Saturday, March 10th 2012 - 05:26 UTC

South Georgia Marine Protected Area covers over one million sq kilometres

One of the worlds largest Marine Protected Areas (MPA) has been created around South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands, waters that are amongst the most productive in the Southern Ocean. The SGSSI MPA, which was declared on February 27th, covers more than 1 million km². The report is from the South Georgia Newsletter, February edition.

Maps showing the extent of the new MPA around South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands

David Attenborough, who recently presented the BBC’s Frozen Planet series, said he was “delighted” and that the marine reserve was “...timely given the dramatic change that the Polar Regions are currently undergoing” and will “help protect the unique and precious wildlife of South Georgia and Antarctica.”

All commercial bottom trawling is banned from the area, which will protect the benthos on the seafloor. Long-lining will be allowed, but only at depths of more than 700m, and will only affect a small area of the MPA and is only allowed under very strict regulation. There are also already three Restricted Impact Areas, occupying 3563km², in which long-lining is not normally allowed. They were established to protect vulnerable benthic fauna, protect juvenile toothfish and provide a refuge for large toothfish.

Commissioner Nigel Haywood, who signed the legislation said, “The waters around South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands are among the most productive in the Southern Ocean, with very high biodiversity. We remain committed to the highest standards of environmental management in this unique and globally important UK Overseas Territory. Whilst today’s MPA announcement represents a hugely significant step in our management of South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands, we will not rest on our laurels and will continually strive to improve our already excellent management of the Territory.”

UK Foreign Office Minister Henry Bellingham welcomed the declaration, saying the instatement of the MPA, “demonstrates the UK’s effective environmental stewardship of this unique and remote part of the world.” and that it demonstrates the UK's “ongoing commitment to marine conservation and protection of the globally important biodiversity of our Overseas Territories.”

The MPA includes 'no-take zones' for the first 12 nautical miles around each island, including Shag Rocks. These no-take zones (over 20,000 km² in total) will protect the foraging grounds of many of the Territory's land-based marine predators such as penguins, seals and seabirds and protect the spawning areas of many demersal fish species.

GSGSSI will continue to license fisheries for toothfish, ice-fish and krill in the MPA (outside of the no-take zones) and use the revenue to patrol the region to prevent illegal fishing and undertake research and monitoring. These fisheries are extremely carefully managed, with both the icefish and toothfish fisheries certified as sustainably managed by the Marine Stewardship Council.

The new MPA enshrines in law much of the existing protection in the SG Maritime Zone and represents an important and significant addition to a global network of MPAs - increasing the area of the world's oceans formally protected as MPAs by almost 25%.

Dr Martin Collins, Chief Executive of the Government of South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands said, “South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands are remarkable places, supporting an amazing density of wildlife. Establishing the SGSSI MPA is a key part of our long-term stewardship of the islands and demonstrates that, even in a place as special as South Georgia, you can have sustainable fisheries with minimum impact on the ecosystem.”

Dr Phil Trathan, Head of Conservation Biology at the British Antarctic Survey, who advised the Government of South Georgia on the establishment of the MPA said, “South Georgia is a globally important island that deserves the strongest level of protection. I believe that this is a major step forward for conservation, not just at South Georgia, but also for the wider Antarctic.”

The area to the south of the South Sandwich Islands, below the 60° latitude, is not included in the new MPA because it is already a 'no take zone' and GSGSSI does not issue licences to fish in this area, however it does protect the area of its Maritime Zone that lies south of the line.

In future there may be even greater protection within the new MPA as a result of two current projects, one funded by the Darwin Initiative to investigate benthic biodiversity and possible threats to it from the longline fishery, and another, funded by the Overseas Territories Environment Program, focusing on krill. Both projects will be completed in April 2012.
 

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1 johnfarrel2050 (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 06:34 am Report abuse
It is a very original way to find a good argument more easily acceptable for the world community, but with the only objetive of stealing a huge area of sea and land. Please uk don´t try to lie anymore, all the world knows the pirates history of this imperialist country.
2 Frank (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 07:05 am Report abuse
I have done a rather good job of ignoring you for some time but now I must ask you a question....

Who, exactly , have the British stolen this 'huge area of sea and land' from?
3 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 08:28 am Report abuse
Yes johnfarrel2050, who have they stolen this area from?
4 STRATEGICUS (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 09:04 am Report abuse
@1 RoboDalek2050

I did not know that the Daleks ever had names but I see you have one.

I am a Dalek!DESTROY! DESTROY! DESTROY!
5 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 09:10 am Report abuse
@4 Funny you mention that, as there is a distinct physical similarity between KFC and Dalek-leader Davros (upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/02/Davros_Wisher.png/200px-Davros_Wisher.png)
6 STRATEGICUS (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 09:24 am Report abuse
@5GY

Some Argie Malvinistas show base levels of human intelligence but @1 always reminds me of the computer generated phone calls trying to sell insurance or offering to help you claim your mis sold PPI back.No human intelligence whatsoever.
7 Steve-32-uk (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 09:29 am Report abuse
@1 John what are you talking about these Atlantic islands were uninhabited before Britons landed there. I'm trying to be objective, but really cannot see your argument?

Surely even you must agree this is great news?
8 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 09:30 am Report abuse
@6 I can see what you mean. What amazes me is that they call British people pirates, but they cannot seem to explain why they feel they own South Georgia and associated island. They cannot explain why the British own South Georgia.

I'm guessing their demands for other people's property is as close to piracy as it gets (if they were in a boat)
9 lsolde (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 09:38 am Report abuse
Ah, our old friend “all the world” johnfarrel is back & just as ridiculous as ever.
Please john, explain to us how Argentina owns South Georgia.
l await your illuminating answer with bated breath.
10 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 09:43 am Report abuse
I'm personally very interested to know how Argentina owns South Georgia, South Sandwich Islands and South Orkneys. Can one of the Argentinians please explain to us all? We're waiting.
11 McClick (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 10:13 am Report abuse
The hugo meteroit fireball was seen across nearly the entire of Britain last weekend past warns that this event is but a precursor to an expected hit upon Earth this coming
12 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 10:31 am Report abuse
While we wait for those argies to figure out their arses from their elbows. Here is an interesting point.

The UK in 1947, 1951, 1953 and 1954 offered to take the sovereignty claim over South Georgia and South Sandwich Island to the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in the Hague but this was subsequently turned down by Argentina. Then UK took it to the ICJ unilaterally in 1955, Argentina declined to cooperate, citing a lack of jurisdiction of the ICJ into Argentinian affairs. (source: www.wildisland.gs/atlantis/gettingitright.pdf)

Another great case of the Argentinians ignoring the UN, avoiding the ICJ to resolve things peacefully and not engaging with countries in order to resolve things through negotiation. These timings coincide with the usually mentioned UN calls for the UK and Argentina to sit down and discuss the South Atlantic Islands, which apparently Argentina has flat out refused to do.

