they wish people treated them, that is a sacred rule people should remember”.

Even someone as mentally retarded as you, should be able to tell the difference between a people being somewhere for 180 years and the one million Mexicans that try to get into the USA every year. No? Well you are officially a moron.


@175 British_Kirchnerist
“I think someone has a repressed crush on Cristina”

Just because you are so obsessed with Kirchner (if she ever looked at this site, she would think you a complete wanker) try not to fantasise so, because in reality the Islanders and myself have nothing but contempt for her.
185 Steve-32-uk (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 08:18 pm Report abuse
@171 The poll was meant to be for British readers, it is now totally void as Argentinians have hijacked it...

But something that confuses me is the wording of the question.
Should Britain return the Falkland Islands to Argentina?

Am I right in thinking that Argentina have ever owned the Falklands at any time in history, Britain has always had sovereignty? so how can they be returned? surely the question should be ...
Should Britain give the Falkland Islands to Argentina?
186 STRATEGICUS (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 08:24 pm Report abuse
All is revealed re the rigged Telegraph poll;
According to one poster on La Nacion the poll means nothing as he was contacted via Twitter and urged to vote yes as he did and so did some of his friends. Another poster could not believe that he could vote on the poll without signing in.

If it had been the Grauniad or Independent the so called poll would have been a bit more believable even though still on the high side.
Having been a Telegraph reader myself and taking part in reader surveys I know that the average Telegraph reader is on the wrong side of 60 and quite likely to have a military background.
Reading the Telegraph article I notice quite a few Carlos,Pablos and Luceros have commented ; all typical British military names.I wonder if there is a geographical analysis of the votes cast.

Typical Argie methods ;they just cant resist fiddling the figures. It is not just INDEC figures they have rigged.
187 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 08:31 pm Report abuse
@186 It's just like described in that old Argentinian song:

O, rig the stats,
O, make them represent whatever we want
O, don't make them represent reality,
O, we'll be furked come the morning.

@185 They never owned the islands. They tried to steal them a few times, but they were never actually in control of the Falklands as either we or the Americans booted them off. There is even less reason for them claiming South Georgia and the other islands, they just added them to their greed-list.
188 Think (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 08:38 pm Report abuse
Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

I just checked again……:
The Telegraph poll : “Should Britain “R E T U R N” the Falkland Islands to Argentina? ” at the end of the following article….:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/9111201/Hit-Argentina-where-it-hurts-in-the-wallet.html

Current Results:
Yes 56.26% (13,778 votes)
No 29.1% (7,127 votes)

Impressing!!!
On the Telegraph!!!
189 Redcoat (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 08:52 pm Report abuse
Discussing anything with the Argentinians on this site is like playing chess with a retard.
We could be the greatest player in the world, but the retard will ignore anything you do, argue about the rules, throw abuse at you and then strut around triumphantly.

An adapted cLOHO joke
190 Frank (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 09:00 pm Report abuse
@188 By thicko's own admission that is a worthless poll as all the malvanistas have jumped on to it.... oh well ... keeps them amused I guess...
191 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 09:05 pm Report abuse
@189, I like it... how about this one:

Q: What's the difference between a Nazi SS officer and an Argentian?
A: The SS officer's girlfriend has reached menarche.
192 Steve-32-uk (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 09:12 pm Report abuse
It would have been interesting to see the real results from the British public, as I'm pretty sure recently more British people like myself have read up on the history of the FI with it been on the news every other day.

With all the fuss, I'd imagined the Britain had killed off the natives or deported thousands of Spanish/Argentinians!
The FI had no natives.
Britain had an earlier settlement than Spain/Argentina.
Wasn't it was an American war ship that removed the small number of Spanish/Argentinians settlers?

So my question...
What have the Falkland Islanders done wrong? Why do Argentinians hate them and call them offensive names?
193 Conqueror (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 09:16 pm Report abuse
@161 & 162 All argies should receive a British benediction. A bullet through the left eye and out the back of the skull.
@170 Wrong. I called for argie rotting corpses to be sent to argieland. And if argieland wouldn't accept the maggot-ridden slime, for it to be tossed overboard. But that was too kind. All argies should receive a high-velocity bullet through a suitable orifice. At speed. And then the cadavers should be kicked out of suitable aircraft. But not over the River Plate. Over Buenos Aires. By the way, you're dead. Just hang on. I'm going to rip your throat out and piss in your mouth.
@173 You're dead, shit face. All it takes is time. Sometime in the next 20 years.
@175 You are close to death!
@179 Bloody death to all argies. Rip their guts out.
@188 Die, fucker!
194 Think (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 09:21 pm Report abuse
What was I saying a couple of weeks ago???.........:

“87 Think Feb 19th, 2012
TWIMC
A recent pool in Argentina has shown that 80% of us think that our government is applying the right policies on the”Malvinas Issue”.
14% are not sure….
6% are opposed….
When is Britain going to make a similar poll?”
en.mercopress.com/2012/02/18/argentina-is-not-a-country-you-d-want-to-be-associated-with-says-falklands-mla

Well………… Seems that the Telegraph just did………..:

“Should Britain R E T U R N the Falkland Islands to Argentina? ”
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/9111201/Hit-Argentina-where-it-hurts-in-the-wallet.html

Latest Results:
Yes: 56.5% (13,928 votes)
No: 28.94% (7,134 votes)

Awesome!!!
On the Telegraph!!!
195 pepegalleta (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 09:22 pm Report abuse
hye conqueror, you talk to much, why don t to try to come to Argentina and do what you want to do, I think you are a mariquita with out guts to do anything, you are just a shitt cobarde ,
again you talk to much but you know
you are a mariquita
196 The Falklands are British (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 09:27 pm Report abuse
by their own admission the Argies have fucked with the pole so we can't take any notice of it. Also, the question was misleading. It gave the impression that the UK had stolen the islands from the Argies in the first place. Also, if the UK government were to pole someone it would be us, the islanders.

So make all you want of it Argies but we're still here, we always will be and you know it.

Bed time for me because I am still in Europe. Travelling again soon. Looking forward to heading back down south.
197 stick up your junta (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 09:31 pm Report abuse
Missed this out you little minx think

Islanders should hold a referendum to decide 14.54% (3,591 votes)
198 Marcos Alejandro (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 09:38 pm Report abuse
195 Las Malvinas son Argentinas
“It gave the impression that the UK had stolen the islands”
No, is saying what really happen.
By the way “Should Britain R E T U R N the Falkland Islands to Argentina? ”
Telegraph UK poll

Yes 56.6% (13,993 votes)
No 28.87% (7,137 votes)
199 The Falklands are British (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
197 Stick

That would have been left out purely by error and nothing else. After all, Think is the one who is monitoring Mercopress and pointing them out for showing bias and not reporting things accurately. He is a totally trustworthy and fair person who can be relied on to only tell it how it is.

Oh, and Sean Penn has studied the Argentina vs. Falklands situation tirelessly for years too. He knows all of the facts inside out.

...and pigs fly.
200 Think (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
TWIMC

I expect this Telegraph poll to be the first of many governmental and private British polls to come about the “Malvinas Issue”.

Soon the real opinion of the 60 million Britons will be publicly available.
And it will not be good news for the Malvinas Squatters………….

But first we need a nice couple of dusters from Borders & Southern...

And then, a nice couple of dusters from Falklands Oil and Gas Limited!
201 stick up your junta (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 09:41 pm Report abuse
From JayDubs
It's an anonymous internet poll. I tried voting just to see if I could (I'm in the US), and it worked without issue. So, it's entirely possible that you have repeat voters or voters who are not from the UK at all. I.e. the 55% that voted yes are not representative of the general population of the UK.

As for your question about American opinion, I think it is a non-issue. I have never, in any conversation with any other American discussed the sovereignty of the Falklands. Beyond knowing there was a war between Argentina and the UK where Argentina got trounced, I have little to no knowledge about the area. Especially in light of the fact that most of the inhabitants are of UK descent (thanks wikipedia), it seems the UK has a perfectly legitimate reason for being there. In any case, I prefer the “self-determination” option. Do the Falklanders want to be part of Argentina or the UK?
202 Redcoat (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 09:41 pm Report abuse
@192 Steve-32-uk
“So my question...
What have the Falkland Islanders done wrong? Why do Argentinians hate them and call them offensive names”

Steve, I was like you, just curious about what the fuss was about when I found this site and you can’t believe what the Argentinians that post on here are like. They totally obsessional, it’s as if it was the only thing in they have to worry about, they have been so brainwashed from birth it boils over in hatred. They threaten the islanders and twist everything to suit their argument and certainly don’t care at all, if they blatantly lie.

