Thursday, March 15th 2012 - 06:20 UTC

“Self-determination is the right path for the Falkland Islands”

To affirm the Special Relationship, Barack Obama should offer his support to the islanders, writes Jim Sensenbrenner.

Jim Sensenbrenner is a Republican member of the US House of Representatives for the state of Wisconsin

During my recent visit to the Falkland Islands, one of my hosts joked that it has been 180 years since a senior US official visited – the last being Commander Silas Duncan aboard the USS Lexington in 1832. This anecdote is telling, and I am concerned that so few US officials have taken an interest in the Falkland Islands.

As the 30th anniversary of the liberation of the Falklands from the Argentine invasion approaches, the Argentine government has Falklanders worried. Argentine President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner has embargoed ships flying the Falklands flag, encouraged boycotts of British products and accused the British of militarising the South Atlantic. President Kirchner vowed to raise the issue of the Falklands’ sovereignty at the United Nations and hopes to annex the Islands as an Argentine colony, a core component of her political agenda.

Before the Kirchner government pleas to the UN, she should note the issue of self-determination has a long history, and Argentina has a record of defending self-determination before the UN. According to a 2010 UN release, Argentine Senator Rubén Giustiniani called for self-determination of Puerto Rico, stating that “Argentina deemed Puerto Rico’s cause to be its own and reaffirmed the calls for recognition of its right to self-determination”. He also stated that the Argentine Senate fully supported Puerto Rico’s right to self-determination. Clearly, Argentina wants to dictate when self-determination should apply, regardless of the expressed opinion of the affected population. Notably, support for Puerto Rican independence has never received more than 5% of the vote on three separate referendums.

The Obama administration’s official position is that the United Kingdom and Argentina should negotiate the sovereignty of the Falklands. This misguided policy misses the point of the Falklanders’ right to self-determination, a right that the British government has been determined to protect until Falklanders decide otherwise. The issue of sovereignty is a non-starter unless the Falklanders expressly choose to change their current status. The Argentine Constitution contains a provision that states that the Falkland Islands are Argentine, making negotiations tainted from the start.

Before my visit, I thought the Falkland Islands were a colonial backwater. I spent my time in the Falklands learning about the economy, meeting business leaders and factory workers, touring schools and visiting the British defence facility at Mount Pleasant. I saw for myself that Falklanders have a democratic system of government, an effective Chamber of Commerce, produce annual budget surpluses and maintain excellent primary and secondary schools. The Falkland Islands has determined for itself that it wishes to remain associated with Britain. It is not a colonial outpost held hostage by a foreign military.

President Obama should state, unequivocally, that he supports the Falklanders’ right to self-determination. The United Kingdom has granted the Falkland Islands the right to determine their future, and President Obama should give his support to the Falklanders’ rights. Not only would this solidify US support for self-determination, it would reaffirm, again, that America remains committed to our Special Relationship with the United Kingdom – a relationship cemented by the close and long-standing friendships between our countries’ leaders – Roosevelt & Churchill, Reagan & Thatcher, and Clinton and Bush with Tony Blair.

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1 STRATEGICUS (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 06:42 am Report abuse
Good on ya Jim ! I hope to read this article in various US and international news sites as well as the Telegraph .
2 The Falklands are British (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 06:55 am Report abuse
God bless the United States of America!
3 brit abroad (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 07:02 am Report abuse
Wait for all the RG posts telling us how shit he is!
4 Idlehands (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 07:42 am Report abuse
While republicans have somewhat extreme views on matters such as abortion and gun control, at least they are based on principles. They know right from wrong.

Obama does too but he currently prefers to stay silent in his own interests to foster better relations with South America. I'm pretty sure if push came to shove he would feel compelled to support the Falklander/British position.

Argentines always seem to be told “not our problem” but hear “we support your claim to the Falklands” They don't seem to understand the message in international diplomatic language.
5 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 08:24 am Report abuse
In other words, malvinistas only hear what they want to hear and if they don't hear what they want to hear, they make it up.
6 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 08:25 am Report abuse
Three cheers for Jim. Hip-hip Hooray! hip-hip Hooray! Hip-hip Hooray!!

I'm sure the peoples of the Falklands will not forget who their friends are easily.
7 Viscount Falkland (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 08:28 am Report abuse
This could make FCK go mad.....!
8 Room101 (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 08:56 am Report abuse
What is Key to the above is that the United States' Constitution is based on the principle of self- determination. To stray from that is to betray all those that died and suffered defendong it.
Hitler tried to show otherwise. He lost, and certain of his followers found solace in certain South American countries
9 DanyBerger (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 08:58 am Report abuse
“President Obama should state, unequivocally, that he supports the Falklanders’ right to self-determination”

And that will change exactly what? Nothing at all.

Lets see what happen if that happen and Argentina supports Iran's self determination to have nuclear weapons. Would be very funny to see the face of fatty Jim.
10 rebeldenacion (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 09:08 am Report abuse
Mad psychotic bitch is the best term for Cristina Fernández de Kirchner the current disaster president of Argentina!
Others around Cristina Kirchner that are also crooks are her vice-president, Amado Boudou, he is actually an owner of the company that prints money for the government in Argentina, a major conflict of interest, but he denies it, he owns the company in the names of other friends and associates. He is being investigated and surely will end up in jail where he belongs. Cristinas 2 VERY UGLY children, Maximo and Florencia Kirchner, are also very corrupt. Maximo owns all kinds of hotels and properties adn Florencia is a film student in New York and lives in a luxury Park Avenue apartment and is known for major cocaine use. Some of us who know her in New York remember how she always used to tell us how her parents have a bank account drawn on the Nation of Argentina and for her family money is no object. These 2 corrupt children of Cristina Kirchner are self proclaimed “militants”, they belong to 2 internal terrorist groups which Cristina Kirchner finances, “La Cámpora” and “Quebracho”. “La Cámpora” goes around to the poor shantytowns around the cities in Argentina and gives the poor people a bag of groceries, a sausage sandwich called “choripan” and $20 pesos to buy their votes. These people have no choice but to accept this as they are extremely poor and have no other hope. “Quebracho” is a terrorist group which Cristina Kirchner pays to protect her, they disguise their faces and go around shaking down businesses to get money and give back to the president. They are also responsible for drug dealing, robberies and murders.
11 Marcelo Kohen (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 09:15 am Report abuse
With supports like this, from an extreme conservative American MP, the British position will not go too far...
12 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 09:17 am Report abuse
@11 ...according to you.
13 stick up your junta (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 10:19 am Report abuse
With supports like this, Yes and you got wife beating Penn and Rascist Morrissey funny enough strong argie traits

Domestic Violence Deaths Rise 40% in Argentina

Racial Discrimination in Argentina
14 Patriot Games (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 10:29 am Report abuse
Jim, we Salute you! It was great to see a US Representative visiting the Islands, please do not let it take another 180 years before the next visit!
15 LegionNi (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 10:36 am Report abuse
11 Marcelo Kohen (#) “With supports like this, from an extreme conservative American MP, the British position will not go too far...”

Would you not describe the fascist (Peronist) President in charge of Argentina as an extreme nationalist politician?
16 Idlehands (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 10:47 am Report abuse
11 Marcelo Kohen an American congressman is a less influential supporter than Sean Pen and Morrissey?
17 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 10:48 am Report abuse
@ 11.

It will go a whole lot further than Morrissey, Penn and Waters.
18 GALlamosa (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 10:56 am Report abuse
CFK's irrational tirades and illegal attempts at trade blockades to harrass and intimidate the Falklands population have given the Falkland Islanders the platform to explain their position to the world. The moral arguments are very clear; self determination is and must be the bedrock of any discussions about lowering tensions in the SWA. Personal abuse of people with mainstream views on self determination is unlikely to make much contribution to the debate.

Thanks for the opportunity CFK.
19 BritishguyfromLondon (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 11:02 am Report abuse
Lets hope that when another us official visits 180 years from now, the islands will still be british! Long live the Falklands
20 MistyThink (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 11:14 am Report abuse
J.Sensenbrenner says :

The Islandesr have self determination rights.

I say :

St.Croix Chippewa Indians have self determination rights too.
21 Xect (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 11:18 am Report abuse
More good news from the USA with the British Prime Minister also visiting the US president at the same time.

The UK receives support from the most powerful country in the world, Argentina receives support from drunk wife-beating has been pop stars and 3rd world dictators.

You know what they say, you can measure a person by his friends.
22 Lord Ton (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 11:35 am Report abuse
Then let them claim them - Misty !
23 Idlehands (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 11:38 am Report abuse
Dear Mr President

Any chance you could lend us a few of those new earthquake bombs? The sidewinders you gave us in 1982 were very handy but theose look like even more fun.
24 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 11:44 am Report abuse
@ 20

Misty, take a look here will you please?

How many of these people still exist today? They also have rights to self determination.

And whilst I am thinking the thought, I argue that the Falklanders today are the closest you will get, anywhere in the Americas, to a First Nation People still running the show in their own country and despite the best efforts of a much larger expansionist neighbour. Maybe that is what offends a malvinista.
25 ChrisR (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 11:52 am Report abuse
Representative Jim Sensenbrenner has completed a thorough revue of the Falklands (there are no Malvinas) and has made his views known in a well thought out report.

His conclusions are what level headed, thoughful people would expect and can accept safe in the knowledge that histrionics played no part in the process.

Contrast that to the ludicrous position of Argentina: led by a bi-polar woman, clearly unfitted for leadership of a whelk stall nevermind a once great country that now has a population approaching 45M and is the laughing stock of the enlightened world.