Kind of contradictory that after ignoring the UN resolutions, claiming the ICJ has no jurisdiction, invading islands, walking out of negotiations that they would then claim the UK is not wanting to sit down and negotiate.
13 McClick (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 11:38 am Report abuse
@ 12 stelyo,
The Unted Nations will recieive the Argentine mission in the short coming time Argentina's sovereignty claim.
Thirthy years after the war ,the UN Special Committee on Decolonization will analyse the implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples.
14 stick up your junta (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 11:44 am Report abuse
They do look near to argentina on the map,mind you not as near as the Argie island of Martin Garcia is to Uruguay

Almost within swimming distance of Carmelo (Uruguay), the Precambrian bedrock island of Martín García boasts a fascinating history, lush woodlands, and an almost unmatchable tranquility as a retreat from the frenzy of the federal capital and even provincial suburbs.
15 Doveoverdover (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 11:47 am Report abuse
Come on chaps, deep down you know the answer or at least you know the rationalised explanation.

The UK is a vehicle for white English arrogant self interest and has no moral right to the ownership of territory in the southern hemisphere or anywhere else for that matter. Any overseas territories we still have are the illegitimate remnants of a bygone era, acquired and held by expeditionary naval and military forces, funded from the plunder of Spanish treasure ships, the exploitation of native peoples and of slaves. These territories (and similar US, FR and NZ ones) are the last visible remnants of a repugnant and offensive concept, colonialism, which the UN GA has resolved to remove from the face of the earth.

Right, as they are not British they must be someone else's. The nearest populated land is the Malvinas archipelago and that is a part of the territory of Argentina. Therefore the islands are a part of Argentina.

I rest their case.
16 PirateLove (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 12:05 pm Report abuse
Well done Britain, “marine reserve”,“strict regulation” .... blinder,

although enforcing strict regulating in such a huge remote area wont be easy, unless plans are afoot,ill leave it at that.
17 cornishair (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 01:18 pm Report abuse
15 im not the only one here who thinks argentina is a repugnant colonial power :p
18 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 01:20 pm Report abuse
@17 No that's a widely held view.

@15 So your whole argument is 'I don't like this country and they're a bit close to somewhere'. I can see the depth of your argument there.
19 cornishair (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 01:24 pm Report abuse
i also don't remember an island group called the Malvinas? there's a british island group called the falklands, are you talking about that?
20 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 01:27 pm Report abuse
@19 The Malvinas Islands must be like Atlantis and sank below the waves. It's probably part of Argentinian folk law, except most of their folk law comes from Nazi Germany.
21 Tobers (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 02:54 pm Report abuse
Noone owned them before so someone has to own them now. Why not Britain? Its useful to own these islands for its resources and (potential) strategic value.. but thats how it works. For any country.

Argentina of course would just own them purely as custodians of the nature.

@15 ah, its tongue in cheek. I thought you'd finally exposed yourself as a rabid malvinista. You know, the 'Im considering this argument from a neutral perspective'... Oh f%$@ it! Sieg Heil!! Las Malvinas, Las Malvinas!!!'
22 Doveoverdover (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 03:11 pm Report abuse
@19 and 20 It isn't my argument, it's my personal take on the Argentinian argument; one which takes advantage of prejudices still apparent today in places like the Caribbean. And yes, essentially as far as the C24 and the “non-aligned states” are concerned, the case is that our forefathers were international criminals against humanity and we, their direct descendants, don't deserve to keep the proceeds of their crimes.
23 Marcos Alejandro (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 04:02 pm Report abuse
South Georgia Marine Protected area by a giant British octopus.

“Following the revelations in the US diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks and published on the UK Guardian website, Mauritius is now suing the United Kingdom over the so-called “Marine Protected Area” created around the Chagos Islands to deny the native Chagossians the right to return to their homeland”

blogs.alternet.org/danbacher/2011/01/20/mauritius-sues-british-government-over-chagos-marine-protected-area/
24 Brit Bob (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 04:13 pm Report abuse
The Argentinian claims to the Falklands, South Georgia are weak and simply borne out of shouting 'their closer to us' as the basis to thier argumant. Instead of blaming the British for their woes they should sort out their own domestic problems such as starving children, not honouring contractual obligations, turning ships (with paying passengers away) making false claims to the UN, telling lies to the EU re trade with UK.

I know if I was a penguin living on South Georga I would want to be a British penguin!
25 Marcos Alejandro (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 04:18 pm Report abuse
24 Brit Bob “I know if I was a penguin living on South Georga I would want to be a British penguin!”

Brit, a British penguin is a dead penguin.

”Just across the water in Chile and Argentina, the same species of penguins have increased in number, due to the co-operation of the governments of Chile and Argentina in protecting these penguins from commercial fishing. Unlike the Falklands, where penguins are dying from starvation due to lack of protection (See Falklands Penguins Starve to Death), the governments of Chile and Argentina have established no-fishing zones around penguin colonies to protect penguins from commercial fishing”

www.seabirds.org/
26 cornishair (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 04:25 pm Report abuse
has argentina made up any silly spanish names for the south altantic BOT's?, i know they've only claimed them since 1943?
27 Brit Bob (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 04:37 pm Report abuse
# 25

I concede Marcos you are probably right about the penguins so I guess you must agree with me about Argentinian domestic problems, starving children, not honouring contractual obligations, turning fee paying ship passengers around, making false claims to the UN, telling lies to the EU and claiming the Falklands?
28 Marcos Alejandro (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 04:43 pm Report abuse
#27 Like you don't have any domestic problems in your country...
29 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 04:47 pm Report abuse
@28 Do you ever keep to the topic? i'm just wondering whether you even bother to read the topic or you just enter anti-british comments with no link to what is being discussed.

Are you autistic?

@24 That's great, but can we get one of the Argentinians who have been irreperably tarnished through endless schooltime brainwashing to tell us why the Arg.gov believes it has a right to South Georgia and the South Sandwich islands. I'm in need of a laugh.

Thanks Argies.
30 Brit Bob (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 04:53 pm Report abuse
@28

Yes Marcos we do have domestic problems too. But I believe that Argentina's main problem is created by the people that govern their country. The Argentinian people truly deserve better and should realise that they are being duped by that 'old Falklands chestnut' which is constantly used to distract the people from real issues at home.
31 Marcos Alejandro (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 04:56 pm Report abuse
15 and 22 Doveoverdover, Nice to read an honest British comment.
32 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 05:10 pm Report abuse
@31 Seriously Marcos you don't seem to have your troll detector on today. That dude is trying to troll people, he's not being authentic, because let's face it, no one has the view he has. He doesn't even apply the same logic to the Argentinians, who are equally as guilty.

You're clearly autistic.
33 cornishair (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 05:16 pm Report abuse
i've always wondered what happened to the captain of ARA Guerrico? i would of fired the bugger!
34 Conqueror (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 05:29 pm Report abuse
@2, 3, 4, 7 & 9 There's no point in waiting for jf2050 to come up with a cogent statement. He doesn't have the wit or intelligence for that. He has a script. Probably provided by the argie foreign ministry. You can see similarities between his script and that of Tin Man. He did once say that he wasn't an argie. I think he's a sub-normal Brazilian. Not a good advertisement for that country. Mind you, I think the “2050” provides a clue. I think this is when he hopes to get a brain transplant and become a moron. The thing to do is to follow Frank's approach and ignore it. This may be the best approach. If no-one ever responds to his trolling, no matter how outrageous, he/it may go away. He's doubtless a homo with a limited education. Probably in poverty. Probably a bum-boy and c*cksucker. I just wonder if he/it gets paid? In coin, or just extra bumming!