Stick around and you see what these nutters they are.
203 The Falklands are British (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 09:42 pm Report abuse
200 Think

As usual you expectations are all screwed up.
204 Steve-32-uk (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 09:47 pm Report abuse
@198 Please explain how Britain stole the Falklands?
I must be missing something
205 Redcoat (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 09:58 pm Report abuse
@191 GreekYoghurt
“The SS officer's girlfriend has reached menarche”

That's a subtle way of putting it.

Is it a full moon or something? the dickheads seem even more manic than usual
206 Malvinero1 (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 09:58 pm Report abuse
@184,red:Of course there are always a few deranged, pus filled, degenerate, hotheads like YOU in each country, but the Libyan Government has profusely apologised and it will (not us) hunt the perpetrators down like the scum they are.
Red,Irak invasion was pushed and orquestrated by Tony blair.He is the one who convinced that mentally weak of bush to come along.They should have listen to the numerous calls,letters,by JPII(The Pope).By enraging those people,that were secular,now nuts orthodox are replacing them.The things are going to get MUCH Worse in the future.uk is not thinking properly.....Just a warning...I am a very intuitive person...It just for your own good....BTW,My chilhood was spent among several british families.......So no hard feeling against them.....
On another note,The Grape queen,in Mendoza was elected(reina de la vendimia),and she look very beautiful!

www.mdzol.com/mdz/nota/364356-wanda-de-las-heras-el-tema-del-aborto-se-tiene-que-debatir-en-todos-los-estratos-sociales/
207 malen (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 10:00 pm Report abuse
what happens steve doesnt teach in your country how to investigate???how to make a research just (look how easy, you have it in front of your nose) looking at the comment replies of argentines done in other articles of Mercopress(MP is a little biased......pay attention to comments). Those are basic questions that have been answered thousands of times. Make the effort.
208 Redcoat (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 10:17 pm Report abuse
@206 Malvinero1
“Red, Iraq invasion was pushed and orquestrated by Tony blair.He is the one who convinced that mentally weak of bush to come along”

I don’t defend Tony Blair for much, but you have got that the wrong way around, Blair is just a manipulated actor, who was controlling him is difficult so say, some think the CIA.

“The things are going to get MUCH Worse in the future.uk is not thinking properly.....Just a warning...I am a very intuitive person...It just for your own good....”

There it is, the good old Argentinian veiled threat, the UK is thinking correctly over the Falklands and if you are so intuitive what do you think I think of you?
209 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 10:24 pm Report abuse
@205 I think it's a full moon or they're all on strike or something. KFC is probably paying them overtime to vote on the telegraph poll.
210 The Cestrian (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 10:35 pm Report abuse
@209

From what i can tell I think the Argentines think that the results of the Telegraph poll will become government policy :-)

They still dont get the message that the UK Government and the FIG wont be giving the RG's anything.

I hear the RG's are planning to demonstrate in Brazil against Prince Harry. I hope they do and that they continue with many more protests around the world. I also hope that they are all captured on TV, just to show how deranged they all are.

Frankly after all the rhetoric it will frustrate and embarrass them further when they get precisely nothing out of it.

Drilling for oil should start soon?
211 Malvinero1 (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 10:36 pm Report abuse
@208,red There it is, the good old Argentinian veiled threat, the UK is thinking correctly over the Falklands and if you are so intuitive what do you think I think of you?
And are you living better,red,as a result of the conflict?Rememeber,in the '80,MAggie,wanted to get rid of MAlvinas...IS it because of the value???I do not think so.You just enraged a pro brit country for nothing.........You have lost,much more than what you think....The brits have some good thinkers......they think otherwise than you people...Did you know that many british descendants,living in Argentina felt betrayed at the brits attitude in 1982?????I know better than you..I live here...
212 Marcos Alejandro (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 10:37 pm Report abuse
204 Steve-32-uk
“Please explain how Britain stole the Falklands?”
Guess.
213 Steve-32-uk (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 10:44 pm Report abuse
@207 @212 I had already read through all the comment including yours and I still cannot see how Britain stole the Falklands when we have always claimed sovereignty. You cannot steal what is already yours.

Is it just me or are some Argentinian websites twisting the historic events of FI?
214 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 10:55 pm Report abuse
@213 The argentinians work on a different year calendar than we do, and their year 0 BF (before falklands) begins in 1833 AD when over a 10 year period they had unilaterally decided the islands were theirs and tried to just squat on the islands. They were of course kicked off. They then claim that the squatting families were kicked off, which is untrue, as proven by ships manifests.

In 1850 they signed the Treaty of Friendship where they informed the British that all existing disagreements, including the Falklands, were over.

Then for 100 years they didn't think about the falklands, until Peron decided he liked hitler's idea of chauvinistic expansionism. Then they tried to invade the islands with everything, including state sponsored international terrorism, until 1982 when they invaded, and we removed them again, with UN approval. They completely ignored UN SCR 502 making them a delinquent to the UN agreements, and the 1850 agreement.

Just like in the Lord of the Rings where they didn't destroy the One Ring, we also let the evil linger... and now they've forgotten they lost the land in a war.

Now they just indocrinate their schoolkids with random nonsense about them owning every island in the South Atlantic, because they just want it and their history books have been retconned to fit this story.

They're basically weak minded imbeciles.
215 Marcos Alejandro (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 11:04 pm Report abuse
213 Steve-32-uk
Some in here write to British historians to change the facts when they consider them to be supporting Argentinean point of view and others like you ask to remove poll result when they don't like the outcome.

Telegraph poll(not The Guardian)
“Should Britain return the Falkland Islands to Argentina?”
Yes 57.11% (14,325 votes)
No 28.5% (7,148 votes)
Islanders should hold a referendum to decide 14.39% (3,608 votes)
216 Steve-32-uk (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 11:05 pm Report abuse
@214 ha ha, thanks Greek.

I didn't know about the 1850 Treaty of Friendship until now. I'm guessing it was not legally binding?
217 Redcoat (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 11:07 pm Report abuse
@211 Malvinero1
You didn't answer my question

“You just enraged a pro brit country for nothing.........You have lost,much more than what you think.”

For nothing? you don't understand the British do you and we can't lose much as you're a bankrupt country.

“Did you know that many british descendants,living in Argentina felt betrayed at the brits attitude in 1982”

With insane Argentinians around do you think they would say anything else?

@213 Steve-32-uk
Is it just me or are some Argentinian websites twisting the historic events of FI?

You getting the idea?
218 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 11:12 pm Report abuse
@213 what's so interesting about a very unscientific poll that british people are unlikely to have voted in?

@216 It's as legally binding as any treaty you sign with the Argentinians. Given that they haven't got a spine between them, they will immediately renege on anything they agree to. Additionally, they spend all their time at the UN banging on about the UK not following non-binding resolutions, when we typically do, and then when the UN has a binding resolution for Argentina, they just completely ignore it.

Basically the best way to deal with any Argentinian is to simply ignore them. That's what anyone who has to interact with them socially or for business will tell you. Cultural trainers usually tell you to limit your interaction with them to 'what is completely necessary' and rarely take them at their word.
219 Marcos Alejandro (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 11:15 pm Report abuse
You getting the idea?

“Falkland Islanders have criticised the Government's official history of the 1982 war, claiming that it contains a series of ”serious“ errors which make it too sympathetic to Argentina's claims to the territory”

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/7331547/Official-British-history-of-the-Falklands-War-is-considered-too-pro-Argentina.html
220 Steve-32-uk (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 11:16 pm Report abuse
@216 Marcos. Its not that I don't like the outcome, we don't know exactly what the outcome would have been, I myself was interested to see.
So I have asked them to void the results of the poll.
It was meant to be for British people but was hijacked by Argentinians.
Therefore the results are worthless and not showing us anything.
221 hipolyte (#) Mar 04th, 2012 - 11:54 pm Report abuse
150 GreekYoghurt (#)
Is this too difficult for you ¡?