I hope and trust that the President of the USA can now bring himself to put personal history behind him and start judging the situation on its merits. That is all, I am sure, that the Islanders have ever wanted from any country.

And the reason for that is that sovereignty, the heart of the issue, undoubtedly rests with the Isalnders.
26 Islas Malvinas (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 12:11 pm Report abuse
Argentina supports the self-determination rights of the British people; not in argentine territory, though. So the right path for the British islanders is to go to self-determine their future in the UK, or stay in Argentina, where they´re more than welcome to stay. :)
27 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 12:20 pm Report abuse
@26 Argentina doesn't support people's rights to self-determination.

Argentina is basically like 1990 Iraq, where it didn't recognise kuwaits rights to self-determination nor it's rights to exploit it's own resources, so it just decided to invade it and annex it. Iraqi media just before the invasion was playing out the same nonsense that the Argentinian media is belching out now.

It's just the iraq-kuwait war all over again.
28 Xect (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 12:27 pm Report abuse
Argentine territory! I think you are confused they aren't in Argentina, they are in the Falklands and selective use of the self-determination principle is not supporting it, you either believe and support it or you don't you can't have it both ways.

The Falkland's do not belong to the UK nor Argentina, they belong to the people of the Falkland islands, plain and simple.
29 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 12:31 pm Report abuse
26 Islas Malvinas (#)


Did somebody say something new or important? No?

Never mind then I'll go back to sleep.

30 Islas Malvinas (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 12:32 pm Report abuse
@27 Argentina supports the self-determination rights of those peoples this concept can be applied to. Argentina recognizes the rights of the islanders, except for this particular one which - as per the UN - cannot be applied to this particular COLONIAL situation that should be resolved by the TWO PARTIES in question.
31 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 12:34 pm Report abuse
30 Islas Malvinas (#)


Oh do shut up I'm trying to sleep.
32 Stefan (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 12:35 pm Report abuse
I'm seeing this get some real attention on the web and I commend Mr. Sensenbrenner for taking the time to go down there and visit the islanders. It's a great shame when a random House member has to go to visit these diplomatically tense areas while our secretary of state cannot be bothered, yet still makes embarrassing gaffes like calling them Malvinas. It seems the republican establishment is in full support of the British, our allies, on this issue, and rightly so.
33 toooldtodieyoung (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 12:54 pm Report abuse
30 Islas Malvinas

Oh I agree that Argentina recognizes the right of the Islanders, I'm sure they do..........for now, if, by some miricle they get their hands on the Falklands then they will suddenly forget everything they agreed to. Passed experience would support me when I say this.

As for resolving this issue, could I suggest that it already has been resolved?

The islands are ours
We did not steal them from anyone
The Islanders ( god bless them ) want to remain British
Argentina can not have them

There!!! Issue resolved!! That was easy wasn't it?
34 BritishLion (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 12:56 pm Report abuse
At last, an American politician that has taken the trouble to learn the facts about the Falkland Islands and make a measured report on his findings. CFK has really scored more home goals than anyone in the realm of politics with her nonsense. Could this be the end of her? Take note you are running out of steam with your lies and bully boy tactics. Leave the Falklands alone or reap what you condemnation!
35 Boovis (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 01:18 pm Report abuse
I still don't understand why Argentinians think they have the right to live in Argentina but the Falklanders don't have the right to live in the Falklands, can an Argentinian explain this for me?
36 aussie sunshine (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 01:23 pm Report abuse
Let me see if I understand this politician.He is saying to put the interest of 2-3thousand islanders in a barren island before the interest of the whole Latin America with a population over 400million and where the US sells its products which keeps Americans employed in The US.
Recognize the Falkands/malvinas upset the Latin Americans and lose your economic and military ties with all these countries. This guy must be one big joker!!
And he compares Puerto Rico with the Falklands/malvinas.First of all the culture and language in Puerto Rico is Spanish. They have more in common with the Latin Countries than with the USA whereas The Falklands/Malvinas the culture is anglosaxon and the ties are with the UK.So it would be common sense to recognise self determination for Puerto Rico.Whreas THe Falklands/Malvinas is a colony of the UK.
How people in the USA vote for these “politicians” I will never understand.He is willing to destroy jobs at home just to support 2.3 thousand islanders on a barren rock. MY!! MY!! MY!! who we elect into power!!
37 Boovis (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 01:35 pm Report abuse
36: yes, you're right, it is the correct thing to do, to do over 3000 people for the sake of short term self interest and a bit of cash, pat yourself on the back for being so moral.
38 aussie sunshine (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 01:41 pm Report abuse
A bit of cash!! LOL. The US is the first investor in Latin America.
Will The US be willing to lose ? Ask the multi nationals who have invested trillions in Latin America and they will tell you what they think of The Falklands/Malvinas!! Capitalism is capitalism!!
39 Boovis (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 01:50 pm Report abuse
The US owes the UK government 845billion euros, we are the 6th largest trading partner and the strongest military ally. South America, however, represents all the US's immigration and drug problems, also the US provides jobs for hundreds of thousands of locals in their factories which they would not be able to replace should the US pull out. China would squash them like a trading bug. SA needs the US more than the other way around, and South America blows hot and cold all the time, going from dictator to moron and back again every few years, whereas the US/UK alliance has stood for almost 100 years. South America could sink into the sea and all the US would do is breathe a sigh of relief.
40 nitrojuan (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 01:51 pm Report abuse
The World have not doubt... “self determination” dont applies to the islanders...(only applies to colonialism wishes)
41 Boovis (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 01:57 pm Report abuse
I repeat: why does Argentina have more right as a nation than the Falkland Islands?
42 Islas Malvinas (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 02:01 pm Report abuse
@33 Yes, very much resolved.

@35 The right of the islanders to live in the islands is not in question. I think you don´t get what the issue is.

@36 You got it.
43 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 02:02 pm Report abuse
@40 The world have no doubt, the UN Charter and UNSCR 502 in reality granted the Islanders the principle of self-determination so that article 51 the need for self defence, could be enacted.

So, if you think they don't have self-determination then you'd better be going back to 1982 and arguing it out with the Security Council.
44 Malvinero1 (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 02:05 pm Report abuse
sensebrenner: the first thing you should do is to loose weigth.The fat has already penetrated your brain....
Shame,1833,Monroe doctrine....Where was the USA then....???
repeat: why does Argentina have more right as a nation than the Falkland Islands? Because MAlvinas is Not a nation.Which country recognizes MAlvinas has a nation?? uk??? uk recognizes Argentine indepedence in 1810,Which included sent a congratulation letter to the newly formed Argentina....
45 aussie sunshine (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 02:08 pm Report abuse
Looking at wikipedia the list of nations that the USA has total trade with Mexico/Brazil/Venezuela alone is worth 589 BILLION TOTAL TRADE.Not counting the rest of Latin America (Argentina/chile(peru/bolivia/uruguay)colombia/and Central America.
and with The UK it is 107 BILLION. Do You think the US would commit suicide backing the sheep herders!! Think Again.
And now with China slowly moving into LAtin America. NO WAY JOSE!!
46 Boovis (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 02:09 pm Report abuse
You included the Malvinas, not Great Britain (the UK did not exist until 1922), So, what you're saying is that if the Falkland Islands declared independence then they would have a right to exist the same as Argentina? (Please use their name in English when using English, and Malvinas in your language, if you speak English write English words, I don't say London instead of Lontoo when I speak Finnish, that's pretentious and arrogant).
47 Islas Malvinas (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 02:10 pm Report abuse
@41 Malvinas is Argentina.

@43 The World recognized no right of self-determination to the islanders. Don´t be blind. Don´t lie.
48 Malvinero1 (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 02:13 pm Report abuse
bug. SA needs the US more than the other way around, and South America blows hot and cold all the time, going from dictator to moron and back again every few years, whereas the US/UK alliance has stood for almost 100 years. South America could sink into the sea and all the US would do is breathe a sigh of relief.
Bovis: You are an ignorant.SA does not need the USA.What for? SA is fully independent.
uk??/ IT IS FINISHED!,Who needs uk for...
UK is FINISHED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just concentrate in the 3 million unemployed in the uk,the 1 trillion debt and the 9 trillion foreign debt....HArdly SA need uk or USA....You are sooo pathetic bovis...
This is what you have to care,it is ticking and growing
You are sooo stupid bovis
49 Lord Ton (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 02:14 pm Report abuse
Blockade - !!
50 Malvinero1 (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 02:18 pm Report abuse
Looking back we can be proud to say that the United Kingdom was the first European country to recognize Argentina’s independence. In the Ambassador’s Residence, we still keep Woodbine Parrish’s trunk. Parrish served as a British diplomat in Buenos Aires between 1825 and 1832. He signed the Treaty of Friendship, Commerce and Navigation with Argentina in February 1825. It was the first treaty signed by the future Argentina Republic with a European country.