@31 Margo doesn't have the intellectual discrimination of a slug! What's lower down than a slug? I know. I know. Please sir, I know. A maggot or an argie! Correct! Go to the top of the class and receive the supreme accolade of becoming a British citizen.
35 Chatcat (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 06:06 pm Report abuse
@28 - would you know if your government has plans to try and claim St Helena or any other South Atlantic Islands currently British Overseas Territories?
36 Think (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 06:08 pm Report abuse
(15) & (22) Mr. McDoD

Crisp, concise, correct and complete personal take on the Argentinean argument…………

Do you have a similar one on the British argument?

I would very much like to hear it…….
37 McClick (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 06:16 pm Report abuse
What a stupid English brain to expense heavily for only few Sandwiches.
38 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 07:21 pm Report abuse
All we all still agreed on the fact that Argentina is a repugnant colonial power?
39 Doveoverdover (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 07:31 pm Report abuse
@32 Amazing, I get two of the non-Brits to agree that I'm honest and correct in my assessment and you undermine me by saying that no one holds the view I offered, not even them. Once again I feel misunderstood, hurt and undervalued.
40 McClick (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 07:37 pm Report abuse
The truth is that today ,Argentina is not sovereign country.National independence means there is a willingness to be free even the cost of war.In fact the last bastion of national soverignty for any country is its armed forces.
Where London--Washington--Santiago--NATO --Tel Aviv to decide on military intervention against Argentina for whatever reason ,there would be absolutely nothing Argentina could about it.
the British know thisvery well,that's why they are laughing.
41 briton (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 07:40 pm Report abuse
3 GreekYoghurt

The reason he johnfarrel2050
,, cant answer you lot, is because he bought the islands, from a back street seller, [conman][yes][he][was][coned][ha ha]
Then he sold it in a dodgy deal to CFK for 20 pounds, and she now claims it as her own,, but that would amount to greed, so it belongs to Argentina, [ha that’s better] but sadly they are to slow, to greedy , and the British, to save any future argument has turned it into a nice marina,
And it’s British, so argentine will have not, her greed, and CFK will go back to johnfarrel2050

And demand her 20 pounds back plus 5,000 pounds interest, and then johnfarrel2050
Will just have to donate them to charity, and that’s the whole truth,
mmmmmm
.
42 johnfarrel2050 (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 08:14 pm Report abuse
Please uk go to europe to steal teritories and sea areas, stop stealing them in South America. This stupid argument of a “protected area” is not enough to steal these areas !!!! Nobody believe in them !!! Obvioulsly some british try to defend this stupid arguments, only to continue stealing land, sea, and resources in diferent places around the world, in the same way it was performed by uk during the last centuries. In the XXI century is neccessary to give a nicer name (“protected area”) to these behaviors (usurpations of areas) to try to be accepted them by some people around the world.
43 The Cestrian (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 08:17 pm Report abuse
Well done the UK for being so environmentally sensitive and protecting the land from pirates such as the RG's.
44 Steve-32-uk (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 08:23 pm Report abuse
@25 The penguin argument is probably Argentina's strongest case yet for sovereignty of the Falklands.
45 briton (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 08:25 pm Report abuse
these islands will out live all of us,
46 johnfarrel2050 (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 08:27 pm Report abuse
Nobody believe in the “enviromentally sentive” of uk. uk is one of the countries that most contribute in the increase of temperature affecting the climate of the earth (this is a scientific information). But in the other hand this country tell that is very interested in “protecting” this area. Please don´t lie anymore, a lot of people knows that this country is interested in stealindg this area.
47 Think (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 08:42 pm Report abuse
(39) Mr McDoD

You poor, misunderstood little sausage ……............... :-)

PS:
”Still” waiting for your personal take on the British argument about the ”Malvinas Issue”
A crisp, concise, correct and complete one as your Argentinean one………
48 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 08:56 pm Report abuse
@42,46 Johnfarrel2050 - you haven't explained yet why you think you own South Georgia and the South Sandwich Island (which are all in the Atlantic, not South America) Why do you feel you can steal territories in the Atlantic when you're not even an Atlantic Country?
49 McClick (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 09:01 pm Report abuse
Basic geopolitical common sense indicates that maintaining a powerful military is absolutely vital for any self-respecting country .No to attack anybody as the US--UK--NATO and Israel constantly ,but rather as defense and dissuasion against those very countries.In Argentina case Britain has a bad track record ,having repeatedly tried to invade it over the past 300 years.
50 Steve-32-uk (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 09:07 pm Report abuse
@46 johnfarrel2050 who are the UK stealing from?
I must be missing something here.
There were no natives / other inhabitants to steal from. South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands are in the middle of the Atlantic, so no 'near my country' claim possible for anyone.

johnfarrel2050 where are you from?

Tell me who should run South Georgia / South Sandwich and why?
51 Martin Woodhead (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 09:07 pm Report abuse
We found Soth Georgia it's over a 1000 miles from Argentina so what exactly is yor claim to them?
52 McClick (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 09:12 pm Report abuse
@ 51

South Atlantic is cursed and blessed region.
53 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 09:16 pm Report abuse
@51 Who is Martin Woodhead talking to? He must be British, because the British found South Georgia.
54 Doveoverdover (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 10:00 pm Report abuse
@ 47 And a g0od evening to you too.

The case I put forward above and which was so roundly condemned by my compatriot (but subsequently endorsed @42) was for the Argentinian claim to South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands (SG&SSI).

To my understanding, the UK claim to SGSSI is based on first discovery, habitation and subsequent assertion based on primacy and proximity (territorial integrity as some might say). This was in line with international laws and norms applicable both at the time and now. Sovereignty has been regularly and successfully enforced on a number of occasions against both unarmed and armed usurpation by a South American state with colonial ambitions in the South Atlantic and Antarctica. Being a separate British Overseas Territory and a considerable distance away, the islands are not legally a part of the Falkland Islands but, for convenience, they are administered from there.

Not nearly as emotional, I know, but then this is an Anglo not an Iberian justification. I do hope you can agree with it. If you don't you can always offer a pastiche of your own.
55 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 10:16 pm Report abuse
@54 Suitable, but you forgot to mention the principle of uti possidetis... maybe you did, I just cannot see it.
56 Britishbulldog (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 10:43 pm Report abuse
1 johnfarrel2050---- Listen fuckwit I won’t mince words with you like some people have done. I couldn't give a dam what you psychotic thugs think of us, people like you are boil on Satan’s arse and have been put on this earth so that we British could now and again kick that boiled arse so that we could laugh at the pain it gives you. You come from a nothing nation and will continue to be a nothing nation, by the way we British would have it no other way, we are top dog and will continue to be top dog. That your role in life being the butt of jokes and being beneath Britain in all things. I would have thought that even the simplest of minds would by now have come to the conclusion we British are a far superior race of people and that people that come from Argentina or who support Argentina have been put on earth to bow and scrape to that far superior race of people called the British. I would even go further and say that every British household should have an Argentinian either as a pet to lap at our feet or should have one or more to slave at our every word, after all that's all your good for. Our dogs could teach you a thing or two, no sorry that's going a bit too far, what I meant to say was that it was the fleas on the dog could teach you a thing or two I did not mean to decry our pet dogs who have far more intelligence as the average placed Argentine.
57 Doveoverdover (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 10:44 pm Report abuse
@55 Suitable! why, thank you sir kindly. If you believe that this principle is applicable in this non-war, non-post colonial situation then it's wrapped up in “international laws and norms”.
58 briton (#) Mar 10th, 2012 - 10:56 pm Report abuse
. uk is one of the countries that most contribute in the increase of temperature affecting the climate of the earth (this is a scientific information).
[fact]
India and china and the USA produce more rubbish into the air, of all kinds in one day,, then the whole of the British isle does in a year [fact]

,,,

Basic geopolitical common sense indicates that maintaining a powerful military is absolutely vital for any self-respecting country
[not true] many decent and well respected countries have little or no defences, the rep of Ireland and Switzerland as just two examples .