1825 UK recognizes Argentina as a county...( you can go to library and see it by your own eyes), it´s territory, all remaining Virreynato del rio de la plata from SPAIN, including Islas Malvinas ( islas Malvinas were a piece of Spain before 1810, something England agreed too with Spain ( that is why you left port Edmond, remember? ) , also agreed with France)

Then you decided to take the islands by force as you decided before to take Buenos Aires twice. ( I do not know the reason of invading a country 14.000 km away... , I hope you can explain why you did that)...

so , my friend. Islands are STOLEN by England, end of story.

All you can add is just a re written History by your side to make the full people to be confused of the only one History.
222 malen (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 12:22 am Report abuse
Dear pupil Steve
Lesson 1 Go to REGIONS and click
LESSON 2 go to Falklands (here you see it is biased) and click
you will find there over 400 articles to read, as we all have done when coming here, read a little because you are asking basic things.
Learn a littler about Vernet, Jewett, etc that we have been there since 1820 (heritated from Spain before) with legal authorities and population and built houses, built a “saladero” a “curtiembre”, even Vernet the governor had a daughter there.........read read a little
223 jayD (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 12:36 am Report abuse
220 Steve-32-uk

As an Ozzie who spend 5 years in Argentina, I can tell you it's pointless arguing with them, they only see one point of view, their own. Their egos are only matched by their nationalism. They have the ugliest flag in the world but they love it and most of them would die for it given the opportunity. They are not normal. Pointless trying to reason with fascists.
224 honoria (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 01:58 am Report abuse
@222 Malen
Vernet was never the Governor of the Falkland Islands. He was a businessman who sought, and was granted, permission from the British Consul to set up a cattle ranching operation in the Falkland Islands. You will note that he sought permission from the British Consul because he knew the Falkland Islands were British. Please hold on to this piece of information and remember it anytime you are tempted to start complaining about 1833 and British pirates.

Vernet was an ambitious fellow as, amongst other things, he seized three American ships engaged in seal hunting. This, by my reckoning, makes him a pirate. Of course it all ended badly for him, courtesy of the American battleship Lexington.
225 hipolyte (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 02:18 am Report abuse
224 honoria, you really have to go to a library.....

if you cannot go, here is a link for you about Vernet, I hope you can use google translator to shift into english.

es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Vernet
226 brit abroad (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 04:49 am Report abuse
The Vernet story has no major impact on the current situation.

The best and most fair way for RGland to acquire the Falklands would be to start establishing attractive trading channels, and increasing the cooperation in all aspects of trade, tourism etc. This will benefit everyone, and will bridge the trust issues of the Falklanders.

This building may take many years, possibly another generation, but if the RG's could start this it would be in the best interests of everyone! and in maybe a further generation, the falklanders and RG's would have better relations than the current ones shared between Britain and the Falklanders. This in turn may result in a transition of interests etc

at present the RG's are just making things complicated, acting greedy, and have no concerns for those on the islands.

not very good diplomacy!
227 Think (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 05:42 am Report abuse
TWIMC

As I mentioned before at my post (200), this little “Telegraph” poll is just the precursor of many more to come……

It will be nice to see the result of professional, independent and unbiased polls taken all over Britain….

It will spell the end of the current situation of “the tail wagging the dog”

Let’s see how the British Government reacts when the results begin to roll in.

Interesting times ahead :-)
228 brit abroad (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 05:53 am Report abuse
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mapa_ARGENTINA_frontera.png

Hmmm, now this map is interesting! so how far away was the seat of Argentina back in 1833?

So your claim over FI was also the same as over patagonia (which resulted in the “Conquista del desierto”)!

Now tell me! what is the difference between RG expansion in the SAmericas, and that of britains?

What real rights do you have? You invaided and exploited also!

Fricking hypo's
229 pepegalleta (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 06:19 am Report abuse
all people in Malvinas need to start thinking in the oil quality, cos if the oil quality sucks all the Uk money invested in the island deffence will be pull out, all Uk wants from the islands is the oil.
if Malvinas are not a good investment Uk will leave and Malvinas can t produce enough money to afford military deffence and then what is going to happen?
Uk will negociate with Argentina, Uk is running out of money to invest in the island with low oil quality. may be will be a good idea to stop talking bullshit about Argentina, if those people in Malvinas wants to be trated with respect, stop the bullshit, after all the value of Malvinas without good oil is 0, plus if something happen like a tzunami all you people will need ARGENTINIAN help.
when you people talk about Argentinian government, don t be unpolite or you will get back an unpolite response.
and for all the people here talking about independence, UN never will be part of such thing, how the hell do you think a dispute land coul be independent?.
Before 83 you was a Kelper with not rights in Uk, that mean second kind of citizen with limited rights, no british,,, t just a Kelper and you blaimed Argentina?
grow up, face the reality, soon Malvinas will be under Argentina administration,
230 brit abroad (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 06:31 am Report abuse
Disputed lands that became independant........israel!!!!!!
231 lsolde (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 06:56 am Report abuse
@229 pepegalleta,
We will never be under Argentine administration, so stop your bullshit now.
Even if there's no oil, the UK needs a base to exploit OUR territory in Antarctica.
We are uniquely place for that.
And of course our navy can control the sea traffic around Cape Horn.
Happy now!
232 Britishbulldog (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 09:41 am Report abuse
229 pepegalleta----- Just a few words of advice. Fuck yourself off with your bullshit. hows that for not being polite to a psychotic buffoon of a broken egotistical country that everyone laughs at behind your backs.
233 ChrisR (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 10:57 am Report abuse
I am a Telegraph subscriber and am trying to use the 'contact us' button on the webpage.

It does not work and the paper returns the equivalent of a 404 message each time 'Falklands' is entered in the search box.

It seems the site is overwhelmed, I wonder why. For a long time now the Telegraph has been going down market, reporting @celebrity' gossip as news, etc.

This degree of incompetence might just be the last straw for many subscribers.

ALL the other polls taken in the Telegraph show overwhelming support for the Falklanders (there are no Malvinas): this is just a screw-up.
234 Redcoat (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 11:07 am Report abuse
@221 hipolyte
“islas Malvinas were a piece of Spain before 1810, something England agreed too with Spain ( that is why you left port Edmond, remember? ) , also agreed with France”

Is too difficult for an indoctrinated idiot like you understand, Spain illegally evicted the British from the Falklands and had to let them back, either your history is full of holes or as I suspect, you just lie.

@222 malen
LESSON 3 learn how the Argentinians swatted on the islands, murdered their own people and anarchy reined, until the British threw the swatters off the islands

@223 jayD
Your expedience is invaluable to the casual readers, Thank you

@225 hipolyte
Wikipedia is often written by the most determined of idiots

@227 Think
As usual you’re not thinking, only dreaming, go back to bed

@229 pepegalleta
“grow up, face the reality, soon Malvinas will be under Argentina administration”

That’s all you lot can do, just dream. When the Falklands are rich and you are even poorer still you might get a few scraps from them, but there again, maybe not
235 hipolyte (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 12:12 pm Report abuse
234 Redcoat
using bad words, when loosing the education for not having a good speech ?

yea Wikipedia is written by stupids , as well as all what is against your personal convenience.