You included the Malvinas, not Great Britain (the UK did not exist until 1922), So, what you're saying is that if the Falkland Islands declared independence then they would have a right to exist the same as Argentina? (
Well your embassy, refers as united kingdom.....
Boovis: I sais Malvinas,we never recognized british piracy...
51 Boovis (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 02:18 pm Report abuse
You talk like a child, excuse me for a moment while I give myself a full frontal lobotomy to talk to you on your level. 1) I didn't say anything negative against Argentina so there's no reason for you to come back aggressively like that, if you can't talk normally I suggest you just stay away from discussion boards (not called “aggression boards” please note). 2) You still ignored me, again, so I ask again, if the islands claimed independence then would that make them as legitimate as any other nation? 3) Any national problems of either the UK or Argentina are nothing to do with the island themselves so I'm not sure why you brought it up. Even if the UK was on fire the islanders would still choose the UK over Argentina purely because of Argentina's bullying attitude towards them. What exactly would you do with the islanders if you DID gain the islands? They don't want you, so what then?
52 Islas Malvinas (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 02:24 pm Report abuse
About 2) If the islanders wanted to declare independence, they will hardly gain international recognition and the independece would not take effect. For Latinamerica the islands belong to Argentina. The islands are in Latinamerica.
About the islanders not wanting to be related to Argentina... well, they are in Argentina. They´ll have to deal with it sooner or later.
53 Boovis (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 02:30 pm Report abuse
Thank you for a polite and straightforward answer; The geographical location of the islands in relation to Argentina is debatable, and their being close to South America is not necessarily an issue regarding their culture or language, why can't they be part of South America but keep their culture and current independence?
54 Idlehands (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 02:31 pm Report abuse
50 Malvinero1

It says nothing about the Falklands in your link. Did you just make that bit up and how nobody would read it?

As you didn't turn up in the Falklands until 1833 for a couple of months how does something signed in 1825 relate to that? You hadn't even murdered your way across Tierra del Fuego by then so even that wasn't part of Argentina.
55 J.A. Roberts (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 02:31 pm Report abuse
@aussie sunshine. self determination has nothing to do with ethnicity. The Falkland Islanders have as much right to it as the Puerto Ricans. Anyway, ALL of Latin America has ties with Spain, so by your own logic should be denied self determination and be a colony of Spain... go figure!
56 Idlehands (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 02:43 pm Report abuse
An interesting article that I'm surprised hasn't appeared on Mercopress:

Can't say I agree with the views of Monsignor Jose Maria Arancedo at the end. As bad as the most extreme Republican.
57 Islas Malvinas (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 02:44 pm Report abuse
@53 They can be part of South America - they actualy ARE - and keep their culture. I don´t see a problem with that. There are more British people living (happyly) in Buenos Airtes than in the islands, and no one is trying to make them come argentines. About independence, it won´t be an option Latinamerica will take in consideration.
58 aussie sunshine (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 02:45 pm Report abuse
@46 The UN Charter states that when refering to these islands in either written or spoken form the /Falklands/Malvinas must be used.

But I see you are not are diplomat so I pardon your ignorance.
59 Boovis (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 02:52 pm Report abuse
It actually states it should be” falklands (malvinas)“ in english and ”malvinas (falklands)” in hispanic languages.
60 Marcos Alejandro (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 03:01 pm Report abuse
Bloody hell, the kelpers cound't find anybody else to bribe?
Let me tell you if you hope to convince Mr Obama to stop supporting Argentina you should consider bribing someone who doesn't insult his wife.

“I regret my inappropriate comment and I have sent a personal note to the first lady apologizing,” the U.S. representative(Jim Sensenbrenner ) from Wisconsin said in a statement released to the media.
61 Idlehands (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 03:06 pm Report abuse
Obama doesn't support Argentine claims to the Falklands - that's just one of the examples of Argentina hearing what they want to hear.

He's been neutral on the subject.
62 Xect (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 03:07 pm Report abuse
Aussie sunshine you are a simpleton with economics. You mention 589 billion in trade but conveniently forget to tell everyone Mexico is 475 billion of that number which is a North American country.

Also remind me why Mexico would concern itself with the Falklands?

And if you want to go boasting stats the EU trades over 570 billion with the USA and unlike my example these countries all reside in the same continent.

Besides Argentina has no real support on the issue other than some meaningless policies around which flag a ship is flying and if you think other SA countries are willing to commit financial suicide by not working with the US for the Argentina over the Falkland islands you truly are deluded.
63 aussie sunshine (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 03:08 pm Report abuse
@59 great! we agree on something!!
progress has been made. If Only Argentina and Great Britain could do the same!! Don¨t you think??
64 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 03:11 pm Report abuse
@63 depends what the agreement is (Argentina cannot agree on not sovereignty, UK will not discuss sovereignty).
65 Marcos Alejandro (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 03:12 pm Report abuse
61 Idlehands “that's just one of the examples of Argentina hearing what they want to hear”
Ok then, so what is Nile Gardiner talking about?

“Barack Obama's shameless Falklands betrayal will overshadow David Cameron’s Washington visit”
66 honoria (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 03:14 pm Report abuse
@ 30 Falkland Islands (there is no Islas Malvinas)
Thanks for your offer that Falkland Islanders can stay in Argentina, but what with the invasion and the appalling way your soldiers treated Falkland Islands people (I assume Argentina has never heard of the Geneva Convention) and following this up with 30 years of harrassment, economic aggression, bullying and insults, I am sure you will understand if we say no thank you. But do ask us again when you become a civilised country that we would be pleased to be associated with.

And by the way, the Falkland Islands are not a colony although Argentina would like To make us one. We are a self governing territory of Great Britain and very happy to remain so.

@ 36 aussie sunshine
If your morals extended further than your wallet, you would recall that principles apply equally.
67 PirateLove (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 03:20 pm Report abuse
News just in, Argentina sanctioning banks and companies involved with co-operation with the Falklands oil drilling companies form immediate affect
68 Idlehands (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 03:28 pm Report abuse
65 Marcos Alejandro

The betrayal is staying neutral rather than supporting the UK unconditionally. A classic example of an Argentine hearing what he wants to hear. Read your own link!!!!!
69 Islas Malvinas (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 03:33 pm Report abuse
@66 Welc!
About the invasion: It was meant (stupidily) to force the UK negotiate the handover. About the way islanders were treated, most argentines condem any inappropriate treatment (if something as such occured). About the 30 years of “harassment, economic agression”... you´re exploiting Argentines resources, don´t expect Argentina to accept that ever.
About the bordening supidity argument that Argentina wants to make Malvinas a colony... thats a lie coming from the UK government showing their desperation and lack of arguments. Malvinas is an intergral part of the argentine territory, part of Tierra del Fuego Provice... it´s jurisdictional status has nothing to do with colonialism. The UK hands on the islands are more colonial. As per UN: ”Malvinas: particular COLONIAL situation. A NON-SELF GOVERNING territory.
70 PirateLove (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 03:34 pm Report abuse
The latest sanctions by the Argentine Govt. on Oil companies is yet another attempt at dragging the UK into an allout slanging match over The Falklands to draw world attention.
continual SILENCE is the UKs best weapon against such acts, let them hang themselves, they hate the SILENCE..............................
71 Marcos Alejandro (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 03:36 pm Report abuse
68 Idlehands
I did read it, but I don't care much about what agent Nile says.
Who call your government “de facto” lately?

“Fresh Out of the Oven”
“Argentina to sanction banks, companies backing Malvinas oil drills”
72 MistyThink (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 03:42 pm Report abuse
from ( 1) ....up to my this comment
say you (radish) all
what and to horates what ing to gloving wotese ...........

I say :

Absorbtion is the secret enemy ,to transfer all of us into the taboo.Avoiding all the levels those religious evils.What yields nothing is a sublimation of the sexual instincts.
73 egarcia1970 (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 03:44 pm Report abuse
@69: “Malvinas is an intergral part of the argentine territory, part of Tierra del Fuego Provice”

Why? Tierra del Fuego didn't even exist as a part of Argentina until 1884 and was not a province until 1991. The Falkland Islands as a political entity largely predates it.
74 Islas Malvinas (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 03:50 pm Report abuse
@73 British ilegal occupation clearly predates the creation of Tierra del Fuego Province. That´s right. But Malvinas is part of Argentina before 1833 and are part of Tierra del Fuego Province since 1991. The status of Argentines territories along history has nothing to do with Argentine rights over the islands.
75 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 03:58 pm Report abuse
@69 and @74 sound just like the noises that Iraq was making before it invaded Kuwait. “They're stealing our resources” or our economy has failed and we have run out of money.

I'd give it about a year before they invade again.

@71 No one cares. Why would any banks want to work in Argentina where people don't want their money dwindling away in rampant inflation. You think BP or anyone else care given the way YPF-Repsol is being treated?

Seriously, that's some sh!t news.
76 egarcia1970 (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 04:04 pm Report abuse
@74 “But Malvinas is part of Argentina before 1833”

Again, why? Just because an old geezer at Rome “divided” the world between Portugal and Spain in 1493, and we “inherited” this dubious sovereignty claim from the latter empire in 1810? This fairytale might serve to indoctrinate young schoolchildren whose critical thinking skills have not yet developed (I was one of those children, and probably you too) but I'm an adult and a freethinker now, thank you very much. I honestly believe none of the Argentine arguments on Falkland's sovereignty hold much water.
77 Idlehands (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 04:06 pm Report abuse
74 Islas Malvinas

Let's pass a law.

The Sun, the Moon and all the other planets in the solar system are territory of the UK.

Hell let's throw in the rest of the Milky Way too.

Andromeda is there for the taking as well.
78 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 04:09 pm Report abuse
@76 They don't seem to get the point that a papal bull means nothing to the UK. The concept of having a non-papist society seems completely alien to them.

@71 I just flicked through a book on Argentinian banking and let's be fair, they have very little penetration, business transactions are typically performed in a third country e.g. Uruguay and the main banks in Argentina are national entities such as Banco de la Nación Argentina. What Timerman is suggesting is going to have no impact on anyone. Sorry.
79 Frank (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 04:09 pm Report abuse
@74 'are part of Tierra del Fuego Province since 1991'
In your dreams, Diego....
80 Anti-Fascist (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 04:11 pm Report abuse
74 Islas Malvinas

Argentina didn't even exist at the time of your claim in 1823.