In Argentina case Britain has a bad track record ,having repeatedly tried to invade it over the past 300 years.
[first off, argentina is considered Major non-NATO ally (MNNA) is a designation given by the United States government to close allies who have strategic working relationships with US armed forces but are not members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization,

The british may or may not have been at war with argentina in the past, but to be fair, and anyone actualy prove that the british was activly INVADING argentina, rather than just at war with them,
There is a factual difference between actual invasion, and fighting over city for example .
.
59 Stefan (#) Mar 11th, 2012 - 04:13 am Report abuse
@15 - The most retarded comment every posted anywhere.
60 johnfarrel2050 (#) Mar 11th, 2012 - 06:33 am Report abuse
@56 You are very wrong, I´m not from Argentina, a lot of people around the world as myself knows the truth it is not necessary to be from Argentina to that. However your comments only show that you are VERY RACIST and everybody knows that it is the worst behaviour that a person can show. I only hope that the rest of british wouldn´t be so racist as you are. However, your country still believe that it is an empire with the power to colonize the land or seas areas what it wants., but your country must know that the centuries of pirates are over. However uk hasn´t the economical and political power of some decades ago. For this reason this country try to keep a part of this power stealing huge areas of sea and land. You need to know that you are very racist but obviously you don´t have any of arguments to justify the stealing performed by your thief and country.
61 Think (#) Mar 11th, 2012 - 07:06 am Report abuse
(54) Mr. McDoD

Your crisp, concise, correct and complete personal take on the Argentinean argument about the ”Malvinas Issue” at (15) is “still” one of the best British comments ever posted at MercoPress.
Even your intended pun at the Spanish would work at our favor in most of the World’s fora.

Let’s now separate the hull from the groat in your ”not nearly as emotional”, personal take on the British argument about the ”Malvinas Issue”
But… wait a minute……...... It’s not about the “Malvinas Issue” anymore!
It’s only about South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands!
And “them Islands” are yours because of proximity!
Proximity to the Malvinas Islands!
Divide et Impera!
Let’s put it this way, lad……
When making pastiches, you are a better Iberian than Brit. :-)
62 lsolde (#) Mar 11th, 2012 - 07:29 am Report abuse
@61Think,
You're getting desperate now, Thinkus.
You know that DoveoverDover was just showing the rest of us how illogical the Argentine mind works.
By agreeing with him & fawning on him it just reminds us of how Argentina thanks people & fora around the world for their non-existant “support” that they didn't know they'd given.
Pathetic coming from a travelled “man of the world” like you.
But l forgive you *flutters eyes*♥
63 Doveoverdover (#) Mar 11th, 2012 - 07:45 am Report abuse
@61 And a good morning to you too. Before I sit down to my full fried British breakfast, including sausage, can I just say how very flattered and pleased I am that I have been author of the post rated both the best and worst ever on MercoPress - and for the same post too.

And just for clarification, though really I'm surprised and disappointed that you need it, it is the proximity of the SSI to SG that is the basis of the linking of the two into a single territorial entity, not proximity to the Falklands.

And I wish people would stop quoting Latin at me. It brings back awful memories of cruel and unusual treatment at prep school.

And another thing, the subject article is about SG&SSI (which I understand is known in the Spanish speaking world by the literal translation rather than anything distinctly different ) and not the Falkland/Islands Malvinas as it is known in the UN when writing in English. It is the Argentinian claim that links them together whilst the UK claim deliberately keeps them separate.

And please stop calling me lad. At my age I find it both disrespectful and inappropriate.
64 Think (#) Mar 11th, 2012 - 08:30 am Report abuse
(63) Mr McDoD

Uhhhhhmmmm…..
Could use myself a delicious Ulster Fry with lots of bacon rashers, sausages, lamb's kidneys, boxty and farl.........
Back to my café con leche & tostadas though…………. :-(

About the subject of the article being the SG&SSI and not the Malvinas/ Falklands……; sorry but it was you that, very correctly, linked them together at (15) by saying:
”ANY overseas territories we still have are the illegitimate remnants of a bygone era….”
”ANY overseas territories….”
”ANY….”

I will, of course, stop calling you ”Lad” if it upsets you.
At my age is too easy to call nearly everybody else a ”Lad” or a ”Lass”.
What about ”Young Man” ? :-)

I insist however in my right to use Latin when deemed appropriate or necessary.
I luuuuv Latin………..
65 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 11th, 2012 - 09:56 am Report abuse
I'm removing myself from any involvement in this chat about world breakfasts.
66 Doveoverdover (#) Mar 11th, 2012 - 10:22 am Report abuse
@64 Breakfast over, I now feel mellow enough to point out, again, that the Argentinian case is not my case or, self evidently, the UK case. The British case, as I so suitably put it, does not depend on the case for sovereignty of the Falkland Islands/Malvinas.

Look, to be honest, most Brits don't recognise the anti-British feeling that still lingers in some parts of the former empire and elsewhere and when they see signs of it they put it down to jealousy, hypocrisy, vindictiveness or feeble mindedness. For example, as recently as last week the Prime Minister of one former BOT, now fully independent, asked for reparations from Britain for its role in slavery. In that it was met with anything it was met with incredulity. Any of us who think about it at all think it's time to draw a line and move on but I can see why others don't agree (visible legacies of greatness such as the permanent seat on the UNSC, close relationship with the US and overseas possessions).
67 Steve-32-uk (#) Mar 11th, 2012 - 10:29 am Report abuse
Didn't realise that Merco press has a Spanish version with completely different stories.
This is an interesting one I've just read about Falklands Independence. Google Chrome translated it for me.

es.mercopress.com/2010/05/28/las-falklands-malvinas-muy-contentas-con-ser-britanicas-y-los-de-afuera-son-de-palo
68 Doveoverdover (#) Mar 11th, 2012 - 10:45 am Report abuse
@67 Pleasing to see that the English language reporter got his piece in first back in May 2010.

en.mercopress.com/2010/05/27/falklands-happy-as-british-overseas-territory-and-don-t-like-being-told-by-others-what-to-do
69 Think (#) Mar 11th, 2012 - 10:50 am Report abuse
(66) Mr. McDoD

Hope you enjoyed your fried breakfast….

Now,… as in the “Benny Issue”; they were “Still Bennies” after your futile prohibition attempt.
The “Malvinas Issue” is “Still the Malvinas Issue” after your futile partition attempt.
And it includes, of course, the Georgias del Sur & Sandwich del Sur Islands.
70 Doveoverdover (#) Mar 11th, 2012 - 11:05 am Report abuse
@69 Very happy to be reminded that King George and the Earl of Sandwich are commemorated in Spanish as in English. I also take your comment as confirmation, once again and as if it were needed, that the Argentinian position on the South Atlantic Islands is different from the British.

Further, I'll bet my frustration at being unable to stamp out the use of the term Bennies and to explain the British position on SG&SSI is nothing when compared to the frustration that the futility of the Argentinian claim to the South Atlantic Islands causes to its proponents.