You are good... for nothing.
236 axel arg (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 12:22 pm Report abuse
MONTY69.
Our claim for the islands goes beyond the mediocre thought of some people. On the other hand, if you would think it deeply, may be you'll realise that you shouden't reject so soon the offer of our government. Aerolineas argentinas is a very good airline, it's considered as one the safest airlines in the world, and since our state renationalized it in 2008, we made a huge sacrifice with our taxes, in order to boost that airline, which had been broken twice by spanish private corporations, and since a few monthes ago, we have the most modern fleet of airplanes of all latinoamerica, but the most important is that it's considered like one the safest airlines in the world. Beside, if there is not any serious discution about this proposal, but the spasmodic and pathetic comments of some politicians, then it will be imposible to have a better connection with the islands. And like i always say, you only criticise the hard decitions of our government, and dont recognize that you are not acting correctly neather, it's lamentable really, because that posture doesn't help in order to find a fair solution, may be your problem is that you dont want any fair solution for this dispute. i already explained you and your people about the true posture of our government, and the omitions that your politicians do when they reffer to this conflict, but if you prefer to buy their mediocre and hipocrite view, that's your problem, but it wont avoid that we will keep on having more problems in the future.
237 DJ56 (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 12:25 pm Report abuse
@227

Do you really think that anyone is going to be taken in by the childish tactic of hijacking the DT opinion poll? Do you really think that HMG is quite so stupid? Get real!
238 Ernie4001 (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 12:38 pm Report abuse
Yeah, argentine taxpayer sucking AA it´s one the safest airlines in the world ..... as long as it stays at the ground.
239 J.A. Roberts (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 01:37 pm Report abuse
“Aerolineas argentinas is a very good airline”
Are you being serious Axel or were you trying to be ironic?
The fact that you have had to prop it up with your taxes says it all...
240 ChrisR (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 01:43 pm Report abuse
236 axel arg

You really do fall for the crap that your 'government' tells you!

“we have the most modern fleet of airplanes of all latinoamerica” WRONG!

AVERAGE AGE OF FLAG CARRIER FLEETS

Aeroflot 5.7 years
China Airlines 8.7 years
Indonesia 7 years
Chile 5.8 years
Air France 380 planes, 8 years
IRAN AIR 24.8 years
Venezuela 20 years but is thought to be older!
ARGENTINA 45 planes, 13.6 years
URUGUAY 28 planes, 3 years
Brasil TAM 154 planes, 7.2 years

'Apart from Chavez Airlines' (no flag carrier - it went bankrupt) which is a mongrel of small privately operated lines at 20 years, Argentina is the OLDEST fleet.

AND, little Uruguay has 62% of your fleet size with an average of 3 years (they have just bought NEW planes) Remember the Argie fleet was secondhand when you bought them.

AND, your fleet is so safe they don't even publish the figures, but they are likely to have landing permission for the USA and the UK withdrawn shortly because of concerns about safety.

Even your Russian mates planes are only 5.7 years.

HOWEVER, your IRANIAN chums are at 24.8 years. With all that oil these cnuts can't even afford new planes to burn the JetA in. It must be subsidizing all the terrorists around the world that they spend their money on.

SO IN YOUR WORLD, ARGENTIAN WINS AGAIN!!!

WELL DONE FOR HAVING THE OLDEST PLANES IN LATAM.

Cunning stunts the lot of you. (the Brits will get this).
241 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 02:16 pm Report abuse
@240 A summary of your excellent analysis would be “when in LATAM only use LAN or Pluna” and not fly 3 times a week to Buenes Aires on Aerolingus Belgrano Malvinas Argentinas.
242 Redcoat (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 03:04 pm Report abuse
@235 hipolyte,
“using bad words, when loosing the education for not having a good speech”

I think you must MEAN:
Using offensive terms, when losing the argument is a sign of a poor vocabulary.

But I’m not losing the argument: i.e. Spain illegally evicted the British from the Falklands in 1771 and had to let them back, so either your history is full of holes or as I suspect, you just lie.

And if you believe- “You are good... for nothing” you must mean, I can’t help you at all with you’re colonial ambitions, yes you are right, I can’t.

@236 axel arg
“On the other hand, if you would think it deeply, may be you'll realise that you shouden't reject so soon the offer of our government.”

Until Argentina changes its constitution, stops brainwashing their children and accepts they have no rights whatsoever over the Falklands and will NEVER have, all such offers will be considered a poisoned chalice
Clear enough.
243 pepegalleta (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 04:17 pm Report abuse
Redcoat or REDNECK

If Argentina doesn t drill up the south land is becouse we are not stupid like the people in Malvinas, we have more natural resources that Malvinas and Uk all toghether. You don t care about the feauture of your kids, you think you can f•••up the enviroment just to get oil.
Don t you think you have the Antartida close?
we think, we need to protect the water and the land, not like you that all ready kill 5.000.000 penguins becouse of the fishering
244 axel arg (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 04:50 pm Report abuse
J. A. ROBERT. CHRIS R. REDCOAT.
Your problem is that you are very missinformed, this is evident that you buy so easily the so partial information that you heard in the press.
Didn't you know that we bought 20 embraer airplanes to brasil since 2009?, didn't you know that we could recover many of the destinies that we had lost during the private administrations?. I dont deny that aerolineas has problems yet, in fact, many airlines in the world are in crisis. Beside some ignorants in this country only emphasize the deficit of the airline, and omit that the deficit diminished to the half, but the most important is not the deficit, what matters really, is the social function that aerolineas does, it's the only one airline that keeps united the whole country, including those destinies that are not profitable, the private airlines only want to travel to the turistic sectors, and isolate all the rest of the nation. If we argue only about profitability, per haps the malvinas aren't a profitable destiny, because there isn't so much people who wants to travel there, but what matters only, is the social function of the airline.
On the other hand, accept it or not, it's considered as one of the most safest airlines in the world, in the last 40 years, it didn't have any accident, beside since a few monthes ago, aerolineas has the most modern fleet of airplanes of latinamerica.
Regarding the right to self determination, i already said in diferent oportunities what i think about it, only a judgement of the i. c. j can determine if that right is applicable or not for this cause, however, if none of the two parts proposes to give that step, may be it's due to none of the two nations is sure that it can win the case. Finally, if you think that only our side omits information regarding this cause, that shows what a mediocre tought some of you have, like i always say, we must investigate, instead of buying so easily the partial analysis of the politicians from both sides.
245 hipolyte (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 04:59 pm Report abuse
242 Redcoat you have to go back to library mate... you are just reading on side of the history, the english one... go to spanish ones too ( i'm not telling you the Argies ones... ) go also to the french ones.
you are good for nothing means that your source of information is too poor and limited, I hope your mind is not like that.

Read coat, remember respect and education is mandatory allways on any aspect of your life. I you cannot manage those principals, you should not write again.

sorry if my english is not good, I can also write to you in french, spanish and portuguese. do you manage some of them ??

malvinas on google is
About 170,000,000 results
falklands on google is
About 9,850,000 results, so imagine what is the history you have to study also....

sincerely
Hipolyte.
246 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 05:42 pm Report abuse
@244, 245

The UK has no sovereignty issue about the Falklands. The Argentinians have a sovereignty issue, so they should go to the ICJ with their issue and get a ruling. The UK isn't going to go there, because it doesn't have an issue and doesn't care. That leaves the Argentinians with a choice, to ICJ or not to ICJ.

You Argentinian folks are hilarious. What you're writing just isn't fact. The Aerolingus Belgrano Malvinas Airlines aren't new, they're very very old. No one in their right mind is going to fly with them, and they're running a deficit because no one in the their right mind is going to fly with them. Aerolingus Belgrano Malvinas Airlines also have terrible reviews by passengers.

LAN and PLUNA are both very good operators that have a great deal of experience and much much better reviews. Better stick with them, and they don't fly to Buenes Aires where a european guy recently got stabbed near the Falklands War Memorial there.

More people writing articles about the mythical land of Malvinas doesn't turn it into a reality. I'm sure if you search for middle earth there are lots of hits, but still, it's fantasy.
247 ChrisR (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 05:52 pm Report abuse
244 axel arg

“it's considered as one of the most safest airlines in the world, in the last 40 years” The last incident reported to the FAA was in 1992 - 20 years ago this year - One passenger died of food poisoning. :o)

The figures I arrived at are from the official website and recognised airline watch sites. Regrettably no numbers of aircraft are given on the official website.

I have to revise my number of aircraft owned / leased from 45 to 81. There is no meaningful way of obtaining the age of the fleet given that some aircraft leased are reported as used.

However, Uruguay still has the youngest fleet in LatAm - this small country of 4.5M people versus the 45M of Argentina.#

'Social' reasons for flights are fine as long as your countrymen (and ladies) want to waste USD 2 Million a day doing it. Thats 16.25 USD per man woman and child each year. I would bet that the people living in squalor in the slums that account for 40% of the housing in your country are grattified that they can spend this money so nobly.