If we all dug up territorial claims from our history, Britain could claim Argentina. Germany could claim Poland. Russia could claim most of Central Asia. France could claim half of Africa. Spain could claim virtually all of Latin America.

The fact is Argentina has a fascist Peronist government - employing the three pillars of fascism, nationalism, socialism and corporatism and using the Falklands as a theatrical side show to distract the public from a failing economy and hyper inflation. Much the same way as Hitler used the Jews, or Mugabe uses the whites. An appeal to nationalism is an appeal to the lowest of all base instincts, the tribe, us against them. That Argentina is fixated on some tiny wind swept and barren islands in the South Atlantic is a testament to their lack of maturity and their general lack of democracy.

Politics in Argentina is a ball game played between Peronists, all competing for the largest share of the nationalist vote. When that fails, as it so often has, the military take over and kill a bunch of people!

A fascist government, with the blood of up to 100,000 of your own people on their hands invading a small group of islands against the will of the people who live there, in violation of international law and British sovereignty, in a war that was meant to be a coup de main, without opposition and which you lost - is not something to be proud of.

Sadly a large number of Argentines prefer to weep over the bodies of the same military that killed their brothers, sisters, sons and daughters, after they raped and tortured them. Thrown off the backs off C-130's into the Atlantic, with no known grave. They weep over the same military they castigated for their failure in 1982. They weep over the same soldiers starved to death by their officers, beaten unconscious by their NCO's and spat on by a vicious nationalistic public on their return. Nationalism
81 zethe (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 04:11 pm Report abuse
“Malvinas a colony... thats a lie coming from the UK government showing their desperation and lack of arguments. Malvinas is an intergral part of the argentine territory”

Just because you was taught so at school does not make it true. No land mass in the world 300 miles away from your shoreline is considered integral. - In international law i believe it's 12 miles maximum a landmass can be from your shoreline and not be classified as overseas.

The islands are overseas to Argentina, this is a fact.

“has nothing to do with colonialism”

Have you ever looked up the definition?

colonialism [kəˈləʊnɪəˌlɪzəm]
(Government, Politics & Diplomacy) the policy and practice of a power in extending control over weaker peoples or areas. Also called imperialism.

This is exactly what Argentina wants to do to the islands.

“Malvinas is an intergral part”

Going back to this. In the entire history of Argentina. Argentina has “owned” the islands for an entire whopping six or so years. To state that these six years(back before Argentinas boarders were even settled) make it an integral part of your nation is stretching the truth a bit, don't you think?

I mean. the islanders have been there coming 200 years(Longer than anyone in history). Yet, these six years somehow give Argentina right over them? Please.
82 Patriot Games (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 04:20 pm Report abuse
Hey guys, the Falkland Island people do have the right to self determination, I know you do not like the fact but that the way it is. I think in Argentina you also need to learn a little fact, in 1982, you Argentina invaded the Falkland Islands. There was a war and guess what, not re-writing history here but you lost the war, yes you surrendered. General Menendez held up that little white flag and said enough was enough. Bearing in mind you lost the war and also the fact that the Falkland Islands was British (1833), long before you were even a Republic (1871) I suggest you all get back under the rock you have crawled from, read what actually is going on in your own country and let the Falkland Islanders lead their own lives. Ciao Amigo!!
83 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 04:22 pm Report abuse
If the UN is now just supporting geo-global nihilism where anyone gets whatever they want just because 'they wants it' like Argentina, then can we have Normandy and most of France back? I wants it.
84 so_far (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 04:57 pm Report abuse
#54 Idlehands

About the treaty of Friednship that UK sign with Argentina in 1825 you say:

“...As you didn't turn up in the Falklands until 1833 for a couple of months how does something signed in 1825 relate to that?.”

Well, cleary you didn´t research or study enough.....Las provincias unidas del Rio de la Plata (Argentina) took possession of the islands in 1821 in important act which had numerous witeness of various nationalities.

That main news were published in important news media in the U.S. UK, Spain and of course Argentina.

1 ) Times of London August 3, 1821.

“ Marine Colonel David Jewett took office posession in Malvinas Islands on behalf of the United Provinces of Río de la Plata in a ceremony carried out publicly in Puerto Soledad, with sealers and whalers of different nationalities, including American and British. ”

2) “Salem Gazette” , Massachussetts, United States USA 8 Jun 1821.

3) “El Semanario de Cádiz”, Spain 9 Nov 1821.

4) “Diario Argos”, 10 Nov 1821

In all cases....Britain didn´t made any comments or objection....rather they sign the treaty of peace and Friednship in 1825

but in 1833 totally unexpected a British pirate officer took the islands by force expelling the very complete Argentinean population whose living in peace in Malvinas and generate this controversy until today.

85 xbarilox (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 04:57 pm Report abuse
@ 9 what a coward, Malvinista. Have some dignity. Sos un loser che. Da asquito leerte.

@ 74 what a loser! Sos tan idiota útil, que no te das cuenta de que sos un NAZI y un Fascista. ¿Realmente creés que el mundo se va a poner a los pies de ustedes, pelotudo? Malvinista das asco.
86 so_far (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 05:11 pm Report abuse
#60 Lol Marcos, i see this fatty is a trasure in the US congress....

que gordo pelotudo

87 BritishLion (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 06:16 pm Report abuse
Within hours of this fresh story breaking about the visit of Jim Sensenbenner to the Falkland Islands the bloggs have once again developed into the same old cods wallop for every other story with links to the islands all dripping and whining about what happened/never happened/could of happened, imagined happened 200 years ago or what ever. For Gods sake, listen to the facts that matter at all and this simply is what the inhabitants of the islands want, have always wanted and thats it. The rest of you can go and screw yourselves... you don't matter, what you say don't matter and why you are all getting so worked up about is beyond most of us. The Falklands are BRITISH because the people that live there want them to be so. End of where is my whiskey, there thats better!
88 geo (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 06:30 pm Report abuse
** 82 Patriot

You say that the Islanders do have self determination rights ...!!

Are there any blockers to their self determination rights decleration !!
They wait whom !!
89 Conqueror (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 06:50 pm Report abuse
@36 Poor convict. Sticking up for fellow criminals, eh?
@40 No. You psychos have one opinion. Everyone else has another. The ones that seem to agree with you are the ones who are going to steal the ground from under your feet.
@42 You missed it.
@44 Did you list your territories in 1810?
@45 This is easy. Mexico doesn't dare upset the U.S. The U.S. already hates Venezuela.
@47 Nope. Doesn't matter how many times you say it, still ain't so! And “The World” hasn't been asked.
@48 Poor child. You think the UK is finished? Off you go then. Have another invasion. How many would you like to lose this time? 6,000? 16,000? 160,000? 1,600,000? 16,000,000? The Britain you face now isn't the Britain you faced in '82. Next time, if you dare, the British people will demand unrestricted war. Military facilities. Industries. Cities. No prisoners.
@52 You seem to have lost track of the concept that when a nation declares independence, IT declares its associations and affiliations. And you can say what you want, but the big expanse of liquid stuff says that the Falklands are NOT part of argieland.
@57 Then Latin America will have to “learn”!
@60 And you picked ageing second rate actors and instrument players?
@69 Inappropriate treatment? That would be like argie animals shitting in people's baths, beds, on furniture and so forth? Have you mentioned the 400 miles of sea between the Falklands and argieland? You say “non self-governing”. We say “SELF_GOVERNING”.
@71 More breaches of the UN Charter.
@74 In your dreams.
@84 Jewett was a pirate. Therefore unable to perform any legitimate action. Unfortunately, for you, the British Royal Navy officer that ejected the illegal UP garrison was properly and legitimately acting in accordance with his orders from the Admiralty.
@86 What's a “trasure”? More illiterate, uneducated argie scum.
90 geo (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 06:54 pm Report abuse
I see the bluff !! ......the declaration of self determination !!
91 Marcos Alejandro (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 07:01 pm Report abuse
86 so_far “#60 Lol Marcos, i see this fatty is a trasure in the US congress....”

Yes , kelpers will receive a “pooping reindeer”shortly for bribing this guy :-)

“Big Jim Sensenbrenner, Wisconsin Congressman from hell”

“Sensenbrenner says, ”I gave him for Christmas, a pooping reindeer that pooped out brown candy...I got the cow-talytic converter, because we spent thousands of tax payer dollars trying to investigate bovine flatulence, and we know a lot about that in Wisconsin.
That explains a lot. Heartless Jim Sensenbrenner -- the guy who voted against relief for hurricane victims in New Orleans -- would throw grandma out of the lift raft in a second. Maybe he's the brains behind Ryan's Medicare plan, otherwise known as the Republican Road to Ruin”
92 Alexei (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 07:08 pm Report abuse
Ill informed idiots like Sean Penn and Malvinas Morrissey should educate themselves by following Mr. Sensenbrenner's excellent example, learning the facts and visiting Argentina's intended victims, rather than trying to be 'edgy' and controversial, pathetically courting publicity by sucking up to the partisan kiddies in Córdoba or sycophantically kissing KFC's arse at the Cassa Rosada. God bless Mr. Sensenbrenner for his integrity and decency.
93 Marcos Alejandro (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 07:17 pm Report abuse
92 “God bless Mr. Sensenbrenner for his integrity and decency”
Excuse me for a minute....HAHAHAHAHA
94 The Falklands are British (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 07:17 pm Report abuse
92 Alexi

I couldn't agree more.
95 geo (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 07:19 pm Report abuse
What a black propaganda !! by covering down the past time reality acts like as :..................
The Islanders were granted to full UK citizenship from the date of 1January/1983 under the -- British Nationality Act( F.I) 1983.
This means that if the islanders have -- self determination rights-- then
The Scots/Welsh/N.Irish naturally should have -- the full independence rights--.

what a circus !!
96 so_far (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 07:21 pm Report abuse
#92 Alexei

“...bless Mr. Sensenbrenner for his integrity and decency.”

see post #60 for figure out who is Mr Sensenbrenner

Alexei seem confused interpreting facts , please make an effort...
97 The Falklands are British (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 07:22 pm Report abuse
95 Geo

I beg your pardon but what are you trying to say?
98 zulu99 (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 07:29 pm Report abuse
@20 I'm not sure what the point of your post was. The St. Croix Chippewa Tribe is a sovereign nation residing within U.S. borders. This is just like the Navajo Nation, the Southern Ute Indian Tribe, Ute Mountain Utes, etc. etc.
99 so_far (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 07:30 pm Report abuse
#66 honoria

You say...