The dogs need walking and then there's lunch and the rugby. Don't rush to reply.
71 Marcelo Kohen (#) Mar 11th, 2012 - 11:07 am Report abuse
New British provocative act. The British government did exactly the same with the Chagos Arcvhipelago, where Diego Garcia is located and the Chagossians expelled (a blatant contradiction with the self-determination argument used in the Falklands Islands (Malvinas)). Is it by “chance” that both “Marine Protected Areas” are related to territories over which the UK has sovereignty disputes (one with Argentina, the other with Mauritius)? As far as SG and SSI are concerned, the appropriate place to take protection regulations is CCAMLR.
72 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 11th, 2012 - 11:29 am Report abuse
@71 Satan rears his ugly head again.

Not-Kohen, do you know that the Chagos Arcvhipelago, as you call it, was bought by the British from the Mauritians. If you have an issue with that, then go and speak to the Mauritians about it.

Not-Kohen, as a lawyer can you explain why the Argentinians think they own South Georgia and SS Islands? It doesn't look like you wanted to take the issue to the ICJ on several occasions and then you claimed the ICJ had no jurisdiction over Argentinian affairs. So why do you keep talking about the ICJ as a solution?? Thanks.
73 Marcelo Kohen (#) Mar 11th, 2012 - 12:31 pm Report abuse
@ 72 Avoid insults or unpleasant comments, please.
Re Chagos: have a look at Resolution 2066 of the United Nations, please. “bought by the British from the Mauritians”!!!
Re SG/SSI & ICJ: The British application against Argentina was very careful in order to exclude any acceptance of the jurisdiction of the Court with regard to the sovereignty dispute about the Falklands/Malvinas themselves. It only concerned what the British called the “Falkland Islands Dependencies” at that time (Antarctica, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands). Here are the two relevant footnotes of the British application:
“It results from the present Application that the United Kingdom Government
accepts the jurisdiction of the Court in respect of the questions hereby submitted to it, and in particular that of the title to sovereignty over the islands and lands of the Falkland Islands Dependencies. The present Application does not constitute a submission to the jurisdiction of the Court in any other respect, or as regards the title to sovereignty over any territory outside the Dependencies.”
“It will be understood that although, for reason of convenience, the territories to
which the present Application relates were constituted Dependencies of the Falkland Islands for administrative purposes. The British title to them is a separate and independent one, which in no way derives from or depends on the title to the Falkland Islands themselves.”
One of the reasons Argentina invoked for not accepting the invitation made by the UK through the application to accept the jurisdiction of the Court was that the British government had excluded the Falkland Islands (Malvinas) themselves.
74 lsolde (#) Mar 11th, 2012 - 12:50 pm Report abuse
Lawyer doublespeak, Marcel.
1)We own all these lslands,
2)You donot.
3)You want OUR lslands
4)We are not going to give them to you.
5)What will you do about it/what can you do about it?
6)ICJ,but you won't, because you know that they are NOT your lslands.
7)War,you won't do that either.
8)So all you do is whine, whinge, moan & cry.
That won't work either
Get used to it
They are NOT your lslands & NO, you CANNOT have them.
Tough bananas♥
75 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 11th, 2012 - 01:44 pm Report abuse
@73 Not-Kohen, so you didn't answer anything I asked then. Well done. The fact is Argentina flatly refused to take part in peaceful negotiation and discussion, simply because it didn't suit them. So in summary Argentina doesn't respect the opinion of the ICJ on issues of sovereignty.

Don't quote UN resolutions at me, because Argentina was in failed to abide by UNSCR 502 and was in the process of failing to abide by UNSCR 708 when the UK took back possession.

The fact is, you didn't want to go to the ICJ with SG & SSI because your claim was as weak as it is for the Falklands, i.e. you'd lose. The Argentinian claim for SG & SSI is particularly hilarious, and as a pretend-lawyer I'm sure you'd appreciate that Argentina doesn't have a moral nor ethical leg to stand on when it comes to it's uptake of UN suggestions.

Have fun there.
76 Conqueror (#) Mar 11th, 2012 - 02:34 pm Report abuse
@38 I'm a bit dubious about the word “power”. Do you mean “power” as in “dynamic, useful, effective?” Or do you mean as in “stench”?
@42 You have a little problem with geography, don't you? Here's a couple of clues. The UK is in a group of islands (the British Isles) OFF the north-west coast of Europe. The Falkland Islands, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands, on the other hand are groups of islands in the South Atlantic. They are NOT in South America and they have been BRITISH for longer than your pitiful country has existed. The BRITISH South Atlantic islands are BRITISH OVERSEAS TERRITORIES. They are, in effect, independent and locally governed, except for defence and foreign affairs. The UK (Britain) is recognised by the UN as the Administering Authority, insofar as the UK requires any recognition. The UK has stolen NOTHING! The rest of your comment is the usual meaningless drivel.
@46 Shame that the country that contributes most to global warming (if it exists) is China. Followed, in order, by the United States, India, Russia, Japan, Germany, Iran, South Korea, Canada and Saudi Arabia. Then comes the United Kingdom. Closely followed, amongst others, by Mexico and Brazil.
@49 Britain has NEVER attempted to invade “Argentina”, wherever that is. In 1806 and 1807, British forces conducted raids against Spanish colonies.
@52 Of course it isn't. South America is cursed. It has argieland in it!
@59 No it isn't. But yours is!
@60 Thick feckwit. Your problem, feckwit, is that you don't understand the 21st century. I expect that you thought that the world would be miraculously turned into something you like. Doesn't work like that. The people that own things still own them. You can't change it. You have neither the clout nor the intelligence. Go whinge to someone who cares!
@71 Bad luck, not-Kohen. “You” should know that there are no such things as Chagossians.
@72 Typical argie. Quote a non-binding resolution. Stuff the UN!
77 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 11th, 2012 - 03:12 pm Report abuse
@76 Not-kohen is my favourite not-lawyer with his curious logic.

I've struggled to understand the fact that Argentina tells the UK, an Atlantic nation consisting of Atlantic Islands, to get out of South America. Argentina then tries to expand its territory to include a set of Atlantic Islands that aren't in South America, they're in the Atlantic... just like the UK is. You would have thought the Argies could have mustered that bit of logic, and considered their own rhetoric inappropriate.
78 Marcelo Kohen (#) Mar 11th, 2012 - 03:14 pm Report abuse
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chagossians
UNGA Resolution 2066 (XX):“Noting with deep concern that any step taken by the administering Power to detach certain islands from the territory of Mauritius for the purpose of estabishing a military base would be in contravention of the Declaration [1514], and in particular of paragraph 6 thereof”
UNSC Resolution 502 (1982). Also included as Number 3: “Calls on the Government of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Norther Ireland to seek a diplomatic solution to their differences and to respect fully the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations”.
The UK does not respect the right of self-determination when applicable, and invoke it to perpetuate a colonial situation where is not applicable.
The UK is in breach of it obligation to settle international disputes through the available peaceful means.
Go to negotiations. If there is no direct agreement in which all interests can be taken into account, then recourse to the ICJ is a serious alternative I strongly suggests. If UK wins, only then “end of story” (Cameron). If Argentina wins, the only thing to negotiate will be the date of the withdrawal of British administration. And it will also be “end of story”.
79 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 11th, 2012 - 03:31 pm Report abuse
@78 now look here Not-kohen, “Noting with” and “Calls on” doesn't mean you must do anything at all.