REMEMBER, if you can afford to fly this outfit - don't eat the food.
248 kelperabout (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
Thirty Years later and we are almost back to square one. Why would we want to allow the Argentines to offer us three flights a week when we know by acepting this we would loose our link with Chile and further we would be giving them a free ticket to establish themselves here again. It is time this stupid soverignty issue was ended. Argentina keeps on saying Britain stole the islands from them, what a load of utter rubish. Argentina did not even exist when the British first came to the Islands. They were discovered by a British Captain John Davis in 1592.
Further the argument that our Islands are sitting on their continental shelf is also rubbish because the Islands are surrounded by water that you cannot wade accross and if it was possible to drain the water from the sea bed Argentina would then also see that this so called continental shelf encirclses most of South America. Does that mean the Argentines asume they also own all the other neighbours they have. Mind you it does appear to be the case as they are seeming able to put political pressure on all of them except on the Islands.

Kristina Kirchner is no differant to all the prevous leaders of that Country. Because they are unable to keep their own house in order they divert the public anger by attacking another Country. So Mrs Kirchner my advise to you now is give up this stupid claim and start believing in your people and their struggle to survive and stop once and for all the school propoganda you thrust down your childrens necks and maybe one day you will allow the real people of your Country to learn the truth about who we really are on the Falkland Islands.
You are in all honesty a very sick excuse as a leader of your Country and a ruthless carer of your own people. Lets show the world the other person I am sure you would like to be.
249 Redcoat (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
@243 pepegalleta
so you’re having to resort to name calling me REDNECK, I must be getting under your skin
“If Argentina doesn t drill up the south land is becouse we are not stupid like the people in Malvinas, we have more natural resources that Malvinas and Uk all toghether. You don t care about the feauture of your kids, you think you can f•••up the enviroment just to get oil”

You go from one tack to another, you are so funny, yes if Argentina drilled for oil it would probably be splattered all over the place, but Falkland oil is relatively shallow (only 25% of Max) at a depth well within British expertise and they have thousands of rigs operating much deeper without incident.

@244 axel arg
You’re always writing for us to investigate, but your own investigations are only to find what you want to find and not what is to be found. Another thing you do, is to accuse others of what you are most guilty of, e.g. “Your problem is that you are very misinformed”

OK let’s say FOR argument sake you are right and that Aerolineas is considered one of the most safest airlines in the world (it should be with its subsidy), WE DON’T TRUST YOU.
And as we are NOT subjected to indoctrination from birth as you are, nothing of that sort is imprinted in our minds, so we can make our own minds up but we do have an inbuilt response to thugs.

To prove you are brainwashed: you write “if none of the two parts proposes to give that step, maybe it's due to none of the two nations is sure that it can win the case”.

This is the same as if, Britain claimed sovereignty over Argentina because it got evicted in 1807 and although they forgot about it for 100 or so years, a British Peron type came along, who said it was illegal and wrote it into our constitution then kept demanding negotiations over sovereignty ever since, just as stupid.

@245 hipolyte it seems I've hit the word limit, but will post after next reply
250 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
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251 ChrisR (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 09:31 pm Report abuse
245 hipolyte

WRONG AGAIN. I typed Islas Malvinas (even though they do not exist) into Google Uruguay and then did the same for the beautiful Falkland Islands. Just look at the results.

malvinas on google is
About 170,000,000 results GOOGLE URUGUAY 104,000,000

falklands on google is
About 9,850,000 results GOOGLE URUGUAY 274,000,000

Can't you idiots get something right for once, just once, and surprise us all.
252 axel arg (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 09:33 pm Report abuse
GREEK YOGHURT. REDCOAT.
GREEK: Missinformed and ignorant like everyday. Respecting the proposals of arbitration, this evident that you forgat that i told you that betwen 1884 and 1888, argentina suggested to take the question to the arbitration, and the u. k. finally rejected that idea. Beside, in 1947, the u. k. proposed argentina to take the dispute of the dependencies to the court (south georgia and sandwich), but it didn't include the malvinas-falkland islands in the proposal, can you explain me why?. I wont repeat what i think about why both nations dont propose to go to the i. c. j.
Regarding aerolineas, as usuall, you understand just what you want, if i tell you that we have already the 20 embraers that we bought to brasil, which became A A, into the most modern fleet of airplanes since a few monthes, then why do you insist with that argument?, may be you are talking about austral, that's another statal airline, i really dont remember if it's airplains were renewed already, but i will find out. Anyway the fact that some airplanes are old, it doesn't mean that they aren't safe. Regarding the history of the islands, if you still didn't read my investigation, then why do you criticise my search?.
Beside, it's amazing how you mix diferent questions that doesn't have anything to do with what we are talking about, do you think that crimes happen mostly in argentina?. Respecting the deficit, i already told you what i think about it, anyway, a usuall you will always understand just what you want.
REDCOAT: If you didn't read my inevstigation yet, then what do you know about what i found out?. Beside, dont be so ignorant, in 1807 you didn't take possition of our land in the name of the british crown, it was just one more act of piracy like many others. Regarding the subsides of aerolineas, they are necesary to keep it working, it's not useless what we pay, despite the problems that the airline still has.
253 Malvinero1 (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 09:33 pm Report abuse
For nothing? you don't understand the British do you and we can't lose much as you're a bankrupt country.

Red:“Did you know that many british descendants,living in Argentina felt betrayed at the brits attitude in 1982”

With insane Argentinians around do you think they would say anything else
AHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
red: You are finished..
Argentina is booming and uk is Bankrupt!!What an IDIOT!

Jim Rogers VS Gordon Brown, leave UK for Asia and drop the pound

www.youtube.com/watch?v=68w506LH3BE

UK is FINISHED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbLfje8_jgI
Redcoat: I think you are an IDIOT!!!
254 lsolde (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 09:50 pm Report abuse
@250GreekYoghurt,
Love your sketches & pictures.
Did you find señor Think's photo album that he must have lost. lol.
255 pepegalleta (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 09:52 pm Report abuse
Redcoat,
you are right, sorry for the redneck, actually I am not here to isult any body, but a lot people here insuted me too, accept my apologies,
regardind the oil and natural resources uou can t tell me that Uk and Malvinas had more natural R than Argentina, we have more, more oil, more land, more food , more sweet water, etc
there is a study that shows penguin reduction in 5.000.000 becouse of the fishing licences that the islands are given up, next will be an empty ocean, no more fish in south Atlantic, what are you and every body else in the islands are gonna do if the oil is low quality?, plus if the oil is low quality in today economy uk will pass to Argentina the islands, you ll see.
Plus USA is not any more under Reagan rules, Obama want to start a new deal with south America, he is interesting in the natural resources too, that is way US didn t recognise the sovernegty af the islands to Uk.
all south america is the back yard of US, do you really think that US wants to share with Uk natural resources?, be honest? , islanders think that we want to send to Uk all the people, the government will respet all people and the ownership of the land, plus people in the island will grow in business, nobody wants a new war, but can happen if diplomacy doesn t get results, may be not this year but is gonna happen in the future. There is a new world order coming up, Brasil per example is a new player, China, Rusia is now again a powerfull country, uk can t offert any protection against those big boys anymore, USA will never aprobe any agreement between Argentina and China or Rusia, that is way this time is different than the 82, USA will protect at the end of the day the backyard, that is way Chile and Brasil has now F16 and US offert to Argentina same thing. I don t really want a new war do you?

sorry for my english
256 Ragemar (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 11:00 pm Report abuse
@255

Dream on. The US support you over us? Even with Obama in the WH, they know the true, and often hidden level of British investment in the US. We share common ideologies and have fought almost every war except Vietnam together. The US won't fight for us, but we don't need it. They will tut and say how regrettable it is in public, whilst secretly helping us with sat technology and refuelling planes. China has more trade interests with the UK than Argentina and frankly won't give a monkeys, but sit back and watch the entertainment. Same with Russia. As for having F16s....? The Eurofighter can take down a F16. Do we want war? :) As an infantryman, I love to soldier.
257 Redcoat (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 11:05 pm Report abuse
@245 hipolyte
“you are good for nothing means that your source of information is too poor and limited, I hope your mind is not like that”

Just because it doesn’t fit in with your brainwashing, the fact remains, Spain illegally evicted the British from the Falklands and had to let them back there.