“....the Falkland Islands are not a colony although Argentina would like To make us one. We are a self governing territory of Great Britain and very happy to remain so. ” so tired to repeat that UN -United Nations and the whole world don´t see you that´re only fooling yourselves, nobody bealieve you...please STOP with this LIE...Malvinas is NON self governing territory and is present in the list of territories for be des-colonization..ERGO...Malvinas is a COLONY.

Im so bored of repeat this adn show FACTS, don you have a decent school there or still Fowler continue brainwasing your closesd and “particular” minds ??

time to grow up !!!!
100 Alexei (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 07:58 pm Report abuse
Argentina wants to colonise Islands more than 300 miles away. The inhabitants of those islands complain. So Argentina goes bleating to, of all places, the United Nations Decolonisation Committee. Don't Argentineans understand irony?
101 Frank (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 08:03 pm Report abuse
@99 *If* we accept that the Falklands ( there are no Malvinas) are a colony then they must be given independence when they are ready for it. They most definitely must not be handed over to another colonial power.
102 Alexei (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 08:08 pm Report abuse
@96 so_far Erm... “Jim Sensenbrenner is a Republican member of the US House of Representatives for the state of Wisconsin”

Again, he's absolutely right, Michelle Obama does have a big arse, a little undiplomatic of him to point it out, but a fact's a fact :
103 so_far (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 08:09 pm Report abuse
#100 Alexei...still u don´t get it...

Argentina don´t need to colonise anything.......doubt a single argentinean wish to live in those cursed rocks....

The problem (recognized by UN) is only concerning sovereignty between AR and UK over the Islands.

Thats all....even when the solution and agreement will reached, the same british colony will continue their lives in the same place without a single problem.

Please, don´t mix apples with it ?? ,ochi horosho, spasibo
104 Tommy (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 08:09 pm Report abuse
99 so_far

You guys drink a lot of your own cool aid, don't you! So exactly what did the UN tell you guys in 1982? The UN stands for self determination, that includes the right of territory's such as Puerto Rico, Guam and the US Virgin Islands to choose to be self governing territories of the United States, or territories such as French Guiana, New Caledonia, Tahiti, etc to be French Overseas Departments or self governing territories. It also allows and protects the status of the Falkland Islands to be a self governing overseas territory of the UK.

The UN does not legislate against such territories. Argentina makes a lot of noise because your nation wants to force the people of the Falklands to accept Argentine rule, that is neo colonialism, which is akin to Neo Fascism, territorial expansionism.

People don't realize just how dangerous your country is to the region. The problem with any nation that engages its populace in a fanatical drive at national expansion is that the more illogical the demands, the more fanatical the people become, to the extend that soon all control is lost and war begins. I am writing to every congressman and senator in my country to make them as aware as Jim Sensenbrenner is of the situation.
105 Monty69 (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 08:12 pm Report abuse
Anyway, this is a bit by the way, but did anyone hear our chaps and chapesses on BBC World Have Your Say this afternoon? They were really great and did us all proud.
106 AndyMac (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 08:22 pm Report abuse
105 Monty69

And here is the link to our guys :)
107 The Cestrian (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 08:33 pm Report abuse

the Falklands is not a colony and the UN Decolonisation committee is now pretty much defunct as there is nothing left that needs to be decolonised. It is now a forum for south american dictatorships and marxist troublemaking countries around the world to rant about “coonisation”, “imperialism” every two minutes and plead victims in absolutely everything.

they hate the likes of the US, Uk and any state that is better than them and blame all of their problems on the likes of the UK as a nice side step from their own deficiencies and crappy corporate governance.

The US and UK no longer attend the UN DC as it no longer has any relevance. It should be now wound up.
108 Marcos Alejandro (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 08:35 pm Report abuse
There are so many Argentineans the last few weeks on Malvinas that we could call for self-determination.
109 so_far (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 08:36 pm Report abuse
#104 Tommy.

you say....

“..The UN stands for self determination..........It also allows and protects the status of the Falkland Islands to be a self governing overseas territory of the UK.”

- I humbly ask you understand that Malvinas is in the list of NON self governing territory list from UN and THATS is how the whole world see Malvinas status ?

- I humbly ask you you undersatnd what C-24 DES-COLONIZATION COMITEE means and his main purpose ??

TIP : the main purpose is..... “ The Special Committee annually reviews the list of Territories to which the Declaration is applicable and makes recommendations as to its implementation”

- I humbly ask you....did you see those 30 recommendations from UN and C-24 about Malvinas issue ??

- I humbly ask you....did you see just a single reference in those 30 UN resolutions that british citizen from Malvinas could use self-determination o rather all the time recommend only to find a solution between AR-UK about the sovereignty over the Islands ??

- I humbly ask you please read again the oficial UN site and think about it....
110 The Cestrian (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 08:41 pm Report abuse

you are not listening. The UN Dc is now not necessary. there are no longer any colonies left in the world.

the FI are a self governing British overseas dependancy who wish to remain so.

A colony is an entity controlled by another state under duress. This does not apply to the FI.

THE UNDC is defunct. It has no credibility left. It should be disbanded.
111 Conqueror (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 08:52 pm Report abuse
@90 Count 1 sh*tferbrains.
@91 Count 2 sh*tferbrains.
@93 Count 3 sh*tferbrains.
@95 Count 4 sh*tferbrains.
@96 Count 5 sh*tferbrains.
@99 The so-called “UN” is irrelevant. Please quit quoting irrelevant organisations.
@103 You don't plan to change anything? So f*ck off!
@108 You need to be human and have intelligence first!
@109 Please don't be humble. The UN sees the Falklands as a non self-governing territory? How would they know? Despite invitations they've never been there. I don't give a stuff for the C24 south american lackeys. Nothing the C24 does is relevant. You refer to UNGA resolutions and C24 draft resolutions. All irrelevant.

I humbly ask you to refer to statements of the British government and decide how and when you want to die..........

112 Islas Malvinas (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 09:00 pm Report abuse
A nervocalm for my friend @111, anyone?
113 STRATEGICUS (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 09:02 pm Report abuse
US supports 'status quo' regarding the status of the Falkland Islands.
I hope Obama gives Hilary Clinton new instructions to put brain in gear before opening mouth and giving the Argies straws to clutch at.
114 Idlehands (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 09:06 pm Report abuse
103 so_far

This post highlights what this is all about from an argentine perspective. It's not about natural resources or wanting to turf the islanders off or even a desire to live there themselves.

It's about pride. As political leaders have used it as a tool for internal political purposes - from way before the war - it's become ingrained in the Argentine psyche to almost mythological status. It's been taught in schools that Argentina has had something stolen from them. No British child is taught anything about the place. The war itself was for domestic purposes and the only result was to magnify the humiliation and sense of loss tenfold.

It seems that planting a flag on the Falklands (and doing little else) will somehow make up for their loss and humiliation by proving they were right all along. Reducing the conflict to a battle within a war they finally won

Argentina needs a dose of mature political leadership and to stop living in the past. It is an enormous country with huge natural resources and yet after 200 years of independence it is still not part of the developed world. Argentina and Argentines should be rich and yet they have not been able grasp the opportunities they have.

Brazil was much the same but in the last 20 years has progressed enough that even with a marxist guerilla at the helm they command more respect on the world stage.

Stop fretting over a pile of rocks that will serve you no purpose. What's more important? That you have a good income and a prosperous developed nation or that you go to the falklands, cock your leg, and take a leak?

It's much the same as what the Americans did on the moon.

As it can't happen without the islanders consent the actions of the CFK regime can only compound your misery with this atagonistic approach that seems to be giving you false hope.It makes no rational sense to anyone not schooled in the Argentine academy of patriotism and self identity.
115 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 09:13 pm Report abuse
@109 The UN Special Committee on Decolonisation (C24) has pretty much no remit, and the remit it has it acts beyond. It's certainly not it's purpose to discuss the transfer of sovereignty from one country to another, that's not even in the remit of the UN.

The UN C24 is an anachronism, it exists for no purpose other than to let crypto-nazi countries like Argentina wring their greedy hands over other people's territory. This is precisely why no good countries engage with it.

When the Argentinians ignored UNSCR 502 they became delinquent in the eyes of the UN GA. UNSCR 502 provided the Falklands people with self-determination insofar as they were allowed self-defence as provided in Article 51 of the charter.

There aren't 30 Resolutions giving reference to the Falklands.

There aren't any islands called Malvinas, and only one country called Mar Mierda.
116 Alexei (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 09:14 pm Report abuse
@103 Bull***t! Are you old enough to remember what happened last time your heroic forces invaded the Falkland Islands? They terrorised and traumatised the islanders. Although by the usual standards of behaviour of the Argentine military they got off lightly in the 74 days they were under the heel of the junta. Are we now supposed to believe that, having established “soberanía” and made their point, the Argentine military would have withdrawn and left their victims to live in peace. Not a chance. If British forces had not liberated the Falkland Islands; colonisers would have been brought from Argentina to ethnically cleanse the islands. The islanders are the ones who directly experienced the joys of living under Argentine rule, and by all accounts, they didn't much care for it, and don't seem to want to repeat the experience.