Until 1982 we were negotiating with Argentina at a table about everything to do with the Falklands, and being nice. Argentina then decided they wanted the negotiation to involve weapons, going against UNSCR resolution which “demanded” that you leave the Falklands. Argentina ignored UNSCR 502 and the negotiations were concluded when the Argentinians got their arses handed to them on a plate. They lost the negotiations... and by uti possedetis they lost their claims. As a side note the Argentinians were planning on being in breach of UNSCR 708, just to add a cherry onto the cake.

Now read this very carefully, Mr Not-lawyer, until 1982 the UK was negotiating with argentina when the Argentitians decided not to settle the issue through peaceful means, not the UK. Then after the war the UK fulfilled its resolutions by sitting down to negotiate with the Argentinians who then decided they didn't like negotiating peacefully and stormed out. The Argentinians were in breach of the UN resolutions, not the UK. Do you understand?

Your Chagossian points are unrelated. Your points around HK are unrelated.

“Go to negotiations.” Why? We've fulfilled our obligations to the UN. We've even made the Falklands self-governing as per the mission of the C24.

Why would we bother going to the ICJ when we have no issue? When we did take islands to the ICJ Argentina refused to be a part of peaceful negotiations and said the ICJ had no jurisdiction. Any negative outcome from the ICJ for Argentina will be met with the same, 'you have no jurisdiction here'. I don't see why the UK should go to the ICJ given these two very important points.

Now Not-kohen, you're not a very good not-lawyer because you don't seem to grasp the simple concept called a 'precendent'

That's the end of story.
80 briton (#) Mar 11th, 2012 - 06:10 pm Report abuse
Quite agree, you cannot ever talk about resolutions or laws, when Argentina in the last 30 odd years, have either disowned them, ignored them, or just brushed them to one side, , it is acting as if Argentina makes all the rules and laws,, which of course is rubbish, perhaps when she start to obey the rules herself, she may be in a position to inform on others, until then we suggest that it is untruthful to tell lies about others, when one is doing it herself . .
81 Conqueror (#) Mar 11th, 2012 - 07:20 pm Report abuse
@78 Listen not-Kohen. See whether you can get this through your thick skull. NO UN GENERAL ASSEMBLY RESOLUTION IS BINDING. I'll put it another way. ALL UN GENERAL ASSEMBLY RESOLUTIONS ARE NON-BINDING. I will continue to point out that there has never been an indigenous people called Chagossians. They are properly called the Ilois. But, most importantly, not one single Ilois has ever owned any property in the Chagos archipelago. No-one can be “indigenous” unless they have owned some part of the territory.

Story ends!
82 Marcelo Kohen (#) Mar 11th, 2012 - 07:56 pm Report abuse
Gents (none of you can be a lady), your arrogance and unpoliteness have no limits. How easy is to conceal behind nicknames. Continue to believe all you say. You are swiming against the tide of history. Continue to put “ends of story” every day. All this speaks volumes about you. I wouldn't go to tell you, as my Bobe would do with you: “gei kakn”!
83 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 11th, 2012 - 08:29 pm Report abuse
@82 Not-kohen, you say we're arrogant, and you say we're unpolite but you're the one pretending to be someone you're not. I'm not legally trained, just a good logician and excuse me for having to correct what is ultimately flawed argentine logic.

I'm just expressing the reality of the situation, Argentina lost the Falkland Islands when 'they' decided to negotiate 'militarily' and lost. The UK didn't choose this path, Argentina did. I'm sorry you're sour about that, but as a not-lawyer you will understand that that's just life. No amount of legalising at the ICJ or undignified Blubbing-in-public at the UN is going to change that fact, and the Argentinian claims on SGSSI are simply laughable, in a laughing out loud rolling on the ground style. Your nation (the one you abandoned) needs to just grow up and stop acting like a bunch of children that cannot have someone else's toy.

Yet again, I see you have an ingrained dislike for gentiles, but reality is again not on your side because we outnumber you. This is probably because God likes us more, so as a non-yiddish speaker (another repugnant goyim to you no doubt) do me the one justice of talking to me in a language I can understand. If you want to say 'get lost' then do so in English.

Many thanks.
84 Doveoverdover (#) Mar 11th, 2012 - 08:41 pm Report abuse
But @82, the tide of history has started to go out on the UN C24 and its relevance to modern living. You can only have so many Decades of Decolonisation before even the most convinced anti-colonialist nations lose interest. Reading the annual report of the Committee one starts to see even the Chair suggesting it is time to move on.

Argentina will at some point need to find another forum at the UN to air its complaint but by then the Falkland Islands will be fully economically self sustaining, tied in to US as well as UK and EU political and financial interests and in a position to declare independence as a constitutional monarchy within the Commonwealth if it wishes. Either way, it will be so attractive to English speaking migrants that the population will exponentially. Take a look at Dubai if you need an example of what this might look like.
85 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 11th, 2012 - 09:01 pm Report abuse
@84 on the 14th June the C24 are going to discuss Argentina's desire to colonise someone else's property ... again. I wonder what new swing on the nonsense they're going to come up with this time, after forgetting they started a war, ignored the Security Council and stormed out of negotiations.

And I pay taxes that go to the UN for them to waste my money on discussing something which has SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF DECOLONISING???

It makes me MADDD!!! FFFFFGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
86 Islander1 (#) Mar 11th, 2012 - 09:04 pm Report abuse
Marcos- see yopu are prattling on about penguins again - you seem to conveniently forget that penguin numbers in the Islands here are also INcreasing.

John F - love to see all this “truthfull evidence” that you and the rest of the world allegedly has that shows the Islands belong to Argentina?

Hey- your supporters in Rio got flattened yesterday I hear! A group went to demonstrate about the Islands on a street where Prince Harry was going to passby - along came a running group of Brazilian girls wanting to see Harry - arse up went the Argies and their Banners!
87 lsolde (#) Mar 11th, 2012 - 09:16 pm Report abuse
@84DoveoverDover,
You say that Argentina is going to need another forum to whinge in,
May l suggest the Flat Earth Society.
88 Think (#) Mar 11th, 2012 - 09:17 pm Report abuse
(84) Mr McDoD

You are starting to sound a bit like Mr. Beef, our resident British oil expert...
He used to call Malvinas for Bahhhhhhhhrain :-)
For all those dreams to come true, oil in commercial quantities must be found first.....

Let's just wait for the CPR .....shall we?

I have noticed that, even the most bullish investors at III are turning their “great expectations” violently down.

≤ 205 mmbbls my latest, uneducated guess.
Certainly not enough to start exploitation in “normal” conditions.
And, I can assure you, we will be doing our utmost to ensure that conditions will be all other than “normal”.
89 Doveoverdover (#) Mar 11th, 2012 - 10:50 pm Report abuse
@88 And a good evening to you too; if I want investment advice I'll consult my broker, thanks very much.

Nothing moves quickly in the world of the UN GA so an odd CPR here or there won't make much difference. But as you've broken cover, I can look forward to the next Presidential initiative with even greater interest having been assured that you and she are doing your utmost to create abnormality.
90 Idlehands (#) Mar 12th, 2012 - 03:33 pm Report abuse
It's a shame this has become a slanging match about the Falklands - as would an article in Mercopress on basket weaving in Tibet.

Marine conservation is incredibly important. Because we can't see and count the fish etc they are treated as if there is an inexhaustible supply. Over the last hundred years we have devastated the oceans of their life.