“I can also write to you in french, spanish and portuguese. do you manage some of them”

I hope you are better at those than you are at English, I suggest you stick to just one, so you can converse competently in it

@253 Malvinero1
“Argentina is booming and uk is Bankrupt!!What an IDIOT!”

You poor sole, all you can do is blatantly lie!

@255 pepegalleta
You have a lot of false hopes and as you owe the USA over 40 billion dollars, they won’t be selling you anything.

“we have more, more oil, more land, more food , more sweet water, etc”

You have more drought than us, more useless land than us and if you have so much oil why are you so poor?

OK invite China and Russia in and see what happens, they both hate neo Nazis and they would only be interested in dominating you (e.g. Burma is in trouble with China and all the former soviet states have problems with Russia), so best of luck with that.

“if the oil is low quality in today economy UK will pass to Argentina the islands, you’ ll see”

All oil sells and so far, it’s very promising, the Islands will never be Argentinian because the Islanders hate you and we will always support them as long as they want us to.

So stop dreaming
p.s. apologies accepted
258 briton (#) Mar 05th, 2012 - 11:14 pm Report abuse
US didn’t t recognise the sovereignty af the islands to Uk.
all south America is the back yard of US

1, nice to know, you know who your boss it then.

2. does that mean Spain , southern Europe and north Africa, is in Britain’s back yard, [a very big yard is it not] [we keep the compost at the bottom of our yard,
Does that mean Argentina is the compost in the Americans yard .

3, if you think the USA would defend Argentina against the UK ,
Would you like to prove that point.

4, or if you consider them your best mates,,, then why not offer to send troops ships and planes to fight along side the Americans in Iran, soon,
5, fact is,
CFK is your boss, you want her, you suffer with her,
The only real thing in your back yard is rubbish,.
And the Americans, would rather support the taliban, rather that trust you guys fighting next to them,
Please stay at home, its safer .lol.

.
259 pepegalleta (#) Mar 06th, 2012 - 01:59 am Report abuse
Briton, just see who are buying the land in Argentina, US and CHINA, is very sad but CFK and Nestor made all kind of business leting the governors offert the land to a external investors, I am talking about where all kind of natural resources are, Water, Metals and more, mostly La Patagonia and in La Pampa too, I am talking about a lot of Land. Do you think in the future any of this investors that are politicians in US or the state and China government will let UK eat along yhe cake, is a matter of time that UK will be obligate to share natural resources or will lose everething and to return the islands. Actually US offered to Argentina F-16 , like Chile and more like Brasil too, Argentina is building with Brasil 5 atomic subs and very soon you will see a regional army, Brasil all ready proposed to Mercosur and associates countrys, plus a lot more countries.
On top of this, there is a new actor too, yhe 4 batallon from US in charge to integrate America del Sur and patrol all AMERICA TAKEN CARE ABOUT NATURAL RESOURCES, ask Colombia snd Peru, Chile, Brasil and the plan is to build mire in TIERRA DEL FUEGO, Patagonia and more points in Argentina, do you know who is in charge of the training of the Special Forces in Argentina,?, let me answer you, US.
Is a matter of time but the sovereingty will be for Argentina, just gice some time to this game, is on the constitution, it is a state claim, it doesn t matter the government.
will see, just wait.
Have a good night
260 brit abroad (#) Mar 06th, 2012 - 02:53 am Report abuse
@ 245 hipolyte ....you are an absolute monkey!

try doing the same for
Islas malvinas &
Falkland Islands

then you will see that your figures get turned on their head....you clearly dont know how search engines work!!!!!!
261 Beavis (#) Mar 06th, 2012 - 04:13 am Report abuse
68 Anti-fascist, where did that little fantasy of yours appear from.
I see why you're called anti-fascist now, didnt like ...boys... like you did they?
262 brit abroad (#) Mar 06th, 2012 - 04:31 am Report abuse
Beavis in a previous post you said “nicely played KFC”

Sarcasm, i trust!

“Nevertheless Mercosur diplomats in private have admitted surprise at the latest announcements by President Cristina Fernandez to the Argentine Congress. In effect only last September the president said before the UN General Assembly that Argentina was seriously considering not allowing the only air contact with the Falklands through Argentine space. However now she is proposing three flights a week from Buenos Aires”
263 Malvinero1 (#) Mar 06th, 2012 - 04:58 am Report abuse
253 Malvinero1
“Argentina is booming and uk is Bankrupt!!What an IDIOT!”

You poor sole, all you can do is blatantly lie!

AHAHHAHAHHAAHH! Red,In Argentina to get an Electrician you to wait 1 month.....
This is the bomb you will get in the uk
www.debtbombshell.com/
264 brit abroad (#) Mar 06th, 2012 - 05:09 am Report abuse
On the funny cigerettes again malv?
265 Redcoat (#) Mar 06th, 2012 - 12:19 pm Report abuse
@252 axel arg
“If you didn't read my inevstigation yet, then what do you know about what i found out?. Beside, dont be so ignorant, in 1807 you didn't take possition of our land in the name of the british crown, it was just one more act of piracy like many others. Regarding the subsides of aerolineas, they are necesary to keep it working, it's not useless what we pay, despite the problems that the airline still has.”

I know because I know how brainwashed and bigoted your thinking is and you can’t make a simple comparison, the Argentinians made an illegal landing on the Falklands and got evicted, the British landed in Argentina in 1807 and got evicted, simple, but the brainwashing you received from nursery school doesn’t allow you to see it
Aerolineas needs subsides (that other airlines don’t get) because they are inefficient.

@259 pepegalleta
“I am talking about where all kind of natural resources are, Water, Metals and more”

So the US and CHINA are going rob you blind, and you can’t do anything about it.

“do you know who is in charge of the training of the Special Forces in Argentina,?, let me answer you, US.”

Yes to make sure you remain powerless, it’s the oldest trick in the book.

“Is a matter of time but the sovereingty will be for Argentina, just gice some time to this game, is on the constitution, it is a state claim, it doesn t matter the government. will see, just wait.”

No, we will see you getting old with frustration and never ever getting your implanted wish

@263 Malvinero1
“Red,In Argentina to get an Electrician you to wait 1 month....This is the bomb you will get in the uk”

Yes we have debt, but unlike you we can pay it back and remain in control of our own destiny. To prove it, we have loaned money to others at a good interest rate.
You on the other hand are the poor desperate man at the table and will have to settle for being controlled by others.
266 axel arg (#) Mar 06th, 2012 - 01:17 pm Report abuse
REDCOAT.
I insist, if you still didn't read my investigation, you can't say anything about it, you are just prejudging like the tipical mediocre people who think that they are always right. In my survey, i took into account the british arguments too, and tell the rights of both over the islands in 1833.
Regarding aerolineas, this is evident that we have a diferent opinion about the work of the state, beside, per haps you didn't know that most airlines receive subsides because many of them are in crisis, we still have problems with aerolineas, because it had been broken twice by spanish private corporations, but i already told you all that we could recover since the state renationalized the entreprize, anyway, you can keep on understanding just what you want like all the mediocre people, who have partial information and prejugje, like you do.
267 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 06th, 2012 - 02:47 pm Report abuse
'KFC' and 'kind gesture' are contradictions in terms
268 Redcoat (#) Mar 06th, 2012 - 03:31 pm Report abuse
@266 axel arg

And I insist, the case you put forward shows you are NOT impartial, that means you cannot be objective. I wasn’t indoctrinated at nursery school, as you were. Also if you mean by mediocre, that I am balanced, sensible, not SO passionate I can’t see reason, then I suppose I am.