Anybody got any specifics regarding Argentine post-conquest plans for re-colonisation of the Falkland Islands? Or were they just going to turn them into a lovely nature reserve like these?
117 Pugol-H (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 09:18 pm Report abuse
How important or not Mr Sensenbrenner’s comments are, will largely depend on who the next occupant of the White House is.
118 The Falklands are British (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
103 so far

What a pointless and childless stance you take. You are like a small child who can't get a turn with the bat. Maybe you are the epitome of an Argentine. Is this all about principle and pride for you? Dear oh dear. Get over it and get a life. Support a charity that helps the starving children or something. You have no idea how silly and self-centred you look do you?
119 Xect (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 09:33 pm Report abuse
I do find it funny all of these Argentine posters stating self-determination doesn't apply or somehow they were wronged 200 years ago when they invaded the islands.

You really couldn't make up that level of lunacy.

And when is all said and done the land still belongs to that of the Falkland people and is protected by the might of Britain where there is nobody in SA that has the power or the motivation to challenge the UK outside of Argentina.

So what we are left with are a bunch of small minded idiots who want to ethnically cleanse an island they have invaded several times and have no legal or morale right too.

Its times like these we realise how important it is that the UK can crush Argentina at will either politically, economically or using military force.

I hope one day the Argentine people will develop a level of decency, respect and honesty so they can proposer in their region as opposed to their current self-destructive ways.
120 The Falklands are British (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
119 Xect

Standby to be reminded of all British atrocities and to get told to learn history. As this these Argies think they own the licence for historical education.

Frankly, like you I suspect, I don't give a damn about what happened 200 years ago. So I guess you and I BOTH are about to be told about all of Britain's atrocities and to learn some history.

Chuckle chuckle.
121 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 09:42 pm Report abuse
@119 Not likely to happen.
122 Steve-32-uk (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 10:09 pm Report abuse
Looks like things are getting more serious. Chances of another war are increasing by the day.
123 Alexei (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 10:19 pm Report abuse
@122 Steve-32-uk I suppose KFC, like Eva Braun, feels she's got nothing to lose, she'll take Argentina down with her.
124 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 10:52 pm Report abuse
@123 You're not wrong. She's gone and got herself stuck in a corner, all the cash going to Le Camping... nothing being made.
125 briton (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 10:56 pm Report abuse
“President Obama should state, unequivocally, that he supports the Falklanders’ right to self-determination”

And that will change exactly what? Nothing at all. [wanna bet]]

Let’s see what happen if that happen and Argentina supports Iran's self determination to have nuclear weapons
[. Nothing would happen at all, unless of course Argentina is willing to send military help to IRAN ]
Now that would be an eye opener would it not .
126 Pirat-Hunter (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 11:09 pm Report abuse
As an Argentine I support british illegal alien self determination in UK ASAP, if UK doesn't want this pest in UK why should Argentina take care of this pesty anarchists.
127 Malvinero (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 11:19 pm Report abuse

It should draw attention, moreover, on the low seriousness with which Britain is shielded behind this principle.

First, self-determination does not apply in the case of kelpers because they are not a national but subjugated subjects implanted by the colonial power.

Second, we see only a few examples of the twentieth century show how Britain proceeded in other cases according to this principle: in the case of Banaba Island ousted the British three thousand inhabitants to permit the activities of the British Commission Phosphate. Many years later, after a scandalous legal process, the British government agreed to compensate them with an amount equivalent to three pounds per capita per year of exile.

There is also the case of Diego Garcia, where the British expelled more than 2,000 people to rent you the island to the U.S. to integrate its system of global nuclear bases. Hence also the perpetual subjugation of self-determination of the islanders was “compensated” with another lean compensation ... (Arthur Gavshon and D. Rice, “Sinking on Belgrano”, London, 1984).
128 markd (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 11:19 pm Report abuse
A well written article, its good to see we still have friends in America. I'm personally a bit disappointed with Obama, hopefully the next president will treat his friends a bit better.
129 briton (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 11:36 pm Report abuse
so do we all.
130 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 11:41 pm Report abuse
I'll agree to that. But it's better the USA stays out of it, you don't need the world getting polarised by some issue this small. Better the USA and UK just focus on growth at the minute.

Regardless of how big an issue the Argies think it is.
131 Marcos Alejandro (#) Mar 15th, 2012 - 11:49 pm Report abuse
Yes USA and UK just focus on growth at the minute, the clown above needs a job in the US and Malvinas belong to Argentina anyway.
132 briton (#) Mar 16th, 2012 - 12:07 am Report abuse
does not clowns have a job, entertaining fools,
[130] happens to be correct, we dont need American help with the british falklands,
but sadly it seems you guys need help in finding this myth called malvinas, is it a planet perhaps, and you guys are looking on the wrong planet . have you tried venus lol.
133 rebeldenacion (#) Mar 16th, 2012 - 12:34 am Report abuse
Mad psychotic bitch is the best term for Cristina Fernández de Kirchner the current disaster president of Argentina!
Others around Cristina Kirchner that are also crooks are her vice-president, Amado Boudou, he is actually an owner of the company that prints money for the government in Argentina, a major conflict of interest, but he denies it, he owns the company in the names of other friends and associates. He is being investigated and surely will end up in jail where he belongs. Cristinas 2 VERY UGLY children, Maximo and Florencia Kirchner, are also very corrupt. Maximo owns all kinds of hotels and properties adn Florencia is a film student in New York and lives in a luxury Park Avenue apartment and is known for major cocaine use. Some of us who know her in New York remember how she always used to tell us how her parents have a bank account drawn on the Nation of Argentina and for her family money is no object. These 2 corrupt children of Cristina Kirchner are self proclaimed “militants”, they belong to 2 internal terrorist groups which Cristina Kirchner finances, “La Cámpora” and “Quebracho”. “La Cámpora” goes around to the poor shantytowns around the cities in Argentina and gives the poor people a bag of groceries, a sausage sandwich called “choripan” and $20 pesos to buy their votes. These people have no choice but to accept this as they are extremely poor and have no other hope. “Quebracho” is a terrorist group which Cristina Kirchner pays to protect her, they disguise their faces and go around shaking down businesses to get money and give back to the president. They are also responsible for drug dealing, robberies and murders.
134 brit abroad (#) Mar 16th, 2012 - 12:50 am Report abuse

I am so happy your back :-) I think i can speak for most of us here and say “we missed you”

Still playing with worms??
135 CameronHighlander (#) Mar 16th, 2012 - 12:52 am Report abuse
Go to hell Nazi's
136 Deebles (#) Mar 16th, 2012 - 01:16 am Report abuse

Another war? I doubt it. They simply don't have the military to do it with, and more than are ideologically anti-junta enough not to want to repeat the junta's mistakes. But with those threats, I'm expecting all manner of hostility just short of war from this administration. And all for what? To say “if we can't reap any rewards, neither can anybody else”? Sheer pointless spite.
137 LuisM (#) Mar 16th, 2012 - 01:32 am Report abuse
Most leaders around the world do not even know were the Falkland Islands are, and they care little about its status. This is why Argentina got some support on their claim over the FI, by exploiting the understandable lack of information. South American countries support the claim at a soft, diplomatic level but no SA country, at my knowledge, is supporting Argentinian claim badly enough to send a single soldier. The main risk to the islanders lies away SA, on weapon traders and muslin fanatics.

Self-determination; it sounds very good, almost magical. But it is not magical, it require that the self-determined people actively defend and protect their cause. The Islanders, not Obama or Cameron, must take the lead on claiming this right.
138 arealist (#) Mar 16th, 2012 - 01:46 am Report abuse
@36 Aussie Sunshine, you totally contradict yourself with that statement. If Puerto Rico has the right to self determination, due to the cultural and language difference from the USA. Then surely by your logic, the Falklanders have that same right!
139 geo (#) Mar 16th, 2012 - 11:22 am Report abuse
** 97 ......**111

you talk on vainly...

These Islanders have UK passport means that having UK citizenship.
this show us that these islands are the merely part of UK.

They have a unique chance to make guerilla war against UK to obtain maybe their autonomy or independence,

Also these self determination is subjective concept signs to result nothing and not the problem of Argentina.Just inside working of UK !
becouse Argentina claims on these islands not their people....!!
140 DJ56 (#) Mar 16th, 2012 - 11:35 am Report abuse
The argentinian position on self determination, seems to be as follows:

1. “We support the right of self determination when it does not affect us”

2. “We oppose the right of self determination when it affects us”

3. “It does not suit us to support the right of self determination of the islanders because the islands are argentinian territory”

4. “The islands are an integral part of argentinian territory because our constitution says so”

this could be summarised as “we are right and our position cannot be challenged as normal rules dont apply to us”

I call that arrogant hypocracy! Or is it just a symptom that Mrs K's bi-polar disorder is contagious?
141 geo (#) Mar 16th, 2012 - 11:49 am Report abuse
** 140

determine their self rights...

what do they waiting on ?
142 DJ56 (#) Mar 16th, 2012 - 12:10 pm Report abuse

What do you mean?
143 geo (#) Mar 16th, 2012 - 12:18 pm Report abuse
** 142

I mean that ....