Even with massive ships, enormous nets, hi tech sonar and a greater understanding of marine life than ever before it still takes more man hours to catch a fish than it did in the age of sail. (trust me - have a google)

The situation is idiotic and many species will never recover. You don't have to kill every last fish in a species to make them extinct or beyond recovery. Once the balance is dirupted to a far enough extent then invasive species take over and there is simply no way back for those we've destroyed.

Think about it this way - saying we've decimated the whale stocks sounds emotive and bad - but it's actually an enormous understatement. Decimation is the loss of 1 in 10 but many whale species are down below 10% of their natural levels. Decimation would only be down to 90%.
91 Doveoverdover (#) Mar 12th, 2012 - 04:50 pm Report abuse
@90 Nothing you say is at all contentious, in my opinion anyway - motherhood and apple pie really. What is contentious is who has the right/responsibility to do something about it in this particular South Atlantic area and that is inseparable from the Falklands/Malvinas dispute. Some clearly think this is principally a politically motivated act, done as a cynical demonstration of apparently benevolent authority and power. Others think it is a responsible action that is entirely in keeping with both the spirit and the letter of the UN principles for the administration of isolated territories. No point in all violently agreeing with each other about the need for conservation when there are hobby horses like these to be taken out into the yard and exercised.
92 Be serious (#) Mar 12th, 2012 - 07:07 pm Report abuse
Supercilious and childlike Argentinians can go out and exercise their hobby horses as much and as often as they like. Better that than repeating their ill advised 1982 adventure.
Thanks to the Botox Queen and her late hubby an acceptable compromise simply doesn't exist.
Meanwhile and for the foreseeable future the UK will get on with the business of running all of its territories as it sees fit.
93 Idlehands (#) Mar 12th, 2012 - 08:09 pm Report abuse
91 Doveoverdover A Perfect example of my point. I tried to draw the comments towards a discussion about the state of the worlds oceans and all you care about is “who has the right/responsibility to do something about it in this particular South Atlantic area” - In that regard who cares?

To return to your fixation - Argentina has abandoned the previously agreed fishing conservation agreements in the area and it is rumoured to have been overfishing in order to take as much of the pie as possible and harm the income of the Falklands which it heavily relies on.
94 Doveoverdover (#) Mar 12th, 2012 - 09:24 pm Report abuse
@93 I do for one so thanks for pandering to my fixation. I'll back off and hope that someone else feels detached enough from the human conflict of this particular area to engage with you about the generalities of worldwide oceanic ecological conservation.
95 Martin Woodhead (#) Mar 12th, 2012 - 09:35 pm Report abuse
Check out this video on YouTube:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBH4g_ua5es&feature=youtube_gdata_player
96 briton (#) Mar 12th, 2012 - 10:05 pm Report abuse
Amazing how knowledgeable these Argies are, and how they find out so many things, that even we did not know about,
I don’t suppose you Argies know who killed JFK do you,
After all, you seem to know everything about us,
Was it the British secret service, or is this just another diversion from the real article, or another distraction .

Justa thought.
.
97 Idlehands (#) Mar 13th, 2012 - 10:13 am Report abuse
Your claims to the Falklands are feeble. Your claims to South Georgia are non-existent
98 lsolde (#) Mar 13th, 2012 - 10:21 am Report abuse
@97 ldlehands,
Sweetly put.
99 Doveoverdover (#) Mar 13th, 2012 - 11:33 am Report abuse
@98 Don't be misled, he's only looking to engage you in a discussion on fish stocks. I'm not even clear whose claims he's rubbishing. Perhaps it's all humanity's claims when compared to the prior claims of the indigenous population of penguins, fish and birds?
100 Conqueror (#) Mar 13th, 2012 - 12:02 pm Report abuse
@88 Good luck. More argie metal on the ocean floor? You know how so much of our equipment is now “smart”? So turn around, bend over, spread 'em and get the best butt f*ck you've ever had. I think we can guarantee it will “blow your mind”.
101 Think (#) Mar 13th, 2012 - 06:37 pm Report abuse
For the ”Ecological responsible, faux indignated Brits”;.... I’ll repeat my post from last year….:

61 Think
Ok….Lets take a rough average of the last 5 years fisheries in the South Atlantic…........................................... shall we?:
Argentina catched ~600,000 tons fish per year in an EEZ zone of ~1,200,000 km2.
That gives a catch of 0.5 tons of fish per km2 per year.

Malvinas catched ~ 200,000 tons fish per year in an EEZ zone of ~140,000 km2.
That gives a catch of 1.42 tons of fish per km2 per year.
In short,……. Malvinas “extracts” nearly 3 times as much fish per square km. than Argentina.

Lets now take the “Per Capita” fish extraction ..............shall we?:
600,000 tons of fish divided by 40,000,000 Argentines: 15 kgs of fish per Argentinean.
200,000 tons of fish divided by 3,000 Mavinas squatters: 66,666 kgs of fish per squatter!

In short,….. Malvinas “extracts” 4,444 times more fish Per Capita than Argentina!
en.mercopress.com/2011/04/07/falklands-skua-population-has-declined-by-almost-half-in-five-years

Quite greedy people those Malvinas squatters, dont you “Think”?
102 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 13th, 2012 - 07:38 pm Report abuse
@101 Malvinas only exists in the greedy minds of the Argentinians. Falklands people aren't squatters, they use sit-down toilets, which is a step up from Argentinians who use one another's mouths whilst shouting 'seig heil' or alternatively do it into a paper bag for Hitler Youth 'Le Camping' to throw at alternatives to KFC mafia.

If you mean squatter as in someone who lives on another person's land, then I guess you're talking about Argentinians. Yes, Argentinians are greedy and love genocide.

Have a nice day!
103 toooldtodieyoung (#) Mar 13th, 2012 - 07:42 pm Report abuse
64 Think and 66 Doveoverdover

You two need to get a room or at the very least, stop flirting with each other and making the rest of us watch. It's making me feel slighty ill and dirty all at the same time.........
104 Idlehands (#) Mar 13th, 2012 - 08:40 pm Report abuse
101 Think

“Caught” not “catched” old boy. It's the 21st century - not the 18th.

As a keen boat owning fisherman I would also like to point out that while your maths may be impeccable (though I haven't actually checked it) the stats and your logic there are meaningless.

It could equally be true that you've plundered your reources so heavily in the past that there are simply fewer stocks to harvest. It should also be noted that fish are not evenly distributed in the seas.

A final point is that it could simply be that Argentines are rubbish fishermen.
105 Think (#) Mar 13th, 2012 - 09:29 pm Report abuse
(104)
As I said before....
Just “Faux Indignation” from you.
As long as they are British, it doesn't matter for you that they catch ~70 tons fish per person per year.

A real “Eco-warrior” you are..........
106 Idlehands (#) Mar 13th, 2012 - 09:44 pm Report abuse
You're making yourself sound really silly now. What possible relevance or relationship is there between the number of fish caught in Falkland waters and the number of Falklanders on the islands? It's a non sequitur.

Following your logic all Falklanders must be enormous eating all those fish but from pictures I've seen they look pretty normal to me. It's simply one of their natural resources.