I couldn’t care less about Aerolineas, or how much you subsidise it by, but you are obviously a socialist to think, re-nationalising it, is the answer to an inefficient airline. It never works and it will always be a burden on the country.
Remember, pride comes before a fall.
269 pepegalleta (#) Mar 06th, 2012 - 03:57 pm Report abuse
Hey REDCOAT
All US Airlines are alnost in chapter 11. Do you read about the financial status of the world airlines corporations?, do you know how much money US government give up to those corporations just to help and keep the corporations working?
Do you have any information about if British Airlines produce any profits or if the state help with money?
I don t really think you read anything, sorry but you talk becouse is free
270 Redcoat (#) Mar 06th, 2012 - 04:52 pm Report abuse
@269 pepegalleta
What will ultimately happen in the US, is several airlines will go bust and the rest will survive and as far as I know all British airlines are profitable, BMI wasn’t and it was taken over by British Airways recently

“I don t really think you read anything, sorry but you talk becouse is free”
The fact you have written that, shows you don’t think and only take in what you want to take in and no more.
271 pepegalleta (#) Mar 06th, 2012 - 07:16 pm Report abuse
Redcoat, you live in your small world, that is way you don t know a sh,,,t about real world.
272 briton (#) Mar 06th, 2012 - 08:43 pm Report abuse
[estamos Borg, la resistencia es inútil. ]
259 pepegalleta
You confused [no]
USA and CHINA buy your land, not ours, they run your land not ours,
Share resources, [again no]
Argentina has much resources, does she not, , just ripe for picking, , while you concentrate on the Falklands, the USA and china, buy up Argentina ??

Aeroplanes, first of the fact is, you do not have any planes and ships or submarines, and by the time you ever do,, the brits will be decades ahead, so you will be back to square one, would you not,
You cannot threaten with what you don’t have, us less Argentina is talking about a computer game,
As for special forces,
The UsA will not give you any advantages that may or may not backfire on them,
As for waiting, you can wait all you want, but the fact is, in your lifetime they will remain British, after your dead, it does not really matter does it .?/
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273 pepegalleta (#) Mar 06th, 2012 - 09:01 pm Report abuse
To Briton

Will see what happen, now Argentina has a lot of options, China will be more than happy to help Argentina, plus we will make all UK corporations suffer in south America, actually there is new protectionist rules in south america, that neans soon UK will beg Mercosur to let the corporations work in south america, we don t need to start a war, we just need to make the UK corporations suffer, Brasil will be the next one to kick out all uk corporations, plus the oil in the islands will be the more expensive oil on the world if Argentina doesn t let Uk vessels dock in ower ports.

Be happy if you can
274 lsolde (#) Mar 06th, 2012 - 09:47 pm Report abuse
@273 pepegalleta,
But you wouldn't carry out these threats, pepe.
You all keep telling us that you're “peaceful” people! lol
275 briton (#) Mar 06th, 2012 - 10:10 pm Report abuse
let the peace begin,
and the blockers block,
and the fools will follow.
276 Captain Fantastic (#) Mar 07th, 2012 - 10:19 am Report abuse
Someone should shout cristina a DVD of the Last Night at the Proms. It may give her? an idea of just what she? is messing with.
277 Redcoat (#) Mar 07th, 2012 - 12:06 pm Report abuse
@271 pepegalleta
“Redcoat, you live in your small world, that is way you don t know a sh,,,t about real world”

Well I don't know much about shanty town squalor if that is what you mean by ’the real world’ I’ll leave that to you.

@273 pepegalleta
“Will see what happen, now Argentina has a lot of options, China will be more than happy to help Argentina, plus we will make all UK corporations suffer in south America, actually there is new protectionist rules in south america, that neans soon UK will beg Mercosur to let the corporations work in south america, we don t need to start a war, we just need to make the UK corporations suffer, Brasil will be the next one to kick out all uk corporations,”

Argentina has very few options, none good, it could sell the country to the Chinese, you could stop buying British goods and buy inferior products instead, or you could prostitute yourselves to Brazil in order to get their flatulent support. So all in all, not many options is it?

“plus the oil in the islands will be the more expensive oil on the world if Argentina doesn' t let Uk vessels dock in ower ports”

Don’t you think we have that one covered? The wellheads will terminate at a single rig that will load directly onto ships, cutting out the middle man, which could have been you, but you haven’t got the brains.
278 briton (#) Mar 07th, 2012 - 11:35 pm Report abuse
you are on your own,
thats it,
279 lsolde (#) Mar 08th, 2012 - 06:16 am Report abuse
Nestor's fault.
How many of you supported him?
Do you regret it now?
Think of the industries & jobs that you could have had.
Toughski.
280 jbroks86 (#) Mar 08th, 2012 - 07:14 am Report abuse
#2. To do so NATO would have re-establish to protect NATO possessions below the Tropic of Cancer. Includes French Guiana(head of Guiana Space Centre), Guadeloupe, Martinique, Réunion, Mayotte, though not sure of French Polynesia.
281 British_Kirchnerist (#) Mar 08th, 2012 - 12:01 pm Report abuse
#184 Its interesting you seem to want at least one thing in common with Cristina, ie thinking me a wanker; while I really don't think she'd have time to waste on this troll pit, I imagine she or indeed almost anyone else reading our debates might think several others on here better fit that description. I'm not, actually, obsessed with her, and came on here to debate politics; but if my language of late has become increasingly florrid and fulsome in defence of Cristina personally, thats mainly to counter the insane hate of the extreme right-wingers on here, people who for example were fantasizing about her doctors cutting her throat in the cancer operation, and Conqueror in particular who keeps posting hate-porn whenever she meets a male public figure. And if its not strictly political to point out that she is, actually, very beautiful, at least it drives the BNP types mad, and thats politically satisfying to me =)
282 axel arg (#) Mar 08th, 2012 - 12:19 pm Report abuse
REDCOAT.
Of course i am not objetive, i have never been objetive, and i wont never be that. I dont believe in objetivity, everybody takes a side in all the issues and they have right to deffend their ideas, but it doesn't mean that we have to tell just the have of the question. I always take a side in all the issues, but i tell everything, not just the half, like the mediocre and hipocrite giornalists or politicians, objetivity doesn't exist, noone is objetive, are you being objetive?, of couse not, objetivity is used by the hipocrites who dont want to express their true posture, but the truth is that nobody is objetive.
Beside, if i'm telling you that i tell about the rights of both nations over the islands in 1833, in my work, it means that i am not brainwashed, if i were brainwashed, i would have never made any exhaustive investigation, and i would buy just the propaganda of my country, like many of you do.
Regarding aerolineas, i conffirm that we have diferent opinions about the function of the state, i respect you thought but i dont agree on it in absolut, there is some thing that we must understand once and for all, no matter of leftist or conservative we are, private corporations wont never do enough inverstments in the enterprizes that they could get after the privatizations, because making enough invertsments is not profitable for their economic interests, and i understand them, that's why it's absolutly necesary the intervention of the state, some enterprizes shouldn't have never been sold to private companies, most them finished in the broke, which was expectable, and finally the state recovered them, and now they work much better.
283 Redcoat (#) Mar 08th, 2012 - 01:04 pm Report abuse
@281 British_Kirchnerist
I agree that some do get too wound up and the more unsupportive, unrealistic dreaming you write about the worse they seem to get.
p.s I actually like most Scots

@282 axel arg
Well we agree on something, to think about something and take sides because fudging doesn't work.
I have worked for both private and public companies and both have in-built problems: public is always full of corruption, vulnerable the greedy unions and inefficient. Whereas private is just bottom line orientated, therefore has a tendency to screw people down.

I have also looked into the history of the Falklands, so I have my conclusions, but if Argentina hadn't been so stupid, there could have been some form of accommodation, but NO your greedy uncooperative instincts has now made that completely impossible
284 axel arg (#) Mar 08th, 2012 - 04:01 pm Report abuse
REDCOAT.
Public and private companies, both can be corrupt, inefficient, or good, but the diference betwen both is that private companies wont never do enough inverstments in the enterprizes that they got during the privatizations times, that's why many of the enterprizes that were sold, finished in the broke finally. Regarding the conflict, i dont deny that may be our government commited a mistake when it recalled the agreements that it had signed during the 90's with the u. k., but at the same time, some day you will have to recognize that you are not acting correctly neather, excluding the decade of the 90's when the umbrella policy was stablished, after that decade, you have always rejected sistematicly all the resolutions that call the two parts fo the conflict to resume the negotiations, so, it's obvious that as long as your side insist with the same posture, we will keep on having problems in the future. Beside, many lies are published in the media respecting the posture of argentina, i explained it in planty of oportunities here, but this is evident that noone wants to understand it, some times i think that living comments here is a waste of time.
285 DerekM (#) Mar 08th, 2012 - 04:04 pm Report abuse
Take it easy. Maybe the following will help, it's a 100% argentinian joke.