I don't gues
the Russians who stand by at near below bases Bellinghousen,Collins Harbour,King George....will give permission any solution at these islands' region ..I am sure that they track all kinds of UK/Argentina actions there.........
144 DJ56 (#) Mar 16th, 2012 - 12:30 pm Report abuse

Quizas seria mejor si escribes en castellano, porque en ingles lo que escribes no hace sentido.
145 GreekYoghurt (#) Mar 16th, 2012 - 12:32 pm Report abuse
@140 Seems you summed it up well. It's a complicated net of if-then clauses, all of which come out in the Marmierdan's favour.
146 MurkyThink (#) Mar 16th, 2012 - 02:30 pm Report abuse
@ 143 Geo

Could this Mercopress website in air from these Russian bases ?
It has very strangeful article series also has no address.

Here,noone is from Britain,their English languages not bad but their sentences not carry the English spirit.

Don't comb your eyebrows please !
147 DJ56 (#) Mar 16th, 2012 - 02:38 pm Report abuse
Ah! So thats why Geo did not respond to my spanish comment - russky no spika de spanish.
148 briton (#) Mar 16th, 2012 - 03:14 pm Report abuse
These Islanders have UK passport means that having UK citizenship.
this show us that these islands are the merely part of UK.

says geo,
then what are we all arguing about then,
they are british are they not,
149 MurkyThink (#) Mar 16th, 2012 - 04:01 pm Report abuse
( 148)

You say :

They are British are they not.....

I say :

I am sailing...I am sailing
Home again...cross the sea
I am sailing...stormy waters
To be near be free

Sailing has come to represent the isolation of modern day transcience.
150 Brit Bob (#) Mar 16th, 2012 - 04:18 pm Report abuse
Yes. Self determination. The right to choose, not to have something alien imposed on you. Quite right.

How would you like to be invaded and have your way of life annihilated by an alien horde?
151 geo (#) Mar 16th, 2012 - 04:20 pm Report abuse
** 146 Murky

It is possible !.......Why not .!

I am not dumbbell !!
152 Argie (#) Mar 16th, 2012 - 04:31 pm Report abuse
I like this blog. It is full of 'Ole English expletives' I haven't seen (or heard) for ages.

Well done, pals! There's nothing like keeping pure, traditional Queen's English (1)

(1) May I recall that, according to her biographers, it was Queen Victoria who rejected to be educated in German when she was 10 y.o. because she knew she was going to be the next monarch, and thus became the first one to speak the language of her people (instead of Latin or, more recently, German). She had a few language problems with Prince Albert in their first years, but love cures all!
153 DJ56 (#) Mar 16th, 2012 - 05:01 pm Report abuse
“alien horde”?
From now on I shall refer to Argentina as “the hegemonizing swarm”.
154 reality check (#) Mar 16th, 2012 - 05:06 pm Report abuse
”The invasion was meant (stupidly) to force negotiation of the hand over of the islands.” Bull. What were your troops shooting at our marines with? paint balls! it was possesssion by force of arms and nothing to do with negotiation at all. Do not try and say it was anything else. You did it because you thought we would not, or more likely, could not fight back and that is the truth. It appears you at least learned from that mistake, hence all this recent rhetoric. They were bully tactics then and they are bully tactics now, it just shows how little you know about our national character. If you knew anything about us as a people, you would know that we do not take kindly to bullies.
155 briton (#) Mar 16th, 2012 - 10:14 pm Report abuse
Lovely song,
A shame then the ARK is not around to finish the lyrics.

But they do say,
Absents makes the heart grow fonder,
And if you row slowly, it will take longer .lol.
156 Filippo (#) Mar 17th, 2012 - 01:57 am Report abuse
There is no government in Malvinas, only colonial pirates who have great big hand of Britain in their backsides.

They must be removed from these islands, which belong to Argentina even before Argentina exist, it was taken from them. This and also by grace of God and Papal Bull of 1496!

In 1982 we have a much more macho government than today, we had a man in charge and no ordinary man, he was a General, from Italy, same country my grandparents came from, fleeing from British and American Imperialists after WW2 (it would take several generations and Berlusconi to put right what they did to Italy).

General Galtieri did not take no for an answer, he sent a great military force with special forces under command of our counter terrorist officers like Captain Alfredo Astiz, who is now in prison and should be freed!

These were the men who removed 50,000 left wing terrorists from our streets and delivered them into the Atlantic. We are proud that they had the guts to do what was necessary.

But today I listen to the BBC and it seems there are more left wing in our nation. I am in The Bahamas at the moment working in hotel so out of touch with my country. It seems all the strong people leave and only weak left remain.

But still there are veterans prepared to attack the police for medals for Malvinas War as they protected Patagonia from a British invasion, they deserve these medals, Police should not keep them from them.

Pirates and Anglos i hate all of you. Even here in the Bahama, have to put up with your Royal family, Prince Harry and the descendants of your Caribbean pirates some of which now Mullatos but others prefer stay white. I myself do not like. Or the children of British colonial pirates!

157 Pugol-H (#) Mar 17th, 2012 - 02:27 am Report abuse
@ 156 Filippo

“Papal Bull of 1496!”:-
This is of no consequence to Protestant England.

Try it, and we will send you straight to Hell, we are home.
158 Cero (#) Mar 17th, 2012 - 04:49 am Report abuse
you are in argentina. you like it or not. this is not your home
159 zethe (#) Mar 17th, 2012 - 08:17 am Report abuse
152 Argie: I don't get your point? Our country's history's pre-dates English as a language. We was once a roman colony and latin was our language. You can see it's influence in english today.
160 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 17th, 2012 - 08:46 am Report abuse

It was 1399 and the coronation of Henry IV who broke with tradition and held the coronation only in English.

Up to this point England was pretty unstable because the ruling class were basically French, they spoke French and administered in Latin. Everybody hated them and peasant revolts were commonplace.

So anyway, your thinking is about 400+ years late and your language reference is wrong too. It is still nice to see you have an interest though.
161 Steve-32-uk (#) Mar 17th, 2012 - 09:59 am Report abuse
Good article...
162 GALlamosa (#) Mar 17th, 2012 - 12:00 pm Report abuse
#148 To help your understanding of UK OT's. The Falklands is similar to Bermuda, Cayman, Anguilla, Monseratt and a number of other territories. The citizens are British, but they are not part of the UK. Laws in the OT's are not made by the UK Parliament, but by the territories legislatures. Other European countries with similar arrangements are Denmark (Greenland), France (eg French Polynesis, New Caledonia, Mayotte) and Netherlands (Dutch Antilles). The Constitutional arrangements are not all the same and vary by degree, but the point is you can be a Dutch, French or British citizen without your country being part of the administering territory. The French in fact do it both ways (French Guiana and Guadeloupe are part of metropolitan France).

So the territories are not basically just part of the UK. And that underlies and strengthens the right to self determination.
163 Legionario (#) Mar 17th, 2012 - 04:29 pm Report abuse
The shame of Diego Garcia

By Andy Worthington

Andy Worthington is a British historian and author of “The Guantánamo Files: The Stories of the 774 Detainees in America's Illegal Prison”
164 The Falklands are British (#) Mar 17th, 2012 - 04:32 pm Report abuse

Not a bad article at all. A few exaggerations here and there but overall a pretty accurate piece of journalism. Thanks :)
165 Philippe (#) Mar 17th, 2012 - 04:48 pm Report abuse
Mr. Sensenbrenner you make a lot of sense!

166 Pugol-H (#) Mar 18th, 2012 - 02:26 am Report abuse
@158 Cero

You are an implanted population of Conquistadors in what today you call Argentina.

When the British first arrived in the S Atlantic/ Antarctic they were uninhabited, unexplored and unclaimed regions.

The British had their first settlement in the S Atlantic when Argentina was still the Governorate of the River Plate, part of the Vice Royalty of Peru.

Extending maybe a 100 miles south from BA.

Unlike Atahualpa , the British have more than just bows and arrows with which to defend their territory.

And the S Atlantic it is British territory, be in no doubt.
167 Clyde15 (#) Mar 18th, 2012 - 06:39 pm Report abuse
Sorry to appear pedantic but “Latin ” was not the language of the British population in Roman times. There were several languages on the go then. The bulk of the population spoke Brythonic - a form of P-Celtic. The Picts in N. Scotland probably spoke another version of P-Celtic, but nobody knows as there is no record of any written language. Latin would have gained favour as it was used by the Church and the ruling classes. When the Romans left, the Angles, Saxons and Jutes invaded and as conquerors over large amounts of what is now England, their Germanic language started to prevail. By this time, the old Brythonic language had been pushed into the west of the country and lowland Scotland. Then we had the Scotii invading from Ireland bringing gaelic, the Vikings bringing Norn, the Danes and finally the Normans who brought Norman French. The Norman dynasty finally gave up their dialect and adopted Anglo-Saxon which eventually evolved into current English.
The success of the language is because it is perfectly happy to borrow vocabulary from any other language whereas French has to keep its language “pure” by manufacturing words.
After this light relief, you may all continue with your cogent comments
168 DanyBerger (#) Mar 18th, 2012 - 08:36 pm Report abuse

“Sorry to appear pedantic but “Latin ” was not the language of the British population in Roman times”

Ha ha you don’t sound pedantic just ignorant that’s all, the language in the islands was Latin close to 500 years of occupation left a good trace of that.