Labelling me an eco-warrior is laughable - I own three V8s, doubt man made global warming and like my steaks to bleed - but it doesn't stop me seeing the painful truth that the oceans are empty due to man.
107 Think (#) Mar 13th, 2012 - 09:47 pm Report abuse
Yupppppp............................... you are a turnip all right.................
108 Doveoverdover (#) Mar 13th, 2012 - 09:48 pm Report abuse
@103 We tried it but we found we were incompatible. He has some really quite abnormal tendencies and I'm too mean to pay.
109 Think (#) Mar 13th, 2012 - 09:50 pm Report abuse
:-)
110 Doveoverdover (#) Mar 13th, 2012 - 10:03 pm Report abuse
@109 Ah! Back to work at the Malvinas Observatory having had a day off are you? I was wondering if you and your colleagues had seen this -
www.anadarko.com/Investor/Pages/Presentations,Item.aspx?eventid=4732275&eventtitle=Anadarko+Petroleum+Corporation+Investor+Conference
I commend Explorations slide 127 to you if you haven't. You'll like the graphics. Normal it certainly isn't.
111 briton (#) Mar 13th, 2012 - 10:20 pm Report abuse
So if a fish is in the Falklands, its British, and if it swims across the border, then it becomes argentine,

Is it not a truer fact, that if people stopped buying and eating the little fishes,
Then there would be more fish stocks in the sea for ???
All this sounds a bit fishy to me,
But hey, that’s what fingers are for, are they not, lolol.

Justa fishy joka mmm
.
112 Idlehands (#) Mar 13th, 2012 - 10:20 pm Report abuse
107 Think

Come on Think - you can do better than that.
113 Think (#) Mar 14th, 2012 - 05:09 am Report abuse
(110) Mr McDoD

Ista Quidem Vis Est?
Tu Quoque, McDoD, Filii Mei!

I can assure you that I’m just a normal Argentinean, provoked and aggravated out of his previous quasi-total “Malvinas Issue” indifference by the actions of the British government during the past~3 years…………
Just like millions of other Argentineans, Latin-Americans and lately Hollywoodians :-)

I have been called many “names” and accused of being many “things” during my short two years presence in these pages…..

The only epithets I personally ever use in here are the following…:
“Brutish”, when they threaten to nuke my poor little Country…
“Turnips”, when they bore me with their turnipidity…
“Pirates”, when they behave like pirates…
“Squatters”, when they are squatting…

Let’s please keep the assumptions and insults to a minimum, shall we?....

Ps:
We could “Share” the cost of the room………..;-)
114 Doveoverdover (#) Mar 14th, 2012 - 07:39 am Report abuse
@113 and good morning to you too. I never would have thought that being described, even if only obliquely, as a professional analyst and a civil servant in a democratic state would be seen as an insult. So that'll be two wrong assumptions on my part. Still, not all bad news - your keep using Latin means I still have three wishes left.
115 toooldtodieyoung (#) Mar 14th, 2012 - 09:34 am Report abuse
114 Doveoverdover

Do you know any good recipies for Turnips??

I think “Think” could use some, seems quite fixated on them....bless
116 Doveoverdover (#) Mar 14th, 2012 - 11:01 am Report abuse
@115 My thoughts turn to Baldrick.

Blackadder: [Baldrick is applying for Parliament] Minimum bribe level?
Baldrick: One turnip. Oh, hang on, I don't want to price myself out of the market.
117 MistyThink (#) Mar 14th, 2012 - 07:06 pm Report abuse
116

You say :

turnip

I say :

potato......radish....
118 Doveoverdover (#) Mar 14th, 2012 - 09:34 pm Report abuse
@117 Thank you for your value adding contribution. I agree with every word and look forward to even more interventions of this quality and insight.
119 rebeldenacion (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 09:12 am Report abuse
Mad psychotic bitch is the best term for Cristina Fernández de Kirchner the current disaster president of Argentina!
Others around Cristina Kirchner that are also crooks are her vice-president, Amado Boudou, he is actually an owner of the company that prints money for the government in Argentina, a major conflict of interest, but he denies it, he owns the company in the names of other friends and associates. He is being investigated and surely will end up in jail where he belongs. Cristinas 2 VERY UGLY children, Maximo and Florencia Kirchner, are also very corrupt. Maximo owns all kinds of hotels and properties adn Florencia is a film student in New York and lives in a luxury Park Avenue apartment and is known for major cocaine use. Some of us who know her in New York remember how she always used to tell us how her parents have a bank account drawn on the Nation of Argentina and for her family money is no object. These 2 corrupt children of Cristina Kirchner are self proclaimed “militants”, they belong to 2 internal terrorist groups which Cristina Kirchner finances, “La Cámpora” and “Quebracho”. “La Cámpora” goes around to the poor shantytowns around the cities in Argentina and gives the poor people a bag of groceries, a sausage sandwich called “choripan” and $20 pesos to buy their votes. These people have no choice but to accept this as they are extremely poor and have no other hope. “Quebracho” is a terrorist group which Cristina Kirchner pays to protect her, they disguise their faces and go around shaking down businesses to get money and give back to the president. They are also responsible for drug dealing, robberies and murders.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTBAjfgHLyk&feature=relmfu
www.youtube.com/watch?v=azwWSN2pukk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvQw00SV-c
www.ripoffreport.com/government-worker/argentina-tourists-m/argentina-tourists-murdered-l-33f51.htm
www.ripoffreport.com/federal-government/cristina-kirchner/cristina-kirchner-cristina-kir-dc9b0.htm
120 lsolde (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 09:28 am Report abuse
@113Think,
l hope you are provoked & aggravated beyond measure.
l hope that you are really provoked, aggravated & extremely frustrated especially when you see the laden Supertankers enroute from the Falklands to their lucrative markets in Europe, Asia & North America.
Furthermore, l propose that we give these tankers girl's names.
l suggest that to add insult to injury we call the biggest one Malvina.
That should get these malvinistas frothing at the mouth & gnashing their teeth in impotent rage!
Tremendous fun. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
121 Doveoverdover (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 03:00 pm Report abuse
@120 He informed me that there's not enough oil to make exploitation worthwhile even under normal conditions and that he and his colleagues are going to make it anything but normal. I see he's not around at the moment - I assume he's at the office finishing off Herr Timerman's speech announcing sanctions on cooperating banks and companies. These initiatives are coming so thick and fast I can only assume that the Argentinian authorities think some sort of announcement on oil progress is very very imminent. Perhaps they had the Oval Office bugged by the Argentinian under-janitor.
122 Think (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 06:16 pm Report abuse
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123 Doveoverdover (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 07:28 pm Report abuse
@122 Nice day at the office, dear? Can't wait for a full read out.
124 Think (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
(122) Mr McDoD

Please stop calling me dear. At my age (and gender) I find it both disrespectful and inappropriate.

:-)
125 lsolde (#) Mar 16th, 2012 - 09:00 am Report abuse
But you'd let me call you dear, wouldn't you?
Dear, dear Think♥
126 Argie (#) Mar 16th, 2012 - 04:56 pm Report abuse
Dear all (he, he). The first word that came to my mind was 'outrageous'. But now I think that if Argentina does not protect her fishing areas (as it is now), large wog and Europaean fleets will depredate them all, soon. If this 'Protected Area' will instead be cared for, at least as breeding grounds, a large number of species will be saved for the future of all involved.
What my country wants, much to my disbelief, is to play a sort of 'the dog in the manger'.
127 Cero (#) Mar 17th, 2012 - 05:04 am Report abuse
we must recognize that the British are the best,
criminals, of course

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