A rural teacher explains that she is Kirchnerista, and then asked to lift hand is also a follower of Kirchnerism.
Everyone in class, raise their hands saying Kirchner, except a girl who was sitting at the back of the room.
The teacher looked surprised and asked:
-Suzie, why do not you raised your hand?
-Because I'm not Kirchnerista, Miss.
The teacher, puzzled, asked:
-Wow, and if you're not Kirchnerista, then whom do you sympathize?
-With the Peronists of Peron (the girl said proudly.)
The teacher, whose ears could not believe something like this, said:
- Suzie, my daughter? Do not you see that these were left in 45? What sin have you committed for being Peronist of Peron?!
The girl, very quiet, said:
- My mother is Peronist of Peron, my father is Peronist of Peron, and my brother is also a Peronist of Peron ..
- So I am also Peronist of Peron! (added the small one, proud and satisfied.)
- Well, ' replied the teacher, irritated, but that is no reason to be Peronist of Peron. You you do not have to be what are your parents ... for example, if your mother was a prostitute and drug addict, thief and corrupt your father and your brother vague, alcoholic and drug dealer, then you you'd be?
- Surely Kirchnerista, Miss.
286 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 08th, 2012 - 05:06 pm Report abuse
@285 (i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/166/464/tumblr_lozdsb0bKx1qbnd1c.gif)

It translates into English very well.
287 Redcoat (#) Mar 08th, 2012 - 07:25 pm Report abuse
@284 axel arg
“Public and private companies, both can be corrupt, inefficient, or good”

In Britain and in a competitive environment, a private company is less likely to be corrupt or inefficient – it wouldn’t survive – Fact

“you have always rejected sistematicly all the resolutions that call the two parts fo the conflict to resume the negotiations, so, it's obvious that as long as your side insist with the same posture”

Of course we reject the need for negotiations and any independent calls for talks is just to shut you up, because you are so fanatical and cannot be reasoned with.
288 pepegalleta (#) Mar 08th, 2012 - 08:58 pm Report abuse
Redcoat
I understood your pasition and the UK, but nobody understand Argentina position about this issue, that is why Argentina asked the UN to be in the midle of this negociation, UK rejected any negociation, is like Israel and Palestina issue, UN asked both states to sit down and discuss about the issue.
why UN exist?
289 Redcoat (#) Mar 08th, 2012 - 09:48 pm Report abuse
@288 pepegalleta

We understand Argentina's position on this issue, you are brainwashed as a child and no one in there right mind will negotiate with a would be thief.
The UN always tries to play middleman even if one side is after the other side's land that they have had for well over 100 years
290 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 08th, 2012 - 10:36 pm Report abuse
@284 Which part of we had negotiations on fishing and oil and Thin Nestor Sr. didn't like the fact no one was discussing what he wanted to discuss and so going against the UN resolutions, he left negotiations.

It's not the UK that needs to worry about the UN resolutions being ignored, because it's the Argentinians doing the ignoring.

@288 We were involved in negotiations, but Thin Nestor Sr. walked out. We were even discussing sovereignty but then you decided to invade the islands against international law and then you refused to leave the islands disobeying the UN SCR 502 which was binding.

Can you explain why you think the UK should follow non-binding resolutions when Argentina ignores binding UN resolutiongs? What gives Argentina the right?

Thanks in advance for your response.
291 pepegalleta (#) Mar 08th, 2012 - 11:42 pm Report abuse
290 It wasn t the Argentinian people who start the war, the militar junta did it, we in Atgentina never liked any war, actually people who build Argentina was people from Europa and left to Argentina becouse of the war, my grant parents come to Argentina becouse of the war, plus we are jewish, nazis killed part of my family.
292 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 09th, 2012 - 09:33 am Report abuse
@291 Are you an imbecile? The singular purpose of the Falklands War was to bring the people together behind populist expansionism, the key dream of Argentinians that is even today enshrined in your constitution. Do you know what populist means? Do you know what expansionism is? Do you know what a constitution is?

The military junta were Argentinians. What you're doing is trying to absolve your country of any guilt from causing a war by compartmentalising it into a group of people over which, with hindsight, you claim didn't represent you. It didn't work for the Germans, it didn't work for the Italians, it didn't work for the Japanese and it doesn't work for the Argentinians. The blame for the Falklands war lies squarely on the lap of the Argentinian people and the fact you never apologised for it is quite frankly, disgusting.

The fact you're jewish should tell you exactly what the British people think of Authoritarian Nationalist Socialist (Nazi) governments, like the one Kichnerism espouses.

“Atgentina{sic} never liked any war”, what utter utter lies flow out of your mouth. You people are brain-furked imbeciles and that's a FACT.
293 lsolde (#) Mar 09th, 2012 - 11:20 am Report abuse
@291pepegalleta,
What about the cheering crowds on the Plaza de Mayo when Galtieri announced the successful invasion in April 1982.
You, Argentines supported the invasion close to 100%
“oh no, lt wasn't us, it was the junta” *a who me? wide eyed look of innocence*
Lying scumbags.
And you'd do it all again, if you could.
294 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 09th, 2012 - 11:43 am Report abuse
@293 They're brainwashed to believe that no one supported the War, whereas here in reality we all know they lined the streets cheering at the thought of taking the Falklands by force. They say that recovering the Falklands has always been a national policy, and not aligned with the political movement of the day. They they completely contradict themselves by saying the (very popular) War was as a result of the politicians of the day.

Urm.. could you Argentinians please contradict yourselves more please?
295 pepegalleta (#) Mar 09th, 2012 - 04:03 pm Report abuse
292 Greekyoughurt if you tell me invecil to me you are a moth.. fu,,, r
I was 12 years old at the time of the war, do ylu think a 12 years old understand a war?, are tou stupid or what?
296 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 09th, 2012 - 04:19 pm Report abuse
@295 Not every Argentinian was 12 years old at the time of the war. Most of the millions of people dancing in the streets in support the war were older than 12. The state policy was being acted out, and the falklands were invaded, by popular demand.

The junta were just doing what was popular. So they're not really to blame for the war at all. Argentina and Argentinians are, but have they apologised?
297 shb (#) Mar 09th, 2012 - 05:48 pm Report abuse
@British_Kirchnerist

Hatred. I have to admit I hate Ms Kirchner and her policies because all she is doing is causing problems for everyone. We could all do without them. I personally find her attitude rude, aggressive and unstatesmen/woman like. The policies towards us seem mercurial and capricious, they give the impression of not being thought through. I can point to the LAN flights being threatened and the Tourist ships debacle.

I bet you hate Thatcher (a lot of people do, espescially on the left of politics).

If she went away and did something else I would'nt care less about her.

This woman is leading her country not only into a pointless confrontaion with us but is also cooking the Argentine economies books.

Something will give sooner or later and it won't be pretty for the average Argentine when it does. She won't care, she's Ok, she's rich. The populsit policies she promotes will only last as long as the money (or illusion of it) does.
298 pepegalleta (#) Mar 09th, 2012 - 06:11 pm Report abuse
Greekyoughurt I am talking about me not the rest of the Arrgentinian people
299 ChrisR (#) Mar 09th, 2012 - 07:52 pm Report abuse
295 pepegalleta

It seems to me from the immaturity of your posts that are still 12 years old.

Please grow up or go onto a blogsite for children, you will be more at home there. :o)
300 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 09th, 2012 - 08:17 pm Report abuse
@298 Regardless of what age you were, the invasion of the Falklands had widespread public support, and so blaming it on the Military Junta is a specious argument. The fact is, the Argentinians wanted to invade the islands, and should stop pretending they didn't.
301 pepegalleta (#) Mar 09th, 2012 - 09:45 pm Report abuse
greekyoughurt what makes you an expert about what think Argentinians, can you explain that to me?

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