“what is now England, their Germanic language started to prevail”

Ha ha ha take a dictionary and you would find that 70% of your vocabulary is from old Latin/French (a Latin Language).
And the rest as Kebads, curry, etc from Asia.
169 Clyde15 (#) Mar 18th, 2012 - 09:18 pm Report abuse
Where do you get your crap from? Let me see, someone who has studied linguistics should bow to your ignorance. I don't think so.
If you could write grammatically, I might give some credence to your postulations.
By the way, what is a kebad ? Have you just invented this word?
Read some books on the etymology of the English language before you spout out things of which you have little or no knowledge , but again that's your usual manner in your postings. I wish you a pleasant evening as I have something more interesting to do. Buenos noches.
170 Ragemar (#) Mar 18th, 2012 - 11:11 pm Report abuse
Argies are all talk. Whine, whine, whine. If you are going to do something, just do it. We have a 74 day record to beat.
171 ynsere (#) Mar 19th, 2012 - 12:18 am Report abuse
156 Filippo - You are a very sick man, but in Argentina there are many people with your complaint.
168 Dany Berger - Your figures are out by about 200 years (the age of the Argentine Republic). Why don't you check before stating nonsense?
172 DanyBerger (#) Mar 19th, 2012 - 04:31 am Report abuse

Sorry I mean “kebab” I’m not so familiar with African, Middle East and Asia language. I beg you pardon again. But I’m familiar with European languages and 70% of your vocabulary comes from Latin/French.

Arrivederlo signore
173 rebeldenacion (#) Mar 19th, 2012 - 11:21 am Report abuse
Cristina Fernández de Kirchner the current disaster president of Argentina
and the other Argentina crooks are her vice-president, Amado Boudou, he is actually an owner of the company that prints money for the government in Argentina, a major conflict of interest, but he denies it, he owns the company in the names of other friends and associates. He is being investigated and surely will end up in jail where he belongs. Cristinas 2 VERY UGLY children, Maximo and Florencia Kirchner, are also very corrupt. Maximo owns all kinds of hotels and properties adn Florencia is a film student in New York and lives in a luxury Park Avenue apartment and is known for major cocaine use. Some of us who know her in New York remember how she always used to tell us how her parents have a bank account drawn on the Nation of Argentina and for her family money is no object. These 2 corrupt children of Cristina Kirchner are self proclaimed “militants”, they belong to 2 internal terrorist groups which Cristina Kirchner finances, “La Cámpora” and “Quebracho”. “La Cámpora” goes around to the poor shantytowns around the cities in Argentina and gives the poor people a bag of groceries, a sausage sandwich called “choripan” and $20 pesos to buy their votes. These people have no choice but to accept this as they are extremely poor and have no other hope. “Quebracho” is a terrorist group which Cristina Kirchner pays to protect her, they disguise their faces and go around shaking down businesses to get money and give back to the president. They are also responsible for drug dealing, robberies and murders.
174 toooldtodieyoung (#) Mar 19th, 2012 - 01:21 pm Report abuse
156 Filippo

Please, please think before you post! you seriously idolise murderers, despots and criminals?

“They must be removed from these islands, which belong to Argentina even before Argentina exist”

If the British settled there “before Argentina exist” then how can they belong to Argentina?

Come on, please think will you? You are better than that!! Right now, you are coming across as a lunatic.
175 Cero (#) Mar 20th, 2012 - 12:58 am Report abuse
166 Pugol-H
you're always speaking nonsense, with this memorized speech. S Athlantic is a territory stolen by uk, that's whay they “own it”, like ownes 16 other stolen territories. ask you to be honest and use logic is hopeless.
176 Pugol-H (#) Mar 20th, 2012 - 07:08 pm Report abuse
@ 175 Cero

Check your history and you will find the Brits in the S Atlantic long before your country ever existed, from where we have watched you conquer then colonise Patagiona and TDF.

What was stolen was the land you now call Argentina, this is undisputed, it is in your own history books (Conquest of the Desert).

However your conquests end at the shores of the S Atlantic, like I said the British are a lot better equipped to fight Conquistadors than the Incas or Selknap were.

You cannot pretend away the British history of the S Atlantic, any more than you can pretend away the British presence there now.
177 Clyde15 (#) Mar 21st, 2012 - 12:15 am Report abuse
Hello Dany
I apologize somewhat for my rant - I was feeling rather pissed off about other matters nothing to do with any of the postings.
Anyway, my initial point was that the inhabitants of the British Isles never spoke Latin during the Roman occupation - some people trading with the Romans probably did but not as their native tongue which would have been a form of the current Welsh language. The tribes in the N. of the islands probably had very little contact with them apart from visiting Hadrians wall to trade. When the Anglo Saxons invaded and took over large areas of Britain their language predominated until the Norman invasion. The Church and Law used Latin/Norman French but Anglo Saxon was used by the bulk of the population and formed the bedrock of what became the English language.
Most of the basic vocabulary in English can be traced back to Anglo Saxon and Norse with old British and Gaelic added to this. Latin was used as a universal language as the Church was ruled from Rome until the reformation. The law also used Latin. Yes. the English language borrowed words from all over - most of the words for sailing have a Dutch influence, French was also widely used, especially in Scotland. The rise of exploration brought Portuguese and Spanish into English. When the Sciences started to flourish, Latin was used as a universal means of describing new species of plants and animals. New words had to found to name new inventions . Greek and Latin were used for this.
As the Arab cultures were advanced in Mathematics, we borrowed words from them such as Algebra.
So, over the centuries, the English language has developed the largest vocabulary of any language but it belongs in the Germanic group because of its grammar and syntax and not in the Romance group of languages.
To other posters, I am sorry to have deviated from the subject of the discussion is. As far as I can make out it is “The Falklands are ours” or“The Malvinas are ours” - continue.
178 Cero (#) Mar 21st, 2012 - 03:56 am Report abuse
I did not mention dates. is true that the British took over the territory a long time ago, which does not make it right. you've stay in the history, defending the settlements. what you defend is a crime. i don't deny that they are much better equipped to fight. so? do you think that territories must belong to the countries who have a better equipment to fight? conquest, colonization, usurpaton, fighting force, you are still talking nonsense
179 DanyBerger (#) Mar 21st, 2012 - 05:52 am Report abuse

Clyde don’t worry,

You should read the book “The Origins of the British” by Professor Dr. Stephen Oppenheimer from University of Oxford. Who has made a rigorous study base on ADN (genetic pool. So all history based on Gildas (the sapiens) becomes obsolete. Just ferry tales.

“Origins of the British

In his 2006 book The Origins of the British, revised in 2007, Oppenheimer argued that neither Anglo-Saxons nor Celts had much impact on the genetics of the inhabitants of the British Isles, and that British ancestry mainly traces back to the Palaeolithic Iberian people, now represented best by Basques”

Also there are interesting documents from Oxford Uni that describes the Briton-Romano era that coincided with Romans detailed docs.

180 Pugol-H (#) Mar 21st, 2012 - 07:27 pm Report abuse
@178 Zero

The British discovered the territory and took possession of it long before Argentina ever existed, much less tried to claim any British territory.

For the British to defend settlements in territories which are, and always have been British, is our right.

Argentina trying to usurp the territories, steal the resources and colonise the settlements is the crime here.

At some point you will wake up and find “Las Malvinas” was all just a bad dream.

Meanwhile back in the real world Argentina goes to rat shit.

@179 DanyBerger

I will see if I can find that book, completely contradicts most opinions.

If you can find it the BBC did a program “The Face of Britain” about the genetic map of Britain.
181 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 21st, 2012 - 10:03 pm Report abuse
179 DanyBerger (#)

This is the first time I have read a post by your good self that I can agree with. I am suprised and delighted that you have read that book and indeed drew the same conclusions that I did.

Personally it makes me proud that there is a fair to good chance that, if I had my own DNS sequenced and analused I would find that my ancestors have been here for many thousands of years.

Only point I might make though is that the Iberians were the progenitors of the Celts in Britain and Ireland who followed the coast as the ice retreated, even before the English Channel filled up with melt water.

Personally I don't know how anybody could fail to be proud about this. The English are as 'Celtic' or if you prefer 'pre-Celtic' as the Scots, the Irish, the Welsh and the Cornish. I understand though that some people don't see it like this, most English seem to preferr the idea that they are descended from much later Anglo-Saxon invaders.

Look out for another book by Byan Sykes called Blood of the Isles. It pretty much confirms Stephen Oppenheimer's conclusion. Interestingly, The Viking and the Saxon DNA markers are lumped together because they are too similar to tell apart and neither made much impact on the much more anctient Iberian DNA.
182 Pugol-H (#) Mar 21st, 2012 - 11:37 pm Report abuse
@181 Furry-Fat-Feck

Unless of course the later invaders also carried the same genetic markers.

Normans are also indistinguishable from Anglo Saxons and Danish Vikings, as opposed to Norsk Vikings.

As everyone from outside Africa (by decent) is related somewhere, the information is in the later differences, not the underlying similarities.

Also don’t forget that the archaeological evidence does show settlements/technologies/peoples disappear in a layer of ash, arrowheads and bone fragments. We no what happen, and thanks to carbon dating we know when.

Iberians, Celts and Anglo Saxons are all related, but from many tens of thousands of years ago.

The events you are talking about are of the last few thousand years.
183 Cero (#) Mar 22nd, 2012 - 12:44 am Report abuse
Puhol, please, look at the map and stop talking nonsenses.
brits are the pirates in history. Enough speaking boludeces for you.
184 Philippe (#) Mar 22nd, 2012 - 10:24 am Report abuse
Honorable Sir:
Please tell your Government that it needs to adopt a clear no-nonsense pr0-Falklands policy. A so-called 'neutral policy' is no policy at all- especially among friends and allies!

185 Pugol-H (#) Mar 22nd, 2012 - 06:44 pm Report abuse
@183 Cero

Brits were the first people to map the S Atlantic, we know what is there and where it is.

A Conquistador calling us Pirates!! Stop breaking my pelotas.

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